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On February 03 2016 18:03 _MexicanAlien wrote:I think nooniansoong is quite weird concerning his play/activity. thoughts on nooniansoong + Show Spoiler +
Early on in the game he refused to give explanations of his townreads time and time again, because he didn't want to ' give them a free defense'. This made a little bit of sense while the game was still young, but it doesn't later because you should want to prove to the rest of town that your townreads are true, so you can go on hunting scum.
With his scumreads, not posting them initially also makes a little bit of sense, but again, as the game goes on, you should be willing to prove/back up your reads. nooniansoong's play seemed very 'I read X, Y, Z as town and A, B, C as scum, but I don't want to tell you why. Because I'm too cool and I'm going to be right.'
It seems his apparent willingness to at least partially share his reasoning (however copied and repetitive it may be) now is the fact that he has been coming under increasing suspicion as the game moves along. So, to try to appear helpful and town, he posts a lot more.
also, nooniansoong seems almost too willing to let the newbs (me, shapelog, ect) direct the rest of town with bad reads and seems to go along with unspoken newb consensus. he seems to promote the suspicions and reads of the newbies as long as they don't conflict with his agenda.
It took me until d2 to figure out the scumteam so that explains my change in behavior.
About promoting the reads of newbies, i did that once with Darth because yes it agreed with my agenda but he also made a good point.
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On February 03 2016 15:13 Tumblewood wrote:
##Vote: Shapelog
If you are town, remind me post game to introduce you into my Tunnel hall of fame.
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On February 03 2016 08:06 darthfoley wrote:Read through all of Tumblewood's filter, and I'm getting cold feet. Don't think i'm lynching him today. Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 15:26 Tumblewood wrote:On January 31 2016 14:50 _MexicanAlien wrote:
I find it suspicious how eden and trfel somehow decide for obscure reasons that lynching each other is not going to work or they just town read. They seem to be supporting each other in spam.
I think Mafia is:
Tfrel
Eden1892
Mafia lean:
Ikidomari
Jesusincarnate
Town lean:
darthfoley
PepperMintTea
Town:
Shape log
Null:
nooniansoong
You forgot someone This is such a simple post, yet I get really strong town vibes from it. Why would mafia remind someone who's agreed upon as town that he didn't read him? I just see a newbie mafia member seeing that post, not seeing their name, fist pumping and moving on with the thread.
To me it is a NAI thing. I can just see anyone doing it.
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On February 03 2016 08:58 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2016 05:56 nooniansoong wrote:On February 03 2016 05:18 scott31337 wrote:
Where's this phat case on me/Jesus that I am mafia? who you want to vote and why? the case so far is: jesus implied eden was town then he said he was up in the air. you scumread tumble for a reason that made no sense. You, because it requires an act of congress to get any information out of you, which is a scummy trait - and a few other things - you have a big filter, but unlike a few of the others, there's not a whole lot of substance. #2 would be Tumblewood - How you hard defend him so much - I kind of liked Trfel's case on him as well - and his hard townread on you with his notes here- + Show Spoiler [Tumblewood's magic townread on K…] +On February 02 2016 14:56 Tumblewood wrote:nooniansoong+ Show Spoiler +Kush's posts have been very concise and to the point. There's very little nuance, which is, as kush says, a town tell. He doesn't care how he looks, and makes clear and solid points. + Show Spoiler +On January 28 2016 03:17 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 03:10 Onegu wrote:
@Kush Its in my filter why he is scum. He is only asking questions and giving little to no follow up on the questions he was asking. Yes, but he's doing it in a conspicuous but delibrate way. Almost like he is using this point the game to gather as much info as possible, and before EoD he will synthesize all that information into reads. If Trfel were scum, he would think to himself "I shouldn't be asking so many questions because that looks scummy." On January 29 2016 01:52 nooniansoong wrote:
scumlist for brags
3. JesusIncarnate
4. Alur
10. Onegu
13. Shapelog
No intelligent mafia makes a scumlist and then just doesn't explain it, especially when not on everyone's townlists. He does not promote a mafia agenda with his posting. + Show Spoiler +On January 29 2016 04:25 nooniansoong wrote:
KURA, PLEASE CLAIM YOUR ROLE. YOU ARE GOING TO GET LYNCHED. Kura was town. If kush were mafia, he would have known that and wanted Kura dead. Kush is making an effort to keep Kura from being mislynched without doing anything for town cred. Mafia would just leave Kura to die. On January 30 2016 08:33 nooniansoong wrote:
jesus will probably get replaced. If Jesus is town, mafia would try to get Jesus mislynched to waste a day. If Jesus is mafia, mafia would try to keep the discussion away from him. He doesn't talk much except in response to something else. [Not sure if this is a town tell or a scum tell] I'm tired of quoting things so no quotes here. I really think you two are the last mafia, with a little tinfoil on Trfel and PepperMintTea. My order right now would be DarthFoley _MexicanAlien Shapelog Trfel PepperMintTea Nooniansong Tumblewood Other peeps - do you think Trfel and PMT bussed yesterday? Do I need to re-read the whole day, or what do you think? From what I have so far, I'm extremely doubtful that Trfel did.
