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raynpelikoneet
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What Greymist said is this: 1) I attacked Greymist 2) Greymist answered and accused me 3) You acted like you were defending me by agreeing with DP about Greymist's post 4) Greymist thought it could be scum indicative for you Basically there is nothing wrong if you look at only that. Screw all the "who is he in this post", because it is very clear what Greymist was trying to say. Except for what i just pointed out in my above post. | ||
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On December 15 2015 03:28 Rels wrote: I'm as lost as you. Waiting for gm confirmation on what he meant (did he misquote or not ?) before going further. So am i correct, is this your problem with him? Since you admit yourself you misread a post, I don't understand why you think me questionning your logic on attacking rayn is a 3rd party defense rather than me finding something weird on your posts. Do you have an explanation ? | ||
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On December 15 2015 01:46 Damdred wrote: I wasn't 100% sure but in that moment I didn't want to lynch rels I thought about maybe going to gm but I would rather be with my hard tr in that situation. I did think Marv had an ok chance to flip scum after seeing what you said+looking at his filter bit I was nervous. You know, i was actually very nervous to switch my vote. I had to go through marv's filter twice to make a decision... You also sounded, at the time, that you were not sure of him being scum. So, here's where i am getting at. I don't see Greymist not switching his vote as scummy as you seem to think. Unless i am missing something? I don't necessarily think everyone can see what i saw in marv's filter; especially Greymist, as he didn't agree(?) with my analysis (definitely no more than one mafia in Rels/DP/hydra -- which was the basis of my vote on marv in the end) in the first place. I could totally see him coming to a conclusion that marv is not mafia based on his posting, and therefore refusing to vote for him -- as he had already made up his mind voting for Rels. So idk, am i missing something here that goes against this line of logic? | ||
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We've had a strong townread on both Rayn (me more than art, but that's splitting hairs) and Damdred since very early in the game. I'd like to hear a bit more on this. Mainly what Artanis' thoughts on me were back then (and at which point of the game was this?). | ||
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On December 15 2015 05:03 RtaniSoul wrote: We also don't think the Rels-GM interaction looks like town-town, and in particular looks bad on Rels. It looks more like he's trying to make something happen and focusing on small issues that he just posts a lot about rather than trying to work with people. Kind of more of the same. The issue discussed was insignificant and doesn't really make anyone scum. Of course you don't think it looks town/town, lol  | ||
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rayn argues Y Greymist thinks Y is in fact X stuff happens Rels makes a point on Y Greymist realizes X is in fact Y Greymist argues Rels is scum because of his response to X pfffffttt... i don't actually know what to think here. | ||
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On December 15 2015 05:22 Damdred wrote: Is it still rels only for you rayn? No, i am kinda lost here....  | ||
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On December 15 2015 05:28 GreYMisT wrote: That is a mischaracterization and a slight mistake of logic. The analysis has little bearing on the substance of the argument, but the way it was made. And Rels, you literally think everyone else is gold standard town? I find that impossible to believe. I don't understand how this is possible because you were actually misrepresenting me and what i said of you and Rels pointed that out. | ||
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On December 15 2015 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't understand how this is possible because you were actually misrepresenting me and what i said of you and Rels pointed that out. Actually fuck.. no it is not what Rels did. In fact Rels read your post (in comparison to mine) as bad as you read my post in the first place.... ughhhh... | ||
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Damdred: I think this should be obvious. He hammered scum. Period. DarthPunk: Most likely town based on marv voting for him and not going onto Rels when i was pushing Rels. I seriously think if DP/marv were mafia here marv could have escaped the lynch. I believe they would have done something to make him escape the lynch since they were BOTH here at the same time. However, if DP is at LYLO do not take this as a 100% truth. There is a tiny chance DP could be scum, but if he is not he should get more vocal and involved into the game. GreyMist: I don't fucking know. From the three people i consider as possible scum he looks the best. + his EOD looks legit confused and not scummy + if he is scum i don't get why he just doesn't vote for marv after Damdred votes (since Rels is not gonna vote for himself anyways) --> there is no way he is gonna save marv at that point anyways + before that i think he acted really townie, as i pointed out before - i feel like he is reserved and dodges questions, or ugh.. i don't know how to put it... doesn't answer them properly in the first place, i feel like some things must be "dragged out of him". I don't fucking know if this is just how he plays and i am not going to go check his past games rn (i don't think that even matters because unless i am mistaken the last game he played was years ago) - i don't like him saying this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/499921-really-small-mafia-ii?page=21#418 , go into his filter p3 and see what his "analysis" after that are. i don't really see any. - i don't understand him asking stuff from Damdred (to me it sounded like he thinks Damdred could be scum??) and asking Rels about his read on me (as it's quite clear what Rels' read on me is) I still think, gun to my head, the pros outweigh the cons. Wouldn't lynch. Fortunately i don't have to decide that right now. RtaniSoul: Something feels wrong here. Like the posts look clean, everything looks fine. But then i am thinking what would they do if they were mafia, and i can't figure out what they would do differently... I seriously can't. If there is anything, i feel like they are uninvested in figuring out what is in fact what. Something is lacking here.... Rels: - I don't like his EOD, i really don't, i disagree with Damdred here. The thing is Rels said he hasn't read most of the posts when shit started to happen, yet he doesn't listen to anyone when he comes back at the EOD, just starts yelling idk.. something... - The scumread on marv suddenly disappears there, without him properly reading marv's posts - I agree with the two-head here, many of Rels' points seem to lead nowhere and are minor points that do not actually matter at all alignment-wise - Actually this shit here points towards Rels more than Greymist. Look at what i say about Greymist's post, and what Rels does: + Show Spoiler + On December 13 2015 18:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: I never said there could not be scum between them. I said i think there