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scott31337
United States2979 Posts
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nooniansoong
1538 Posts
On February 03 2016 05:18 scott31337 wrote: Where's this phat case on me/Jesus that I am mafia? who you want to vote and why? the case so far is: jesus implied eden was town then he said he was up in the air. you scumread tumble for a reason that made no sense. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8001 Posts
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nooniansoong
1538 Posts
On February 03 2016 06:09 darthfoley wrote: Kush do you think a town really has a 2 page filter by day 3? i think it's very possible. but if that's your argument look at scott/jesus. their filter sucks too. | ||
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nooniansoong
1538 Posts
Smaller filters are objectively scummier, but it has to be informed by meta to mean much. Even then it can bite you in the ass. I've been tricked by players, who usually have smaller filters as scum, having huge, 30 page filters. If you look at tumble vs jesus/scott less superificially, I think you will see that tumble has a lot more thought behind his posts. You may disagree with that thought, but that doesn't make him scum. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8001 Posts
This is such a simple post, yet I get really strong town vibes from it. Why would mafia remind someone who's agreed upon as town that he didn't read him? I just see a newbie mafia member seeing that post, not seeing their name, fist pumping and moving on with the thread. | ||
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nooniansoong
1538 Posts
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nooniansoong
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scott31337
United States2979 Posts
On February 03 2016 05:56 nooniansoong wrote: who you want to vote and why? the case so far is: jesus implied eden was town then he said he was up in the air. you scumread tumble for a reason that made no sense. You, because it requires an act of congress to get any information out of you, which is a scummy trait - and a few other things - you have a big filter, but unlike a few of the others, there's not a whole lot of substance. #2 would be Tumblewood - How you hard defend him so much - I kind of liked Trfel's case on him as well - and his hard townread on you with his notes here- + Show Spoiler [Tumblewood's magic townread on K…] + On February 02 2016 14:56 Tumblewood wrote: nooniansoong + Show Spoiler + Kush's posts have been very concise and to the point. There's very little nuance, which is, as kush says, a town tell. He doesn't care how he looks, and makes clear and solid points. + Show Spoiler + On January 28 2016 03:17 nooniansoong wrote: Yes, but he's doing it in a conspicuous but delibrate way. Almost like he is using this point the game to gather as much info as possible, and before EoD he will synthesize all that information into reads. If Trfel were scum, he would think to himself "I shouldn't be asking so many questions because that looks scummy." + Show Spoiler + On January 29 2016 01:52 nooniansoong wrote: scumlist for brags 3. JesusIncarnate 4. Alur 10. Onegu 13. Shapelog No intelligent mafia makes a scumlist and then just doesn't explain it, especially when not on everyone's townlists. He does not promote a mafia agenda with his posting. + Show Spoiler + On January 29 2016 04:25 nooniansoong wrote: KURA, PLEASE CLAIM YOUR ROLE. YOU ARE GOING TO GET LYNCHED. Kura was town. If kush were mafia, he would have known that and wanted Kura dead. Kush is making an effort to keep Kura from being mislynched without doing anything for town cred. Mafia would just leave Kura to die. + Show Spoiler + On January 30 2016 08:33 nooniansoong wrote: jesus will probably get replaced. If Jesus is town, mafia would try to get Jesus mislynched to waste a day. If Jesus is mafia, mafia would try to keep the discussion away from him. He doesn't talk much except in response to something else. [Not sure if this is a town tell or a scum tell] I'm tired of quoting things so no quotes here. I really think you two are the last mafia, with a little tinfoil on Trfel and PepperMintTea. My order right now would be DarthFoley _MexicanAlien Shapelog Trfel PepperMintTea Nooniansong Tumblewood Other peeps - do you think Trfel and PMT bussed yesterday? Do I need to re-read the whole day, or what do you think? From what I have so far, I'm extremely doubtful that Trfel did. | ||
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nooniansoong
1538 Posts
