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On holiday next week, waiting on work schedule for the following week.
10/10 on the Firefly roles btw.
/replace for now
Glossing the rules. I assume kp is deliverable since there is (could be) a town roleblocker.
I wonder what happens if the town and scum roleblockers roleblock each other in that one setup because I hear depending on the moderator different things could happen.
Hopefully deadline isn't too late if I do play. Past 1am would suck, trying to go to bed earlier these days unless I work overnights.
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On August 30 2015 05:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:I think there are two conclusions that I would like to extrapolate from the beginning of this Mafia game. The first is that you guys drink way too much alcohol. Like way too much. The second is that there are zero newbies interested in TL Mafia. which is sad
I'd play if I wasn't on holiday this week. Next week, schedule up in the air.
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On September 06 2015 05:05 Superbia wrote: Also hi replacement.
Hey everyone. Just started reading. If there is anything in particular I should pay attention to as I catch up, give me a shout.
Also RL related - I work in the ER so if I'm at work overnight and something pops up, I will be forced to suddenly disappear from the game. The coming week should not be too crazy hopefully.
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Reading the opening pages -
First page with all the claims - I'm just ignoring that, assuming everyone is just joking there and messing around.
Rayn and Superbia are likely town. I read the first few pages of the game, and both of their thoughts are easily fleshed out and transparent.
From my last newbie, people dicked around for several pages, so my only initial reservation with rayn is that he's taking Breshke too seriously but he explains his serious tone. If he's mafia he probably wouldn't draw attention to himself that way. I think Breshke is dicking around after his first post, given his later responses and I think if he were mafia, he would probably be more careful with what he is saying.
Scott, Fidei are nulls from their entrances so far. Slam's posting going through his filter largely makes no sense but I sense some town tell from where he cautioned n00bking about rayn talking past him.
Still page 17. Bear with me.
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On September 06 2015 05:37 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 05:32 NocturneMage wrote:On September 06 2015 05:05 Superbia wrote: Also hi replacement. Hey everyone. Just started reading. If there is anything in particular I should pay attention to as I catch up, give me a shout. Also RL related - I work in the ER so if I'm at work overnight and something pops up, I will be forced to suddenly disappear from the game. The coming week should not be too crazy hopefully. 1. Look at opening posts. 2. Look at rayn/yamato interaction. 3. GB (fake) claim. 4. Look at rayn/noobking interaction. Following people: - noobking - copcake - slam Comments on them in near future pls.
Just saw this. Got it.
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[QUOTE]On September 06 2015 06:06 NocturneMage wrote: [QUOTE]On September 06 2015 05:37 Superbia wrote: [QUOTE]On September 06 2015 05:32 NocturneMage wrote: [QUOTE]On September 06 2015 05:05 Superbia wrote: Also hi replacement.[/QUOTE]
Hey everyone. Just started reading. If there is anything in particular I should pay attention to as I catch up, give me a shout.
Also RL related - I work in the ER so if I'm at work overnight and something pops up, I will be forced to suddenly disappear from the game. The coming week should not be too crazy hopefully. [/QUOTE]
1. Look at opening posts. 2. Look at rayn/yamato interaction. 3. GB (fake) claim. 4. Look at rayn/noobking interaction. Following people: - noobking - copcake - slam
Comments on them in near future pls.[/QUOTE]
Said before, not really serious on his opening. I saw his last post in that interaction
If gb should happen to be mafia it is probably not for his opening/claim posts. I know he was scumreading rayn later on for his tone, and his followup here
[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/493411-newbie-student-mafia-xiv-firefly?page=15#285]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/493411-newbie-student-mafia-xiv-firefly?page=15#285[/url]
makes sense as to why he's scumreading rayn.
rayn's tone is similar from my last newbie but again, I don't remember him getting overly serious this early in the game.
Read yam's first two posts on rayn - it might be null only because someone with that much experience (cited 2 years) will also know him well enough that if he's mafia, to post carefully and not draw attention or tread lightly. I get that impression somewhat from posts 260 and 261. His respse to n00bking's vote on him is perfectly reasonable though and makes sense from a town perspective.
So null on yam for his early interaction. Will read and see if anything further jumps at me.
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On September 06 2015 05:37 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 05:32 NocturneMage wrote:On September 06 2015 05:05 Superbia wrote: Also hi replacement. Hey everyone. Just started reading. If there is anything in particular I should pay attention to as I catch up, give me a shout. Also RL related - I work in the ER so if I'm at work overnight and something pops up, I will be forced to suddenly disappear from the game. The coming week should not be too crazy hopefully. 1. Look at opening posts. 2. Look at rayn/yamato interaction.3. GB (fake) claim.4. Look at rayn/noobking interaction. Following people: - noobking - copcake - slam Comments on them in near future pls.
Said before, not really serious on his opening. I saw his last post in that interaction
If gb should happen to be mafia it is probably not for his opening/claim posts. I know he was scumreading rayn later on for his tone, and his followup here
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/493411-newbie-student-mafia-xiv-firefly?page=15#285
makes sense as to why he's scumreading rayn.
rayn's tone is similar from my last newbie but again, I don't remember him getting overly serious this early in the game.
Read yam's first two posts on rayn - it might be null only because someone with that much experience (cited 2 years) will also know him well enough that if he's mafia, to post carefully and not draw attention or tread lightly. I get that impression somewhat from posts 260 and 261. His respse to n00bking's vote on him is perfectly reasonable though and makes sense from a town perspective.
So null on yam for his early interaction. Will read and see if anything further jumps at me.
edited quote format.
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Going through Copcake's filter as one of the issues requested - some leans I see from both alignments.
mafia - the reads on glowingbear make zero sense. First she asks him how is rayn mafia then there's zero to little follow up on gb until her list post. But there her read still doesn't make sense - if gb doesn't care whether he dies or not shouldn't that make him town? the mafia need to try and survive, at least that's what gb (lol) told me in the mafia qt from my last newbie game. Anyways, also expanding on the useless details might help here - because I saw where he returned a rebuttal on rayn's read on breshke - didn't think that was useless for example.
- also post 611 on moosydoosy - if moosydoosy is paying too much attention to her isn't that a towntell if he's pushing her? Or at least not alignment if he has to defend himself? I read around that post and I don't see how moosy is being "antagonistic".
- read on slam - alright I don't know either of her or slam so I will ignore meta. But to say that slam is town for not being antagonistic like moosy or n00bking - this is not exclusive to mafia, I just got done finishing observing the personality game and Mr. Nice Guy in Judge Judy carried mafia.
Basically this read is a bad reason to read Slam town, I am finding most of his posting nonsensical at best but for the reasons you specified it's a poor reason
Those are scumtells, admittedly your read on moosy and you pushing him is a town action, so I'm going to say a null to scum lean on you for now.
Also since you mentioned it what do you mean by pocketing? I'm sure I've heard it in my only other game but I forget the meanting now.
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Reading n00bking right now. Not liking what I see so far. I know he ranted about skill level of the site in the newbie I played and the one before that so I am ignoring that. But 278, 311 and 329, those posts I really don't like. 329, he's pushing rayn on semantics, doesn't have to be a case, all that matters is that he's calling rayn's points bullshit.
278 talking about rayn's illogical conclusions - again like I said about rayn earlier, I thought rayn's thought processes was pretty clear and straightforward from the beginning, I think his stumbling around with his words might appear to be the result of him being a non-native speaker. 311 lacks a read on moosy who is making the quoted comment himself on copcake. I would have expected him to push moosy for the read there.
I remember reading n00bking from newbie 12 (not the one I was in, since we were mafia together that game) and his detail on some of his scum reads was way more detailed in that game than this. This game feels closer to what he was when he was my scummate.
I continue...
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Sorry folks, another newbie question as I read through -
DMA/dick move analysis is?
