EPTNewbie Student Mafia XIX - Page 24
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Onegu
United States9695 Posts
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Tumblewood
United States3709 Posts
First, about our three main suspects: Onegu, PepperMintTea and Shapelog Onegu hasn't really done anything aside from his one big post and his arguments defending that post. Everything else is just Onegu being the Newbie Police. I won't quote that post since it's gigantic, but the read on Trfel is good and the rest doesn't say very much. It's hard to townread him for anything he's done this game, so he's a slight scumread. PepperMintTea hasn't done anything to give me an opinion of him. It looks to me as if people saw one post with sort of flawed logic and then went entirely off of that. Shapelog's early play (say, pre page 16) was scummy as hell. You guys are all townreading him for reasons that are mostly "Too scummy to be scum", like Eden's post (cropped) On January 27 2016 16:11 Eden1892 wrote: I skimmed the early stuff. It's a bit late and I don't really feel like reading the thread in a lot of depth right now, but I got a few early reads worth sharing. - Shapelog is obviously town, and the first thing I want to do when I get the motivation to read this game in detail (which will be tomorrow, hold me to this and don't let me be lazy) is to read the sequence of people scumreading him early while it was the "in" read to give, because I'm almost positive scum were involved in that. If I actually have to explain this (and if you need it explained, that's okay; newbie game and all), Shapelog's posting was very spontaneous and "error-prone" in the right way. As Onegu put it, "talking about someone's meta before they even post" is in fact a poor use of a townie's time, because you don't need to call attention to the idea that you have a way to read somebody based on meta. Just make the read in either direction when the trigger behavior you're waiting on manifests itself (or doesn't manifest itself when it should). But a post like that is never going to come from mafia. Mafia players don't think to themselves: "You know, I should post that I have a meta read on kush before he says anything. That will make me look more townie and advance my agenda." Because it doesn't. It's empty words. An excited townie, however, who is trying to get discussion started and generate meaningful data for themselves and other players to read, might be overeager and start talking about this tell before it manifests, because it's meaningful to them (even if it doesn't do anything yet). And if you read the rest of Shapelog's posts, eagerness and excitement are pretty reasonable descriptors of his emotional state as he plays. So we can either assume that Shapelog is a bad noob scum player, who also doesn't have anybody on his team to tell him that his early posting isn't doing anything to help, and who also doesn't have a scum coach telling him the same thing... or we can just assume that he is an eager townie, as his posts read. The bolded section, the main reason for townreading, makes no sense. It's basically, "It doesn't make him look like town, and scum wants to look like town, so he must not be scum." I'd appreciate if you'd explain that point to me. Next, about the other consistently active players: darthfoley, _MexicanAlien, and Trfel Onegu, regardless of whether he's scum, made a good point on Trfel. Trfel's been asking so many questions but hasn't said much of anything himself. That reads scum to me, because it allows him to advance mafia's agenda without doing anything himself, if that makes sense. Anything I say on darthfoley will be a weak point. He hasn't done much of anything this game to give me a strong opinion on him, so I'm going to call this one a null read. MexicanAlien looks like a complete townread if you ignore his first ten posts. He started the game off with things like, "We need to figure out a strategy" and "We need information", which would be a sure scumread if he weren't a complete newbie or if he continued like that. Those first few posts set off alarm bells in my head, but I think I was wrong on that one, because he's been a normal contributing member of the town since then. And everyone else I have nothing to say about Kuramari and Ikidomari because of how little they've posted and how little they've said. Opinions pending. JesusIncarnate is weird to me because he was away for the first 15 hours of the game then came back and said half good points and half "sick meme". I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, but it's definitely suspicious in my mind if he doesn't do anything more for the next several hours. Eden and Alur read town for me, because they seem to be the ones with the most desire to hunt scum in the town. Alur went quiet for a while, but my opinion on him hasn't changed yet. Eden is the more town-leaning of the two. Nooniansoong (kush?) is a sliiiight scum read for me because he's gotten by doing very little so far. There's definitely not enough, though, there to base a lynch off of. TL;DR I was gone for a while and now I'm trying to catch up. Shapelog still reads scum to me, Onegu and Trfel also look scum to me, Eden, Alur, MexicanAlien look town. I need to read through this again and see what everyone else did because it's sort of lame having null / very weak reads on 6/12 other players. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8001 Posts
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_MexicanAlien
South Africa193 Posts
On January 28 2016 01:21 PepperMintTea wrote: I was asked the same question more than once and that is the general form. Considering I read shapelog as town and these are the questions I was asked , my "rephrasing of the question" is in fact not interesting. It appears you have not understood what I said and I apologise for that. Let me simplify things for you. I don't know the exact reason behind ShapeLog being nervous or over excited. There could be many reasons, I gave a few. However I do think he came across as nervous or over excited, that is my opinion. As a result of this it caused his haphazardous posting. In my opinion Haphazardous posting of that form typically comes from town. hence my conclusion. If you don't understand that then I feel sorry for you. Let the readers decide what is interesting. Why did you exclude the most plausible reason for Shapelog's nervousness? He is Mafia. It's Occam's razor. The best reason for the way he is acting is that he is Mafia. And the most plausible reason for you excluding this very obvious solution is that you are Mafia too. So-called "haphazardous" posting is a great way for Mafia to Spam out important points and make people lose focus. | ||