You know i have realized that either lynch today will give us a wealth of information.
I do not think trofl did. PMT if she is scum could of. She did not mention much of Ikido (Said she would lynch d1 and that he did not repay his free pass for d2) Could maybe see a PMT, Tumble, Ikido scum team instead of one experienced player, Tumble, and Ikido.
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damn u shape. I wish i could make you see the light but you're so tunneled that it's not possible.
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SHAPE WHY COULDN'T TRFEL HAVE BUSED?!
The possible lynches that day were trfel, ikido, jesus, right?
2 votes were on each person midday. SO with a trfel, ikido, jesus scumteam, trfel HAS to bus. If he doesn't he looks bad and scum gets lynched anyway.
He knew jesus was getting replaced. A replacement is a great chance for someone scummy to get townread, because they haven't been here all game so they are forgiven for not knowing what they are talking about.
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ah im getting stressed... must remember to think about your sweet sweet sig. it brings me peace.
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On February 03 2016 22:36 nooniansoong wrote:
damn u shape. I wish i could make you see the light but you're so tunneled that it's not possible.
You have shown me the light, just at the wrong tunnel.
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On February 03 2016 22:39 nooniansoong wrote:
SHAPE WHY COULDN'T TRFEL HAVE BUSED?!
The possible lynches that day were trfel, ikido, jesus, right?
2 votes were on each person midday. SO with a trfel, ikido, jesus scumteam, trfel HAS to bus. If he doesn't he looks bad and scum gets lynched anyway.
He knew jesus was getting replaced. A replacement is a great chance for someone scummy to get townread, because they haven't been here all game so they are forgiven for not knowing what they are talking about.
Kush, I am going to laugh if scoot/Trofl flips town.
You already (and everyone else, except scott maybe) knows why i am lynching Tumble over anyone else.
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Maybe i am just tunnelling. But last time i said that, I let a scum got away.
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On February 03 2016 22:40 nooniansoong wrote:
ah im getting stressed... must remember to think about your sweet sweet sig. it brings me peace.
For real, you need a psychologist. Let Dr. Shapelog hear your most sexual desires.
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shape can u list what scumteam you think is most likely?
purely for my own curiosity
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On February 03 2016 23:43 nooniansoong wrote:
shape can u list what scumteam you think is most likely?
purely for my own curiosity To see if i am on it
Find turn down my physiological help so i can't proife you.
Tumble, and either you (you really seem to be hard defending him and trying to push for a another lynch) or PMT (shes a bit sus. right now and has not mention ikido really at all. Did with Tumble.)
A course if Scott flips mafia, or if tumble flips green (which he won't). Then you are prob. right.
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I might just listed you just to piss you off.
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Tbh really a scott lynch or a tumble lynch is good for today. I rather it be tumble since he is mafia, and we won't be in LYLO. but whatever.
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Tumble comes in and plants the Shapelog vote again. Beyond what I have stated already - I'm voting him for now.
##Vote: Tumblewood
I'll get to your questions after I get my morning rounds done.
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Vote count:
Tumblewood (3): Shapelog, Trfel, scott31337
scott31337 (2): PepperMintTea, nooniansoong
nooniansoong (1): _MexicanAlien
Shapelog (1): Tumblewood
Trfel (0): nooniansoong
Not voting (1): darthfoley
Currently, Tumblewood is set to be lynched.
Deadline is Wednesday, Feb 03 8:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ).
Voting is mandatory!
If there are errors, please let us know.
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Damm you Kush.... Now i am fearing that i am being a mafia advocate this game like my last 2 games. And your mafia team is voting with me.