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So far my scumreads are copcake and n00bking. So far. I have to bail in less than an hour but will get out what I can.
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On September 06 2015 05:55 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 01:43 MoosyDoosy wrote: n00bKing. For one moment, say that you believe that rayn is town. Who would you look at next if that was the case? I would have a difficult time crafting a defense for any of: CopCake, boxerfred, Hydra/Mage. I'm still waiting to see a post from yamato that looks useful, but I can keep waiting, unless that's a notorious lurker or something.
boxerfred and Fidei both had pop-in and pop-out posts citing they were busy or RL or whatever, so what's your defence for Fidei?
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Post 769 makes n00bking (and there's another one that I can't seem to find at the moment) look a bit better. Actually furthermore adding to that on the read with copcake, you have to also wonder why she threw Fidei at the time she did in the left and not boxerfred as both were in the same boat.
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Threw my vote on copcake for now.
Cake, can you explain how any of the reads I outlined make those people you described exclusively mafia?
Also will ask you the same question I asked n00b.
Why is fidei on your lynch list (or was) and not boxerfred at the time you made your "watch out for X" post?
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On September 06 2015 08:27 CopCake wrote: which list do you mean or do you mean mine?
Post 698 and 705.
On September 06 2015 06:10 CopCake wrote: For the list so far that has been participating:
MoosyDoosy: He has an obsessions with my posts and i don't know why. When I arrived he said "rayn calmed down when cake arrived" which is like ???? he claims it is because rayn got happy in the sign up thread but it kinda looked like he was waiting for me. Since then he hasn't fucked stopped. He claims that my posts are "useless" and I beg to differ. He also says that I have been pocketing people (lol the workd pocketing) which is NOT TRUE because I am like, getting my own info on my own way, if I was POCKETING people I have my own ways and I have been doing a bad job pocketing if people have eyes on me, no? Oh the irony, so yeah you also fucking need to stop people to ASK WHAT DO YOU THINK? AND SHARE WHAT THE FUCK YOU THING BESIDES ME if you are fucking town, i don't know why rayn thinks you are town, effort? that's what people is saying so far but you just checking every step i do with a giant glass is what i don't call effort. When you asked glowing bear about what he thinks your answer was just "mmm" I mean it looks like you REALLY TRIED and CARED for his opinnion, I think you are pretending to put effort but you are actually doing nothing, you are just doing a mimic of what a town looks like. "HEY LOOK AT ME I AM ASKING QUESTIONS HEY EMINEM SONG" and guess what? you stopped to share eminem songs or whatever when i called out your bullshit.
n00bKing: I didn't like his entrance nor I liked how he is interacting with rayn. Rayn is pretty town in my opinion and i think it's fucking obvious, he is also closed minded with his "oh but a town shouldn't react the way rayn is doing so" Dude if you are town, you should know rayn is town, i have shared the meta when he is mafia and i guess someone else has done it too, you might have your opinion but the fact rayn is attacking you or someone else doesn't make him mafia, why don't you sit, drink some tea and think in a word in which rayn is town, if he is mistaken prove to ALL OF US why you are TOWN but.... but BUT you have been trying to frame rayn all the fucking way, omg that is absolutely a very townie thing to do. Prove yourself and don't blame anyone of your mistakes. You might say "oh but it is exactly what moose is doing with you", it's different, rayn is looking at other places, moose isn't.
CoughingHydra replaced by NocturneMage Day 1: I didn't like him, felt odd and now is replacing, will say neutral but i want to see his replacement.
CopCake: Town forever
Alakaslam: I know some of you have him as a little scum lean earlier but I think he is town. You might say "oh he is faking his meta" or "he sucks at faking" but from my point of view he would try to blend in and pretend to be town if he was mafia. Like if a strong player has a meta on him, wouldn't he try to be the most possible to look as his town meta? He also doesn't feel agressive or like trying to throw dirt unlike noobking and moose.
Fidei86: Uh he is like, he exists but at the same time he doesnt. Little scum lean since i doubt the three mafia are active.
scott31337: Town so far.
Superbia: The few she has made look pretty town so far, she is trying to solve the game and give her perspective.
GlowingBear: I don't like how fucking wishy washy he is with his reads and votes, he is also focusing on useless details. It's like he doesn't care who he is voting for. His also "omg i am town vigilante" looks like yeah dude, doesnt care if he dies because if he aint the vig the vig will vig him and if you were the vig you would shut up so mafia wouldn't attack you, you are pretty much an "i dont care lol" this whole game. But with everything you have caused with your claim you should have at least for now try to be serious but you haven't changed, mafia lean.
boxerfred: Don't remember him.
yamato77: Domo arigato mr yamato is town, I was mafia with him last game, he sucks as mafia. He would also be epic mia.
Breshke: Uhhhh nothing has stood up a lot with me with this person.
raynpelikoneet: Town.
On September 06 2015 06:16 CopCake wrote: So yeah
moose, noobking, glowing bear, fidel are the ones to watch out.
The replacement too.
How are you saying these people to watch out for? You don't remember boxerfred, not being memorable is a scum tell. And you posted fidei who at that point had one post in the SAME VEIN AS FIDEI.
By your list Breshke is also not on this list, also under the nonmemorable category.
And previously stated that what you describe with MD and GB do not exclusively make them mafia.
So I need you to clear your reads AND the double standard. This is what I mean.
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alright you ninjaed me lol....
Wait Fidei pinged you as mafia?
Post 269/807 are the only posts he's had in the game. No pinging you as mafia.
?????????
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On September 06 2015 08:43 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 08:40 NocturneMage wrote: alright you ninjaed me lol....
Wait Fidei pinged you as mafia?
Post 269/807 are the only posts he's had in the game. No pinging you as mafia.
????????? No, I don't think she means that Fidei pinged her as Mafia (as in, identified her as Mafia). She's saying he pinged her as Mafia more than boxerfred (as in, felt scummier to her). But that requires that she found this post from Fidei scummy, which seems absurd: Show nested quote +Guys I am about, but it's Friday and I went out drinking with buddies. Last time I entered a thread drunk, I nearly got lynched. So I will read and post reactions tomorrow I promise.
Yeah that's why I mentioned the double standard and the Breshke/BF, etc reads.
And Rayn, to answer your question regardless of my read on you, I'm still pretty early on here on TL, only my second forum mafia game ever, first ever as town. Maybe you know her extremely well but in a tinfoil world where you're outsmarting my newbie self and if you're both mafia, my trusting your reads is suicide. I'm probably going to be just wary of anyone's meta reads on anyone else (not just you but anyone, I am trying to ignore that in general) until I get a few more games here on this forum and I get a better grasp on this community (aside from observing games).
I mean I'm just holding Copcake to HER OWN standards and her own reads and there's a bunch of things that just don't add up. It would appear she's not new to mafia in general, she's citing voice experience but on forum experience if she's new, how do I know she's not tripping over herself? (if she's not new to forum mafia then I'll rescind and stand corrected but my prior questions still stand, there's enough things that don't add up)
And even as she says she has her own criteria, town's failure to understand that criteria isn't going to help. So if I am wrong, I want her to iron out for herself where, and I know I'm not the only one voting her down here so maybe that will help others.
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I'm out for the night. I will carry on tomorrow. Good night.
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Yamato definitely came off as playing cautious early game. I know I cited the post numbers somewhere, there were 1-2 posts that jumped out at me. If I recall correctly I think he bailed as if he felt the n00bking lynch was settled. What does he think about n00bking now?
He's been afk looks like 16h so I'd like to know who he'd lynch if hypothetically n00bking were to lose his head and get modkilled. Let's say hypothetically n00b flips town. Then who would he lynch?
End of day is 2330, right?
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Yeah alright, 2330. Anyways...
