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kinda worried that I will have no one to rant at with huge walls of spam posts, since I won't have a coach for the first time.
Trfel: can you plant less trees this time around?
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/in kinda worried that I will have no one to rant at with huge walls of spam posts, since I won't have a coach for the first time. Trfel: can you plant less trees this time around? | ||
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On November 25 2015 22:44 MoosyDoosy wrote: Someone asked me to. /in yooo, cupcake! <3 | ||
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On November 27 2015 02:04 Half the Sky wrote: Pre-game excuse - If this game starts soon, I have two job interviews on Monday so I won't be anywhere near this game especially if either of them go really well \o/ Well, here's hoping. glgl! <3 On November 27 2015 03:18 MoosyDoosy wrote: So where did BH go? The sign-up list in the OP hasn't changed at all. Noticed this, too. Assuming thanksgiving since BH is murrican. | ||
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On November 28 2015 01:42 Damdred wrote: Shining is guilt tripping me .... Oh temptaition Who am I going to sheep, if you are not around? | ||
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On November 28 2015 11:48 Damdred wrote: Wellllll.... /in maybe I'll be ok for one awesome. 1 slot left. | ||
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GL HF everyone, may RNGesus grant your wishes. | ||
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On November 30 2015 01:47 NocturneMage wrote: Show nested quote + On November 30 2015 00:46 disformation wrote: GL HF everyone, may RNGesus make me Mafia. Fixed that for you. There needs to be a first time for scumformation. haha. wouldn't mind rolling mafia for once. On the other hand I'd also like to find out if I can improve my town game after the super bad D1 last game and the weak points I was able to find afterwards. So I wouldn't mind rolling town either. That being said something other than VT would be kinda nice for a change. xD But let us see what happens... That remind me: I need to update my profile with the last game. On November 30 2015 02:15 Fidei86 wrote: pregame excuse I am bad at mafia Also this. xD | ||
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On November 30 2015 03:22 MoosyDoosy wrote: pregame excuse: i said i'll play d1 but remember that i only play d1 as mafia but then again i like playing w/ damdred which might make me try but then i have bias towards damdred so if i'm town that's a negative spiral and btw if i do roll mafia idk if i'll actually play or not for mindgames but idk if i'll be able to muster the decision to play if i'm town but guys i've rolled town in every one of blazinghand's games so ofc i'll roll town but maybe this time it's time to break the chain... So in short you are saying that you trying/playing D1 is WIFOM regarding to your alignment and that in the case you are actually doing stuff D1 we need to read you based on content? Sounds like a good plan. :p | ||
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On November 30 2015 06:59 The Shining wrote: This guy You might want to ask HtS if she is okay with that... probably they will talk about that anyway though. | ||
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On December 01 2015 04:49 NocturneMage wrote: Show nested quote + On December 01 2015 01:30 Rels wrote: On November 27 2015 02:04 Half the Sky wrote: Pre-game excuse - If this game starts soon, I have two job interviews on Monday so I won't be anywhere near this game especially if either of them go really well \o/ Well, here's hoping. So what's the news ? She texted me after both ended. Both went very well. She might have another one in the works as well. Honestly I'm just glad she has options. that is pretty damn good. | ||
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On December 01 2015 05:04 NocturneMage wrote: Show nested quote + On December 01 2015 04:45 disformation wrote: pregame excuse: I am tired but already drank one normal and three large coffees. Halp? That doesn't sound good at all. How much sleep did you get? I get ridiculous headaches with that amount of caffeine. about 4 hours I think. My sleep schedule is kinda messed up right now. I either can't get out of bed and sleep like 10 to 13 hours or I run on no sleep all caffeine. Don't get headaches that often though. Mostly when I don't drink enough water on top of that and end up sleeping 10+ hours. | ||
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On December 01 2015 08:04 Trfel wrote: Trumpets! The rest of the orchestra doesn't matter one bit but they messed up at about 1:14 Also, Blazinghand making us lose 4 minutes of our Day 1, worst host ever This video contains content from nikitaventures music, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds. I swear I need to get a proxy or something for youtube one day. -.- | ||
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On December 01 2015 08:09 Trfel wrote: Sorry about that disformation, I guess I just assumed that America was the most strict with regards to Youtube video rights. It was the first video for "Festive Overture" that came up, and it was a pretty lousy one, anyway. No loss. Germany is super horrible in that regard. We have something called the GEMA (GEMA; English: Society for musical performing and mechanical reproduction rights) and they block tons of stuff on youtube. Annoying as hell. | ||
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Was trying to come up with something witty to say about you not playing to your wincon anyway, but I guess it would be better of you to check your PM... | ||
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On December 01 2015 08:27 Damdred wrote: Well hello there strangers. My name is Damdred and we need a clear direction in this thread, I am the hero that you guys have and need. This is the plan, we each are responsible for our own reads but also communicating them to the thread. Firstly for the roles, nobody should talk about this besides an opinion going forward, if you are a named towny you should claim asap, it narrows down the pool that we lynch from and also gives us more to work with. however if you are the Vet do not claim unless absolutely necessary. If you are shot claim if you aren't shut the hell up. After you use your power claim straight away your findings if you are one shot obviously do not pussy foot away and give mafia the ability to cause town to second guess you. As such thank you for your time in reading this. Secondly I am going to try to keep my posts as concise as possible but with as much read information in it as I can, I will attempt to update the thread every 10-15 posts with where I have people and will be able to answer why they are there, I implore each of you to make as many reads as you can and when questioned do not freak out. Anyway lets have us a good game. Super Town: Damdred But are you the hero this town deserves? | ||
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On December 01 2015 08:36 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On December 01 2015 08:27 Damdred wrote: Well hello there strangers. My name is Damdred and we need a clear direction in this thread, I am the hero that you guys have and need. This is the plan, we each are responsible for our own reads but also communicating them to the thread. Firstly for the roles, nobody should talk about this besides an opinion going forward, if you are a named towny you should claim asap, it narrows down the pool that we lynch from and also gives us more to work with. however if you are the Vet do not claim unless absolutely necessary. If you are shot claim if you aren't shut the hell up. After you use your power claim straight away your findings if you are one shot obviously do not pussy foot away and give mafia the ability to cause town to second guess you. As such thank you for your time in reading this. Secondly I am going to try to keep my posts as concise as possible but with as much read information in it as I can, I will attempt to update the thread every 10-15 posts with where I have people and will be able to answer why they are there, I implore each of you to make as many reads as you can and when questioned do not freak out. Anyway lets have us a good game. Super Town: Damdred But are you the hero this town deserves? Actually. This Damdred post looks somewhat ... I am fishing for the correct English word here... constructed? Did you plan/write that before the game started? | ||
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On December 01 2015 08:44 Trfel wrote: Hm, LightningStrike hasn't posted at all yet. Very suspicious, I would have expected him to be really excited for this game since he hasn't played in a while. Disformation, why are you only bringing up Damdred's post now, and not right when he posted it? Tired as hell. When I first read it I was like kinda amused by the hero thing, triggering my immediate reaction (the first post). Then I read it again and thought that it was a kinda unusual thing for Damdred to post and remembered that I was criticized for a very similar thing (over constructed first post shortly after the start of the game) in my first game here. So I asked him the same question I was asked. The advise itself is probably valid though. | ||
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On December 01 2015 09:27 The Shining wrote: Show nested quote + On December 01 2015 09:17 Palmar wrote: On December 01 2015 09:13 The Shining wrote: Fidei's scumlean is bad. No one but disfo and Trfel had posted at the time of my posts and I poked fun at the fact that throughout the history of my playing on TL, I don't normally play on Mondays and Tuesdays. Which is why I "went quiet." I don't normally have time to play on these days and I'll be out of here once again shortly. Fidei calling you out on something you actually did doesn't make him mafia. If you're town you should be considering, and possibly favoring, the option that he's just a townie with a wrong scumlean. Nothing he said was false. He literally took true information and made a lean on it. That's the most null thing you can do in mafia. On December 01 2015 09:13 The Shining wrote: Palmar is bad for commenting on literally nothing up to this point but claiming I'm 100% scum. There are actual things going on in the thread but he's just trying to pick up off of Fidei's soft pushing on me to get me lynched. Out of Fidei and Palmar, Palmar is the worst looking one. I hadn't even read Fidei's post, I just came into the game, read the first page, then posted "Shining is 100% scum", turns out I mostly agree with Fidei, so free townread in the process! His expectations are unreal of me if he is town. He said I went quiet and yet here I am so I'm interested if his lean now goes away or if it becomes a hard scumread because I scumread him. Like there were actual things happening, like Damdred's big post directing blues, Rels finding DYH and Damdred suspicious, but his scumlean comes off on the one person who he probably expected to afk because it's Monday/Tuesday and who didn't say much of anything. And in the same post, he goes ahead and leaves the thread when he enters it. Your hard defense of Fidei so early is noted, though. Well, you went quiet and then suddenly popped out when two people called you scum... Plus your are going quite the OMGUS + hard defense mode. Def. not a fan so far, kinda remember better post from you last game. @Damdred: So you are saying that the post is constructed since you took quite some time writing it up, but started after the game started? | ||
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On December 01 2015 09:32 Damdred wrote: Show nested quote + On December 01 2015 09:30 disformation wrote: On December 01 2015 09:27 The Shining wrote: On December 01 2015 09:17 Palmar wrote: On December 01 2015 09:13 The Shining wrote: Fidei's scumlean is bad. No one but disfo and Trfel had posted at the time of my posts and I poked fun at the fact that throughout the history of my playing on TL, I don't normally play on Mondays and Tuesdays. Which is why I "went quiet." I don't normally have time to play on these days and I'll be out of here once again shortly. Fidei calling you out on something you actually did doesn't make him mafia. If you're town you should be considering, and possibly favoring, the option that he's just a townie with a wrong scumlean. Nothing he said was false. He literally took true information and made a lean on it. That's the most null thing you can do in mafia. On December 01 2015 09:13 The Shining wrote: Palmar is bad for commenting on literally nothing up to this point but claiming I'm 100% scum. There are actual things going on in the thread but he's just trying to pick up off of Fidei's soft pushing on me to get me lynched. Out of Fidei and Palmar, Palmar is the worst looking one. I hadn't even read Fidei's post, I just came into the game, read the first page, then posted "Shining is 100% scum", turns out I mostly agree with Fidei, so free townread in the process! His expectations are unreal of me if he is town. He said I went quiet and yet here I am so I'm interested if his lean now goes away or if it becomes a hard scumread because I scumread him. Like there were actual things happening, like Damdred's big post directing blues, Rels finding DYH and Damdred suspicious, but his scumlean comes off on the one person who he probably expected to afk because it's Monday/Tuesday and who didn't say much of anything. And in the same post, he goes ahead and leaves the thread when he enters it. Your hard defense of Fidei so early is noted, though. Well, you went quiet and then suddenly popped out when two people called you scum... Plus your are going quite the OMGUS + hard defense mode. Def. not a fan so far, kinda remember better post from you last game. @Damdred: So you are saying that the post is constructed since you took quite some time writing it up, but started after the game started? My wife was dropped off at work at 6:01 pm eastern time, my post was posted 3-5 minutes after I returned home. I wrote it in those 3-5 minutes. I'm not exactly sure where you are going with this. Was just making sure I understand correctly what you are saying. As I was trying to explain earlier I was called out for an overly constructed post, that could have come from either alignment, in my first game here and I wanted to find out if that post was NAI due to being written/planned before the start of the game or not. On December 01 2015 09:33 Half the Sky wrote: Show nested quote + On December 01 2015 09:30 disformation wrote: On December 01 2015 09:27 The Shining wrote: On December 01 2015 09:17 Palmar wrote: On December 01 2015 09:13 The Shining wrote: Fidei's scumlean is bad. No one but disfo and Trfel had posted at the time of my posts and I poked fun at the fact that throughout the history of my playing on TL, I don't normally play on Mondays and Tuesdays. Which is why I "went quiet." I don't normally have time to play on these days and I'll be out of here once again shortly. Fidei calling you out on something you actually did doesn't make him mafia. If you're town you should be considering, and possibly favoring, the option that he's just a townie with a wrong scumlean. Nothing he said was false. He literally took true information and made a lean on it. That's the most null thing you can do in mafia. On December 01 2015 09:13 The Shining wrote: Palmar is bad for commenting on literally nothing up to this point but claiming I'm 100% scum. There are actual things going on in the thread but he's just trying to pick up off of Fidei's soft pushing on me to get me lynched. Out of Fidei and Palmar, Palmar is the worst looking one. I hadn't even read Fidei's post, I just came into the game, read the first page, then posted "Shining is 100% scum", turns out I mostly agree with Fidei, so free townread in the process! His expectations are unreal of me if he is town. He said I went quiet and yet here I am so I'm interested if his lean now goes away or if it becomes a hard scumread because I scumread him. Like there were actual things happening, like Damdred's big post directing blues, Rels finding DYH and Damdred suspicious, but his scumlean comes off on the one person who he probably expected to afk because it's Monday/Tuesday and who didn't say much of anything. And in the same post, he goes ahead and leaves the thread when he enters it. Your hard defense of Fidei so early is noted, though. Well, you went quiet and then suddenly popped out when two people called you scum... Plus your are going quite the OMGUS + hard defense mode. Def. not a fan so far, kinda remember better post from you last game. @Damdred: So you are saying that the post is constructed since you took quite some time writing it up, but started after the game started? And ninjaed. Any thoughts on the actual exchange? I am not sure why Damdred suddenly changes his stance on Trfel. Like he said "Trfel might be mafia". Then Trfel goes OMGUS on him and then Damdred says Trfel is "most likely town". Would like for Damdred to explain. On December 01 2015 08:54 Damdred wrote: Show nested quote + On December 01 2015 08:50 Trfel wrote: On December 01 2015 08:47 Damdred wrote: Okay, what the heck.On December 01 2015 08:44 Trfel wrote: Hm, LightningStrike hasn't posted at all yet. Very suspicious, I would have expected him to be really excited for this game since he hasn't played in a while. Disformation, why are you only bringing up Damdred's post now, and not right when he posted it? Trfel might be mafia since LS clearly posted in the thread why he wouldn't be here till later. Interesting... First of all, if you think about it for a second, you can probably see what I was trying to do. You may not agree with my method, but you know me well enough to see it. Second, why would does this make me mafia in any way? Like, why does the fact that LightningStrike posted that he wouldn't be here at the start of the game have any bearing on my alignment? I do know what you are trying to do, and if you are fishing you might want to try a different type of bait. Secondly could be you don't care about reading the thread, and just trying to find someone to put suspicions on. On December 01 2015 08:56 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + I think that Damdred is a very likely mafia.On December 01 2015 08:54 Damdred wrote: On December 01 2015 08:50 Trfel wrote: On December 01 2015 08:47 Damdred wrote: Okay, what the heck.On December 01 2015 08:44 Trfel wrote: Hm, LightningStrike hasn't posted at all yet. Very suspicious, I would have expected him to be really excited for this game since he hasn't played in a while. Disformation, why are you only bringing up Damdred's post now, and not right when he posted it? Trfel might be mafia since LS clearly posted in the thread why he wouldn't be here till later. Interesting... First of all, if you think about it for a second, you can probably see what I was trying to do. You may not agree with my method, but you know me well enough to see it. Second, why would does this make me mafia in any way? Like, why does the fact that LightningStrike posted that he wouldn't be here at the start of the game have any bearing on my alignment? I do know what you are trying to do, and if you are fishing you might want to try a different type of bait. Secondly could be you don't care about reading the thread, and just trying to find someone to put suspicions on. Someone please tell me if I am sane or not. On December 01 2015 08:57 Damdred wrote: You are an idiot but you are most likely town. If you can't explain in a coherent way why I am mafia then obviously I am not. Also this thread is kinda fast and I am still super tired, so I'll go to bed, since I can't keep up right now. | ||
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want to get back to Damdred's answer on my stuff yesterday, but will try to keep that short, since it is kinda dated. I also saw Trfel and HtS ask me a question or two, so I will get to that, too. After that I will probably look into the more recent posts by fidei, rels, hts and I think I should check out DYH's filter. If there are more questions or things to discuss, please feel free to ask. | ||
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On December 01 2015 09:57 Damdred wrote: Show nested quote + On December 01 2015 09:52 Damdred wrote: Its just bad reasoning for why I sort of think Trfel is townish? Like its really really to early for me to be sold on it, but the way trfel goes defensive and omgus instead of sort of buddying up to me and trying to change my mind that way made me think maybe its just town being dumb. like its really really really bad reasoning, but sort of makes me not want to lynch trfel at this moment Yes, it is really really really bad reasoning, especially since scum!Trfel did something very similar in NSM17. In that game geript called out scum!Trfel on his case on VE and instead of trying to buddying up to geript scum!Trfel proceeds to try to get ppl suspicious of geript (even with a short case later on) and tries to emit a frustrated town vibe. If you see something different in this game, that I missed please feel free to point it out. That being said I, too think that Trfel's apology has a very towny tone to it and that it doesn't look like something he did in NSM17... Still doesn't really explain where your super bad reasoning comes from after you just played a game with scum!Trfel, where he tried similar things. xD | ||
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On December 02 2015 01:47 Rels wrote: Show nested quote + On December 02 2015 01:45 disformation wrote: Washing machine running. Here we go: On December 01 2015 09:57 Damdred wrote: On December 01 2015 09:52 Damdred wrote: Its just bad reasoning for why I sort of think Trfel is townish? Like its really really to early for me to be sold on it, but the way trfel goes defensive and omgus instead of sort of buddying up to me and trying to change my mind that way made me think maybe its just town being dumb. like its really really really bad reasoning, but sort of makes me not want to lynch trfel at this moment Yes, it is really really really bad reasoning, especially since scum!Trfel did something very similar in NSM17. In that game geript called out scum!Trfel on his case on VE and instead of trying to buddying up to geript scum!Trfel proceeds to try to get ppl suspicious of geript (even with a short case later on) and tries to emit a frustrated town vibe. If you see something different in this game, that I missed please feel free to point it out. That being said I, too think that Trfel's apology has a very towny tone to it and that it doesn't look like something he did in NSM17... Still doesn't really explain where your super bad reasoning comes from after you just played a game with scum!Trfel, where he tried similar things. xD Don't dare being scum with this chatty tone. That would break my heart I get the feeling that RNGesus is heavily biased against me rolling scum... but that just means I have to make the longest town win streak ever happen. | ||
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On December 02 2015 02:17 Damdred wrote: Show nested quote + On December 02 2015 01:45 disformation wrote: Washing machine running. Here we go: On December 01 2015 09:57 Damdred wrote: On December 01 2015 09:52 Damdred wrote: Its just bad reasoning for why I sort of think Trfel is townish? Like its really really to early for me to be sold on it, but the way trfel goes defensive and omgus instead of sort of buddying up to me and trying to change my mind that way made me think maybe its just town being dumb. like its really really really bad reasoning, but sort of makes me not want to lynch trfel at this moment Yes, it is really really really bad reasoning, especially since scum!Trfel did something very similar in NSM17. In that game geript called out scum!Trfel on his case on VE and instead of trying to buddying up to geript scum!Trfel proceeds to try to get ppl suspicious of geript (even with a short case later on) and tries to emit a frustrated town vibe. If you see something different in this game, that I missed please feel free to point it out. That being said I, too think that Trfel's apology has a very towny tone to it and that it doesn't look like something he did in NSM17... Still doesn't really explain where your super bad reasoning comes from after you just played a game with scum!Trfel, where he tried similar things. xD I wasn't in the game at that point remember young one. Plus he was trying to hard defend a partner so bit different he just comes out of gate attacking. Ah crap you replaced into that game D2... right. Well, the defending part came on later, but so did the actual omgus parts onto geript. Took a look at Trfel's filter from that game again and at first he was trying to ignore geript until around when that defending part happened. So okay, there is a difference. Still, wouldn't completely want to completely rule out a possible OMGUS by scum!Trfel since, that doesn't seem to be outside his range, but I can agree on that being rather unlikely especially this early D1. | ||
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On December 01 2015 16:42 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + Wait a second, disformation...On December 01 2015 08:49 disformation wrote: On December 01 2015 08:44 Trfel wrote: Hm, LightningStrike hasn't posted at all yet. Very suspicious, I would have expected him to be really excited for this game since he hasn't played in a while. Disformation, why are you only bringing up Damdred's post now, and not right when he posted it? Tired as hell. When I first read it I was like kinda amused by the hero thing, triggering my immediate reaction (the first post). Then I read it again and thought that it was a kinda unusual thing for Damdred to post and remembered that I was criticized for a very similar thing (over constructed first post shortly after the start of the game) in my first game here. So I asked him the same question I was asked. The advise itself is probably valid though. You've only rolled town on TL, correct? So if you were town and someone questioned you for a "constructed" post, then why would you ask someone else about this? What did you hope to get out of your question? Based on Damdred's answers, do you have a conclusion now? Yes, only rolled town. I have my previous games included in my profile, if you are interested. Okay, should have mentioned that: my entry post from my first game _was_ planned before the game. I got called out on that, admitted that it was canned and the post got threat as NAI. So I was asking myself if this was a similar case. But kinda more importantly: I have played with town!Damdred twice now, shadowed town!Damdred once or twice and shadowed town!HtS in a game where Damdred was scum and I don't remember a big constructed Damdred post in any of those games. So I went "wait wat?" after looking at it more carefully. Conclusion regarding the entry post or on Damdred overall? Well, I believe him when he says his entry post was written after game start and as such is not NAI by default. As stated before I think the advise is solid. That post is not incredibly hard for mafia to make either, though. I was also still a bit confused about his early read flip on you, but Damdred managed to explain that to me just now. So overall his game is starting to look more like the town!Damdred I am used to. Ah, while I mentioned that one scum game I saw him play: he was way more pushy/aggressive than this game. Though frustrated/annoyed town!Damdred would be a new one for me, too. xD So overall conclusion? Hm.. town lean. Need to look at your case on him again though. | ||
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On December 02 2015 02:45 kushm4sta wrote: Yes I use my own experience as scum to predict how other people will act as scum. But actually I was accusing him of a standard scumtell, over defense. Don't put too much stock in what I say, because I don't have any sort of handle on this game so far. I am looking forward to playing in a few days after the herd has been thinned. My vote stays on Rels for now. Probably he isn't scum but maybe he is and on my phone it takes a lot of effort to change my vote. Uh wat? "I won't play today" "Maybe I'll play D2, maybe not" "My vote stays on a dude, cause he could be mafia though he probably isn't". Though I get that voting on phone sucks hardcore, been there done that, the "My vote stays on Rels for now." part implies that you don't want to change your vote after all? Or does the "because I don't have any sort of handle on this game so far." part means to say that you don't know who to change your vote to cause you have 0 reads? I think I'll leave a present for you in the vote thread, so could please try harder? | ||
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On December 02 2015 03:05 kushm4sta wrote: Disinformation, I'm so scared of your vote that I will try super hard from now on. Sure thing cupcake, but don't worry I usually don't bite. Looking forward to seeing some reads from you. | ||
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On December 02 2015 03:27 Fidei86 wrote: @disinformation on second thoughts this must be a troll attempt, it cannot possibly be his serious thoughts. Still, I learned last time I played that "too dumb to be Mafia" is not a thing. Yeah, last game town also ran in a similar thing with Trfel like "would he be so obvious in defending a scum partner D1" and "why would he fight the uncc Vet"... | ||
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On December 02 2015 03:49 Damdred wrote: Besides me anyway, id wager almost no one Nope, 0 experience with kush. That being said the part Dani highlighted together with his answer to me indicate that he probably is a very cocky player, presumable as either alignment. Can you confirm? Also still working on a follow up post on The Shining. | ||
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On December 02 2015 04:11 Damdred wrote: Kush is kush. He's a bit more lurky as scum but more cocky as town. His meta is easily interchangeable though... disfor are you my town buddy this game? That stuff on kush doesn't help me much, to be honest. xD Still feeling okay with where my vote is currently at though. Hm. I have a town lean on you and my pm says I am pretty damn town, too... so that could work. That being said I am currently not 100% on you. There is a certain thing you like to do as town and I very much like to townread you for it. It has been there a bit this game, but not to the extend that I would be comfortable giving you a full town read for, yet. Alsooo this question is kinda strange and a bit out of the blue? Is this a reaction test to see whether I should be part of your town hood circle thing? Cause it is pretty much an obvious buddying attempt? So slightly confused here. xD So I am not saying it won't happen, but I feel we both have to work a bit more to get this kind of relationship happening. | ||
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On December 02 2015 00:24 Half the Sky wrote: disformation, can you read into what Shining posted after your initial scumread of him? Do you still believe that is scum indicative? OMGUS I have seen coming from both alignments, so same question to you that I have for kushm4sta, can you tie in the hard self-defence with anything else? Is it just the hard self-defence or is it his subsequent statements to Palmar that you see as problematic? Also I can't see where you are trying to go with Damdred v Trfel either, but that was the last post you made before going to bed. Tried to follow up onto the Trfel/Damdred earlier, hope that did help you. Now looking at The Shining's filter for his posts after my read on him. At first he still only talks about Palmar untill he decides that Palmar pissed him off enough to ignore him. I think his tone is pretty town in the later part of this exchange. After that he proceeds to do a bit of stuff, which I generally like. But a few things leave a bit of an aftertaste. The townlean he gives you for pointing out something in Fidei86's post he also disliked feels a bit "easy" and in his later read post he has this to say about me: On December 01 2015 10:00 The Shining wrote: Disfo's early responses to Trfel were relaxed and his posts seem to be natural so he's a slight townlean. He also seems to be fleshing out his suspects before he scumreads them(saying he isn't a fan of me so far, I had better posts last game but not scumreading me. Asking Damdred to explain his read on Trfel) so it looks like he wants to get good reads, not just jump on easy suspicions. If you look closely at the second part... isn't that basically the same as not reaching a conclusion and keeping your options open? xD Normally I get scumread for stuff like this. xD But then we were both town last game, so maybe he has lowered standards when it comes to me and conclusions. On the other hand he could also try to alleviate my suspicions on him by giving me a town lean? Then he proceeds to fight with Palmar some more. Even coming back from being afk a few times. So I am still not a fan. I think his tone is rather town, but I really want him to do some more stuff other than fighting Palmar, since the other stuff he has done so far doesn't rock my world. That being said I wasn't a huge fan of his D1 last game either, but slowly started to like him starting the second part of D2. So while I wouldn't call him town, I also don't want to lynch him atm, since I feel he will be easier to figure out if he gets a bit of time to post some more. Plus I like where my vote is atm more than I would like voting The Shining. | ||
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Then probably going to look into James, Dani and Rels unless I get distracted by some new posts. | ||
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On December 01 2015 09:49 The Shining wrote: Show nested quote + On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote: I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now. TLDR: you crazy trfel What was the one point in Damded's first point you didn't agree with? Do you have any other reads outside of Damdred? So I am looking forward to finding out whether DYH answered that. | ||
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On December 02 2015 06:12 Palmar wrote: Like if he's mafia, he either would have argued, or made up an excuse and left. Because he is town, he wanted to leave but was drawn back to the thread repeatedly just to see which stupid shit I was saying at that time. I think this is legit. Let's not kill him. Huh... kinda makes sense, but I'd still prefer for him to do some scum hunting. :p On December 02 2015 06:13 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On December 02 2015 06:07 disformation wrote: Short break. DYH filter next. Then probably going to look into James, Dani and Rels unless I get distracted by some new posts. Also, screw this shit, call them Fidei and HtS. I really cba with multiple naming standards. Fair enough, will stop it. On December 02 2015 06:20 Palmar wrote: Does anyone know how to make moosy not be terrible? Well, if you throw votes at him he might try to martyr or get modkilled. He voted himself D1 last game, when he was scumread for throwing about a few controversial reads, but couldn't be arsed to explain them. He also was the Vigilante. So in short: nope. | ||
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Well, he was commenting on the actual discussions and trying to reach conclusions on the involved players. But I agree with Rels that his progression/read on Trfel seems very strange. Like I am not even sure if he has a town or scum read on Trfel at the end. So I'd like him to come back and explain this. He also DID respond to The Shining's questions... but I don't really agree with that: On December 01 2015 11:36 DoYouHas wrote: Show nested quote + On December 01 2015 09:49 The Shining wrote: On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote: I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now. TLDR: you crazy trfel What was the one point in Damded's first point you didn't agree with? Do you have any other reads outside of Damdred? In his second point he encouraged us to all make as many reads as we can. A swarm of reads, particularly ones that aren't strong just scatter the focus of the thread and make rereads a quagmire. I dislike lots of lists. There are a few times when giving a more complete picture of how you view the game is useful, like right before the end of the night. While I agree that cluttering up the thread or drowning out certain stuff on purpose is a strategy for scum and not good for town to do, but the comment on only posting strong read is a bit confusing to me. Like if people don't post their reads, and sometimes you just don't have amazing reads on a certain person or something, how is town going to figure out people's alignment? A dead thread with no information is super bad for town. So I rather have a lot of information than not enough information to figure out the game? Maybe I am misunderstanding, but I'd like him to explain this part a bit more as well, since it does not make a lot of sense to me. The filter also looks a bit like putting in the least amount of required work.. but would fit well if he really thinks town should post very little. Though that could easily be disguise. Only things I kinda like in his filter are the reads on Palmar and The Shining and Palmar is not a hard read to make at this point imo... So yeah, scum lean. | ||
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On December 02 2015 07:17 Rels wrote: Show nested quote + On December 02 2015 06:11 disformation wrote: Ah nearly forgot to mention: The Shining was asking DYI about: On December 01 2015 09:49 The Shining wrote: On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote: I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now. TLDR: you crazy trfel What was the one point in Damded's first point you didn't agree with? Do you have any other reads outside of Damdred? So I am looking forward to finding out whether DYH answered that. Show nested quote + On December 01 2015 11:36 DoYouHas wrote: On December 01 2015 09:49 The Shining wrote: On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote: I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now. TLDR: you crazy trfel What was the one point in Damded's first point you didn't agree with? Do you have any other reads outside of Damdred? In his second point he encouraged us to all make as many reads as we can. A swarm of reads, particularly ones that aren't strong just scatter the focus of the thread and make rereads a quagmire. I dislike lots of lists. There are a few times when giving a more complete picture of how you view the game is useful, like right before the end of the night. On the Shining/Palmar interaction so far. Palmar seems town to me with the productive way he is pressuring. I also like his reasoning as he is going after Shining. That being said, everything after this post + Show Spoiler + On December 01 2015 09:44 The Shining wrote: Welp since I'm a moron so early in the game, I see no reason to talk to Palmar now or ever again this game. If you're town, consider the fact that you just pissed off a townie to the point where I'm going to think everything you're doing in this game is wrong. So you can have fun pushing the d1 mislynch in me or leave me around and bumping heads with me the rest of the game. Talking to you isn't going to get either of us anywhere and I'm done with it. Get me lynched if you want, I just think you're retarded and stubborn town at this point and I still think Fidei's post is a lot less fine than you make it out to be so there's no reason for me to try and convince you otherwise. Strikes me as VERY townie. Fast, frustrated, and spiteful. The way he kept coming back for more after saying he was out feels like genuine emotional reaction to being pushed wrongly. Palmar basically pressured something that was a little out of place and then ran with it when Shining reacted poorly and went for OMGUS. For me that isn't enough for a lynch with my feel for Shining's play stated above. You ninja you. On December 01 2015 19:12 Rels wrote: Useful List of Useless People Onegu kushmasta DoYouHas Do stuff or be lynched. Can we add MoosyDoosy to this list? Also while we are mentioning Onegu: On December 02 2015 00:29 Onegu wrote: Onegu VT claim. Be back later I shadowed him once, when he was town and I vaguely remember some talk in that game about him claiming/not claiming VT. He simply does this as both alignments right? | ||
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On December 02 2015 08:08 DoYouHas wrote: Oh heck no. You all don't get to mislynch me my first game in 2 1/2 years with reasons this weak. Seems to me like the vocal Palmar and Rels had strong opinions on me with reasons that made sense for them and everyone else is limping onto the wagon due to confirmation bias or because it is easy with my small postcount. So let's get into it. Rels and I disagree on optimal blue play. Whatever, nothing came of it and it isn't a useful topic anymore. This is in no way scummy. I figured scum know the setup because that was my experience (in another BH game IIRC) however, it has been a long time since I played so I asked the question in case this is no longer standard. (In the same vein, could someone tell me what TMI stands for?) Palmar didn't like that I defended Shining, or at least didn't like my reasons. He now agrees with me, moving on. The "weird progression" on Trfel is just a misrepresentation. I'm not sure how me disagreeing with him and calling him crazy means I have a town read on him. - I'm going to have a lot of afk time over the course of this game. I like sleep and I have a job where I can't post. Still going to put plenty of effort into playing, just don't have a wide window for posting. So you still had a scum read on Trfel at the time? Did that read change? Do you have any other scum reads? Also: If you don't have that much time why spend it all on defending yourself? You didn't even make your read on Trfel clear. | ||
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On December 02 2015 08:18 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On December 02 2015 08:08 DoYouHas wrote: Oh heck no. You all don't get to mislynch me my first game in 2 1/2 years with reasons this weak. Seems to me like the vocal Palmar and Rels had strong opinions on me with reasons that made sense for them and everyone else is limping onto the wagon due to confirmation bias or because it is easy with my small postcount. So let's get into it. Rels and I disagree on optimal blue play. Whatever, nothing came of it and it isn't a useful topic anymore. This is in no way scummy. I figured scum know the setup because that was my experience (in another BH game IIRC) however, it has been a long time since I played so I asked the question in case this is no longer standard. (In the same vein, could someone tell me what TMI stands for?) Palmar didn't like that I defended Shining, or at least didn't like my reasons. He now agrees with me, moving on. The "weird progression" on Trfel is just a misrepresentation. I'm not sure how me disagreeing with him and calling him crazy means I have a town read on him. - I'm going to have a lot of afk time over the course of this game. I like sleep and I have a job where I can't post. Still going to put plenty of effort into playing, just don't have a wide window for posting. So you still had a scum read on Trfel at the time? Did that read change? Do you have any other scum reads? Also: If you don't have that much time why spend it all on defending yourself? You didn't even make your read on Trfel clear. Ah, nearly forgot: TMI is too much information. You know since mafia knows who is town and who is not, they sometimes can slip up and reveal to much information. Though I think I never saw this happen for real. | ||
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On December 02 2015 07:21 disformation wrote: [...] He also DID respond to The Shining's questions... but I don't really agree with that: Show nested quote + On December 01 2015 11:36 DoYouHas wrote: On December 01 2015 09:49 The Shining wrote: On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote: I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now. TLDR: you crazy trfel What was the one point in Damded's first point you didn't agree with? Do you have any other reads outside of Damdred? In his second point he encouraged us to all make as many reads as we can. A swarm of reads, particularly ones that aren't strong just scatter the focus of the thread and make rereads a quagmire. I dislike lots of lists. There are a few times when giving a more complete picture of how you view the game is useful, like right before the end of the night. While I agree that cluttering up the thread or drowning out certain stuff on purpose is a strategy for scum and not good for town to do, but the comment on only posting strong read is a bit confusing to me. Like if people don't post their reads, and sometimes you just don't have amazing reads on a certain person or something, how is town going to figure out people's alignment? A dead thread with no information is super bad for town. So I rather have a lot of information than not enough information to figure out the game? Maybe I am misunderstanding, but I'd like him to explain this part a bit more as well, since it does not make a lot of sense to me.[...] | ||
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On December 02 2015 04:27 Half the Sky wrote: Regarding Rels, I recall him being nitpicky from his town games but nothing about the nitpicking jumps out as scumlike. Trfel why do you think he's being opportunistic with DYH? (It was based off a read progression and not activity.) I am not sure I understand the part on Rels. Him being nitpicky is town but his nitpicking (I assume in this game) doesn't seem scumlike? More things I want to look at: HtS case on LS. Rels. Not sure if I will get that done before going to bed though. | ||
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On December 02 2015 09:21 DoYouHas wrote: Show nested quote + On December 02 2015 09:12 disformation wrote: @DYH can you also try to explain this part please? On December 02 2015 07:21 disformation wrote: [...] He also DID respond to The Shining's questions... but I don't really agree with that: On December 01 2015 11:36 DoYouHas wrote: On December 01 2015 09:49 The Shining wrote: On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote: I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now. TLDR: you crazy trfel What was the one point in Damded's first point you didn't agree with? Do you have any other reads outside of Damdred? In his second point he encouraged us to all make as many reads as we can. A swarm of reads, particularly ones that aren't strong just scatter the focus of the thread and make rereads a quagmire. I dislike lots of lists. There are a few times when giving a more complete picture of how you view the game is useful, like right before the end of the night. While I agree that cluttering up the thread or drowning out certain stuff on purpose is a strategy for scum and not good for town to do, but the comment on only posting strong read is a bit confusing to me. Like if people don't post their reads, and sometimes you just don't have amazing reads on a certain person or something, how is town going to figure out people's alignment? A dead thread with no information is super bad for town. So I rather have a lot of information than not enough information to figure out the game? Maybe I am misunderstanding, but I'd like him to explain this part a bit more as well, since it does not make a lot of sense to me.[...] Will me further explaining my preferences as a player help you get a better read on me? Obviously I'm not in favor of a stagnant thread. I remember criticizing you pretty sharply in the obsQT of your last game for posting a bunch of lists and handing out weak reads like candy. That is what I do not like. It helps me to understand your mindset, better, yes. Did read your comments in the obsQT of the last game. Made me laugh. xD In all fairness my D1 last game was super bad. So yeah... Just noticed that you are indeed voting Trfel. Probably need to look at your read on him and his filter again. | ||
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On December 02 2015 09:36 Damdred wrote: Disinformation Eels Damdred Shining Palmar Leans Trfel Fid (falling) Ls Honestly it's notso bad so far even though I've read 0 filters. Did you put me on top of your town pile on purpose? More seriously: is/are the lists(s) ordered? I guess Eels is an auto correct mistake... but who is that supposed to be? To tired to reverse engineer that auto correct. In the same vein: 2am here, probably going to bed very soon, | ||
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On December 02 2015 10:03 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On December 02 2015 09:36 Damdred wrote: Disinformation Eels Damdred Shining Palmar Leans Trfel Fid (falling) Ls Honestly it's notso bad so far even though I've read 0 filters. Did you put me on top of your town pile on purpose? More seriously: is/are the lists(s) ordered? I guess Eels is an auto correct mistake... but who is that supposed to be? To tired to reverse engineer that auto correct. In the same vein: 2am here, probably going to bed very soon, Got it! Rels! That should have not taken me that long to figure out... should probably go to bed for reelz. | ||
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Some quick notes: I liked that DYH backed up his scum read on Trfel with a vote. I super do not like, that basically his only interaction with the thread was him answering my questions and then vanishing. I also super do not like that I have no idea what he means with less productive: On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote: Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped. Gnight folks @LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels. Didn't he have enough time or was he just not able to reach a conclusion? Does that mean these four ppl are null reads? Why was he not able to reach a conclusion? A lot of questions... Willing to switch my vote... but: On December 02 2015 21:27 kushm4sta wrote: Some consolidation would be nice. That way we could get a claim well before deadline. I agree that some consolidation would be nice... but remember this comes from the guy who has his vote on a person he thinks is "probably town, but maybe mafia"... Plus, so far he has done 0 to solve this game... Kinda perplexed that I am the only one voting him... That being said I need to look into Rels and Fidei when I get home. Also haven't looked too hard at HtS and LS. I skimmed HtS case on LS, which seemed reasonable, but I need to look at both of them some more to reach a conclusion. On December 02 2015 23:07 Half the Sky wrote: Alright, I just woke up, and I am not feeling any better. I'm headed to a doctor's appointment in an hour, but I am hoping to get back in thread barring anything serious. I fully realise I have a shittonne to catch up on - if anyone has any questions for me, or anything specific they want me to weigh on, please prompt me and I'll do so when I return. I hope it is nothing serious and get well soon! | ||
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On December 03 2015 00:15 Rels wrote: Show nested quote + On December 03 2015 00:06 disformation wrote: I liked that DYH backed up his scum read on Trfel with a vote. I super do not like, that basically his only interaction with the thread was him answering my questions and then vanishing. I also super do not like that I have no idea what he means with less productive: On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote: Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped. Gnight folks @LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels. Didn't he have enough time or was he just not able to reach a conclusion? Does that mean these four ppl are null reads? Why was he not able to reach a conclusion? A lot of questions... ++ I dislike that very much too. Especially since this post is 5 hours after his other posts in the series of posts he did yesterday. Yep. =/ Like I guess he doesn't want to "clutter" up the thread with some "weak" reads. But currently he only has very few reads and he could switch his vote where ever, which makes me uncomfortable. Hell, I am not even sure who he considers to be a mover and shaker and who not. On December 03 2015 00:23 LightningStrike wrote: Show nested quote + On December 02 2015 22:26 Damdred wrote: ##vote fidel86 I'll answer trfel after coffee Ugh what you reason for voting James here? looked in your filter and couldn't find anything :o This. Also: How do you drink your coffee? | ||
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On December 03 2015 00:29 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On December 03 2015 00:15 Rels wrote: On December 03 2015 00:06 disformation wrote: I liked that DYH backed up his scum read on Trfel with a vote. I super do not like, that basically his only interaction with the thread was him answering my questions and then vanishing. I also super do not like that I have no idea what he means with less productive: On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote: Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped. Gnight folks @LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels. Didn't he have enough time or was he just not able to reach a conclusion? Does that mean these four ppl are null reads? Why was he not able to reach a conclusion? A lot of questions... ++ I dislike that very much too. Especially since this post is 5 hours after his other posts in the series of posts he did yesterday. Yep. =/ Like I guess he doesn't want to "clutter" up the thread with some "weak" reads. But currently he only has very few reads and he could switch his vote where ever, which makes me uncomfortable. Hell, I am not even sure who he considers to be a mover and shaker and who not. Show nested quote + On December 03 2015 00:23 LightningStrike wrote: On December 02 2015 22:26 Damdred wrote: ##vote fidel86 I'll answer trfel after coffee Ugh what you reason for voting James here? looked in your filter and couldn't find anything :o This. Also: How do you drink your coffee? Ah well, he says who the middle ground ppl are. So these are not movers and shakers... but I still have to guess for the other ppl. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On December 02 2015 19:05 Fidei86 wrote: Eh, I went to the cinema yesterday evening and then spent the rest of it catching up with friends. I have time at lunch time and will catch up. My old town meta, insofar as you think it was different, was before I totally fucked up the last Newbie game, which has really changed the way I view everything (and made me much less sure about myself). Obviously that read was super early on you Rels. I don't think the post you quoted necessarily disproves what I said though. Totally you were a lot more combative in your opening than I have seen previously - there is a difference between scum reading someone and calling someone out. The thing that concerns me about your play over the last day or so is that as scum you typically just nitpick/chase up nitpicks, and do so relentlessly. It's good scum play, as people can't say you're not contributing. I think you're probably town now, with the only reason being that I think scum Rels probably doesn't pick a fight with me, at least not this early. As you say, we have played a fair bit together, so I think you'd be wary of me. That's hardly a good reason, as it requires you having a high opinion of me. >> Not super sure what to make of it right now, since the earlier parts of his posts gave me a strong town vibe. Maybe too tunneled on Rels? | ||
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On December 03 2015 02:58 Fidei86 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 03 2015 02:54 disformation wrote: Hm... looking at Fidei86. That is not an easy one, I def. like the first ~ 1 1/2 pages of his filter up to the post from earlier today. You know that one: + Show Spoiler + On December 02 2015 19:05 Fidei86 wrote: Eh, I went to the cinema yesterday evening and then spent the rest of it catching up with friends. I have time at lunch time and will catch up. My old town meta, insofar as you think it was different, was before I totally fucked up the last Newbie game, which has really changed the way I view everything (and made me much less sure about myself). Obviously that read was super early on you Rels. I don't think the post you quoted necessarily disproves what I said though. Totally you were a lot more combative in your opening than I have seen previously - there is a difference between scum reading someone and calling someone out. The thing that concerns me about your play over the last day or so is that as scum you typically just nitpick/chase up nitpicks, and do so relentlessly. It's good scum play, as people can't say you're not contributing. I think you're probably town now, with the only reason being that I think scum Rels probably doesn't pick a fight with me, at least not this early. As you say, we have played a fair bit together, so I think you'd be wary of me. That's hardly a good reason, as it requires you having a high opinion of me. >> Not super sure what to make of it right now, since the earlier parts of his posts gave me a strong town vibe. Maybe too tunneled on Rels? Currently on 12/26, but caught up with thread. Unfortunately my play style tends to be to focus more on the people I think I have a handle on. When there are players I don't know (eg you, disinformation) or that I struggle with (Damdred, Palmar), I have a habit of just parking them in the "figure out later" pile. It's a lazy trait, admittedly. Will try and snap out of it with my next analysis. Damn. I thought we played in a game together once, was looking at my old games, but I didn't find you. I thought I remembered you being really towny in some game. Probably in one of the games I was a Shadow... So do you have any scum reads atm? Also: On December 02 2015 22:26 Damdred wrote: ##vote fidel86 I'll answer trfel after coffee Does Damdred drink coffee out of containers? :p Also #2: Might have found something, when looking at HtS filter, need a moment do double check timestamps and stuff. | ||
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On December 03 2015 03:10 Trfel wrote: I think that DoYouHas is a really awful lynch for today. Show nested quote + First, assuming that if DoYouHas is scum, he is playing to survive and is not giving up.On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote: Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped. Gnight folks @LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels. This isn't a post that scum would make. Scum would need to come up with an argument here, some sort of post or push on someone. The absolute worst thing for survival is to do nothing. But doing nothing is likely to come from town who can't conclusively find scum, especially if he is holding himself to only using strong reads, as he said earlier. Looking at DoYouHas' posts about 18 hours ago, I don't really think that those posts come from scum who is giving up. It's possible, but less likely I think. Hm? I have seen a bunch of scum giving up early D1 to not give information/out of frustration. scott did this one game (I think it was NSM10), Sulfurus did this in NSM13. Breshke just straight up vanished D2 in NSM17. | ||
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On December 03 2015 03:20 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + Oh, it happens a ton.On December 03 2015 03:15 disformation wrote: On December 03 2015 03:10 Trfel wrote: I think that DoYouHas is a really awful lynch for today. On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote: First, assuming that if DoYouHas is scum, he is playing to survive and is not giving up.Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped. Gnight folks @LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels. This isn't a post that scum would make. Scum would need to come up with an argument here, some sort of post or push on someone. The absolute worst thing for survival is to do nothing. But doing nothing is likely to come from town who can't conclusively find scum, especially if he is holding himself to only using strong reads, as he said earlier. Looking at DoYouHas' posts about 18 hours ago, I don't really think that those posts come from scum who is giving up. It's possible, but less likely I think. Hm? I have seen a bunch of scum giving up early D1 to not give information/out of frustration. scott did this one game (I think it was NSM10), Sulfurus did this in NSM13. Breshke just straight up vanished D2 in NSM17. I just don't feel that DoYouHas' series of posts is that of scum who is giving up. Do you disagree? Assuming that those posts are not from scum giving up, then that means that if he is scum, something changed in those ~5 hours that led him to give up. I'm going to say there's basically no way that he made that post for a WIFOM play, that's just so unlikely that I refuse to consider it as a possibility. I don't think that DoYouHas is 100% town, but he's probably town, and almost definitely a bad lynch for today. Do you disagree with anything? Am I missing something? Hm. Yes, that last post is a bit strange from the perspective. I guess scum would just not post any more at that point and just GTFO... boy this game is getting hard already and it is only D1. xD | ||
