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On November 02 2015 02:08 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 02:01 gumshoe wrote:I mean... effort does not equal town. For example. I put a lot of effort in regardless of my alignment. I agree that it would have been pretty demoralizing to play the game through with Onegu and Hopeless as your mafia partners (assuming that that's the world), but clearly the mafia IS playing the game and hasn't given up. GB fits that description just as well as Vivax or anyone else. Maybe you could characterize GB as having an "aggro style". but going after people and arguing with them is something that mafia can do and have to do. If you don't do anything in the thread, then you'll obviously get lynched. To chrom, let me tell ya about voting : P not mafia voting, I mean voting voting. Everyone should do it right? Its a tiny little thing that has a good chance to improve your overall life, so why dont we? Why is only seventy percent voter turn out considered a good thing? Also why is higher voter turnouts considered bad for the people in power? Its because as a whole we dont act unless we have too, and we know our actions will make a difference. Thats why effort is townie, it's hard to bring yourself to write up massive cases that you know is bullshit, thats why scummers end games with 5 page filters while towners have 30. as for you argument hes was trying to convince us to spare him through effort. 1: the case was against me -_- the guy most likely to spare him, 2: it was pretty terrible. 3: not once this game has anyone been swayed by the pants on head logic, so there's was no reason to think it would work now. I dont see how gb thought he was going to live with his own teamates bussing him and by accusing his ally AND by having a shit argument. More likely? He just thought he was gonna flip town and blow the whole case wide open post mortem / : By writing arguments like that, he looks like he's trying to find mafia, which will make people think that he is town. That's why people do that when they're about to be lynched, so they can look more town. The point isn't that he was hoping to convince people to vote you over him, he was hoping that people would look at his case and think, "oh that's a townie thing to do". The fact that his argument was bad should be a point against him, not for him.
See, I read gb as a pretty emotional player, I cant see him doing that when his own team is bussing him in such a derpy fashion when it was all likely for not / : I've read his scum games, hes not that good an actor, show me one time he was in such a situation and he had the balls to attack the guy he had the best shot of convincing with a case that big.
If you can demonstrate capacity, I'll concede, but otherwise his scum play this game is an anomaly, that and as much you might hate to admit, the derpiest player is usually town, does that suck? Yes, but that doesn't make it less true / :
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On November 02 2015 01:33 gumshoe wrote:sigh, gb has no way to win this game if hes scum, his actions are no consistent with a scummer whose about to die and invalidate all his reads / : like theres still confidence in his voice cause he thinks town can win, if hes scum with hopeless his tone would be much diffrent? But maybe I'm reading his voice all wrong T_T(this would be so much easier to acertain and convince people of in voice or video / : its just hard to translate a tone read) If gb was scum with hopeless and onegu, why did he shoot rayn? Clearly onegu did it for cred Show nested quote + a world where I am scum this game I dont kill Rayn, I am not going to kill the only person that is town reading me this game. It would be suicide for me. Killing rayn takes pressure off of the people he was scum reading and lets them put pressure on me. They want this mislynch on me it gets them to lylo. but he claims this looks bad on hopeless,
We can't know why rayn was killed, but it could just be very simple reasons. Maybe Onegu did it so he could make that argument in the thread, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the other mafia at all. Or maybe it was something else, like GB wanted to kill one of the people who was going after him hard in the thread.
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On November 02 2015 02:10 Chromatically wrote:
If GB is town, then Hopeless is like 99% mafia for coming into the thread and voting on the townie in a town-mafia lynch, so he should be lynched tomorrow. I don't see a situation where the next two lynches are GB-Hopeless in some order, and I don't see any world where they are both town. So either way we should get to final three at least.
I still feel good about GB/H1 scum. I understand there's some people feeling unconfident here but we just need to stay the course. This might be the last day we're able to lynch GB, too-- people who are scumreading him have been getting shot over time. Regardless, I'm figuring we lynch GB and H1 and win the game. And, as you said, even if one of them is town, it's almost certain they're not BOTH town.
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On November 02 2015 02:10 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 02:05 gumshoe wrote:On November 02 2015 02:01 Vivax wrote:
Maybe you're afraid that GB flipping scum would clear me from the stuff you started throwing at me post-lynch?