On Slam, I'm collecting his reads. But it appears if you look him up on the database, he always plays with a lot of filler.
Anyway, disregard the filler. Post 444 could be him just trying to be helpful "the talking past line" but then later in that post, he townreads yamato. It is not clear why.
rayn read is a meta read, so I'm ignoring it for now.
It would appear that his two top scumreads are Breshke and GB. He drops the Breshke scumread (653) based on tinfoil but that really doesn't make any sense, he was pushing Breshke for the better part of two pages of his filter. That part stands out as poor to me because that drop really came out of nowhere and I'm not sure what Breshke did to make him change that read. The GB vote is at least consistent with his read development.
So Slam is a null for that.
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On September 06 2015 23:48 scott31337 wrote: I could lynch boxer but it feels like policy really.
Yeah he's policy, I think Cake is better lynch.
Fidei, I get the stream of conscious argument but that's why I asked her to clarify all that. Then I get the response I got in 817.
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On September 06 2015 23:48 scott31337 wrote: I could lynch boxer but it feels like policy really.
You wanted to lynch n00bking - do you still feel the same?
Also you didn't like superbia's questioning and you said Cake's posts were really bad, so how does that all weigh into your vote?
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On September 06 2015 15:13 n00bKing wrote:Reading Scott's filter was fun btw, as relates to me. He seems to mention again every couple of posts that he feels I should be the lynch, but has never once articulated why. The closest thing you ever get from him to a "case" on his lynch target is that he thinks my posts are "bad." That's all you get. He then randomly places his vote on me, without explanation. In fact, the post where he votes against me is exclusively about other players. There is nothing at all in it that is about me, except for the unexplained vote. Later we get "D1 lynches right now are GB and N00bking and voting n00bking" but still no explanation (not even a half-assed one) for how it would make any sense to make n00bKing the Day 1 lynch. And then "I want GB or n00bking lynches though." Still no explanation for why he might want a n00bKing lynch. And then "Who are your top three scumteam? Right now for me it's GB/N00bking/Boxerfred but that's too easy" and yet again, still not even an ATTEMPT to tell anyone why he might think n00bKing could be on the scum team. But best of all is this list: Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 03:14 scott31337 wrote: MoosyDoosy - town, wants to solve game n00bKing - mafia - CoughingHydra - null - even posted? CopCake - slight townlean trying to solve Alakaslam - really posty - tinfoil like Breshke - actually want to win or change it up? Fidei86 - null - posts? scott31337 - town Superbia - a little townlean from what I read earlier started well died off GlowingBear - OMGUS smoking crack voting me - mafia lean - not interested in solving boxerfred - no posts? yamato77 - townlean - doing his yamato town "meta" Breshke - townlean - but posting wayyy too much - laid off or changing it up - townlean not D1 lynch raynpelikoneet - town hero as usual - <3 All 13 players are there. And there are only TWO of them that he has no notes for. One is himself. It just says "town." He has no notes on that player. No comments. No analysis. No nothing. And that makes sense. If he wants us to think he's playing from a Town perspective, then that one word is all he needs to have on that player. The other person he has one word and NO notes for is THE PLAYER HE'S VOTING AGAINST. No notes. No comments. No analysis. No nothing. Just parks his vote there and then proceeds to talk in detail about anything and everything BUT his lynch target. That's the one thing that always just gets glossed over quickly, and that you never get any detail about.
I observed Newbie 12 and looked him up in the database as well. I agree his thoughts are disjointed but he's done it as town. I recall in Newbie 12 he had a list post which was just as terse explanation, he had an afk vote there, and 13 he was forced to prematurely claim cop because of his gameplay.
Scott could be mafia but what you describe is not exclusive to mafia. For him anyway. If we have a cop and he gets redchecked or gets caught out at EoD voting or something more indicative, that's one thing but it would appear his gameplay is just not that obvious town in general.
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Alakaslam, can you explain why you dropped the Breshke scumread and your vote on him for seemingly zero reason?
You didn't tinfoil vote him so I don't think you can tinfoil unvote him if I am making any sense.
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On September 07 2015 00:35 Fidei86 wrote: I just re-read 817 NM, what were your thoughts on it? I don't think that "that's just how I play" is ever a good excuse for scummy play. But then again, like I said before, I don't see any particular reason to scum read her for her play. I admit that I might be biased because I've played voice Mafia with cake and she seemed very nice. But in those games she was always town and she got scum read a lot. Her responses in this game have reminded me a lot of how she played then too.
So, yeah, I won't vote to lynch her today. I'm going to go back to Slam's filter again. You said he plays with a lot of filler always - I need to try and find some of his substantive posts to really wrestle with.
That's the thing though, you basically answered my question. That was a pretty bad answer like she didn't want to respond. I know the case was made for her being non native, so I am reading around that and trying to give her a chance to explain how gb is scummy - at least alakaslam is explaining that gb isn't thinking for himself, which explains a mafia motivation/action, whether that's founded or not is a different issue.
I said to her I had trouble understanding why she's voting people or scumreading people for things that reflect town actions. I outlined that in a previous post -
On September 06 2015 06:59 NocturneMage wrote: Going through Copcake's filter as one of the issues requested - some leans I see from both alignments.
mafia - the reads on glowingbear make zero sense. First she asks him how is rayn mafia then there's zero to little follow up on gb until her list post. But there her read still doesn't make sense - if gb doesn't care whether he dies or not shouldn't that make him town? the mafia need to try and survive, at least that's what gb (lol) told me in the mafia qt from my last newbie game. Anyways, also expanding on the useless details might help here - because I saw where he returned a rebuttal on rayn's read on breshke - didn't think that was useless for example.
- also post 611 on moosydoosy - if moosydoosy is paying too much attention to her isn't that a towntell if he's pushing her? Or at least not alignment if he has to defend himself? I read around that post and I don't see how moosy is being "antagonistic".
- read on slam - alright I don't know either of her or slam so I will ignore meta. But to say that slam is town for not being antagonistic like moosy or n00bking - this is not exclusive to mafia, I just got done finishing observing the personality game and Mr. Nice Guy in Judge Judy carried mafia.
Basically this read is a bad reason to read Slam town, I am finding most of his posting nonsensical at best but for the reasons you specified it's a poor reason
Those are scumtells, admittedly your read on moosy and you pushing him is a town action, so I'm going to say a null to scum lean on you for now.
Also since you mentioned it what do you mean by pocketing? I'm sure I've heard it in my only other game but I forget the meanting now.
I haven't played voice mafia, so I can't really comment on that. I have nothing to go on except the way she presents herself here. And I tell you the same thing I am telling rayn, I don't really want to rely on metareads from other people.
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On September 07 2015 03:18 CopCake wrote: How are my reads "bad" ?
I don't get that part
I'm back but briefly, I have to run for half an hour but I will return soon.
Cake, I outlined the specific problems I had with your reads, namely (to be concise - I put in bulletpoints for each read) why you are scumreading people for towny actions. I asked you twice to explain over how those things were scummy and you failed to do it.
In general I do not understand the case against gb, Slam's posts on him are a bit disjointed (lack of original thought) but at least I can try and verify that, Cake's points against him don't make sense from a town perspective.
Yamato appears to want to lynch him and I don't understand why.
On September 07 2015 01:40 Fidei86 wrote: @n00bking
What the hell are you talking about? Information on a BF lynch? The dude has made like two posts, and the only people who have said anything are Scott and Cake. This is just such a bad argument, I don't even know where to begin. I was pretty sure you're town, but you keep digging yourself deeper and it's getting harder and harder to keep town reading you.
All that sort of contradicts with my view that we should lynch BF. Policy and posting are two totally valid reasons to lynch him imo. "Information" just isn't.
