EPTI just find his 2 page filter, 3 days into the game quite scummy. He only resurfaces when he needs to
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darthfoley
United States8001 Posts
I just find his 2 page filter, 3 days into the game quite scummy. He only resurfaces when he needs to | ||
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Shapelog
United States5184 Posts
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Shapelog
United States5184 Posts
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darthfoley
United States8001 Posts
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_MexicanAlien
South Africa193 Posts
If Tumblewood is scum, I think nooniansoong is the most logical scummate. If scott31337 is scum, I think nooniansong is a possible scummate. I think nooniansoong is a pretty good lynch candidate. | ||
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_MexicanAlien
South Africa193 Posts
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nooniansoong
1538 Posts
On February 03 2016 03:00 _MexicanAlien wrote: ## vote: nooniansoong yes... yess.. i already can taste shape's signature. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8001 Posts
On February 03 2016 02:58 _MexicanAlien wrote: If PepprMintTea is scum, I think her most logical scummate is nooniansoong If Tumblewood is scum, I think nooniansoong is the most logical scummate. If scott31337 is scum, I think nooniansong is a possible scummate. I think nooniansoong is a pretty good lynch candidate. Can you explain why you think these things? Or refer me to past posts of yours | ||
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Shapelog
United States5184 Posts
On February 03 2016 03:04 nooniansoong wrote: yes... yess.. i already can taste shape's signature. You are a pervert licking my Signature like that. | ||
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LoneMeow
Finland1396 Posts
scott31337 (1): PepperMintTea Tumblewood (1): Shapelog Trfel (1): nooniansoong nooniansoong (1): _MexicanAlien Not voting (4): Tumblewood, scott31337, darthfoley, Trfel Currently, scott31337 is set to be lynched. Deadline is Wednesday, Feb 03 8:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ). Voting is mandatory! If there are errors, please let us know. | ||
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Shapelog
United States5184 Posts
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nooniansoong
1538 Posts
On February 03 2016 04:09 Shapelog wrote: Tumble is mafia, and should get lynched. PMT/Kush could be the second team mate (prob. kush if i had to choose out of the pair) for real you think im scum... for real. | ||
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nooniansoong
1538 Posts
1 All his cases are based on bullshit Remember pg 16 in his tumble case LOL... Townread on jesus for saying "shitpost;townpost" and being cocky. etc 2 No thought went into his kuragari vote On January 29 2016 03:15 Trfel wrote: I guess I was misinterpreting the situation. ##unvote ##vote Kuragari42 The timeline is he thought kura was town, he thought kura blueclaimed, he realized kura didn't blueclaim, then he voted. Then he gives this reason only after the fact. I thought that Kuragari42 had slipped blue and/or was claiming blue, in which case it's always incorrect to lynch him. When I looked at his filter more carefully, this wasn't the case, so I switched my vote to him because his reads didn't seem very interesting. It didn't feel like Kuragari42 was trying to help further town and help catch scum, but instead just state his reads for the record. In retrospect, this isn't very alignment indicative. So we get a generic, after the fact justification. 3 Ikido read is inconsistent These were his reads n1: + Show Spoiler + On January 29 2016 11:19 Trfel wrote: Okay, I finished my analysis. I think that the mafia team is Tumblewood, Onegu, and Eden1892. I will be attempting to use a new posting style from now on. Tumblewood is mafia because:
AND he was hard defending ikido: + Show Spoiler + On January 28 2016 19:38 Trfel wrote: I'm not townreading him very strongly, but it's a slight read still. Ikidomari has been very open about feeling behind and not skilled enough. To me, this feels towny. In general, when mafia isn't skilled enough, they don't try and just give up. Ikidomari's play hasn't shown this at all. Instead, he feels relaxed and natural. His posts have felt free-flowing, and I don't think that the inconsistencies disrupt the flow of his reads from a town perspective. I realize that this is very subjective. I also feel that he's raised a few decent points that aren't so obvious. This is also subjective, though. In general, I don't like to lynch people because I don't have a good reason to townread them; if I can't show that they are scum, I don't want to lynch them. And I personally don't feel like I can show that Ikidomari is scum right now. On January 28 2016 19:42 Trfel wrote: If you really want me to respond to Eden1892's post, I don't think that reads like "I think that this person is town, but they could be scum because of this" are mafia indicative. This often comes from townies who can't make up their mind, especially in newbie games. Ikidomari also does arrive at conclusions. His reads are more like "I think that this person is this alignment because of this, but I could be wrong because of this, but I think he's more likely this alignment", which feels like a