If he's town you can use it against me tomorrow, so let him flip! I want to lynch scum, ether of you two could be town, I am going after the one person I know is almost certain to be scum so that I leave the remaining scummer as little wiggle room as possible, whoever that may be. I am doing this to delay my own gratification because I know a lynch on you probably wouldn't happen today(I would also feel really fucking bad if your actually town), and even though a green flip on Gb would feel fucking great, it's not worth going into lylo with 2 scum. Also your a goddamn genius Why do you keep saying either of us can be town yet you clearly seem to have GB as town and me as mafia?
cause I can be wrong, I was wrong about yamato and I can be wrong about you. Thats why I want to lynch hopeless, as I really dont think I can be wrong about him as he matches every conceivable scum team and hes just super godamm scummy -_-
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Blazinghand
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On November 02 2015 02:14 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 01:33 gumshoe wrote:sigh, gb has no way to win this game if hes scum, his actions are no consistent with a scummer whose about to die and invalidate all his reads / : like theres still confidence in his voice cause he thinks town can win, if hes scum with hopeless his tone would be much diffrent? But maybe I'm reading his voice all wrong T_T(this would be so much easier to acertain and convince people of in voice or video / : its just hard to translate a tone read) If gb was scum with hopeless and onegu, why did he shoot rayn? Clearly onegu did it for cred a world where I am scum this game I dont kill Rayn, I am not going to kill the only person that is town reading me this game. It would be suicide for me. Killing rayn takes pressure off of the people he was scum reading and lets them put pressure on me. They want this mislynch on me it gets them to lylo. but he claims this looks bad on hopeless, We can't know why rayn was killed, but it could just be very simple reasons. Maybe Onegu did it so he could make that argument in the thread, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the other mafia at all. Or maybe it was something else, like GB wanted to kill one of the people who was going after him hard in the thread.
I think it would be a mistake to overspeculate on the rayn nk, but I will note that there's nothing inherently wrong with it with a GB/1G/H1 team. Like, yeah, rayn wasn't captain mcuseful but those guys could have shot him, and 1G certainly had a reason to if nothing else
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On November 02 2015 02:13 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 02:08 Chromatically wrote:On November 02 2015 02:01 gumshoe wrote:I mean... effort does not equal town. For example. I put a lot of effort in regardless of my alignment. I agree that it would have been pretty demoralizing to play the game through with Onegu and Hopeless as your mafia partners (assuming that that's the world), but clearly the mafia IS playing the game and hasn't given up. GB fits that description just as well as Vivax or anyone else. Maybe you could characterize GB as having an "aggro style". but going after people and arguing with them is something that mafia can do and have to do. If you don't do anything in the thread, then you'll obviously get lynched. To chrom, let me tell ya about voting : P not mafia voting, I mean voting voting. Everyone should do it right? Its a tiny little thing that has a good chance to improve your overall life, so why dont we? Why is only seventy percent voter turn out considered a good thing? Also why is higher voter turnouts considered bad for the people in power? Its because as a whole we dont act unless we have too, and we know our actions will make a difference. Thats why effort is townie, it's hard to bring yourself to write up massive cases that you know is bullshit, thats why scummers end games with 5 page filters while towners have 30. as for you argument hes was trying to convince us to spare him through effort. 1: the case was against me -_- the guy most likely to spare him, 2: it was pretty terrible. 3: not once this game has anyone been swayed by the pants on head logic, so there's was no reason to think it would work now. I dont see how gb thought he was going to live with his own teamates bussing him and by accusing his ally AND by having a shit argument. More likely? He just thought he was gonna flip town and blow the whole case wide open post mortem / : By writing arguments like that, he looks like he's trying to find mafia, which will make people think that he is town. That's why people do that when they're about to be lynched, so they can look more town. The point isn't that he was hoping to convince people to vote you over him, he was hoping that people would look at his case and think, "oh that's a townie thing to do". The fact that his argument was bad should be a point against him, not for him. See, I read gb as a pretty emotional player, I cant see him doing that when his own team is bussing him in such a derpy fashion when it was all likely for not / : I've read his scum games, hes not that good an actor, show me one time he was in such a situation and he had the balls to attack the guy he had the best shot of convincing with a case that big. If you can demonstrate capacity, I'll concede, but otherwise his scum play this game is an anomaly, that and as much you might hate to admit, the derpiest player is usually town, does that suck? Yes, but that doesn't make it less true / :
When has his team bussing him? I'm only aware of Onegu and hopeless in your current roster of scumreads.
Onegu didn't bus him.
Hopeless might have bussed him in the Onegu vs GB situation, but otherwise he only followed main wagons the previous days.
And I can't be scum with him, so you say.
So gumshoe, who has been bussing GB?