Also agree with this post in passing. if everyone votes him, or policy votes him, you really don't get a load of information, from what I've read you only get information from contested lynches.
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On September 07 2015 05:18 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 00:35 NocturneMage wrote: Alakaslam, can you explain why you dropped the Breshke scumread and your vote on him for seemingly zero reason?
You didn't tinfoil vote him so I don't think you can tinfoil unvote him if I am making any sense. Back for a bit :D Yes. I was crafting a n insane theory late at night, after going to sleep and looking at it the next day, I concluded I was in a loony tunnel and dropped it immediately.
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What in your thought process made you back track on him? You are reading as if you are so sure Breshke was your lynch.
I am specifically asking what got you out of your tunnel.
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Fidei (or James if you prefer) are you not voting n00bking because of boxerfred saying the wagons are okay - which in a way is association or maybe disassociation - or because you actually think n00bking's play is/has been town?
I see where you've gone back and forth on him and why you are voting boxerfred but there was one line in that boxerfred return post that makes me question whether it could really come from mafia.
On September 07 2015 01:05 boxerfred wrote: I think the best thing for me to do right now is to try to appear townie and pretty much try to not get policy lynched. As far as I've read, n00bKing appears to not contribute a thing, asking questions that are not related to anything important or even useful. Feels like a lot of fluff to appear active.
Skimming through CopCake's filter, I just see some hard to read posts and pressure on n00bKing, not too much evidence being brought up, just a vote. Nothing substantial although it feels like there's a high grade of activity (his filter is like 10% of the overall game by now) and she's also trying to argue and explain - so I probably wouldn't give it a scum lean.
However I'll take some more time and try to catch up, I'll probably be around EoD. No guarantee on that though, I'm tired as fuck and also ill, chilling with my laptop in my awesome bed.
I also want to say something about rayn: I shadowed him in one of the last games where he was town. He told me quite a lot about how he plays as town and there are some points that he told me that really hit this game: 1. he said he sucked at convincing people, and 2. he said he'd sometimes get really mad about other people. I think rayn is town.
The bolded is the VERY FIRST thing he says in his passage. Do you REALLY think mafia - any mafia - would put that up front? I can see why you think the rest of the return is scummy but I don't know why mafia would openly state they want to survive. Like that anyway.
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On September 07 2015 05:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Last mafia is probably NocturneMage. He intentionally avoids talking about anything brought up on noobking.
Wrong on both counts. If you read my filter, you'll see where I comment on his filter and specific posts I point out that I think could come from both alignments.
There is plenty of scummy behaviour on n00b but the main reason I'm not voting n00bking is that I think Cake is the better lynch. I've already stated why.
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On September 07 2015 05:50 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 05:36 GlowingBear wrote:Superbia, I'm home but I'm not feeling well, so I'm not going to format it well so I can take a quick nap quicker: On September 05 2015 09:15 scott31337 wrote:On September 05 2015 08:29 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 08:20 CopCake wrote: In which page the game started? 9 @rayn. I just think your expectations are too high too early like yes I get you want people to play seriously but that is difficult from the get go especially for some people and i would imagine it would lead to the game kind of fizziling out early because WTF are people going to be talking about. That coupled with the fact that you asked for a blue claim so we could lynch GB IN A NEWBIE GAME is just wrong. I get none of the "newbies" are that new but did you really think the optimal play was for someone to claim a blue role. I can understand that you want people to play seriously but I don't understand asking a blue role to claim The scenarios you suggested after someone claims are jsut as bad because any claim outside of the vigi setup is a doc, cop or JK which will just get RB'd to eternity and poof you've lost your power role on D1. Even if GB flipped scum it would hardly be worth it. On September 05 2015 08:29 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 08:20 CopCake wrote: In which page the game started? 9 @rayn. I just think your expectations are too high too early like yes I get you want people to play seriously but that is difficult from the get go especially for some people and i would imagine it would lead to the game kind of fizziling out early because WTF are people going to be talking about. That coupled with the fact that you asked for a blue claim so we could lynch GB IN A NEWBIE GAME is just wrong. I get none of the "newbies" are that new but did you really think the optimal play was for someone to claim a blue role. I can understand that you want people to play seriously but I don't understand asking a blue role to claim The scenarios you suggested after someone claims are jsut as bad because any claim outside of the vigi setup is a doc, cop or JK which will just get RB'd to eternity and poof you've lost your power role on D1. Even if GB flipped scum it would hardly be worth it. A quote and so much talk from Breshke day 1 makes me wonder if he wants to try to change his ways - which for a D1 - townlean. More Breshke walls of text - GB smoking/drinking again - and follow his opposite On September 05 2015 08:23 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 08:12 Superbia wrote: Do you really think GB is mafia here? I don't care i stopped reading his posts. I hope a vigilante shoots him. Ok, you're mafia ##Vote: Rayn Re-read Supers post here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24820236- + Show Spoiler +On September 05 2015 08:33 Superbia wrote: I'm about to head off. Won't be around tomorrow until around this time. Some incoherent thoughts (pretty tired).
Think rayn's response to GB's claim is over the top. I don't think there is any need for any blue to out at the moment. Pretty sure we can get productive d1 going without any blue shenanigans. Actually kinda makes me dislike rayn, but I had townie vibes from him early on so whatever. Also he just called me town so I'm fine with him being town for now.
Curious to see what comes off rayn/yamato co-op stuff.
Initially disliked yamato's opening. After what rayn just said it's okay for now. Interested in rayn's follow up opinion.
Don't really like moosy I think. Especially the purposely random typing (different from pre-game). Also can't really find a reasoning behind his posts yet (might be bc I'm tired).
Dislike breshke who feels bitter in his latest post (mafia trait imo). Feels weird to see him admit to scummy-esque things. IDK what he's doing as either alignment. Have to see later.
GB is idk. Don't really care about the (fake) claim that much tbh.
Rest also IDK.
So yeah. Follow rayn for now probably. Don't claim blue though. No matter what he says. I'll see where you guys are at tomorrow. Good information but I'm already blitzed. N00bking's posts bad like last game. He's my worst right now. Rayn town Yamato doing shit - town This post may appear contributive at first glance but it's basically a summary of the thread at that point and reads accordingly to thread sentiment, bringing nothing new to the table. Why is Rayn town, why he is so quick to give yamato a townread like that? Why just saying I'm "drinking" again, discrediting me? It's a bunch of rehash with an attempt of looking contributive without actually contributing. He then starts to post reads accordingly to his progression on the pages of thread, cluttering the thread with partial and outdated information he keeps further reevaluating instead of just giving his opinion on one big post. My problem with this is that he is again trying to look contributive while not actually being contributive. Worse. He is cluttering the thread just to show "look, I'm doing stuff!" instead of interacting and actually search for Mafia. He is very bold when he gives reads. Calls Nocturne "town" with no back reqsoning when he was suspicious of mage's slot. He gives 3 names of people he thinks are Mafia and he could lynch (sayinf maybe I'm not Mafia an cake is) but posts this: On September 06 2015 23:48 scott31337 wrote: I could lynch boxer but it feels like policy really. For someone who has 3-4 scumreads, this is extremely scummy. Why is he okay with boxer's lynch if he has THREE better targets and he even ADMITS boxer is only a policy? I see no better lynch. People's opinions on this?
First half is weak - I already explained why. Scott seems to have a habit (from having read/observed past games, namely the last couple of newbies, where he's exhibited similar bheaviour as town. List posts aren't well explained, the explanations aren't thought out. He could be mafia but it's not for this.
So I pushed for more information. The second half where scott is feeling boxerfred lynch, made me go back through his filter to see where he was on his scumreads. That one-liner is scummy when he had sttronger scumreads.