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On December 03 2015 03:33 Rels wrote: Show nested quote + On December 03 2015 02:54 disformation wrote: Hm... looking at Fidei86. That is not an easy one, I def. like the first ~ 1 1/2 pages of his filter up to the post from earlier today. You know that one: + Show Spoiler + On December 02 2015 19:05 Fidei86 wrote: Eh, I went to the cinema yesterday evening and then spent the rest of it catching up with friends. I have time at lunch time and will catch up. My old town meta, insofar as you think it was different, was before I totally fucked up the last Newbie game, which has really changed the way I view everything (and made me much less sure about myself). Obviously that read was super early on you Rels. I don't think the post you quoted necessarily disproves what I said though. Totally you were a lot more combative in your opening than I have seen previously - there is a difference between scum reading someone and calling someone out. The thing that concerns me about your play over the last day or so is that as scum you typically just nitpick/chase up nitpicks, and do so relentlessly. It's good scum play, as people can't say you're not contributing. I think you're probably town now, with the only reason being that I think scum Rels probably doesn't pick a fight with me, at least not this early. As you say, we have played a fair bit together, so I think you'd be wary of me. That's hardly a good reason, as it requires you having a high opinion of me. >> Not super sure what to make of it right now, since the earlier parts of his posts gave me a strong town vibe. Maybe too tunneled on Rels? What do you mean "tunneled on Rels" ? The post I quoted is heavily focused on you specifically. | ||
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On December 03 2015 04:09 Palmar wrote: I like how you didn't even finish your sentence on me. Nevertheless, I'm going to vote moosy. Trfel's idea prompted me to read his filter. His filter is absolute trash. + Show Spoiler + It is MoosyDoosy On December 03 2015 04:10 Palmar wrote: It's seriously demotivating to have so many deadweight players who don't play to win this game (kush, moosy, onegu). Well, at least kush started to do _something_... but yeah... Brb a bit, dinner time | ||
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On December 03 2015 04:44 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + I'm going to bring this up again. Please, hear me out, but I DO NOT WANT TO START A MECHANICS DISCUSSION.On December 01 2015 08:37 Rels wrote: Yo. If you're boxer you fucking shut up. There is two possible mafia setups: one with two possible town setups with one boxer each so it doesn't matter. And one when we have either boxer + vet, or cop + vig. In that last case, mafia wants to roleblock their kill target in the vet setup, or roleblock someone else on the cop + vig setup. Boxer claiming would make them know what is the thing to do. Tldr if you're boxer you shut up unless you're getting lynched. Tldr 2 the two people pushing for boxer to claim are suspicious. Damdred and doyouhas First, I will assume that the argument that Rels presents about the BoxeR claiming is 100% correct. No matter what. No questions asked. Just for the purpose of this argument. With this assumption, and two people telling the BoxeR to claim, it's important for this argument to be made as quickly as possible so that the BoxeR can see it and not claim. The thing is, Rels presents a really well-explained argument for this. It kind of feels too good to be true. He's already stopped to analyze the setups from a mafia perspective, and see what they know, and see what town knows. He's 100% sure that mafia doesn't know which setup the game uses, despite the standard Blazinghand newbie game using a similar four-option setup where the mafia team IS told the setup. Like, I know that Rels is good. But is he really this good? His first post of the game, 37 minutes after the day began.... It doesn't feel quite right. Side note, I remember that Half the Sky mentioned that she'd only played with kushm4sta before in Carol of the Bells. Which is wrong, since we all played in I believe Student Mafia IV (one of the Student Mafia games, before the Newbie Student mafias), and kushm4sta was in that game and actually sort of played. He was mafia, so I'm surprised that Half the Sky forgot that. But I just remembered that kushm4sta actually was in Carol of the Bells. If you have any doubt that kushm4sta is capable of playing this lazily as town, look at his play from Carol of the Bells. He had (arguably) the most important town power role in the game. A mafia player baited the role to claim, and the entire thread yelled at how stupid that request was. Didn't matter, kushm4sta didn't care and just claimed his role and died. In retrospect, it was pretty darn hilarious, but at the time it was infuriating. Got noms. @the Rels part: you know that this is a fear read, right?^^ Meh. I don't like MoosyDoosy either. Nearly forgot about his flurry of one liner posts and then vanishing last night... *sigh* | ||
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On December 02 2015 09:21 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On December 02 2015 04:27 Half the Sky wrote: Regarding Rels, I recall him being nitpicky from his town games but nothing about the nitpicking jumps out as scumlike. Trfel why do you think he's being opportunistic with DYH? (It was based off a read progression and not activity.) I am not sure I understand the part on Rels. Him being nitpicky is town but his nitpicking (I assume in this game) doesn't seem scumlike? More things I want to look at: HtS case on LS. Rels. Not sure if I will get that done before going to bed though. Also: On December 02 2015 04:27 Half the Sky wrote: I need to put my head down again since I'm still feeling pretty sick. Going to go through again Trfel/Damdred/Fidei/disformation etc. on a full re-read. I'm also having issues with town reads. Right now, I need to flesh out Trfel a little more, same for disformation and LS. The lynch list right now is kush/DYH, Onegu is straight policy, but there's got to be an active mafia somewhere. Palmar is probably town but this is a gut feel based on how he proceeded with the case. Why did you want to re-read me here? That post was after you asked me some questions, but before I answered them. | ||
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On December 03 2015 04:50 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + MoosyDoosy is mafia and you should vote him.On December 03 2015 04:47 disformation wrote: On December 03 2015 04:44 Trfel wrote: On December 01 2015 08:37 Rels wrote: I'm going to bring this up again. Please, hear me out, but I DO NOT WANT TO START A MECHANICS DISCUSSION.Yo. If you're boxer you fucking shut up. There is two possible mafia setups: one with two possible town setups with one boxer each so it doesn't matter. And one when we have either boxer + vet, or cop + vig. In that last case, mafia wants to roleblock their kill target in the vet setup, or roleblock someone else on the cop + vig setup. Boxer claiming would make them know what is the thing to do. Tldr if you're boxer you shut up unless you're getting lynched. Tldr 2 the two people pushing for boxer to claim are suspicious. Damdred and doyouhas First, I will assume that the argument that Rels presents about the BoxeR claiming is 100% correct. No matter what. No questions asked. Just for the purpose of this argument. With this assumption, and two people telling the BoxeR to claim, it's important for this argument to be made as quickly as possible so that the BoxeR can see it and not claim. The thing is, Rels presents a really well-explained argument for this. It kind of feels too good to be true. He's already stopped to analyze the setups from a mafia perspective, and see what they know, and see what town knows. He's 100% sure that mafia doesn't know which setup the game uses, despite the standard Blazinghand newbie game using a similar four-option setup where the mafia team IS told the setup. Like, I know that Rels is good. But is he really this good? His first post of the game, 37 minutes after the day began.... It doesn't feel quite right. Side note, I remember that Half the Sky mentioned that she'd only played with kushm4sta before in Carol of the Bells. Which is wrong, since we all played in I believe Student Mafia IV (one of the Student Mafia games, before the Newbie Student mafias), and kushm4sta was in that game and actually sort of played. He was mafia, so I'm surprised that Half the Sky forgot that. But I just remembered that kushm4sta actually was in Carol of the Bells. If you have any doubt that kushm4sta is capable of playing this lazily as town, look at his play from Carol of the Bells. He had (arguably) the most important town power role in the game. A mafia player baited the role to claim, and the entire thread yelled at how stupid that request was. Didn't matter, kushm4sta didn't care and just claimed his role and died. In retrospect, it was pretty darn hilarious, but at the time it was infuriating. Got noms. @the Rels part: you know that this is a fear read, right?^^ Meh. I don't like MoosyDoosy either. Nearly forgot about his flurry of one liner posts and then vanishing last night... *sigh* "Fear read" is a stupid phrase (the only important thing it hints at is adding uncertainty/keeping options open, something like that, but it's much better to just say that and be specific). And this isn't a fear read, anyway. To me, Rels' post doesn't sound like it comes from town, and I described why. I'm not saying that Rels' play is towny, but he's capable of it as mafia so I'm scared of him. I'm saying that I don't think that this post comes from town and it's much easier to come from scum. Not making any conclusions yet but I'd like to see what people think about this post. Okay, MoosyDoosy's filter is supar bad and as you have probably noticed I am not a fan. Will respond to your stuff on Rels again in a moment. | ||
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On December 03 2015 04:44 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + I'm going to bring this up again. Please, hear me out, but I DO NOT WANT TO START A MECHANICS DISCUSSION.On December 01 2015 08:37 Rels wrote: Yo. If you're boxer you fucking shut up. There is two possible mafia setups: one with two possible town setups with one boxer each so it doesn't matter. And one when we have either boxer + vet, or cop + vig. In that last case, mafia wants to roleblock their kill target in the vet setup, or roleblock someone else on the cop + vig setup. Boxer claiming would make them know what is the thing to do. Tldr if you're boxer you shut up unless you're getting lynched. Tldr 2 the two people pushing for boxer to claim are suspicious. Damdred and doyouhas First, I will assume that the argument that Rels presents about the BoxeR claiming is 100% correct. No matter what. No questions asked. Just for the purpose of this argument. With this assumption, and two people telling the BoxeR to claim, it's important for this argument to be made as quickly as possible so that the BoxeR can see it and not claim. The thing is, Rels presents a really well-explained argument for this. It kind of feels too good to be true. He's already stopped to analyze the setups from a mafia perspective, and see what they know, and see what town knows. He's 100% sure that mafia doesn't know which setup the game uses, despite the standard Blazinghand newbie game using a similar four-option setup where the mafia team IS told the setup. Like, I know that Rels is good. But is he really this good? His first post of the game, 37 minutes after the day began.... It doesn't feel quite right. Okay. Let me try. So you assume that the good play for town/boxeR is to not claim. Two people say the opposite. So Rels rushes to the help of town and presents a good argument why boxeR should not claim. So a) he is town or b) he wants the town cred. He analyzes the setup, which is possible as either alignment. hmmm... the op doesn't say whether mafia knows the setup or not... and you are right he seems pretty convinced that mafia does not know the setup. This part is kinda strange indeed... The parts about it feels too good and is he this good confuse me a bit though. Like what do they add to this argument, besides making it look like a fear read a lot? =p maybe I should go and read rels more in depth... | ||
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On December 03 2015 05:22 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + Maybe this is just not a good argument at all. One more try.On December 03 2015 05:15 disformation wrote: On December 03 2015 04:44 Trfel wrote: On December 01 2015 08:37 Rels wrote: I'm going to bring this up again. Please, hear me out, but I DO NOT WANT TO START A MECHANICS DISCUSSION.Yo. If you're boxer you fucking shut up. There is two possible mafia setups: one with two possible town setups with one boxer each so it doesn't matter. And one when we have either boxer + vet, or cop + vig. In that last case, mafia wants to roleblock their kill target in the vet setup, or roleblock someone else on the cop + vig setup. Boxer claiming would make them know what is the thing to do. Tldr if you're boxer you shut up unless you're getting lynched. Tldr 2 the two people pushing for boxer to claim are suspicious. Damdred and doyouhas First, I will assume that the argument that Rels presents about the BoxeR claiming is 100% correct. No matter what. No questions asked. Just for the purpose of this argument. With this assumption, and two people telling the BoxeR to claim, it's important for this argument to be made as quickly as possible so that the BoxeR can see it and not claim. The thing is, Rels presents a really well-explained argument for this. It kind of feels too good to be true. He's already stopped to analyze the setups from a mafia perspective, and see what they know, and see what town knows. He's 100% sure that mafia doesn't know which setup the game uses, despite the standard Blazinghand newbie game using a similar four-option setup where the mafia team IS told the setup. Like, I know that Rels is good. But is he really this good? His first post of the game, 37 minutes after the day began.... It doesn't feel quite right. Okay. Let me try. So you assume that the good play for town/boxeR is to not claim. Two people say the opposite. So Rels rushes to the help of town and presents a good argument why boxeR should not claim. So a) he is town or b) he wants the town cred. He analyzes the setup, which is possible as either alignment. hmmm... the op doesn't say whether mafia knows the setup or not... and you are right he seems pretty convinced that mafia does not know the setup. This part is kinda strange indeed... The parts about it feels too good and is he this good confuse me a bit though. Like what do they add to this argument, besides making it look like a fear read a lot? =p maybe I should go and read rels more in depth... The key word is that Rels is rushing to the aid of town. Rushing, because speed is important. And his post is extremely knowledgeable, and is a really comprehensive explanation. I find it hard to believe that he got confirmation that scum didn't know the setup in time to make this post, for example. If Rels was around earlier, he should have been posting. Town wouldn't avoid posting like that. Basically, Rels took extra time to make sure his argument was completely explained and correct, when town wants to post as quickly as possible. This makes me wonder if the motivation behind the post is, instead of helping town, to make himself look better, which would mean that Rels is mafia. The argument falls apart if Rels is good enough to make this post as town without taking much extra time, which is what I was trying to get at. That seems really unlikely, but I can't completely rule it out. Hmm... did he need to wait for confirmation? Maybe he was reading the op and based on that formed an assumption? Though he sounds very convinced for an assumption... So yeah this is shady and probably good to keep in mind. The is he good enough or not part is kinda WIFOM though. Don't want to lynch him over MD solely for that. | ||
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On December 03 2015 04:57 Half the Sky wrote: disformation - my focus was on "opportunistic" being scumlike, not "nitpicky" (second question), which can be for either alignment. I know he mentioned the word opportunistic, so that is why. second question - I will admit I might be misremembering but again interactions with others as I missed some of the key events early on. Getting through your last response now, and then will weigh in on the others. Ahm I get the quote now, thanks. Yeah, it think I was answering Trfel's question and talked to Damdred about his answer to my question and got distracted by kush halfway through... after that I wrote the response to your question but you were already gone. Let me double check the timestamps, but I think this should be reasonable. | ||
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On December 03 2015 05:39 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On December 03 2015 04:57 Half the Sky wrote: disformation - my focus was on "opportunistic" being scumlike, not "nitpicky" (second question), which can be for either alignment. I know he mentioned the word opportunistic, so that is why. second question - I will admit I might be misremembering but again interactions with others as I missed some of the key events early on. Getting through your last response now, and then will weigh in on the others. Ahm I get the quote now, thanks. Yeah, it think I was answering Trfel's question and talked to Damdred about his answer to my question and got distracted by kush halfway through... after that I wrote the response to your question but you were already gone. Let me double check the timestamps, but I think this should be reasonable. Yeah, you said you want to re-read me after my interactions with Trfel and Damdred. I also kust went ahead and threw my vote at kush before that, too. Still want to see a follow up to that re-read + looking at my answers for you though. | ||
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On December 03 2015 06:09 The Shining wrote: I'm here. Work is hectic and its rainy which makes it worse but I'll catch up as fast as I can. Just don't flame me for missing anything. I do see a few votes on MD. Anyone defending him or pushing a diff lynch at all? nope. On December 03 2015 06:09 Damdred wrote: I'm not so sure moosey is mafia. I've given other reads however I think that LS is mafia and I should be sheeped on this. Your timing is great. Was just like... "wait, LS is in this game..." I also remember HtS case on him being decent... can you elaborate further? | ||
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On December 03 2015 06:13 Damdred wrote: Sure LS usually even if he is wrong is a strongish prescense in the thread giving his opinion and trying to get people to interact with him while he gives scum reads. He lacks real reads in the thread, the few he has given have been little substance. The one scum read I can tell in his filter was Trfel that he has totally backed off of. He isn't looking to push anyone he is just existing. Uh you are totally right. No current scum read, currently not trying to find scum. Not that many town reads either... Short question to you though: what was with your fidei vote earlier? What do you think of fidei now? | ||
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On December 03 2015 06:29 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On December 01 2015 12:22 MoosyDoosy wrote: I’ll be honest and say I love these “Moosy is useless but it’s NAI!” “Moosy is a weird af player, can’t read him now!” My name must spread far and wide. Like taking pride in this shit is basically the hallmark of a person too dumb to really play mafia. To be totally honest: I totally do not like MoosyDoosy. Last game, after nearly lynching himself as the martyr D1 he proceeded to shoot a nullread (who was town) over his two scum reads (who where also both town), cause he was convinced he would be able to lynch his both scum reads anyway. I was one of those two scum reads, so I am a bit biased. To be fair my D1 last game was super horrible. So I am probably at least somewhat biased against MoosyDoosy. Meanwhile: upgrading Damdred's town lean to a town read. Give me a few mins to try and forget my dislike of MoosyDoosy to see, which lynch is think is better, since I a) nearly forgot LS was in this game (usually a bad sign) and b) the points Damdred has on him look pretty valid. | ||
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On December 03 2015 06:44 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On December 03 2015 06:40 Trfel wrote: Palmar, take a look at LightningStrike, but I'm not sure that I would trust Damdred. If you avoid lynching MoosyDoosy because Damdred said so, I'll be extremely displeased. No, it's more of an internal fight. I have two conflicting goals and I don't know how to proceed. 1) I want to lynch useless shit people just because I don't want to play with them. vs 2) I want to actually win the game so it's technically better to pray these baddies get shot or checked while trying to lynch mafia. I do not believe your case for Moosy being mafia. I think it doesn't say much about his alignment. His filter is terrible, but it's not mafia terrible, at least not to me. It's just plain terrible. I will, however, look at LS like damdy asked me to. Yeah, that sums up my current problem perfectly. Need to figure out if I really only vote MD cause I dislike his play so much, or if I really think he could flip scum. I fear that Damdy is right and LS has a higher chance of actually flipping scum. | ||
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But I haven't played a game with LightningStrike. I think I shadowed HtS in a game where LightningStrike was gunsmith, but I don't remember/recall him being that emotional. What gives me a bit of a pause is that now nearly everyone is voting for LS. -.- | ||
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On December 03 2015 07:51 Rels wrote: Show nested quote + On December 03 2015 07:50 The Shining wrote: With the amount of voting reminders I've received, it wouldn't shock me if both MD and Onegu were modkilled. But that doesn't help us figure out the lynch here. I will say if either one ninjas in a vote before EoD and doesn't post anything, its going to look really bad. I know for a fact that Onegu's absence is NAI. ++ on Moosy. Can you read DYH's filter ? It is super short. Yeah, his filter is also super bad. I was talking about this earlier. His last post before he vanished gave a bit of a pause, cause it makes less sense for scum... fuck is this game hard. | ||
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On December 03 2015 07:53 Damdred wrote: There is a major difference between someone who is angry and someone who just uses capslock, wouldn't you agree? On December 03 2015 07:49 disformation wrote: Hm, I don't know. I don't really feel the town vibe in his post. Like the capslock turn me off, I guess. Also had to read it twice to guess what his stance on Damdred is. But I haven't played a game with LightningStrike. I think I shadowed HtS in a game where LightningStrike was gunsmith, but I don't remember/recall him being that emotional. What gives me a bit of a pause is that now nearly everyone is voting for LS. -.- Seems like we are in agreement... | ||
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On December 03 2015 07:58 Rels wrote: Show nested quote + On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote: What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is. I also don't like how you sheeped and shut up but posted when being attacked Since when am I your townread? In your last post I was one of the middleground dudes? On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote: Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped. Gnight folks @LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels. | ||
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On December 03 2015 08:12 Rels wrote: I try to shenanni on DYH and nothing happens. fidei says something about kush and everybody switches. fuck that I should have yelled Wanted to switch to DYH, but decided to go into his filter and make a post... I kinda want to restate that post, because I think he would be a good lynch so: His reason for voting LS: On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote: What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is. Last mention of me in his filter: On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote: Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped. Gnight folks @LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels. So I am kinda asking myself where he got that magical TR on me from... Taking a break now. | ||
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Doing some chores so semi-around. Some quick thoughts: NocturneMage's Entry: I agree that it feels a bit off that the first post sounds like he is pretty sure HtS is scum and in the last one he talks to her from both perspectives. But I played with both town!NM and scum!NM and his play is like day and night depending on alignment. You can check out NSM13 and NSM 17 to verify. So I feel he will be pretty easy to read, when he plays D2. FecalFeast At first I was a bit worried because he was super lazy in NSM17 as town (until EoD2), but then he mentioned not being here because Fallout 4, so that code checks out. DYH I 100% agree with Rels case. HtS From the top of my head I feel like there is a certain lack on follow ups. I also remembered playing with town!HtS in my first game (NSM9), where she was interrogating me inquisiton style EoD1 and D2 to get some conclusions from me. That kind of fire is a bit missing here I feel. So her coming back to follow up on the promised re-reads of people and throwing out some reads, would be great. | ||
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On December 04 2015 00:15 Rels wrote: Show nested quote + On December 04 2015 00:08 disformation wrote: HtS From the top of my head I feel like there is a certain lack on follow ups. I also remembered playing with town!HtS in my first game (NSM9), where she was interrogating me inquisiton style EoD1 and D2 to get some conclusions from me. That kind of fire is a bit missing here I feel. So her coming back to follow up on the promised re-reads of people and throwing out some reads, would be great. That's true. But I felt that her tryhardness + defense of LS at EOD was super townie. It made me think of a comment NM made in the obs QT of resistance: "HTS is obvious town 'cause she's stuck in a airport on a phone, and she's still trying to come up with the best team instead of being super passive." HTS being there at deadline and checking LS' meta despite her being sick made me think of that. Yeah, she was generally posting quite a lot EoD, if I remember correctly. Will probably try and wade through the whole EoD mess later. TBH I totally missed the votes piling up on kush, cause I was checking DYH at that moment. I just vaguely remember someone suggesting a switch to kush with a one liner post. xD So for HtS I am currently kinda unsure if the lacking areas are scum indicative or because she is sick. So probably going to re-read her as well... and as I mentioned I hope she comes back with some follow ups, since that might be a great help in figuring her alignment out. | ||
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Will still try to look at HtS, the EoD mess and I only skimmed Rels case on Palmar so far. | ||
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Was pretty sure he is town first half of D1 though and I still get a town vibe from him. @Palmar: Do you have any scum reads currently? Briefly looked at your filter and your last scum reads I found were: On December 03 2015 07:04 Palmar wrote: clearly Fidei/Trfel/LS scumteam game solved? Still thinking in that direction? | ||
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On December 04 2015 03:42 Trfel wrote: Oh, I forgot to address Damdred's argument that MoosyDoosy enjoys playing in the game if Damdred is in the game. MoosyDoosy says pre-game that he may not play Day 1 even though Damdred is in the game. MoosyDoosy also shows that he's upset when he rolls town. If MoosyDoosy is town, he wouldn't lie about being upset to roll town. Then he is never upset ever again in the game, which contradicts the earlier portion, regardless of Damdred's presence and its affect on his town play. Furthermore, MoosyDoosy doesn't actually play at all on Day 1. It's assumed that MoosyDoosy would be happy playing on Day 1 with Damdred, or not happy and not playing. These are the two town options. Happy and not playing is not an option. Like, that's a poorly worded explanation. If you have any questions, let me know. Dude, chill. The case is long and hard (to read). Am also a bit lightheaded. @Part1: You remember that MoosyDoosy actually did post a few town looking posts D1 in NSM17? Which made it a lot easier for geript to read MoosyDoosy. But I don't think he was the only one to realize that, I remember more ppl were getting unsure/dropping the vote after that. geript was a total baller and had incredible reads that game though. So yeah, MoosyDoosy is readable, but it depends a bit on what he actually does. This game I don't remember any posts from him that aren't "lol wtf banana boat, I am a coinflip, yo". @Part2: I can agree to this. @Part3: Okay, Ver's reads sound pretty good... but I am not sure what you want to say with this? Can you summarize the important points and apply them to MoosyDoosy/NM? @Part4: Well, that is Part2 with the relevant quotes added. No wait there is a bit more stuff added. Well, yeah these posts aren't the epitome of town and could easily come from scum. Still feel coinflippy about that though. But yeah the town suggests he is having great fun. Ah yes his comment on me is pretty strange. In NSM17 he was pushing me kinda hard and decided I was even more scummy for defending myself (we were both town). So no idea what he was trying to say... @Part5: This one is interesting. I might have to check those games myself, if I get some time. @Part6: Yes, NocturneMages entry had some odd stuff on it. Actually upon rereading I agree with your post here: + Show Spoiler + On December 03 2015 12:25 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + This post is extremely scummy. Makes me more convinced that I'm right. NocturneMage didn't acknowledge any of the differences between my play this game and last game, which is drastic in the way that I pushed my reads and the method of the reads themselves. NocturneMage also scumreads me for pushing MoosyDoosy, and I have no clue why that's suspicious to him when he just saw me push the strongest players in the game as mafia last game, so he knows that I don't resort to "easy targets" as mafia...On December 03 2015 10:57 NocturneMage wrote: yo, at work, on mobile, finishing work late tonight, need to go to bed right after though and I have seminars all damn day tomorrow. I've not read dick all or followed the game for d1 quite yet, but I'm VT and I'm ready to fuck up some dirty dirty scummers. reading from end of cycle, I'm pretty suspicious of trfel again (I say again because he was scum the last game) but that's mainly because of how he played last game. of course he'd push moosydoosy, he's unreadable as fuck as either alignment. same desperation emotions when no one is listening to him. unless he does this as town. cool story bro, try harder because I'm not scum. The extremely dismissive tone without having read the thread is very uncharacteristic. Last game as town, NocturneMage was very reasonable and methodical, and people said that he was much more aggressive tonally as mafia. The tone used here would perhaps be justified if he had actually read the thread or had actual reasons. I thought of some new ways to try to explain/evaluate my MoosyDoosy read, I'll give that a try after I catch up with some stuff. Have you looked at NocturneMage's scum game in NSM13? Scum lean? Sure, but the 99% is a bit excessive imo. I think the slot is more likely to be scum now, but I am not sure I agree on the 99% slamdunk mafia. MD still feels a bit coinflippy and while the NM posts don't match his town game in NSM17 they don't fit the scum game in NSM13 either... on the other hand his game wasn't really strong NSM13... maybe I should look at NSM13 again, too. But I am still quite confident that NM will be a lot easier to read D2. | ||
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On December 04 2015 05:08 Damdred wrote: I haven't read any of the game since I went to bed, I'm universally town read ya? Then I'll catch up after night post unless I'm scum read I guess. I think 1-2 ppl were suspicious of you. Rels and Trfel I think. Also not sure what you are trying to say with the "unless I am scum read" part. =/ | ||
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On December 04 2015 05:17 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On December 04 2015 05:08 Damdred wrote: I haven't read any of the game since I went to bed, I'm universally town read ya? Then I'll catch up after night post unless I'm scum read I guess. I think 1-2 ppl were suspicious of you. Rels and Trfel I think. Also not sure what you are trying to say with the "unless I am scum read" part. =/ Or to clarify what I am not getting: are you implying not playing if you are scum read? Oo Also: Ninja-Trfel | ||
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On December 04 2015 05:27 Trfel wrote: @disformation (not going to quote it because that was a long post: I disagree with the readability of someone depending on what they actually do. I feel that as long as someone gets to like a page and a half or two pages of posts, you have enough information to get a fair shot at reading them. It doesn't matter what those posts are. Even if it's just a single period in every single post, I think it's reasonable to analyze the timing and frequency of those posts to figure out the alignment. Unless they're actually paying no attention to the game at all. Even scrolling down to the posting box would make them a bit more readable. But anyway, since you probably won't agree with my example, it's not always about what someone does. It's about what someone doesn't do. In this case, MoosyDoosy wasn't under suspicion and he did zero scumhunting. Judging by the three MoosyDoosy games I looked at (I asked for MoosyDoosy's worst town game and that was one of the games I analyzed), MoosyDoosy always does some useful things as town. It's the lack of those posts that is important, you don't need those posts to read him. Also, you're assuming that I can't have good reads too. Which isn't a very smart assumption, you should look at my play before you discount that possibility. Part 4 is a direct application of the same read methods that were used in Part 3. Part 3 says nothing about MoosyDoosy, it's basically a guide to scumhunting. Part 4 uses that guide. Just like Bill Murray's play came from two mindsets (nuking people was not caring/insane, then tried to solve the game seriously) and that made him mafia, MoosyDoosy's play came from two mindsets (angry to be town, then happily posting away) and that makes him mafia. Not showing any desire to solve the game is not a direct application of the method outlined in Part 3, however I think that the reasons why this almost always comes from scum are obvious. Part 5 actually says nothing by itself about MoosyDoosy in this game, it just shows that one potential flaw with the second part of Part 4 is not correct. Both of these two arguments individually are extremely strong. It's when you put them together, use the meta to show that it's correct, and then look at NocturneMage's play that you have a bunch of different reasons all pointing to the same thing that you really know it's right. Hm, maybe it is my problem with looking at trees too much again. xD Also was not trying to say that you can't have good reads, I was trying to say that is was easier for geript to have a good read on MoosyDoosy, cause MoosyDoosy had done a bit more the game both were in. Since I like looking at trees, I have a preference for people to plant a lot of them. But maybe looking at what trees they don't plant is a great idea. And yeah MoosyDoosy didn't plant anything this game. I also understand your case a lot better now, probably looked at the parts in a too separate manner. | ||
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On December 04 2015 07:19 Damdred wrote: None of that makes me scrum, which is sorta funny but oh well. I need lot a more from you nm usually we are great town bros On December 04 2015 06:52 disformation wrote: Damdred, if you are still around, what is your current read on Trfel? ? | ||
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On December 04 2015 07:22 Damdred wrote: I think it's town that's just wrong,.. Kay, thought so. Just checking since your last mention of him was a while ago. Started to wade through the mess of yesterdays EoD, but the progress is rather slow. Feels more like a swamp than a forest so far. | ||
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On December 04 2015 08:12 NocturneMage wrote: ##vote Half the Sky I am also pretty sure Fidei is mafia because he is playing nothing like his previous games, but I am so confident in Dani being mafia I am willing to get mislynched to prove my point. This is part meta, part (anti-)personality, part voting analysis (her end of cycle behaviour was really bad), and part psychological (motive-based). I'll try and put together a case as best as I can though so that you can understand it. Yeah, a more detailed explanation of that would be great. Also, GG Damdy. | ||
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On December 04 2015 08:21 Fecalfeast wrote: no no disform, he entered the game saying he was going to scumread hts before he even read the game. He doesn't need any more explanation than that Yeah. Not entirely trusting NM at the moment. But I also am kinda null of HtS (as explained at night). At the very least I think the case can help us figure out NM, so I want to see what he got. Also HtS has not posted a single thing the nightphase, right? | ||
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On December 04 2015 08:51 The Shining wrote: Show nested quote + On December 04 2015 08:43 Trfel wrote: On December 04 2015 08:35 The Shining wrote: Was waiting for someone to ask that.On December 04 2015 08:20 Trfel wrote: On December 04 2015 08:08 Trfel wrote: NocturneMage is right, Fidei86 should be added to this list.Hrm. My initial reaction is that this means that less active players / "under the radar" players are mafia. DoYouHas The Shining disformation Fecalfeast I really don't know about Half the Sky. It's very hard for me to separate the play from the cold/sickness/whatever. I'll definitely take another look, though. Tempted to lynch one of Half the Sky/NocturneMage and then the other if they flip town, but that seems bad; the scum should be able to be found without having to do that. I'm going to assume for now that NocturneMage is good enough as town that he wouldn't get this wrong, for simplicity's sake, but I'll re-evaluate this assumption when he makes his case. But you think NM/MD slot is scum...NM called your case bad and you had no response to it except to list NM as scum once more, in what would've been your legacy post had you been shot. You left a super wifomy post laying around since you weren't NKd. The fact only Damdred died makes me think there is no Vig but you expected to be Vig shot. Now you're "tempted" to lynch one of HtS and NM. And your had a list of 4 including me when all of those were your town reads/leans. What about the Damdred NK makes your NM read null enough to change your entire tone and scumreads? Was hoping that no one asked that I'm town. I'm the most vocal person in the thread (by number of posts, not thread influence). My second strongest scum read is Damdred, who mafia knows is town, and I've been suspicious of him throughout the game. Mafia ought to know that I'm not going to reverse my read on Damdred. So why does mafia shoot Damdred? (first of all, I know that Damdred is a great player, please don't misunderstand; but being a great player doesn't really help you when there's some bull-headed moron who is going to get you lynched or stop town from progressing at all while trying to do so) I looked through Damdred's filter, and I didn't see any scum reads. I checked for scum reads on DoYouHas and Half the Sky, two players who I thought might be particularly inclined to shoot Damdred if they were scum; he basically didn't mention them at all. Thus, the only really noteworthy read in Damdred's filter is his not wanting to lynch NocturneMage (not exactly sure if it was a townread or a not wanting to lynch read, but it's the same for this purpose). If NocturneMage is mafia, there's no way he shoots Damdred here. And the night kill for WIFOM reasons is bad because mafia would have been in an extremely good position with me scumreading Damdred. To be honest, the night kill suggests to me that mafia messed up. Not Damdred's fault at all, my fault, but I really don't think that mafia should kill Damdred. I would be first think of being suspicious of Palmar and Rels, two players who I might have considered for the night kill above Damdred, but I think they would just let me mislynch Damdred or lose the game for town by trying. Perhaps Palmar is an exception, since I don't think he was here when I pushed my case on Damdred, but still, Damdred was strongly townreading Palmar. That's why my tentative conclusion is that mafia is more likely to be in the less active group that I mentioned. The Shining is included in that group partially because Damdred has an extremely good read on The Shining, and so despite Damdred townreading The Shining for now, I can see The Shining as mafia wanting to get rid of Damdred. But the biggest reason for the night kill is probably that Damdred didn't think that NocturneMage is mafia. Which is extremely strong. That combined with me being wrong on Damdred (partially association, partially doubting my read accuracy) makes me think that it's more likely that NocturneMage is town. Your last scum game, you scummed, cased and shot Geript N1. This game you scummed, cased Damdred N1 and now he's NKd. This is such am obvious similarity that I'm almost inclined to think it's too bad to be scummy but this explanation is a bit long and contradictory, too. The NM not wanting to shoot Damdred logic is flawed. Especially if he had him as a townread, I'll have to go back to that. I personally as scum have shot Damdred before after he townread me to keep that read immortal, and I know others have NKd people that were TRing them before they had time to revisit that read. You also think that Damdred has an extremely good read on me, and towned me, so I'd kill him for it? This is a contradiction because you say its exactly why NM WOULDNT kill him for it. Are you saying I'm scum and scared he'd flip his read on me so I shot him before he could? Then why does that same situation make me scum but makes NM town? He also posted a lot of "why is nobody talking/listening to my reads" in that game... On December 04 2015 04:14 Trfel wrote: I don't understand. This is basically a 99.9% scumread with extremely few possible holes, if any. I've explained it in basically as much detail as possible and explained why all of the counterarguments are wrong. Why does no one care?!?! So that, too, sounds kinda familiar... | ||
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On December 04 2015 09:26 The Shining wrote: Show nested quote + On December 04 2015 09:24 Fecalfeast wrote: Can someone give me a key for all the IRL names people are using? dani = hts alex = ? Dani HtS Alex NM Fidei James I think that's right Dani called me Fabian in one of her posts, too. :p | ||
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Vote Count D1 Kushm4sta (7): Fidei86, Damdred, LS, Shining, Rels, HTS, Palm LightningStrike (4): disformation, kushm4sta, DoYouHas, Trfel Not Voting (2): MoosyDoosy, Onegu So. I would assume that at least 1 mafia is on the Kushm4sta train. Let us look at the read progression on kush.. Fidei86
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So. Nearly all ppl had multiple mentions of kush as useless and/or expressed some degree of willingness to lynch him before the EoD trouble. LightningStrike didn't, but him voting kush was for survival and pretty NAI. For Palmar it is in line with his desire to lynch inactive baddies. Rels and The Shining have the least amount of previous mentions of kush before, but I don't see anything suggesting a scum mindset for the switch either... The kush thing also happend in a few minutes, so I am not sure if the order/timing of votes does have much impact either... Hope I can add some red colour to my next attempt at VCA as this one wasn't significant. | ||
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On December 04 2015 10:15 Fecalfeast wrote: I replaced into one of these high effort games eh? I don't think I can compete with Trfel. This HtS thing is super confusing to me right now, so I was trying to find something in the EoD1. Like Trfel is sending mixed signal, NocturneMage replaced into a super shady looking slot with some shady looking entry posts and the guy I have a scum read on (DYH) hesitates not a second to vote with NM... though after rereading DYH's case on HtS it isn't bad... which brings me to the next point: If I ignore HtS's sickness, she doesn't good either. Can't even hope that Damdred comes in, drops three one liners, and drops some of his logic... Btw, do you have a read on DYH? | ||
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Let me bring up Rels case again. Cause it got kinda lost in the forest. On December 03 2015 20:19 Rels wrote: DoYouHas is probably scum: a solid case 1. Agreeing to a setup idea that is benefit to scum; without being the first to propose it Talking about this post: Show nested quote + On December 01 2015 08:27 Damdred wrote: Firstly for the roles, nobody should talk about this besides an opinion going forward, if you are a named towny you should claim asap, it narrows down the pool that we lynch from and also gives us more to work with. however if you are the Vet do not claim unless absolutely necessary. If you are shot claim if you aren't shut the hell up. After you use your power claim straight away your findings if you are one shot obviously do not pussy foot away and give mafia the ability to cause town to second guess you. As such thank you for your time in reading this. Show nested quote + On December 01 2015 08:32 DoYouHas wrote: I second the immediate claim by a boxer if we have one. boxer claiming is (was =X ) bad for town 50% of the time, so this post pushes a scum advantage. Furthermore, he's agreeing with Damdred on that, not taking responsability for the idea. 2. His Trfel's read makes no sense Already explained here: Show nested quote + On December 01 2015 22:22 Rels wrote: I don't like that progression from DoYouHas. On December 01 2015 08:57 DoYouHas wrote: On December 01 2015 08:50 Trfel wrote: On December 01 2015 08:47 Damdred wrote: Okay, what the heck.On December 01 2015 08:44 Trfel wrote: Hm, LightningStrike hasn't posted at all yet. Very suspicious, I would have expected him to be really excited for this game since he hasn't played in a while. Disformation, why are you only bringing up Damdred's post now, and not right when he posted it? Trfel might be mafia since LS clearly posted in the thread why he wouldn't be here till later. Interesting... First of all, if you think about it for a second, you can probably see what I was trying to do. You may not agree with my method, but you know me well enough to see it. Second, why would does this make me mafia in any way? Like, why does the fact that LightningStrike posted that he wouldn't be here at the start of the game have any bearing on my alignment? I assumed your post was a bit of a joke. Reconsidering with how fast you jumped on the defensive here. "Trfel you might be scum." 2 posts later: On December 01 2015 08:57 Damdred wrote: You are an idiot but you are most likely town. If you can't explain in a coherent way why I am mafia then obviously I am not. Damdred: "Trfel is most likely town." 1 post later: On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote: I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now. TLDR: you crazy trfel "Trfel you're crazy." So Trfel is considered town here. It doesn't add up. ##Vote DoYouHas 3. A total apathy towards the lynch Here are the two posts DYH made after coming back to EOD: Show nested quote + On December 03 2015 07:01 DoYouHas wrote: Catching up now. I can't see any scum motivation behind Trfel's hard defending of me. It doesn't even look like positioning for my flip is even really a possibility here. I was going after him, voted him, thread sentiment is against me. I'm an easy EASY person for scum trfel to keep the heat on. That he ran the other direction when there is no reason to as mafia is major town points in my book. Unvoting. Show nested quote + On December 03 2015 07:36 DoYouHas wrote: Welp, if you don't have good scumreads, sheep the wagon of your townreads. ##Vote: LS Show nested quote + On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote: What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is. DYH just didn't care about the lynch. The third post was only made after I tried to get people to vote him. Furthermore, disfo bought a really good point about sheeping his "townreads": Show nested quote + On December 03 2015 08:15 disformation wrote: On December 03 2015 08:12 Rels wrote: I try to shenanni on DYH and nothing happens. fidei says something about kush and everybody switches. fuck that I should have yelled Wanted to switch to DYH, but decided to go into his filter and make a post... I kinda want to restate that post, because I think he would be a good lynch so: His reason for voting LS: On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote: What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is. Last mention of me in his filter: On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote: Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped. Gnight folks @LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels. So I am kinda asking myself where he got that magical TR on me from... Taking a break now. Conclusion If we have a vig, you know who to shoot. | ||
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On December 04 2015 10:38 NocturneMage wrote: Show nested quote + On December 04 2015 10:34 disformation wrote: Ah actually, upon looking at DYH again... Let me bring up Rels case again. Cause it got kinda lost in the forest. On December 03 2015 20:19 Rels wrote: DoYouHas is probably scum: a solid case 1. Agreeing to a setup idea that is benefit to scum; without being the first to propose it Talking about this post: On December 01 2015 08:27 Damdred wrote: Firstly for the roles, nobody should talk about this besides an opinion going forward, if you are a named towny you should claim asap, it narrows down the pool that we lynch from and also gives us more to work with. however if you are the Vet do not claim unless absolutely necessary. If you are shot claim if you aren't shut the hell up. After you use your power claim straight away your findings if you are one shot obviously do not pussy foot away and give mafia the ability to cause town to second guess you. As such thank you for your time in reading this. On December 01 2015 08:32 DoYouHas wrote: I second the immediate claim by a boxer if we have one. boxer claiming is (was =X ) bad for town 50% of the time, so this post pushes a scum advantage. Furthermore, he's agreeing with Damdred on that, not taking responsability for the idea. 2. His Trfel's read makes no sense Already explained here: On December 01 2015 22:22 Rels wrote: I don't like that progression from DoYouHas. On December 01 2015 08:57 DoYouHas wrote: On December 01 2015 08:50 Trfel wrote: On December 01 2015 08:47 Damdred wrote: Okay, what the heck.On December 01 2015 08:44 Trfel wrote: Hm, LightningStrike hasn't posted at all yet. Very suspicious, I would have expected him to be really excited for this game since he hasn't played in a while. Disformation, why are you only bringing up Damdred's post now, and not right when he posted it? Trfel might be mafia since LS clearly posted in the thread why he wouldn't be here till later. Interesting... First of all, if you think about it for a second, you can probably see what I was trying to do. You may not agree with my method, but you know me well enough to see it. Second, why would does this make me mafia in any way? Like, why does the fact that LightningStrike posted that he wouldn't be here at the start of the game have any bearing on my alignment? I assumed your post was a bit of a joke. Reconsidering with how fast you jumped on the defensive here. "Trfel you might be scum." 2 posts later: On December 01 2015 08:57 Damdred wrote: You are an idiot but you are most likely town. If you can't explain in a coherent way why I am mafia then obviously I am not. Damdred: "Trfel is most likely town." 1 post later: On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote: I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now. TLDR: you crazy trfel "Trfel you're crazy." So Trfel is considered town here. It doesn't add up. ##Vote DoYouHas 3. A total apathy towards the lynch Here are the two posts DYH made after coming back to EOD: On December 03 2015 07:01 DoYouHas wrote: Catching up now. I can't see any scum motivation behind Trfel's hard defending of me. It doesn't even look like positioning for my flip is even really a possibility here. I was going after him, voted him, thread sentiment is against me. I'm an easy EASY person for scum trfel to keep the heat on. That he ran the other direction when there is no reason to as mafia is major town points in my book. Unvoting. On December 03 2015 07:36 DoYouHas wrote: Welp, if you don't have good scumreads, sheep the wagon of your townreads. ##Vote: LS On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote: What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is. DYH just didn't care about the lynch. The third post was only made after I tried to get people to vote him. Furthermore, disfo bought a really good point about sheeping his "townreads": On December 03 2015 08:15 disformation wrote: On December 03 2015 08:12 Rels wrote: I try to shenanni on DYH and nothing happens. fidei says something about kush and everybody switches. fuck that I should have yelled Wanted to switch to DYH, but decided to go into his filter and make a post... I kinda want to restate that post, because I think he would be a good lynch so: His reason for voting LS: On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote: What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is. Last mention of me in his filter: On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote: Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped. Gnight folks @LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels. So I am kinda asking myself where he got that magical TR on me from... Taking a break now. Conclusion If we have a vig, you know who to shoot. I don't have a definitive read on Rels yet, but are you suggesting that DYH is bussing HTS for cred? I'm saying this because he's called her out for near identical (and obviously less personal but still just as valid) reasons that I know she is mafia. Then again nearly everyone was scumreading him? Meh I wasn't halfway through the thread when I started breaking on Dani, but what makes you think this? My big problem with DYH: Look at his filter. Outside the case on HtS how many reads are there? + Show Spoiler + 0 At the EoD1 he says I am a town read of him, when the last mention of me is being in the "middleground-group". So the few reads are kinda magical and can come and go without explanation. And when this is pointed out, he flat out ignores it. | ||
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Wat? I have pointed this problem out, Rels has pointed this out, but nothing happens. | ||
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Also the decent posts, where he is looking at HtS, start N1... after NocturneMage got replaced in... His case is also posted after NM comes in and posts that piece on HtS very likely to be mafia... | ||
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On December 04 2015 10:58 LightningStrike wrote: Show nested quote + On December 04 2015 10:56 disformation wrote: So DYH could have basically voted anyone D1... Also the decent posts, where he is looking at HtS, start N1... after NocturneMage got replaced in... His case is also posted after NM comes in and posts that piece on HtS very likely to be mafia... So pretty much a opportunist? Well, he had 0 scum reads and 2-3 town reads before he suddenly adds me to that.. So you might want to say he had _all_ the options open. And just sheeping his townreads doesn't suggest a high desire to get this game solved to me either. | ||
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okay, okay I can agree that at least one of the two is town and NM looks better than HtS. But pls dont ignore DYH agsin. need to double check a few things in his defense compared to his filter. will be at a pc in around a hour to do so, but i would appreciate you guys at lesst giving DYH a quick glance. | ||
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On December 04 2015 23:21 Rels wrote: Show nested quote + On December 04 2015 08:47 Fidei86 wrote: I actually think an LS Dani team makes a hell of a lot of sense here. LS has given us no reason post lynch to think he's anything other than town (deadline thing is terrible). Dani is in the thread desperately trying to open the door to his non-lynch, for no apparent reason, and despite the fact SHE IS VOTING FOR HIM. The deadline thing is great. LS is almost confirmed town. actually: can you explain that to me? i dont understand it? | ||
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On December 05 2015 00:04 LightningStrike wrote: BTW James I did say some of my treads throughout my filter but here is a list if you really need one -_- Town: Palmar: Meta says town for him here with his push on Shining look exactly like he did to me in Metal Mini FF: Lazy FF is normally town FF from what I remember but I want him to do more work Rels: He actually put out some cases mainly his case on FYH seems to stick out to me a little and when he was scum I don't remember him casing multiple people O_o Shining: His responses and his questioning seem like Town Shining this game. Tfrel: He did try to case people yes but he done it as scum but he seem much more serious tone here but I should prob check the scum game that some of you guys said this similar to his play there. NM: He went super tryhard right out of the gates but my only issue with him like Rels said is that he not as analyical as I remember him being. Null: HTS: Some of her content seems questionable but she not feeling exactly well either but I willing to give her another day for now to have her feel better and post again. James: It might be a long time but I don't think I ever seen james get so tunneled on me ever O_o But his content is okay. Scum: DYH His read progression is very weird like it doesn't feel natural. Plus some of stuff seems like it adds little value. If I missing anyone let me know. Nah, you totally got everyone. *wink wink* *nudge nudge* | ||