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On November 02 2015 02:13 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 02:08 Chromatically wrote:On November 02 2015 02:01 gumshoe wrote:I mean... effort does not equal town. For example. I put a lot of effort in regardless of my alignment. I agree that it would have been pretty demoralizing to play the game through with Onegu and Hopeless as your mafia partners (assuming that that's the world), but clearly the mafia IS playing the game and hasn't given up. GB fits that description just as well as Vivax or anyone else. Maybe you could characterize GB as having an "aggro style". but going after people and arguing with them is something that mafia can do and have to do. If you don't do anything in the thread, then you'll obviously get lynched. To chrom, let me tell ya about voting : P not mafia voting, I mean voting voting. Everyone should do it right? Its a tiny little thing that has a good chance to improve your overall life, so why dont we? Why is only seventy percent voter turn out considered a good thing? Also why is higher voter turnouts considered bad for the people in power? Its because as a whole we dont act unless we have too, and we know our actions will make a difference. Thats why effort is townie, it's hard to bring yourself to write up massive cases that you know is bullshit, thats why scummers end games with 5 page filters while towners have 30. as for you argument hes was trying to convince us to spare him through effort. 1: the case was against me -_- the guy most likely to spare him, 2: it was pretty terrible. 3: not once this game has anyone been swayed by the pants on head logic, so there's was no reason to think it would work now. I dont see how gb thought he was going to live with his own teamates bussing him and by accusing his ally AND by having a shit argument. More likely? He just thought he was gonna flip town and blow the whole case wide open post mortem / : By writing arguments like that, he looks like he's trying to find mafia, which will make people think that he is town. That's why people do that when they're about to be lynched, so they can look more town. The point isn't that he was hoping to convince people to vote you over him, he was hoping that people would look at his case and think, "oh that's a townie thing to do". The fact that his argument was bad should be a point against him, not for him. See, I read gb as a pretty emotional player, I cant see him doing that when his own team is bussing him in such a derpy fashion when it was all likely for not / : I've read his scum games, hes not that good an actor, show me one time he was in such a situation and he had the balls to attack the guy he had the best shot of convincing with a case that big. If you can demonstrate capacity, I'll concede, but otherwise his scum play this game is an anomaly, that and as much you might hate to admit, the derpiest player is usually town, does that suck? Yes, but that doesn't make it less true / :
I don't understand what you mean about his team "bussing him in a derpy fashion". I've explained that if GB is mafia, then the lynch was two mafia. This means that Onegu/Hopeless (assuming Hopeless mafia) would have no choice but to vote for a mafia.
Honestly, I really don't have the time to go into every game where he was up for lynch, find out who his biggest defender was, and then see if GB attacked them.
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I currently am even hoping I understood what you said there.
Emotional player, meta shown by Chromatically to be the case as both alignments before he dies.
But he hasn't been emotional in this game when his team was bussing him in a derpy fashion?
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On November 02 2015 02:14 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 02:10 Chromatically wrote:
If GB is town, then Hopeless is like 99% mafia for coming into the thread and voting on the townie in a town-mafia lynch, so he should be lynched tomorrow. I don't see a situation where the next two lynches are GB-Hopeless in some order, and I don't see any world where they are both town. So either way we should get to final three at least. I still feel good about GB/H1 scum. I understand there's some people feeling unconfident here but we just need to stay the course. This might be the last day we're able to lynch GB, too-- people who are scumreading him have been getting shot over time. Regardless, I'm figuring we lynch GB and H1 and win the game. And, as you said, even if one of them is town, it's almost certain they're not BOTH town.
Yep, I'm still on the GB/Hopeless idea too. I'm just arguing for the cases where it's not true, we should still lynch the other one and they shouldn't both be town.
I have to go for a few hours before the lynch so I'll probably move over to GB before then since that's what it's looking like. Prevent shenannies or something I guess?
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On November 02 2015 02:15 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 02:14 Chromatically wrote:On November 02 2015 01:33 gumshoe wrote:sigh, gb has no way to win this game if hes scum, his actions are no consistent with a scummer whose about to die and invalidate all his reads / : like theres still confidence in his voice cause he thinks town can win, if hes scum with hopeless his tone would be much diffrent? But maybe I'm reading his voice all wrong T_T(this would be so much easier to acertain and convince people of in voice or video / : its just hard to translate a tone read) If gb was scum with hopeless and onegu, why did he shoot rayn? Clearly onegu did it for cred a world where I am scum this game I dont kill Rayn, I am not going to kill the only person that is town reading me this game. It would be suicide for me. Killing rayn takes pressure off of the people he was scum reading and lets them put pressure on me. They want this mislynch on me it gets them to lylo. but he claims this looks bad on hopeless, We can't know why rayn was killed, but it could just be very simple reasons. Maybe Onegu did it so he could make that argument in the thread, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the other mafia at all. Or maybe it was something else, like GB wanted to kill one of the people who was going after him hard in the thread. I think it would be a mistake to overspeculate on the rayn nk, but I will note that there's nothing inherently wrong with it with a GB/1G/H1 team. Like, yeah, rayn wasn't captain mcuseful but those guys could have shot him, and 1G certainly had a reason to if nothing else
Yeah, it's not a point in favor of GB being mafia, just trying to show that it's not a reason that GB is town either.