reasonable approach for him to have. To me, it feels more like he's thinking about the game and is just unsure instead of trying to avoid pinning himself to his reads. On January 30 2016 10:36 Trfel wrote: Does anyone else think that Ikidomari's post is towny? I just have a hard time seeing mafia being that baffled, or that uninformed. Or, presuming that nooniansoong is town, that skeptical (since they did actually roleblock nooniansoong). And that doesn't feel like the reaction of mafia who just caught the doctor who outed for no gain. But suddenly, when the lynch is between himself, jesus, and ikido, Ikido becomes his most confident read: + Show Spoiler + On January 31 2016 13:15 Trfel wrote: Ikidomari is mafia because of his large amount of apologies early on in the game. His activity also fits mafia motivation, instead of displaying a desire to solve the game. There are also several inconsistencies in his play. One example of this is that he repeatedly says that he is a good lynch because he is a weak player.But, the third statement doesn't match. Town doesn't say "lynch me, you should lynch me, but here's some defense". Town will, in rare circumstances, ask to be lynched and/or vote for themselves, but there is always some sort of possible town motivation behind it (generally proving that their scumreads are genuine). Here, there is none of this. He's asking to be lynched and asking to survive at the same time, which makes him mafia. One other thing to look at is how Ikidomari has been playing after the Day 1 lynch. He posted analysis, fine. He didn't have time before the lynch, so he didn't push anything or stay up to date, fine. He comes back and posts analysis, fine. Here's what else happens. Eden, arguably the person most vocally scumreading him, townreads him. Then he leaves, and comes back later with this weird post, which caused Shapelog and I to say that it was a bit towny. Then, once we said that, he just vanished. No push, no reads, no updates, just gone. And he hasn't returned since. This is extremely mafia motivated, because he's playing to survive, instead of push mafia. Ikidomari is my most confident scumread, I'm nearly positive that he is mafia. | ||
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scott31337
United States2979 Posts
On February 03 2016 04:23 nooniansoong wrote: TRFEL IS SCUM 1 All his cases are based on bullshit Remember pg 16 in his tumble case LOL... Townread on jesus for saying "shitpost;townpost" and being cocky. etc + Show Spoiler [rest of Noon's case] + 2 No thought went into his kuragari vote On January 29 2016 03:15 Trfel wrote: I guess I was misinterpreting the situation. ##unvote ##vote Kuragari42 The timeline is he thought kura was town, he thought kura blueclaimed, he realized kura didn't blueclaim, then he voted. Then he gives this reason only after the fact. I thought that Kuragari42 had slipped blue and/or was claiming blue, in which case it's always incorrect to lynch him. When I looked at his filter more carefully, this wasn't the case, so I switched my vote to him because his reads didn't seem very interesting. It didn't feel like Kuragari42 was trying to help further town and help catch scum, but instead just state his reads for the record. In retrospect, this isn't very alignment indicative. So we get a generic, after the fact justification. 3 Ikido read is inconsistent These were his reads n1: + Show Spoiler + On January 29 2016 11:19 Trfel wrote: Okay, I finished my analysis. I think that the mafia team is Tumblewood, Onegu, and Eden1892. I will be attempting to use a new posting style from now on. Tumblewood is mafia because:
AND he was hard defending ikido: + Show Spoiler + On January 28 2016 19:38 Trfel wrote: I'm not townreading him very strongly, but it's a slight read still. Ikidomari has been very open about feeling behind and not skilled enough. To me, this feels towny. In general, when mafia isn't skilled enough, they don't try and just give up. Ikidomari's play hasn't shown this at all. Instead, he feels relaxed and natural. His posts have felt free-flowing, and I don't think that the inconsistencies disrupt the flow of his reads from a town perspective. I realize that this is very subjective. I also feel that he's raised a few decent points that aren't so obvious. This is also subjective, though. In general, I don't like to lynch people because I don't have a good reason to townread them; if I can't show that they are scum, I don't want to lynch them. And I personally don't feel like I can show that Ikidomari is scum right now. On January 28 2016 19:42 Trfel wrote: If you really want me to respond to Eden1892's post, I don't think that reads like "I think that this person is town, but they could be scum because of this" are mafia indicative. This often comes from townies who can't make up their mind, especially in newbie games. Ikidomari also does arrive at conclusions. His reads are more like "I think that this person is this alignment because of this, but I could be wrong because of this, but I think he's more likely this alignment", which feels like a reasonable approach for him to have. To me, it feels more like he's thinking about the game and is just unsure instead of trying to avoid pinning himself to his reads. On January 30 2016 10:36 Trfel wrote: Does anyone else think that Ikidomari's post is towny? I just have a hard time seeing mafia being that baffled, or that uninformed. Or, presuming