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On December 05 2015 00:21 NocturneMage wrote: There was quite a bit of discussion regarding DYH bussing HTS - he has voted her. I would analyse how he approached the discussion prior to him voting her. I had to prompt him to actually vote her, that is about the only thing that I can call into question how much he believed in voting her. Tbf I saw his shit right as I replaced in. His arguments were similar if not identical to mine, mine were based more on out of game information and some meta/prior game understanding of her. Do you mean the discussion about HtS? On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote: Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped. Gnight folks @LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels. On December 03 2015 10:37 DoYouHas wrote: Before you all get ahead of yourselves and this gets lost, lets take a look at Kush's filter and reads. Town reads on myself, trfel, and fid. Scum reads on Moosy and HtS. Convinced to lynch LS over Moosy. Seems pretty suspicious of Rels (#240 & #547) but doesn't really push him. Doesn't townread Palmar like many of us have (myself included). I think it is fair to say that he was at least townie-null on Damdred since it is Damdred's push on LS that got him to change his vote. - Conclusion: I need to reread HtS with the new knowledge of Kush and LS (I agree that the deadline post makes him very, very likely town). On December 03 2015 13:27 DoYouHas wrote: Show nested quote + On December 03 2015 11:08 NocturneMage wrote: hts is a sleazeball as mafia, I love her to death, but I'll pretty much know immediately if she's mafia because I obviously know her in real life and if she's out of bounds with her personality, she is almost certainly mafia. obviously if I think she's mafia, I will case her in a way that doesn't require you to know her in real life. unless her dota friends want to argue they have some feels on her from external behaviour. rels, fidei? I'm looking at you two. although seeing doyouhas' post, if hts got someone lynched who was scumreading her, that is a major red flag in my book. that is routine mafia play for her. dani as mafia will absolutely push the lynches of the people who want her dead. so dyh, what was her role in the lynch? Her role in the lynch was jumping on the shenanigans wagon that Shining initiated. Plenty of people did the same thing and it happened fast. So it can't really be indicative of anything on its own. I think I'm seeing what Kush saw and then some. Gathering my thoughts. On December 03 2015 14:52 DoYouHas wrote: 1. HtS padded her filter with a lot of recapping and clarifying and meta that doesn't lead to conclusions. 2. HtS spreads around quite a bit of suspicion but does not actually push anyone or really take the lead on anything. - She scumleans me, plants her vote, and then does nothing to see me lynched. According to #555 I was actually more of a null read and her suspicion and vote were to get me to post more. There is no follow through here, either pressure wise or lynchwise. - She scumleans kush, points out some stuff that she doesn't like, and then does nothing about it until shenanigans. 3. In spite of all her RL issues she has been plenty active, she is just not really doing anything except engaging Trfel and playing the middle ground. 4. Her play towards LS is highly suspicious. The way I understand it, HtS knows LS better than most. She was reading him critically before any of us and moved him towards null/scum first. She seems unwilling to lynch LS... until Damdred and Palmar take the lead. Then she provides a weak additional reason to not like LS (#627) and switches votes. Does she feel the need to justify her switch beyond just agreeing with Damdred and Palmar? Here is the important part. Right after LS re-enters the thread super emotional, HtS starts positioning for a townflip and distancing herself from responsibility for the lynch. LS is someone she knows better than most. She immediately starts doubting the wagon after he reenters the thread. Her response is, "quick! LS, prove to me you are town!" and "crap, I can't get a good enough sense of his meta in 20 minutes to derail this thing!". With the level of doubt she displayed on the wagon she was helping push she should have been among the first to push onto another candidate. Whether that is me or kush, which would make sense for her, or even just Moosy. Any of those plays makes sense for HtS. Instead, she sits on wagon she doesn't like for 30 minutes and only switches when somebody else will get the blame for starting a counterwagon, incidentally, onto another townie. So he had no opinion prior to the kush flip and you replacing in. Read his D1 filter, it is like half a page long. | ||
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On December 05 2015 00:25 NocturneMage wrote: I also heavily believe LS is Mafia. He's going out after Dani. If Dani flips town, I am giving her my next two weeks' salary and I'll take a mislynch because I am that fucking bad at understanding someone I know extremely well in real life. There is zero fucking chance she is town. Zero. Rels, I can understand you being hesitant because I'm not being "analytical" but this is HTS we are talking about here. She is a weasel when she is Mafia. Holy hells. I don't think I can not believe you. About HtS that is, would have to look at LS again. Still think DYH is scum though. xD | ||
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On December 05 2015 00:36 LightningStrike wrote: Show nested quote + On December 05 2015 00:34 Rels wrote: On December 04 2015 22:05 Palmar wrote: On December 04 2015 22:00 Fidei86 wrote: On December 04 2015 21:50 Palmar wrote: Also, if you can't figure out my alignment that's on you, not me. Town hero and eternal leader Damdred figured it out. Wow you actually do have four pages of filter. Okay. But I do disagree with you viz you "being towny" enough. It's actually not. When you get mislynched its almost always 50% on the idiots who lynched you and 50% on you for being scummy town. That's a really important thing that lots of people forget as town. Dude... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10890802 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10936906 I'm literally the goddamn prophet of "if you get lynched it's your own damn fault". That ties very well into what I was saying earlier about why I should never be vigged. How the fuck did you get these links in 2 minutes. Magic obviously lol. So Palmar has magical appearing links and DYH has magical appearing and disapearing reads, do I sense a connection here? :D | ||
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On December 05 2015 00:49 NocturneMage wrote: and 2/3s of LS' post is (poorly explained) meta. Someone kill me please. And I see Rels is shooting part of that down already. Why is Palmar town in your own words? I think someone said LS relies heavily on meta. Oh @ LS: I will try to look at some of the games you linked later, if I get the time to. | ||
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DYH defense: + Show Spoiler + On December 04 2015 14:38 DoYouHas wrote: Show nested quote + On December 04 2015 10:34 disformation wrote: Ah actually, upon looking at DYH again... Let me bring up Rels case again. Cause it got kinda lost in the forest. On December 03 2015 20:19 Rels wrote: DoYouHas is probably scum: a solid case 1. Agreeing to a setup idea that is benefit to scum; without being the first to propose it Talking about this post: On December 01 2015 08:27 Damdred wrote: Firstly for the roles, nobody should talk about this besides an opinion going forward, if you are a named towny you should claim asap, it narrows down the pool that we lynch from and also gives us more to work with. however if you are the Vet do not claim unless absolutely necessary. If you are shot claim if you aren't shut the hell up. After you use your power claim straight away your findings if you are one shot obviously do not pussy foot away and give mafia the ability to cause town to second guess you. As such thank you for your time in reading this. On December 01 2015 08:32 DoYouHas wrote: I second the immediate claim by a boxer if we have one. boxer claiming is (was =X ) bad for town 50% of the time, so this post pushes a scum advantage. Furthermore, he's agreeing with Damdred on that, not taking responsability for the idea. 2. His Trfel's read makes no sense Already explained here: On December 01 2015 22:22 Rels wrote: I don't like that progression from DoYouHas. On December 01 2015 08:57 DoYouHas wrote: On December 01 2015 08:50 Trfel wrote: On December 01 2015 08:47 Damdred wrote: Okay, what the heck.On December 01 2015 08:44 Trfel wrote: Hm, LightningStrike hasn't posted at all yet. Very suspicious, I would have expected him to be really excited for this game since he hasn't played in a while. Disformation, why are you only bringing up Damdred's post now, and not right when he posted it? Trfel might be mafia since LS clearly posted in the thread why he wouldn't be here till later. Interesting... First of all, if you think about it for a second, you can probably see what I was trying to do. You may not agree with my method, but you know me well enough to see it. Second, why would does this make me mafia in any way? Like, why does the fact that LightningStrike posted that he wouldn't be here at the start of the game have any bearing on my alignment? I assumed your post was a bit of a joke. Reconsidering with how fast you jumped on the defensive here. "Trfel you might be scum." 2 posts later: On December 01 2015 08:57 Damdred wrote: You are an idiot but you are most likely town. If you can't explain in a coherent way why I am mafia then obviously I am not. Damdred: "Trfel is most likely town." 1 post later: On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote: I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now. TLDR: you crazy trfel "Trfel you're crazy." So Trfel is considered town here. It doesn't add up. ##Vote DoYouHas 3. A total apathy towards the lynch Here are the two posts DYH made after coming back to EOD: On December 03 2015 07:01 DoYouHas wrote: Catching up now. I can't see any scum motivation behind Trfel's hard defending of me. It doesn't even look like positioning for my flip is even really a possibility here. I was going after him, voted him, thread sentiment is against me. I'm an easy EASY person for scum trfel to keep the heat on. That he ran the other direction when there is no reason to as mafia is major town points in my book. Unvoting. On December 03 2015 07:36 DoYouHas wrote: Welp, if you don't have good scumreads, sheep the wagon of your townreads. ##Vote: LS On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote: What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is. DYH just didn't care about the lynch. The third post was only made after I tried to get people to vote him. Furthermore, disfo bought a really good point about sheeping his "townreads": On December 03 2015 08:15 disformation wrote: On December 03 2015 08:12 Rels wrote: I try to shenanni on DYH and nothing happens. fidei says something about kush and everybody switches. fuck that I should have yelled Wanted to switch to DYH, but decided to go into his filter and make a post... I kinda want to restate that post, because I think he would be a good lynch so: His reason for voting LS: On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote: What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is. Last mention of me in his filter: On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote: Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped. Gnight folks @LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels. So I am kinda asking myself where he got that magical TR on me from... Taking a break now. Conclusion If we have a vig, you know who to shoot. Show nested quote + On December 04 2015 10:43 disformation wrote: On December 04 2015 10:38 NocturneMage wrote: On December 04 2015 10:34 disformation wrote: Ah actually, upon looking at DYH again... Let me bring up Rels case again. Cause it got kinda lost in the forest. On December 03 2015 20:19 Rels wrote: DoYouHas is probably scum: a solid case 1. Agreeing to a setup idea that is benefit to scum; without being the first to propose it Talking about this post: On December 01 2015 08:27 Damdred wrote: Firstly for the roles, nobody should talk about this besides an opinion going forward, if you are a named towny you should claim asap, it narrows down the pool that we lynch from and also gives us more to work with. however if you are the Vet do not claim unless absolutely necessary. If you are shot claim if you aren't shut the hell up. After you use your power claim straight away your findings if you are one shot obviously do not pussy foot away and give mafia the ability to cause town to second guess you. As such thank you for your time in reading this. On December 01 2015 08:32 DoYouHas wrote: I second the immediate claim by a boxer if we have one. boxer claiming is (was =X ) bad for town 50% of the time, so this post pushes a scum advantage. Furthermore, he's agreeing with Damdred on that, not taking responsability for the idea. 2. His Trfel's read makes no sense Already explained here: On December 01 2015 22:22 Rels wrote: I don't like that progression from DoYouHas. On December 01 2015 08:57 DoYouHas wrote: On December 01 2015 08:50 Trfel wrote: On December 01 2015 08:47 Damdred wrote: Okay, what the heck.On December 01 2015 08:44 Trfel wrote: Hm, LightningStrike hasn't posted at all yet. Very suspicious, I would have expected him to be really excited for this game since he hasn't played in a while. Disformation, why are you only bringing up Damdred's post now, and not right when he posted it? Trfel might be mafia since LS clearly posted in the thread why he wouldn't be here till later. Interesting... First of all, if you think about it for a second, you can probably see what I was trying to do. You may not agree with my method, but you know me well enough to see it. Second, why would does this make me mafia in any way? Like, why does the fact that LightningStrike posted that he wouldn't be here at the start of the game have any bearing on my alignment? I assumed your post was a bit of a joke. Reconsidering with how fast you jumped on the defensive here. "Trfel you might be scum." 2 posts later: On December 01 2015 08:57 Damdred wrote: You are an idiot but you are most likely town. If you can't explain in a coherent way why I am mafia then obviously I am not. Damdred: "Trfel is most likely town." 1 post later: On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote: I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now. TLDR: you crazy trfel "Trfel you're crazy." So Trfel is considered town here. It doesn't add up. ##Vote DoYouHas 3. A total apathy towards the lynch Here are the two posts DYH made after coming back to EOD: On December 03 2015 07:01 DoYouHas wrote: Catching up now. I can't see any scum motivation behind Trfel's hard defending of me. It doesn't even look like positioning for my flip is even really a possibility here. I was going after him, voted him, thread sentiment is against me. I'm an easy EASY person for scum trfel to keep the heat on. That he ran the other direction when there is no reason to as mafia is major town points in my book. Unvoting. On December 03 2015 07:36 DoYouHas wrote: Welp, if you don't have good scumreads, sheep the wagon of your townreads. ##Vote: LS On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote: What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is. DYH just didn't care about the lynch. The third post was only made after I tried to get people to vote him. Furthermore, disfo bought a really good point about sheeping his "townreads": On December 03 2015 08:15 disformation wrote: On December 03 2015 08:12 Rels wrote: I try to shenanni on DYH and nothing happens. fidei says something about kush and everybody switches. fuck that I should have yelled Wanted to switch to DYH, but decided to go into his filter and make a post... I kinda want to restate that post, because I think he would be a good lynch so: His reason for voting LS: On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote: What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is. Last mention of me in his filter: On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote: Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped. Gnight folks @LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels. So I am kinda asking myself where he got that magical TR on me from... Taking a break now. Conclusion If we have a vig, you know who to shoot. I don't have a definitive read on Rels yet, but are you suggesting that DYH is bussing HTS for cred? I'm saying this because he's called her out for near identical (and obviously less personal but still just as valid) reasons that I know she is mafia. Then again nearly everyone was scumreading him? Meh I wasn't halfway through the thread when I started breaking on Dani, but what makes you think this? My big problem with DYH: Look at his filter. Outside the case on HtS how many reads are there? + Show Spoiler + 0 At the EoD1 he says I am a town read of him, when the last mention of me is being in the "middleground-group". So the few reads are kinda magical and can come and go without explanation. And when this is pointed out, he flat out ignores it. 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Wat? I have pointed this problem out, Rels has pointed this out, but nothing happens. Show nested quote + On December 04 2015 10:56 disformation wrote: So DYH could have basically voted anyone D1... Also the decent posts, where he is looking at HtS, start N1... after NocturneMage got replaced in... His case is also posted after NM comes in and posts that piece on HtS very likely to be mafia... (Post#1)Rels Case: 1. Rels is wrong. The value in the information of a confirmed town through claim to town far exceeds the value of setup information to scum. (And this is even granting that scum don't know the setup, which we don't know.) Espousing this does not make me scum, it makes me right. 2. Rels is misrepresenting me and ignoring my actual read progression on Trfel. My disagreement with Trfel on Damdred and subsequent response to him asking "am I sane or not" is not a townread. My mindmeld post was written without regard to Damdred's weak townread on Trfel. My actual read progression: Suspicious -> Null -> Scum -> Town -> Unsure without review 3. I admit I was not an effective scumhunter day1. I had a feel for the game which led me to believe that there were scum in the middleground. I spent some time looking at playres I felt fit that description, but nothing really stuck out to me such that I wanted to push a lynch on any of them. The only thing I felt was a lack of content from LS. I didn't think it was enough of a reason to push him, so instead I asked for his reads on my mover and shaker group, Damdred, Palmar, Rels. The smart play for town if you do not have any good scumreads of your own at the end of the day is to sheep the scumreads of those you believe to be town, which is exactly what I did. And yes, Disfo gets lumped into my towngroup. That was my gut read from the earlier filter reading. Not particularly useful when I was searching for scum as I was choking on town/null reads and unable to find things I wanted to pursue. It was useful in deciding where to place my vote at the end of the day. (Post#2) 0 reads? Townread-Damdred Townread-Palmar Townread-Shining Scumread-Trfel Townread-Trfel Townread-Disfo For what is essentially a 1 page filter with the HtS stuff I get more solid reads in here than your average joe. Yeah, I sucked at getting scumreads but that is just a fact of my Day1. (Post#3) See response to post 1. (Post#4) It is quite the opposite of what you are saying here. There is virtually nobody I could have put my vote on by the EoD and not caught flak for it. Leaving yourself options is when you make a bunch of null reads or spread around suspicion on multiple targets so that you are justified no matter where your vote lands. I looked into HtS more carefully because of Kush flip. NM even brings up my post as the reason he first is suspecting her. 1. Eh, don't think the disagreement on claiming/not claiming is really alignment indicative here. 2. Your progression of Trfel per your posts: + Show Spoiler + On December 01 2015 08:57 DoYouHas wrote: Show nested quote + On December 01 2015 08:50 Trfel wrote: On December 01 2015 08:47 Damdred wrote: Okay, what the heck.On December 01 2015 08:44 Trfel wrote: Hm, LightningStrike hasn't posted at all yet. Very suspicious, I would have expected him to be really excited for this game since he hasn't played in a while. Disformation, why are you only bringing up Damdred's post now, and not right when he posted it? Trfel might be mafia since LS clearly posted in the thread why he wouldn't be here till later. Interesting... First of all, if you think about it for a second, you can probably see what I was trying to do. You may not agree with my method, but you know me well enough to see it. Second, why would does this make me mafia in any way? Like, why does the fact that LightningStrike posted that he wouldn't be here at the start of the game have any bearing on my alignment? I assumed your post was a bit of a joke. Reconsidering with how fast you jumped on the defensive here. On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote: I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now. TLDR: you crazy trfel On December 02 2015 08:30 DoYouHas wrote: I don't like a lot about Trfel right now. I don't like that he made a mountain out of a molehill with Damdred and did a snap OMGUS. I don't like how he is sliding between sheeping Palmar and Rels. I don't like how he is complaining that Damdred won't work with him, which should not matter unless his read did a 180 and he is confident Damdred is town, and I really don't like this: Show nested quote + On December 02 2015 02:24 Trfel wrote: I realized that DoYouHas' activity fits a mafia motivation fairly strongly, assuming that Damdred is town. And still fits somewhat if Damdred is mafia. A strong scumread on me with no explanation, even when pressed. Maybe he just doesn't have a good explanation at this point. Side note, he complains that Damdred won't work with him but refuses to work with Damdred when he gets pressed on his reasoning for attacking me. The conciliatory nature of some of Trfels posts gave me pause since he was so bullheaded with his scumgame last time but I would definitely put him top of my list at the moment. I get the town feels from a lot of the movers and shakers this game which makes me think that scum are hiding in the middle ground, so that is where I'm going to look next. P.S. I wasn't trying excuse a lack of posting. I was pointing out that there are large stretches of time where I cannot post. People seemed to be jumping on the wagon simply because I was afk. So I'd rather see a: ??? -> ??? -> scum 3. D1 can a bit difficult I understand, but not pushing anyone, having no scum reads at all and just sheeping the lynch does look damn scummy especially in that combination. Post#2 Right forgot your The Shining read. The Shining read is okay, so is the Palmar one. Your scumread on Trfel has a bunch of OMGUS added in. And then you give him a town read for hard defending you? Interesting. And your read on me is not a read, you just suddenly decide I am town. The damdred town read is really early when you say you are happy with him? Post#4 Not sure what you are getting at here... Yeah you could not vote for anyone so you sheep your townreads. Easily done as both alignments. Or is that a "I was too bad at keeping my options open"? Didn't you spend quite a while reading HtS as one of the middleground ppl earlier, but weren't able to find anything? Kush flips, NM gets replaced in and then you find enough to make a good case? | ||
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On December 05 2015 01:11 Rels wrote: Disfo: one of NM and HTS is probably scum. Can you chose one ? I don't think this comes from scum!NM On December 05 2015 00:25 NocturneMage wrote: I also heavily believe LS is Mafia. He's going out after Dani. If Dani flips town, I am giving her my next two weeks' salary and I'll take a mislynch because I am that fucking bad at understanding someone I know extremely well in real life. There is zero fucking chance she is town. Zero. Rels, I can understand you being hesitant because I'm not being "analytical" but this is HTS we are talking about here. She is a weasel when she is Mafia. And as explained here: On December 04 2015 00:08 disformation wrote: HtS From the top of my head I feel like there is a certain lack on follow ups. I also remembered playing with town!HtS in my first game (NSM9), where she was interrogating me inquisiton style EoD1 and D2 to get some conclusions from me. That kind of fire is a bit missing here I feel. So her coming back to follow up on the promised re-reads of people and throwing out some reads, would be great. I think HtS is null at best. Since NM is starting to gain a bunch of townie brownies and I believe that his read on HtS is godtier, HtS has a pretty high chance of flipping scum. ...shit. Am I tunneled on DYH? | ||
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On December 05 2015 01:26 Rels wrote: Show nested quote + On December 05 2015 01:24 disformation wrote: So, we might just have found 2/3 of the scum team. Yep (= 3 with Trfel. Still a bit confused about Trfel, but it is possible. On December 05 2015 01:27 Rels wrote: Alright leaving work, see you all later (= cu, later. Taking a short break. Will be around. | ||
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On December 05 2015 02:40 NocturneMage wrote: Show nested quote + On December 05 2015 01:19 disformation wrote: I think HtS is null at best. Since NM is starting to gain a bunch of townie brownies and I believe that his read on HtS is godtier, HtS has a pretty high chance of flipping scum. ???????????????????????? This seems contradictory? That was a recap of my last stance on HtS, you know, from the quote you have conveniently removed from my post. :p So to try to clarify that post: My last thought on HtS was the first bold part, shown in my quote. But now I am starting to believe NM, which leaves me to believe the second bold part. | ||
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On December 05 2015 02:50 Fidei86 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 05 2015 02:44 NocturneMage wrote: On December 05 2015 02:43 NocturneMage wrote: And you Rels also agree with me that Trfel is (likely) mafia as well, is there a case on him, and if so, what page? EBWOP - Rels, why is Palmar town? Did anyone here play with Alex in his last Newbie game? Yes. I also played with him in NSM13, where he was scum. So if you have a question, please feel free to ask. Also: super lol @ Palmar =D | ||
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On December 05 2015 03:18 Fidei86 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 05 2015 03:15 disformation wrote: On December 05 2015 02:50 Fidei86 wrote: On December 05 2015 02:44 NocturneMage wrote: On December 05 2015 02:43 NocturneMage wrote: And you Rels also agree with me that Trfel is (likely) mafia as well, is there a case on him, and if so, what page? EBWOP - Rels, why is Palmar town? Did anyone here play with Alex in his last Newbie game? Yes. I also played with him in NSM13, where he was scum. So if you have a question, please feel free to ask. Also: super lol @ Palmar =D In the last game I played with him he was like a mild-mannered small town lawyer (he was cop). This game he comes out like a Jack Russell on meth. It's just so different. But he did say after our game he wanted to work on getting his reads listened to. Was wondering how it compares to the last game. In NSM17 he was also pretty mild-mannered, logical, methodical and put a lot of work into the game. I think he had one of the longest filters overall. So yeah, he is more aggressive this game. In NSM13 where he was the godfather his filter was 3 pages long. We lynched him day 3. He was barely posting and interacting with ppl at all. Link to his filter from that game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/490503-newbie-student-mafia-xiii?user=NocturneMage So despite replacing into this N1 and claiming not to have much time to play the first two days, his filter is already nearly double the amount of his whole mafia game. So... he either is a lot more aggressive this game, because he is really 100% on HtS and wants to lynch her, or I dunno, he decided to go balls to the walls as mafia this time. I think the first one is more likely. | ||
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On December 05 2015 03:27 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On December 05 2015 03:18 Fidei86 wrote: On December 05 2015 03:15 disformation wrote: On December 05 2015 02:50 Fidei86 wrote: On December 05 2015 02:44 NocturneMage wrote: On December 05 2015 02:43 NocturneMage wrote: And you Rels also agree with me that Trfel is (likely) mafia as well, is there a case on him, and if so, what page? EBWOP - Rels, why is Palmar town? Did anyone here play with Alex in his last Newbie game? Yes. I also played with him in NSM13, where he was scum. So if you have a question, please feel free to ask. Also: super lol @ Palmar =D In the last game I played with him he was like a mild-mannered small town lawyer (he was cop). This game he comes out like a Jack Russell on meth. It's just so different. But he did say after our game he wanted to work on getting his reads listened to. Was wondering how it compares to the last game. In NSM17 he was also pretty mild-mannered, logical, methodical and put a lot of work into the game. I think he had one of the longest filters overall. So yeah, he is more aggressive this game. In NSM13 where he was the godfather his filter was 3 pages long. We lynched him day 3. He was barely posting and interacting with ppl at all. Link to his filter from that game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/490503-newbie-student-mafia-xiii?user=NocturneMage So despite replacing into this N1 and claiming not to have much time to play the first two days, his filter is already nearly double the amount of his whole mafia game. So... he either is a lot more aggressive this game, because he is really 100% on HtS and wants to lynch her, or I dunno, he decided to go balls to the walls as mafia this time. I think the first one is more likely. Also look at how much his first posts in his mafia game are super awkward and "no clue what to actually say here". I think he enjoys playing town far more than scum. | ||
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On December 05 2015 03:44 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + So why isn't he scum pushing scum?On December 05 2015 03:37 Rels wrote: Trfel: because if he's scum pushing town he will be killed as soon as Hts flips town. Except for the activity, NocturneMage's filter seems really bad. I'm not sure how to reconcile the two. I'm sure that if you make that many posts in that short of a time, town would make some errors. But he seems to forget who he's scumreading, and is just throwing reasons to scumread everyone. The way he's so focused on randomly (imo nonsensically) pushing four people (with read progressions that don't make sense) and completely ignores everyone else without discussing them at all doesn't feel towny at all. But that's not really mafia motivation, and is probably unreliable. But so is activity. I think that townreading NocturneMage for activity alone is really bad here. He played one scumgame and hated it, and now he's in this game and is pushing things really aggressively and posting a ton. How could he be scum here? Hm... I absolutely hated my first scum game and barely played at all. In my second scum game, I destroyed town and was a top townread for basically everyone most of the game. There are other factors too, like he finally gets to play with Half the Sky, he's clearly excited to play mafia again (the game, not alignment), that could potentially cause the higher activity as mafia. Hmmm... not that you aren't right here, but I can't see scum!NM posting something like this: On December 05 2015 00:25 NocturneMage wrote: I also heavily believe LS is Mafia. He's going out after Dani. If Dani flips town, I am giving her my next two weeks' salary and I'll take a mislynch because I am that fucking bad at understanding someone I know extremely well in real life. There is zero fucking chance she is town. Zero. Rels, I can understand you being hesitant because I'm not being "analytical" but this is HTS we are talking about here. She is a weasel when she is Mafia. Don't think scum!NM would just go for the yolo misslynch on town!HtS, for the fun, and then just get lynched in return... unless both are scum. That way he would get tons of town cred if we lynch her today and she flips red. *scratches head* | ||
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On December 05 2015 00:30 LightningStrike wrote: NM read my past games please? It will make you understand me as a player better O_o I had linked you some of my past games(including all my scum games): Show nested quote + On December 04 2015 23:31 LightningStrike wrote: Ugh I couldn't be assed to be coached esp in my last scum where I got coached by Bill to lynch WGS(wherebugsgo) O_o http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486363-witchcraft-mini-mafia-iii?user=LightningStrike here are more scum games you can check and some town games for you to check out Alex: Scum games: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471489-student-mafia-iv-new-newish-players-welcome?user=LightningStrike http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476732-jack-of-all-trades-mafia?user=LightningStrike http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480042-tl-mafia-lxx-guardians-of-the-galaxy?user=LightningStrike http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486363-witchcraft-mini-mafia-iii?user=LightningStrike Some town games: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/483087-newbie-student-mafia-viii?user=LightningStrike http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/487093-mafia-in-the-himalayas?user=LightningStrike http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?user=LightningStrike http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494873-battle-of-the-drams-mafia?user=LightningStrike Scrolled through these while eatings. Observations: You don't like being scum. Your filter is really short when scum. Your latest scum game (the first one on top) was kinda depressing. =p Tone wise I'd rather put you on the town side of things. But I don't feel like I really want to look into these games too hard, when we also have a game going on. | ||
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As per my pre game excuse I won't have time to play tomorrow. I am at my parents' in the afternoon and go to a friends' straight from there. Will miss the deadline by an hour or something. I might get a few phone posts in here and there, but don't count on it. Will be here for another like 4 hours, so if you have questions: shoot now before you regret it. So I am currently at: town Palmar Rels The Shining town leans NoctuneMage FF LightningStrike scum Half the Sky DoYouHas wtf bananaboat Trfel Super sleeping on and need to read the filter Fidei86 | ||
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On December 05 2015 07:42 NocturneMage wrote: hang on a second, why are you townreading ls? On December 05 2015 05:20 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On December 05 2015 00:30 LightningStrike wrote: NM read my past games please? It will make you understand me as a player better O_o I had linked you some of my past games(including all my scum games): On December 04 2015 23:31 LightningStrike wrote: Ugh I couldn't be assed to be coached esp in my last scum where I got coached by Bill to lynch WGS(wherebugsgo) O_o http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486363-witchcraft-mini-mafia-iii?user=LightningStrike here are more scum games you can check and some town games for you to check out Alex: Scum games: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471489-student-mafia-iv-new-newish-players-welcome?user=LightningStrike http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476732-jack-of-all-trades-mafia?user=LightningStrike http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480042-tl-mafia-lxx-guardians-of-the-galaxy?user=LightningStrike http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486363-witchcraft-mini-mafia-iii?user=LightningStrike Some town games: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/483087-newbie-student-mafia-viii?user=LightningStrike http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/487093-mafia-in-the-himalayas?user=LightningStrike http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?user=LightningStrike http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494873-battle-of-the-drams-mafia?user=LightningStrike Scrolled through these while eatings. Observations: You don't like being scum. Your filter is really short when scum. Your latest scum game (the first one on top) was kinda depressing. =p Tone wise I'd rather put you on the town side of things. But I don't feel like I really want to look into these games too hard, when we also have a game going on. | ||
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On December 05 2015 07:44 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On December 05 2015 07:42 NocturneMage wrote: hang on a second, why are you townreading ls? Show nested quote + On December 05 2015 05:20 disformation wrote: On December 05 2015 00:30 LightningStrike wrote: NM read my past games please? It will make you understand me as a player better O_o I had linked you some of my past games(including all my scum games): On December 04 2015 23:31 LightningStrike wrote: Ugh I couldn't be assed to be coached esp in my last scum where I got coached by Bill to lynch WGS(wherebugsgo) O_o http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486363-witchcraft-mini-mafia-iii?user=LightningStrike here are more scum games you can check and some town games for you to check out Alex: Scum games: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471489-student-mafia-iv-new-newish-players-welcome?user=LightningStrike http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476732-jack-of-all-trades-mafia?user=LightningStrike http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480042-tl-mafia-lxx-guardians-of-the-galaxy?user=LightningStrike http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486363-witchcraft-mini-mafia-iii?user=LightningStrike Some town games: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/483087-newbie-student-mafia-viii?user=LightningStrike http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/487093-mafia-in-the-himalayas?user=LightningStrike http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?user=LightningStrike http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494873-battle-of-the-drams-mafia?user=LightningStrike Scrolled through these while eatings. Observations: You don't like being scum. Your filter is really short when scum. Your latest scum game (the first one on top) was kinda depressing. =p Tone wise I'd rather put you on the town side of things. But I don't feel like I really want to look into these games too hard, when we also have a game going on. It is not a slam dunk set in stone thing, but when looking at his past games, I feel this one is looking more in line with his town games. Especially compared to his kinda depressing last scum game. So more likely to be town!LS than scum!LS. | ||
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On December 05 2015 08:12 Fecalfeast wrote: Ok am at work what's up boys I see hts still hasn't popped up? Guess she gave up? Hmmm... I think her last post was at start of N1 when kush flipped? So possible. Currently looking at Fidei86's filter. Any questions for me while I am around? Have you looked at DYH, yet? | ||
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On December 05 2015 08:39 NocturneMage wrote: Show nested quote + On December 05 2015 08:27 Fecalfeast wrote: I think the fidei palmar interaction has palmar looking towny while fidei came out looking a little worse to me. One thing I remember that I'll dig up is On December 04 2015 22:59 Palmar wrote: You're overthinking (possibly suspiciously?) You said it best yourself, now we kill hts. On December 04 2015 23:02 Fidei86 wrote: Lets leave it there and see what everyone else has to say. Don't want to hijack the thread totally. Which looks a little too much like he's trying to avoid palmar expanding further on his possible suspicions and/or not wanting to slip up and further those suspicions. didn't fidei say something along the lines of not wanting to spam the thread? could work in paralle with hijacking the thread? although I can see where you are coming from, I just remembered fidei's first post. he doesn't seem to like spam. Yeah, his first post said he didn't want ppl to spam the thread. | ||
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On December 05 2015 08:37 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + I had a moment of doubt that maybe, just maybe Half the Sky is town.On December 03 2015 07:43 Half the Sky wrote: I got through LS's Drams filter, he had school/schoolwork in that game too but had way more pointed reads. Shining was spot on. I checked LightningStrike's Day 1 from Battle of the Drams mafia and I did not see the difference described above (compared to this game). Show nested quote + The Shining also said that LightningStrike's Battle of the Drams Mafia filter had more reads and was more pointed than this game.On December 03 2015 07:28 The Shining wrote: On December 03 2015 07:25 Half the Sky wrote: This is LS and he generally is a very emotional player. I know others can fake emotion but this IS LS. LS, what do you think of Trfel and what do you think of Damdred? Talk to us for cripe's sake if you are town, you have half an hour. Let me check Warcraft 3 since I am assuming that's the game that Shining is referring to? Drams is the game. And comparing the filters from the two games, there is a lot more reads and content from him in Drams then here over 2 pages. And his questions were much more pointed. Here is his filter. Can I get a fourth opinion? I counted 1 scumread on Day 1 in both filters, just this game he made the read (basically) himself and in that game it was purely sheeped. I didn't look too much at town reads, but I felt it was fairly similar (do note that Battle of the Drams was probably twice as long Day 1 as this game was, thus much more opportunity for reads). The question is, am I right, and if so, how possible is it for town to interpret this filter the other way? Uh, was looking at the first 5 pages of his filter... which reads? Like I saw very few town reads and his scum reads where more like "I could lynch one of those three". So not pointed at all... But I found this gem: On October 03 2015 07:36 LightningStrike wrote: Show nested quote + On October 03 2015 07:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Seriously what teh fuck is wrong with people? "LightningStrike could you read the thread before you post because... you know that's how this game is played?" "Every time I tried to talk to Rayn I felt like I hitting a brickwall voer and over and just gave up trying to talk since he so tunneled." BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT"! YOU TREATED ME THE SAME FUCKING WAY YOU DID WHEN I DIDN'T READ THE FUCKING OP RIGHT IN OUR LAST GAME AND YOU EXPECT ME TO BE SCUM FOR THE SAME FUCKING THING I DID AS TOWN? JESUS CHRIST YOU'RE BAD So he DOES that when he is town... | ||
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On December 05 2015 09:32 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + The second quote was after the point where The Shining stopped reading, though. So you can't guarantee that he would have seen it.On December 05 2015 09:13 disformation wrote: On December 05 2015 08:37 Trfel wrote: On December 03 2015 07:43 Half the Sky wrote: I had a moment of doubt that maybe, just maybe Half the Sky is town.I got through LS's Drams filter, he had school/schoolwork in that game too but had way more pointed reads. Shining was spot on. I checked LightningStrike's Day 1 from Battle of the Drams mafia and I did not see the difference described above (compared to this game). On December 03 2015 07:28 The Shining wrote: The Shining also said that LightningStrike's Battle of the Drams Mafia filter had more reads and was more pointed than this game.On December 03 2015 07:25 Half the Sky wrote: This is LS and he generally is a very emotional player. I know others can fake emotion but this IS LS. LS, what do you think of Trfel and what do you think of Damdred? Talk to us for cripe's sake if you are town, you have half an hour. Let me check Warcraft 3 since I am assuming that's the game that Shining is referring to? Drams is the game. And comparing the filters from the two games, there is a lot more reads and content from him in Drams then here over 2 pages. And his questions were much more pointed. Here is his filter. Can I get a fourth opinion? I counted 1 scumread on Day 1 in both filters, just this game he made the read (basically) himself and in that game it was purely sheeped. I didn't look too much at town reads, but I felt it was fairly similar (do note that Battle of the Drams was probably twice as long Day 1 as this game was, thus much more opportunity for reads). The question is, am I right, and if so, how possible is it for town to interpret this filter the other way? Uh, was looking at the first 5 pages of his filter... which reads? Like I saw very few town reads and his scum reads where more like "I could lynch one of those three". So not pointed at all... But I found this gem: On October 03 2015 07:36 LightningStrike wrote: On October 03 2015 07:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Seriously what teh fuck is wrong with people? "LightningStrike could you read the thread before you post because... you know that's how this game is played?" "Every time I tried to talk to Rayn I felt like I hitting a brickwall voer and over and just gave up trying to talk since he so tunneled." BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT"! YOU TREATED ME THE SAME FUCKING WAY YOU DID WHEN I DIDN'T READ THE FUCKING OP RIGHT IN OUR LAST GAME AND YOU EXPECT ME TO BE SCUM FOR THE SAME FUCKING THING I DID AS TOWN? JESUS CHRIST YOU'RE BAD So he DOES that when he is town... How would you compare LightningStrike's filter (pre-yelling) this game to the Day 1 (and only the Day 1) of his filter last game? And thanks a bunch for reading through that and sharing your thoughts np, dude. Hmm... his first post this game has like more reads than his whole D1 in Drams? Though he posts a very similar post a bit later in Drams. Didn't he arrive a bit late in the thread this game? Otherwise with looking at the context of Drams (117 pages D1, not reading that), I don't see any glaring differences in his posts, when compared to this. He has a pretty conversationalist style and doesn't seem to do cases, so from just reading his filter it is not easy to see the entire process. If you think I missed something, please feel free to point that out. | ||
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I guess disformation is probably town, but he could be mafia. However, I'm assuming that he is town. okay? Can I be a planar dragon, too? I've always wanted to be a planar dragon! Well, that post will take a while to properly read and write an answer to. Will take a shower, get myself something to drink and try to write something up before I fall asleep (it is already 2 am here). | ||
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On December 05 2015 11:07 Fecalfeast wrote: Show nested quote + On December 05 2015 11:01 Trfel wrote: On December 05 2015 10:55 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm fairly suspicious of DoYouHas. I'm not really sure what implications a Half the Sky scum flip would have on DoYouHas.On December 05 2015 10:29 Trfel wrote: On December 05 2015 10:06 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm clearly not playing this game right because I actually really, really like what disformation says here. But I didn't care that much when he first said it On December 04 2015 10:51 disformation wrote: Too make my argument a bit more readable:
Wat? I have pointed this problem out, Rels has pointed this out, but nothing happens. can you flesh out why you think this progression is scummy any further? I'm looking at this filter and while it's a little short on portion size it's looking pretty well explained. Not to mention the fact that if HTS flips red here the fact remains that he brought her up as a potential target before NM + Show Spoiler + On December 03 2015 11:08 NocturneMage wrote: hts is a sleazeball as mafia, I love her to death, but I'll pretty much know immediately if she's mafia because I obviously know her in real life and if she's out of bounds with her personality, she is almost certainly mafia. obviously if I think she's mafia, I will case her in a way that doesn't require you to know her in real life. unless her dota friends want to argue they have some feels on her from external behaviour. rels, fidei? I'm looking at you two. although seeing doyouhas' post, if hts got someone lynched who was scumreading her, that is a major red flag in my book. that is routine mafia play for her. dani as mafia will absolutely push the lynches of the people who want her dead. so dyh, what was her role in the lynch? Basically, DoYouHas (in the middle of Day 1 ish) stated that he was going to take a look at the people in the "middle" (because he felt that the most active/vocal people were town). Fair enough. He looked at Fidei86, Half the Sky, LightningStrike, and disformation, and didn't get anything out of it. I'm not sure if this means he didn't get any scumreads out of this or if he didn't get any reads at all from this, if I can catch DoYouHas sometime I'd like to ask this. From this, two things happened. First, he came up with a townread on disformation (because he was sheeping the wagon of his townreads, and mentioned disformation). Second, he got a scumread and case on Half the Sky Night 1, despite not getting much scummy (presumably) from her filter earlier. Hm, I guess this makes sense. Maybe I need to look more closely but let's assume there's no shenanigans tomorrow and HTS flips red. What does that make you think of DYH? Do you have any thoughts about NocturneMage or anyone else that you want to talk about? DYH brought up HTS as possibler scum before NM and NM referenced DYH in his post calling HTS scummy. I think NM's entrance set a bit of a scummy tone initially but his recent postings have been pointed and he seems to be following a logical thought progression. He's obviously very confident in his HTS read which is why I'm sheeped all over that. I think NM is towny though I'm pretty allergic to deep reading right now. also he has 5 pages after replacing in night 1, is NM known to be a high effort scum? In NM's only scum game so far, where he was the godfather and got lynched on D3, he had a 3 page filter. And if HtS flips scum (probably will), I will look at the votes, their timings and the reasons for the vote. Yes, DYH did bring up HtS first. But this was after he had previously found nothing in her filter and MD got replaced by NM. NM also mentioned that HtS is good at coaching. Since DYH case on HtS is of a much higher quality than his previous posts, I could see him being coached on that. So yeah, I think this has a good chance of being a bus. | ||
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On December 05 2015 09:54 Trfel wrote: I think I am going to (for now) make the assumption that Rels is town because I need him to be town. And disformation, too. The following is to Rels and disformation. + Show Spoiler + Step 1: I'm town + Show Spoiler + Hi, I'm town. Rels, Remember that first game we played together? The Newbie game? Where I was mafia with WaveofShadow and we dominated? I looked really good for most of that game, and I was scum. The game after that, I didn't play for ~two days, nearly got mislynched a few times I think, and ended up completely throwing the game for town. And the last two town games I've played, I was a lynch candidate throughout (though never seriously a wagon). My point being that for some players (I'd say most), how "good" or "bad" they look (aka thread standing/status) doesn't really show their alignment. In this game, I have been scumread a ton for my read progression at the start of Day 2. My play at this time was bad, because I made night kill analysis that had too many assumptions and was too likely to be wrong. And I changed my reads based on this analysis. However, there is no mafia motivation for doing this and at face value it does not say anything about my alignment. Having just come off of a game as scum, I'm obviously town in this game because I often have trouble playing town after being scum, much less being mafia. That argument aside, my reads are based on completely different things this game than they are as scum. It's easy for me to look through a filter and call the person scum because of it, it's a lot harder to go through and analyze the mafia motivation and the ways that they could be town. I realize that this is self-meta and I am aware of it, but two things. First, I don't think it's something I can effectively replicate as mafia (though I've never tried). Second, it's extremely town motivated; you can evaluate my read progression for yourself, I think it's obvious that I am putting critical thought into the game and trying to consider things from every angle. Other than the aforementioned night kill analysis, I think that my play has been fairly solid. I haven't really been scumread for anything other than the night kill analysis (and my read changes caused by it) and "playing to my scum meta", both arguments I have dismissed. Step 2: I think that too many people are mafia + Show Spoiler + I think that DoYouHas could maybe be mafia, his activity has seemed really low, however the case on Half the Sky (assuming for the moment that Half the Sky is scum) feels genuine. I don't have as much problem with the "I got nothing on Half the Sky" then "here's why Half the Sky is mafia" because his biggest point came after the first thing was said, but I need to check and see. I'm assuming that you are town because I am. I haven't looked at Fidei86 yet, but his activity has been really high lately. I've heard people use meta to say that high activity makes him 100% town, however that's not too reliable and I should look. I think that Half the Sky is mafia. I think that LightningStrike is town for a few reasons, but there's a small chance he could be mafia. I think that The Shining is maybe town, but I haven't looked at him in a while. His play seemed very different after everyone stopped pushing him, I haven't really felt his thread presence much (though I could easily be wrong on both of these points). I liked his townread of me, but given that everyone else thinks the opposite this might actually suggest that he is mafia. And finally, I have no clue how he concluded that LightningStrike is scum in this game due to comparison with his Drams mafia filter. I guess disformation is probably town, but he could be mafia. However, I'm assuming that he is town. I think that NocturneMage is sort of mafia. I think that Fecalfeast is sort of town, but he could be mafia. I think that Palmar may be mafia. Basically, that's seven people I think may be mafia with a reasonable enough chance (and that's not including my assumption that you two are town). Which is way too many. It is probably safe imo to consider Fecalfeast as town, leaving six people: Fidei86 (just because I haven't looked at him), Half the Sky, The Shining, NocturneMage, DoYouHas, and Palmar. Which still feels like a lot, given that I'm not completely sold on everyone else. This makes it really hard for me to be confident in my reads because I'm suspicious of so many people? It makes me feel like I'm doing something wrong, like I'm stretching on my reasons to scumread people. I need some help/advice here? Step 3: I think that NocturneMage is mafia. I'm either right about this with great reasons, or I'm wrong, all my reasons are garbage, and NocturneMage is the most obvious town in the game. There's nothing in between, and this annoys me. + Show Spoiler + First of all, NocturneMage has been really really good at making himself look good and making me look really really bad. I don't know if this is indicative of him being town or mafia, but I need to say this first. I feel that I've raised several good points against NocturneMage, and he's really good at seemingly dismissing them (without actually dismissing them) in a way that makes me look really bad (objectively bad, not necessarily alignment indicative, usually). He's able to do this because I've been saying way too much, and I haven't been focusing on the important things. Therefore, he's able to make huge arguments over things that don't matter, and ignore the important points. Or manipulate the argument into one that can't be resolved for either side. I'll probably take another try at explaining my reasons for scumreading NocturneMage soon, but making concise arguments that can't be argued into an argument that you can't prove (to everyone, not just yourself) are difficult for me. Raising a ton of points instead of a few key ones is a really horrible habit of mine. Basically, two questions. 1. Do my arguments for scumreading NocturneMage make any sense? Or am I completely on another planet? If the latter, then I'm probably just very wrong and a re-explanation doesn't change this. 2. Is NocturneMage obviously town for other reasons (namely, activity and thread presence) that no other argument could significantly change this? I personally don't think so, but I realize that I am biased. Note that I still feel that my case against MoosyDoosy earlier was extremely strong, perhaps not a 99.9% read but an 80% read or so (MoosyDoosy's post-deadline posts don't fit with my mafia mindset for him, I can't ignore this). However, since Damdred didn't think so, and Damdred's a really good player, I have more doubt about that. Last time I was town, I made what I thought was a really solid case and Damdred completely disagreed and I was right, but Damdred could very well be right this time. What influence, if any, do you think MoosyDoosy's play has on determining NocturneMage's alignment? Step 4: Other people + Show Spoiler + What about the other players in the game? Unfortunately I'm busy and don't have time to go over everyone myself, but I'm mostly looking at Fidei86, The Shining, DoYouHas, and Palmar (excluding Half the Sky because she's very likely mafia, and NocturneMage because he was discussed earlier). Do you feel that any of them can be put out of the "suspicious" range for now, and why? Do any of them deserve more attention? For the record, I'm spoilering this for only you two because no one else has shown willingness to work with me. Except for Fecalfeast, who so far has been too lazy to do much real work, so he doesn't count for this. It doesn't help town if I put out a ton of text about reads that I'm not sure about when no one else cares to talk about it with me. If there are any statements that you disagree with here, please explain. I'm very wrong, very often. Same if you want something to be elaborated on. TBH I am going to keep this a bit short, cause getting tired. Part 1: I feel ya, I played a horrible town D1/N1 of last game. I seriously felt like I had to relearn the game. So someone being bad is not necessarily AI. But last game you were constantly wrong and scum. So you can't just 100% ignore your badness factor. As for your arguments/cases I remember geript having some advise on that post game and/or in the obs QT. Hope I get the time to re-read that and look at your arguments/cases again. To be fair in your scum game they were like "uh... nah whatever, that doesn't make them scum". Here they make a bit more sense. xD Part 2: I think you might have the problem of looking at the trees too much here. As you were implying with the badness in part 1. nobody is the perfect town player and if you look hard enough you will find scum indicators in every play/filter. Likewise the filter of a scum player will not only consist of scum trees. So maybe you need to take a step back and try to look at the bigger picture? That might help in reading some of these players. You also sound frustrated in general, so taking a bit of a break might be a good thing to do, too. Part 3: Okay, the problem with NM is following: Does he look like his town game? No. Does he look like his mafia game? No. Some of the stuff NM did this game seem scummy, like his entry. But there are a bunch of posts that also look very town. So for me, while I am not 100% of it, I think it is more likely that this is a town NM that is 1000% sure on HtS alignment. When I try to look at his overall play, that makes more sense than him being mafia. Also notice that he tries to be very active despite having not much time. He is simultaneous pushing HtS and trying to catch up to the thread and giving us updates to his thoughts while he reads, so we can actually follow his thoughts... Unlike the ones, of say... DYH Part 4: I am sleeping a bit on Fidei86 too, was looking through his filter earlier, but it had no wow effect (in either direction) on me. Palmar fell off quite hard after D1, but I think his forest is still mostly town plants. The Shining hasn't been here for a while, but I think he was pretty town D1... or at least that is what I remember. DYH? Well he is one of my two scum reads. But I hope we will get more information from the votes today. | ||
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yes, NM is not a strong read, which is why he is obly a lean. same goes for my other leans. hm, I might need to look at some timestamps regarding HtS and DYH again. But I still think his D1 was very scummy and him being coached to bus scum!hts looks very plausible to me. @palmar: if you are still here: any thoughts on today other than NM being a sexy beast and half the scum? | ||