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Srsy, Damm you kush. Now i going into tinfoil mode saying Scott avoid talking about it in his VCA on purpose because they are scum.
Fuck your mind games Kush.
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On February 03 2016 09:48 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2016 08:58 scott31337 wrote:On February 03 2016 05:56 nooniansoong wrote:On February 03 2016 05:18 scott31337 wrote:
Where's this phat case on me/Jesus that I am mafia? who you want to vote and why? the case so far is: jesus implied eden was town then he said he was up in the air. you scumread tumble for a reason that made no sense. You, because it requires an act of congress to get any information out of you, which is a scummy trait - and a few other things - you have a big filter, but unlike a few of the others, there's not a whole lot of substance. #2 would be Tumblewood - How you hard defend him so much - I kind of liked Trfel's case on him as well - and his hard townread on you with his notes here- + Show Spoiler [Tumblewood's magic townread on K…] +On February 02 2016 14:56 Tumblewood wrote:nooniansoong+ Show Spoiler +Kush's posts have been very concise and to the point. There's very little nuance, which is, as kush says, a town tell. He doesn't care how he looks, and makes clear and solid points. + Show Spoiler +On January 28 2016 03:17 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 03:10 Onegu wrote:
@Kush Its in my filter why he is scum. He is only asking questions and giving little to no follow up on the questions he was asking. Yes, but he's doing it in a conspicuous but delibrate way. Almost like he is using this point the game to gather as much info as possible, and before EoD he will synthesize all that information into reads. If Trfel were scum, he would think to himself "I shouldn't be asking so many questions because that looks scummy." On January 29 2016 01:52 nooniansoong wrote:
scumlist for brags
3. JesusIncarnate
4. Alur
10. Onegu
13. Shapelog
No intelligent mafia makes a scumlist and then just doesn't explain it, especially when not on everyone's townlists. He does not promote a mafia agenda with his posting. + Show Spoiler +On January 29 2016 04:25 nooniansoong wrote:
KURA, PLEASE CLAIM YOUR ROLE. YOU ARE GOING TO GET LYNCHED. Kura was town. If kush were mafia, he would have known that and wanted Kura dead. Kush is making an effort to keep Kura from being mislynched without doing anything for town cred. Mafia would just leave Kura to die. On January 30 2016 08:33 nooniansoong wrote:
jesus will probably get replaced. If Jesus is town, mafia would try to get Jesus mislynched to waste a day. If Jesus is mafia, mafia would try to keep the discussion away from him. He doesn't talk much except in response to something else. [Not sure if this is a town tell or a scum tell] I'm tired of quoting things so no quotes here. I really think you two are the last mafia, with a little tinfoil on Trfel and PepperMintTea. My order right now would be DarthFoley _MexicanAlien Shapelog Trfel PepperMintTea Nooniansong Tumblewood Other peeps - do you think Trfel and PMT bussed yesterday? Do I need to re-read the whole day, or what do you think? From what I have so far, I'm extremely doubtful that Trfel did. What do you like about trfel's case on tumble?? I don't see anything to like.