I put out questions to Scott on where he stood on people because of that. He talks about gb but considering I'm not convinced on any of the cases on gb, I am curious to hear from him why.
yamato is saying he doesn't agree with gb's posting but unless I missed it I want to see specifics because nothing is jumpting out at me now.
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On September 07 2015 05:55 yamato77 wrote: Scum GB does not necessarily make sense. His reads do not mean anything. He even has this little contrived idea of scumreading one town and one mafia, and townreading one town and one mafia. Reading him based on thread flow is bad.
He is, however, effectively opting out of any serious lynch discussion and seems absolutely content with the lynch going through while his vote goes elsewhere. His motivations? Perhaps to distance himself from the lynch and appear to have his own ideas. As town I think GB would be more vocal about a realistic lynch choice.
Alright. Ignoring the meta, this is something I can work with. I need to afk but when I return I'll pick right back up on this.
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On September 07 2015 05:58 Superbia wrote: I think GB's view on scott is pretty okay.
I think the second point on his case is valid, first half is weak since the behaviour isn't exclusively mafia.
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I am back. Going through n00bking and gb's filters now.
On September 07 2015 06:47 Superbia wrote: Oh yeah. Opinions on noobking/glowingbear/copcake please pre-flip. From everyone.
Noobking- Mafia Glowingbear- Neutral (town-lean before but yamato/rayn buttfucking town-lean) Copcake- No idea.
n00bking - scumlean based on last posts (prior to me afking) gb - no strong read prior to yamato's comment - re-evaluating now copcake - mafia
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Just finished reading GB's filter. The "scummy lurker" argument makes sense and I know Scott did give a reason for calling me town (gb said otherwise) - he quoted a post that he felt was towny, and that was the explanation I felt. Also he's saying he "could" lynch boxer. I still threw the questions at Scott in case he was wavering.
That said yamato's argument for him not voting either wagon makes sense, but gb IS saying the copcake wagon is bad because he's not seeing scum. He engages n00b early on and he seems to give him a pass based on his effort. He should have done some followup though. Slight scum lean.
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Damn I got ninjaed, hold on.
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On September 07 2015 07:18 Fidei86 wrote: Ugh. Claim has any likelihood of being true? I think we should switch off.
Alone it could go either way. I thought everyone was just bullshitting at the beginning of the phase, so I didn't pay any attention.
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Fidei, vote Copcake please. Moosy, you were going to present a case on her - let's see it.
When is eod?
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Also agreed with yam on the gf argument. There could also possibly be a framer too.
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Actually take that back, only 5 minutes. Forget that then.
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On September 07 2015 07:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 07:24 NocturneMage wrote: Fidei, vote Copcake please. Moosy, you were going to present a case on her - let's see it.
When is eod? this guy is scum.
Wrong.
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On September 07 2015 07:53 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 07:52 Fidei86 wrote:On September 07 2015 07:50 Superbia wrote:On September 07 2015 07:48 Fidei86 wrote:On September 07 2015 07:44 Superbia wrote: Also Fidei86's switch to some random wagon was pretty scummy. What, because I didn't want to be on the n00b wagon? Meh. I'm not sure that GB's claim left town much choice, and I should have gone straight to n00b, but only because I liked him less than Cake, not because I thought he was Mafia. Nah, because you should be switching to save the doctor. At 10m before EoD you chose to believe the claim and switched. Which means you wanted to save the doctor. But you go on some wagon no one is on. Makes me feel like "hey guys at least I switched lol". IDK. All I can say is that I'd been town-reading Cake and NK all day, basically, and I really didn't want to vote for either. You're right, I had to, but I was stubborn at first. Not much more I can say about it really. Maybe, I didn't really review your filter too much so I didn't have that mentally noted down. I might double check this tomorrow but I'll probably take your word for it since people are likely to call you out if this is bullshit.
Read his filter, the progression makes sense. he saw both alignments in n00bking and got paranoid with boxerfred saying both wagons were okay.
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On September 07 2015 07:57 GlowingBear wrote: Now fucking lynch scott and Rayn
rayn, definitely not,
scott, do you have something stronger than what you previously posted? Because I don't think his play is mafia exclusive.
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I'm thinking one possible focus are the more or less under the radar players. n00b said something along the lines of rayn "doing all the work for them" not saying the entire team is inactive but they can afford to lay back if town are stumbling about in the wrong direction.
Alakaslam. Breshke, boxerfred, MD to a lesser extent.
I had a null on yamato until his eod activity, and thinking he's probable town.
Went through Breshke filter just now. The post 858 he has says something about slam being townie for backing down, and it seemed to be based on tone. Slam had attributed some tinfoil theory that made him back off Breshke, but reading Breshke's filter the manner in which he pushed slam was townie. But then the drop just seems pretty weak.
Slam could be trying to appease him, it seems from the games I've read or observed, people tend to be biased or townread them for townreading them back regardless of alignment. Doesn't vindicate slam, at least I don't think it should, but it doesn't necessarily mean Breshke is mafia from this.
The only thing that gave me pause was when he looked at other people. Also 858.
"I'm probably okay with lynching noobking. For how much he has been in the thread I don't actually remember him pushing much of anything"
Pretty sure n00b was interacting/pushing rayn at least the first half of the cycle.
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On September 06 2015 06:30 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 06:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 06 2015 06:03 n00bKing wrote:On September 06 2015 02:10 yamato77 wrote: n00bKing wrote: On THIS site, it seems like the games usually have a few dim bulbs. It's a lower level of play than I'm used to, and I'm still trying to make adjustments. This is an example of such an adjustment. Fucking LOL pot, kettle, black Mmmm, NO. It was only my SECOND game here on this site, when I asked the other players if they knew of any good places to play Mafia-by-Forum. Because this ain't it. Players here don't care, players here don't try, and I don't think some of them would know how to try even if they wanted to. But I had said I would play in Moosy's 4th and final Newbie game, so here I am. stop bitching. this is the site with the most quality mafia games on the internet. why is cake mafia? Most games, maybe, which is why I came here. Because the places I like to play don't have games as frequently. But there's no quality here. Cake is suspicious because her vote against me comes in an obvious pile-on position for Scum that is looking for a safe place to land. She continually says things about Moosy that are not true, and projects onto him her own scummy behaviors, as though she's watching a mirror instead of watching him. She is also overly defensive in situations that don't call for it. Which is not always a Scum trait, but is seen from Scum more often than from Town, in my experience. GlowingBear and Scott (mostly GB) have cited specific posts from CopCake that are suspicious, and I had similar findings.
For future reference, as some of the bolded wasn't in my original case, particularly the vote. I also took issue with her points on moosy, and she never resolved this.
Past midnight here so I'll return tomorrow. Good night.
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On September 07 2015 08:29 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 08:00 NocturneMage wrote:On September 07 2015 07:57 GlowingBear wrote: Now fucking lynch scott and Rayn rayn, definitely not, scott, do you have something stronger than what you previously posted? Because I don't think his play is mafia exclusive. Without a Doc/Vig/JK/Vet claim I guess I have to believe him, but there's no point claiming before D2 and getting RB'ed anyway.
That was a poor phrasing on my part. That post was actually directed at gb to provide a stronger case on you.
Not saying you need to provide a stronger case on gb.
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MD, my focus has been largely on noob/gb/cake (the wagons) or other players I had issues with (slam) since I replaced in.
Didn't really get a chance anyhow to look that close at you, all that comes to mind on you is cake pushing you for what I thought was poor reasons.
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MD you also said you were going to post or place a case or something against Cake.
I forgot how close we were to eod when I last asked but what were your main points prior to lynch?
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A) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Doctor, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
If gb's claim is true, and for now we assume it is - then there's definitely a cop about. And no framer to mess about.
I'd recommend to check into breshke/boxer/slam. MD has a 7 page filter which can be sorted out.