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On December 06 2015 08:37 The Shining wrote: No shock there. Glad to hear you're at least feeling better, HtS. I have thoughts. But I need to read some stuff before I put all of them out there. I think DYH is super towny. Especially those last few posts. Rehashing Damdreds reads and then comparing them to kush showed a concerted effort to figure things out. That and upon rereading Damdred, he didn't misrepresent those reads, nor make up scumreads. Trfel is strong town and I'm okay with that. I'm thinking he's about as wrong on NM bussing as he was on Damdred but that's another thing I need to re-read. I'm dropping my suspicion on Fidei. The more I read him, the more town he feels. And maybe we do just have a mindmeld going, I need to get over the paranoia from that. Palmar is middle ground but a filter check is needed there, too. At least one scum obviously bussed but his recent posting, although not his strongest work this game, felt like town pressed for time. NM feels pretty locked in town at this point. He drove the hts lynch home off of a good metaread but he's also questioning and fleshing out his other reads. LS recent responses feel more like LS. Very innocent, carefree, does rely heavily on Meta but I like his interaction with DYH, too. POE leaves me with the really bad outlier vote in disfo(this is another one whose filter and other games I have to revisit). But he's not lynching scum d2, pushing dyh hard all day and he himself calls himself waffleboy. That stubbornness and refusal to get off of DYH in the hopes he could shift the lynch off of HtS has me thinking he gave himself away. Me to come soon. Also FF. He's not lazy uncaring town FF. From the moment he entered the game, he's been making an effort to try and look productive, then uses Fallout to bail out before he can get asked too much. He keeps asking others to point him in a direction instead of scum hunting for himself. And he promises a lot of content but he's only delivering easy, low effort content. I think that's our last 2 lynches to win the game going forward. Discuss? I am trying to be less waffly this game on purpose since I always get scum read for that a bunch in my town games. Seems that doesn't work either... | ||
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On December 07 2015 03:28 LightningStrike wrote: Any thoughtson Tfrel vs NM? Nope. Haven't really read what happened around EoD. | ||
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Hope I'll also get around to look at the reasons/timings of the votes on HtS, to see who the bus drivers where. | ||
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need to double check his 2. and 3. points on NM, am not a big fan of the 1. point (talking to scum reads like they are town). I think someone scumread town!disformation last game for the same reason, so I do not think this is a good metric for scum hunting. :p | ||
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On December 07 2015 05:26 disformation wrote: tldr on trfel: had a super hard time reading him last game (where he was scum!trfel), not going a lot better this game. Will look at geripts pointers on last game and look at his filter this game again. Which will take a while since trfel seems to love huge posts. That being said I think his cases/arguments feel more evolving and less stagnant than the ones scum!trfel did last game. need to double check his 2. and 3. points on NM, am not a big fan of the 1. point (talking to scum reads like they are town). I think someone scumread town!disformation last game for the same reason, so I do not think this is a good metric for scum hunting. :p sry for double post, but I did look at trfel's 2nd and 3rd points on NM. 2. Can you show me examples? Because I was reading through his filter and felt like the main points where kinda consistent. Granted in the beginning he was throwing out scum reads like candy, despite not having caught up to the thread, but after that it stabilizes a bit. Yeah, the reads are not explained that much in detail, but he has a few lines for each read and they don't look forced to me or anything. 3. True, from what HtS told me about them meeting IRL I would have expected more gloating. =p Got more examples for that? I kinda can agree that NM's filter seems to lack a direction outside of the push on HtS, but he is interacting a bunch with a lot of people, so that is a townie brownie. Still think he is more likely to be town. | ||
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1) stagnant, not evolving reads as said in the last post, this feels better this game. 2) focus on things that sound good but don't make the cased person mafia need to recheck for this, though has trfel done any consolidated cases recently? Kinda off for Trfel generally? also sry 4 tripple post xD | ||
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On December 07 2015 07:28 Fecalfeast wrote: just slept for 12 hours this song speaks to me on a deep level. Did we ever establish the setup based on hts' flip? Do I have to write a last will in case we have a patient vig? "Unfortunately, this video is not available in your country because it could contain music, for which we could not agree on conditions of use with GEMA." And I was looking forward to some good scum-huntin' music. And yeah I think we still have 3 possible setups? Also no clue bout the patient vigi... if you feel like someone is watching you and taking aim, a few notes would be nice. | ||
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Do you ppl have a decent read on Fidei86? I also never played with him, so no idea on big meta stuff. Could also just be mafia trying to WIFOM up the place, but since I don't have a good read on Fidei86 I think at least checking that out would be a good idea. | ||
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Still think he has a decent chance of being scum, but I want to look at his more recent stuff again and Trfel was pointing out something I want to double check. | ||
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On December 07 2015 08:30 NocturneMage wrote: Show nested quote + On December 07 2015 08:00 DoYouHas wrote: Looking at HtS's filter I have a couple of thoughts. 1. I am very wrong about Trfel, he is town. 2. Disfo may not be the townie that I thought he was. There are a few things that look off to me between him and HtS. 3. The NM bus theory of Trfel may not be far-fetched. HtS was soft defending moosy. Will elaborate assuming I live. Pretty good bet. I can't control anything she does. If you people fall for this theory and I flip Monday night, I am the one that will have to deal with physically hearing her laughing her head off from the study, so do pardon if I get a little annoyed at this. That said, a few people (I forget whom) raised the point about you being in the same boat, you as mafia bussing HTS, one of the first votes on HTS but first real suspicion only after I replaced in. Any thoughts on those if you looked in that direction? Yes, he has. He was town reading me all day, dropping a post right on the deadline saying he thinks I might be scum now, because he found some association with me and HtS, but hasn't bothered to explain that. Also not sure what you mean with connection between LS and fidei... I found you two talking about HtS but no mention of LS | ||
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On December 07 2015 08:39 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm really sorry for replacing in to this game I feel like I'm just emulating onegu's afk play but it's my day off it's so hard not to just play fallout on one monitor and watch capcom cup on the other. Oh snap poonghko! I need like a third monitor. On December 07 2015 08:39 NocturneMage wrote: Show nested quote + On December 07 2015 08:21 NocturneMage wrote: On December 07 2015 08:18 disformation wrote: Hmmm... kinda sleeping on fidei86. Like the last time I read his filter, I was not really impressed. but I hadn't the impression it was scummy. Will probably read again. Do you ppl have a decent read on Fidei86? I also never played with him, so no idea on big meta stuff. Could also just be mafia trying to WIFOM up the place, but since I don't have a good read on Fidei86 I think at least checking that out would be a good idea. what did you think of his interactions with me as I was trying to draw an association between him and possibly LS early d2 as I was pushing HTS? rephreased what did you think of Fidei's interactions with me as I was trying to draw an association between HTS and him and HTS and LS early d2 as I was pushing HTS? that should be clearer now. apologies. Ah, okay. So I had to actually look at all the stuff, because despite recently have looked at his filter it is not very memorable. I guess Palmar started to dislike Fidei86 based on his sexy filter thing. The first few responses/interactions with/towards you were pretty neutral and could come from either alignment. Like his clarification on a past game and him asking you to clarify your scum read on HtS. His tone is also pretty neutral here. Then he switches to a super agreeable / backing off stance in these two posts: On December 04 2015 09:34 Fidei86 wrote: Okay. Happy to take you at your word re 2. Sorry for suggesting it. I really hope she gets well soon, please do pass on all of our regards...<3 On December 04 2015 09:36 Fidei86 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 04 2015 09:34 NocturneMage wrote: Okay seriously, go ahead and lynch me. I truly don't give a fuck. Just allow me to find the other two mafia first before you kill me. Nobody is talking about lynching you. I wanted to probe your thoughts a little bit, because your writing so far has been a little less ... I don't know, maybe dispassionate? Insightful? I just have never seen you go after a lynch with such abandon before. And if you don't like my reasons for pushing you a little bit, then please do scum read me. But hopefully you'll see them for what they are. Could either be him being satisfied with your answers or backing up super fast, before the actually takes a kinda controversial stance? I kinda agree with his stuff on LS though. So fidei86 is a bit hard for me atm. Has he pushed LS? Or did he go at him also in this super soft manner? | ||
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On December 07 2015 09:10 NocturneMage wrote: wait, disformation second half of your last post I think you are completely misunderstanding. first quote - that was nothing to do with the game - that was real life. he wasn't trying to get a read on me I don't think he was just trying to see if hts was being manipulative with rl, the answer is no (even if she flipped scum, that is just hts being hts honestly I cited examples of her doing this as town too) and aside that there were other reasons to scumread her second quote, it was a misunderstanding. I was pinging trfel but my response came right after fidei's quote so fidei just assumed I was talking to him. but I think I can see why you came to that conclusion with those two sentences in the last quote. Ah, damn. Okay, that makes sense. Thanks for the clarification. Also for what it is worth, have some coloured votes: (went ahead and coloured myself green :p) Day 1 Kushm4sta (7): Fidei86, Damdred, LS, Shining, Rels, HTS, Palm LightningStrike (4): disformation, kushm4sta, DoYouHas, Trfel Not Voting (2): MoosyDoosy, Onegu Half the Sky (9): NocturneMage, DoYouHas, Fecalfeast, Rels, Trfel, Fidei86, Palmar, The Shining, LightningStrike DoYouHas (1): disformation NocturneMage (1): Half the Sky So to get information from this vote cycle I will try and look at the reasons/timings for voting HtS and try to see if there are plausible bus drivers. As I outlined yesterday DYH could have been such a busdriver, but I will look at the other suspects, too. | ||
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On December 07 2015 09:20 DoYouHas wrote: So this analysis is very similar to votecount, but it is based off of lists that a scum player makes. Every scum player I have ever played with will include at least 1 scum-mate on lists that they make. Here is HtS's first list: + Show Spoiler + On December 01 2015 09:31 Half the Sky wrote: Hey everyone. A few thoughts on my end before I head to bed - Nulls on Rels/Damdred regarding setup discussion/speculation as I feel those are types of posts that can be made as either alignment (and such Rels' scumreads on Do and Damdred could also fall under the same category) by players who know general gameplay well enough. Trfel's comments on LS I have a mixed reaction on. I don't like the following phrasing and here's why: Show nested quote + Second, why would does this make me mafia in any way? Like, why does the fact that LightningStrike posted that he wouldn't be here at the start of the game have any bearing on my alignment? When I read this, I read it as trying to absolve responsibility from self regardless of actual intention (baiting in this case) - it's not what LS posted that is the problem, it's what you (Trfel) did about it. That reaction makes me think whether you are trying to cover something up. Moosy is something I am going to need more time reading given his general playstyle. No read on him so far obviously. disformation hasn't made any reads yets with the Trfel/Damdred interaction going on, and I think that might have been about when he left the thread. Answered Trfel's question, but from recalling the last student game, he did take more stances in that game. So far probable scumleans on Trfel/disformation. Fidei was someone who falls off hard as mafia, first post based on his SOTW 2 performance (mafia) is going to weigh in at NAI. The ONLY thing that jumps out at me from Fidei's post is why he commented on Rels being towny but Damdred not being so even though both talked about the setup, and Damdred seems to make more of a point in trying to get town to coalesence. Moving to Palmar/Shining... 1. Damdred, Rels, Moosy, Trfel, Disfo HtS's second, third, & lynch list: + Show Spoiler + On December 02 2015 04:27 Half the Sky wrote: I need to put my head down again since I'm still feeling pretty sick. Going to go through again Trfel/Damdred/Fidei/disformation etc. on a full re-read. I'm also having issues with town reads. Right now, I need to flesh out Trfel a little more, same for disformation and LS. The lynch list right now is kush/DYH, Onegu is straight policy, but there's got to be an active mafia somewhere. Palmar is probably town but this is a gut feel based on how he proceeded with the case. 2. Trfel, Damdred, Fid, Disfo 3. Trfel, Disfo, LS Lynch: DYH, Kush, Onegu(pure policy) HtS's fourth list: + Show Spoiler + On December 03 2015 04:48 Half the Sky wrote: I'm here. I am still really sick (and thanks for the well wishes all, I hope I will improve) but I'm going to try my best here to answer all the questions possible. Show nested quote + On December 03 2015 03:13 Trfel wrote: On December 03 2015 03:06 LightningStrike wrote: Yeah....On December 03 2015 03:04 Trfel wrote: On December 03 2015 03:01 LightningStrike wrote: And where did you get that conclusion from?On December 03 2015 02:58 Trfel wrote: On December 02 2015 23:07 Half the Sky wrote: First of all, really sorry that you aren't feeling well. Hope you can recover soon.Alright, I just woke up, and I am not feeling any better. I'm headed to a doctor's appointment in an hour, but I am hoping to get back in thread barring anything serious. I fully realise I have a shittonne to catch up on - if anyone has any questions for me, or anything specific they want me to weigh on, please prompt me and I'll do so when I return. Why did you vote for DoYouHas instead of kushm4sta? Why didn't you include LightningStrike in the lynch list? Now that he's (at least mostly, I think?) answered your questions, what do you think about him? Why did your read on me (Trfel) change? read her filter if you want to see her progression on me + Show Spoiler + She thinks I town. On December 02 2015 04:38 Half the Sky wrote: On December 02 2015 04:24 LightningStrike wrote: Okay I here now and Tfrel I did answer HTS just not directly quoted. On December 02 2015 04:15 Half the Sky wrote: Looking at 346/349 - LS, I'm not referring to meta. Let's make sure I'm not misunderstanding you here. I'm not talking about Palmar's tone in general. I'm talking about his case. If you read the context differently, then tell me how you interpreted that. You are saying that he's town because his tone is serious and from 349 it's based on meta. Okay fine, but regardless of meta, why would Palmar's case NOT be serious? What I'm trying to say here is that you are townreading him for a poor reason. I didn't say it wasn't serious? Anyways the way he argued Shining like I said had a serious tone plus like said he did a very similar thing to me in Metal Mini when I was fighting him and felt frustrated with him. It took me a bit of arguing to get him to townread me in that game because I was still a newbie lol.... So it a little both but more towards personal experience with him. Argh, no. I am saying that you said his tone is serious. In any case, you want to say you are giving a personal read towards him. Alright, I still think this is a bad read because like I said before Palmar really can't be done off one read, but now that I've fleshed it out I don't think you are mafia for this. Still need to read the rest of your filter in conjunction with Trfel/Damdred when I return though. "I don't think you are mafia for this" means that Half the Sky is not scum reading you for one specific thing in your filter. As in, she could be scum reading you for the entire rest of your filter. And that's not a townread on that one thing either. Does anyone know if LightningStrike is generally this self-conscious as town with regards to other people's townreads on him? To make a big jump like this and try to assume everything is a townread? Because this is making me doubt my earlier town lean on him. The above is correct. This also partially helps answer Trfel's question to me - LS was not in my lynch list (and relative to the rest of the thread) because D1, similar to SOTW, if there's something that is not clicking I have to flesh his reads out. He was a scumlean based on the stuff he said, I hashed out to make sure I was understanding LS, and it was back to null pending the interactions with other people in the thread. There was a part where he mentioned Trfel casing Damdred (and I still have to go back and look at that, Christ) which would give some indication as to Trfel/Damdred/LS alignments to some extent. Obviously need to catch up on the rest of his filter. Not lynching him until I read and feel otherwise. Trfel, I mentioned a post where I scumleaned you initially for the comment you made on LS. I made an explanation as to why, it was something along the lines of tone and not wanting to take responsibility. There was something else that you mentioned, you answered it, but if you answered that first concern, show me the post where you did. There's a very good chance I missed it. Again, I failed to analyse you v Damdred. DYH over kush - It was part read on Trfel and part lack of followup on Trfel at that time when he commented on Shining/Palmar, which I felt could have come from either alignment. Also I wanted to press him for more reads, and I recall I did that somewhere. Obviously need to check his filter again and see what he's done since. I know I did not scumread him on activity especially since it's my first game with him and I don't know offhand if he's a lurky player. In any instance, I put both in a lynch list and I gave my reasons for not liking kush. Also I think it was you Trfel, whoever it was said that scum doesn't know the setup. This is not true. Look at the day one post. There is a list of 4 setups so that is part of where my statement came from. Additional comments/followups from what I saw from skimming the thread: Rels - posting game details has to be done regardless of whatever else games I'm playing. It either needed to be done when signups went up or very soon after. I was queued in, it had to get done. Take that as you will. Disformation - looking at your response to my last question right now, also did you have a question for me? You said a few times you were looking through my filter. Trfel - did you answer my questions regarding distinguishing activity between DYH and kush? (post 391, again if I missed it point it out) If you looked into Rels based on your last response to me, what did you think of him? (same deal if I missed it) Should hopefully be able to move forward after this. Let me see who is up for lynch and weigh in... 4. Trfel, DYH, Kush, Rels, Disfo - Ok. So she is putting Trfel and Disfo in pretty much all of her lists. By my above heuristic this makes one or both of them more likely to be mafia. However, take a look at her interactions with the people on her lists in her filter and see if any of them feel out of place compared to the others. Compared to her interactions with Trfel, Rels, Damdred and her suspicion of me and Kush, her interaction with Disfo is very bland, flat. She starts with vague scumlean but the rest of her interaction reads more like she is inviting him to interact with her for the sake of interacting. - I think the cross between these two methods is a pretty good reason to scumread Disfo. Please look into it yourselves. ##Vote: Disformation Hmm... I was told that it is also very common mistake for scum partners to totally ignore each other. How many interactions did you have with HtS again? | ||
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On December 07 2015 09:48 DoYouHas wrote: But you do bring up a good point. I need to look into this from your side of things. Will filter you after dinner stuff. Yeah, sure, feel free to do so. Nearly 2 am here and I have work tomorrow. So I'll do the looking at votes things tomorrow after work. Kinda annoyed that despite having a way better (town) game than my last game I still get cases thrown at my head. | ||
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Hm. geript said in the obs QT of last game that if a town player that has very little or no pull with the thread gets nk'ed that most often means he is right. Especially if that player is an experienced one. Palmar had little pull and is an experienced player. So him disliking fidei and/or LS could be a thing. Also don't like that Fidei had no follow up on: On December 05 2015 00:25 Fidei86 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 05 2015 00:23 LightningStrike wrote: BTW James you should check my read progression of DYH? I will. I'll also read DYH's filter this evening. Work is slow today, so I've been able to play a lot of Mafia, but it's all phone posting. That being said I want to check his stance on HtS yesterday and see what he brings after catching up. Will also be looking at DYH, Trfel and LS later, when I am at home. On December 07 2015 20:46 Fecalfeast wrote: lol accidentally fallout until 3:45 what a good towny. Who should I sheep? Dunno, there seem to be a bunch of candidates for today. So you know, you could like... read their (trfel/fidei/disformation) filters and the cases on them and decide which one you like most/least? -.- | ||
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But here you are "only" slightly suspicious... and what is a little scum lean between good partners? On December 01 2015 21:45 Fidei86 wrote: @Rels I have looked over HTS' posts, and I am more okay with #209 now that I've read it a few times. There's nothing particularly objectionable in there. At #219, I disagree with her read on the Palmar / Shining interaction. There is something very strange about Shining's progression, and HTS just skates past it. She then at #224, #237 and #246 goes forward and then back on on Trfel. She asks Shining about people other than Palmar, but noticeably doesn't ask Palmar about people other than Shining. I know that HTS is very much a fan of Palmar's scum play. I know that she has previously had him as a coach and that she generally speaks highly of him as a player. It is strange to me that she almost specifically avoids interacting with him, or making any comments about him. Honestly, if she can't read him, it seems like the rest of us don't have a chance. None of the above is a guaranteed scum-tell. But I find it somewhat suspicious. Town HTS nitpicks as well, but I just always get the sense that she is going somewhere with her thoughts. That seems lacking to me. Still want to look at your whole filter and progression on HtS later tonight. The thing is: someone had to bus her. From my POV two someones have bussed HtS and I am going to find out who. | ||
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On December 07 2015 23:08 Rels wrote: Show nested quote + On December 07 2015 22:53 disformation wrote: The thing is: someone had to bus her. From my POV two someones have bussed HtS and I am going to find out who. Weird thing to say ? How so? I am the only one who didn't vote her and unless I have misread my role PM, I am quite sure I am town. Thus, the conclusion that both remaining scummers bussed HtS. This might even include one of the ppl who had an early case/suspicion on her. | ||
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On December 07 2015 23:27 Rels wrote: Show nested quote + On December 07 2015 23:12 disformation wrote: On December 07 2015 23:08 Rels wrote: On December 07 2015 22:53 disformation wrote: The thing is: someone had to bus her. From my POV two someones have bussed HtS and I am going to find out who. Weird thing to say ? How so? I am the only one who didn't vote her and unless I have misread my role PM, I am quite sure I am town. Thus, the conclusion that both remaining scummers bussed HtS. This might even include one of the ppl who had an early case/suspicion on her. That's true you were the only vote not on HTS. The Shining had this in his case / scum read on me as well, if you want to check that out: On December 06 2015 08:37 The Shining wrote: [...] POE leaves me with the really bad outlier vote in disfo(this is another one whose filter and other games I have to revisit). But he's not lynching scum d2, pushing dyh hard all day and he himself calls himself waffleboy. That stubbornness and refusal to get off of DYH in the hopes he could shift the lynch off of HtS has me thinking he gave himself away. Me to come soon. [...] On December 06 2015 10:16 The Shining wrote: And disfo said he is consciously trying to change that waffling because it gets him scumread but he put out way more content last game and even though he waffled, he was towned quite a lot. I don't think his meta would change that quickly from one game to the next. Though I still not like getting a scumread for trying to waffle less this game. I also said pregame that I am probably going to put a bit less time in this game, because I need to get some RL stuff done... And here I am sitting at work typing away at this thread... | ||
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On December 07 2015 23:30 NocturneMage wrote: here's another related theory I had for palmar being shot folks, hear me out. look I don't know the guy, but from the games I have read where dani has played I understand there is a pattern where some players know each other extremely well. like I look at the database, palmar has shittonnes of games played. does palmar know anyone here so well that he can ping them out well out of the blue even if he is not scumreading them now? is he known as someone who has late game heroics? who in this group might be threatened by him regardless of his reads at any point in the game? I see trfel and ls have approx 18-20 games played, I think recalling, and we know palmar was townreading ls or buying into the modconfirmation thing (which means ls should have no reason to shoot him in theory), dyh about 15, so IDK, ff high 20s, the rest far less than this. trfel is already being suspected by palmar, but thoughts on the rest? I realise this is quite random but I'm just trying to see if he possibly could ferret out another long time player and maybe that person could have been feeling threatened by him or his knowledge of the game. palmar was obviously taking a lazy way of solving the game so who here could have been getting scared of palmar once he decides to pull it together and solve? any takers? 4th game on TL folks. since so many of you are throwing meta out 5th game on tl.net. First game with Palmar. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/331187-tl-mafia-liv And they were both killed pretty early in that... | ||
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On December 08 2015 00:01 Rels wrote: disfo I saw you fetched some geript's stuff from the last newbie ? How does it apply to Trfel this game then ? Well, one point was that for example Trfel's case/read on FF didn't evolve and focused on points that made FF look bad, but not necessary mafia. Scum not being able to change/adapt their reads to new circumstances is a thing, I also have seen in other reads. A general thing on Trfel was that he likes to focus on these points, ie points that make players look bad, but not necessarily mafia. So last game his reads were like "hm... nah" to me. This game his reads/cases feel more organic to me as in they react and incorporate more recent stuff that is happening. Also instead of having a few set in stone reads, he is more unsure about a lot of people. That being said, I still get a bunch of the similar "hm.. nah" vibe on a bunch of his points. I wanted to take a more in depth look at his stuff, but tbh, with having ppl over yesterday and not being at home in general on Saturday, I haven't gotten to that yet. But he is still on the list of ppl I want to look at, as mentioned earlier. So I'll hope I'll get this done today evening. | ||
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On December 08 2015 00:36 Rels wrote: Well here is my mind right now: Shining, disfo and LS are town. Kills points at Trfel and fidei. DYH is also an attractive lynch, but kills don't point to him. Finally, fidei's point about NM's being so sure of HTS the minute he enters the thread makes some sense. Looks like FF didn't make any list. Means he's likely town. Hm... think I can agree to most of it. But can you explain your read on LS? Last time I looked at him I wasn't impressed. On December 08 2015 00:40 Fidei86 wrote: Gun to my head, on a pure gut read basis, I think the Mafia is likely 2 of LS, Disfo and NM. LS and NM I've discussed. Disfo is something I've been mulling for a while, and it's mostly because I feel all of his posts have tried to look useful but actually haven't been. (Filter dives to follow. I mean it this time). If you got the time and are interested, feel free to look at my previous games (all linked in my profile). | ||
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On December 08 2015 00:48 Rels wrote: @fidei and anyone thinking NM is scum: it probably means DYH is also scum. If NM is scum, the scum strategy is to bus HTS for max town cred. In that case, it doesn't make sense that the third mafia is someone hesitating on the lynch like disfo or LS. That would be a super sick scum play. On December 08 2015 00:49 Rels wrote: Show nested quote + On December 08 2015 00:48 disformation wrote: On December 08 2015 00:36 Rels wrote: Well here is my mind right now: Shining, disfo and LS are town. Kills points at Trfel and fidei. DYH is also an attractive lynch, but kills don't point to him. Finally, fidei's point about NM's being so sure of HTS the minute he enters the thread makes some sense. Looks like FF didn't make any list. Means he's likely town. Hm... think I can agree to most of it. But can you explain your read on LS? Last time I looked at him I wasn't impressed. Both Damdred and Palmar townread him the a high level (confirmed town for Damdred, probably town for Palmar). Him screaming "I'M VT" at deadline of D1. I don't really get the modconfirm thing... but I remember finding a few instances of him behaving similar in other of his town games. Also would love to sheep my town!damdy on that. xD | ||
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On December 08 2015 02:00 Rels wrote: To the first person reading this with free time: can you read fidei s past town games and compare the robotic tone to this one Hm. Interesting he only has five town games in the database. I guess I am not the only one RNGesus doesn't want to be scum. TBH I am not a big fan of only reading some filters from old games, since without the context and/or a personal connection to that game it is kinda tedious and boring. But I'll run a quick check on his town games in NSM12 and NSM14. Won't do personality mafia, because I think that game was too crazy to get a good tone from. | ||
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NSM14 he also sounds very similar to here... well besides this thing: On September 08 2015 09:05 Fidei86 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 08 2015 08:58 MoosyDoosy wrote: eh. i still think it's copcake + fidei with someone else but i might be getting too tunneled. fidei comes off looking worse from this. BEFORE I GO TO BED I WANT TO POINT OUT IN ALL CAPITALS THAT MOOSY HAS NEITHER OF THE CLAIMED F****** DOCTORS IN HIS F****** SCUM LIST. LIKE IT MIGHT NOT BE EITHER OF THEM? Are you kidding me with this shit? But playing with cupcake can be rather rage inducing. So I understand. But the overwhelming amount of posts sounds like this game. So I guess that is just his default tone and dub him Mr. Roboto. Will look at his filter from this game more closely now. | ||
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On December 08 2015 04:12 NocturneMage wrote: evaluating Fidei that is. And here I thought you were planning on eating him, too. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On December 08 2015 04:28 LightningStrike wrote: Show nested quote + On December 08 2015 04:14 disformation wrote: On December 08 2015 04:12 NocturneMage wrote: evaluating Fidei that is. And here I thought you were planning on eating him, too. + Show Spoiler + We eating Dota players apparantly if he does try to eat James lol.... Anyways I still scratching my head on Palmar's NK. Like I don't a lot of people were townreading him(I was right on him at least). It would implicate someone who knows Palmar or Palmar was right on someone and they panic kill him(prob the later since I think I the only one who really have a lot of experience playing with him. Don't think Mr. Roboto will taste too good. Too much oil and metal. Currently eating and looking at his filter. | ||
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On December 08 2015 04:46 Fidei86 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 08 2015 03:46 disformation wrote: NSM12 up to day 2: very similar to this. Starting D2 he starts to show a bit of life in his posts when talking with/to HtS and his scum reads. NSM14 he also sounds very similar to here... well besides this thing: On September 08 2015 09:05 Fidei86 wrote: On September 08 2015 08:58 MoosyDoosy wrote: eh. i still think it's copcake + fidei with someone else but i might be getting too tunneled. fidei comes off looking worse from this. BEFORE I GO TO BED I WANT TO POINT OUT IN ALL CAPITALS THAT MOOSY HAS NEITHER OF THE CLAIMED F****** DOCTORS IN HIS F****** SCUM LIST. LIKE IT MIGHT NOT BE EITHER OF THEM? Are you kidding me with this shit? But playing with cupcake can be rather rage inducing. So I understand. But the overwhelming amount of posts sounds like this game. So I guess that is just his default tone and dub him Mr. Roboto. Will look at his filter from this game more closely now. It wasn't Cake, it was Moosy. I should have lynched that MFer. I often refer to MoosyDoosy as cupcake and/or sweetheart. You know because I really enjoy playing with him. Will make my use of nicknames for the nicknames of players more distinct in the future. | ||
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On December 08 2015 04:51 disformation wrote: I often refer to MoosyDoosy as cupcake and/or sweetheart. You know because I really enjoy playing with him. + Show Spoiler + not Will make my use of nicknames for the nicknames of players more distinct in the future. edited for clarity. | ||
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Hm so while he was suspicious on HtS at the start he then moves to: On December 03 2015 04:08 Fidei86 wrote: Town Shining - He was winning townie plaudits for his fight with Palmar, but rather than carry it on (and continuing to crap up the thread) he stopped (or at least tried to) and gave a good read post at #229. I like his read on dis, which I agree with. He asks Kush and Moosy to do more, at a stage where the better Mafia play would have been to ignore them and let town coalesce towards a "lynch all idiots" lynch. (Disclaimer: I previously called him out for not stopping the fight, but a re-read of his filter shows he was trying to stop it but Palmar wouldn't let it go.) Trfel - Rels is right, for someone with over 3k posts Trfel sure apologises a lot. He seems to have some sort of reason for his early LS read, which I don't really care about. I actually like is read on Rels "why is he just throwing shit everywhere." Maybe town side of null. His later posts show quite nuanced reasoning. Moved to town for now, otherwise mostly everyone would be null Dis - he and Trfel are playing similarly in my view. Both reading the thread, giving thoughts relatively fearlessly. Nothing that particularly jumps out as scummy. Lean read. Null Damdred - underwhelmed by his reads, which seem to mostly have been of Shining. Need to filter dive. No sense in lynching today. Damdred - whole filter is super underwhelming. Says he has town reads, but then just gives me and Shining without and further explanation. Lacklustre but posts come off as condescending. Scum side of null but wouldn't lynch yet. HTS - I am scared of a Mafia Dani, and that is probably colouring my read of her. One thing I'm not sure of is why she voted for DYH having just excoriated kush for his dumbass post about voting for Rels. Palmar - his entire first act was fighting with Shining. He made his point, and I agreed with it. But he kept pushing and pushing beyond when it was reasonable. I also didn't like that he called my first post "fine" and "null" but at another point said I was a "tow read". Says he doesn't want to lynch into me, then later says I'd be an okay lynch? Huh? I had him in Mafia, but his last few reads on Damdred and Rels - I'm all over the place on Rels. I've made the point that Mafia Rels tends to buddy harder than he is here. But in this game he seems to be talking in complete parallel to the thread, raising points others aren't but not engaging in the same sort of manner I would expect from a town Rels. But I actually really like his DYH read and vote. Mafia LS - his entry list was all nulls ("I need more time on Moosy" -- no shit!) and basic basic points that display no particular thought. #431 says the game is hard but hasn't really given a read on anyone? O Useless Kush - he is going to have to do a lot to get back from "not changing my Rels vote even though he might be town because changing votes is hard" Moosy - only sensible post is pushing Shining on his read of me. When he'd explained it like 8 times and I'd only made one post. DYH - Lots of town-reads and afk promises. Hardly encouraging. Was not really a fan of his Trfel read. Onegu. It's O-word dude. Hands up if you're surprised. I have a bit of trouble following his LS progression after that. Like he thinks LS is scum and then votes kush because kush's progression on LS (who he thinks is scum) is scummy? N1 he also moves back to HtS... On December 04 2015 08:39 Fidei86 wrote: I'm not scum. One thing I was thinking is that I actually pinged Dani out a while ago for the same sort of thing Alex is saying now. That's not to say that scum can't bus a little ... Obviously I didn't push Dani that hard. But if Alex agreed with my reasoning, surely it makes me unlikely to be her scum buddy? Also if I was scum I would 100% have shot Dani. Gameplay regardless, scum Fidei shoots HTS n1 every game. Every time. So there's that. Bold part for smiles. After that he talks a bit about a possible LS/HtS team. Seems a bit focused on certain persons. But he admitted to that earlier. His probing of NM seems town. On December 04 2015 23:43 Fidei86 wrote: I am utterly convinced that LS is Mafia. I am willing to accept that Dani is Mafia, although if she flips town we lynch Alex (possibly before LS). But I will have time this weekend to read some of the outliers (dis might lynch me if I don't at least read DYH again). On December 05 2015 00:20 Fidei86 wrote: So LS, your scum team is me, DYH and Dani. Except scumming DYH is easy because he has been a low volume poster, scumming Dani is easy because Alex, and scumming me is easy because of OMGUS? All of your reasons for town reading people are "they are towny", or a call back to a past game. This is a really poorly thought through list that shows no conviction and no intention to solve. LS is Mafia. Does he vote LS? + Show Spoiler + nope On December 05 2015 00:25 Fidei86 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 05 2015 00:23 LightningStrike wrote: BTW James you should check my read progression of DYH? I will. I'll also read DYH's filter this evening. Work is slow today, so I've been able to play a lot of Mafia, but it's all phone posting. Still waiting. On December 08 2015 00:40 Fidei86 wrote: Gun to my head, on a pure gut read basis, I think the Mafia is likely 2 of LS, Disfo and NM. LS and NM I've discussed. Disfo is something I've been mulling for a while, and it's mostly because I feel all of his posts have tried to look useful but actually haven't been. (Filter dives to follow. I mean it this time). Not sure how "quite a while" translates to "my last mention of him is like super early D2 with a town read", but at least he is looking at more ppl than HtS,NM,LS and Trfel now. So here we have a bunch of trees. Let mediate a bit on the forest though. Yes he was suspicious of HtS early on. Did he push her hard? No. He seemed very sure about LS being scum. Did he push him? No. Does he vote him? No. He is very focused on a small group on people. Maybe trying to pick one out of the misslynch list? The reads on those people are also kinda constant. Like the scum read on LS. Promised to look at DYH, did play dota instead. While I like his interactions with NM, interactions with other ppl seem to lack a bit. Did he actually push anyone so far? So I'd say his desire to solve the game doesn't seem to be very present. Possible vote candidate. | ||
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On December 08 2015 05:45 Fidei86 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 07 2015 22:53 disformation wrote: Hmm... yeah I think I remember you calling out HtS on D1. But here you are "only" slightly suspicious... and what is a little scum lean between good partners? On December 01 2015 21:45 Fidei86 wrote: @Rels I have looked over HTS' posts, and I am more okay with #209 now that I've read it a few times. There's nothing particularly objectionable in there. At #219, I disagree with her read on the Palmar / Shining interaction. There is something very strange about Shining's progression, and HTS just skates past it. She then at #224, #237 and #246 goes forward and then back on on Trfel. She asks Shining about people other than Palmar, but noticeably doesn't ask Palmar about people other than Shining. I know that HTS is very much a fan of Palmar's scum play. I know that she has previously had him as a coach and that she generally speaks highly of him as a player. It is strange to me that she almost specifically avoids interacting with him, or making any comments about him. Honestly, if she can't read him, it seems like the rest of us don't have a chance. None of the above is a guaranteed scum-tell. But I find it somewhat suspicious. Town HTS nitpicks as well, but I just always get the sense that she is going somewhere with her thoughts. That seems lacking to me. Still want to look at your whole filter and progression on HtS later tonight. The thing is: someone had to bus her. From my POV two someones have bussed HtS and I am going to find out who. Disfo I think you fundamentally misunderstand what bussing is. Bussing is where one mafia player actively works to get HTS lynched. The only people who really worked on the HTS lynch actively were NM, DYH and me. Oh and Palmar, but he's flipped town. If any of us were mafia, that would be a bus. The fact is that it was plainly obvious that she was going to get lynched once Alex, Palmar and I basically decided it. Lots of the rest of you voted for her, but just voting for a scum is not the same as bussing. Your logic is just totally wrong here. Oh? Okay, I indeed thought that voting for a scum mate is bussing. Thanks for the clarification. | ||
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On December 08 2015 05:39 Fidei86 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 08 2015 05:30 disformation wrote: Sry, this will probably end up being a rant on Fidei86's filter. Hm so while he was suspicious on HtS at the start he then moves to: On December 03 2015 04:08 Fidei86 wrote: Town Shining - He was winning townie plaudits for his fight with Palmar, but rather than carry it on (and continuing to crap up the thread) he stopped (or at least tried to) and gave a good read post at #229. I like his read on dis, which I agree with. He asks Kush and Moosy to do more, at a stage where the better Mafia play would have been to ignore them and let town coalesce towards a "lynch all idiots" lynch. (Disclaimer: I previously called him out for not stopping the fight, but a re-read of his filter shows he was trying to stop it but Palmar wouldn't let it go.) Trfel - Rels is right, for someone with over 3k posts Trfel sure apologises a lot. He seems to have some sort of reason for his early LS read, which I don't really care about. I actually like is read on Rels "why is he just throwing shit everywhere." Maybe town side of null. His later posts show quite nuanced reasoning. Moved to town for now, otherwise mostly everyone would be null Dis - he and Trfel are playing similarly in my view. Both reading the thread, giving thoughts relatively fearlessly. Nothing that particularly jumps out as scummy. Lean read. Null Damdred - underwhelmed by his reads, which seem to mostly have been of Shining. Need to filter dive. No sense in lynching today. Damdred - whole filter is super underwhelming. Says he has town reads, but then just gives me and Shining without and further explanation. Lacklustre but posts come off as condescending. Scum side of null but wouldn't lynch yet. HTS - I am scared of a Mafia Dani, and that is probably colouring my read of her. One thing I'm not sure of is why she voted for DYH having just excoriated kush for his dumbass post about voting for Rels. Palmar - his entire first act was fighting with Shining. He made his point, and I agreed with it. But he kept pushing and pushing beyond when it was reasonable. I also didn't like that he called my first post "fine" and "null" but at another point said I was a "tow read". Says he doesn't want to lynch into me, then later says I'd be an okay lynch? Huh? I had him in Mafia, but his last few reads on Damdred and Rels - I'm all over the place on Rels. I've made the point that Mafia Rels tends to buddy harder than he is here. But in this game he seems to be talking in complete parallel to the thread, raising points others aren't but not engaging in the same sort of manner I would expect from a town Rels. But I actually really like his DYH read and vote. Mafia LS - his entry list was all nulls ("I need more time on Moosy" -- no shit!) and basic basic points that display no particular thought. #431 says the game is hard but hasn't really given a read on anyone? O Useless Kush - he is going to have to do a lot to get back from "not changing my Rels vote even though he might be town because changing votes is hard" Moosy - only sensible post is pushing Shining on his read of me. When he'd explained it like 8 times and I'd only made one post. DYH - Lots of town-reads and afk promises. Hardly encouraging. Was not really a fan of his Trfel read. Onegu. It's O-word dude. Hands up if you're surprised. I have a bit of trouble following his LS progression after that. Like he thinks LS is scum and then votes kush because kush's progression on LS (who he thinks is scum) is scummy? N1 he also moves back to HtS... On December 04 2015 08:39 Fidei86 wrote: I'm not scum. One thing I was thinking is that I actually pinged Dani out a while ago for the same sort of thing Alex is saying now. That's not to say that scum can't bus a little ... Obviously I didn't push Dani that hard. But if Alex agreed with my reasoning, surely it makes me unlikely to be her scum buddy? Also if I was scum I would 100% have shot Dani. Gameplay regardless, scum Fidei shoots HTS n1 every game. Every time. So there's that. Bold part for smiles. After that he talks a bit about a possible LS/HtS team. Seems a bit focused on certain persons. But he admitted to that earlier. His probing of NM seems town. On December 04 2015 23:43 Fidei86 wrote: I am utterly convinced that LS is Mafia. I am willing to accept that Dani is Mafia, although if she flips town we lynch Alex (possibly before LS). But I will have time this weekend to read some of the outliers (dis might lynch me if I don't at least read DYH again). On December 05 2015 00:20 Fidei86 wrote: So LS, your scum team is me, DYH and Dani. Except scumming DYH is easy because he has been a low volume poster, scumming Dani is easy because Alex, and scumming me is easy because of OMGUS? All of your reasons for town reading people are "they are towny", or a call back to a past game. This is a really poorly thought through list that shows no conviction and no intention to solve. LS is Mafia. Does he vote LS? + Show Spoiler + nope On December 05 2015 00:25 Fidei86 wrote: On December 05 2015 00:23 LightningStrike wrote: BTW James you should check my read progression of DYH? I will. I'll also read DYH's filter this evening. Work is slow today, so I've been able to play a lot of Mafia, but it's all phone posting. Still waiting. On December 08 2015 00:40 Fidei86 wrote: Gun to my head, on a pure gut read basis, I think the Mafia is likely 2 of LS, Disfo and NM. LS and NM I've discussed. Disfo is something I've been mulling for a while, and it's mostly because I feel all of his posts have tried to look useful but actually haven't been. (Filter dives to follow. I mean it this time). Not sure how "quite a while" translates to "my last mention of him is like super early D2 with a town read", but at least he is looking at more ppl than HtS,NM,LS and Trfel now. So here we have a bunch of trees. Let mediate a bit on the forest though. Yes he was suspicious of HtS early on. Did he push her hard? No. He seemed very sure about LS being scum. Did he push him? No. Does he vote him? No. He is very focused on a small group on people. Maybe trying to pick one out of the misslynch list? The reads on those people are also kinda constant. Like the scum read on LS. Promised to look at DYH, did play dota instead. While I like his interactions with NM, interactions with other ppl seem to lack a bit. Did he actually push anyone so far? So I'd say his desire to solve the game doesn't seem to be very present. Possible vote candidate. Eh, I'm not going to stand here and say that my play this game has been optimal. Plainly it hasn't been. I haven't been as active as I could have been, and I accidentally basically got our blue lynched D1. There's one thing that screams out to me from your post. You accuse me of not voting for LS, after I post that I'm sure he's mafia. D1 I got cold feet. It was a mistake. Lots of people in the thread were talking about switching, and LS was here at least fighting his corner, while kush was AFK. It was a total spur of the moment decision, and it was wrong. DAY 2, WE WERE LYNCHING HTS. WHO FLIPPED F'ING SCUM. AND I GAVE VERY CLEAR REASONS WHY I WOULD NEVER MOVE OFF HER. WHY WOULD I VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE? Ugh. Like, your other reasons for scumming me are fine, but that one is so bogus, it makes my eyes water. On p77/83. Uh crud. I think I messed up with the timestamps and assumed the quote I refer to was from N1 and I was confused why you didn't vote/push LS harder, when you just thought he was slamdunk scum. Rechecked just now and it was way into D2. So yeah sry, ignore this part, I messed up here. =p | ||
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On December 08 2015 05:57 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On December 08 2015 05:39 Fidei86 wrote: On December 08 2015 05:30 disformation wrote: Sry, this will probably end up being a rant on Fidei86's filter. Hm so while he was suspicious on HtS at the start he then moves to: On December 03 2015 04:08 Fidei86 wrote: Town Shining - He was winning townie plaudits for his fight with Palmar, but rather than carry it on (and continuing to crap up the thread) he stopped (or at least tried to) and gave a good read post at #229. I like his read on dis, which I agree with. He asks Kush and Moosy to do more, at a stage where the better Mafia play would have been to ignore them and let town coalesce towards a "lynch all idiots" lynch. (Disclaimer: I previously called him out for not stopping the fight, but a re-read of his filter shows he was trying to stop it but Palmar wouldn't let it go.) Trfel - Rels is right, for someone with over 3k posts Trfel sure apologises a lot. He seems to have some sort of reason for his early LS read, which I don't really care about. I actually like is read on Rels "why is he just throwing shit everywhere." Maybe town side of null. His later posts show quite nuanced reasoning. Moved to town for now, otherwise mostly everyone would be null Dis - he and Trfel are playing similarly in my view. Both reading the thread, giving thoughts relatively fearlessly. Nothing that particularly jumps out as scummy. Lean read. Null Damdred - underwhelmed by his reads, which seem to mostly have been of Shining. Need to filter dive. No sense in lynching today. Damdred - whole filter is super underwhelming. Says he has town reads, but then just gives me and Shining without and further explanation. Lacklustre but posts come off as condescending. Scum side of null but wouldn't lynch yet. HTS - I am scared of a Mafia Dani, and that is probably colouring my read of her. One thing I'm not sure of is why she voted for DYH having just excoriated kush for his dumbass post about voting for Rels. Palmar - his entire first act was fighting with Shining. He made his point, and I agreed with it. But he kept pushing and pushing beyond when it was reasonable. I also didn't like that he called my first post "fine" and "null" but at another point said I was a "tow read". Says he doesn't want to lynch into me, then later says I'd be an okay lynch? Huh? I had him in Mafia, but his last few reads on Damdred and Rels - I'm all over the place on Rels. I've made the point that Mafia Rels tends to buddy harder than he is here. But in this game he seems to be talking in complete parallel to the thread, raising points others aren't but not engaging in the same sort of manner I would expect from a town Rels. But I actually really like his DYH read and vote. Mafia LS - his entry list was all nulls ("I need more time on Moosy" -- no shit!) and basic basic points that display no particular thought. #431 says the game is hard but hasn't really given a read on anyone? O Useless Kush - he is going to have to do a lot to get back from "not changing my Rels vote even though he might be town because changing votes is hard" Moosy - only sensible post is pushing Shining on his read of me. When he'd explained it like 8 times and I'd only made one post. DYH - Lots of town-reads and afk promises. Hardly encouraging. Was not really a fan of his Trfel read. Onegu. It's O-word dude. Hands up if you're surprised. I have a bit of trouble following his LS progression after that. Like he thinks LS is scum and then votes kush because kush's progression on LS (who he thinks is scum) is scummy? N1 he also moves back to HtS... On December 04 2015 08:39 Fidei86 wrote: I'm not scum. One thing I was thinking is that I actually pinged Dani out a while ago for the same sort of thing Alex is saying now. That's not to say that scum can't bus a little ... Obviously I didn't push Dani that hard. But if Alex agreed with my reasoning, surely it makes me unlikely to be her scum buddy? Also if I was scum I would 100% have shot Dani. Gameplay regardless, scum Fidei shoots HTS n1 every game. Every time. So there's that. Bold part for smiles. After that he talks a bit about a possible LS/HtS team. Seems a bit focused on certain persons. But he admitted to that earlier. His probing of NM seems town. On December 04 2015 23:43 Fidei86 wrote: I am utterly convinced that LS is Mafia. I am willing to accept that Dani is Mafia, although if she flips town we lynch Alex (possibly before LS). But I will have time this weekend to read some of the outliers (dis might lynch me if I don't at least read DYH again). On December 05 2015 00:20 Fidei86 wrote: So LS, your scum team is me, DYH and Dani. Except scumming DYH is easy because he has been a low volume poster, scumming Dani is easy because Alex, and scumming me is easy because of OMGUS? All of your reasons for town reading people are "they are towny", or a call back to a past game. This is a really poorly thought through list that shows no conviction and no intention to solve. LS is Mafia. Does he vote LS? + Show Spoiler + nope On December 05 2015 00:25 Fidei86 wrote: On December 05 2015 00:23 LightningStrike wrote: BTW James you should check my read progression of DYH? I will. I'll also read DYH's filter this evening. Work is slow today, so I've been able to play a lot of Mafia, but it's all phone posting. Still waiting. On December 08 2015 00:40 Fidei86 wrote: Gun to my head, on a pure gut read basis, I think the Mafia is likely 2 of LS, Disfo and NM. LS and NM I've discussed. Disfo is something I've been mulling for a while, and it's mostly because I feel all of his posts have tried to look useful but actually haven't been. (Filter dives to follow. I mean it this time). Not sure how "quite a while" translates to "my last mention of him is like super early D2 with a town read", but at least he is looking at more ppl than HtS,NM,LS and Trfel now. So here we have a bunch of trees. Let mediate a bit on the forest though. Yes he was suspicious of HtS early on. Did he push her hard? No. He seemed very sure about LS being scum. Did he push him? No. Does he vote him? No. He is very focused on a small group on people. Maybe trying to pick one out of the misslynch list? The reads on those people are also kinda constant. Like the scum read on LS. Promised to look at DYH, did play dota instead. While I like his interactions with NM, interactions with other ppl seem to lack a bit. Did he actually push anyone so far? So I'd say his desire to solve the game doesn't seem to be very present. Possible vote candidate. Eh, I'm not going to stand here and say that my play this game has been optimal. Plainly it hasn't been. I haven't been as active as I could have been, and I accidentally basically got our blue lynched D1. There's one thing that screams out to me from your post. You accuse me of not voting for LS, after I post that I'm sure he's mafia. D1 I got cold feet. It was a mistake. Lots of people in the thread were talking about switching, and LS was here at least fighting his corner, while kush was AFK. It was a total spur of the moment decision, and it was wrong. DAY 2, WE WERE LYNCHING HTS. WHO FLIPPED F'ING SCUM. AND I GAVE VERY CLEAR REASONS WHY I WOULD NEVER MOVE OFF HER. WHY WOULD I VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE? Ugh. Like, your other reasons for scumming me are fine, but that one is so bogus, it makes my eyes water. On p77/83. Uh crud. I think I messed up with the timestamps and assumed the quote I refer to was from N1 and I was confused why you didn't vote/push LS harder, when you just thought he was slamdunk scum. Rechecked just now and it was way into D2. So yeah sry, ignore this part, I messed up here. =p EBWOP N2 obviously... maybe I just stop posting when tired and full of caffeine... | ||
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Is he normally this active as town? Do you guys think he might be cluttering up the thread with his huge posts on purpose this game? | ||
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On December 08 2015 06:59 LightningStrike wrote: I do have a ton of games under my belt but I was mainly given you my more recent games plus all my scum games Yes. Yes. Good. Good. But why is your filter so long without giving me a clue where your current reads/thoughts are at? | ||
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On December 08 2015 07:13 LightningStrike wrote: Show nested quote + On December 08 2015 07:05 disformation wrote: On December 08 2015 06:59 LightningStrike wrote: I do have a ton of games under my belt but I was mainly given you my more recent games plus all my scum games Yes. Yes. Good. Good. But why is your filter so long without giving me a clue where your current reads/thoughts are at? Ugh they are towards the end of the filter except I starting to rethink about my scum read on DYH. Like his responses to questioning I was trying to see where he's at outside of HTS although it wasn't really well explained but it's better than nothing I guess. Moved DYH to null. Ah, did miss you restating them by quoting in #1362... tough that was still on page 7/9, which is not exactly towards the end of your filter. =p So with DYH at null you currently don't have a scum read? But two null reads in Fidei86 and DYH? | ||