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PepperMintTea
187 Posts
On January 28 2016 01:35 _MexicanAlien wrote: Let the readers decide what is interesting. Why did you exclude the most plausible reason for Shapelog's nervousness? He is Mafia. It's Occam's razor. The best reason for the way he is acting is that he is Mafia. And the most plausible reason for you excluding this very obvious solution is that you are Mafia too. So-called "haphazardous" posting is a great way for Mafia to Spam out important points and make people lose focus. People who say "Occam's razor" trying to be intelligent often achieve the opposite. in my experience lots of haphazrdous posting is | ||
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PepperMintTea
187 Posts
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Shapelog
United States5184 Posts
On January 28 2016 01:35 _MexicanAlien wrote: It's Occam's razor. The best reason for the way he is acting is that he is Mafia. And the most plausible reason for you excluding this very obvious solution is that you are Mafia too. Yeah I am totally mafia with PepperMintTea. Totally because how I was the first person to make a mini case about her and i will totally push my scum mate into the lynch candidates (Kush/noon did talk about it, but he just asked questions and voted) Yeah Totally Brah. | ||
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Shapelog
United States5184 Posts
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_MexicanAlien
South Africa193 Posts
On January 28 2016 01:38 PepperMintTea wrote: People who say "Occam's razor" trying to be intelligent often achieve the opposite. in my experience lots of haphazrdous posting is That is irrelevant banter. My point still stands. If you have trouble understanding the reference, go to Wikipedia. Your experience is worth squat here. | ||
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_MexicanAlien
South Africa193 Posts
On January 28 2016 01:41 Shapelog wrote: Yeah I am totally mafia with PepperMintTea. Totally because how I was the first person to make a mini case about her and i will totally push my scum mate into the lynch candidates (Kush/noon did talk about it, but he just asked questions and voted) Yeah Totally Brah. Dude no one trusts what you say. If anything, your illogical case against her actually helped her. | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
On January 28 2016 01:31 Onegu wrote: Trfel 100% scum. Confirmed now. You are welcome. maybe you can be town after all | ||
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nooniansoong
1538 Posts
##vote onegu | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
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Shapelog
United States5184 Posts
On January 28 2016 01:50 _MexicanAlien wrote: Dude no one trusts what you say. If anything, your illogical case against her actually helped her. I don't care if no one trusts what I say. All i am focus on is finding mafia and getting a direction figured out for d2 (which i can only do after lynch) But How did my case help her. By saying all she has been doing is posing defenses and nothing else? | ||
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darthfoley
United States8001 Posts
On January 27 2016 22:39 Alur wrote: Oh and darth, you seem more invested now, so that's definitely something. But this series of events seems strange to me: (This was in reply to Tumblewood when he upgraded Onegu to slight townread, and downgraded Trfel to null) Then Eden presents Onegu as his top suspect. Largely based on the same material that you townread Onegu on. Then you go on to say: Surely if you thought Onegu was town, you'd discuss the matter with Eden rather than just lauding his post. I for one think it's entirely plausible that Onegu is just asshole town. You look a little flip-floppy here. 1. I said Onegu read town to me at the time, because when I posted that, he hadn't posted much, but it seemed focused on not talking about pointless bullshit. 2. Surely if I thought Onegu was town, I would discuss it with Eden, which is specifically why I posted: On January 27 2016 16:43 darthfoley wrote: Oh FYI, I haven't read through Onegu's filter so I don't know about Eden's scum read yet. I addressed this very point. It was 2AM and Eden was going to bed soon, so I wanted to wait to address it today. 3. I townread Eden more for his town read of Shapelog rather than his scum read of Onegu. Eden, i've been trying to make exactly the point you just made about Shapelog. The scum Kush meta read thing just makes no sense. I also liked Kush's interaction with Pepperminttea. He is playing a lot more substantively this game imo 4. If you had actually read my filter thoroughly, the three previous points would be rather straightforward. I wasn't flip-floppy. I agree that it's WIFOM to talk about your entry post, but I don't have much of a reason to TR you right now. | ||
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Onegu
United States9695 Posts
On January 28 2016 01:52 nooniansoong wrote: ##unvote ##vote onegu Really disappoint here you are much better than this kush. | ||
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nooniansoong
1538 Posts
On January 28 2016 01:56 Onegu wrote: Really disappoint here you are much better than this kush. how so when I mislynched you 2 games ago... | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
You said that you are playing this game differently, more seriously. Can you please explain the mindset that you are using this game? | ||
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nooniansoong
1538 Posts
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Shapelog
United States5184 Posts
What part of Tryhard mode do you not understand? | ||
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