On February 03 2016 08:58 scott31337 wrote: You, because it requires an act of congress to get any information out of you, which is a scummy trait - and a few other things - you have a big filter, but unlike a few of the others, there's not a whole lot of substance. #2 would be Tumblewood - How you hard defend him so much - I kind of liked Trfel's case on him as well - and his hard townread on you with his notes here- + Show Spoiler [Tumblewood's magic townread on K…] + On February 02 2016 14:56 Tumblewood wrote: nooniansoong + Show Spoiler + Kush's posts have been very concise and to the point. There's very little nuance, which is, as kush says, a town tell. He doesn't care how he looks, and makes clear and solid points. + Show Spoiler + On January 28 2016 03:17 nooniansoong wrote: Yes, but he's doing it in a conspicuous but delibrate way. Almost like he is using this point the game to gather as much info as possible, and before EoD he will synthesize all that information into reads. If Trfel were scum, he would think to himself "I shouldn't be asking so many questions because that looks scummy." + Show Spoiler + On January 29 2016 01:52 nooniansoong wrote: scumlist for brags 3. JesusIncarnate 4. Alur 10. Onegu 13. Shapelog No intelligent mafia makes a scumlist and then just doesn't explain it, especially when not on everyone's townlists. He does not promote a mafia agenda with his posting. + Show Spoiler + On January 29 2016 04:25 nooniansoong wrote: KURA, PLEASE CLAIM YOUR ROLE. YOU ARE GOING TO GET LYNCHED. Kura was town. If kush were mafia, he would have known that and wanted Kura dead. Kush is making an effort to keep Kura from being mislynched without doing anything for town cred. Mafia would just leave Kura to die. + Show Spoiler + On January 30 2016 08:33 nooniansoong wrote: jesus will probably get replaced. If Jesus is town, mafia would try to get Jesus mislynched to waste a day. If Jesus is mafia, mafia would try to keep the discussion away from him. He doesn't talk much except in response to something else. [Not sure if this is a town tell or a scum tell] I'm tired of quoting things so no quotes here. I really think you two are the last mafia, with a little tinfoil on Trfel and PepperMintTea. My order right now would be DarthFoley _MexicanAlien Shapelog Trfel PepperMintTea Nooniansong Tumblewood Other peeps - do you think Trfel and PMT bussed yesterday? Do I need to re-read the whole day, or what do you think? From what I have so far, I'm extremely doubtful that Trfel did. What do you like about trfel's case on tumble?? I don't see anything to like. | ||
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nooniansoong
1538 Posts
Have you read ALL my filter? Any of my filter? Because you never commented on anything I've said before you showed up. You have been catching me in the thread asking me dumb questions and nitpicking me. | ||
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Tumblewood
United States3709 Posts
BIG OL' POSTS We're starting with someone really easy to do so I don't have to sift through many posts. scott31337 + Show Spoiler + I'm not going to read heavily on JesusIncarnate being AFK, because the AFKness doesn't seem to be a scum tactic as much as just being gone, because his replacement is getting back on the activity. Not that he had any other option. + Show Spoiler + On February 03 2016 08:58 scott31337 wrote: You, because it requires an act of congress to get any information out of you, which is a scummy trait - and a few other things - you have a big filter, but unlike a few of the others, there's not a whole lot of substance. #2 would be Tumblewood - How you hard defend him so much - I kind of liked Trfel's case on him as well - and his hard townread on you with his notes here- + Show Spoiler [Tumblewood's magic townread on K…] + On February 02 2016 14:56 Tumblewood wrote: nooniansoong + Show Spoiler + Kush's posts have been very concise and to the point. There's very little nuance, which is, as kush says, a town tell. He doesn't care how he looks, and makes clear and solid points. + Show Spoiler + On January 28 2016 03:17 nooniansoong wrote: Yes, but he's doing it in a conspicuous but delibrate way. Almost like he is using this point the game to gather as much info as possible, and before EoD he will synthesize all that information into reads. If Trfel were scum, he would think to himself "I shouldn't be asking so many questions because that looks scummy." + Show Spoiler + On January 29 2016 01:52 nooniansoong wrote: scumlist for brags 3. JesusIncarnate 4. Alur 10. Onegu 13. Shapelog No intelligent mafia makes a scumlist and then just doesn't explain it, especially when not on everyone's townlists. He does not promote a mafia agenda with his posting. + Show Spoiler + On January 29 2016 04:25 nooniansoong wrote: KURA, PLEASE CLAIM YOUR ROLE. YOU ARE GOING TO GET LYNCHED. Kura was town. If kush were mafia, he would have known that and wanted Kura dead. Kush is making an effort to keep Kura from being mislynched without doing anything for town cred. Mafia would just leave Kura to die. + Show Spoiler + On January 30 2016 08:33 nooniansoong wrote: jesus will probably get replaced. If Jesus is town, mafia would try to get Jesus mislynched to waste a day. If Jesus is mafia, mafia would try to keep the discussion away from him. He doesn't talk much except in response to something else. [Not sure if this is a town tell or a scum tell] I'm tired of quoting things so no quotes here. I really think you two are the last mafia, with a little tinfoil on Trfel and PepperMintTea. My