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On December 08 2015 07:18 LightningStrike wrote: Show nested quote + On December 08 2015 07:17 disformation wrote: On December 08 2015 07:13 LightningStrike wrote: On December 08 2015 07:05 disformation wrote: On December 08 2015 06:59 LightningStrike wrote: I do have a ton of games under my belt but I was mainly given you my more recent games plus all my scum games Yes. Yes. Good. Good. But why is your filter so long without giving me a clue where your current reads/thoughts are at? Ugh they are towards the end of the filter except I starting to rethink about my scum read on DYH. Like his responses to questioning I was trying to see where he's at outside of HTS although it wasn't really well explained but it's better than nothing I guess. Moved DYH to null. Ah, did miss you restating them by quoting in #1362... tough that was still on page 7/9, which is not exactly towards the end of your filter. =p So with DYH at null you currently don't have a scum read? But two null reads in Fidei86 and DYH? Pretty much. granted I was doing stuff today so :\ uh... "okay"... updates would be kinda swell though... | ||
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On December 08 2015 08:14 Fidei86 wrote: I'm not convinced by his read progression towards EOD1. He is on kushmasta, then comes off him "because he starts to do stuff". He then sheeps Damdred onto LS, without giving much reasoning and crucially while asking Damdred pointed questions about his own progression. Ah, I can try to explain my thought process on that. From the top of my hat it went like this: 1. Damdred wants to vote LS (without explanation) 2. I look at LS filter and behold it is bad. 3. Damdred was a town-lean at this point, so while I agree on the filter I want to see where damdred is at, so I can sheep him with confidence. 4. I like damdreds answers upgrade him to a town read (I think I also posted this upgrade) and sheep him onto LS On December 08 2015 08:36 Fidei86 wrote: #1570 His read here is actually pretty insightful. It relies upon POE a little bit, but also looking at her read of disfo is pretty smart. Yeah, that is what gives me pause on DYH at this moment. Despite him being wrong on me, this approach is quite fascinating and I just don't see that coming from scum. Meanwhile Trfel's filter is as tough as old boots... not sure if I can finish that before going to bed. | ||
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Rels, why are you so sure LS is town? #1745 : Remember that I did a mistake with the "why is he not voting LS thing" Can totes see DYH being a thing today. Will be here for reelz in about an hour. | ||
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On December 08 2015 22:38 Rels wrote: Show nested quote + On December 08 2015 22:31 disformation wrote: Not yet 100% here. I kinda liked DYH's case on me, but him doing a 180° (again) is kinda strange. I need to double check something on this... Rels, why are you so sure LS is town? #1745 : Remember that I did a mistake with the "why is he not voting LS thing" Can totes see DYH being a thing today. Will be here for reelz in about an hour. I had a post not a long time ago about it. A combination of LS yelling which he has never done as scum + HTS being OK with LS' lynch until 10 minutes before deadline, and then distancing herself from the lynch Ah sry. Btw I was thinking about it for a moment, but I think I can add a bunch of points onto the case againt DYH. in super short: Didn't he say he'd look at my interactions with HtS? No word of that... probably didn't find anything to scum read me off, so he switched? Also if you apply the read technique he used on me and HtS on him and HtS, what do you get? (need to double check this to verify, but from the top of my hat): HtS parked him on a scum lean for most of D1, but didn't push/interact with him. Also voted a bunch of ppl that were not DYH. His only mention of her d1 is that she is middleground and he coudln't find aynthing in her filter. gotta run now, will verify and probably write a case when I am back. | ||
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Full Case on DoYouHas Part 1: There are still a few unexplained holes in his D1 play Let me restate these things. 1.1 On December 03 2015 20:19 Rels wrote: [...]3. A total apathy towards the lynch Here are the two posts DYH made after coming back to EOD: Show nested quote + On December 03 2015 07:01 DoYouHas wrote: Catching up now. I can't see any scum motivation behind Trfel's hard defending of me. It doesn't even look like positioning for my flip is even really a possibility here. I was going after him, voted him, thread sentiment is against me. I'm an easy EASY person for scum trfel to keep the heat on. That he ran the other direction when there is no reason to as mafia is major town points in my book. Unvoting. Show nested quote + On December 03 2015 07:36 DoYouHas wrote: Welp, if you don't have good scumreads, sheep the wagon of your townreads. ##Vote: LS Show nested quote + On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote: What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is. DYH just didn't care about the lynch. The third post was only made after I tried to get people to vote him.[...] 1.2 On December 03 2015 08:15 disformation wrote: [...]His reason for voting LS: Show nested quote + On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote: What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is. Last mention of me in his filter: Show nested quote + On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote: Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped. Gnight folks @LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels. So I am kinda asking myself where he got that magical TR on me from...[...] Part 2: His sudden HtS push/vote Despite having found nothing in HtS filter D1: On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote: Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped. Gnight folks @LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels. He makes a case on her early N1, after NM is replaced in and says he is quite sure HtS is mafia. Sure he posted: On December 03 2015 10:37 DoYouHas wrote: Before you all get ahead of yourselves and this gets lost, lets take a look at Kush's filter and reads. Town reads on myself, trfel, and fid. Scum reads on Moosy and HtS. Convinced to lynch LS over Moosy. Seems pretty suspicious of Rels (#240 & #547) but doesn't really push him. Doesn't townread Palmar like many of us have (myself included). I think it is fair to say that he was at least townie-null on Damdred since it is Damdred's push on LS that got him to change his vote. - Conclusion: I need to reread HtS with the new knowledge of Kush and LS (I agree that the deadline post makes him very, very likely town). Just before NM came in. But that could just be a clever setup for the case. I mean he didn't really care about kush before the lynch and I can imagine HtS telling her teammates to bus her hard as soon as she sees NM replacing in. NM also said that she was at the PC at lynch time. So this plan could have been hatched as soon as like a few minutes after lunch time. Intermediate Part: A few strange posts here and there On December 04 2015 09:03 DoYouHas wrote: BTW, this is the second time everyone ends up agreeing with me and I'm still on most of the scumlists. -_- "Can I has my town cred plx?" On December 06 2015 02:53 DoYouHas wrote: Damdred Reread Palmar- believes he is town through most of the day. Becomes a little less convinced before he dies, but still a townread. Shining- Townread Rels- Townread, thinks he has a penchant for tunneling. LS- He believes the EoD D1 makes LS town. Trfel- Town that is wrong. Spends a lot of time trying to figure trfel out and waivers a lot. Fid- Townread early, likes what he has to say but is suspicious of him for activity/meta reasons. Disfo- Townread but not part of the "Strong town circle" DYH- Liked me early, didn't mention me much, but was ok with shifting to me or kush at EoD. So, null/scumlean. Moosy- Null - Where Damdred overlaps with Kush is the townread on Fid, and that is about it. "Look I am even doing stuff!" Part 3: His scum read on me Again he does a 180° on me out of nowhere. Note that The Shining started to scum read me a while before, so the 2nd time DYH makes a case on someone already under suspicion. The opens up with a classy post on top of the deadline indicating I might be scum: On December 07 2015 08:00 DoYouHas wrote: Looking at HtS's filter I have a couple of thoughts. 1. I am very wrong about Trfel, he is town. 2. Disfo may not be the townie that I thought he was. There are a few things that look off to me between him and HtS. 3. The NM bus theory of Trfel may not be far-fetched. HtS was soft defending moosy. Will elaborate assuming I live. Pretty good bet. Saying things between me and HtS look kinda off. On December 07 2015 09:20 DoYouHas wrote: So this analysis is very similar to votecount, but it is based off of lists that a scum player makes. Every scum player I have ever played with will include at least 1 scum-mate on lists that they make. Here is HtS's first list: + Show Spoiler + On December 01 2015 09:31 Half the Sky wrote: Hey everyone. A few thoughts on my end before I head to bed - Nulls on Rels/Damdred regarding setup discussion/speculation as I feel those are types of posts that can be made as either alignment (and such Rels' scumreads on Do and Damdred could also fall under the same category) by players who know general gameplay well enough. Trfel's comments on LS I have a mixed reaction on. I don't like the following phrasing and here's why: Show nested quote + Second, why would does this make me mafia in any way? Like, why does the fact that LightningStrike posted that he wouldn't be here at the start of the game have any bearing on my alignment? When I read this, I read it as trying to absolve responsibility from self regardless of actual intention (baiting in this case) - it's not what LS posted that is the problem, it's what you (Trfel) did about it. That reaction makes me think whether you are trying to cover something up. Moosy is something I am going to need more time reading given his general playstyle. No read on him so far obviously. disformation hasn't made any reads yets with the Trfel/Damdred interaction going on, and I think that might have been about when he left the thread. Answered Trfel's question, but from recalling the last student game, he did take more stances in that game. So far probable scumleans on Trfel/disformation. Fidei was someone who falls off hard as mafia, first post based on his SOTW 2 performance (mafia) is going to weigh in at NAI. The ONLY thing that jumps out at me from Fidei's post is why he commented on Rels being towny but Damdred not being so even though both talked about the setup, and Damdred seems to make more of a point in trying to get town to coalesence. Moving to Palmar/Shining... 1. Damdred, Rels, Moosy, Trfel, Disfo HtS's second, third, & lynch list: + Show Spoiler + On December 02 2015 04:27 Half the Sky wrote: I need to put my head down again since I'm still feeling pretty sick. Going to go through again Trfel/Damdred/Fidei/disformation etc. on a full re-read. I'm also having issues with town reads. Right now, I need to flesh out Trfel a little more, same for disformation and LS. The lynch list right now is kush/DYH, Onegu is straight policy, but there's got to be an active mafia somewhere. Palmar is probably town but this is a gut feel based on how he proceeded with the case. 2. Trfel, Damdred, Fid, Disfo 3. Trfel, Disfo, LS Lynch: DYH, Kush, Onegu(pure policy) HtS's fourth list: + Show Spoiler + On December 03 2015 04:48 Half the Sky wrote: I'm here. I am still really sick (and thanks for the well wishes all, I hope I will improve) but I'm going to try my best here to answer all the questions possible. Show nested quote + On December 03 2015 03:13 Trfel wrote: On December 03 2015 03:06 LightningStrike wrote: Yeah....On December 03 2015 03:04 Trfel wrote: On December 03 2015 03:01 LightningStrike wrote: And where did you get that conclusion from?On December 03 2015 02:58 Trfel wrote: On December 02 2015 23:07 Half the Sky wrote: First of all, really sorry that you aren't feeling well. Hope you can recover soon.Alright, I just woke up, and I am not feeling any better. I'm headed to a doctor's appointment in an hour, but I am hoping to get back in thread barring anything serious. I fully realise I have a shittonne to catch up on - if anyone has any questions for me, or anything specific they want me to weigh on, please prompt me and I'll do so when I return. Why did you vote for DoYouHas instead of kushm4sta? Why didn't you include LightningStrike in the lynch list? Now that he's (at least mostly, I think?) answered your questions, what do you think about him? Why did your read on me (Trfel) change? read her filter if you want to see her progression on me + Show Spoiler + She thinks I town. On December 02 2015 04:38 Half the Sky wrote: On December 02 2015 04:24 LightningStrike wrote: Okay I here now and Tfrel I did answer HTS just not directly quoted. On December 02 2015 04:15 Half the Sky wrote: Looking at 346/349 - LS, I'm not referring to meta. Let's make sure I'm not misunderstanding you here. I'm not talking about Palmar's tone in general. I'm talking about his case. If you read the context differently, then tell me how you interpreted that. You are saying that he's town because his tone is serious and from 349 it's based on meta. Okay fine, but regardless of meta, why would Palmar's case NOT be serious? What I'm trying to say here is that you are townreading him for a poor reason. I didn't say it wasn't serious? Anyways the way he argued Shining like I said had a serious tone plus like said he did a very similar thing to me in Metal Mini when I was fighting him and felt frustrated with him. It took me a bit of arguing to get him to townread me in that game because I was still a newbie lol.... So it a little both but more towards personal experience with him. Argh, no. I am saying that you said his tone is serious. In any case, you want to say you are giving a personal read towards him. Alright, I still think this is a bad read because like I said before Palmar really can't be done off one read, but now that I've fleshed it out I don't think you are mafia for this. Still need to read the rest of your filter in conjunction with Trfel/Damdred when I return though. "I don't think you are mafia for this" means that Half the Sky is not scum reading you for one specific thing in your filter. As in, she could be scum reading you for the entire rest of your filter. And that's not a townread on that one thing either. Does anyone know if LightningStrike is generally this self-conscious as town with regards to other people's townreads on him? To make a big jump like this and try to assume everything is a townread? Because this is making me doubt my earlier town lean on him. The above is correct. This also partially helps answer Trfel's question to me - LS was not in my lynch list (and relative to the rest of the thread) because D1, similar to SOTW, if there's something that is not clicking I have to flesh his reads out. He was a scumlean based on the stuff he said, I hashed out to make sure I was understanding LS, and it was back to null pending the interactions with other people in the thread. There was a part where he mentioned Trfel casing Damdred (and I still have to go back and look at that, Christ) which would give some indication as to Trfel/Damdred/LS alignments to some extent. Obviously need to catch up on the rest of his filter. Not lynching him until I read and feel otherwise. Trfel, I mentioned a post where I scumleaned you initially for the comment you made on LS. I made an explanation as to why, it was something along the lines of tone and not wanting to take responsibility. There was something else that you mentioned, you answered it, but if you answered that first concern, show me the post where you did. There's a very good chance I missed it. Again, I failed to analyse you v Damdred. DYH over kush - It was part read on Trfel and part lack of followup on Trfel at that time when he commented on Shining/Palmar, which I felt could have come from either alignment. Also I wanted to press him for more reads, and I recall I did that somewhere. Obviously need to check his filter again and see what he's done since. I know I did not scumread him on activity especially since it's my first game with him and I don't know offhand if he's a lurky player. In any instance, I put both in a lynch list and I gave my reasons for not liking kush. Also I think it was you Trfel, whoever it was said that scum doesn't know the setup. This is not true. Look at the day one post. There is a list of 4 setups so that is part of where my statement came from. Additional comments/followups from what I saw from skimming the thread: Rels - posting game details has to be done regardless of whatever else games I'm playing. It either needed to be done when signups went up or very soon after. I was queued in, it had to get done. Take that as you will. Disformation - looking at your response to my last question right now, also did you have a question for me? You said a few times you were looking through my filter. Trfel - did you answer my questions regarding distinguishing activity between DYH and kush? (post 391, again if I missed it point it out) If you looked into Rels based on your last response to me, what did you think of him? (same deal if I missed it) Should hopefully be able to move forward after this. Let me see who is up for lynch and weigh in... 4. Trfel, DYH, Kush, Rels, Disfo - Ok. So she is putting Trfel and Disfo in pretty much all of her lists. By my above heuristic this makes one or both of them more likely to be mafia. However, take a look at her interactions with the people on her lists in her filter and see if any of them feel out of place compared to the others. Compared to her interactions with Trfel, Rels, Damdred and her suspicion of me and Kush, her interaction with Disfo is very bland, flat. She starts with vague scumlean but the rest of her interaction reads more like she is inviting him to interact with her for the sake of interacting. - I think the cross between these two methods is a pretty good reason to scumread Disfo. Please look into it yourselves. ##Vote: Disformation Then he does this post. I kinda like the approach, but it has the problem that it only looks into one direction. How did HtS treat me. I have zero influence and no clue what scum!HtS was planning. She was a coach in NSM17, where my town play was super bad D1 and N1. Maybe she was testing whether she could get me to start being overly defensive and set me up for a misslynch? Who knows? He then says: On December 07 2015 09:48 DoYouHas wrote: But you do bring up a good point. I need to look into this from your side of things. Will filter you after dinner stuff. Which never happend. In his next post he does another 180° on me: On December 08 2015 14:17 DoYouHas wrote: Soooooo, my reason for townreading Trfel apparently is bad. It is association based on his interactions with HtS. I've been looking at his last scum game. If I was playing, I would never have picked up on anything odd between him and Breshke. So confused... This weakens my argument against Disfo as well, even if my initial assumption was true. ##Unvote My to-do before the deadline is to reread the cases on Trfel and Fid, read Fid's filter and decide the more likely scum. So... he sees ppl are not willing to vote me, realizes his one way association thing isn't great and does remove his vote. Though I am not 100% sure how reading Trfel's last game does weaken his stuff on me enough to unvote. Further explanation would be great. Conveniently he chooses two ppl that are suspected by a lot of ppl as his next targets. How does that wrap up in the big picture This part may be a bit WIFOMY, but in my head it makes incredible sense atm. Day 1 he sees that we have a lot of lynch bait around. He does try to get away with the least bit of work and votes whoever. NM gets replaced in, the scum team decides that max bussing for max town cred is the best strategy here. Since his D1 didn't look to great, he goes with for the cred with an early case. N2 he sees the case from The Shining on me. He decides to push me, too in the hopes of setting up the ML. Later he comes back to see, that no one is voting me, but can't find solid evidence to push me further. So he does an other 180° on me and tries to switch to easier targets. Conclusion Hand me a lighter, cause imma lynch this with fire. | ||
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I felt like he was trying a bit more to actually solve the game earlier today, so I feel a bit better about him. So. Switch to DYH, k? | ||
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On December 09 2015 02:29 Fidei86 wrote: (Disclaimer: Currently drunk) What are the odds that Mafia Trfel thread re-enters and calls the current wagon dumpster, and tries for a wagon on NM or Rels who nobody else wants to vote? Isn't it like 17:33 in the UK? Got anything to celebrate? | ||
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On December 09 2015 02:43 NocturneMage wrote: Show nested quote + On December 09 2015 02:29 Fidei86 wrote: (Disclaimer: Currently drunk) What are the odds that Mafia Trfel thread re-enters and calls the current wagon dumpster, and tries for a wagon on NM or Rels who nobody else wants to vote? High. He did this last game, I'm almost positive. Hm. He came in when 3 ppl where voting on his teammate D1 and called that wagon mafia motivated and tried to discredit the wagon starter. | ||
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On December 09 2015 03:11 NocturneMage wrote: Show nested quote + On December 09 2015 03:04 Fidei86 wrote: On December 09 2015 02:51 disformation wrote: On December 09 2015 02:43 NocturneMage wrote: On December 09 2015 02:29 Fidei86 wrote: (Disclaimer: Currently drunk) What are the odds that Mafia Trfel thread re-enters and calls the current wagon dumpster, and tries for a wagon on NM or Rels who nobody else wants to vote? High. He did this last game, I'm almost positive. Hm. He came in when 3 ppl where voting on his teammate D1 and called that wagon mafia motivated and tried to discredit the wagon starter. Doesn't that mean that it would be Trfel DYH? Does that team even make sense? Is it likely the two main wagons Trfel and DYH (NM! Lynch LS with me) are both Mafia? Xmas party at work. It is absolutely possible that the team is HTS/DYH/Trfel (particularly with Trfel's hard defence of DYH and DYH looking into Trfel, albeit slightly delayed), and I said to Rels that the points on DYH can be sorted, but the evidence against Trfel is more definitive and alignment indicative than what is on DYH. How likely is another question though and I had tried to make the argument that you always lynch the more likely mafia of the two. HTS was 1000% more likely than DYH yesterday, and Trfel is much more likely than DYH today. he is making a position change that he cannot possibly believe. the bussing argument has been beaten to death, rels needs to explain how the read on me isn't natural because I'm apparently too dumb to see it. What exactly do you mean with the "position change that he cannot possibly believe." His switch onto Rels just now? His last mention of Rels is this bit at the end of: On December 06 2015 11:17 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + I'm always terrible at trying to understand the "town vs town" or "mafia vs town" or "mafia vs mafia" conclusions that people make with regards to arguments... Can you please walk me through why you think it's town vs town (other than individual reads)? Why would mafia want to "run interference" (assuming you're meaning break up the argument) between two townies scumreading each other?On December 06 2015 11:13 The Shining wrote: Lol I didn't see that post. +1 for agreeing. I don't like silent nights either, I was just poking fun at you with the case comment lol. Whenever you decide to make that case, though, I'll read it but considering I have you both town, and no one has really run interference between you two, my gut tells me it's a town v town kind of thing. Especially since you're under suspicion. Actually you said a lot of people are suspicious of you. I have a few that come to mind when you say that but who were you referring to? I'm referring to nearly everyone. DoYouHas, Rels, Fidei86, LightningStrike, disformation, NocturneMage, Fecalfeast, and Palmar, I think. Could be wrong on one or two, but either way that is a lot of people. | ||
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On December 06 2015 08:04 Trfel wrote: Okay, so NOW we can talk about what the flip means about other peoples' alignments. The reason I wanted to wait is to see what Half the Sky did when she came back to the thread. Not what she did, but how much effort she put in. If the lynch was led by non-mafia, Half the Sky would be more likely to put in a ton of effort to try and fight it. If the lynch was led by mafia, Half the Sky would be more likely to avoid fighting it, since it's inevitable. To me, Half the Sky's effort appeared to be an attempt to make it look like the bus wasn't planned and that she was sort of trying to fight it, but that seems that it wasn't the case. Half the Sky's End of Day play looked more like she was playing for completeness instead of trying to survive. Half the Sky, for future reference, when you come back to the thread like that you aren't supposed to answer questions. You're getting lynched there no matter what, don't answer questions and give last reads. A list post, or something. There wasn't really any doubt about your alignment, but just so you know for the future. Should not only apply to NM but also to DYH? But his last read on DYH is a town lean: On December 05 2015 18:00 Trfel wrote: Most of my issues with DoYouHas are, on some level, wording issues. This really makes me hesitate to lynch him, because wording issues aren't very reliable. A lot of the things that DoYouHas has done this game are fairly good. His reads feel natural and town motivated, and while I don't agree with a lot of his decisions (or think that his conclusions are what he ought to arrive at based on what he says), I don't feel that his conclusions are faked and it feels more like he genuinely just thinks differently than me. Unfortunately, when DoYouHas came back towards End of Day 1, he wasn't very active. He didn't seem to really care to look into lynch candidates or push his lynch at all. While I don't like this, I can still see it coming from town for a variety of reasons, it leaves a horrible taste in my mouth, but I can't lynch DoYouHas for this alone. One interesting thing that I noticed about this is to look at the times where DoYouHas comes to the thread on each day (24 hour day, not mafia day). In the first and third 24 hour day, he arrives 2-3 hours after the deadline. In the second 24 hour day (where the lynch is), he arrives an hour before the deadline. This suggests that he might be busier than normal at this time, and perhaps not in full capacity to read, post, and investigate things. This isn't all that important, but it's an example of a potential hole in the scumread for this reason. DoYouHas didn't mention this, but he does seem to be an extremely slow player, such that an hour may not be enough time for him to do a that much reading and trying to find a lynch target. Looking more carefully at DoYouHas' case on Half the Sky, more than half of the points are directly about or primarily refer to things that happened towards End of Day 1, or after he first went through Half the Sky's filter and got nothing. Also, I sort of asked some questions to DoYouHas earlier that he already answered. And he already answered in exactly the way that I'd expect town to answer. It doesn't make him town, by any means, but he continues to respond to suspicion exactly like I feel that town would. Ignoring associations with Half the Sky for now (and will continue do so until after the lynch, or perhaps baby seals), DoYouHas still seems like a town lean. His play is not scummy, wording issues aren't scummy. His play makes sense and shows some critical thinking. The biggest issue with his play is activity. While he was more active in previous games, two things. First, those games were a long time ago, it's very possible that either his schedule or play has changed since then. Second, games were a bit shorter then and the playstyle was different. I think that it is safest to primarily judge his play based on what he's done in this game, and I don't feel comfortable lynching him at all. Probably a town lean, though the lower activity makes this difficult, but I think I go with my instinct for now (that DoYouHas is town). So to him NM is a individual scum read and could be bussing, while DYH is a town lean that could be bussing. So NM over DYH makes sense to me from that perspective. No clue what to think about that rels switch though. | ||
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On December 09 2015 05:07 Fidei86 wrote: This party is going on and I won't have time to read more filters. Please move on to LS. I will consolidate if it's clear its Trfel or DY, but I don't want to lynch either of them right now. Well. I have a pretty good case on DYH imo. So I obv would prefer lynching him. Trfel is a waffleboat and his Rels vote is pretty much wtf. I am kinda sheeping Damdred and Rels on LS, not too fond of his filter personally. *sigh* let me look at Trfel a bit once more. | ||
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On December 09 2015 06:14 The Shining wrote: I love Monday Tuesday phases. /sarcasm Phone posting. I still want to lynch ff or disfo, honestly. FF taking the cheap sheep route is bad. And disfos posts just aren't feeling like the town disfo I played with before. Weak meta reads because I don't have time to filter but I really do feel I'm right on at least one of these, probably disfo. I liked DYHs points on hts association, too, I've made similar cases over weird interactions and reads between scummates before. I wish he hadn't backed down on it. NM Rels Trfel and DYH are town pile. Fidei doesn't feel as bad to me anymore. Voting disfo or ff. Did you at least read my case on DYH? Like I wrote the best case of my "career" on tl.net and everybody is just like "nah". -.- Meanwhile: Trfel's filter is still as tough as old boots. But can anyone tell my why he is voting Rels? There was a kinda old case in his filter that was pretty bad, followed by some waffling on Rels, but no idea why he would stick his vote onto Rels... -.- | ||
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On December 09 2015 06:22 LightningStrike wrote: I'm here guys what up? We are trying to form a circle with votes. If The Shining votes me and DoYouHas votes The Shining. It should be complete. | ||
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On December 09 2015 06:26 NocturneMage wrote: something came up, and I'm still not able to get to a pc, another 30 min preferred lynch by far is trfel or ls, preferably trfel, dyh would be a serious compromise but I will not vote him without a filter dive and sorting through rels' concerns *cough* *cough* I wrote a 'small' case on him... | ||
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Remember that you are to play to your wincon and martyring is pretty BM. | ||
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On December 09 2015 07:04 DoYouHas wrote: Show nested quote + On December 09 2015 06:52 NocturneMage wrote: On December 09 2015 03:16 Rels wrote: On December 09 2015 03:11 NocturneMage wrote: On December 09 2015 03:04 Fidei86 wrote: On December 09 2015 02:51 disformation wrote: On December 09 2015 02:43 NocturneMage wrote: On December 09 2015 02:29 Fidei86 wrote: (Disclaimer: Currently drunk) What are the odds that Mafia Trfel thread re-enters and calls the current wagon dumpster, and tries for a wagon on NM or Rels who nobody else wants to vote? High. He did this last game, I'm almost positive. Hm. He came in when 3 ppl where voting on his teammate D1 and called that wagon mafia motivated and tried to discredit the wagon starter. Doesn't that mean that it would be Trfel DYH? Does that team even make sense? Is it likely the two main wagons Trfel and DYH (NM! Lynch LS with me) are both Mafia? Xmas party at work. It is absolutely possible that the team is HTS/DYH/Trfel (particularly with Trfel's hard defence of DYH and DYH looking into Trfel, albeit slightly delayed), and I said to Rels that the points on DYH can be sorted, but the evidence against Trfel is more definitive and alignment indicative than what is on DYH. How likely is another question though and I had tried to make the argument that you always lynch the more likely mafia of the two. HTS was 1000% more likely than DYH yesterday, and Trfel is much more likely than DYH today. he is making a position change that he cannot possibly believe. the bussing argument has been beaten to death, rels needs to explain how the read on me isn't natural because I'm apparently too dumb to see it. He mentioned that he kinda townread you; then he mentioned the NM busing theory makes some sense; then he drops it entirely. continuing back end of filter. This is entirely true, now to check it in context. two questions (1) prioritisation of issues, not clear on how to pursue people - why trfel and fidei, disfo drop was fine because it was the same issue - they can't control what hts does and so they have to look at the interactions from both people. (2) were some of these statements with thread sentiment, like to blend in? checking context of thread. might even need to parse a scum game of his. still really not sure this trumps trfel but damn me if I don't check shit first. I'm here through deadline now. Ask me stuff. I'm reading filters atm. Disfo, you should shelf the title of "best case of career" for when you write one with a correct conclusion. Okay, will keep that part of the shelf free until you flip red. Since the case apparently isn't even enough to get you lynched it is probably still not good enough. On December 09 2015 07:07 Fidei86 wrote: Hey Rels. LS posted in caps again. Guess that means he's town right? Well, he is kinda annoying. I really dislike the self vote thing. Moosy likes to do that, too. | ||
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First the obvious one you are hopefully currently working on: Who do you want to lynch tonight? And if you have some time I'd like you to explain why you flipped on me again, because I can't 100% follow your thoughts on that and I am not a fan of guessing other peoples reads. | ||
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On December 09 2015 07:16 DoYouHas wrote: I haven't completely flipped on you. I am still quite suspicious. Unless shining gets in here and helps me, that doesn't matter at the moment. I said my case was weaker because I realized that I wasn't able to recognize that trfel could have had that much interaction with HtS and still be either alignment. He had interactions with Breshke last game that even knowing both of their alignments, I wouldn't have found it suspect. That means the back half of my reasoning on you is not as sound as it needed to be to push your lynch. Well, okay that makes more sense, thanks for answering. | ||
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On December 09 2015 07:28 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + But LightningStrike is town for other reasons. At least, I think...On December 09 2015 07:20 NocturneMage wrote: On December 09 2015 07:13 Trfel wrote: Change of assumptions. I'm going to assume that even if I don't know why, the most active/vocal posters are town and mostly wrong. And the mafia are casually standing by the side, watching and sometimes supporting, but letting others lead. I think that this points at Fecalfeast. Thoughts? The same thing applies to LS but he's just posting just to post and the case on Fidei was beyond awful. I need to re-read his filter last game, can I do that in 40 minutes plus all this other shit.... Wait, he actually made a case? 10 page filter and a case? No way he is mafia. That case was pretty much 80% my case on fidei86 from before when Fidei86 started to actually try and solve the game today. | ||
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On December 09 2015 07:31 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm at work now, it's deadline isn't it? 28mins left. yes. | ||
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Though, the thing with the active ppl being town and mafia doing jack could be true. Seen that happen before. And with everyone's reads all over the place mafia could very well be hiding under a rock or something. | ||
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On December 09 2015 07:43 Fecalfeast wrote: Show nested quote + On December 09 2015 07:41 Trfel wrote: On December 09 2015 07:37 Fecalfeast wrote: I thought you prided yourself in being an unexpectedly hard mislynch?Shenanigans onto fecalfeast then? I couldn't care less about this game right now. As I recall from last game, "it's encouraging that this is all the scummer has to push on". I just spent 2 full days playing fallout and tinkering with my PC. I just caught up on the entire day phase now. If I die I don't have to read and mafia is never going t shoot me got any reads from catching up? | ||
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Do you guys remembering FF enter the thread? At first he was like doing a lot of stuff and I was quite suspect because in last game he was ultra lazy. THen suddenly he goes all "lolz fallout 4"? Voting | ||
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Less waffly? Scum read. Actually pushes people? Scum read. Semi decent case? Scum read. Hammers Scum? Scum read. Super fun. | ||
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On December 09 2015 08:22 The Shining wrote: Show nested quote + On December 09 2015 08:12 NocturneMage wrote: On December 09 2015 08:09 Rels wrote: On December 09 2015 08:08 Rels wrote: On December 09 2015 08:08 The Shining wrote: On December 09 2015 08:04 Rels wrote: On December 09 2015 08:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Fecalfeast (3): Trfel, The Shining, disformation These are confirmed town =D Perfect Not necessarily. Disfo is on my and dyhs radar. And no one wanted to lynch disfo. NM and you both posted a possible Yolo vote on ff so he could've felt the pressure and jumped for town cred Pretty sure he voted before both NM and I said that. I was wrong. Hmmmm alright. Well I'll tell you what. We have all of night phase then. I'll look into disformation since you clearly earned that once with this lynch. I had no reason to scumread you before so obviously... Hear hear. There is one scum left. It's 6:1. Nk tonight. 5:1. ML 4:1 Nk 3:1 IF IT'S 3:1 TOWN SHOULD SLEEP. NO BLUE FLIP = BLUE CLAIMS. then 2:1 lylo We still have a mislynch. Everyone should post their 2 lynches that solve the game. Im thinking disfo/dyh. DISFO FIRST. Everyone else go Well, town has a bunch of misslynches so if I have to flip green for you to finally lynch DYH I'll gladly do so for ya. | ||
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On December 09 2015 08:33 The Shining wrote: Show nested quote + On December 09 2015 08:25 disformation wrote: TLDR of The Shinings scum read on me: Less waffly? Scum read. Actually pushes people? Scum read. Semi decent case? Scum read. Hammers Scum? Scum read. Super fun. Is it horrible of me to say this is somewhat accurate? You haven't rolled scum in past games and didn't do any of these in those games. It seriously hinders my ability to tr you. Noted. Instead of getting better at the game I shall remain stagnant. Doesn't seem to matter much whether I get scum read for being waffly or not being waffly. -.- | ||
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On December 09 2015 08:51 The Shining wrote: Show nested quote + On December 09 2015 08:40 disformation wrote: On December 09 2015 08:33 The Shining wrote: On December 09 2015 08:25 disformation wrote: TLDR of The Shinings scum read on me: Less waffly? Scum read. Actually pushes people? Scum read. Semi decent case? Scum read. Hammers Scum? Scum read. Super fun. Is it horrible of me to say this is somewhat accurate? You haven't rolled scum in past games and didn't do any of these in those games. It seriously hinders my ability to tr you. Noted. Instead of getting better at the game I shall remain stagnant. Doesn't seem to matter much whether I get scum read for being waffly or not being waffly. -.- Well on the off chance that you are town, I don't want to tilt you. But I will say guilting me like this for my read is a mafia trait, especially when I've lynched 2/3 scum. But we can get back to this next day phase if I live through the night. Objectively, though, since it's been brought up that disfo hammering ff doesn't make sense thru votes. But look at votes every phase. Disfo imo looked really bad for being the outlier on hts. He needed the cred for this lynch just to offset that. But I'll stop tunneling. See y'all later Nah, don't worry. So far I have managed to avoid posting stuff when on tilt. On December 09 2015 14:37 The Shining wrote: So I said I wouldn't tunnel. I lied. Disformation is SCUM. I'll probably get around to another filter or 2 soon but here is Disformation's filter RE: fecalfeast/onegu, with some HtS spinkled in. Keep in mind this guy has an 11 page filter. + Show Spoiler + On December 02 2015 07:28 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On December 02 2015 07:17 Rels wrote: On December 02 2015 06:11 disformation wrote: Ah nearly forgot to mention: The Shining was asking DYI about: On December 01 2015 09:49 The Shining wrote: On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote: I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now. TLDR: you crazy trfel What was the one point in Damded's first point you didn't agree with? Do you have any other reads outside of Damdred? So I am looking forward to finding out whether DYH answered that. On December 01 2015 11:36 DoYouHas wrote: On December 01 2015 09:49 The Shining wrote: On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote: I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now. TLDR: you crazy trfel What was the one point in Damded's first point you didn't agree with? Do you have any other reads outside of Damdred? In his second point he encouraged us to all make as many reads as we can. A swarm of reads, particularly ones that aren't strong just scatter the focus of the thread and make rereads a quagmire. I dislike lots of lists. There are a few times when giving a more complete picture of how you view the game is useful, like right before the end of the night. On the Shining/Palmar interaction so far. Palmar seems town to me with the productive way he is pressuring. I also like his reasoning as he is going after Shining. That being said, everything after this post + Show Spoiler + On December 01 2015 09:44 The Shining wrote: Welp since I'm a moron so early in the game, I see no reason to talk to Palmar now or ever again this game. If you're town, consider the fact that you just pissed off a townie to the point where I'm going to think everything you're doing in this game is wrong. So you can have fun pushing the d1 mislynch in me or leave me around and bumping heads with me the rest of the game. Talking to you isn't going to get either of us anywhere and I'm done with it. Get me lynched if you want, I just think you're retarded and stubborn town at this point and I still think Fidei's post is a lot less fine than you make it out to be so there's no reason for me to try and convince you otherwise. Strikes me as VERY townie. Fast, frustrated, and spiteful. The way he kept coming back for more after saying he was out feels like genuine emotional reaction to being pushed wrongly. Palmar basically pressured something that was a little out of place and then ran with it when Shining reacted poorly and went for OMGUS. For me that isn't enough for a lynch with my feel for Shining's play stated above. You ninja you. Show nested quote + On December 01 2015 19:12 Rels wrote: Useful List of Useless People Onegu kushmasta DoYouHas Do stuff or be lynched. Can we add MoosyDoosy to this list? Also while we are mentioning Onegu: I shadowed him once, when he was town and I vaguely remember some talk in that game about him claiming/not claiming VT. He simply does this as both alignments right? The above spoiler is the first mention of Onegu in his filter, page 3. No read on him, just a question about him doing the VT claim as both alignments. Admittedly there was nothing much to read him on but there it is. Here is another mention page 4 of his filter. Something interesting I noticed, Onegu's name came up in the post even though he wasn't spoken about. But another thing I wanted to point out. + Show Spoiler + On December 03 2015 04:52 disformation wrote: @HtS: Show nested quote + On December 02 2015 09:21 disformation wrote: On December 02 2015 04:27 Half the Sky wrote: Regarding Rels, I recall him being nitpicky from his town games but nothing about the nitpicking jumps out as scumlike. Trfel why do you think he's being opportunistic with DYH? (It was based off a read progression and not activity.) I am not sure I understand the part on Rels. Him being nitpicky is town but his nitpicking (I assume in this game) doesn't seem scumlike? More things I want to look at: HtS case on LS. Rels. Not sure if I will get that done before going to bed though. Also: Show nested quote + On December 02 2015 04:27 Half the Sky wrote: I need to put my head down again since I'm still feeling pretty sick. Going to go through again Trfel/Damdred/Fidei/disformation etc. on a full re-read. I'm also having issues with town reads. Right now, I need to flesh out Trfel a little more, same for disformation and LS. The lynch list right now is kush/DYH, Onegu is straight policy, but there's got to be an active mafia somewhere. Palmar is probably town but this is a gut feel based on how he proceeded with the case. Why did you want to re-read me here? That post was after you asked me some questions, but before I answered them. If HtS is his partner here, here's very aware of her re-reading him. I'm not sure what to make of it but her having to flesh out her Disfo could be a distancing on having to read him one way or the other. I'll have to check her filter to see if she ever got around to it. But look at HtS lynch list. This was early enough that I don't think bussing or soft pushing was plausible. Onegu is "straight policy", not a good lynch becuz that was the FF slot, aka her scum partner. But willing to lynch kush/DYH...kush flipped town. I'm thinking DYH would, too. And the way he's asking her why she wants to re-read him here is weird. It's not like he's trying to figure out her alignment, he's just asking her what she's doing. Remember that when she was lynched, he still had her at null and didn't vote her. + Show Spoiler + On December 03 2015 04:52 disformation wrote: @HtS: Show nested quote + On December 02 2015 09:21 disformation wrote: On December 02 2015 04:27 Half the Sky wrote: Regarding Rels, I recall him being nitpicky from his town games but nothing about the nitpicking jumps out as scumlike. Trfel why do you think he's being opportunistic with DYH? (It was based off a read progression and not activity.) I am not sure I understand the part on Rels. Him being nitpicky is town but his nitpicking (I assume in this game) doesn't seem scumlike? More things I want to look at: HtS case on LS. Rels. Not sure if I will get that done before going to bed though. Also: Show nested quote + On December 02 2015 04:27 Half the Sky wrote: I need to put my head down again since I'm still feeling pretty sick. Going to go through again Trfel/Damdred/Fidei/disformation etc. on a full re-read. I'm also having issues with town reads. Right now, I need to flesh out Trfel a little more, same for disformation and LS. The lynch list right now is kush/DYH, Onegu is straight policy, but there's got to be an active mafia somewhere. Palmar is probably town but this is a gut feel based on how he proceeded with the case. Why did you want to re-read me here? That post was after you asked me some questions, but before I answered them. Next is also on page 4. Another instance where Onegu's name on search came up, but he wasn't directly discussing him. On December 03 2015 07:52 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On December 03 2015 07:51 Rels wrote: On December 03 2015 07:50 The Shining wrote: With the amount of voting reminders I've received, it wouldn't shock me if both MD and Onegu were modkilled. But that doesn't help us figure out the lynch here. I will say if either one ninjas in a vote before EoD and doesn't post anything, its going to look really bad. I know for a fact that Onegu's absence is NAI. ++ on Moosy. Can you read DYH's filter ? It is super short. Yeah, his filter is also super bad. I was talking about this earlier. His last post before he vanished gave a bit of a pause, cause it makes less sense for scum... fuck is this game hard. This post is interesting because someone, can't remember who, said the whole idea of "fuck this game is hard" is a mafia tactic to discourage and throw town on tilt. Rels mentions Onegu's absence being NAI but disformation neither agrees nor disagrees here. Also, the quote tree is from Rels to Shining, asking me to read DYH's filter. Disformation chose to answer this for himself, for some reason. On page 5 of his filter, his next mention of the FF/Onegu slot is after FF replaced. + Show Spoiler + On December 04 2015 00:08 disformation wrote: hi, everyone. Doing some chores so semi-around. Some quick thoughts: NocturneMage's Entry: I agree that it feels a bit off that the first post sounds like he is pretty sure HtS is scum and in the last one he talks to her from both perspectives. But I played with both town!NM and scum!NM and his play is like day and night depending on alignment. You can check out NSM13 and NSM 17 to verify. So I feel he will be pretty easy to read, when he plays D2. FecalFeast At first I was a bit worried because he was super lazy in NSM17 as town (until EoD2), but then he mentioned not being here because Fallout 4, so that code checks out. DYH I 100% agree with Rels case. HtS From the top of my head I feel like there is a certain lack on follow ups. I also remembered playing with town!HtS in my first game (NSM9), where she was interrogating me inquisiton style EoD1 and D2 to get some conclusions from me. That kind of fire is a bit missing here I feel. So her coming back to follow up on the promised re-reads of people and throwing out some reads, would be great. These few reads. He gives NM a D2 pass. But it's his FecalFeast and HtS reads that strike me as weird. He softs on HtS, certain lack of follow ups, hints that she plays a different style as town and that that fire is missing. But he leaves her an opening to follow up on re-reads and throw out reads Also, at first he was a bit worried because FF is super lazy as town but since his Fallout excuse checks out, he's less worried. So how is this worrying? If he's super lazy as town, and he's being lazy as town here(which he wasn't town), how would this make you worry? I just don't understand the statement/thought/read. Note that they never once interacted up to this point, at least in Disformation's filter. Here is the first interaction I found, also on page 5: + Show Spoiler + On December 04 2015 08:50 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On December 04 2015 08:21 Fecalfeast wrote: no no disform, he entered the game saying he was going to scumread hts before he even read the game. He doesn't need any more explanation than that Yeah. Not entirely trusting NM at the moment. But I also am kinda null of HtS (as explained at night). At the very least I think the case can help us figure out NM, so I want to see what he got. Also HtS has not posted a single thing the nightphase, right? Disfo asks NM to explain his HtS read and vote before NM posted his case. FF makes that post and Disfo follows FF's train of logic to not entirely trust NM. So both are skeptical and suspicious of NM voting confirmed scum HtS. "Kinda null on HtS" is a weird thing to reiterate, too. And instead of going to check her filter to land on either side of null, or to even check if she's posted a single thing during nightphase, he asks the thread instead. This is a thread temperature check. There is another post on page 5 of his filter where he does some voting analysis RE: the kush lynch. This post is interesting, as well. + Show Spoiler + On December 04 2015 10:09 disformation wrote: Vote Count D1 Kushm4sta (7): Fidei86, Damdred, LS, Shining, Rels, HTS, Palm LightningStrike (4): disformation, kushm4sta, DoYouHas, Trfel Not Voting (2): MoosyDoosy, Onegu So. I would assume that at least 1 mafia is on the Kushm4sta train. Let us look at the read progression on kush.. Fidei86
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So. Nearly all ppl had multiple mentions of kush as useless and/or expressed some degree of willingness to lynch him before the EoD trouble. LightningStrike didn't, but him voting kush was for survival and pretty NAI. For Palmar it is in line with his desire to lynch inactive baddies. Rels and The Shining have the least amount of previous mentions of kush before, but I don't see anything suggesting a scum mindset for the switch either... The kush thing also happend in a few minutes, so I am not sure if the order/timing of votes does have much impact either... Hope I can add some red colour to my next attempt at VCA as this one wasn't significant. TLDR: Let's look at everyone voting kush and their progression on kush. In order, with quotes. Now look at his summaries. Nearly everyone had problems with the kush uselessness, or had willingness to lynch him. Conclusions? LS voting for kush was for survival and NAI. Palmar? It fits with him wanting to lynch inactive baddies. Rels and Shining? Least amounts of previous mentions of kush, but nothing suggesting a scum mindset for the switch. Who did he leave out on his conclusion? Half The Sky, who happened to be a null read before this. There is literally no attempt to figure out the alignment on someone he has as null while doing vote count analysis. Next is a short little interaction between FF and disfo. I went into FF's filter to get the most I could out of it and it reminded me that scumteams have trouble interacting with eachother in-thread. This is also on page 5 of Disfo's filter. + Show Spoiler + On December 04 2015 10:33 Fecalfeast wrote: Show nested quote + On December 04 2015 10:24 disformation wrote: On December 04 2015 10:15 Fecalfeast wrote: I replaced into one of these high effort games eh? I don't think I can compete with Trfel. This HtS thing is super confusing to me right now, so I was trying to find something in the EoD1. Like Trfel is sending mixed signal, NocturneMage replaced into a super shady looking slot with some shady looking entry posts and the guy I have a scum read on (DYH) hesitates not a second to vote with NM... though after rereading DYH's case on HtS it isn't bad... which brings me to the next point: If I ignore HtS's sickness, she doesn't good either. Can't even hope that Damdred comes in, drops three one liners, and drops some of his logic... Btw, do you have a read on DYH? not yet no Disfo finds it necessary to respond to FF about this being a high effort game, as if he's hyper-aware of FF. But it's not a direct interaction that leads to anything. DYH is suspicious and didn't hesitate to vote with NM. But after rereading DYH's case on HtS it isn't bad. If I ignore HtS sickness, she doesn't look good. It's like he doesn't know whether to vote his scummate HtS or push someone else. So he asks FF if he has a read on DYH. "not yet no" reads like classic scum not wanting/knowing how to interact with other scum. Short, curt, we interacted, move on. Around this time, his nullread/potential scummate HtS is starting to get scummed and pushed hard by DYH and NM. DYH is the lower content, less townread of the 2 so he starts tunneling him. Hard. Even making preflip association between him and HtS. + Show Spoiler + On December 04 2015 10:44 disformation wrote: So for the record: I think DYH is scum. If you are right and HtS is scum, too, then yes he is bussing her. But that is preflip association stuff. He still hasn't moved off of HtS being null and keeps pushing DYH. He tries to get Rels onboard by quoting his earlier case on DYH. Most of his filter page 6 is about DYH. Then there's this: + Show Spoiler + On December 05 2015 01:19 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On December 05 2015 01:11 Rels wrote: Disfo: one of NM and HTS is probably scum. Can you chose one ? I don't think this comes from scum!NM Show nested quote + On December 05 2015 00:25 NocturneMage wrote: I also heavily believe LS is Mafia. He's going out after Dani. If Dani flips town, I am giving her my next two weeks' salary and I'll take a mislynch because I am that fucking bad at understanding someone I know extremely well in real life. There is zero fucking chance she is town. Zero. Rels, I can understand you being hesitant because I'm not being "analytical" but this is HTS we are talking about here. She is a weasel when she is Mafia. And as explained here: Show nested quote + On December 04 2015 00:08 disformation wrote: HtS From the top of my head I feel like there is a certain lack on follow ups. I also remembered playing with town!HtS in my first game (NSM9), where she was interrogating me inquisiton style EoD1 and D2 to get some conclusions from me. That kind of fire is a bit missing here I feel. So her coming back to follow up on the promised re-reads of people and throwing out some reads, would be great. I think HtS is null at best. Since NM is starting to gain a bunch of townie brownies and I believe that his read on HtS is godtier, HtS has a pretty high chance of flipping scum. ...shit. Am I tunneled on DYH? Rels wants him to pick the more likely scum between HtS and NM. Instead of picking one, he says this play can't come from scumNM, then continues to cling onto that nullread of HtS. Next sentence? HtS has a pretty high chance of flipping scum. What?? Then questioning if he's tunneled on DYH. Yes, he is. NM even picks up on this contradiction and Disfo explains it away as the null being his earlier position, and him now warming up to NM's case and an HtS lynch. Page 7 of his filter has a few posts giving more town cred to NM and reasons why. But he never votes HtS. Now we get what is a pretty telling list post to me. + Show Spoiler + On December 05 2015 07:35 disformation wrote: Okay. Heads up: As per my pre game excuse I won't have time to play tomorrow. I am at my parents' in the afternoon and go to a friends' straight from there. Will miss the deadline by an hour or something. I might get a few phone posts in here and there, but don't count on it. Will be here for another like 4 hours, so if you have questions: shoot now before you regret it. So I am currently at: town Palmar Rels The Shining town leans NoctuneMage FF LightningStrike scum Half the Sky DoYouHas wtf bananaboat Trfel Super sleeping on and need to read the filter Fidei86 So some people said that it made sense for him to vote DYH over HtS D2 because he had HtS as null. THIS POST DISPROVES THAT. HE SCUMMED HTS. It's also interesting to note that up to this point, there's been almost NO interaction with FF, but he has him at a townlean. Why is this? Then a little while after: + Show Spoiler + On December 05 2015 08:17 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On December 05 2015 08:12 Fecalfeast wrote: Ok am at work what's up boys I see hts still hasn't popped up? Guess she gave up? Hmmm... I think her last post was at start of N1 when kush flipped? So possible. Currently looking at Fidei86's filter. Any questions for me while I am around? Have you looked at DYH, yet? Just like the last time, FF makes a vague post directed at no one in particular, and Disfo feels compelled to answer it. But he still tries to get FF to read DYH. If he really thinks HtS is also scum, why is he so adamant about now-confirmed scum FF reading DYH? He also seems to have just slapped a townread on FF for no apparent reason and is trying to get him to push DYH with him. Another gem on page 7: + Show Spoiler + On December 05 2015 11:26 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On December 05 2015 11:07 Fecalfeast wrote: On December 05 2015 11:01 Trfel wrote: On December 05 2015 10:55 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm fairly suspicious of DoYouHas. I'm not really sure what implications a Half the Sky scum flip would have on DoYouHas.On December 05 2015 10:29 Trfel wrote: On December 05 2015 10:06 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm clearly not playing this game right because I actually really, really like what disformation says here. But I didn't care that much when he first said it On December 04 2015 10:51 disformation wrote: Too make my argument a bit more readable:
Wat? I have pointed this problem out, Rels has pointed this out, but nothing happens. can you flesh out why you think this progression is scummy any further? I'm looking at this filter and while it's a little short on portion size it's looking pretty well explained. Not to mention the fact that if HTS flips red here the fact remains that he brought her up as a potential target before NM + Show Spoiler + On December 03 2015 11:08 NocturneMage wrote: hts is a sleazeball as mafia, I love her to death, but I'll pretty much know immediately if she's mafia because I obviously know her in real life and if she's out of bounds with her personality, she is almost certainly mafia. obviously if I think she's mafia, I will case her in a way that doesn't require you to know her in real life. unless her dota friends want to argue they have some feels on her from external behaviour. rels, fidei? I'm looking at you two. although seeing doyouhas' post, if hts got someone lynched who was scumreading her, that is a major red flag in my book. that is routine mafia play for her. dani as mafia will absolutely push the lynches of the people who want her dead. so dyh, what was her role in the lynch? Basically, DoYouHas (in the middle of Day 1 ish) stated that he was going to take a look at the people in the "middle" (because he felt that the most active/vocal people were town). Fair enough. He looked at Fidei86, Half the Sky, LightningStrike, and disformation, and didn't get anything out of it. I'm not sure if this means he didn't get any scumreads out of this or if he didn't get any reads at all from this, if I can catch DoYouHas sometime I'd like to ask this. From this, two things happened. First, he came up with a townread on disformation (because he was sheeping the wagon of his townreads, and mentioned disformation). Second, he got a scumread and case on Half the Sky Night 1, despite not getting much scummy (presumably) from her filter earlier. Hm, I guess this makes sense. Maybe I need to look more closely but let's assume there's no shenanigans tomorrow and HTS flips red. What does that make you think of DYH? Do you have any thoughts about NocturneMage or anyone else that you want to talk about? DYH brought up HTS as possibler scum before NM and NM referenced DYH in his post calling HTS scummy. I think NM's entrance set a bit of a scummy tone initially but his recent postings have been pointed and he seems to be following a logical thought progression. He's obviously very confident in his HTS read which is why I'm sheeped all over that. I think NM is towny though I'm pretty allergic to deep reading right now. also he has 5 pages after replacing in night 1, is NM known to be a high effort scum? In NM's only scum game so far, where he was the godfather and got lynched on D3, he had a 3 page filter. And if HtS flips scum (probably will), I will look at the votes, their timings and the reasons for the vote. Yes, DYH did bring up HtS first. But this was after he had previously found nothing in her filter and MD got replaced by NM. NM also mentioned that HtS is good at coaching. Since DYH case on HtS is of a much higher quality than his previous posts, I could see him being coached on that. So yeah, I think this has a good chance of being a bus. He thinks HtS will probably flip scum, as per this post. And continues to make unflipped association about a bus. As if he knows HtS is going to flip scum. Then there's a post where he hopes we'll get more info from the votes on D2, when everyone but him is voting HtS. I just can't understand why he wouldn't consolidate onto HtS when she was one of his 2 scumreads. Instead, he keeps up his tunnel DYH(He's doing it even now). Since HtS flipped, the next few posts will be his interactions and talk on FF. It's interesting to note his first post on page 8 of his filter, he can now put his bus theory to work because HtS flipped scum. This is a post on page 8 RE: Fecalfeast: + Show Spoiler + On December 07 2015 07:38 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On December 07 2015 07:28 Fecalfeast wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4pzLJdHddU just slept for 12 hours this song speaks to me on a deep level. Did we ever establish the setup based on hts' flip? Do I have to write a last will in case we have a patient vig? "Unfortunately, this video is not available in your country because it could contain music, for which we could not agree on conditions of use with GEMA." And I was looking forward to some good scum-huntin' music. And yeah I think we still have 3 possible setups? Also no clue bout the patient vigi... if you feel like someone is watching you and taking aim, a few notes would be nice. Another vague FF post aimed at no one. Another response from Disfo. It just feels like he's so hyper aware of every time FF enters the thread, but he's never found a good reason to TR him. The only thing he mentions here is some setup talk. With FF being confirmed scum, this feels like it's just there to WIFOM the thread. And also kind of a plea for FF to put in some effort if he's his scummate. Up to this point in Disfo's filter, he's discussed Trfel, NM, LS, DYH, Fidei multiple times. Palmar, Rels and myself were townreads. The people he's discussed least just so happen to be our 2 confirmed scum, HtS and FF. Next FF interaction, I was going to spoiler but it's not even worth it. FF apologizes for replacing into this game and capcom cup and Disfo says something about needing a 3rd monitor. These interactions are so weird and I don't understand the town motivation behind it. "I'm going to talk to you just to talk to you" is all I can get from it, and that's a mafia trait, not a town trait. Annnndddd I've got a headache from staring at this screen too damn long. I'll finish this a little later or tomorrow, ideally before night phase ends. You can all chew on this and tell me how right/wrong I am in my opinions, but the deeper I get into this, the more I convince myself. Bbs. Reminder to myself: Continue from page 8. + Show Spoiler + Nah, carry on, I just want to use that since like 3 games, but never found a good situation. | ||
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On December 09 2015 22:32 NocturneMage wrote: Show nested quote + On December 09 2015 22:28 disformation wrote: good afternoon everbody, what is up? Any questions for me? do you have any responses to the case? Ninja. Just posted it. =D More seriously: yes, there are a few points I feel are slightly misrepresentative/not true and will address them shortly. | ||
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On December 09 2015 22:37 NocturneMage wrote: Also when you have chance, can you answer post 1949? Where Shining asks what are your next two lynches to win the game? Well. DYH duh. Currently my predictions for the rest of the game are: a) we lynch DYH D4. He flips, red we win. b) we lynch me D4. I flip green. We lynch DYH D5. He flips red, we win. In the off chance that I am wrong on DYH, or we assume a hypothetical situation, where there was no DYH, things get a bit complicated. Trfel looks very good as per the votes from yesterday. You bussing your roleblocker is still a bit too tinfoilly for me. Would also be a sick play, though. The Shining is tunneled town. Still think Rels is town, not 100% here though. So that PoE leaves me with Fidei86 and LS. Fidei86 only started to really try and solve the game, after a few ppl started to get really suspicious of him yesterday. I don't like that LS mostly coasts by off screaming around at EoD and his mighty case, was a 80% rip off of mine. I have to at least sue him for intellectual property theft. :p | ||
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On December 09 2015 23:02 NocturneMage wrote: Show nested quote + On December 09 2015 22:46 disformation wrote: On December 09 2015 22:37 NocturneMage wrote: Also when you have chance, can you answer post 1949? Where Shining asks what are your next two lynches to win the game? Well. DYH duh. Currently my predictions for the rest of the game are: a) we lynch DYH D4. He flips, red we win. b) we lynch me D4. I flip green. We lynch DYH D5. He flips red, we win. In the off chance that I am wrong on DYH, or we assume a hypothetical situation, where there was no DYH, things get a bit complicated. Trfel looks very good as per the votes from yesterday. You bussing your roleblocker is still a bit too tinfoilly for me. Would also be a sick play, though. The Shining is tunneled town. Still think Rels is town, not 100% here though. So that PoE leaves me with Fidei86 and LS. Fidei86 only started to really try and solve the game, after a few ppl started to get really suspicious of him yesterday. I don't like that LS mostly coasts by off screaming around at EoD and his mighty case, was a 80% rip off of mine. I have to at least sue him for intellectual property theft. :p If you don't think I bussed my roleblocker, why do you think DYH did? Hmm... cause I think DYH has a bunch of things that make him scummy outside the bussing, while I think you are more likely to be town? But fair point, maybe I should look at your filter again. | ||
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On December 09 2015 23:21 NocturneMage wrote: Fair enough Rels. I realise this is a mostly open setup, but I have a ways to go with setup spec/mechanics. HTS tried to explain to me how to balance 13-player games sometime back and I just told her to stop after 5 minutes because my head was spinning. I'm so bad Anyhow need to afk again, curious to see the full case response disformation. Will take a while. Formatting of The Shinings behemoth is quite nasty, but I am on it. | ||
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The following spoiler contains the whole lot of Onegu's filter. Warning: open on own risk, it is kinda huge and the mass could smother you. I will not be accountable to any injuries. + Show Spoiler + On December 02 2015 00:29 Onegu wrote: Onegu VT claim. Be back later Sooo... If anyone has advise on how to get a read from that, I will gladly listen to that. Otherwise I am really not sure how in the nine hells I am supposed to have a read on him. I hereby boldly proclaim that not having a read on Onegu is probably NAI. On December 09 2015 14:37 The Shining wrote: If HtS is his partner here, here's very aware of her re-reading him. I'm not sure what to make of it but her having to flesh out her Disfo could be a distancing on having to read him one way or the other. I'll have to check her filter to see if she ever got around to it. But look at HtS lynch list. This was early enough that I don't think bussing or soft pushing was plausible. Onegu is "straight policy", not a good lynch becuz that was the FF slot, aka her scum partner. But willing to lynch kush/DYH...kush flipped town. I'm thinking DYH would, too. And the way he's asking her why she wants to re-read him here is weird. It's not like he's trying to figure out her alignment, he's just asking her what she's doing. Remember that when she was lynched, he still had her at null and didn't vote her. No HtS never got to rereading me. Also remember she never pushed DYH D1? Or voted him for what I can remember. Could have easily be a scum lean on a partner to hide the connection. On December 09 2015 14:37 The Shining wrote: This post is interesting because someone, can't remember who, said the whole idea of "fuck this game is hard" is a mafia tactic to discourage and throw town on tilt. Rels mentions Onegu's absence being NAI but disformation neither agrees nor disagrees here. Also, the quote tree is from Rels to Shining, asking me to read DYH's filter. Disformation chose to answer this for himself, for some reason. I am very sure I said something similar to this in some of my town games, but that would be self meta so I'll go with: "okay, if you say so". On December 09 2015 14:37 The Shining wrote: These few reads. He gives NM a D2 pass. But it's his FecalFeast and HtS reads that strike me as weird. He softs on HtS, certain lack of follow ups, hints that she plays a different style as town and that that fire is missing. But he leaves her an opening to follow up on re-reads and throw out reads Also, at first he was a bit worried because FF is super lazy as town but since his Fallout excuse checks out, he's less worried. So how is this worrying? If he's super lazy as town, and he's being lazy as town here(which he wasn't town), how would this make you worry? I just don't understand the statement/thought/read. Note that they never once interacted up to this point, at least in Disformation's filter. Here is the first interaction I found, also on page 5: Of course I do leave her openings, she was sick and not playing much, that is the polite thing to do here. And me worrying about FF is the same thing I wrote about yesterday prior to lunch. On December 09 2015 14:37 The Shining wrote: Disfo asks NM to explain his HtS read and vote before NM posted his case. FF makes that post and Disfo follows FF's train of logic to not entirely trust NM. So both are skeptical and suspicious of NM voting confirmed scum HtS. "Kinda null on HtS" is a weird thing to reiterate, too. And instead of going to check her filter to land on either side of null, or to even check if she's posted a single thing during nightphase, he asks the thread instead. This is a thread temperature check. Well, since HtS wasn't exactly posting much at the time, there was not much new in her filter to find. If you read a filter a few times and can't come up with a conclusion what are you to do? Well this doctor has good advise for me I suppose: On December 09 2015 14:37 The Shining wrote: Another vague FF post aimed at no one. Another response from Disfo. It just feels like he's so hyper aware of every time FF enters the thread, but he's never found a good reason to TR him. The only thing he mentions here is some setup talk. With FF being confirmed scum, this feels like it's just there to WIFOM the thread. And also kind of a plea for FF to put in some effort if he's his scummate. Up to this point in Disfo's filter, he's discussed Trfel, NM, LS, DYH, Fidei multiple times. Palmar, Rels and myself were townreads. The people he's discussed least just so happen to be our 2 confirmed scum, HtS and FF. Next FF interaction, I was going to spoiler but it's not even worth it. FF apologizes for replacing into this game and capcom cup and Disfo says something about needing a 3rd monitor. These interactions are so weird and I don't understand the town motivation behind it. "I'm going to talk to you just to talk to you" is all I can get from it, and that's a mafia trait, not a town trait. Last game I was able to correctly form a town lean/read on FF after having a bit of a conversation with him in thread, so I was hoping for this to happen again, so I tried to engage him everytime he popped up. But you are right, I should have been more hesitant to town lean him off being lazy and be more suspicious since we never managed to have decent conversation. The rest of your case pretty much boils down to me having trouble deciding what to do with HtS D2. Yeah, you are right it looks pretty bad. I guess I had too much trouble evaluating her outside the sickness thing. HtS coached me in my second game here and we get along really well, maybe that affected my ability to really evaluate her this game and made me wish it was only the sickness that affected her play. Another bad mistake I have to learn from I guess. So outside me not voting HtS D2 and generally looking bad on my progression on her D2. I kinda feel you are trying to look at the trees a bit too hard and start to come up with stuff that is kinda NAI or not really hard mafia indicative (like the Onegu thing). I would like you to take a step back and look at my overall play this game. Do you really think I didn't try to solve this game? If the answer is yes: feel free to lynch me, I'll still flip green, though. Other good pointers on how to proceed: Disformation never used images in his previous town games. scum read. Disformation is defending himself too much. scum read. Disformation is not defending himself at all. scum read. | ||
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On December 09 2015 23:51 LightningStrike wrote: Show nested quote + On December 09 2015 22:46 disformation wrote: On December 09 2015 22:37 NocturneMage wrote: Also when you have chance, can you answer post 1949? Where Shining asks what are your next two lynches to win the game? Well. DYH duh. Currently my predictions for the rest of the game are: a) we lynch DYH D4. He flips, red we win. b) we lynch me D4. I flip green. We lynch DYH D5. He flips red, we win. In the off chance that I am wrong on DYH, or we assume a hypothetical situation, where there was no DYH, things get a bit complicated. Trfel looks very good as per the votes from yesterday. You bussing your roleblocker is still a bit too tinfoilly for me. Would also be a sick play, though. The Shining is tunneled town. Still think Rels is town, not 100% here though. So that PoE leaves me with Fidei86 and LS. Fidei86 only started to really try and solve the game, after a few ppl started to get really suspicious of him yesterday. I don't like that LS mostly coasts by off screaming around at EoD and his mighty case, was a 80% rip off of mine. I have to at least sue him for intellectual property theft. :p I did give you credit for some of your work at least. The suing part was totally a joke. | ||
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On December 10 2015 00:28 Rels wrote: Show nested quote + On December 10 2015 00:26 disformation wrote: I think the part with onegus filter should have said, open AT own risk and I am not accountable FOR any injuries. english hard language. I'll probably be semi around today, trying to get a bit of stuff done home office style, this game has eaten a fair share of my time and I am a bit behind on a few things. If you have further questions just shoot, cause mafia won't. Can you read FF's filter and: - see if it matches with your read on DYH ? - who is the most likely partner based on his filter (or 2nd most likely if your 1st is DYH) ? Hmm... not sure what you mean with the bold part. Like, see if my points on FF might match my points on DYH? | ||
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On December 10 2015 00:31 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On December 10 2015 00:28 Rels wrote: On December 10 2015 00:26 disformation wrote: I think the part with onegus filter should have said, open AT own risk and I am not accountable FOR any injuries. english hard language. I'll probably be semi around today, trying to get a bit of stuff done home office style, this game has eaten a fair share of my time and I am a bit behind on a few things. If you have further questions just shoot, cause mafia won't. Can you read FF's filter and: - see if it matches with your read on DYH ? - who is the most likely partner based on his filter (or 2nd most likely if your 1st is DYH) ? Hmm... not sure what you mean with the bold part. Like, see if my points on FF might match my points on DYH? Aka are the same? So that I just could take my case on DYH and replace all instances of DYH with FF and it would basically the same case? | ||
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On December 10 2015 00:34 Rels wrote: Show nested quote + On December 10 2015 00:31 disformation wrote: On December 10 2015 00:28 Rels wrote: On December 10 2015 00:26 disformation wrote: I think the part with onegus filter should have said, open AT own risk and I am not accountable FOR any injuries. english hard language. I'll probably be semi around today, trying to get a bit of stuff done home office style, this game has eaten a fair share of my time and I am a bit behind on a few things. If you have further questions just shoot, cause mafia won't. Can you read FF's filter and: - see if it matches with your read on DYH ? - who is the most likely partner based on his filter (or 2nd most likely if your 1st is DYH) ? Hmm... not sure what you mean with the bold part. Like, see if my points on FF might match my points on DYH? OK like that it might be better: Reading FF's filter, who is his most likely partner and why ? Is DYH a likely partner ? Okay, thanks. Sounds like a good idea. | ||
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On December 10 2015 02:27 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + I think that it's extremely suspicious that he basically says "I think that some points were misrepresented or overblown", indicating that he thinks that the rest of the points are fine. This really doesn't feel like something that town would say.On December 10 2015 02:22 LightningStrike wrote: On December 10 2015 02:16 Trfel wrote: On December 09 2015 23:21 NocturneMage wrote: 13 player game balance is really simple though? I can explain it in 30 seconds.Fair enough Rels. I realise this is a mostly open setup, but I have a ways to go with setup spec/mechanics. HTS tried to explain to me how to balance 13-player games sometime back and I just told her to stop after 5 minutes because my head was spinning. I'm so bad Anyhow need to afk again, curious to see the full case response disformation. 10 town and 3 mafia, you give the town 1.5-2 power roles and you give the mafia 1.5-2 power roles. Godfather and veteran are half power roles. Easy! I mean, there's a bit that's more complex, but that's mostly enough ^^ I protest my vote switch to Fecalfeast being called a "yolo move", though. It may have been a guess, but it was a very educated guess! Also, what the heck? Why is disformation saying that Onegu's filter is NAI and impossible to get a read from, after questioning it earlier? That wasn't even a point in The Shining's case, unless I badly misread it? On December 10 2015 00:24 LightningStrike wrote: I thought this was a TL Starcraft phrase? Evidently it carried to the LoL site also?On December 10 2015 00:03 disformation wrote: On December 09 2015 23:51 LightningStrike wrote: On December 09 2015 22:46 disformation wrote: On December 09 2015 22:37 NocturneMage wrote: Also when you have chance, can you answer post 1949? Where Shining asks what are your next two lynches to win the game? Well. DYH duh. Currently my predictions for the rest of the game are: a) we lynch DYH D4. He flips, red we win. b) we lynch me D4. I flip green. We lynch DYH D5. He flips red, we win. In the off chance that I am wrong on DYH, or we assume a hypothetical situation, where there was no DYH, things get a bit complicated. Trfel looks very good as per the votes from yesterday. You bussing your roleblocker is still a bit too tinfoilly for me. Would also be a sick play, though. The Shining is tunneled town. Still think Rels is town, not 100% here though. So that PoE leaves me with Fidei86 and LS. Fidei86 only started to really try and solve the game, after a few ppl started to get really suspicious of him yesterday. I don't like that LS mostly coasts by off screaming around at EoD and his mighty case, was a 80% rip off of mine. I have to at least sue him for intellectual property theft. :p I did give you credit for some of your work at least. The suing part was totally a joke. Sorry I went full Romanian Never go full Romanian guys. On December 10 2015 00:26 disformation wrote: Disformation is making me laugh so much XDI think the part with onegus filter should have said, open AT own risk and I am not accountable FOR any injuries. english hard language. I'll probably be semi around today, trying to get a bit of stuff done home office style, this game has eaten a fair share of my time and I am a bit behind on a few things. If you have further questions just shoot, cause mafia won't. And I think that it makes him even more mafia. I get the impression that he's focused on having fun here, primarily, instead of trying to lynch mafia, which while this is a great approach and should be the approach that everyone has all the time, isn't something I expected to see from disformation. Could be very wrong on this, though, but I don't care to find out. On December 10 2015 02:08 LightningStrike wrote: As long as it doesn't involve reading the thread, sure?Tfrel can I ask you a favor please? I wanted you to read disformation's response to shining'so case on him :o To say much more than that, I'd need to actually read the thread and filters to see context, which I'm not going to do because we win anyway What can I say. My D2 this game was pretty poorly with the HtS stuff. Last game my D1/N1 were poor. My goal is to really sandbag hard next games D3, so this can become a thing. | ||
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On December 10 2015 02:16 Trfel wrote: Disformation is making me laugh so much XD And I think that it makes him even more mafia. I get the impression that he's focused on having fun here, primarily, instead of trying to lynch mafia, which while this is a great approach and should be the approach that everyone has all the time, isn't something I expected to see from disformation. Could be very wrong on this, though, but I don't care to find out. Glad to be of service. But did you forget last game N1 when I was defending myself from moosydoosy and told him something along the lines of: "if you repeat that [saying "disformation is scum"] three times while doing a naked handstand in front of a mirror the mighty fairy ticktoc [who was hosting the game] will descend from the heavens and gift me a shiny mafia role pm wrapped in rainbows."? That was the same post I started to call moosydoosy sweetheart and cupcake. That post was dope as hell, if you ask me. | ||
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Trying to look at his interactions and sfuff: A study of the social behaviour and interactions of a wild Fecalfeast Derived from this studies I hope to establish how a wild Fecalfeast goes about in selecting his mating partners, by observing behaviour patterns. Upon arriving at the scene FF can be seen to be very engaging and conversing with Trfel, LightningStrike and Damdred. He seems especially interested in Trfel's filter and starts to dig around in that, with his sharp claws (i hope sharp claws are metal enough). Note that he randomly soft defends me on some very minor point here: On December 03 2015 09:16 Fecalfeast wrote: Show nested quote + On December 01 2015 16:42 Trfel wrote: On December 01 2015 08:49 disformation wrote: Wait a second, disformation...On December 01 2015 08:44 Trfel wrote: Hm, LightningStrike hasn't posted at all yet. Very suspicious, I would have expected him to be really excited for this game since he hasn't played in a while. Disformation, why are you only bringing up Damdred's post now, and not right when he posted it? Tired as hell. When I first read it I was like kinda amused by the hero thing, triggering my immediate reaction (the first post). Then I read it again and thought that it was a kinda unusual thing for Damdred to post and remembered that I was criticized for a very similar thing (over constructed first post shortly after the start of the game) in my first game here. So I asked him the same question I was asked. The advise itself is probably valid though. You've only rolled town on TL, correct? So if you were town and someone questioned you for a "constructed" post, then why would you ask someone else about this? What did you hope to get out of your question? Based on Damdred's answers, do you have a conclusion now? Not a bad point on disform at face value but if disform wasn't sure of his play before and has since learned that constructed posts are scummy, what's the problem calling out something he has learned to be generally scummy? But does he do so because he already is my partner, wishes to buddy me or simply wants something minor to talk about? Evidence not conclusive at this point. Notice how he approaches Trfel, when Trfel seems to be kinda frustrated and "out of it". Like our Fecalfeast here is trying to say "Everything is alright, I'm going to read your posts and we are going to be best buddies forever!". After throwing out some suspicions in the direction of NM he then starts with his fallout comments and attempts to withdraw himself from the rest of the pack. After that he shifts his suspicions towards Fidei86 and Trfel, away from NM. Does push a bit on Fidei, but only very softly. Finally mentions DYH: On December 05 2015 10:06 Fecalfeast wrote: Show nested quote + On December 04 2015 10:51 disformation wrote: Too make my argument a bit more readable:
Wat? I have pointed this problem out, Rels has pointed this out, but nothing happens. can you flesh out why you think this progression is scummy any further? I'm looking at this filter and while it's a little short on portion size it's looking pretty well explained. Not to mention the fact that if HTS flips red here the fact remains that he brought her up as a potential target before NM + Show Spoiler + On December 03 2015 11:08 NocturneMage wrote: hts is a sleazeball as mafia, I love her to death, but I'll pretty much know immediately if she's mafia because I obviously know her in real life and if she's out of bounds with her personality, she is almost certainly mafia. obviously if I think she's mafia, I will case her in a way that doesn't require you to know her in real life. unless her dota friends want to argue they have some feels on her from external behaviour. rels, fidei? I'm looking at you two. although seeing doyouhas' post, if hts got someone lynched who was scumreading her, that is a major red flag in my book. that is routine mafia play for her. dani as mafia will absolutely push the lynches of the people who want her dead. so dyh, what was her role in the lynch? On December 05 2015 10:55 Fecalfeast wrote: Show nested quote + On December 05 2015 10:29 Trfel wrote: On December 05 2015 10:06 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm clearly not playing this game right because I actually really, really like what disformation says here. But I didn't care that much when he first said it On December 04 2015 10:51 disformation wrote: Too make my argument a bit more readable:
Wat? I have pointed this problem out, Rels has pointed this out, but nothing happens. can you flesh out why you think this progression is scummy any further? I'm looking at this filter and while it's a little short on portion size it's looking pretty well explained. Not to mention the fact that if HTS flips red here the fact remains that he brought her up as a potential target before NM + Show Spoiler + On December 03 2015 11:08 NocturneMage wrote: hts is a sleazeball as mafia, I love her to death, but I'll pretty much know immediately if she's mafia because I obviously know her in real life and if she's out of bounds with her personality, she is almost certainly mafia. obviously if I think she's mafia, I will case her in a way that doesn't require you to know her in real life. unless her dota friends want to argue they have some feels on her from external behaviour. rels, fidei? I'm looking at you two. although seeing doyouhas' post, if hts got someone lynched who was scumreading her, that is a major red flag in my book. that is routine mafia play for her. dani as mafia will absolutely push the lynches of the people who want her dead. so dyh, what was her role in the lynch? Basically, DoYouHas (in the middle of Day 1 ish) stated that he was going to take a look at the people in the "middle" (because he felt that the most active/vocal people were town). Fair enough. He looked at Fidei86, Half the Sky, LightningStrike, and disformation, and didn't get anything out of it. I'm not sure if this means he didn't get any scumreads out of this or if he didn't get any reads at all from this, if I can catch DoYouHas sometime I'd like to ask this. From this, two things happened. First, he came up with a townread on disformation (because he was sheeping the wagon of his townreads, and mentioned disformation). Second, he got a scumread and case on Half the Sky Night 1, despite not getting much scummy (presumably) from her filter earlier. Hm, I guess this makes sense. Maybe I need to look more closely but let's assume there's no shenanigans tomorrow and HTS flips red. What does that make you think of DYH? But shifts away from DYH fast back onto NM: On December 05 2015 11:07 Fecalfeast wrote: Show nested quote + On December 05 2015 11:01 Trfel wrote: On December 05 2015 10:55 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm fairly suspicious of DoYouHas. I'm not really sure what implications a Half the Sky scum flip would have on DoYouHas.On December 05 2015 10:29 Trfel wrote: On December 05 2015 10:06 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm clearly not playing this game right because I actually really, really like what disformation says here. But I didn't care that much when he first said it On December 04 2015 10:51 disformation wrote: Too make my argument a bit more readable:
Wat? I have pointed this problem out, Rels has pointed this out, but nothing happens. can you flesh out why you think this progression is scummy any further? I'm looking at this filter and while it's a little short on portion size it's looking pretty well explained. Not to mention the fact that if HTS flips red here the fact remains that he brought her up as a potential target before NM + Show Spoiler + On December 03 2015 11:08 NocturneMage wrote: hts is a sleazeball as mafia, I love her to death, but I'll pretty much know immediately if she's mafia because I obviously know her in real life and if she's out of bounds with her personality, she is almost certainly mafia. obviously if I think she's mafia, I will case her in a way that doesn't require you to know her in real life. unless her dota friends want to argue they have some feels on her from external behaviour. rels, fidei? I'm looking at you two. although seeing doyouhas' post, if hts got someone lynched who was scumreading her, that is a major red flag in my book. that is routine mafia play for her. dani as mafia will absolutely push the lynches of the people who want her dead. so dyh, what was her role in the lynch? Basically, DoYouHas (in the middle of Day 1 ish) stated that he was going to take a look at the people in the "middle" (because he felt that the most active/vocal people were town). Fair enough. He looked at Fidei86, Half the Sky, LightningStrike, and disformation, and didn't get anything out of it. I'm not sure if this means he didn't get any scumreads out of this or if he didn't get any reads at all from this, if I can catch DoYouHas sometime I'd like to ask this. From this, two things happened. First, he came up with a townread on disformation (because he was sheeping the wagon of his townreads, and mentioned disformation). Second, he got a scumread and case on Half the Sky Night 1, despite not getting much scummy (presumably) from her filter earlier. Hm, I guess this makes sense. Maybe I need to look more closely but let's assume there's no shenanigans tomorrow and HTS flips red. What does that make you think of DYH? Do you have any thoughts about NocturneMage or anyone else that you want to talk about? DYH brought up HTS as possibler scum before NM and NM referenced DYH in his post calling HTS scummy. I think NM's entrance set a bit of a scummy tone initially but his recent postings have been pointed and he seems to be following a logical thought progression. He's obviously very confident in his HTS read which is why I'm sheeped all over that. I think NM is towny though I'm pretty allergic to deep reading right now. also he has 5 pages after replacing in night 1, is NM known to be a high effort scum? Later he sheeps NM... (wasn't that a scum lean just now? On December 08 2015 12:29 Fecalfeast wrote: shamelessly sheeping NM while i get my new SSD all up and running ##vote trfel consider me a gullible extra vote bot for now i guess So unlikely partners: Trfel - very waffly about that one. NM - feels more like he was trying to find reasons to scum read him... until suddenly sheeping him. The Shining - agrees with a list post of The Shining and laters gives him an easy town read. So possible partners: Me - Overall awkward interactions and that one strange thing where he soft defended me. Rels - Basically only two very very short mentions of him in his filter and no interactions. DYH - Only talks about him when pressed multiple times, seems to consider him for a moment, then deflects off onto NM. No interactions. | ||
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On December 10 2015 03:26 NocturneMage wrote: disformation, can you analyse the interactions from both sides? You suspect Rels and DYH, so now do it from those two players sides. Sure thing. Will be doing FF really quick. All of DYH's mentions/interactions with FF in the following spoiler. As a bonus I threw all mentions/interactions with Onegu in it, too. So this is another huge one! open with care! + Show Spoiler + On December 04 2015 09:13 DoYouHas wrote: Show nested quote + On December 04 2015 09:07 Trfel wrote: On December 04 2015 09:03 NocturneMage wrote: Because they're really darn accurate. Night kill analysis is amazing.I also don't like Trfels turning around on this either. What the hell are we using WIFOM arguments for? @Fecalfeast, why else would Damdred be killed? The NocturneMage read seems to be by far the most likely. And that wasn't the only reason that I mentioned that the night kill makes me want to lynch NocturneMage less. It could be as simple as Damdred is a solid town player, and was read as town by the majority of the players. He clearly had influence as evidenced by the LS wagon. That is enough to make him a good kill. His reads are worth more now that we know for sure he was town, and should be considered carefully, but there is plenty to make him a good nightkill beyond his reads. (Sorry, I know you wanted FF to answer) On December 06 2015 07:04 DoYouHas wrote: My PoE right now looks like this: Town: Rels, Shining, LS(I am still on board with the EoD VT claim) Townlean: Disfo, Palmar, Fid (need to look into him more) Unfiltered: NM, FF Suspicious but incomplete: Trfel Scum: HTS "FF? Who? Nah, didn't even look at him." | ||
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On December 10 2015 03:31 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On December 10 2015 03:26 NocturneMage wrote: disformation, can you analyse the interactions from both sides? You suspect Rels and DYH, so now do it from those two players sides. Sure thing. Will be doing FF really quick. All of DYH's mentions/interactions with FF in the following spoiler. As a bonus I threw all mentions/interactions with Onegu in it, too. So this is another huge one! open with care! + Show Spoiler + On December 04 2015 09:13 DoYouHas wrote: Show nested quote + On December 04 2015 09:07 Trfel wrote: On December 04 2015 09:03 NocturneMage wrote: Because they're really darn accurate. Night kill analysis is amazing.I also don't like Trfels turning around on this either. What the hell are we using WIFOM arguments for? @Fecalfeast, why else would Damdred be killed? The NocturneMage read seems to be by far the most likely. And that wasn't the only reason that I mentioned that the night kill makes me want to lynch NocturneMage less. It could be as simple as Damdred is a solid town player, and was read as town by the majority of the players. He clearly had influence as evidenced by the LS wagon. That is enough to make him a good kill. His reads are worth more now that we know for sure he was town, and should be considered carefully, but there is plenty to make him a good nightkill beyond his reads. (Sorry, I know you wanted FF to answer) On December 06 2015 07:04 DoYouHas wrote: My PoE right now looks like this: Town: Rels, Shining, LS(I am still on board with the EoD VT claim) Townlean: Disfo, Palmar, Fid (need to look into him more) Unfiltered: NM, FF Suspicious but incomplete: Trfel Scum: HTS "FF? Who? Nah, didn't even look at him." Eh. THis was DYH on FF. | ||
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On December 10 2015 03:49 disformation wrote: Rels filter is totally long and hard. Will do that after dinner. The fuck is my brain doing. Rels is like the only one besides me trying to lynch DYH and on multiple occasions. Don't think they can be a couple. | ||
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On December 10 2015 05:07 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On December 10 2015 03:49 disformation wrote: Rels filter is totally long and hard. Will do that after dinner. The fuck is my brain doing. Rels is like the only one besides me trying to lynch DYH and on multiple occasions. Don't think they can be a couple. Facepalm. Riiiiight. FF and Rels it was. Move along, nothing to see here. | ||
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First mention of FF: On December 07 2015 23:43 Rels wrote: Show nested quote + On December 07 2015 23:36 NocturneMage wrote: actually looking at the way Damdred played the game come to think of it, the same concept I just discussed regarding Palmar applies to him. Plenty of games on him. He had more focus and direction day 1 but night 1 he did dick all, not sure if he was playing with the intention of trying to not be shot or if he was legit busy. so same question regarding Damdred anyone else (besides LS based on modconfirmation) with reason to dread him? Trfel / Shining / FF are the three players fitting this thing. HTS did too though, so that might apply less on the N1 kill. Not sure about this read though: On December 08 2015 00:36 Rels wrote: Well here is my mind right now: Shining, disfo and LS are town. Kills points at Trfel and fidei. DYH is also an attractive lynch, but kills don't point to him. Finally, fidei's point about NM's being so sure of HTS the minute he enters the thread makes some sense. Looks like FF didn't make any list. Means he's likely town. Then he is asked to read FF's filter and comes back with: On December 08 2015 21:23 Rels wrote: FF could be scum. Likely partner of that is the case: dyh. At EoD "yesterday" On December 09 2015 07:47 Rels wrote: Trfel did too though. I'm OK with both actually FF and Shining did too. At least Shining has his usual excuse Yeah, dunno this doesn't look great either. Weird initial town lean into a not very well explained scum read, with 0 interaction. Doesn't like how FF shows up shortly b4 deadline, but doesn't do much about it either. | ||
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On December 10 2015 05:46 NocturneMage wrote: Show nested quote + On December 10 2015 05:16 disformation wrote: On December 10 2015 05:07 disformation wrote: On December 10 2015 03:49 disformation wrote: Rels filter is totally long and hard. Will do that after dinner. The fuck is my brain doing. Rels is like the only one besides me trying to lynch DYH and on multiple occasions. Don't think they can be a couple. Facepalm. Riiiiight. FF and Rels it was. Move along, nothing to see here. It was after 2100 your time when you made that post. Chances of drunken post? Pretty high You seem to be pretty obsessed with alcohol. | ||
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On December 10 2015 06:03 NocturneMage wrote: Show nested quote + On December 10 2015 05:51 disformation wrote: On December 10 2015 05:46 NocturneMage wrote: On December 10 2015 05:16 disformation wrote: On December 10 2015 05:07 disformation wrote: On December 10 2015 03:49 disformation wrote: Rels filter is totally long and hard. Will do that after dinner. The fuck is my brain doing. Rels is like the only one besides me trying to lynch DYH and on multiple occasions. Don't think they can be a couple. Facepalm. Riiiiight. FF and Rels it was. Move along, nothing to see here. It was after 2100 your time when you made that post. Chances of drunken post? Pretty high You seem to be pretty obsessed with alcohol. My family is from just north of Milan. So Italian wine 1000%. What's the shame in that? A bit of sightseeing though and sadly I've turned Dani into a whisky fanatic though. Just fuck it. Ah, yes. I think she mentioned that once. Must have been the time she told me she likes Riesling (German white wine from the region I live in). On December 10 2015 06:04 NocturneMage wrote: Show nested quote + On December 10 2015 05:47 disformation wrote: Rels on FF: First mention of FF: On December 07 2015 23:43 Rels wrote: On December 07 2015 23:36 NocturneMage wrote: actually looking at the way Damdred played the game come to think of it, the same concept I just discussed regarding Palmar applies to him. Plenty of games on him. He had more focus and direction day 1 but night 1 he did dick all, not sure if he was playing with the intention of trying to not be shot or if he was legit busy. so same question regarding Damdred anyone else (besides LS based on modconfirmation) with reason to dread him? Trfel / Shining / FF are the three players fitting this thing. HTS did too though, so that might apply less on the N1 kill. Not sure about this read though: On December 08 2015 00:36 Rels wrote: Well here is my mind right now: Shining, disfo and LS are town. Kills points at Trfel and fidei. DYH is also an attractive lynch, but kills don't point to him. Finally, fidei's point about NM's being so sure of HTS the minute he enters the thread makes some sense. Looks like FF didn't make any list. Means he's likely town. Then he is asked to read FF's filter and comes back with: On December 08 2015 21:23 Rels wrote: FF could be scum. Likely partner of that is the case: dyh. At EoD "yesterday" On December 09 2015 07:47 Rels wrote: Trfel did too though. I'm OK with both actually FF and Shining did too. At least Shining has his usual excuse Yeah, dunno this doesn't look great either. Weird initial town lean into a not very well explained scum read, with 0 interaction. Doesn't like how FF shows up shortly b4 deadline, but doesn't do much about it either. How about the context of the rest of their play? Between Rels and DYH, who is most likely? You mean into the context of whose play I find to be more scummy? Well, I didn't wrote that case on DYH for nothing. Hm, maybe I'll look into Rels once more, but his overall game so far has striken me as being rather townie. | ||
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On December 10 2015 06:38 NocturneMage wrote: Show nested quote + On December 10 2015 06:37 NocturneMage wrote: So disformation would probably be lynching Rels and DYH in that order. Got it. Wait no, I don't have that right. DYH and Rels in that order. Folks, I am sober, I swear. Was about to say... | ||
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On December 10 2015 07:06 NocturneMage wrote: Show nested quote + On December 10 2015 06:52 disformation wrote: Ah, will also take a look at Fidei86 tomorrow. Kinda sleeping on him a bit again. xD But you were so sure about DYH? Most people are sure it's you over DYH, and a lot of the things said are really 50/50 between you and him. Yeah, I can't wait for the night phase to be over so I can put my vote on him (DYH) and even if I wasn't sure about DYH I probably have to put my vote on him for survival's sake anyway. Still want to make a last round of filtering to make sure I missed nothing, also I fear there won't be that much to talk about the next two days. The cases are made. Actually maybe I can add one or two small things to my case on DYH, but the main reasons stand. | ||
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On December 10 2015 07:11 NocturneMage wrote: Like Rels is wrong, not scummy for it. I see where he's coming from, but in my mind I tried to isolate my bias/meta knowledge from the case. And I think if it was any other player than Dani, I would say the lacklustre posting day 1 could be suboptimal town, but the end of cycle vote switching was quite mafia indicative. Someone with the experience that he has (per database) it's reasonable to conclude he could come up with the information on his own. With the last sentence you refer to DYH? On December 10 2015 07:15 NocturneMage wrote: The meta from scum games is quite different. There was no way I could justify voting DYH last night. And Fidei voted down HTS. There was no discussion. And Shining created a decent case for which you had to change positions. You holding out wasn't good for you. So Fidei was off wagon last night, he was partying last night and admitted he couldn't do the research. That's not alignment indicative. So what else changed? On December 10 2015 07:16 NocturneMage wrote: At some point in the discussion even he said he "could" vote Fecalfeast. Yeah, see that is the kind of stuff I want to look at again and double check. Cause I had a scum lean on him early D3, but dropped that, when he started to look like trying to solve the game. But I haven't really looked into his stances on FF for example. | ||
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On December 10 2015 07:23 NocturneMage wrote: Yes DYH with that last sentence. I know Fidei autopiloted day 2. Everyone did. Day 3, he went through several filters and we had a thing to do on LS. Okay, fair enough. | ||
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On December 10 2015 07:36 NocturneMage wrote: Well okay, I'm not drunk but I had a glass of chianti. Er, okay I lied, maybe two glasses of chianti. But I'm still sober Yeah, yeah. Complains about her drinking whisky, busts out the wine as soon as she goes to bed. | ||
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On December 10 2015 07:53 NocturneMage wrote: Show nested quote + On December 10 2015 06:27 disformation wrote: On December 10 2015 06:03 NocturneMage wrote: On December 10 2015 05:51 disformation wrote: On December 10 2015 05:46 NocturneMage wrote: On December 10 2015 05:16 disformation wrote: On December 10 2015 05:07 disformation wrote: On December 10 2015 03:49 disformation wrote: Rels filter is totally long and hard. Will do that after dinner. The fuck is my brain doing. Rels is like the only one besides me trying to lynch DYH and on multiple occasions. Don't think they can be a couple. Facepalm. Riiiiight. FF and Rels it was. Move along, nothing to see here. It was after 2100 your time when you made that post. Chances of drunken post? Pretty high You seem to be pretty obsessed with alcohol. My family is from just north of Milan. So Italian wine 1000%. What's the shame in that? A bit of sightseeing though and sadly I've turned Dani into a whisky fanatic though. Just fuck it. Ah, yes. I think she mentioned that once. Must have been the time she told me she likes Riesling (German white wine from the region I live in). On December 10 2015 06:04 NocturneMage wrote: On December 10 2015 05:47 disformation wrote: Rels on FF: First mention of FF: On December 07 2015 23:43 Rels wrote: On December 07 2015 23:36 NocturneMage wrote: actually looking at the way Damdred played the game come to think of it, the same concept I just discussed regarding Palmar applies to him. Plenty of games on him. He had more focus and direction day 1 but night 1 he did dick all, not sure if he was playing with the intention of trying to not be shot or if he was legit busy. so same question regarding Damdred anyone else (besides LS based on modconfirmation) with reason to dread him? Trfel / Shining / FF are the three players fitting this thing. HTS did too though, so that might apply less on the N1 kill. Not sure about this read though: On December 08 2015 00:36 Rels wrote: Well here is my mind right now: Shining, disfo and LS are town. Kills points at Trfel and fidei. DYH is also an attractive lynch, but kills don't point to him. Finally, fidei's point about NM's being so sure of HTS the minute he enters the thread makes some sense. Looks like FF didn't make any list. Means he's likely town. Then he is asked to read FF's filter and comes back with: On December 08 2015 21:23 Rels wrote: FF could be scum. Likely partner of that is the case: dyh. At EoD "yesterday" On December 09 2015 07:47 Rels wrote: Trfel did too though. I'm OK with both actually FF and Shining did too. At least Shining has his usual excuse Yeah, dunno this doesn't look great either. Weird initial town lean into a not very well explained scum read, with 0 interaction. Doesn't like how FF shows up shortly b4 deadline, but doesn't do much about it either. How about the context of the rest of their play? Between Rels and DYH, who is most likely? You mean into the context of whose play I find to be more scummy? Well, I didn't wrote that case on DYH for nothing. Hm, maybe I'll look into Rels once more, but his overall game so far has striken me as being rather townie. Hmmmmmm....... Did she tell you this in the mafia QT by any chance? Commence drunk post analysis! This came up when we were talking about the flavour for the haunted mansion game, which is based on a castle near where I live. Hence the talk about the wine of this region. | ||
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On December 10 2015 07:55 NocturneMage wrote: Show nested quote + On December 10 2015 07:54 LightningStrike wrote: On December 10 2015 07:52 Trfel wrote: On December 10 2015 07:49 NocturneMage wrote: Oh my....Sorry Trfel didn't realise you weren't old enough. Oh well another glass of wine for me I think it would be a good idea to change the night kill to yourself. This play clearly optimizes your chances of winning. + Show Spoiler + If he's drunk enough, maybe he'll fall for it! XD I had seen a mafia roleblocker roleblock himself when the KPMG was delivered not factional :O OH GOD WHY DID YOU HAVE TO REMIND ME. That wasn't me, but I was on that particular scumteam. Oh... that was the game with Rels, n00bKing and MoosyDoosy yelling at each other the whole time, right? | ||
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Maybe the theory that scum is heavily drinking isn't that far fetched. Time to put my vote on DYH, again. Will probably restate my case tomorrow. If you guys have any questions for me: shoot. | ||
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On December 10 2015 08:15 LightningStrike wrote: Am I the last American alive in this game? The Shining and DoYouHas are Americans, too? According to their profile/timezone thingie at least. | ||
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On December 10 2015 08:20 LightningStrike wrote: Oh DYH is a American too. I was worried about trying to talk to the game with everyone being from Europe. Well, DYH and The Shining don't post that much. I am a bit of a nightowl for European standards though. | ||
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You seem to be pretty much the only one neither wanting to vote DYH nor me. | ||
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On December 10 2015 08:30 LightningStrike wrote: Show nested quote + On December 10 2015 08:27 disformation wrote: So what is your plan for this day phase? You seem to be pretty much the only one neither wanting to vote DYH nor me. Probably check everyone's filter and redo my reads. That will happen when I get home. Alright, sounds like a plan. Again, if you have any questions: just ask. | ||
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On December 11 2015 02:03 NocturneMage wrote: Show nested quote + On December 10 2015 09:03 Blazinghand wrote: Vote Count disformation (1): NocturneMage DoYouHas (1): disformation Not Voting (5): DoYouHas, Rels, Fidei86, LightningStrike, NocturneMage Currently disformation is set to be lynched. This Day ends at Friday, Dec 11 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 23:00 GMT (+00:00). Lynch Voting is done in the voting thread (here). Do not PM me your vote. Voting is mandatory. You may not abstain. I wasn't aware I got a free vote. Cheers mods. ##vote disformation In seriousness, I'll be around I want to say midnight-ish my time to read further/discuss (looking more into more indicative evidence if any on Rels case ATM I'm not sure I understand) if people are around. phone post: yep it appears you have annexed the shinings vote. i call collusion! this is a conspiracy to biry me before i can uncover the truth! | ||
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Got dinner and a few chores to take care of, but am semi around. On December 10 2015 09:41 The Shining wrote: GG Trfel. I can't tell if scum didn't shoot me because I'm wrong on disfo and they want him mislynched, or because shooting me would've implicated disfo too much. Or Trfel confirmed himself town with the Fecal lynch and scum needed him gone for that. Iirc Trfel was still entertaining the thought of NM scum...But he also hinted at being willing to vote disfo, as per that spoiler on one of his posts saying I probably saved him some reading. It could be a way to weaken the disfo wagon while leaving me alive to drown in wifom. I'm phone posting so I'll do some rereads and make a decision when I get home. I'm iffy on disfos reaction to my case, too, it doesn't make me see him any better. Hmmm. Care to explain, why my response is iffy? Is it tone/meta again or do you think I didn't explain certain things properly, or did try to avoid a certain issue, or what? Maybe I can expand on some points, if you think my explanation was lacking in some areas. But just telling me the response was iffy, doesn't help me in helping you to read me correctly. | ||
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On December 11 2015 09:09 Fidei86 wrote: Agh sorry guys, work has been intense over the last couple of days, particularly as we have non-stop parties this time of year. I have our Xmas party tomorrow, and I had drinks this evening as well. Ugh. Will try and do some filter diving around 4:30pm tomorrow till maybe 5:30. Yo, NM I believe we might have a candidate for your drunk analysis here. | ||
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On December 11 2015 10:24 NocturneMage wrote: Skimmed from night 3 to disformation, your rebuttal to Shining's case. So in summation you think Shining is tunnelling/confirmation bias on you. You proposed that if you got mislynched and town were wrong on both you and DYH, that LS and Fidei are the next likely mafia. What are you gauging them at as they do things through this cycle? Can you make an argument for either of them making the plays they have as mafia? Any voting arguments or motives from those two in your own words? I haven't seen much in the way from you, from others yes, but not from you. (If you have, just quote it, thanks.) Hm had a small case on Fidei86 earlier last day phase: + Show Spoiler + On December 11 2015 10:24 NocturneMage wrote: Skimmed from night 3 to disformation, your rebuttal to Shining's case. So in summation you think Shining is tunnelling/confirmation bias on you. You proposed that if you got mislynched and town were wrong on both you and DYH, that LS and Fidei are the next likely mafia. What are you gauging them at as they do things through this cycle? Can you make an argument for either of them making the plays they have as mafia? Any voting arguments or motives from those two in your own words? I haven't seen much in the way from you, from others yes, but not from you. (If you have, just quote it, thanks.) Had a small case on Fidei86 last day phase: On December 08 2015 05:30 disformation wrote: Sry, this will probably end up being a rant on Fidei86's filter. Hm so while he was suspicious on HtS at the start he then moves to: Show nested quote + On December 03 2015 04:08 Fidei86 wrote: Town Shining - He was winning townie plaudits for his fight with Palmar, but rather than carry it on (and continuing to crap up the thread) he stopped (or at least tried to) and gave a good read post at #229. I like his read on dis, which I agree with. He asks Kush and Moosy to do more, at a stage where the better Mafia play would have been to ignore them and let town coalesce towards a "lynch all idiots" lynch. (Disclaimer: I previously called him out for not stopping the fight, but a re-read of his filter shows he was trying to stop it but Palmar wouldn't let it go.) Trfel - Rels is right, for someone with over 3k posts Trfel sure apologises a lot. He seems to have some sort of reason for his early LS read, which I don't really care about. I actually like is read on Rels "why is he just throwing shit everywhere." Maybe town side of null. His later posts show quite nuanced reasoning. Moved to town for now, otherwise mostly everyone would be null Dis - he and Trfel are playing similarly in my view. Both reading the thread, giving thoughts relatively fearlessly. Nothing that particularly jumps out as scummy. Lean read. Null Damdred - underwhelmed by his reads, which seem to mostly have been of Shining. Need to filter dive. No sense in lynching today. Damdred - whole filter is super underwhelming. Says he has town reads, but then just gives me and Shining without and further explanation. Lacklustre but posts come off as condescending. Scum side of null but wouldn't lynch yet. HTS - I am scared of a Mafia Dani, and that is probably colouring my read of her. One thing I'm not sure of is why she voted for DYH having just excoriated kush for his dumbass post about voting for Rels. Palmar - his entire first act was fighting with Shining. He made his point, and I agreed with it. But he kept pushing and pushing beyond when it was reasonable. I also didn't like that he called my first post "fine" and "null" but at another point said I was a "tow read". Says he doesn't want to lynch into me, then later says I'd be an okay lynch? Huh? I had him in Mafia, but his last few reads on Damdred and Rels - I'm all over the place on Rels. I've made the point that Mafia Rels tends to buddy harder than he is here. But in this game he seems to be talking in complete parallel to the thread, raising points others aren't but not engaging in the same sort of manner I would expect from a town Rels. But I actually really like his DYH read and vote. Mafia LS - his entry list was all nulls ("I need more time on Moosy" -- no shit!) and basic basic points that display no particular thought. #431 says the game is hard but hasn't really given a read on anyone? O Useless Kush - he is going to have to do a lot to get back from "not changing my Rels vote even though he might be town because changing votes is hard" Moosy - only sensible post is pushing Shining on his read of me. When he'd explained it like 8 times and I'd only made one post. DYH - Lots of town-reads and afk promises. Hardly encouraging. Was not really a fan of his Trfel read. Onegu. It's O-word dude. Hands up if you're surprised. I have a bit of trouble following his LS progression after that. Like he thinks LS is scum and then votes kush because kush's progression on LS (who he thinks is scum) is scummy? N1 he also moves back to HtS... Show nested quote + On December 04 2015 08:39 Fidei86 wrote: I'm not scum. One thing I was thinking is that I actually pinged Dani out a while ago for the same sort of thing Alex is saying now. That's not to say that scum can't bus a little ... Obviously I didn't push Dani that hard. But if Alex agreed with my reasoning, surely it makes me unlikely to be her scum buddy? Also if I was scum I would 100% have shot Dani. Gameplay regardless, scum Fidei shoots HTS n1 every game. Every time. So there's that. Bold part for smiles. After that he talks a bit about a possible LS/HtS team. Seems a bit focused on certain persons. But he admitted to that earlier. His probing of NM seems town. Show nested quote + On December 04 2015 23:43 Fidei86 wrote: I am utterly convinced that LS is Mafia. I am willing to accept that Dani is Mafia, although if she flips town we lynch Alex (possibly before LS). But I will have time this weekend to read some of the outliers (dis might lynch me if I don't at least read DYH again). Show nested quote + On December 05 2015 00:20 Fidei86 wrote: So LS, your scum team is me, DYH and Dani. Except scumming DYH is easy because he has been a low volume poster, scumming Dani is easy because Alex, and scumming me is easy because of OMGUS? All of your reasons for town reading people are "they are towny", or a call back to a past game. This is a really poorly thought through list that shows no conviction and no intention to solve. LS is Mafia. Does he vote LS? + Show Spoiler + nope Show nested quote + On December 05 2015 00:25 Fidei86 wrote: On December 05 2015 00:23 LightningStrike wrote: BTW James you should check my read progression of DYH? I will. I'll also read DYH's filter this evening. Work is slow today, so I've been able to play a lot of Mafia, but it's all phone posting. Still waiting. Show nested quote + On December 08 2015 00:40 Fidei86 wrote: Gun to my head, on a pure gut read basis, I think the Mafia is likely 2 of LS, Disfo and NM. LS and NM I've discussed. Disfo is something I've been mulling for a while, and it's mostly because I feel all of his posts have tried to look useful but actually haven't been. (Filter dives to follow. I mean it this time). Not sure how "quite a while" translates to "my last mention of him is like super early D2 with a town read", but at least he is looking at more ppl than HtS,NM,LS and Trfel now. So here we have a bunch of trees. Let mediate a bit on the forest though. Yes he was suspicious of HtS early on. Did he push her hard? No. He seemed very sure about LS being scum. Did he push him? No. Does he vote him? No. He is very focused on a small group on people. Maybe trying to pick one out of the misslynch list? The reads on those people are also kinda constant. Like the scum read on LS. Promised to look at DYH, did play dota instead. While I like his interactions with NM, interactions with other ppl seem to lack a bit. Did he actually push anyone so far? So I'd say his desire to solve the game doesn't seem to be very present. Possible vote candidate. LS is kinda hard for me to read, probably need to play a few games with him. But most of his play here doesn't look like a solvent to this game. Kinda irks that he gets so much town reads for screaming around at EoD cause that should be pretty easy to fake. The Rels <> FF interactions didn't look so hot either. Probably need to recheck these three and the forest they planted this game to really decide who the #2 would be. Will try to do so tomorrow afternoon. | ||
