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Rels
France13467 Posts
Day 4 Vote Count GlowingBear (3): Blazinghand, Hopeless1der, Vivax Hopeless1der (1): Not Voting (3): gumshoe, GlowingBear, ritoky Looks like it's time to sack GlowingBear for being a traitor! Day 4 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00). The quality control list is here. The automated list counter is here. Only votes on this list will be counted. Please mind the deadline as failure to vote will result in a modkill. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
Gut feelings say hopeless is town. Facts point out to him being mafia (him voting me like that today is bad). If you trust gumshoe's appeal to me, he is town. If not, he is always mafia with Onegu. I trust it. I don't think someone can get that low and swear on the life of others and be lying. Really, this is my reason to town read him. After I die, kill Vivax. Then think twice about BH. I'm town. If I die today, will you reach MYLO? If yes, kill Vivax. If no, get rid of hopeless so you guys can clear your heads. Read the latest student mafia so you can see I can be this burned out as town. I was town there. I will vote Vivax because he keeps saying he is ready to in scum read me and was going against gumshoe automatically after I've brought that case. There was no real interaction between them before he decided my case was good and no tral interaction before he decided gumshoe was town again and I was mafia. He's most likely to be mafia after all. ##Vote: Vivax Still, I have no idea why I'm mafia besides the meta case. Can anyone elaborate on this? | ||
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Vivax
22180 Posts
Still, I have no idea why I'm mafia besides the meta case. Can anyone elaborate on this? Yes you're also mafia for what 2-3 NKd dudes said. For your freaky read on me on D1, which you told marv and others was so bad you couldn't be mafia cause 2bad4scum. And this too, at that given time: On October 24 2015 04:08 Vivax wrote: I can sum up GB like this: Spends like a page of filter talking about me, the argument switch thingy, then moans and bitches about Onegu not being scumread over him, some emotional outburst here and there, after bitching about Onegu he pops a vote on BH for reasons I don't really understand (then BH comes in and is BFF with GB no questions asked but whatever, that's a thing apart), then he suddenly feels enlightened and makes public he was doing a shitty push after asking some really weird questions I don't understand the point of up to this point, and then unvotes and kinda afks. Then you tried to capitalize on town short term memory as you do today when you only post shortly before lynch, throwing a tantrum and trying to show effort last minute. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
Day 4 Vote Count GlowingBear (3): Blazinghand, Hopeless1der, Vivax Hopeless1der (1): Vivax (1): GlowingBear Not Voting (2): gumshoe, ritoky Looks like it's time to sack GlowingBear for being a traitor! Day 4 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00). The quality control list is here. The automated list counter is here. Only votes on this list will be counted. Please mind the deadline as failure to vote will result in a modkill. | ||
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Vivax
22180 Posts
There was no real interaction between them before he decided my case was good and no tral interaction before he decided gumshoe was town again and I was mafia. He's most likely to be mafia after all. The interaction was that he was throwing scum at me out of nowhere right the moment 1gu got lynched, and I suspected him cause of it, went into his filter which I didn't really bother with up until that point cause I assumed he was town for his wall of text style. Then I posted my own opinion (which was heated), and just after I started considering your case as having any value before the notion came to me that gumshoe was just being a dick for its own sake and just decided to ignore any attempts at direct conversation. And now if you die and flip town, that should be exactly what you want cause it would make it clear to everyone if you were mafia with 1gu or not, which would throw an entirely different light at my actions depending on the outcome (which is in my interest since a lot of accusations against me build on you being town, which gumshoe and maybe someone else have been pushing). So for the off chance your teammate isn't just hopeless, your lynch will clear if mafia is surfing on cred or not. And if you're town I'll gladly defend myself against the fallout from that revelation the day after, cause then either me or hopeless will get lynched as a result. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
If gb was scum with hopeless and onegu, why did he shoot rayn? Clearly onegu did it for cred a world where I am scum this game I dont kill Rayn, I am not going to kill the only person that is town reading me this game. It would be suicide for me. Killing rayn takes pressure off of the people he was scum reading and lets them put pressure on me. They want this mislynch on me it gets them to lylo. but he claims this looks bad on hopeless, | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