+ Show Spoiler [Trfel's post] +Tumblewood is mafia because his reads have matched the thread sentiment suspicions. Every time. He doesn't show any drive to find mafia or solve the game, just goes with the flow. Then there's his weird read on Shapelog, which I described here. Okay, it's possible that this comes from town, but the emphases of his scumread on Shapelog don't match. Further, the second quote from Tumblewood I quoted here, look at it. He's saying that people are townreading Shapelog too easily, because Shapelog's early play was so scummy. If he really is concerned about this, it would make sense for him to bring up all of these new reasons that he has to scumread Shapelog. But he doesn't. It feels like he doesn't actually care about pushing Shapelog, or about making people scumread Shapelog. So, he was still really suspicious of Shapelog, and has been talking about Shapelog all this time, but votes for JesusIncarnate because "unless I see something that convinces me he's town". Presumably just JesusIncarnate's low activity. This feels like he wanted to fit in, and this isn't how town approaches a lynch. There are some points where Tumblewood seems to be thinking about the game and trying to figure out alignments, but these are few and far between, especially compared to the large amount of evidence that he is mafia. On February 03 2016 15:03 Trfel wrote:My bad, sorry. Show nested quote +On February 03 2016 15:02 Trfel wrote:On February 02 2016 14:55 Tumblewood wrote:If I don't live to see the night, I want to go down a hero. It's time... time for the BIG OL' POSTSohhhh boyDo you ever tunnel so hard that you get to the other side? Because I think I see the light. Shapelog+ Show Spoiler +We're starting way too early. + Show Spoiler +On January 27 2016 06:37 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 06:34 Trfel wrote:On January 27 2016 06:32 Shapelog wrote:On January 27 2016 06:19 Trfel wrote:Shapelog, how does one "slip town"? Genuinely curious. I need to leave soon, unfortunately  But two mafia down gives us 192 hours to find the last mafia, so there shouldn't be any rush  Kush, has a certain thing he does as town (he might do it as mafia thou.) i seen him do it as vt in the last two games i playef with him. i don't want to say it since he could be mafia and it wouldn't be that great of a town tell anymore If I may, how is this at all useful? Its a dumbtell I guess it is the best way to say it. I mean it doesn't auto make him town if he does do it, it just something I see him do as vt. It's like syrup on a sundae, it's a condiment. Also When I Town/mafia read him I will say what it is. This is a weird way to establish a presence. I can't point to this directly as mafia, but there's something... off about it. On January 27 2016 06:41 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 06:39 Onegu wrote:
But serious Shape trying to meta read kush(nooninsong) before he even posts is weird as fuck. I am not trying to read him lol. I am just saying there is something he does and as the day(s) goes on I will look for it, if it is absent, I will comment on it. Unless your scum team kills me, in which case i can just use it later on . I am of the opinion that an out-of-place town slip is a mafia slip in disguise. The second line has no purpose except for that "your scum team". On January 27 2016 07:39 Shapelog wrote:
I am just trying to help solve/point into a direction this game b/4 I have to get off at 6 ish. He had made one post tops trying to do that by then, and it was just stating the obvious. Shapelog is also really eager to explain things away, even if his explanation doesn't quite have the support. + Show Spoiler +On January 27 2016 07:05 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 07:03 Eden1892 wrote:On January 27 2016 06:39 Onegu wrote:
But serious Shape trying to meta read kush(nooninsong) before he even posts is weird as fuck. What exactly is weird about anything Shapelog did? Specifics please. Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 06:01 Shapelog wrote:Kush is scum because he hasn't slip town yet. 2 down  OH I see why everyone is confused. I joked that Kush was scum while saying that. This explanation doesn't make sense to me. Does it make sense to you? On January 27 2016 16:34 Shapelog wrote:
Like sure his above posts are good. But they are 2 posts. And one of them is about set up (which thank you btw Eden for taking the time to explain) I don't think that warrants a strong TR.
Idk you have played with Eden b/4. But to me it sounds like your trying to buddy/pocket him. Trying to buddy/pocket him? Do people even do that? On January 28 2016 10:50 Shapelog wrote:
Who knows maybe Tumble suffers from what i suffer from which is he reads the thread and at the end feels lost.
Nah He tried to explain my actions, and with no evidence, but then he entirely un-committed. On January 30 2016 08:00 Shapelog wrote:
So if he knew/guess/predicted that darth was bread crumbing.......
Would he, as scum, not rb/nk darth? I mean maybe he got talked out of it but idk. it is weird that he saw it as a bread crumb in the first place, but it is even weirder that it turned out true AND darth has been unscaved.
idk tbh what to think about it He didn't even bother to check whether I was right. He made the connection between a comment on breadcrumbing and a blue role, but there's nothing there. There were some things he said and not followed up on... + Show Spoiler +On January 27 2016 06:39 Shapelog wrote:
Btw I will log off around 6 pm in my local time and won't get on till 8 am since I won't have a home Cp. till tomorrow. He didn't log off for any significant time until half a day later. On January 27 2016 17:04 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 17:01 Eden1892 wrote:
Look right now even. He has nothing to say except to call people bad. He's in the thread while real, meaningful reads are being given, and he's pointedly not doing anything constructive. And we're supposed to believe this is tryhard town Onegu? Please. Eh i let you guys duel. It is 3 am. I am done. For shapelog in da future: Catch up Filter Drive: Onegu Deathfy Kush TW - I want to vist that scum case on me again. Low active people. He only followed up on one of those filters. ...until I pointed it out. Only after I noticed did he start following up on his promises, which only happens when someone's concerned about being scumread. His reads are also all over the place. + Show Spoiler +On January 29 2016 01:14 Shapelog wrote:
Actually that scum slip is ridiculously huge if he is scum and gets lynched.