order right now would be DarthFoley _MexicanAlien Shapelog Trfel PepperMintTea Nooniansong Tumblewood Other peeps - do you think Trfel and PMT bussed yesterday? Do I need to re-read the whole day, or what do you think? From what I have so far, I'm extremely doubtful that Trfel did. Although from scott's viewpoint this might be honest, I don't see why nooniansoong is his strongest scumread, since he's (as I've detailed) one of the most towny players in the game. Scott has very little to go off of, and it's all concerned me and kush (and a liiiittle of Trfel). Jesus was pretty scummy too before he left, and it's unlikely that both players are town showing scummy traits. I'd put scott even with PMT in my reads. Trfel + Show Spoiler + Quotes are stupid so I'm just going to write a paragraph instead. I think Trfel is town. Kush pointed out somewhere that, if Trfel were scum, he wouldn't ask so many questions because he knows it looks bad. And I think that's true: At the start of the game I failed to consider that Trfel's actions don't make sense from a scum point of view. He's ignored how his actions made him look, and the megapost (you know the one) is not something mafia puts that much effort into. I think Trfel is showing a genuine desire to find scum and win the game. @Whoever asked me to claim: I'm VT | ||
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Trfel
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If I don't live to see the night, I want to go down a hero. It's time... time for the BIG OL' POSTS [url=http://forums.crackberry.com/attachments/blackberry-10-os-f269/364758d1432847742t-phonearena-blackberry-has-given-up-bb10-os-o-boy.jpg]ohhhh boy[/url] Do you ever tunnel so hard that you get to the other side? Because I think I see the light. Shapelog + Show Spoiler + We're starting way too early. + Show Spoiler + On January 27 2016 06:37 Shapelog wrote: Its a dumbtell I guess it is the best way to say it. I mean it doesn't auto make him town if he does do it, it just something I see him do as vt. It's like syrup on a sundae, it's a condiment. Also When I Town/mafia read him I will say what it is. This is a weird way to establish a presence. I can't point to this directly as mafia, but there's something... off about it. + Show Spoiler + On January 27 2016 06:41 Shapelog wrote: I am not trying to read him lol. I am just saying there is something he does and as the day(s) goes on I will look for it, if it is absent, I will comment on it. Unless your scum team kills me, in which case i can just use it later on  .I am of the opinion that an out-of-place town slip is a mafia slip in disguise. The second line has no purpose except for that "your scum team". + Show Spoiler + On January 27 2016 07:39 Shapelog wrote: I am just trying to help solve/point into a direction this game b/4 I have to get off at 6 ish. He had made one post tops trying to do that by then, and it was just stating the obvious. Shapelog is also really eager to explain things away, even if his explanation doesn't quite have the support. + Show Spoiler + On January 27 2016 07:05 Shapelog wrote: OH I see why everyone is confused. I joked that Kush was scum while saying that. This explanation doesn't make sense to me. Does it make sense to you? + Show Spoiler + On January 27 2016 16:34 Shapelog wrote: Like sure his above posts are good. But they are 2 posts. And one of them is about set up (which thank you btw Eden for taking the time to explain) I don't think that warrants a strong TR. Idk you have played with Eden b/4. But to me it sounds like your trying to buddy/pocket him. Trying to buddy/pocket him? Do people even do that? + Show Spoiler + On January 28 2016 10:50 Shapelog wrote: Who knows maybe Tumble suffers from what i suffer from which is he reads the thread and at the end feels lost. Nah He tried to explain my actions, and with no evidence, but then he entirely un-committed. + Show Spoiler + On January 30 2016 08:00 Shapelog wrote: So if he knew/guess/predicted that darth was bread crumbing....... Would he, as scum, not rb/nk darth? I mean maybe he got talked out of it but idk. it is weird that he saw it as a bread crumb in the first place, but it is even weirder that it turned out true AND darth has been unscaved. idk tbh what to think about it He didn't even bother to check whether I was right. He made the connection between a comment on breadcrumbing and a blue role, but there's nothing there. There were some things he said and not followed up on... + Show Spoiler + On January 27 2016 06:39 Shapelog wrote: Btw I will log off around 6 pm in my local time and won't get on till 8 am since I won't have a home Cp. till tomorrow. He didn't log off for any significant time until half a day later. + Show Spoiler + On January 27 2016 17:04 Shapelog wrote: Eh i let you guys duel. It is 3 am. I am done. For shapelog in da future: Catch up Filter Drive: Onegu Deathfy Kush TW - I want to vist that scum case on me again. Low active people. He only followed up on one of those filters. ...until I pointed it out. Only after I noticed did he start following up