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On December 11 2015 10:46 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On December 11 2015 10:24 NocturneMage wrote: Skimmed from night 3 to disformation, your rebuttal to Shining's case. So in summation you think Shining is tunnelling/confirmation bias on you. You proposed that if you got mislynched and town were wrong on both you and DYH, that LS and Fidei are the next likely mafia. What are you gauging them at as they do things through this cycle? Can you make an argument for either of them making the plays they have as mafia? Any voting arguments or motives from those two in your own words? I haven't seen much in the way from you, from others yes, but not from you. (If you have, just quote it, thanks.) Hm had a small case on Fidei86 earlier last day phase: + Show Spoiler + On December 11 2015 10:24 NocturneMage wrote: Skimmed from night 3 to disformation, your rebuttal to Shining's case. So in summation you think Shining is tunnelling/confirmation bias on you. You proposed that if you got mislynched and town were wrong on both you and DYH, that LS and Fidei are the next likely mafia. What are you gauging them at as they do things through this cycle? Can you make an argument for either of them making the plays they have as mafia? Any voting arguments or motives from those two in your own words? I haven't seen much in the way from you, from others yes, but not from you. (If you have, just quote it, thanks.) Had a small case on Fidei86 last day phase: On December 08 2015 05:30 disformation wrote: Sry, this will probably end up being a rant on Fidei86's filter. Hm so while he was suspicious on HtS at the start he then moves to: Show nested quote + On December 03 2015 04:08 Fidei86 wrote: Town Shining - He was winning townie plaudits for his fight with Palmar, but rather than carry it on (and continuing to crap up the thread) he stopped (or at least tried to) and gave a good read post at #229. I like his read on dis, which I agree with. He asks Kush and Moosy to do more, at a stage where the better Mafia play would have been to ignore them and let town coalesce towards a "lynch all idiots" lynch. (Disclaimer: I previously called him out for not stopping the fight, but a re-read of his filter shows he was trying to stop it but Palmar wouldn't let it go.) Trfel - Rels is right, for someone with over 3k posts Trfel sure apologises a lot. He seems to have some sort of reason for his early LS read, which I don't really care about. I actually like is read on Rels "why is he just throwing shit everywhere." Maybe town side of null. His later posts show quite nuanced reasoning. Moved to town for now, otherwise mostly everyone would be null Dis - he and Trfel are playing similarly in my view. Both reading the thread, giving thoughts relatively fearlessly. Nothing that particularly jumps out as scummy. Lean read. Null Damdred - underwhelmed by his reads, which seem to mostly have been of Shining. Need to filter dive. No sense in lynching today. Damdred - whole filter is super underwhelming. Says he has town reads, but then just gives me and Shining without and further explanation. Lacklustre but posts come off as condescending. Scum side of null but wouldn't lynch yet. HTS - I am scared of a Mafia Dani, and that is probably colouring my read of her. One thing I'm not sure of is why she voted for DYH having just excoriated kush for his dumbass post about voting for Rels. Palmar - his entire first act was fighting with Shining. He made his point, and I agreed with it. But he kept pushing and pushing beyond when it was reasonable. I also didn't like that he called my first post "fine" and "null" but at another point said I was a "tow read". Says he doesn't want to lynch into me, then later says I'd be an okay lynch? Huh? I had him in Mafia, but his last few reads on Damdred and Rels - I'm all over the place on Rels. I've made the point that Mafia Rels tends to buddy harder than he is here. But in this game he seems to be talking in complete parallel to the thread, raising points others aren't but not engaging in the same sort of manner I would expect from a town Rels. But I actually really like his DYH read and vote. Mafia LS - his entry list was all nulls ("I need more time on Moosy" -- no shit!) and basic basic points that display no particular thought. #431 says the game is hard but hasn't really given a read on anyone? O Useless Kush - he is going to have to do a lot to get back from "not changing my Rels vote even though he might be town because changing votes is hard" Moosy - only sensible post is pushing Shining on his read of me. When he'd explained it like 8 times and I'd only made one post. DYH - Lots of town-reads and afk promises. Hardly encouraging. Was not really a fan of his Trfel read. Onegu. It's O-word dude. Hands up if you're surprised. I have a bit of trouble following his LS progression after that. Like he thinks LS is scum and then votes kush because kush's progression on LS (who he thinks is scum) is scummy? N1 he also moves back to HtS... Show nested quote + On December 04 2015 08:39 Fidei86 wrote: I'm not scum. One thing I was thinking is that I actually pinged Dani out a while ago for the same sort of thing Alex is saying now. That's not to say that scum can't bus a little ... Obviously I didn't push Dani that hard. But if Alex agreed with my reasoning, surely it makes me unlikely to be her scum buddy? Also if I was scum I would 100% have shot Dani. Gameplay regardless, scum Fidei shoots HTS n1 every game. Every time. So there's that. Bold part for smiles. After that he talks a bit about a possible LS/HtS team. Seems a bit focused on certain persons. But he admitted to that earlier. His probing of NM seems town. Show nested quote + On December 04 2015 23:43 Fidei86 wrote: I am utterly convinced that LS is Mafia. I am willing to accept that Dani is Mafia, although if she flips town we lynch Alex (possibly before LS). But I will have time this weekend to read some of the outliers (dis might lynch me if I don't at least read DYH again). Show nested quote + On December 05 2015 00:20 Fidei86 wrote: So LS, your scum team is me, DYH and Dani. Except scumming DYH is easy because he has been a low volume poster, scumming Dani is easy because Alex, and scumming me is easy because of OMGUS? All of your reasons for town reading people are "they are towny", or a call back to a past game. This is a really poorly thought through list that shows no conviction and no intention to solve. LS is Mafia. Does he vote LS? + Show Spoiler + nope Show nested quote + On December 05 2015 00:25 Fidei86 wrote: On December 05 2015 00:23 LightningStrike wrote: BTW James you should check my read progression of DYH? I will. I'll also read DYH's filter this evening. Work is slow today, so I've been able to play a lot of Mafia, but it's all phone posting. Still waiting. Show nested quote + On December 08 2015 00:40 Fidei86 wrote: Gun to my head, on a pure gut read basis, I think the Mafia is likely 2 of LS, Disfo and NM. LS and NM I've discussed. Disfo is something I've been mulling for a while, and it's mostly because I feel all of his posts have tried to look useful but actually haven't been. (Filter dives to follow. I mean it this time). Not sure how "quite a while" translates to "my last mention of him is like super early D2 with a town read", but at least he is looking at more ppl than HtS,NM,LS and Trfel now. So here we have a bunch of trees. Let mediate a bit on the forest though. Yes he was suspicious of HtS early on. Did he push her hard? No. He seemed very sure about LS being scum. Did he push him? No. Does he vote him? No. He is very focused on a small group on people. Maybe trying to pick one out of the misslynch list? The reads on those people are also kinda constant. Like the scum read on LS. Promised to look at DYH, did play dota instead. While I like his interactions with NM, interactions with other ppl seem to lack a bit. Did he actually push anyone so far? So I'd say his desire to solve the game doesn't seem to be very present. Possible vote candidate. LS is kinda hard for me to read, probably need to play a few games with him. But most of his play here doesn't look like a solvent to this game. Kinda irks that he gets so much town reads for screaming around at EoD cause that should be pretty easy to fake. The Rels <> FF interactions didn't look so hot either. Probably need to recheck these three and the forest they planted this game to really decide who the #2 would be. Will try to do so tomorrow afternoon. Eh. This cycle, so my case of Fidei is a bit outdated. xD Sry, 02:48 am here. Will also go to bed shortly. LS seems kinda lost this day phase so far. 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On December 11 2015 10:50 NocturneMage wrote: Show nested quote + On December 09 2015 05:07 Fidei86 wrote: This party is going on and I won't have time to read more filters. Please move on to LS. I will consolidate if it's clear its Trfel or DY, but I don't want to lynch either of them right now. Show nested quote + On December 09 2015 06:31 Fidei86 wrote: I would vote FF if nobody wants to join my LS lynch. But I don't really want to vote for DYH. I'd vote Trfel over him. This makes James less likely to be mafia. Would like the bold part more, if he actually would have voted FF. But yeah. Fidei86 also put a bit of work into the game after the small case on him was done. So I think he is unlikely scum. In a world were town is wrong on both DYH and me, there might exist a crazy tinfoil, where Rels is the last scum and he has me in his pocket + helps me stay focused on DYH so he can misslynch us both. Like: On December 05 2015 01:21 Rels wrote: Show nested quote + On December 05 2015 01:19 disformation wrote: On December 05 2015 01:11 Rels wrote: Disfo: one of NM and HTS is probably scum. Can you chose one ? I don't think this comes from scum!NM On December 05 2015 00:25 NocturneMage wrote: I also heavily believe LS is Mafia. He's going out after Dani. If Dani flips town, I am giving her my next two weeks' salary and I'll take a mislynch because I am that fucking bad at understanding someone I know extremely well in real life. There is zero fucking chance she is town. Zero. Rels, I can understand you being hesitant because I'm not being "analytical" but this is HTS we are talking about here. She is a weasel when she is Mafia. And as explained here: On December 04 2015 00:08 disformation wrote: HtS From the top of my head I feel like there is a certain lack on follow ups. I also remembered playing with town!HtS in my first game (NSM9), where she was interrogating me inquisiton style EoD1 and D2 to get some conclusions from me. That kind of fire is a bit missing here I feel. So her coming back to follow up on the promised re-reads of people and throwing out some reads, would be great. I think HtS is null at best. Since NM is starting to gain a bunch of townie brownies and I believe that his read on HtS is godtier, HtS has a pretty high chance of flipping scum. ...shit. Am I tunneled on DYH? No DYH is probably scum. Don't think that is likely though. | ||
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Still need a few little things to do, though. Also: kinda decided that I spent way to much time in front of my PC during the most part of the year (master thesis and then trying to recover from the stress of that) and need to get out more. So I am going out today. Might make me miss the DL (great timing, I know) but I'll try to be on phone a bit. | ||
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There are a bunch of ppl that might vote me or might not vote me. Not really comfortable with that, TBH. | ||
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Got like 2hours before I need to go, so I'll try to look at the filters I mentioned earlier/yesterday. | ||
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On December 11 2015 23:44 Rels wrote: Show nested quote + On December 03 2015 03:27 Fidei86 wrote: 16/26. The only reason not to policy lynch Onegu is that he will almost certainly be replaced for inactivity. I'm probably going to put my vote on Moosy once i finish my run through. He has been useless and I can't stand people who put keeping their own meta pure ahead of winning the f***ing game. Around that time, I was PMd by Onegu asking me if he could replace out of my game. This is a extremely weird coincidence. Hm. Isn't that out of game information? | ||
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FF actually had a bunch of posts on Fidei86, like: On December 05 2015 08:27 Fecalfeast wrote: I think the fidei palmar interaction has palmar looking towny while fidei came out looking a little worse to me. One thing I remember that I'll dig up is Show nested quote + On December 04 2015 22:59 Palmar wrote: You're overthinking (possibly suspiciously?) You said it best yourself, now we kill hts. Show nested quote + On December 04 2015 23:02 Fidei86 wrote: Lets leave it there and see what everyone else has to say. Don't want to hijack the thread totally. Which looks a little too much like he's trying to avoid palmar expanding further on his possible suspicions and/or not wanting to slip up and further those suspicions. additionally I don't like this Show nested quote + On December 04 2015 22:00 Fidei86 wrote: On December 04 2015 21:50 Palmar wrote: Also, if you can't figure out my alignment that's on you, not me. Town hero and eternal leader Damdred figured it out. Wow you actually do have four pages of filter. Okay. But I do disagree with you viz you "being towny" enough. It's actually not. When you get mislynched its almost always 50% on the idiots who lynched you and 50% on you for being scummy town. That's a really important thing that lots of people forget as town. this comes after fidei said "can we lynch you for not playing the game palmar?" and palmar retorted with his filter length. It looks like fidei saw a potential lynch option down the road and made a post without even checking palmar out. Could possibly indicate that fidei's not really reading since I remember at least seeing a number a palmar posts. I was going to comment on a possible overexplanation by fidei on why he is ok lynching hts because hts is probably aware of NM's ability to read her since they're married iirc but that's getting a little wifomy even for me So he was pushing Fidei86 a bit. Though again: no real interactions imo... | ||
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On December 04 2015 09:25 Fecalfeast wrote: Show nested quote + On December 04 2015 09:24 Fidei86 wrote: Hey, I was surprised as everyone else that you all followed me into that shitty lynch. But technically Palmar was the first mover, I was just the first one to urge everyone to switch. Why did I scowl so hard after reading this post? That was weird On December 04 2015 09:29 Fecalfeast wrote: Show nested quote + On December 04 2015 09:29 Fidei86 wrote: Jesus H Christ Trfel how are you generating this much content this quickly. I was just about to say... Maybe the reason you feel like you're being ignored is because your walls of text are critting the fuck out of everyone's brains I don't feel like these are going anywhere. | ||
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On December 12 2015 00:14 Rels wrote: Show nested quote + On December 12 2015 00:13 disformation wrote: Was looking at a few filter, but not really seeing anything new... FF actually had a bunch of posts on Fidei86, like: On December 05 2015 08:27 Fecalfeast wrote: I think the fidei palmar interaction has palmar looking towny while fidei came out looking a little worse to me. One thing I remember that I'll dig up is On December 04 2015 22:59 Palmar wrote: You're overthinking (possibly suspiciously?) You said it best yourself, now we kill hts. On December 04 2015 23:02 Fidei86 wrote: Lets leave it there and see what everyone else has to say. Don't want to hijack the thread totally. Which looks a little too much like he's trying to avoid palmar expanding further on his possible suspicions and/or not wanting to slip up and further those suspicions. additionally I don't like this On December 04 2015 22:00 Fidei86 wrote: On December 04 2015 21:50 Palmar wrote: Also, if you can't figure out my alignment that's on you, not me. Town hero and eternal leader Damdred figured it out. Wow you actually do have four pages of filter. Okay. But I do disagree with you viz you "being towny" enough. It's actually not. When you get mislynched its almost always 50% on the idiots who lynched you and 50% on you for being scummy town. That's a really important thing that lots of people forget as town. this comes after fidei said "can we lynch you for not playing the game palmar?" and palmar retorted with his filter length. It looks like fidei saw a potential lynch option down the road and made a post without even checking palmar out. Could possibly indicate that fidei's not really reading since I remember at least seeing a number a palmar posts. I was going to comment on a possible overexplanation by fidei on why he is ok lynching hts because hts is probably aware of NM's ability to read her since they're married iirc but that's getting a little wifomy even for me So he was pushing Fidei86 a bit. Though again: no real interactions imo... Yep that's true FF attacked fidei with arguments not said by someone else, which is super unlikely for partners. Yeah, good point. Overall I don't think Fidei86 is likely to flip scum. | ||
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On December 12 2015 02:12 NocturneMage wrote: I disagree on the voting theory but whatever. I have no problem taking a mislynch if people are so sure and thinking that I bussed Dani. I can readily understand why people are sceptical that I have a god tier read on her, and especially for those that don't know us well. Does anyone know how good Rels is at mafia? I think he endgamed once? I'll carry on reading filters. random disformation town post. only played with town!rels . twice. | ||
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On December 12 2015 02:22 Fidei86 wrote: @Alex Rels is god-tier mafia player. Probably one of the best on the site at the moment, or definitely the best in recent memory. I really think Rels is the last mafia here. Partly it's my POE, on the grounds that I think it's probably someone who was on Trfel, and I don't want to kill Alex yet because the big bus he planned is a bit too yolo for me to believe in. I just skimmed Rels' filter really quickly. It's not really indicative. But he barely says anything about FF really (at least not early on - I made it to page 7 before I ran out of steam). And his interactions with HTS I found really weird. He kept following on her posts with further comments. Or someone would be talking about her, and he'd be like "oh, well that's interesting, what do you think about other random townie". Also he got onto HTS totally randomly, having been wildly fluctuating around between DYH and Trfel. I recognise that this isn't exactly the most artfully put case ever. And it sort of contradicts what I've said about Rels before. THe truth is, he has a 15 page filter but I don't think he's said that much that is particularly compelling. The argument the other way is that Rels is super amazing at mafia and usually when he's mafia he's hyperactive. He is playing very differently this game, for sure. But the POE is strong. ##Vote:Rels I have to go to my Xmas Christmas Party tomorrow. Then I will sleep for approx. 1,000 yrs tomorrow. But when I wake up I will be ready to either celebrate the victory, or else figure out which of you other bastards is actually mafia arent you christmas partying all week already? | ||
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At least I don't have to worry about my Rels tinfoil anymore. GG Rels. Still think DYH has the highest chance to flip scum, but I will look at few things this evening. Probably trying to look at some votes first. | ||
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On December 13 2015 02:36 LightningStrike wrote: You posted that twice lol..... He forget to colour Trfel green on Day 3 the first time. | ||
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On December 13 2015 02:21 Fidei86 wrote: DAY 1 Show nested quote + Kushm4sta (7): Fidei86, Damdred, LS, Shining, Rels, HTS, Palm LightningStrike (4): disformation, kushm4sta, DoYouHas, Trfel Not Voting (2): MoosyDoosy, Onegu DAY 2 Show nested quote + Half the Sky (9): NocturneMage, DoYouHas, Fecalfeast, Rels, Trfel, Fidei86, Palmar, The Shining, LightningStrike DoYouHas (1): disformation NocturneMage (1): Half the Sky DAY 3 Show nested quote + Fecalfeast (3): Trfel, The Shining, disformation Trfel (3): NocturneMage, Fecalfeast, Rels LightningStrike (1): Fidei86 Fidei86 (1): LightningStrike Disinformation (1): DoYouHas DAY 4 Show nested quote + Rels (3): DoYouHas, NocturneMage, The Shining DoYouHas (2): disformation, LightningStrike NocturneMage (2): Fidei86, Rels Few random thoughts: I heard that scum tries to not vote for the same ppl a few times, since it might lead town to uncover further connections between them. D1 that would point to: disformation and DoYouHas. Unfortunately MoosyDoosy didn't vote. D3 that would make it slightly less likely for NM to be scum... was DYH on Trfel before randomly voting me? Need to check. | ||
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On December 13 2015 02:57 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On December 13 2015 02:21 Fidei86 wrote: DAY 1 Kushm4sta (7): Fidei86, Damdred, LS, Shining, Rels, HTS, Palm LightningStrike (4): disformation, kushm4sta, DoYouHas, Trfel Not Voting (2): MoosyDoosy, Onegu DAY 2 Half the Sky (9): NocturneMage, DoYouHas, Fecalfeast, Rels, Trfel, Fidei86, Palmar, The Shining, LightningStrike DoYouHas (1): disformation NocturneMage (1): Half the Sky DAY 3 Fecalfeast (3): Trfel, The Shining, disformation Trfel (3): NocturneMage, Fecalfeast, Rels LightningStrike (1): Fidei86 Fidei86 (1): LightningStrike Disinformation (1): DoYouHas DAY 4 Rels (3): DoYouHas, NocturneMage, The Shining DoYouHas (2): disformation, LightningStrike NocturneMage (2): Fidei86, Rels Few random thoughts: I heard that scum tries to not vote for the same ppl a few times, since it might lead town to uncover further connections between them. D1 that would point to: disformation and DoYouHas. Unfortunately MoosyDoosy didn't vote. D3 that would make it slightly less likely for NM to be scum... was DYH on Trfel before randomly voting me? Need to check. Nah, DYH was no voting before voting me D3. Hm, *scratches head* | ||
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On December 13 2015 03:43 The Shining wrote: So it's more likely he was just around to defend himself. The moment Rels and DYH were the main wagons, disformation disappeared. Lynch disfo. My case is still accurate. Please. Especially if I get shot tonight I would not have been there yesterday even if I was the main wagon. You also haven't told me what you didn't like about my response to your case. | ||
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On December 13 2015 03:41 The Shining wrote: [...] Disfo wasnt even around for eod. He is still trying go get DYH, arguably the scummiest player [...], lynched. Rels said disfo was town for being around last day phase. That's NAI. He was being scumeead Fixed. | ||
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On December 13 2015 08:14 NocturneMage wrote: I'll try and crack on this more when I get off work or tomorrow morning. For sure though if one thing can be confirmed, it's that James is an idiot vig. Who does dick all with their gun the entire game?? unless he stacked kp or something with mafia? that's the only thing I can think of? apparently he's a lawyer, he can't be that stupid. back to work. I am thinking... wasn't he scumreading Palmar at some point like D2/N2? Maybe Palmar is just so feared he got shot by both sides? =/ | ||
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On December 13 2015 08:26 The Shining wrote: Meh w.e i guess he couldve stacked kp with scum...but that means shooting Damdred, Palmar or Trfel is an equally bad play. Smh. On the flip side, my being alive could mean Disfo is town after all and they want me to push the mislynch on him. NM is finding pretty shitty reasons to scum me here, seemingly out of nowhere, after being willing to sheep me last day phase on Disfo before swapping over to Rels(voting with me). He also unvoted pretty early as if waiting to see which vote would be safer. He lynched Rels. Scum shot Fidei. What do those two have in common? Both town, both tried to shenanny onto NM, who had a weird goodbye post before he was ever shenannied on. I'm gonna flip a coin. Because one of disfo/NM is scum and NM is flipping his read too easily here. Hmm... what happened to this? On December 12 2015 07:50 The Shining wrote: Show nested quote + On December 12 2015 07:40 NocturneMage wrote: and trying to pick back up on Rels' filter as well. I'm honestly grappling here. There is nothing right now that is screaming mafia about DYH. I really feel the case being made against him is 50/50 at best. I tried lining all shit up, I tried isolating his case against hts, like I said time and again there's an equal possibility he could have pushed the Dani lynch on his own. there are certain elements of her play that could have allowed him to do this. my other hesistancy is that the points being made is that ff is the one making the points and dyh never got to him for all I could tell. like I thought and thought, I mean I could honestly see this go either way. ff can spout off whatever. scum have a general generic tendency to fall off but this, dyh just seems like someone who is damned busy to play. the only thing that jumps at me is voting disformation in the event that disformation is town but that's unflipped association. This feela like possible distancing/TMI about DYH. Tempted to lynch DYH and NM if he flips town now, ugh. So you think I am just more scummy than DYH? Can you give me a few points on why Rels last case on DYH is not good? Or stuff in my defense I could expand upon? You know: help me to help you. | ||
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On December 13 2015 09:03 The Shining wrote: Show nested quote + On December 13 2015 08:52 disformation wrote: On December 13 2015 08:26 The Shining wrote: Meh w.e i guess he couldve stacked kp with scum...but that means shooting Damdred, Palmar or Trfel is an equally bad play. Smh. On the flip side, my being alive could mean Disfo is town after all and they want me to push the mislynch on him. NM is finding pretty shitty reasons to scum me here, seemingly out of nowhere, after being willing to sheep me last day phase on Disfo before swapping over to Rels(voting with me). He also unvoted pretty early as if waiting to see which vote would be safer. He lynched Rels. Scum shot Fidei. What do those two have in common? Both town, both tried to shenanny onto NM, who had a weird goodbye post before he was ever shenannied on. I'm gonna flip a coin. Because one of disfo/NM is scum and NM is flipping his read too easily here. Hmm... what happened to this? On December 12 2015 07:50 The Shining wrote: On December 12 2015 07:40 NocturneMage wrote: and trying to pick back up on Rels' filter as well. I'm honestly grappling here. There is nothing right now that is screaming mafia about DYH. I really feel the case being made against him is 50/50 at best. I tried lining all shit up, I tried isolating his case against hts, like I said time and again there's an equal possibility he could have pushed the Dani lynch on his own. there are certain elements of her play that could have allowed him to do this. my other hesistancy is that the points being made is that ff is the one making the points and dyh never got to him for all I could tell. like I thought and thought, I mean I could honestly see this go either way. ff can spout off whatever. scum have a general generic tendency to fall off but this, dyh just seems like someone who is damned busy to play. the only thing that jumps at me is voting disformation in the event that disformation is town but that's unflipped association. This feela like possible distancing/TMI about DYH. Tempted to lynch DYH and NM if he flips town now, ugh. So you think I am just more scummy than DYH? Can you give me a few points on why Rels last case on DYH is not good? Or stuff in my defense I could expand upon? You know: help me to help you. Your vote on DYH while saying HTS is scum is still bad. DYH had his case on HTS before NM did. And nah doing either of those would require me still caring about this game, which I don't now that I know we had either a stacked or wasted Vig shot. Maybe I'll get around to why Rels case on DYH wasn't good. I already made a few posts on the points regarding FFs interactions with DYH but its whatever. This game is dragging and I'm tilting, its obvious and it is probably one of the reasons why I'm still alive. Okay, fair enough. | ||
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On December 14 2015 01:05 LightningStrike wrote: dis did you get any new information from reading the filters now that James had flipped Vig? Still on it. Should maybe look at Fidei86 again, too. What happened between: On December 12 2015 01:35 LightningStrike wrote: Okay I rather lynch DYH over dis atm after looking at their filters myself. I would like Shining to come back in and talk and see where he is at and: On December 13 2015 03:54 LightningStrike wrote: Show nested quote + On December 13 2015 03:41 The Shining wrote: Nah I'm going back to lynching disformation. We let him off too easy yesterday and it pisses me off. How is it that people can suspect NM of bussing his RB but disfo is suddenly hard town for hammering FF? Disfo wasnt even around for eod. He is still trying go get DYH, arguably the lowest content player and one of the easiest lynches now, lynched. Rels said disfo was town for being around last day phase. That's NAI. He was being scumeead I willing to sheep you this time around Shining if that makes you feel better. I honestly don't know why Rels hammered himself still..... Also I think you wanted to look at a few filters again, too. So if you find out something new, feel free to post, too. | ||
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On December 14 2015 02:09 LightningStrike wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2015 01:38 disformation wrote: On December 14 2015 01:05 LightningStrike wrote: dis did you get any new information from reading the filters now that James had flipped Vig? Still on it. Should maybe look at Fidei86 again, too. What happened between: On December 12 2015 01:35 LightningStrike wrote: Okay I rather lynch DYH over dis atm after looking at their filters myself. I would like Shining to come back in and talk and see where he is at and: On December 13 2015 03:54 LightningStrike wrote: On December 13 2015 03:41 The Shining wrote: Nah I'm going back to lynching disformation. We let him off too easy yesterday and it pisses me off. How is it that people can suspect NM of bussing his RB but disfo is suddenly hard town for hammering FF? Disfo wasnt even around for eod. He is still trying go get DYH, arguably the lowest content player and one of the easiest lynches now, lynched. Rels said disfo was town for being around last day phase. That's NAI. He was being scumeead I willing to sheep you this time around Shining if that makes you feel better. I honestly don't know why Rels hammered himself still..... Also I think you wanted to look at a few filters again, too. So if you find out something new, feel free to post, too. Tinfoil happened I starting to think that there is real chance that NM really bussed his wife for insane towncred because MD's slot needed it. Also I remember reading Ver's guide on how to play mafia and one he noted is that towncred is overrated so (shrugs). Maybe no lynch could be a good idea too but I need to check something in the op. Hm. Currently looking at NM's filter. Didn't find something that would make me want lynch NM over DYH so far. No lynch. Hm... Currently we have 4-1, right? ML would put us at 2-1. MYLO/LYLO whatever that one is. No Lynch would put us at 3-1. MYLO/LYLO the other one then. | ||
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On December 14 2015 02:49 LightningStrike wrote: Wait we can lynch one more person before LYLO so ya lynching might be our best option but the question is who do we lynch. Yeah, exactly. You're going to sheep The Shining? Still slogging through the filters, but to be completely honest I am not even sure what I am looking for at this point. DYH is still more likely than NM imo. There are some parts in your filter I didn't like much, like not doing a lot of game solving D1 and a large part of D2 and you were the last one to hop on HtS, while maintaining a null read on her most of D2. Though I don't think I should be allowed to criticize you for that. xD Also NM pointed out that you are at least somewhat capable of faking your town meta as scum. Still think The Shining is town, but I'll have a look at his filter just in case. | ||
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On December 14 2015 04:36 DoYouHas wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2015 04:24 disformation wrote: Ah nearly forgot: DoYouHas a preferred sweetheart atm? Currently in the first half of NM's filter. Still getting the town feels. Will see if that persists by the time I get to the end. I agree with Shining's votecount reasoning why LS is unlikely (he could have easily prevented the FF lynch as an outlier voter, but didn't) My money is currently on you Disfo in spite of the hammer. I'm not 100% on this, but we'll see how things shake out. Maybe we are just a match made in the heavens and doomed to scum read each other. Yeah the thing with NM is: bussing HtS like this would be a super sick scum play and NM and HtS would probably have an easy time talking about this. His tone is a bit different to his last towngame (where I was town too), but it looks even more different to his last mafia game, where he was barely communicating. Though I think that mafia game was his first game on tl.net, so he could have gotten better. Still don't see him going from barely communicating to going to a 18 page filter, after replacing in after D1. Also ignoring the possible bus stuff his filter looks town to me. His random The Shining vote this cycle looks a bit wtf, though. So overall I don't think he will flip scum. Also still think The Shining is town. PoE like this leaves me with LightningStrike and DoYouHas. This is a bit tougher for me currently, so give me a moment. | ||
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On December 14 2015 05:01 The Shining wrote: Hmmmm. Town mindset: shining if you're town, don't tilt, continue playing and help find the last scum. Scum mindset: ok shining fair enough, keep tilting, let me win this game. DYH is town. Disfo is scum. ##Vote: disfo On December 13 2015 08:52 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On December 13 2015 08:26 The Shining wrote: Meh w.e i guess he couldve stacked kp with scum...but that means shooting Damdred, Palmar or Trfel is an equally bad play. Smh. On the flip side, my being alive could mean Disfo is town after all and they want me to push the mislynch on him. NM is finding pretty shitty reasons to scum me here, seemingly out of nowhere, after being willing to sheep me last day phase on Disfo before swapping over to Rels(voting with me). He also unvoted pretty early as if waiting to see which vote would be safer. He lynched Rels. Scum shot Fidei. What do those two have in common? Both town, both tried to shenanny onto NM, who had a weird goodbye post before he was ever shenannied on. I'm gonna flip a coin. Because one of disfo/NM is scum and NM is flipping his read too easily here. Hmm... what happened to this? Show nested quote + On December 12 2015 07:50 The Shining wrote: On December 12 2015 07:40 NocturneMage wrote: and trying to pick back up on Rels' filter as well. I'm honestly grappling here. There is nothing right now that is screaming mafia about DYH. I really feel the case being made against him is 50/50 at best. I tried lining all shit up, I tried isolating his case against hts, like I said time and again there's an equal possibility he could have pushed the Dani lynch on his own. there are certain elements of her play that could have allowed him to do this. my other hesistancy is that the points being made is that ff is the one making the points and dyh never got to him for all I could tell. like I thought and thought, I mean I could honestly see this go either way. ff can spout off whatever. scum have a general generic tendency to fall off but this, dyh just seems like someone who is damned busy to play. the only thing that jumps at me is voting disformation in the event that disformation is town but that's unflipped association. This feela like possible distancing/TMI about DYH. Tempted to lynch DYH and NM if he flips town now, ugh. So you think I am just more scummy than DYH? Can you give me a few points on why Rels last case on DYH is not good? Or stuff in my defense I could expand upon? You know: help me to help you. On December 13 2015 09:10 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On December 13 2015 09:03 The Shining wrote: On December 13 2015 08:52 disformation wrote: On December 13 2015 08:26 The Shining wrote: Meh w.e i guess he couldve stacked kp with scum...but that means shooting Damdred, Palmar or Trfel is an equally bad play. Smh. On the flip side, my being alive could mean Disfo is town after all and they want me to push the mislynch on him. NM is finding pretty shitty reasons to scum me here, seemingly out of nowhere, after being willing to sheep me last day phase on Disfo before swapping over to Rels(voting with me). He also unvoted pretty early as if waiting to see which vote would be safer. He lynched Rels. Scum shot Fidei. What do those two have in common? Both town, both tried to shenanny onto NM, who had a weird goodbye post before he was ever shenannied on. I'm gonna flip a coin. Because one of disfo/NM is scum and NM is flipping his read too easily here. Hmm... what happened to this? On December 12 2015 07:50 The Shining wrote: On December 12 2015 07:40 NocturneMage wrote: and trying to pick back up on Rels' filter as well. I'm honestly grappling here. There is nothing right now that is screaming mafia about DYH. I really feel the case being made against him is 50/50 at best. I tried lining all shit up, I tried isolating his case against hts, like I said time and again there's an equal possibility he could have pushed the Dani lynch on his own. there are certain elements of her play that could have allowed him to do this. my other hesistancy is that the points being made is that ff is the one making the points and dyh never got to him for all I could tell. like I thought and thought, I mean I could honestly see this go either way. ff can spout off whatever. scum have a general generic tendency to fall off but this, dyh just seems like someone who is damned busy to play. the only thing that jumps at me is voting disformation in the event that disformation is town but that's unflipped association. This feela like possible distancing/TMI about DYH. Tempted to lynch DYH and NM if he flips town now, ugh. So you think I am just more scummy than DYH? Can you give me a few points on why Rels last case on DYH is not good? Or stuff in my defense I could expand upon? You know: help me to help you. Your vote on DYH while saying HTS is scum is still bad. DYH had his case on HTS before NM did. And nah doing either of those would require me still caring about this game, which I don't now that I know we had either a stacked or wasted Vig shot. Maybe I'll get around to why Rels case on DYH wasn't good. I already made a few posts on the points regarding FFs interactions with DYH but its whatever. This game is dragging and I'm tilting, its obvious and it is probably one of the reasons why I'm still alive. Okay, fair enough. So that means I am both town and scum? In this case I think I have to rethink my approach to this game as town. I just didn't want to press into going even more tilt. -.- | ||
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On December 12 2015 01:04 Rels wrote: Hey guys I found this thing lying around in BH's bedroom! Apparently it's some kind of guide to win this game! Awesome right ? Let me transcript it for you: I hope he doesn't remark I took it ... Townie guide to winning this game Step 1: Required reading disfo's case on DYH FF's interactions with DYH are partner indicative DYH's scumread of disfo has no basis: he voted him on an "initial insctinct" which doesn't exist Part 2 of the thing above Step 2: Vote DYH Step 3: Lynch DYH Step 4: Win | ||
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On December 14 2015 05:20 DoYouHas wrote: So I am your pick disfo? or is LS? or are you trying to attack shining instead of genuinely pushing a better lynch. I want The Shining to work with me and explain his reads a bit better. Yeah, currently it is: DYH > LS > NM > TS > Me In terms of scumminess, but I am having a bit of hard time in reading LS, which gives me a bit of a pause. On December 14 2015 05:22 DoYouHas wrote: Like, if you agree with your own case and all the things Rels posted against me, why are you hesitating? Fair enough. As per my current order of scumminess lets vote you. | ||
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On December 14 2015 05:42 The Shining wrote: Which is more likely? NM bussing his RB with a possible vet in the game? Or a scumread Disfo hammering FF after seeing the votes minutes before EoD and panicking about not lynching scum twice? He NEEDED to bus FF, or it would've been two scum lynches he wasn't on, on top of being scumread. Oh, that one gave me a nice idea... Scum knew that there could not be a possible vet in this game after the boxer flip. Possible setups: [/QUOTE]A: 1-shot cop, 1-shot vigi, 8x VT, Goon, GF, RB B: 1-shot cop, BoxeR, 8x VT, Goon, Goon, RB C: 1-shot vigi, BoxeR, 8x VT, Goon, Goon, RB D: Veteran, BoxeR, 8x VT, Goon, GF, RB Boxer flip leaves 3 possible setups. Since the Vigi flip we know it is Setup C with Goon, Goon, RB. The possible setup with the Vet would have been Goon, GF, RB. Meaning after the boxer flip scum knew it was B or C since they at least had to know their roles. No vet possible. Which should make it a bunch easier to bus the RB early... | ||
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On December 14 2015 06:00 The Shining wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2015 05:55 disformation wrote: On December 14 2015 05:42 The Shining wrote: Which is more likely? NM bussing his RB with a possible vet in the game? Or a scumread Disfo hammering FF after seeing the votes minutes before EoD and panicking about not lynching scum twice? He NEEDED to bus FF, or it would've been two scum lynches he wasn't on, on top of being scumread. Oh, that one gave me a nice idea... Scum knew that there could not be a possible vet in this game after the boxer flip. Possible setups: A: 1-shot cop, 1-shot vigi, 8x VT, Goon, GF, RB B: 1-shot cop, BoxeR, 8x VT, Goon, Goon, RB C: 1-shot vigi, BoxeR, 8x VT, Goon, Goon, RB D: Veteran, BoxeR, 8x VT, Goon, GF, RB Boxer flip leaves 3 possible setups. Since the Vigi flip we know it is Setup C with Goon, Goon, RB. The possible setup with the Vet would have been Goon, GF, RB. Meaning after the boxer flip scum knew it was B or C since they at least had to know their roles. No vet possible. Which should make it a bunch easier to bus the RB early... Thanks for the slip. Everyone should go vote Disfo now. Scum had a Goon and RB flip. There is no way for any other town to know whether the 3rd scum was a goon or GF. Vig didn't flip until the NK last night. Even if scum knows their roles, we only know the goon and RB flipped. You just implied there is a GF. After the boxer flip, even if scum knew their own roles, you shouldn't.[/QUOTE] No clue what you are talking about here. There are 4 possible setups. We had a Boxer and a vigi flip. which 100% means it is setup C. | ||
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On December 14 2015 06:08 The Shining wrote: See my last post. I didn't actually realize what setup it was or that the Vig flip confirmed it. But you're so aware of it. As if it was discussed in a Mafia QT =D So now you're saying NM is scum and bussed then? Because even if scum would know its B or C after the Boxer flip, without having a GF, bussing an RB when they could block a possible red check or Vig shot is still not the most optimal play. Especially since without the Vig flip at that point, they wouldn't know if there's a cop or not. Bussing a goon when you're under suspicion is still a likely play. Yeah, sure I've discussed that with HtS over a game of Dota and while drinking a bottle of whiskey. + Show Spoiler + not serious here More likely DYH with his super early case for max cred. Can't completely rule out a NM bus, but the rest of his filter looks much more town to me than DYH's. | ||
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On December 14 2015 06:18 The Shining wrote: The fact also stands that the things and reasons you found to vote FF were there the entire day phase, but you made these reasons minutes before EoD after the lynch on FF was being pushed and they were the same reasons you thought he was lazy town. And you didn't even say you were sheeping Trfel or me. It's as if you wanted to portray you had original thoughts to vote FF to have a reason to be on the wagon but you blamed his laziness and Fallout 4 excuse. Disfo says "oh crap remember FF entrance? I was suspicious of him cuz he was always doing stuff and quite lazy like last game" but he wasn't suspicious of him. He towned him for these reasons. It took until right before EoD when the lynch started for Disfo to use these same reasons he towned him as the reason why he was voting him. Eh, there might be a typo in your stuff. Le me try to explain my FF stuff again: I had a town lean on FF for being lazy like he was in the last game, right. But at the beginning FF wasn't lazy, he actually came into the thread doing a bit of work/converstation/whatever, before the Fallout 4 excuses. Which had me a bit worried, but then he started being super lazy. So I go "It is an older code, but it checks out. I hope I can interact a bit with him like last game to clear that up." I hadn't really looked at him D3, cause I was trying to make sense of Trfel and DYH and stuff. So when ppl mentioned FF I was like "huh, let's look at his filter again". And then I remembered/realized that like the first page of his filter didn't look like lazy FF at all. But since only a few mins where left I wasn't willing to type up a huge wall and opted to get my vote in b4 deadline. | ||
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I was hoping I could keep my not-getting-misslynched streak alive, but I feel this won't happen at this point. If you guys manage to ruin both my not-getting-misslynched and my town winning streak I am going to throw even more angry walls at you post game. Could you at least do me a favour and take some reaction selfies on reading my name in green and post them post game? | ||
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On December 14 2015 06:26 The Shining wrote: Show nested quote + On December 09 2015 06:14 The Shining wrote: I love Monday Tuesday phases. /sarcasm Phone posting. I still want to lynch ff or disfo, honestly. FF taking the cheap sheep route is bad. And disfos posts just aren't feeling like the town disfo I played with before. Weak meta reads because I don't have time to filter but I really do feel I'm right on at least one of these, probably disfo. I liked DYHs points on hts association, too, I've made similar cases over weird interactions and reads between scummates before. I wish he hadn't backed down on it. NM Rels Trfel and DYH are town pile. Fidei doesn't feel as bad to me anymore. Voting disfo or ff. Show nested quote + On December 09 2015 07:33 The Shining wrote: On December 09 2015 07:13 Trfel wrote: Change of assumptions. I'm going to assume that even if I don't know why, the most active/vocal posters are town and mostly wrong. And the mafia are casually standing by the side, watching and sometimes supporting, but letting others lead. I think that this points at Fecalfeast. Thoughts? I actually like this train of thought, too, and it's one of the reasons that I want to lynch ff. Like I see what are in my opinion a lot of town on town interactions and the ones not weighing in on it are not doing so because they want town to bury themselves Show nested quote + On December 09 2015 07:56 The Shining wrote: Honestly I'm voting fecal and I think I should be sheeped regardless of those not TRing trfel. It was also brought up that ppl don't want to take LS to lylo Why would you want to take ff to lylo then? How is it possible Disfo could have 0 reactions to any of these posts then pull this off? Show nested quote + On December 09 2015 07:58 The Shining wrote: On December 09 2015 07:57 disformation wrote: Oh crap. Do you guys remembering FF enter the thread? At first he was like doing a lot of stuff and I was quite suspect because in last game he was ultra lazy. THen suddenly he goes all "lolz fallout 4"? Voting He just realizes this now. Tell me again why Disfo is town Obvious bus is obvious The last of your posts you quoted here was like 2 mins b4 my vote and was one of the posts prompting me to look at FF's filter again? Sry for double checking posts myself and not blindly sheeping you... | ||
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And I am not sure what I have should done about this, Rels and me posted several good cases on DYH, but nobody seems to like them. I am not the type that will just yell at ppl until they do what I want or lynch me just to not have me crap up the thread. Maybe I should just adopt that strategy for my next game or the remainder of this one. | ||
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Also, hell yeah, should you feel strange about misslynching me. On the other hand you might just be trying to distance yourself from the misslynch early, in the case I flip green. + Show Spoiler + And I will flip green very hard | ||
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On December 14 2015 08:17 LightningStrike wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2015 08:10 disformation wrote: I hope the activity is a bit better tomorrow afternoon/evening. Looking at NM here. Also, hell yeah, should you feel strange about misslynching me. On the other hand you might just be trying to distance yourself from the misslynch early, in the case I flip green. + Show Spoiler + And I will flip green very hard If you flip green the entire game will become insane trust me. Well, I was already planning on thrusting y'all down a well and scream "Dis is town!disformation". | ||
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On December 14 2015 08:42 LightningStrike wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2015 08:22 disformation wrote: On December 14 2015 08:17 LightningStrike wrote: On December 14 2015 08:10 disformation wrote: I hope the activity is a bit better tomorrow afternoon/evening. Looking at NM here. Also, hell yeah, should you feel strange about misslynching me. On the other hand you might just be trying to distance yourself from the misslynch early, in the case I flip green. + Show Spoiler + And I will flip green very hard If you flip green the entire game will become insane trust me. Well, I was already planning on thrusting y'all down a well and scream "Dis is town!disformation". A well aye? Well to bad you need me to build one + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On December 14 2015 09:51 LightningStrike wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2015 09:04 disformation wrote: On December 14 2015 08:42 LightningStrike wrote: On December 14 2015 08:22 disformation wrote: On December 14 2015 08:17 LightningStrike wrote: On December 14 2015 08:10 disformation wrote: I hope the activity is a bit better tomorrow afternoon/evening. Looking at NM here. Also, hell yeah, should you feel strange about misslynching me. On the other hand you might just be trying to distance yourself from the misslynch early, in the case I flip green. + Show Spoiler + And I will flip green very hard If you flip green the entire game will become insane trust me. Well, I was already planning on thrusting y'all down a well and scream "Dis is town!disformation". A well aye? Well to bad you need me to build one + Show Spoiler + Well you win that But it was a illegal well though! Damn straight. Let me PM kita to add this victory to the TL Mafia database. Not sure what you mean with illegal though. I have recently brought into my possession all the land everywhere and therefore can plant wells where I please. You do not want to know what I have in mind for Wellington the former capital of New Zealand. | ||
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On December 14 2015 10:36 LightningStrike wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2015 10:36 LightningStrike wrote: On December 14 2015 10:26 disformation wrote: On December 14 2015 09:51 LightningStrike wrote: On December 14 2015 09:04 disformation wrote: On December 14 2015 08:42 LightningStrike wrote: On December 14 2015 08:22 disformation wrote: On December 14 2015 08:17 LightningStrike wrote: On December 14 2015 08:10 disformation wrote: I hope the activity is a bit better tomorrow afternoon/evening. Looking at NM here. Also, hell yeah, should you feel strange about misslynching me. On the other hand you might just be trying to distance yourself from the misslynch early, in the case I flip green. + Show Spoiler + And I will flip green very hard If you flip green the entire game will become insane trust me. Well, I was already planning on thrusting y'all down a well and scream "Dis is town!disformation". A well aye? Well to bad you need me to build one + Show Spoiler + Well you win that But it was a illegal well though! Damn straight. Let me PM kita to add this victory to the TL Mafia database. Not sure what you mean with illegal though. I have recently brought into my possession all the land everywhere and therefore can plant wells where I please. You do not want to know what I have in mind for Wellington the former capital of New Zealand. You didn't get permission to put a well there huehuehue Bah. No problem. + Show Spoiler + Legit as hell. | ||
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In case ppl are wondering: I will probably maybe try to post some useful stuff tomorrow afternoon. | ||
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What exactly did Trfel do to you? Do you need a puppet to show us where he touched you? And what happened int newbie 14? | ||
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On December 14 2015 11:02 NocturneMage wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2015 10:57 disformation wrote: Slightly confused here. What exactly did Trfel do to you? Do you need a puppet to show us where he touched you? And what happened int newbie 14? I'm referring to how Trfel wanted to push my lynch for fuck knows how long and then came to the realisation there was a reason that no one wanted to lynch me. and for whatever reason he wasn't sure himself of actually lynching me, and that there was some external factor (in this case FF wanting to have me lynched) that made him realise I was town. um weren't you in newbie 14? No good sir. I was in NSM 9,10,13 and 17. | ||
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On December 14 2015 22:15 NocturneMage wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2015 10:46 disformation wrote: Oh Hai NM. In case ppl are wondering: I will probably maybe try to post some useful stuff tomorrow afternoon. It's 1400 or so where you are......we are still waiting. phone post: won't have time until 18.00 or something | ||
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15:39 here. should be back at home in about 2 hours. | ||
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noose is a good pointer. i want to strangle my renter/landlord. my sleep schedule is super messed up and i end up sleeping for 10-13 hours quite often cause i cant get out of bed. | ||