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BH why no opinion on who to lynch first between them?
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On November 02 2015 02:14 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 01:33 gumshoe wrote:sigh, gb has no way to win this game if hes scum, his actions are no consistent with a scummer whose about to die and invalidate all his reads / : like theres still confidence in his voice cause he thinks town can win, if hes scum with hopeless his tone would be much diffrent? But maybe I'm reading his voice all wrong T_T(this would be so much easier to acertain and convince people of in voice or video / : its just hard to translate a tone read) If gb was scum with hopeless and onegu, why did he shoot rayn? Clearly onegu did it for cred a world where I am scum this game I dont kill Rayn, I am not going to kill the only person that is town reading me this game. It would be suicide for me. Killing rayn takes pressure off of the people he was scum reading and lets them put pressure on me. They want this mislynch on me it gets them to lylo. but he claims this looks bad on hopeless, We can't know why rayn was killed, but it could just be very simple reasons. Maybe Onegu did it so he could make that argument in the thread, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the other mafia at all. Or maybe it was something else, like GB wanted to kill one of the people who was going after him hard in the thread.
Onegu: guys I wanna kill rayn cause it looks good on me but bad on you!
gb: You do that bro! your our only hope! do whatever you can to win : D
I cant see it -_- if gb is scum hes the most active by far, he would decide the shot for certain, especially because he would have hopless's support (the rayn shot was bad for him according to onegu)
We keep bending over backwards to justify how Gb is playing this obscure wifom game, when it's really just more likely that theres was someone who didnt suffer from the rayn shot along with onegu / :
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On November 02 2015 02:28 Vivax wrote:
BH why no opinion on who to lynch first between them?
dont even try this shit.
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On November 02 2015 00:58 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +Still, I have no idea why I'm mafia besides the meta case. Can anyone elaborate on this?
Yes you're also mafia for what 2-3 NKd dudes said. For your freaky read on me on D1, which you told marv and others was so bad you couldn't be mafia cause 2bad4scum. And this too, at that given time: Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 04:08 Vivax wrote:
I can sum up GB like this: Spends like a page of filter talking about me, the argument switch thingy,
then moans and bitches about Onegu not being scumread over him,
some emotional outburst here and there,
after bitching about Onegu he pops a vote on BH for reasons I don't really understand (then BH comes in and is BFF with GB no questions asked but whatever, that's a thing apart),
then he suddenly feels enlightened and makes public he was doing a shitty push after asking some really weird questions I don't understand the point of up to this point,
and then unvotes and kinda afks. Then you tried to capitalize on town short term memory as you do today when you only post shortly before lynch, throwing a tantrum and trying to show effort last minute.
I've never said I've done a shitty push. I think my push was great. Other people thought my push was horrible so I just had to roll with it.
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On November 02 2015 02:29 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 02:28 Vivax wrote:
BH why no opinion on who to lynch first between them? dont even try this shit.
I have a preference on who to lynch first and that for good reasons I explained.
It's not "shit" if I get to discuss that with BH after noting that he isn't interested in doing that.
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On November 02 2015 02:18 Vivax wrote:
I currently am even hoping I understood what you said there.
Emotional player, meta shown by Chromatically to be the case as both alignments before he dies.
But he hasn't been emotional in this game when his team was bussing him in a derpy fashion?
the emotions were wrong
scum emotions: lol you guys so bad, im a dt bros dont shoot me
directed at self protection
town emotions: im gonna die, better contribute.
directed at post mortem contribution
in gbs state, I dont think he would honestly put the effort in to do the latter(especially given the case he brought up) if his team was bussing him and all of town pretty much wanted him dead.
Real talk: I am a mediocre player when it comes to finding scum, but I am insanely good whenever this situation pops up, the people I defend in this fashion are town almost 100 percent of the time, that doesnt save them because I'm not the best at convincing others / : also gb is def one of the dodgier clients ive defended.