on his promises, which only happens when someone's concerned about being scumread. His reads are also all over the place. + Show Spoiler + On January 29 2016 01:14 Shapelog wrote: Actually that scum slip is ridiculously huge if he is scum and gets lynched. Maybe I am wrong about my Tinfoil Team, Maybe one of Eden/Darth isn't scum and instead Kura is scum. Goes from Eden/Darth to Kura On January 29 2016 02:26 Shapelog wrote: On Ikido, goes from scum to town to scum again to "let me consider it". Gave himself backdoors to vote any of three different people, now including Jesus but only after others had read him significantly. He voted Ikidomari then Kuragari, said (and I quote) "Ikido is mafia", called me "opportunistic scum", and votes Jesus out of the blue (citing kush's post as reasoning)... he had the single most votes of anybody that day, and he's still going with PMT/Trfel/me/Jesus as his scum reads (Eden, too, before she was killed). It really, really, really feels like Tumblewood is playing to survive instead of trying to find mafia. Or trying to push stuff. Town doesn't talk about going down a hero and then nonchalantly discuss a scum read. Town yells at people to get them to stop lynching them, town insists that everyone lynches their target after they die, town doesn't just say "I'm going to be a hero by calling out the scum team so you can all look even stupider for lynching me later". Tumblewood's lack of decisions and focus on the lynches continues to be suspicious. The off-wagon vote on Day 2 is very suspicious, and is a huge indicator of this point. Nooniansoong will say that this isn't alignment indicative, and technically he is right that it does not prove that Tumblewood is mafia, however off-wagon votes are fairly more often mafia than the standard town/mafia ratio, and it's an example of a huge trend throughout Tumblewood's filter. There is one thing that gives me pause, though, I'll see how it develops as Tumblewood continues to read filters. ##vote Tumblewood I'll try to check in tomorrow as much as I can. I have class for most of the day, though. Bleh. Tumblewood's reads feel fabricated and don't flow, he's not pushing anything and doesn't feel invested about his reads. It feels like he is posting his reads for the purpose of posting his reads instead of getting people to follow them. He's not interested about the lynches and therefore seemingly not interested in lynching mafia. I'm pretty sure that Tumblewood is mafia. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On February 03 2016 15:02 Trfel wrote: Good night.It really, really, really feels like Tumblewood is playing to survive instead of trying to find mafia. Or trying to push stuff. Town doesn't talk about going down a hero and then nonchalantly discuss a scum read. Town yells at people to get them to stop lynching them, town insists that everyone lynches their target after they die, town doesn't just say "I'm going to be a hero by calling out the scum team so you can all look even stupider for lynching me later". Tumblewood's lack of decisions and focus on the lynches continues to be suspicious. The off-wagon vote on Day 2 is very suspicious, and is a huge indicator of this point. Nooniansoong will say that this isn't alignment indicative, and technically he is right that it does not prove that Tumblewood is mafia, however off-wagon votes are fairly more often mafia than the standard town/mafia ratio, and it's an example of a huge trend throughout Tumblewood's filter. There is one thing that gives me pause, though, I'll see how it develops as Tumblewood continues to read filters. ##vote Tumblewood I'll try to check in tomorrow as much as I can. I have class for most of the day, though. Bleh. Tumblewood's reads feel fabricated and don't flow, he's not pushing anything and doesn't feel invested about his reads. It feels like he is posting his reads for the purpose of posting his reads instead of getting people to follow them. He's not interested about the lynches and therefore seemingly not interested in lynching mafia. I'm pretty sure that Tumblewood is mafia. | ||
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Tumblewood
United States3709 Posts
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LoneMeow
Finland1396 Posts
scott31337 (2): PepperMintTea, nooniansoong Tumblewood (2): Shapelog, Trfel nooniansoong (1): _MexicanAlien Shapelog (1): Tumblewood Trfel (0): Not voting (2): scott31337, darthfoley Currently, scott31337 is set to be lynched. Deadline is Wednesday, Feb 03 8:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ). Voting is mandatory! If there are errors, please let us know. | ||
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scott31337
United States2979 Posts