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Day 1 Kushm4sta (7): Fidei86, Damdred, LS, Shining, Rels, HTS, Palm LightningStrike (4): disformation, kushm4sta, DoYouHas, Trfel Not Voting (2): MoosyDoosy, Onegu Day 2 Half the Sky (9): NocturneMage, DoYouHas, Fecalfeast, Rels, Trfel, Fidei86, Palmar, The Shining, LightningStrike DoYouHas (1): disformation NocturneMage (1): Half the Sky Day 3 Fecalfeast (3): Trfel, The Shining, disformation Trfel (3): NocturneMage, Fecalfeast, Rels LightningStrike (1): Fidei86 Fidei86 (1): LightningStrike Disinformation (1): DoYouHas Day 4 Rels (3): DoYouHas, NocturneMage, The Shining DoYouHas (2): disformation, LightningStrike NocturneMage (2): Fidei86, Rels Recap of vote reasoning: The Shining on kush: On December 03 2015 07:52 The Shining wrote: Yeah I don't really like the way kush and DYH got onto the LS wagon. And what disfo just said about everyone voting LS. It took off really quickly. Damdred hasn't come back either and LS is pretty much his wagon. Ugh. On December 03 2015 07:57 The Shining wrote: Fuck it. I'm down. Shenanny onto kush. Let's do it. LS voted kush for survival. NAI. DoYouHas on LS: On December 03 2015 07:36 DoYouHas wrote: Welp, if you don't have good scumreads, sheep the wagon of your townreads. ##Vote: LS I already explained my reasoning for my LS vote, find it somewhere in my filter. TS vote seems town, but can come from mafia if both wagons are town. LS NAI. Mentioned that I am not fond of DYH reason like 3 billion times by now. TS on HtS: On December 06 2015 05:36 The Shining wrote: Hi. I'm playing catch up. I clicked HtS filter though and the lack of follow-ups on anything since this wagon started feels like she's the right vote, along with NMs case and the point I put out against her. It's sensible she's just not trying to defend herself for fear of giving away her scumteam. Going to vote her then continue reading. I am not sure what point he put out against her. Can someone point that out to me? Because this might be an attempt to veil he is only voting her cause NM. LS on HtS: On December 06 2015 03:17 LightningStrike wrote: I just got home: Show nested quote + On December 06 2015 02:36 NocturneMage wrote: On December 06 2015 01:47 LightningStrike wrote: On December 06 2015 01:44 NocturneMage wrote: LS, if someone's end of cycle activity was questionable you absolutely should have questioned them on it. that is a pretty critical thing to start off on. ignoring hts or ANYONE on that criteria doesn't make you look good at all. She haven't really been around this Day Phase so ofc I can't. Plus I think she was gone shortly after too as I was too going somewhere so :\ If she doesn't respond, she doesn't respond. The fact is, you didn't question her at all. (if you did, where is the post?) I mean even Trfel said he had whatever questions for her and he laid them out. I was waiting for HTS to show up again honestly but I guess this will have to do for her when she feels better. HTS if you see this and can respond: What was going on in your mind during EoD because I know it was chaotic esp for me because I really thought I was going to get lynched there? After basically null reading her all day. Waits until very late to vote. NM on HtS: Comes in saying she is probably mafia. Talks to her like she might be either alignment. Comes back to vote her. Says he wants to write a case on HtS without using meta, never does. DYH on HtS: Has the first case on her N1. Only does vote her after NM does so. disformation on DYH: was discussed already. If you still have questions, ask while I am still around. The Shining on FF: solid progression here, nothing to complain about imo. NocturneMage on Trfel: solid progression here, nothing to complain about imo. DYH on me: On December 09 2015 07:55 DoYouHas wrote: Screw it, I'm going to trust my initial instinct. ##Vote: Disformation Shining, get on this wagon. "Hey look let me throw away my vote and ask ppl currently voting my scumpartner to switch to that!" LS on Fide86: Well, he posted his case on Fidei86. Still threw his vote away. disformation on FF: was already discussed. DoYouHas on Rels: On December 11 2015 13:57 DoYouHas wrote: Look at night kills: Damdred- Read as townie by majority of players, killed when he has few scumreads or pushes going. Palmar- Difficult lynch, killed before he starts really solving the game Trfel- Essentially confirmed town, no reads going into the day The common thread for every kill has been someone who would be difficult to lynch but could also come at the game with a new perspective. This implies that scum is less threatened by the current sentiment of the thread and more worried about an unknown element coming in and screwing things up. The person that fits this mentality the best atm is Rels. There is the added benefit that Trfel was also one of the most likely among us to suspect and push Rels. It is a bit WIFOM, but adding the fact that disfo hammered ff to the fact that Shining is still with us, my money is on Rels flipping scum over disfo. ##Vote: Rels "Hey I found some wifom on one of the guys trying to lynch me all game." NM on Rels: On December 12 2015 07:40 NocturneMage wrote: and trying to pick back up on Rels' filter as well. I'm honestly grappling here. There is nothing right now that is screaming mafia about DYH. I really feel the case being made against him is 50/50 at best. I tried lining all shit up, I tried isolating his case against hts, like I said time and again there's an equal possibility he could have pushed the Dani lynch on his own. there are certain elements of her play that could have allowed him to do this. my other hesistancy is that the points being made is that ff is the one making the points and dyh never got to him for all I could tell. like I thought and thought, I mean I could honestly see this go either way. ff can spout off whatever. scum have a general generic tendency to fall off but this, dyh just seems like someone who is damned busy to play. the only thing that jumps at me is voting disformation in the event that disformation is town but that's unflipped association. On December 12 2015 07:55 NocturneMage wrote: I'm going to go ahead and give final reads then if I'm getting lynched. I am thinking Shining is town. My gut is saying that DYH is town. I broke the guy's filter sideways. Rels' case against him is 50/50 at best. disformation is probably playing suboptimal as fuck but my caution on him is that I can't follow his train of thought easily. Rels is scaring me. I don't understand this overexplanation shit, and I'm starting to fear the push on what I think is a 50/50 case. And I am agreed with Fidei.....I fucking hate LS's play. If you sleep on him and if LS is mafia I am going to lose my fucking shit in the postgame. "That guy is totally 50/50. let us lynch him!" The Shining on Rels: On December 12 2015 06:16 The Shining wrote: Actually Rels tried to get people onto Trfel at :59 and voted him after FF got the lead. With a hasty rushed "Let's go Trfel" After saying let's lynch DYH, he showed up 30 mins before deadline. He also said Trfel, FF and I all did the same thing. But he chose Trfel to push. After being willing to sheep me on Disfo today but now he's back to sheeping Disfo on DYH. Says voting FF is a possibility but pure yolo. But dude voted Trfel. He also made a post before that one saying FF could be scum and if that's the case, likely partner is DYH. TMI? This was before FF was the lynch. But he voted Trfel over FF, while thinking FF could be scum. If FF could be scum, why did he vote Trfel? And why call it a yolo move if he thought he could be scum? Trfel also voted Rels before he went on FF. Trfel is dead now. And I think I'm seeing what Trfel saw in Rels filter. I'm pretty sure I'm voting Rels. Fair enough. So even if you don't believe DYH bussed HtS like this. Look at his other votes. | ||
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Remember FF <> DYH interactions? No? Have at thee: On December 10 2015 03:14 disformation wrote: So back to work: FF has a 5 page filter and the last page of that is kinda useless imo. Trying to look at his interactions and sfuff: A study of the social behaviour and interactions of a wild Fecalfeast Derived from this studies I hope to establish how a wild Fecalfeast goes about in selecting his mating partners, by observing behaviour patterns. Upon arriving at the scene FF can be seen to be very engaging and conversing with Trfel, LightningStrike and Damdred. He seems especially interested in Trfel's filter and starts to dig around in that, with his sharp claws (i hope sharp claws are metal enough). Note that he randomly soft defends me on some very minor point here: Show nested quote + On December 03 2015 09:16 Fecalfeast wrote: On December 01 2015 16:42 Trfel wrote: On December 01 2015 08:49 disformation wrote: Wait a second, disformation...On December 01 2015 08:44 Trfel wrote: Hm, LightningStrike hasn't posted at all yet. Very suspicious, I would have expected him to be really excited for this game since he hasn't played in a while. Disformation, why are you only bringing up Damdred's post now, and not right when he posted it? Tired as hell. When I first read it I was like kinda amused by the hero thing, triggering my immediate reaction (the first post). Then I read it again and thought that it was a kinda unusual thing for Damdred to post and remembered that I was criticized for a very similar thing (over constructed first post shortly after the start of the game) in my first game here. So I asked him the same question I was asked. The advise itself is probably valid though. You've only rolled town on TL, correct? So if you were town and someone questioned you for a "constructed" post, then why would you ask someone else about this? What did you hope to get out of your question? Based on Damdred's answers, do you have a conclusion now? Not a bad point on disform at face value but if disform wasn't sure of his play before and has since learned that constructed posts are scummy, what's the problem calling out something he has learned to be generally scummy? But does he do so because he already is my partner, wishes to buddy me or simply wants something minor to talk about? Evidence not conclusive at this point. Notice how he approaches Trfel, when Trfel seems to be kinda frustrated and "out of it". Like our Fecalfeast here is trying to say "Everything is alright, I'm going to read your posts and we are going to be best buddies forever!". After throwing out some suspicions in the direction of NM he then starts with his fallout comments and attempts to withdraw himself from the rest of the pack. After that he shifts his suspicions towards Fidei86 and Trfel, away from NM. Does push a bit on Fidei, but only very softly. Finally mentions DYH: Show nested quote + On December 05 2015 10:06 Fecalfeast wrote: On December 04 2015 10:51 disformation wrote: Too make my argument a bit more readable:
Wat? I have pointed this problem out, Rels has pointed this out, but nothing happens. can you flesh out why you think this progression is scummy any further? I'm looking at this filter and while it's a little short on portion size it's looking pretty well explained. Not to mention the fact that if HTS flips red here the fact remains that he brought her up as a potential target before NM + Show Spoiler + On December 03 2015 11:08 NocturneMage wrote: hts is a sleazeball as mafia, I love her to death, but I'll pretty much know immediately if she's mafia because I obviously know her in real life and if she's out of bounds with her personality, she is almost certainly mafia. obviously if I think she's mafia, I will case her in a way that doesn't require you to know her in real life. unless her dota friends want to argue they have some feels on her from external behaviour. rels, fidei? I'm looking at you two. although seeing doyouhas' post, if hts got someone lynched who was scumreading her, that is a major red flag in my book. that is routine mafia play for her. dani as mafia will absolutely push the lynches of the people who want her dead. so dyh, what was her role in the lynch? Show nested quote + On December 05 2015 10:55 Fecalfeast wrote: On December 05 2015 10:29 Trfel wrote: On December 05 2015 10:06 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm clearly not playing this game right because I actually really, really like what disformation says here. But I didn't care that much when he first said it On December 04 2015 10:51 disformation wrote: Too make my argument a bit more readable:
Wat? I have pointed this problem out, Rels has pointed this out, but nothing happens. can you flesh out why you think this progression is scummy any further? I'm looking at this filter and while it's a little short on portion size it's looking pretty well explained. Not to mention the fact that if HTS flips red here the fact remains that he brought her up as a potential target before NM + Show Spoiler + On December 03 2015 11:08 NocturneMage wrote: hts is a sleazeball as mafia, I love her to death, but I'll pretty much know immediately if she's mafia because I obviously know her in real life and if she's out of bounds with her personality, she is almost certainly mafia. obviously if I think she's mafia, I will case her in a way that doesn't require you to know her in real life. unless her dota friends want to argue they have some feels on her from external behaviour. rels, fidei? I'm looking at you two. although seeing doyouhas' post, if hts got someone lynched who was scumreading her, that is a major red flag in my book. that is routine mafia play for her. dani as mafia will absolutely push the lynches of the people who want her dead. so dyh, what was her role in the lynch? Basically, DoYouHas (in the middle of Day 1 ish) stated that he was going to take a look at the people in the "middle" (because he felt that the most active/vocal people were town). Fair enough. He looked at Fidei86, Half the Sky, LightningStrike, and disformation, and didn't get anything out of it. I'm not sure if this means he didn't get any scumreads out of this or if he didn't get any reads at all from this, if I can catch DoYouHas sometime I'd like to ask this. From this, two things happened. First, he came up with a townread on disformation (because he was sheeping the wagon of his townreads, and mentioned disformation). Second, he got a scumread and case on Half the Sky Night 1, despite not getting much scummy (presumably) from her filter earlier. Hm, I guess this makes sense. Maybe I need to look more closely but let's assume there's no shenanigans tomorrow and HTS flips red. What does that make you think of DYH? But shifts away from DYH fast back onto NM: Show nested quote + On December 05 2015 11:07 Fecalfeast wrote: On December 05 2015 11:01 Trfel wrote: On December 05 2015 10:55 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm fairly suspicious of DoYouHas. I'm not really sure what implications a Half the Sky scum flip would have on DoYouHas.On December 05 2015 10:29 Trfel wrote: On December 05 2015 10:06 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm clearly not playing this game right because I actually really, really like what disformation says here. But I didn't care that much when he first said it On December 04 2015 10:51 disformation wrote: Too make my argument a bit more readable:
Wat? I have pointed this problem out, Rels has pointed this out, but nothing happens. can you flesh out why you think this progression is scummy any further? I'm looking at this filter and while it's a little short on portion size it's looking pretty well explained. Not to mention the fact that if HTS flips red here the fact remains that he brought her up as a potential target before NM + Show Spoiler + On December 03 2015 11:08 NocturneMage wrote: hts is a sleazeball as mafia, I love her to death, but I'll pretty much know immediately if she's mafia because I obviously know her in real life and if she's out of bounds with her personality, she is almost certainly mafia. obviously if I think she's mafia, I will case her in a way that doesn't require you to know her in real life. unless her dota friends want to argue they have some feels on her from external behaviour. rels, fidei? I'm looking at you two. although seeing doyouhas' post, if hts got someone lynched who was scumreading her, that is a major red flag in my book. that is routine mafia play for her. dani as mafia will absolutely push the lynches of the people who want her dead. so dyh, what was her role in the lynch? Basically, DoYouHas (in the middle of Day 1 ish) stated that he was going to take a look at the people in the "middle" (because he felt that the most active/vocal people were town). Fair enough. He looked at Fidei86, Half the Sky, LightningStrike, and disformation, and didn't get anything out of it. I'm not sure if this means he didn't get any scumreads out of this or if he didn't get any reads at all from this, if I can catch DoYouHas sometime I'd like to ask this. From this, two things happened. First, he came up with a townread on disformation (because he was sheeping the wagon of his townreads, and mentioned disformation). Second, he got a scumread and case on Half the Sky Night 1, despite not getting much scummy (presumably) from her filter earlier. Hm, I guess this makes sense. Maybe I need to look more closely but let's assume there's no shenanigans tomorrow and HTS flips red. What does that make you think of DYH? Do you have any thoughts about NocturneMage or anyone else that you want to talk about? DYH brought up HTS as possibler scum before NM and NM referenced DYH in his post calling HTS scummy. I think NM's entrance set a bit of a scummy tone initially but his recent postings have been pointed and he seems to be following a logical thought progression. He's obviously very confident in his HTS read which is why I'm sheeped all over that. I think NM is towny though I'm pretty allergic to deep reading right now. also he has 5 pages after replacing in night 1, is NM known to be a high effort scum? Later he sheeps NM... (wasn't that a scum lean just now? Show nested quote + On December 08 2015 12:29 Fecalfeast wrote: shamelessly sheeping NM while i get my new SSD all up and running ##vote trfel consider me a gullible extra vote bot for now i guess So unlikely partners: Trfel - very waffly about that one. NM - feels more like he was trying to find reasons to scum read him... until suddenly sheeping him. The Shining - agrees with a list post of The Shining and laters gives him an easy town read. So possible partners: Me - Overall awkward interactions and that one strange thing where he soft defended me. Rels - Basically only two very very short mentions of him in his filter and no interactions. DYH - Only talks about him when pressed multiple times, seems to consider him for a moment, then deflects off onto NM. No interactions. On December 10 2015 03:31 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On December 10 2015 03:26 NocturneMage wrote: disformation, can you analyse the interactions from both sides? You suspect Rels and DYH, so now do it from those two players sides. Sure thing. Will be doing FF really quick. All of DYH's mentions/interactions with FF in the following spoiler. As a bonus I threw all mentions/interactions with Onegu in it, too. So this is another huge one! open with care! + Show Spoiler + On December 04 2015 09:13 DoYouHas wrote: Show nested quote + On December 04 2015 09:07 Trfel wrote: On December 04 2015 09:03 NocturneMage wrote: Because they're really darn accurate. Night kill analysis is amazing.I also don't like Trfels turning around on this either. What the hell are we using WIFOM arguments for? @Fecalfeast, why else would Damdred be killed? The NocturneMage read seems to be by far the most likely. And that wasn't the only reason that I mentioned that the night kill makes me want to lynch NocturneMage less. It could be as simple as Damdred is a solid town player, and was read as town by the majority of the players. He clearly had influence as evidenced by the LS wagon. That is enough to make him a good kill. His reads are worth more now that we know for sure he was town, and should be considered carefully, but there is plenty to make him a good nightkill beyond his reads. (Sorry, I know you wanted FF to answer) On December 06 2015 07:04 DoYouHas wrote: My PoE right now looks like this: Town: Rels, Shining, LS(I am still on board with the EoD VT claim) Townlean: Disfo, Palmar, Fid (need to look into him more) Unfiltered: NM, FF Suspicious but incomplete: Trfel Scum: HTS "FF? Who? Nah, didn't even look at him." | ||
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On December 15 2015 03:42 disformation wrote: Like of course would DYH want Rels gone. Rels and I are the only ones pushing him and I am just not good enough to get him lynched alone. -.- And wtf is it with him randomly voting me and trying to get the shining off FF the day before? | ||
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On December 15 2015 03:48 NocturneMage wrote: like you are just summarising. What about that segment makes DYH scummy. And the day 3 votes. What is DYH's motive to vote off the main wagons and why does it make him more scummy than you who needed the cred? was there a disconnect with his reads? Like you really are not explaining well. His read on me do 180° flips all the game. Like have you read Rels/mine cases on him even once? | ||
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On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote: Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped. Gnight folks @LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels. On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote: What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is. On December 06 2015 07:04 DoYouHas wrote: My PoE right now looks like this: Town: Rels, Shining, LS(I am still on board with the EoD VT claim) Townlean: Disfo, Palmar, Fid (need to look into him more) Unfiltered: NM, FF Suspicious but incomplete: Trfel Scum: HTS On December 07 2015 08:00 DoYouHas wrote: Looking at HtS's filter I have a couple of thoughts. 1. I am very wrong about Trfel, he is town. 2. Disfo may not be the townie that I thought he was. There are a few things that look off to me between him and HtS. 3. The NM bus theory of Trfel may not be far-fetched. HtS was soft defending moosy. Will elaborate assuming I live. Pretty good bet. On December 07 2015 09:20 DoYouHas wrote: So this analysis is very similar to votecount, but it is based off of lists that a scum player makes. Every scum player I have ever played with will include at least 1 scum-mate on lists that they make. Here is HtS's first list: + Show Spoiler + On December 01 2015 09:31 Half the Sky wrote: Hey everyone. A few thoughts on my end before I head to bed - Nulls on Rels/Damdred regarding setup discussion/speculation as I feel those are types of posts that can be made as either alignment (and such Rels' scumreads on Do and Damdred could also fall under the same category) by players who know general gameplay well enough. Trfel's comments on LS I have a mixed reaction on. I don't like the following phrasing and here's why: Show nested quote + Second, why would does this make me mafia in any way? Like, why does the fact that LightningStrike posted that he wouldn't be here at the start of the game have any bearing on my alignment? When I read this, I read it as trying to absolve responsibility from self regardless of actual intention (baiting in this case) - it's not what LS posted that is the problem, it's what you (Trfel) did about it. That reaction makes me think whether you are trying to cover something up. Moosy is something I am going to need more time reading given his general playstyle. No read on him so far obviously. disformation hasn't made any reads yets with the Trfel/Damdred interaction going on, and I think that might have been about when he left the thread. Answered Trfel's question, but from recalling the last student game, he did take more stances in that game. So far probable scumleans on Trfel/disformation. Fidei was someone who falls off hard as mafia, first post based on his SOTW 2 performance (mafia) is going to weigh in at NAI. The ONLY thing that jumps out at me from Fidei's post is why he commented on Rels being towny but Damdred not being so even though both talked about the setup, and Damdred seems to make more of a point in trying to get town to coalesence. Moving to Palmar/Shining... 1. Damdred, Rels, Moosy, Trfel, Disfo HtS's second, third, & lynch list: + Show Spoiler + On December 02 2015 04:27 Half the Sky wrote: I need to put my head down again since I'm still feeling pretty sick. Going to go through again Trfel/Damdred/Fidei/disformation etc. on a full re-read. I'm also having issues with town reads. Right now, I need to flesh out Trfel a little more, same for disformation and LS. The lynch list right now is kush/DYH, Onegu is straight policy, but there's got to be an active mafia somewhere. Palmar is probably town but this is a gut feel based on how he proceeded with the case. 2. Trfel, Damdred, Fid, Disfo 3. Trfel, Disfo, LS Lynch: DYH, Kush, Onegu(pure policy) HtS's fourth list: + Show Spoiler + On December 03 2015 04:48 Half the Sky wrote: I'm here. I am still really sick (and thanks for the well wishes all, I hope I will improve) but I'm going to try my best here to answer all the questions possible. Show nested quote + On December 03 2015 03:13 Trfel wrote: On December 03 2015 03:06 LightningStrike wrote: Yeah....On December 03 2015 03:04 Trfel wrote: On December 03 2015 03:01 LightningStrike wrote: And where did you get that conclusion from?On December 03 2015 02:58 Trfel wrote: On December 02 2015 23:07 Half the Sky wrote: First of all, really sorry that you aren't feeling well. Hope you can recover soon.Alright, I just woke up, and I am not feeling any better. I'm headed to a doctor's appointment in an hour, but I am hoping to get back in thread barring anything serious. I fully realise I have a shittonne to catch up on - if anyone has any questions for me, or anything specific they want me to weigh on, please prompt me and I'll do so when I return. Why did you vote for DoYouHas instead of kushm4sta? Why didn't you include LightningStrike in the lynch list? Now that he's (at least mostly, I think?) answered your questions, what do you think about him? Why did your read on me (Trfel) change? read her filter if you want to see her progression on me + Show Spoiler + She thinks I town. On December 02 2015 04:38 Half the Sky wrote: On December 02 2015 04:24 LightningStrike wrote: Okay I here now and Tfrel I did answer HTS just not directly quoted. On December 02 2015 04:15 Half the Sky wrote: Looking at 346/349 - LS, I'm not referring to meta. Let's make sure I'm not misunderstanding you here. I'm not talking about Palmar's tone in general. I'm talking about his case. If you read the context differently, then tell me how you interpreted that. You are saying that he's town because his tone is serious and from 349 it's based on meta. Okay fine, but regardless of meta, why would Palmar's case NOT be serious? What I'm trying to say here is that you are townreading him for a poor reason. I didn't say it wasn't serious? Anyways the way he argued Shining like I said had a serious tone plus like said he did a very similar thing to me in Metal Mini when I was fighting him and felt frustrated with him. It took me a bit of arguing to get him to townread me in that game because I was still a newbie lol.... So it a little both but more towards personal experience with him. Argh, no. I am saying that you said his tone is serious. In any case, you want to say you are giving a personal read towards him. Alright, I still think this is a bad read because like I said before Palmar really can't be done off one read, but now that I've fleshed it out I don't think you are mafia for this. Still need to read the rest of your filter in conjunction with Trfel/Damdred when I return though. "I don't think you are mafia for this" means that Half the Sky is not scum reading you for one specific thing in your filter. As in, she could be scum reading you for the entire rest of your filter. And that's not a townread on that one thing either. Does anyone know if LightningStrike is generally this self-conscious as town with regards to other people's townreads on him? To make a big jump like this and try to assume everything is a townread? Because this is making me doubt my earlier town lean on him. The above is correct. This also partially helps answer Trfel's question to me - LS was not in my lynch list (and relative to the rest of the thread) because D1, similar to SOTW, if there's something that is not clicking I have to flesh his reads out. He was a scumlean based on the stuff he said, I hashed out to make sure I was understanding LS, and it was back to null pending the interactions with other people in the thread. There was a part where he mentioned Trfel casing Damdred (and I still have to go back and look at that, Christ) which would give some indication as to Trfel/Damdred/LS alignments to some extent. Obviously need to catch up on the rest of his filter. Not lynching him until I read and feel otherwise. Trfel, I mentioned a post where I scumleaned you initially for the comment you made on LS. I made an explanation as to why, it was something along the lines of tone and not wanting to take responsibility. There was something else that you mentioned, you answered it, but if you answered that first concern, show me the post where you did. There's a very good chance I missed it. Again, I failed to analyse you v Damdred. DYH over kush - It was part read on Trfel and part lack of followup on Trfel at that time when he commented on Shining/Palmar, which I felt could have come from either alignment. Also I wanted to press him for more reads, and I recall I did that somewhere. Obviously need to check his filter again and see what he's done since. I know I did not scumread him on activity especially since it's my first game with him and I don't know offhand if he's a lurky player. In any instance, I put both in a lynch list and I gave my reasons for not liking kush. Also I think it was you Trfel, whoever it was said that scum doesn't know the setup. This is not true. Look at the day one post. There is a list of 4 setups so that is part of where my statement came from. Additional comments/followups from what I saw from skimming the thread: Rels - posting game details has to be done regardless of whatever else games I'm playing. It either needed to be done when signups went up or very soon after. I was queued in, it had to get done. Take that as you will. Disformation - looking at your response to my last question right now, also did you have a question for me? You said a few times you were looking through my filter. Trfel - did you answer my questions regarding distinguishing activity between DYH and kush? (post 391, again if I missed it point it out) If you looked into Rels based on your last response to me, what did you think of him? (same deal if I missed it) Should hopefully be able to move forward after this. Let me see who is up for lynch and weigh in... 4. Trfel, DYH, Kush, Rels, Disfo - Ok. So she is putting Trfel and Disfo in pretty much all of her lists. By my above heuristic this makes one or both of them more likely to be mafia. However, take a look at her interactions with the people on her lists in her filter and see if any of them feel out of place compared to the others. Compared to her interactions with Trfel, Rels, Damdred and her suspicion of me and Kush, her interaction with Disfo is very bland, flat. She starts with vague scumlean but the rest of her interaction reads more like she is inviting him to interact with her for the sake of interacting. - I think the cross between these two methods is a pretty good reason to scumread Disfo. Please look into it yourselves. ##Vote: Disformation On December 08 2015 14:17 DoYouHas wrote: Soooooo, my reason for townreading Trfel apparently is bad. It is association based on his interactions with HtS. I've been looking at his last scum game. If I was playing, I would never have picked up on anything odd between him and Breshke. So confused... This weakens my argument against Disfo as well, even if my initial assumption was true. ##Unvote My to-do before the deadline is to reread the cases on Trfel and Fid, read Fid's filter and decide the more likely scum. On December 09 2015 07:55 DoYouHas wrote: Screw it, I'm going to trust my initial instinct. ##Vote: Disformation Shining, get on this wagon. On December 10 2015 13:18 DoYouHas wrote: It has been a long ass day. I'm going to come back and actually read this tomorrow with non-exhausted eyes. ##Vote: Disfo See you all tomorrow. (after that he voted Rels over me...) | ||
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On December 15 2015 03:58 NocturneMage wrote: Rels case for the 1000th time was 50/50 case at best. I had been telling Rels that all game. It wasn't a scummy case (now we know obviously) but I isolated independent reasoning for his case on Dani and you cannot positively exclude the possibility that he could have come up with the case on HTS from town. You also cannot say its probable for him to bus the roleblocker over what you did (vanilla for equiv) and lining that up with the stances you took on Dani that's where the problem comes in. Even if you take out the busser theory things, the case should have enough good points to make you see that he is scum. | ||
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On December 15 2015 03:58 NocturneMage wrote: Rels case for the 1000th time was 50/50 case at best. I had been telling Rels that all game. It wasn't a scummy case (now we know obviously) but I isolated independent reasoning for his case on Dani and you cannot positively exclude the possibility that he could have come up with the case on HTS from town. You also cannot say its probable for him to bus the roleblocker over what you did (vanilla for equiv) and lining that up with the stances you took on Dani that's where the problem comes in. On December 12 2015 01:04 Rels wrote: Hey guys I found this thing lying around in BH's bedroom! Apparently it's some kind of guide to win this game! Awesome right ? Let me transcript it for you: I hope he doesn't remark I took it ... Townie guide to winning this game Step 1: Required reading disfo's case on DYH FF's interactions with DYH are partner indicative DYH's scumread of disfo has no basis: he voted him on an "initial insctinct" which doesn't exist Part 2 of the thing above Step 2: Vote DYH Step 3: Lynch DYH Step 4: Win Only part 2 of my case on DYH is the HtS bus thing. All the other things point to him as being scum for other reason. My conclusion: You didn't even read it. | ||
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On December 15 2015 04:10 The Shining wrote: Show nested quote + On December 15 2015 03:37 disformation wrote: Day 1 Kushm4sta (7): Fidei86, Damdred, LS, Shining, Rels, HTS, Palm LightningStrike (4): disformation, kushm4sta, DoYouHas, Trfel Not Voting (2): MoosyDoosy, Onegu Day 2 Half the Sky (9): NocturneMage, DoYouHas, Fecalfeast, Rels, Trfel, Fidei86, Palmar, The Shining, LightningStrike DoYouHas (1): disformation NocturneMage (1): Half the Sky Day 3 Fecalfeast (3): Trfel, The Shining, disformation Trfel (3): NocturneMage, Fecalfeast, Rels LightningStrike (1): Fidei86 Fidei86 (1): LightningStrike Disinformation (1): DoYouHas Day 4 Rels (3): DoYouHas, NocturneMage, The Shining DoYouHas (2): disformation, LightningStrike NocturneMage (2): Fidei86, Rels Recap of vote reasoning: The Shining on kush: On December 03 2015 07:52 The Shining wrote: Yeah I don't really like the way kush and DYH got onto the LS wagon. And what disfo just said about everyone voting LS. It took off really quickly. Damdred hasn't come back either and LS is pretty much his wagon. Ugh. On December 03 2015 07:57 The Shining wrote: Fuck it. I'm down. Shenanny onto kush. Let's do it. LS voted kush for survival. NAI. DoYouHas on LS: On December 03 2015 07:36 DoYouHas wrote: Welp, if you don't have good scumreads, sheep the wagon of your townreads. ##Vote: LS I already explained my reasoning for my LS vote, find it somewhere in my filter. TS vote seems town, but can come from mafia if both wagons are town. LS NAI. Mentioned that I am not fond of DYH reason like 3 billion times by now. TS on HtS: On December 06 2015 05:36 The Shining wrote: Hi. I'm playing catch up. I clicked HtS filter though and the lack of follow-ups on anything since this wagon started feels like she's the right vote, along with NMs case and the point I put out against her. It's sensible she's just not trying to defend herself for fear of giving away her scumteam. Going to vote her then continue reading. I am not sure what point he put out against her. Can someone point that out to me? Because this might be an attempt to veil he is only voting her cause NM. LS on HtS: On December 06 2015 03:17 LightningStrike wrote: I just got home: On December 06 2015 02:36 NocturneMage wrote: On December 06 2015 01:47 LightningStrike wrote: On December 06 2015 01:44 NocturneMage wrote: LS, if someone's end of cycle activity was questionable you absolutely should have questioned them on it. that is a pretty critical thing to start off on. ignoring hts or ANYONE on that criteria doesn't make you look good at all. She haven't really been around this Day Phase so ofc I can't. Plus I think she was gone shortly after too as I was too going somewhere so :\ If she doesn't respond, she doesn't respond. The fact is, you didn't question her at all. (if you did, where is the post?) I mean even Trfel said he had whatever questions for her and he laid them out. I was waiting for HTS to show up again honestly but I guess this will have to do for her when she feels better. HTS if you see this and can respond: What was going on in your mind during EoD because I know it was chaotic esp for me because I really thought I was going to get lynched there? After basically null reading her all day. Waits until very late to vote. NM on HtS: Comes in saying she is probably mafia. Talks to her like she might be either alignment. Comes back to vote her. Says he wants to write a case on HtS without using meta, never does. DYH on HtS: Has the first case on her N1. Only does vote her after NM does so. disformation on DYH: was discussed already. If you still have questions, ask while I am still around. The Shining on FF: solid progression here, nothing to complain about imo. NocturneMage on Trfel: solid progression here, nothing to complain about imo. DYH on me: On December 09 2015 07:55 DoYouHas wrote: Screw it, I'm going to trust my initial instinct. ##Vote: Disformation Shining, get on this wagon. "Hey look let me throw away my vote and ask ppl currently voting my scumpartner to switch to that!" LS on Fide86: Well, he posted his case on Fidei86. Still threw his vote away. disformation on FF: was already discussed. DoYouHas on Rels: On December 11 2015 13:57 DoYouHas wrote: Look at night kills: Damdred- Read as townie by majority of players, killed when he has few scumreads or pushes going. Palmar- Difficult lynch, killed before he starts really solving the game Trfel- Essentially confirmed town, no reads going into the day The common thread for every kill has been someone who would be difficult to lynch but could also come at the game with a new perspective. This implies that scum is less threatened by the current sentiment of the thread and more worried about an unknown element coming in and screwing things up. The person that fits this mentality the best atm is Rels. There is the added benefit that Trfel was also one of the most likely among us to suspect and push Rels. It is a bit WIFOM, but adding the fact that disfo hammered ff to the fact that Shining is still with us, my money is on Rels flipping scum over disfo. ##Vote: Rels "Hey I found some wifom on one of the guys trying to lynch me all game." NM on Rels: On December 12 2015 07:40 NocturneMage wrote: and trying to pick back up on Rels' filter as well. I'm honestly grappling here. There is nothing right now that is screaming mafia about DYH. I really feel the case being made against him is 50/50 at best. I tried lining all shit up, I tried isolating his case against hts, like I said time and again there's an equal possibility he could have pushed the Dani lynch on his own. there are certain elements of her play that could have allowed him to do this. my other hesistancy is that the points being made is that ff is the one making the points and dyh never got to him for all I could tell. like I thought and thought, I mean I could honestly see this go either way. ff can spout off whatever. scum have a general generic tendency to fall off but this, dyh just seems like someone who is damned busy to play. the only thing that jumps at me is voting disformation in the event that disformation is town but that's unflipped association. On December 12 2015 07:55 NocturneMage wrote: I'm going to go ahead and give final reads then if I'm getting lynched. I am thinking Shining is town. My gut is saying that DYH is town. I broke the guy's filter sideways. Rels' case against him is 50/50 at best. disformation is probably playing suboptimal as fuck but my caution on him is that I can't follow his train of thought easily. Rels is scaring me. I don't understand this overexplanation shit, and I'm starting to fear the push on what I think is a 50/50 case. And I am agreed with Fidei.....I fucking hate LS's play. If you sleep on him and if LS is mafia I am going to lose my fucking shit in the postgame. "That guy is totally 50/50. let us lynch him!" The Shining on Rels: On December 12 2015 06:16 The Shining wrote: Actually Rels tried to get people onto Trfel at :59 and voted him after FF got the lead. With a hasty rushed "Let's go Trfel" After saying let's lynch DYH, he showed up 30 mins before deadline. He also said Trfel, FF and I all did the same thing. But he chose Trfel to push. After being willing to sheep me on Disfo today but now he's back to sheeping Disfo on DYH. Says voting FF is a possibility but pure yolo. But dude voted Trfel. He also made a post before that one saying FF could be scum and if that's the case, likely partner is DYH. TMI? This was before FF was the lynch. But he voted Trfel over FF, while thinking FF could be scum. If FF could be scum, why did he vote Trfel? And why call it a yolo move if he thought he could be scum? Trfel also voted Rels before he went on FF. Trfel is dead now. And I think I'm seeing what Trfel saw in Rels filter. I'm pretty sure I'm voting Rels. Fair enough. So even if you don't believe DYH bussed HtS like this. Look at his other votes. lol I love how sometimes you talk to me like I'm confirmed town and try to convince me you're town and other times, you make posts like these trying to find mafia motivation behind everything I do. The point I put out regarding HtS, since you asked, was her weird way of shifting the Kush lynch blame onto me. "Shining, done." Like she knew it was going to be a mislynch and wanted to shift blame on me if she was under suspicion for it. 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On December 12 2015 01:04 Rels wrote: Hey guys I found this thing lying around in BH's bedroom! Apparently it's some kind of guide to win this game! Awesome right ? Let me transcript it for you: I hope he doesn't remark I took it ... Townie guide to winning this game Step 1: Required reading disfo's case on DYH FF's interactions with DYH are partner indicative DYH's scumread of disfo has no basis: he voted him on an "initial insctinct" which doesn't exist Part 2 of the thing above Step 2: Vote DYH Step 3: Lynch DYH Step 4: Win Also looking forward to this post game: On December 12 2015 05:27 The Shining wrote: I'm gonna have to apologize to Disfo post game, huh? I want to reread again but I'm pretty caught up. It doesn't escape me that Rels started really trying this phase after he got scummed. Trfel also entertained the idea of Rels scum during the night phase. Possible NK reasoning. I'm trying to get out of my tunnel. FF was lynched off of a 3v3 vote. He just got to 3 first. Trfel conftown, I'm town, I have to accept that Disfo is the town hammer. Looking at the votes, I'm pretty sure DYH and LS are conftown, too. With the lynch 3v3, either one could have voted Trfel and got him lynched over Fecal. And DYH voted Disfo very close to deadline, which means he was here and couldve seen that. I don't think I want to lynch DYH today. Or disfo. I'm more on the train of thought now that I'm just wrong this phase. 3v3 is very close. One of Rels/NM is scum. And I had super early suspicions of Rels that I let go. For someone who has a 15 page filter, I've forgotten he's in this game a bunch of times. I've also played scum with him once before. The activity as scum isn't beyond his scum game. And the post that Rels didn't like from DYH is actually one I really liked. Not conceding and the points on NKs and someone not being threatened by current thread sentiment. Apparently I'm the hammer vote behind these lynches. I've still got 2+ hours so I'll read and figure out which is scum. | ||
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On December 15 2015 07:18 DoYouHas wrote: I hate this part. When the lynch is pretty well locked in, you are happy with it, and you have nothing to do but sit here and second guess everything. well, there are all sorts of funny things one can do in such situations. Such as ever so slightly distance oneself from the lynch one knows to be town. | ||
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On December 15 2015 07:33 NocturneMage wrote: Are you pulling a Fecalfeast? Huh? Lemme check his filter again. | ||
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On December 15 2015 07:34 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On December 15 2015 07:33 NocturneMage wrote: On December 15 2015 07:32 disformation wrote: Nah. I'll flip green. Are you pulling a Fecalfeast? Huh? Lemme check his filter again. You mean this thing: On December 09 2015 07:59 Fecalfeast wrote: GG boys I was VT What of it? | ||
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On December 15 2015 07:36 NocturneMage wrote: Are you mafia claiming town? No I am a planar dragon claiming to be a planar dragon, as I was trying to breadcrumb here: On December 05 2015 10:14 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + I guess disformation is probably town, but he could be mafia. However, I'm assuming that he is town. okay? Can I be a planar dragon, too? I've always wanted to be a planar dragon! Well, that post will take a while to properly read and write an answer to. Will take a shower, get myself something to drink and try to write something up before I fall asleep (it is already 2 am here). | ||
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Like on one hand I know this was my first scum game ever. + I had no coach. Onegu got sick. HtS got sick and her husband got replaced into the game. So I know this wasn't the ideal situation and a hard game to roll first time scum. But on the other hand I feel like most of town did so many mistakes I could have had this, if I didn't screw up even harder. And I feel like I made billions of mistakes, so I am a bit frustrated. The Shining was ultra super fucking on blast though. No clue how to handle a case on me when it is like 90-100% accurate. Also not gonna alt+f4 and unistall. Imma take a break and cohost the next nsm. Which just opened. So if you want to play in that, feel free to sign up. | ||
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On December 15 2015 08:08 NocturneMage wrote: I am reading the mafia QT. Holy shit, I knew it. Dani corrupting disformation to drink with every mislynch. Hosts, can we seriously stop sending HTS mafia role PMs? I swear she's going to get this entire community drunk. I have been drinking like all the time the past week since this game was way too stressful for me. Not much to do with HtS. Well maybe she gave me the idea. xD | ||
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In hindsight I should have shot TS N2 instead of Palmar, if I knew he would be so on point later. Will shoot TS early next time. | ||
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On December 15 2015 08:13 NocturneMage wrote: Show nested quote + On December 15 2015 08:08 disformation wrote: Eh yeah sry guys. Like on one hand I know this was my first scum game ever. + I had no coach. Onegu got sick. HtS got sick and her husband got replaced into the game. So I know this wasn't the ideal situation and a hard game to roll first time scum. But on the other hand I feel like most of town did so many mistakes I could have had this, if I didn't screw up even harder. And I feel like I made billions of mistakes, so I am a bit frustrated. The Shining was ultra super fucking on blast though. No clue how to handle a case on me when it is like 90-100% accurate. Also not gonna alt+f4 and unistall. Imma take a break and cohost the next nsm. Which just opened. So if you want to play in that, feel free to sign up. LOL? Dani coached you a shittonne from what I'm reading. Even phoneposting from her bed. Clearly she wanted you in the game even as she was unable to continue herself. Evil, evil HTS....but I also know she really values team play so obviously she's going to do something like that for you... Honestly you did better than I did my first scum game. Don't sweat it. I'm told it takes several games to master the scum game. Just look at what went right and what went wrong. You are also up against people with 4-5x the experience you have. Yeah, HtS tried to do as much as she could. But I would have loved to have someone giving me hints on how to deal with TS later on, or how to proceed the last like two cycles, because I was getting lost in filters and started to fall off and stuff. | ||
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Like I feel I am trying to cover my lack of skill in some areas with time/effort. And the last two games took a huge chunk out of my time. | ||
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I had HtS as a town coach in my second game here and that QT hat over 800 posts. | ||
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On December 15 2015 08:19 DoYouHas wrote: Show nested quote + On December 15 2015 08:18 disformation wrote: Also I need to figure out a way to play this game a bit more efficiently. Like I feel I am trying to cover my lack of skill in some areas with time/effort. And the last two games took a huge chunk out of my time. Remarkably, I felt this way too. I just felt like most of the time I didn't have anything relevant/important to say. To be honest: I am a bit biased towards low volume posters, because often times it can get hard to follow their read progression or train of thoughts. You know the things I tried pushing you for. But the reads you came out of nowhere with where pretty damn good. Like the one on HtS and a few of the things on me where pretty good. | ||
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On December 15 2015 08:19 NocturneMage wrote: Yeah on the topic of postcount, there's no way I should ever have a 20 page filter especially replacing in. I definitely need to cut back on posting. Damn. Yeah I felt like I had to try and keep up with you guys, especially after having a pretty long filter in my last town game. | ||
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And the "a bit" to obvious move onto FF. The thing with HtS is, that I think town!disfo would be very hesitant to vote HtS as well, so I was bit torn there. With FF I missed the first two opportunities to bus him, cause he wasn't there and I didn't want to bus him without permission. xD Also later on had trouble deciding whether I want to stay on DYH, cause I couldnt find more to scum read him, or just keep tunneling, which is super unusual for town!disformation. but I couldnt get a reasonable scum read on NM. maybe should have tried LS. Sooo many things that were not optimal this game. xD | ||
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On December 15 2015 08:26 The Shining wrote: Mannnn. I just read the scum QT. Disfo, I still love ya, mate. Idk why but I'm feeling kinda bad now XD I wub you, too. <3 Went a bit on tilt once or twice in there, though. | ||
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On December 15 2015 08:29 Fecalfeast wrote: I sorta tried at first but man that fallout game makes me forget about real life I need to upgrade my toaster so I can play that, too. | ||
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On December 15 2015 08:32 Fecalfeast wrote: My machine is bottlenecked at the graphics card so I only rock low settings. Still looks good to me, old gamer privilege I guess Well, both my cpu and my graphics card are pretty old, since for the most part I play like RPG or strategy games and those tend to run on toasters if you don't want to rock max settings, so I don't upgrade that often. | ||
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On December 15 2015 08:42 Damdred wrote: Nm and disformation I would like to talk to both of you on Skype or something soon to talk about game and some things I saw. Otherwise the game was largely on point. Mafia played decently for the hand they were dealt. And fid inability to shoot probably hurt scum. Also shooting him super hurt your chances you would of won a 1 v 1 with him. Hm. Wasn't Fidei86 looking super town for some reason? Can't remember. Was still thinking I could somehow misslynch DYH and then LS or something. And sure if you can stand my obnoxious german accent you can talk to me on skype/TS/discord whatever you want. HtS also wanted to give me some pointers about a few mistakes I made. | ||
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On December 15 2015 08:59 NocturneMage wrote: Show nested quote + On December 15 2015 08:27 disformation wrote: Also later on had trouble deciding whether I want to stay on DYH, cause I couldnt find more to scum read him, or just keep tunneling, which is super unusual for town!disformation. but I couldnt get a reasonable scum read on NM. maybe should have tried LS. There was a fair shot I could have gotten mislynched. I honestly thought day 4 I was getting lynched over Rels and people didn't understand my change in tone. Others thought I was bussing HTS because of out of game issues, but the sheer reality is that I know how to read her extremely well, and I've accurately read her when she's had far better games than this as scum. If I was there I would have lynched you over Rels, cause Rels war by best friend forever and my hope in lynching DYH. Also would have been nice to avenge HtS. | ||
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This is one of the points where a coach would have been handy and probably one of the points both HtS and Damdred want to talk to me about. xD | ||
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Remember these? On December 10 2015 07:36 NocturneMage wrote: Well okay, I'm not drunk but I had a glass of chianti. Er, okay I lied, maybe two glasses of chianti. But I'm still sober On December 10 2015 07:42 NocturneMage wrote: Alright, maybe I'll go for a third glass. Because I can. Playing League might not be a good idea then, but eh....fuck it. afk for 5 minutes. On December 10 2015 07:49 NocturneMage wrote: Sorry Trfel didn't realise you weren't old enough. Oh well another glass of wine for me I tried to verify this via contacting HtS on Steam. Result: + Show Spoiler + 00:04 - Half the Sky: HOLY FUCK yeah he just went through a bottle of wine | ||
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On December 15 2015 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Very well played Shining! Very bad played almost everyone for the DYH read. It was ugly to watch. I also thought disinformation played really well up until some point. probably until i was like "okay hts can be mafia. still voting dyh" or my obv bus on ff. day 1 went pretty good for me. xD | ||
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On December 15 2015 22:43 Rels wrote: Show nested quote + On December 02 2015 01:47 Rels wrote: On December 02 2015 01:45 disformation wrote: Washing machine running. Here we go: On December 01 2015 09:57 Damdred wrote: On December 01 2015 09:52 Damdred wrote: Its just bad reasoning for why I sort of think Trfel is townish? Like its really really to early for me to be sold on it, but the way trfel goes defensive and omgus instead of sort of buddying up to me and trying to change my mind that way made me think maybe its just town being dumb. like its really really really bad reasoning, but sort of makes me not want to lynch trfel at this moment Yes, it is really really really bad reasoning, especially since scum!Trfel did something very similar in NSM17. In that game geript called out scum!Trfel on his case on VE and instead of trying to buddying up to geript scum!Trfel proceeds to try to get ppl suspicious of geript (even with a short case later on) and tries to emit a frustrated town vibe. If you see something different in this game, that I missed please feel free to point it out. That being said I, too think that Trfel's apology has a very towny tone to it and that it doesn't look like something he did in NSM17... Still doesn't really explain where your super bad reasoning comes from after you just played a game with scum!Trfel, where he tried similar things. xD Don't dare being scum with this chatty tone. That would break my heart </3 TBF reading the scum QT you seem to have suffered a lot more than I did ... sry. eh went on tilt a few times. mixture of being pissed over the bad mistakes i made, no clue on how to handle the cases on me and so on... also bussing both FF and HtS who i both really like was a super hard thing to do. to a point were i wasnt even able to bus hts. the ff bus was a bit of a panic thing and probably not s good idea in the first place. i hope i can learn from these mistakes and win the next time i roll scum. though i like being town more so far since thid game was super hard and stressful. | ||
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On December 15 2015 23:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On December 15 2015 22:56 disformation wrote: On December 15 2015 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Very well played Shining! Very bad played almost everyone for the DYH read. It was ugly to watch. I also thought disinformation played really well up until some point. probably until i was like "okay hts can be mafia. still voting dyh" or my obv bus on ff. If i am completely honest i have no idea why you bussed FF when you could have instead lynched Trfel. I think you guys had a better shot at winning in case you had lynched Trfel there. yeah that was a super stupid panic thing from me. | ||
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i am prone to dumb decisions when the last hour gets crazy and shennanies happen in my town game too. | ||
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On December 15 2015 23:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On December 15 2015 23:09 disformation wrote: On December 15 2015 23:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: On December 15 2015 22:56 disformation wrote: On December 15 2015 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Very well played Shining! Very bad played almost everyone for the DYH read. It was ugly to watch. I also thought disinformation played really well up until some point. probably until i was like "okay hts can be mafia. still voting dyh" or my obv bus on ff. If i am completely honest i have no idea why you bussed FF when you could have instead lynched Trfel. I think you guys had a better shot at winning in case you had lynched Trfel there. yeah that was a super stupid panic thing from me. It's okay. After all you played really well and afaik this was your first scumgame ever. Just be a bit more ballsy and try to work a bit on your interactions with your scummates and game sense (what to do in certain situations) and you'll do very well! yeah. first open game. first scum game. thanks. <3 | ||
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On December 15 2015 23:21 NocturneMage wrote: again disformation I think you did really well especially this being your first scumgame, no coaches (despite teammate mentoring, but they have to play their own game too), I really don't think you should be ashamed of anything. ty <3. A bit disappointed that this bait didn't work on ya: On December 15 2015 05:40 disformation wrote: the clot thickens. | ||
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On December 16 2015 20:58 Palmar wrote: gg thanks for carry you are welcome. | ||
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On December 17 2015 00:52 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On December 17 2015 00:07 disformation wrote: On December 16 2015 20:58 Palmar wrote: gg thanks for carry you are welcome. wifom shots are generally bad btw. It's super tempting to do them all the time, but still. yeah. shooting you n2 was not good. couldnt get myself to shoot the shining later on cause i was super sure at least 1 person would throw his reads at me if i did that. =\ not sure if that would have been better/worse than fealing with him though, because i was pretty much unable to do so... a coach would have been great for those things. but the only thing i can do now is to hope i learn from these mistakes and do better next time. | ||
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On December 17 2015 11:47 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On December 15 2015 08:10 disformation wrote: Still don't think I'm gonna be happy when I see my next scum pm. =/ Just double bus and everything will be ok. Well, if I was good at bussing this game would have gone much smoother. | ||
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On December 17 2015 22:55 Palmar wrote: It wasn't all bad, and of course sometimes you need to shoot for wifom, but as a rule of thumb, people tend to do it too often. The rationale is very simple. It's much easier for people to stay on target than it is to step back and reassess. People are generally very biased to their own beliefs. Let's take an example: Disfo is mafia. LS is town Palmartown thinks LS is mafia Damdredtown thinks Disfo is mafia If you make the wifom shot (Palmar) you're hoping the following happens: Damdred steps back, realizes he's been wrong the entire time and Palmar must have gotten shot for being right on LS. Damdred changes his mind and starts thinking LS is mafia If you make the simple shot (Damdred) you're hoping the following happens: Palmar keeps tunneling LS without thinking too much about the NK In general (of course this is very situation specific), you want to bet on people being stubborn and self-righteous. It is extremely difficult to recognize when you've been wrong and reassess, it's one of the hardest things to do in mafia. I don't blame anyone for sticking to their original beliefs when in doubt. hmm... haven't exactly looked at it from this angle. maybe because I am prone to waffle about and am ususally not that stubborn about my reads. | ||
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and thanks for all the post game advise guys. <3 | ||
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Maybe I should have checked out some guides about playing scum, I feel I am not very aware on what conventions there are for that. xD | ||
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