That said, I'm not asking you to not kill gb if thats what you have to do, just dont kill gb right now because there is doubt. Whereas with hopeless, the only people showing doubt are the suspects / :
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On November 02 2015 02:29 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 02:14 Chromatically wrote:On November 02 2015 01:33 gumshoe wrote:sigh, gb has no way to win this game if hes scum, his actions are no consistent with a scummer whose about to die and invalidate all his reads / : like theres still confidence in his voice cause he thinks town can win, if hes scum with hopeless his tone would be much diffrent? But maybe I'm reading his voice all wrong T_T(this would be so much easier to acertain and convince people of in voice or video / : its just hard to translate a tone read) If gb was scum with hopeless and onegu, why did he shoot rayn? Clearly onegu did it for cred a world where I am scum this game I dont kill Rayn, I am not going to kill the only person that is town reading me this game. It would be suicide for me. Killing rayn takes pressure off of the people he was scum reading and lets them put pressure on me. They want this mislynch on me it gets them to lylo. but he claims this looks bad on hopeless, We can't know why rayn was killed, but it could just be very simple reasons. Maybe Onegu did it so he could make that argument in the thread, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the other mafia at all. Or maybe it was something else, like GB wanted to kill one of the people who was going after him hard in the thread. Onegu: guys I wanna kill rayn cause it looks good on me but bad on you! gb: You do that bro! your our only hope! do whatever you can to win : D I cant see it -_- if gb is scum hes the most active by far, he would decide the shot for certain, especially because he would have hopless's support (the rayn shot was bad for him according to onegu) We keep bending over backwards to justify how Gb is playing this obscure wifom game, when it's really just more likely that theres was someone who didnt suffer from the rayn shot along with onegu / :
Or maybe it's:
GB: "rayn is really pushing me hard, let's kill him"
Onegu: "aww but he's defending me"
Or maybe it's:
GB: "rayn is really annoying, let's kill him"
Onegu: "yeah he is"
Or maybe it's a whole bunch of different things that we can't actually know. We have no clue what would happen.
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On November 02 2015 02:32 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 02:29 gumshoe wrote:On November 02 2015 02:28 Vivax wrote:
BH why no opinion on who to lynch first between them? dont even try this shit. I have a preference on who to lynch first and that for good reasons I explained. It's not "shit" if I get to discuss that with BH after noting that he isn't interested in doing that.
You've been trying to find dirt on bh all game. It's not happening, it's not gonna work, stahp.
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On November 02 2015 02:35 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 02:18 Vivax wrote:
I currently am even hoping I understood what you said there.
Emotional player, meta shown by Chromatically to be the case as both alignments before he dies.
But he hasn't been emotional in this game when his team was bussing him in a derpy fashion?
in gbs state, I dont think he would honestly put the effort in to do the latter(especially given the case he brought up) if his team was bussing him and all of town pretty much wanted him dead.
On November 02 2015 02:16 Vivax wrote:
When has his team bussing him? I'm only aware of Onegu and hopeless in your current roster of scumreads.
Onegu didn't bus him.
Hopeless might have bussed him in the Onegu vs GB situation, but otherwise he only followed main wagons the previous days.
And I can't be scum with him, so you say.
So gumshoe, who has been bussing GB?
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On November 02 2015 02:35 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 02:18 Vivax wrote:
I currently am even hoping I understood what you said there.
Emotional player, meta shown by Chromatically to be the case as both alignments before he dies.
But he hasn't been emotional in this game when his team was bussing him in a derpy fashion?
the emotions were wrong scum emotions: lol you guys so bad, im a dt bros dont shoot me directed at self protection town emotions: im gonna die, better contribute. directed at post mortem contribution in gbs state, I dont think he would honestly put the effort in to do the latter(especially given the case he brought up) if his team was bussing him and all of town pretty much wanted him dead. Real talk: I am a mediocre player when it comes to finding scum, but I am insanely good whenever this situation pops up, the people I defend in this fashion are town almost 100 percent of the time, that doesnt save them because I'm not the best at convincing others / : also gb is def one of the dodgier clients ive defended. That said, I'm not asking you to not kill gb if thats what you have to do, just dont kill gb right now because there is doubt. Whereas with hopeless, the only people showing doubt are the suspects / :
I quoted a bunch of posts that show that those emotions are not accurate to his alignment! As mafia, he has contributed as he's being lynched. As town, he has called people bad as he's being lynched. He does both as either alignment.
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