Rayn scum reads Xata, and hopeless and then dies. Coincidence I think not. Anyway I am going to bed. We should lynch xata or hopeless toda according to his logic, it looks shit on Gb too, so who the fuck was the nk for? Onegu? Was the scum team really banking all their hope on him (clearly cause hopeless sided with gb on the vote)? Do you think Gb would endorse that? It's absolute bonkers -_- I dont get the vibe of defeated scum from gb, yet hes clearly sure hes going to get lynched fter I die, think twice before doing meta cases. Hint: they suck. Gut feelings say hopeless is town. Facts point out to him being mafia (him voting me like that today is bad). Ok, so it seems I'm dead today. Some thoughts for you: IF Onegu is mafia, gumshoe is always mafia with him. It should be pretty telling to you that gumshoe was strong townreading me, then decided to vote me to follow his townreads, but when I confronted him he decided to simply "Unvote" while still scumreading Onegu. Then he decided to vote me again over TONE LOL. Now he is voting Onegu, but just when the lynch is secured on me (he voted Onegu when I've reached majority with 5 votes). This is fucking scummy. hes done this twice -_- dumped a ton of effort into reads that dont matter if he flips scum, which he must assume will happen because his buddies have bussed him 2 days in a row. Hes more concerned with us taking him seriusly after hes dead than trying to stay alive. thats not scum | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
Cause if it was MvM there's 1 mafia riding hard on lynch cred and you don't want to have to start considering that at lylo in the really scary case that hopeless flips town. I don't thibk hopeless is mafia... both vivax and gb assume hopeless has a decent shot of flipping town -_- that is to say, both the prime scum reads dont paticulalry want to lynch hopeless, so you know what we should probally do? Fucking lynch hopeless so we dont have to worry about spending our last lylo life on a lurker Also if your talking about lynching for info, lynching hopeless is way better for that / : as gb bieng scum with vivax is unlikely, so clearly hopeless must be the buddy of whoevers scum. If hopeless is town, thats the real bombshell it would force us to totally reevaluate, whereas a gb or vivax lynch would just have us staying the course. Tldr. 1 of the three scum is most likely scum, if somehow hes not scum hes the only flip that gives us reason to rethunk the game. ##vote hopeless | ||
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Vivax
22180 Posts
it would force us to totally reevaluate, whereas a gb or vivax lynch would just have us staying the course. This is totally idiotic | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
Are you claiming to be scum with gb now? Please tell me how likely that is, please do. You are not likely scum with gb, so if only one of you is scum, and hopeless is town, that means theres a scummer riding off lynch cred -_- as you say. Wheres the problem with what I'm saying? I actually totally agree though, it is idiotic, which is why we should just lynch hopeless instead of digging into the tinfoil cause hopeless is just scum, | ||
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Vivax
22180 Posts
On November 02 2015 01:55 gumshoe wrote: Are you claiming to be scum with gb now? Please tell me how likely that is, please do. You are not likely scum with gb, so if only one of you is scum, and hopeless is town, that means theres a scummer riding off lynch cred -_- as you say. Wheres the problem with what I'm saying? I actually totally agree though, it is idiotic, which is why we should just lynch hopeless instead of digging into the tinfoil cause hopeless is just scum, The problem is that if you keep one of me or GB alive, and hopeless is indeed town, tomorrow you have groundhog day again with me and GB which is not what you want with only 1 lynch left. And I want to know how the wagons were on D3. Which you should also want but don't for some reason. | ||
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Vivax
22180 Posts
If he's town you can use it against me tomorrow, so let him flip! | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
I mean... effort does not equal town. For example. I put a lot of effort in regardless of my alignment. I agree that it would have been pretty demoralizing to play the game through with Onegu and Hopeless as your mafia partners (assuming that that's the world), but clearly the mafia IS playing the game and hasn't given up. GB fits that description just as well as Vivax or anyone else. Maybe you could characterize GB as having an "aggro style". but going after people and arguing with them is something that mafia can do and have to do. If you don't do anything in the thread, then you'll obviously get lynched. To chrom, let me tell ya about voting : P not mafia voting, I mean voting voting. Everyone should do it right? Its a tiny little thing that has a good chance to improve your overall life, so why dont we? Why is only seventy percent voter turn out considered a good thing? Also why is higher voter turnouts considered bad for the people in power? Its because as a whole we dont act unless we have too, and we know our actions will make a difference. Thats why effort is townie, it's hard to bring yourself to write up massive cases that you know is bullshit, thats why scummers end games with 5 page filters while towners have 30. as for you argument hes was trying to convince us to spare him through effort. 1: the case was against me -_- the guy most likely to spare him, 2: it was pretty terrible. 3: not once this game has anyone been swayed by the pants on head logic, so there's was no reason to think it would work now. I dont see how gb thought he was going to live with his own teamates bussing him and by accusing his ally AND by having a shit argument. More likely? He just thought he was gonna flip town and blow the whole case wide open post mortem / : | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