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That's a pretty bad read you have on me in general. I see what you mean about the part about where it's impossible for Cake and n00b to be mafia part but that doesn't make me (or anyone having that read) mafia. The comment you also quoted was off the cuff, that wasn't made after reading the thread.
As for me not listening to you, I've already explained why and I've explained my reasons.
I won't speak for the other scumreads you have, but especially given n00b's lynch (and your remarks to that lynch, something along the lines of I can't believe he played that way) has it ever occurred to you that sometimes townies (especially in a newbie game!!!) do play suboptimally?
Just because something doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean that person is necessarily mafia.
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On September 08 2015 07:57 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2015 07:52 scott31337 wrote: GG's yamato - makes things interesting.
I really like rayn's and boxer's post - I could sheep them - Fidei's been off and showing his contradictions like that shows. Sounds like a pretty good lynch.
Makes me want to re-read slam's filter and see if there is any substance to it or a bunch words. I disagree. Rayn is a good player but his play here is completely off. His scumread here is based solely on a night kill wifom (pointed out by fidei), he even decided I not the doctor because yamato was shot LOL Other person that has been falling is Superbia. He started well, got slight townreads and his play turned out to be completely forgettable after that. What are his scumreads? Who does he want to lynch? He seems extremely disinterested in that and simply lets the game carry on.
I think Superbia posted that he wanted to lynch Slam end of night 1.
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Also for nightkills having played mafia my last game, it only makes sense that mafia kills the people that are on the right track or are on to them. Skimmed yamato's filter quick and he had more or less a scumteam of gb/moosy and one other, so him voting moosy isn't bad if he assumes he's mafia.
I looked at Slam's filter again, most of it is filler, but he seems to be going back and forth on Superbia if you read pages 7-9 of his filter. I agree with all the points so far being made that Superbia has light town reads and doesn't seem to be having reads on people as much as the others, but his post-lynch questioning of moosydoosy and fidei is probably towny. I'm ignoring Slam's filler but I don't understand his wavering on Superbia either.
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MD, I'm here, but I'm doing a load of filter diving at the moment.
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EBWOP - "voting moosy isn't bad if he assumes he's mafia based on yamato dying"
yeah it's wifom but it's generally the norm from what I've seen.
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On September 08 2015 08:13 MoosyDoosy wrote: i don't understand this lynch at all. the most that i can come up with is that they were trying to frame me because rayn was the obvious lynch. but then that means gb has to be town too. ugh.
On September 08 2015 08:20 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2015 08:17 GlowingBear wrote:On September 08 2015 08:14 Fidei86 wrote:On September 08 2015 08:12 GlowingBear wrote:On September 08 2015 08:09 Fidei86 wrote: o.O
Okay, well that makes d2 a little more ... interesting. Easier too!
It's not really a hard decision for me here. I see no reason for a scum rayn to CC. We're not likely to lynch him this turn, and it's waaaaaay too early for him to be using the CC to try and save his mafia allies. It's just way to sub-optimal.
Also, rayn's rage, while kind of ... you know ... cluttering ... makes sense from what I read of his meta.
His switch off GB right at the end is a little bit suspect - if he is actually the cop then why move your vote? But maybe he figured that if he stayed on it then he would out himself as the cop? IDK. I think if I'm in his position then I probably just stay on GB. But, it's not like this game has been played optimally so far.
It's gotta be GB boys.
##Vote: Glowing Bear Lolwut? Apart from the doc/cop confusion, what part of this don't you understand? I don't understand how you can not identify that his claim is fake. He voted me, then Moosy doosy, then he said I am the most anti town player. Use your mind. If he was really the doc, would he move out of my lynch on day1?Your sheep here is extremely bad and opportunistic IDK. That's the only reason I have for even doubting his CC for a second. But it's nowhere near enough to go against the fact that his CC makes absolutely no sense from a mafia perspective whatsoever, and although rayn is raging, he's not an idiot.
Trying to digest this and the bolded is the part that I'm confused on. I still largely agree with the idea that it's weird why he wouldn't stay on GB, but to think and be paranoid he'd out himself as cop? Nah, the switches as I recalled happened so quickly that no one had time to think about giving themselves away as cop like that. There was what, like a few minutes left when it all went down?
And MD I don't know how the post you quoted, how it makes Fidei mafia. Unless you think he's mafia for his voting behaviour, which I do agree itself is scummy.
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On September 08 2015 08:24 Breshke wrote: GB I think it is plausible in a world where rayn is the doctor and think there is a possibility you are claiming as VT hence most anti town player
Does he actually have a history of doing this? I don't know what town motivation it would be to fakeclaim a role when you risk drawing out a blue role. And shouldn't someone experienced (I was coached by him last game??) know better?
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On September 08 2015 08:28 Alakaslam wrote: ...
What have you the impression Rayn claimed cop?
On September 08 2015 07:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also i am a doctor.
What are you trying to say?
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I meant doctor lol. I read Fidei's post and I'm being an idiot right now.
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I'm also trying to multitask as well, still reading filters, namely Superbia's at the moment.
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On September 08 2015 09:09 MoosyDoosy wrote: i need to take a step back from this game. basically my entire game view is based off of the fact that copcake is scum but for some reason no one is reading her the same way that i am.
Ignoring all the crap with the claims and before the claims, I felt copcake was mafia based on her filter and her list post was pretty faulty. I didn't like how she dodged questions. Additionally if she's convinced glowingbear is mafia, then I'm surprised she isnt' trying to find his partners in the meanwhile. On the other hand she was pushing him relentlessly and even if she is right (even if for bad reasons) it's (somewhat?) unlikely she's try and bus him on teh first day. That's where my head is on that issue.
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In the meantime I went carefully through alakaslams filter - alright, so his reasons for flip flopping on superbia were legit - namely he saw fidei's post about superbia not committing to reads.
It was extremely tenuous to follow all that though and though superbia posed a question as to what made him mafia, slam throws a very weird response "reconsidering you" - why don't you just say "fidei's post made me reconsider you" or something more direct, just seems awkward wording there. IDK.
Now having read superbia's filter in the meanwhile and having my own opinions, I am curious as to the followup from slam on that not just with fidei's post but also post-lynch. Especially since I saw posts 1392 and 1460, slam's only other scumread besides gb is superbia.
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On September 08 2015 09:30 Superbia wrote: Why is copcake mafia?
Hang on. I kept hammering the same post home d1. Going to find it again lol.
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This is NOT my case/points, but these are some points presented against her:
On September 06 2015 06:30 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 06:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 06 2015 06:03 n00bKing wrote:On September 06 2015 02:10 yamato77 wrote: n00bKing wrote: On THIS site, it seems like the games usually have a few dim bulbs. It's a lower level of play than I'm used to, and I'm still trying to make adjustments. This is an example of such an adjustment. Fucking LOL pot, kettle, black Mmmm, NO. It was only my SECOND game here on this site, when I asked the other players if they knew of any good places to play Mafia-by-Forum. Because this ain't it. Players here don't care, players here don't try, and I don't think some of them would know how to try even if they wanted to. But I had said I would play in Moosy's 4th and final Newbie game, so here I am. stop bitching. this is the site with the most quality mafia games on the internet. why is cake mafia? Most games, maybe, which is why I came here. Because the places I like to play don't have games as frequently. But there's no quality here. Cake is suspicious because her vote against me comes in an obvious pile-on position for Scum that is looking for a safe place to land. She continually says things about Moosy that are not true, and projects onto him her own scummy behaviors, as though she's watching a mirror instead of watching him. She is also overly defensive in situations that don't call for it. Which is not always a Scum trait, but is seen from Scum more often than from Town, in my experience. GlowingBear and Scott (mostly GB) have cited specific posts from CopCake that are suspicious, and I had similar findings.