On January 31 2016 11:06 LoneMeow wrote: Vote count: Trfel (3): nooniansoong, _MexicanAlien, darthfoley JesusIncarnate (2): Eden1892 (1): Shapelog Tumblewood (1): Trfel Not voting (3): Tumblewood, JesusIncarnate, Ikidomari Currently, Trfel is set to be lynched. Deadline is Sunday, Jan 31 8:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ). Voting is mandatory! If there are errors, please let us know. So I've reviewed most of Day 2, since I want to see what noon's talking about with the bus. At this vote - Trfel's up with three votes. Ikid never comes back, so we'll assume he's afk - Did Trfel know this or...? If he is mafia, could him and his partner just vote for me and go for the mislynch? We know Tumblewood does go for the shit vote later. Noon are you saying he went for the bus to save himself? Also - what happened to this? On February 01 2016 02:36 nooniansoong wrote: As long as one of trfel, jesus, or ikid gets lynched, I don't care all that much. | ||
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_MexicanAlien
South Africa193 Posts
thoughts on nooniansoong + Show Spoiler + Early on in the game he refused to give explanations of his townreads time and time again, because he didn't want to ' give them a free defense'. This made a little bit of sense while the game was still young, but it doesn't later because you should want to prove to the rest of town that your townreads are true, so you can go on hunting scum. With his scumreads, not posting them initially also makes a little bit of sense, but again, as the game goes on, you should be willing to prove/back up your reads. nooniansoong's play seemed very 'I read X, Y, Z as town and A, B, C as scum, but I don't want to tell you why. Because I'm too cool and I'm going to be right.' It seems his apparent willingness to at least partially share his reasoning (however copied and repetitive it may be) now is the fact that he has been coming under increasing suspicion as the game moves along. So, to try to appear helpful and town, he posts a lot more. also, nooniansoong seems almost too willing to let the newbs (me, shapelog, ect) direct the rest of town with bad reads and seems to go along with unspoken newb consensus. he seems to promote the suspicions and reads of the newbies as long as they don't conflict with his agenda. | ||
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nooniansoong
1538 Posts
On February 03 2016 15:41 scott31337 wrote: So I've reviewed most of Day 2, since I want to see what noon's talking about with the bus. At this vote - Trfel's up with three votes. Ikid never comes back, so we'll assume he's afk - Did Trfel know this or...? If he is mafia, could him and his partner just vote for me and go for the mislynch? We know Tumblewood does go for the shit vote later. Noon are you saying he went for the bus to save himself? Also - what happened to this? Want to respond to my above posts? How can you say I have no content if you didn't even read my filter? And what about that quote? It still stands... Right now I'm on you because more people are willing to vote you | ||
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nooniansoong
1538 Posts
On February 03 2016 15:03 Trfel wrote:It really, really, really feels like Tumblewood is playing to survive instead of trying to find mafia. Or trying to push stuff. Town doesn't talk about going down a hero and then nonchalantly discuss a scum read. Town yells at people to get them to stop lynching them, town insists that everyone lynches their target after they die, town doesn't just say "I'm going to be a hero by calling out the scum team so you can all look even stupider for lynching me later". Tumblewood's lack of decisions and focus on the lynches continues to be suspicious. The off-wagon vote on Day 2 is very suspicious, and is a huge indicator of this point. Nooniansoong will say that this isn't alignment indicative, and technically he is right that it does not prove that Tumblewood is mafia, however off-wagon votes are fairly more often mafia than the standard town/mafia ratio, and it's an example of a huge trend throughout Tumblewood's filter. There is one thing that gives me pause, though, I'll see how it develops as Tumblewood continues to read filters. ##vote Tumblewood I'll try to check in tomorrow as much as I can. I have class for most of the day, though. Bleh. Tumblewood's reads feel fabricated and don't flow, he's not pushing anything and doesn't feel invested about his reads. It feels like he is posting his reads for the purpose of posting his reads instead of getting people to follow them. He's not interested about the lynches and therefore seemingly not interested in lynching mafia. I'm pretty sure that Tumblewood is mafia. Nice excuse to not be here eod. Off wagon votes are not more often coming from mafia. You are making that up. Complete poppycock. Other people have done that this game and you call them town. Ma, pmt. Town yells at people to get them to stop lynching them, town insists that everyone lynches their target after they die, town doesn't just say "I'm going to be a hero by calling out the scum team so you can all look even stupider for lynching me later". Scott isn't doing that and right now he has a majority of votes. So you scumread tumble for something Scott is also doing. | ||
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But two mafia down gives us 192 hours to find the last mafia, so there shouldn't be any rush 