is no way BOTH of the scum are between them. I provided analysis on why i reached to the conclusion. I am not arbitary putting people into categories, if you think my analysis is incorrect, please argue about why they are incorrect instead of just creating a narrative on the conclusion. I am not saying it is certain you are mafia. In fact i am far more sure of marv being scum at this point based purely on the fact that he well knows the game has started and has decided to not post anything at all. The conclusion that at least one of you / marv has to be mafia for me is completely logical based on the analysis on other people -- basically it is due to PoE. Again, if you do not agree with this, please point out where i am wrong in my analysis. Then we have something to argue about. Tbf, you can't just say something is scummy / wrong without actually explaining why it is that way. I feel like i have provided my thought process behind every conclusion i have made in this game -- so it would only be natural for you to actually try to disprove my conclusions if you attack my arguments, no? Again, i have already said why i think this is the case. Why is my (and Damdred's) "jump" on Rels "rushed and oppertunistic". I found out Rels' thought process illogical and the things he posted didn't match up with the conclusions he ended up with. I wanted him to elaborate further, and i don't think "that going nowhere" is my fault, since Rels' answer was basically "yeah that's what i think". In my opinion this has bearing when you analyze every single other player who has posted that far in the game. I consider it weird because if you are mafia you would either: 1) correctly call me town -- in which case it hinders your mislynch possibilities 2) incorrectly call me mafia -- in which case your logic is not sound in the first place and someone can catch you for it Furthermore at some point you were saying you didn't have a read on me. But around half of your case (idk.. is this a case?) is based on the timeline when you didn't have a read on me, and is also basically based on everything i did during that time.. How is it possible both of your statements are correct? On December 13 2015 19:50 Rels wrote: How is it scum indicative ? I'm one of the scumread of Damdred, it's normal he interrogates me on my actions. On the contrary, I think it's town indicative for rayn to share his thought process. It's only scum indicative if you can point how what he posted is not logical or deserves a scum agenda. He explained why he thought that. Can you point what is wrong or scum with his logic ? You seem to consider me town since apparently Damdred / rayn attacked me too easily. Why are you townreading me ? The notable difference here is the following: What i did i pointed out why Greymist was talking about something that i NEVER said. What Rels did is he just asked "why is this scummy?". I believe this shows a lack of reading the thread properly and understanding why people say the things they do, since the correct question here, for Rels, should be "rayn never said what you claim here -- why are you saying he did?". If i actually did what Greymist said in his post that WOULD be scummy, but the fact is i didn't. I think this is the strongest point against Rels, and i missed that before. Also notice that the post Rels made came AFTER i had already posted my response to Greymist. My preferred lynch order at this point is Rels --> Hydra. | ||
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On December 15 2015 06:01 RtaniSoul wrote: As for Marv flipping scum and us afking on him, I do actually think that gives us some cred because Marv coming back to the thread when his scumbuddy is afk is just not something that's likely to happen. Marv and I talk occasionally and I'm sure we would've communicated about it. He wouldn't have come back without that. No, that gives you literally 0 credit. | ||
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Rels makes sense here. Greymist actually says two different things here. | ||
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i need to go for 15mins. i'll explain if i have time when i am back. basically follow the link from here, the last quote from rels: On December 15 2015 01:04 Rels wrote: OK if I'm not welcome here I will wait for these to get answers before coming back. GM I'm waiting for you. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/499921-really-small-mafia-ii?page=17#329 (only the 2nd thing) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/499921-really-small-mafia-ii?page=18#344 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/499921-really-small-mafia-ii?page=19#365 follow the last post rels copy/pasted here and read very carefully. also make sure you are fully aware of what has happened when the posts that come up later on have been posted. | ||
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Post 1: Post 2: On December 13 2015 19:50 Rels wrote: How is it scum indicative ? I'm one of the scumread of Damdred, it's normal he interrogates me on my actions. On the contrary, I think it's town indicative for rayn to share his thought process. It's only scum indicative if you can point how what he posted is not logical or deserves a scum agenda. He explained why he thought that. Can you point what is wrong or scum with his logic ? You seem to consider me town since apparently Damdred / rayn attacked me too easily. Why are you townreading me ? Now this is what Greymist says about Rels regarding his [post 1]: On December 14 2015 05:46 GreYMisT wrote: prompting him to 3rd party defend rayn. maybe im reaching but I'd be ok with a rels lynch if thats the play. Rels responds with asking if Greymist really meant [post 2] instead of [post 1]. Greymist responds with this: On December 15 2015 01:11 GreYMisT wrote: 3) and I think i might have misquoted as you said. I see it as a 3rd party defense because I posted suspicions of ryan, and you came in and broke down the post instead of waiting to see how rayn would react to it, like I would assume a town would who wants more information. Now there are the following problems: 1) Greymist uses two different explanations for his post. This is something i find highly unlike to come from a townie, ever. It's like he goes: "Oh now i remember, I posted suspicions of ryan, and you came in and broke down the post instead of waiting to see how rayn would react to it". This could be possibly a townie just misremembering but.. 2) The problem with the above is it is a straight out lie. Rels NEVER broke my post down because i had posted MY response to Greymist BEFORE Rels made his [post 2]. Therefore it is impossible this is true. Now all this combined i do not think Greymist is telling the truth here, because either he is in the end lying about which post he is talking about, or he is lying about the reasoning behind the scumread in total. | ||
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"...Rels NEVER broke Greymist's post down as he claims...." | ||
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On December 15 2015 06:55 DarthPunk wrote: Do you not consider that GM could have just changed his perception of that post over the course of time? He is literally using two different posts to justify his read on Rels. one post is meh.... which he now claims is not actually the post he was talking about. the second post must be a lie. what am i supposed to think? | ||
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