that nooniansoong is town, that skeptical (since they did actually roleblock nooniansoong). And that doesn't feel like the reaction of mafia who just caught the doctor who outed for no gain. But suddenly, when the lynch is between himself, jesus, and ikido, Ikido becomes his most confident read: + Show Spoiler + On January 31 2016 13:15 Trfel wrote: Ikidomari is mafia because of his large amount of apologies early on in the game. His activity also fits mafia motivation, instead of displaying a desire to solve the game. There are also several inconsistencies in his play. One example of this is that he repeatedly says that he is a good lynch because he is a weak player.But, the third statement doesn't match. Town doesn't say "lynch me, you should lynch me, but here's some defense". Town will, in rare circumstances, ask to be lynched and/or vote for themselves, but there is always some sort of possible town motivation behind it (generally proving that their scumreads are genuine). Here, there is none of this. He's asking to be lynched and asking to survive at the same time, which makes him mafia. One other thing to look at is how Ikidomari has been playing after the Day 1 lynch. He posted analysis, fine. He didn't have time before the lynch, so he didn't push anything or stay up to date, fine. He comes back and posts analysis, fine. Here's what else happens. Eden, arguably the person most vocally scumreading him, townreads him. Then he leaves, and comes back later with this weird post, which caused Shapelog and I to say that it was a bit towny. Then, once we said that, he just vanished. No push, no reads, no updates, just gone. And he hasn't returned since. This is extremely mafia motivated, because he's playing to survive, instead of push mafia. Ikidomari is my most confident scumread, I'm nearly positive that he is mafia. I've re-read page 16 and don't see any case, can you link me to what you are referring to? I saw this on Page 31 by Trfel - On January 28 2016 09:31 Trfel wrote: Tumblewood Tumblewood's first post here shows that he is scumreading Shapelog, and he says that this is because Shapelog made two posts where he said that he isn't scum. Tumblewood's argument is that because a townie wouldn't do this, then Shapelog is mafia. He also said that he had a scum lean of darthfoley because of two posts where darthfoley says that he is town, and adds that darthfoley has weird wording in a sentence (the explanation of the darthfoley read is here, where he says that this is the explanation for the scum lean he mentioned previously). Why is Shapelog a stronger scumread than darthfoley? He didn't mention anything else about their play other than these comments, which is weird. Also note that Shapelog was the top suspect at this time. Tumbleweed returned later and posted this post with new reads. He says that he's suspicious of Onegu, Shapelog, and Trfel. He also ends up with a null read on darthfoley, saying that he hasn't done anything to give him a read. This is really strange, because he described a scum lean on darthfoley previously, for the only reasoning that he's shared about Shapelog, who is still his scum read. There are lots of things I don't like about this post, I won't go into all of them, but it really gives the impression of trying to fit in. He later says that darthfoley's play has been solid lately, which doesn't match with his earlier statement that darthfoley hadn't done much to be read on. In addition to these read issues, Tumbleweed feels like he's responding to questions and thread sentiment, instead of actually wanting to solve the game. Tumblewood explained his read on Shapelog at my request, you can see this explanation here. Here, he describes why he's continuing to scumread Shapelog. However, you can see that all of the posts he quoted are between his first and second longer posts. Note that in the first post, he discounted Shapelog's "strange" play as non alignment indicative, and in the second, he said that Shapelog was scummy because of his extremely scummy play early on (pre page 16). However, the posts that Tumblewood mentions were all after page 16. This explanation isn't possible. Logically, Tumblewood cannot be scum. It's possible that he's town and messed up somehow, but given his filter as a whole, I think that he is scum. Because I am not seeing it. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8001 Posts
On February 03 2016 04:23 nooniansoong wrote: TRFEL IS SCUM 1 All his cases are based on bullshit Remember pg 16 in his tumble case LOL... Townread on jesus for saying "shitpost;townpost" and being cocky. etc 2 No thought went into his kuragari vote The timeline is he thought kura was town, he thought kura blueclaimed, he realized kura didn't blueclaim, then he voted. Then he gives this reason only after the fact. So we get a generic, after the fact justification. 3 Ikido read is inconsistent These were his reads n1: + Show Spoiler + On January 29 2016 11:19 Trfel wrote: Okay, I finished my analysis. I think that the mafia team is Tumblewood, Onegu, and Eden1892. I will be attempting to use a new posting style from now on. Tumblewood is mafia because:
AND he was hard defending ikido: + Show Spoiler + On January 28 2016 19:38 Trfel wrote: I'm not townreading him very strongly, but it's a slight read still. Ikidomari has been very open about feeling behind and not skilled enough. To me, this feels towny. In general, when mafia isn't skilled enough, they don't try and just give up. Ikidomari's play hasn't shown this at all. Instead, he feels relaxed and natural. His posts have felt free-flowing, and I don't think that the inconsistencies disrupt the flow of his reads from a town perspective. I realize that this is very subjective. I also feel that he's raised a few decent points that aren't so obvious. This is also subjective, though. In general, I don't like to lynch people because I don't have a good reason to townread them; if I can't show that they are scum, I don't want to lynch them. And I personally don't feel like I can show that Ikidomari is scum right now. On January 28 2016 19:42 Trfel wrote: If you really want me to respond to Eden1892's post, I don't think that reads like "I think that this person is town, but they could be scum because of this" are mafia indicative. This often comes from townies who can't make up their mind, especially in newbie games. Ikidomari also does arrive at conclusions. His reads are more like "I think that this person is this alignment because of this, but I could be wrong because of this, but I think he's more likely this alignment", which feels like a reasonable approach for him to have. To me, it feels more like he's thinking about the game and is just unsure instead of trying to avoid pinning himself to his reads. On January 30 2016 10:36 Trfel wrote: Does anyone else think that Ikidomari's post is towny? I just have a hard time seeing mafia being that baffled, or that uninformed. Or, presuming that nooniansoong is town, that skeptical (since they did actually roleblock nooniansoong). And that doesn't feel like the reaction of mafia who just caught the doctor who outed for no gain. But suddenly, when the lynch is between himself, jesus, and ikido, Ikido becomes his most confident read: + Show Spoiler + On January 31 2016 13:15 Trfel wrote: Ikidomari is mafia because of his large amount of apologies early on in the game. His activity also fits mafia motivation, instead of displaying a desire to solve the game. There are also several inconsistencies in his play. One example of this is that he repeatedly says that he is a good lynch because he is a weak player.But, the third statement doesn't match. Town doesn't say "lynch me, you should lynch me, but here's some defense". Town will, in rare circumstances, ask to be lynched and/or vote for themselves, but there is always some sort of possible town motivation behind it (generally proving that their scumreads are genuine). Here, there is none of this. He's asking to be lynched and asking to survive at the same time, which makes him mafia. One other thing to look at is how Ikidomari has been playing after the Day 1 lynch. He posted analysis, fine. He didn't have time before the lynch, so he didn't push anything or stay up to date, fine. He comes back and posts analysis, fine. Here's what else happens. Eden, arguably the person most vocally scumreading him, townreads him. Then he leaves, and comes back later with this weird post, which caused Shapelog and I to say that it was a bit towny. Then, once we said that, he just vanished. No push, no reads, no updates, just gone. And he hasn't returned since. This is extremely mafia motivated, because he's playing to survive, instead of push mafia. Ikidomari is my most confident scumread, I'm nearly positive that he is mafia. Pretty sure Tumblewood is mafia. After that, I am willing to look at Trfel again. | ||
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nooniansoong
1538 Posts
On February 03 2016 04:33 scott31337 wrote: I've re-read page 16 and don't see any case, can you link me to what you are referring to? I saw this on Page 31 by Trfel - Because I am not seeing it. he made a post against tumblewood like this -tumblewood said shape was scummy for stuff before page 16 -then tumblewood used quotes after page 16 in his argument for why shape was scummy And the case is bs because tumble never said shape wasn't also scummy for stuff after page 16. | ||
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nooniansoong
1538 Posts
I will switch from trfel to scott if it means saving tumble. So if y'all want to lynch scott, id be totally down for consolidating on that. I'd rather kill trfel but it's up to y'all. | ||
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nooniansoong
1538 Posts
##unvote ##vote scott if you guys want to move to trfel let me know. | ||
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nooniansoong
1538 Posts
On February 03 2016 04:40 darthfoley wrote: Pretty sure Tumblewood is mafia. After that, I am willing to look at Trfel again. Is the case on tumble really that good? Tumble's case on shapelog is no worse than shapelog's case on tumble. You suffer from confirmation bias. Try to be objective and ask yourself, is tumble really scummier than jesus/scott? | ||
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LoneMeow
Finland1396 Posts
scott31337 (2): PepperMintTea, nooniansoong Tumblewood (1): Shapelog nooniansoong (1): _MexicanAlien Trfel (0): Not voting (4): Tumblewood, scott31337, darthfoley, Trfel Currently, scott31337 is set to be lynched. Deadline is Wednesday, Feb 03 8:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ). Voting is mandatory! If there are errors, please let us know. | ||
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I was looking at your filter, and Ikidomari's filter, no clue why I said JesusIncarnate.