Maybe I am wrong about my Tinfoil Team, Maybe one of Eden/Darth isn't scum and instead Kura is scum. Goes from Eden/Darth to Kura On January 29 2016 02:26 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 02:19 darthfoley wrote:On January 29 2016 02:12 Shapelog wrote:Because I feel for him. Granted I was lost in my first forum mafia game as scum, but I can definitely see why a first time town wouldn't be too sure of any of this reads, and wouldn't want to offend/piss other town off. Basically, read what Trfel posted because it sums up some of my current feelings towards Ikido + Show Spoiler +I'm not townreading him very strongly, but it's a slight read still.
Ikidomari has been very open about feeling behind and not skilled enough. To me, this feels towny. In general, when mafia isn't skilled enough, they don't try and just give up. Ikidomari's play hasn't shown this at all. Instead, he feels relaxed and natural.
His posts have felt free-flowing, and I don't think that the inconsistencies disrupt the flow of his reads from a town perspective. I realize that this is very subjective.
I also feel that he's raised a few decent points that aren't so obvious. This is also subjective, though. In general, I don't like to lynch people because I don't have a good reason to townread them; if I can't show that they are scum, I don't want to lynch them. And I personally don't feel like I can show that Ikidomari is scum right now. I think you can interpret him either way; if for example, it is Ikidomari vs. one of my TRs near EoD, I would likely vote for Ikido, but he isn't one of my primary suspects currently Hmmm, ok i can understand where you are coming from. In my opinion he has given up a bit with his last few posts, which goes against trofl town read. Then again I would expect a mafia, regardless of any type of experience level, to be aware what they are being town/scum read for. Idk you might of just bought Ikido a extra day. Let me dwindle on it. On Ikido, goes from scum to town to scum again to "let me consider it". Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 03:46 Shapelog wrote:
God dammit I am so Torn right now. If only I could vote two people... I am half tempting to try to find a loophole to where i can vote both my top scum reads for todays lynch. But considering how i like the Shining (CoHost) and Prince Lonemeow (host) I will not.
I think I going to vote with my gut and ##Vote: Ikidomari Though IMO both him and Kuga are up for it. Also Jesus considering the points made against him. Gave himself backdoors to vote any of three different people, now including Jesus but only after others had read him significantly. He voted Ikidomari then Kuragari, said (and I quote) "Ikido is mafia", called me "opportunistic scum", and votes Jesus out of the blue (citing kush's post as reasoning)... he had the single most votes of anybody that day, and he's still going with PMT/Trfel/me/Jesus as his scum reads (Eden, too, before she was killed). It really, really, really feels like Tumblewood is playing to survive instead of trying to find mafia. Or trying to push stuff. Town doesn't talk about going down a hero and then nonchalantly discuss a scum read. Town yells at people to get them to stop lynching them, town insists that everyone lynches their target after they die, town doesn't just say "I'm going to be a hero by calling out the scum team so you can all look even stupider for lynching me later". Tumblewood's lack of decisions and focus on the lynches continues to be suspicious. The off-wagon vote on Day 2 is very suspicious, and is a huge indicator of this point. Nooniansoong will say that this isn't alignment indicative, and technically he is right that it does not prove that Tumblewood is mafia, however off-wagon votes are fairly more often mafia than the standard town/mafia ratio, and it's an example of a huge trend throughout Tumblewood's filter. There is one thing that gives me pause, though, I'll see how it develops as Tumblewood continues to read filters. ##vote TumblewoodI'll try to check in tomorrow as much as I can. I have class for most of the day, though. Bleh. Tumblewood's reads feel fabricated and don't flow, he's not pushing anything and doesn't feel invested about his reads. It feels like he is posting his reads for the purpose of posting his reads instead of getting people to follow them. He's not interested about the lynches and therefore seemingly not interested in lynching mafia. I'm pretty sure that Tumblewood is mafia. Good night.
TW still has a weird read on Shapelog, he comes in with the Ninja vote and does not even try to sway the town on why he wants to vote Shapelog. He just drops the vote again and leaves. What would you think?
If TW flips town (which I'm doubtful on, but possible) , I will start fresh on you-Kush and Trfel, fair enough?
I still need to re-read PMT, I'll do that now.
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