On November 02 2015 01:39 gumshoe wrote: ... hes done this twice -_- dumped a ton of effort into reads that dont matter if he flips scum, which he must assume will happen because his buddies have bussed him 2 days in a row. Hes more concerned with us taking him seriusly after hes dead than trying to stay alive. thats not scum He is perfectly capable of doing this as mafia, I quoted it to you. Putting effort into the game when you're about to be lynched is not a town tell (in general, but also for GB specifically). | ||
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Vivax
22180 Posts
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On November 02 2015 02:01 Vivax wrote: Maybe you're afraid that GB flipping scum would clear me from the stuff you started throwing at me post-lynch? If he's town you can use it against me tomorrow, so let him flip! I want to lynch scum, ether of you two could be town, I am going after the one person I know is almost certain to be scum so that I leave the remaining scummer as little wiggle room as possible, whoever that may be. I am doing this to delay my own gratification because I know a lynch on you probably wouldn't happen today(I would also feel really fucking bad if your actually town), and even though a green flip on Gb would feel fucking great, it's not worth going into lylo with 2 scum. Also your a goddamn genius | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
On November 02 2015 02:01 gumshoe wrote: To chrom, let me tell ya about voting : P not mafia voting, I mean voting voting. Everyone should do it right? Its a tiny little thing that has a good chance to improve your overall life, so why dont we? Why is only seventy percent voter turn out considered a good thing? Also why is higher voter turnouts considered bad for the people in power? Its because as a whole we dont act unless we have too, and we know our actions will make a difference. Thats why effort is townie, it's hard to bring yourself to write up massive cases that you know is bullshit, thats why scummers end games with 5 page filters while towners have 30. as for you argument hes was trying to convince us to spare him through effort. 1: the case was against me -_- the guy most likely to spare him, 2: it was pretty terrible. 3: not once this game has anyone been swayed by the pants on head logic, so there's was no reason to think it would work now. I dont see how gb thought he was going to live with his own teamates bussing him and by accusing his ally AND by having a shit argument. More likely? He just thought he was gonna flip town and blow the whole case wide open post mortem / : By writing arguments like that, he looks like he's trying to find mafia, which will make people think that he is town. That's why people do that when they're about to be lynched, so they can look more town. The point isn't that he was hoping to convince people to vote you over him, he was hoping that people would look at his case and think, "oh that's a townie thing to do". The fact that his argument was bad should be a point against him, not for him. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On November 02 2015 02:04 Chromatically wrote: He is perfectly capable of doing this as mafia, I quoted it to you. Putting effort into the game when you're about to be lynched is not a town tell (in general, but also for GB specifically). his effort should not have saved him if hes scum, as if it was super bad effort, he could have made a much easier appeal to town by not attacking me and going after someone like hopeless and vivax who he had already scum read. that and the nk logic (clear cut from onegu, but super convoluted for gb?) doesn't click but it dont matter, we should lynch hopeless regardless ) : | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
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Vivax
22180 Posts
On November 02 2015 02:05 gumshoe wrote: I want to lynch scum, ether of you two could be town, I am going after the one person I know is almost certain to be scum so that I leave the remaining scummer as little wiggle room as possible, whoever that may be. I am doing this to delay my own gratification because I know a lynch on you probably wouldn't happen today(I would also feel really fucking bad if your actually town), and even though a green flip on Gb would feel fucking great, it's not worth going into lylo with 2 scum. Also your a goddamn genius Why do you keep saying either of us can be town yet you clearly seem to have GB as town and me as mafia? | ||
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