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superbia -
On September 06 2015 06:59 NocturneMage wrote: Going through Copcake's filter as one of the issues requested - some leans I see from both alignments.
mafia - the reads on glowingbear make zero sense. First she asks him how is rayn mafia then there's zero to little follow up on gb until her list post. But there her read still doesn't make sense - if gb doesn't care whether he dies or not shouldn't that make him town? the mafia need to try and survive, at least that's what gb (lol) told me in the mafia qt from my last newbie game. Anyways, also expanding on the useless details might help here - because I saw where he returned a rebuttal on rayn's read on breshke - didn't think that was useless for example.
- also post 611 on moosydoosy - if moosydoosy is paying too much attention to her isn't that a towntell if he's pushing her? Or at least not alignment if he has to defend himself? I read around that post and I don't see how moosy is being "antagonistic".
- read on slam - alright I don't know either of her or slam so I will ignore meta. But to say that slam is town for not being antagonistic like moosy or n00bking - this is not exclusive to mafia, I just got done finishing observing the personality game and Mr. Nice Guy in Judge Judy carried mafia.
Basically this read is a bad reason to read Slam town, I am finding most of his posting nonsensical at best but for the reasons you specified it's a poor reason
Those are scumtells, admittedly your read on moosy and you pushing him is a town action, so I'm going to say a null to scum lean on you for now.
Also since you mentioned it what do you mean by pocketing? I'm sure I've heard it in my only other game but I forget the meanting now.
On September 07 2015 00:35 Fidei86 wrote: I just re-read 817 NM, what were your thoughts on it? I don't think that "that's just how I play" is ever a good excuse for scummy play. But then again, like I said before, I don't see any particular reason to scum read her for her play. I admit that I might be biased because I've played voice Mafia with cake and she seemed very nice. But in those games she was always town and she got scum read a lot. Her responses in this game have reminded me a lot of how she played then too.
So, yeah, I won't vote to lynch her today. I'm going to go back to Slam's filter again. You said he plays with a lot of filler always - I need to try and find some of his substantive posts to really wrestle with.
That's the thing though, you basically answered my question. That was a pretty bad answer like she didn't want to respond. I know the case was made for her being non native, so I am reading around that and trying to give her a chance to explain how gb is scummy - at least alakaslam is explaining that gb isn't thinking for himself, which explains a mafia motivation/action, whether that's founded or not is a different issue.
I said to her I had trouble understanding why she's voting people or scumreading people for things that reflect town actions. I outlined that in a previous post -
On September 06 2015 06:59 NocturneMage wrote: Going through Copcake's filter as one of the issues requested - some leans I see from both alignments.
mafia - the reads on glowingbear make zero sense. First she asks him how is rayn mafia then there's zero to little follow up on gb until her list post. But there her read still doesn't make sense - if gb doesn't care whether he dies or not shouldn't that make him town? the mafia need to try and survive, at least that's what gb (lol) told me in the mafia qt from my last newbie game. Anyways, also expanding on the useless details might help here - because I saw where he returned a rebuttal on rayn's read on breshke - didn't think that was useless for example.
- also post 611 on moosydoosy - if moosydoosy is paying too much attention to her isn't that a towntell if he's pushing her? Or at least not alignment if he has to defend himself? I read around that post and I don't see how moosy is being "antagonistic".
- read on slam - alright I don't know either of her or slam so I will ignore meta. But to say that slam is town for not being antagonistic like moosy or n00bking - this is not exclusive to mafia, I just got done finishing observing the personality game and Mr. Nice Guy in Judge Judy carried mafia.
Basically this read is a bad reason to read Slam town, I am finding most of his posting nonsensical at best but for the reasons you specified it's a poor reason
Those are scumtells, admittedly your read on moosy and you pushing him is a town action, so I'm going to say a null to scum lean on you for now.
Also since you mentioned it what do you mean by pocketing? I'm sure I've heard it in my only other game but I forget the meanting now.
I haven't played voice mafia, so I can't really comment on that. I have nothing to go on except the way she presents herself here. And I tell you the same thing I am telling rayn, I don't really want to rely on metareads from other people.
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now here's the kicker, this was all d1. if gb flips scum, it's this stuff that whilst it makes it unlikely that cake is or would get a teammate killed d1, the reasons she specified in her list post are poor. For example, slam is nice therefore is town. Really? Personality Mafia anyone? In general not every scum player is or acts like a dick.
When you also take that and combine it with the fact that a few of us are struggling to make sense of Slam's filter and are finding it much more tenuous (save for people who might know him that well like yamato) it makes that read look much worse. Cake seems to be inexperienced so it doesn't make sense that she's just townread him off something easily like that.
The read on moosy also seemed like a weasal argument as well - I read around her response to him and Moosy had pretty well laid out explanations as for his reads to her.
The gb read I explained was faulty because she was scumreading him for what was a town behaviour.
There's that and the overall argument from Scott that she's very much in the backseat aside that list post. Though according to n00bking there was some other argument from him IDK.
Now at this juncture gb's flip will give me some pause, but that was my overall issue with her d1 prior to the entire doctor claims that went down.
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On September 08 2015 09:46 CopCake wrote: > cake is mafia because the dude that was lynched believed that
yeah is the best case ever
get a nobel prize ready already pls.
It's not that he believed you were mafia, it's WHY. Please.
And now that you are here, here's a question -
so if gb flips mafia, who are his partners and why?
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Yeah MD I also took issue with #3, she blew that out of proportion by saying you were antagonising her. Like I read around her response to you. Her comment against you is bullshit.
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On September 08 2015 09:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2015 09:52 NocturneMage wrote: Yeah MD I also took issue with #3, she blew that out of proportion by saying you were antagonising her. Like I read around her response to you. Her comment against you is bullshit. what do you think about the case in general?
I think the case overall is excellent. #1 and 3 were points that n00bking alluded to, and #3 and #5 were similar to the ideas I was hammering home.
I'm also not impressed she couldn't readily produce the associative reads off her top scum read.
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On September 08 2015 09:55 CopCake wrote:You are going to vote me when there is confirmed mafia in glowing bear? wtf? yeah gg you are the other mafia
Honestly if MD were mafia and his scummate had gotten counterclaimed by Mr. Town Leader, most mafia would just go full bus mode and blend in, not draw full out attention like this especially drawing the ire of said Town Leader. There's nothing scummy about someone who makes a case and believes in his case, he's believed it in from the off. It's on you to poke holes in it.
I'd argue he's pretty towny on a day we could easily go so-called autopilot and fuck off based on this counterclaim, he's still doing a load of work.
So far you haven't been able to refute any of the points made against you. Nor have you answered any of the questions posed since d1.
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On September 08 2015 10:21 Breshke wrote: I'm fine with people looking for other mafia but you should be voting GB
I am.
Another interesting observation - more questions from superbia (to md) not much doing with them. Even asked for the case, I wonder what he thinks of the case on cake.
I know it's late here but he WAS around.
No followup on his alakaslam suspicion either. superbia, can you point out where in the filter slam's push on your is scummy?
or is there something in his filter besides the push you feel is a problem?
It's 2:30am here. This is it for me. Good night.
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On September 08 2015 21:53 Fidei86 wrote: Okay I can't help myself.
MD: "reads" aren't the most important thing here. We have a claim and a counter-claim. Look at the circumstances. Rayn's makes sense, GB's doesn't. reads can feed into that, but having a "read" on someone like Cake, be stronger than the claim analysis just strikes me as super-duper weird. I shouldn't have to explain this.
+1
Also like I said last night, there's one caveat to Cake being mafia and that's the fact she pushed gb most of day 1, although as I alluded to her list post, it was for bad reasons. A day 1 bus is unlikely for most people from what I understand but if gb was getting enough pressure by the time she really started pushing him, a bus situation may be more realistic. I have not looked at that quite closely yet but it was something that came to mind looking through the people that were pushing gb day 1.
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Also in reference to what boxerfred said about the filter diving, maybe I wasn't clear but I looked at the slam/superbia interactions and especially when you look at what superbia threw last night without any followup and slam's reasoning for changing his stance on superbia even if it wasn't particularly articulate, I think slam comes off looking much better and superbia quite worse.
he balks d1 at not being town leader or something like that, he asks for the case on copcake, and his only scumread for what I could tell was slam which amounts to a bit of omgus. I looked into slam's read change or potential read change on superbia and it makes sense, the change based on fidei's reads on him.
Someone (scott? or was it fidei?) mentioned there was a lot of questions coming from him and not a lot of "doing" with those questions. so since you're here fidei, can we talk about superbia? I think he has a pretty realistic chance of being scum.
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Actually that goes for anyone really who might be suspicious of him, not just Fidei.
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I've observed/read enough games (two at least) where autopilot mentality has cost town. which is why I thought md was probable town, he isn't just fucking off, and he's made it clear he's not willing to split votes (post 1597) but still wants to get his point across on a case he believes in.
MD if you are still here who do you think the final scum could be? (assuming gb flips red and if copcake is mafia in your world)
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On September 08 2015 22:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Not really, we are looking for 1 more scum. And at this point i am biased of thinking NM is the last scum because he cannot realize Cake cannot possibly be mafia.
On September 08 2015 21:58 NocturneMage wrote: Also like I said last night, there's one caveat to Cake being mafia and that's the fact she pushed gb most of day 1, although as I alluded to her list post, it was for bad reasons. A day 1 bus is unlikely for most people from what I understand but if gb was getting enough pressure by the time she really started pushing him, a bus situation may be more realistic. I have not looked at that quite closely yet but it was something that came to mind looking through the people that were pushing gb day 1.
?????
I said this before last night as well.
I'm scumreading cake based on her behaviour and Scott even mentioned the filter was poor list post aside. But I am willing to re-evaluate.
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Okay seriously.
Look at page 7 of Superbia's filter we have the following -
Scumread on MD that amounts to TMI on n00bking. Scumread on Fidei that is related to his voting - and he hasn't followed up since. Scumread on Alakaslam where Alakaslam mentions in each of his posts why the town read on superbia is there and why he's re-evaluating (fidei's post), he's even said he's reconsidering and still had to look up superbia. So I don't know where superbia gets "soft pushing" from.
It's basically that both needed to follow up there, but the point remains.
Then superbia asks md whether gb is town or mafia, and asks for the case on copcake, and he just isn't or had not done anything with it.
And he was present when the claim situation went down, he has yet to vote.
So I'm curious to see where he stands on fidei and md because regardless of the claim analysis there's serious lack of followup from his end, although the fact he's not even taken a stance on the claim situation just looks really bad too.
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rayn, here's the thing, her play has been scummy to me, so I can't ignore that. I don't think in terms of absolutes either as the claim situation from gb is stronger than my read (or any read) on cake and I'm working backwards on that and looking at all possibilities.
that's why I'm talking about a possible bus in a world where gb and cake are both mafia, do I think it's likely, probably not, but her gameplay has me thinking twice. I'd hate to have just entirely ignored the possibility where someone (anyone) makes a sick bus early on in the game and then rides that cred to victory.
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and yet again I can't tell why you'd assume illogical = mafia. several situations I've observed where "illogical" townies have gotten mislynched in these games. or where townies have played suboptimally and just mafia-sided hard.
If you think my scum reading copcake is mafia driven or flawed (or with md's) I'm surprised she hasn't refuted the points made. Personally I understand the confirmation bias argument with some of the points made by md, but to me it's just when you take all those points together, you have a fairly strong case.
Even if you or her think the case is bad if she was town, I don't get why she isn't carrying on and looking for the other two scum or in her world where gb and md are scum, the last scum. At some point, to me, any town just sitting back and not doing anything isn't going to help.
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On September 08 2015 22:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2015 22:24 NocturneMage wrote: rayn, here's the thing, her play has been scummy to me, so I can't ignore that. I don't think in terms of absolutes either as the claim situation from gb is stronger than my read (or any read) on cake and I'm working backwards on that and looking at all possibilities.
that's why I'm talking about a possible bus in a world where gb and cake are both mafia, do I think it's likely, probably not, but her gameplay has me thinking twice. I'd hate to have just entirely ignored the possibility where someone (anyone) makes a sick bus early on in the game and then rides that cred to victory. Let's assume you believe the second part you wrote is true. How can you possibly ever think anyone is mafia if "anything is possible"?
I don't understand where that second question comes from.
It's an either/or situation:
Cake is town and her push on gb was towny. Cake is mafia and had a strategy where she pushed gb for the cred.
Where day 1 busses are rare, you look at someone's behavior and weigh that against (1) the timing and content of her push and (2) the behaviour of other players in the game (ie if enough of them are towny, you could poe her out)
Which ultimately gauges how likely she is to be mafia.
Based on my thoughts about her behaviour that is why the bus thing is still a possibility.
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rayn, is the main reason you are scumreading md because yamato died? or because of his push on copcake? or a combination of both? you have scott talking about confirmation bias (which indicates a town read or a town playing suboptimally) so how is it or where is it that you think what he's doing is mafia driven (wifom aside)?
honest question, what am I missing that goes beyond you saying someone (md or myself) is illogical and is actually mafia driven?
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soooooooooooooooooooooo.........
Does anyone want to talk about superbia possibly being mafia?
Any takers?
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Or comment on what I posted (post 1612, page 81).
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I have a work seminar in 10 minutes so I'll be back later.
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hey md, I have a question for you......I took a crazy dive into cake's filter because her gameplay is so scummy - you are okay with a gb lynch, and given claim analysis gb flips mafia, that is the world for now.
what is mafia motivation for cake to make a sick bus on gb for cred? that was theory 2 and I evaluated the areas where she could be bussing, but the points (mafia motivation) don't add up.
I typed out a long post. hold on.
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On September 09 2015 05:32 MoosyDoosy wrote: The funny thing is that I looked at a game where rayn + CopCake were mafia. And guess what! She made shitty scum cases on rayn from D1 and throughout the whole game which the other townies cleared up, making them both look townie off of it.
...Sound like GB + CopCake? Nah, I'm probably wrong right?
Continuing to read.
- what is the game in question? link please? it wasn't tropical storm I don't think...
so you are saying cake has a history of bussing d1? let me post what I have - we can discuss - if there are enough parallels, then you have a case.
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On September 09 2015 03:31 Fidei86 wrote: I liked Superbia's effort in his list post earlier, but I totally disagree with his Slam read. I basically think I need to get to grips with Cake, because I think figuring out her alignment will make this a bunch easier. I'm out this evening but I'll be back on tonight.
at current count, I am counting 4-5 people saying cake isn't mafia based on the whole voice mafia thing. despite rayn asking why I wasn't listening to him on cake being town I explained I wasn't trusting one read (and I was town reading rayn/null on yamato until after eod but still didn't matter). with more people saying this, well not all of you can be mafia, so going to rely on ockham's razor for this one.
given rayn's long posts of reactions - I can see why he'd delay wanting to claim like that and what he did with gb. also I don't see why the mafia would risk 9% chance of hitting the medic save (1/11 chance) and the optimum play for mafia is to kill the doctor (or jailer, neither can ever save themselves) which is a guaranteed kill. rayns reasons make sense. agreed that gb is the lynch today.
that doesn't change for me.
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that all said, running on the assumption that gb is and will flip mafia and given my suspicions of cake given her overall gameplay in this game, I decided to check into how early she was going off on gb.
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/493411-newbie-student-mafia-xiv-firefly?page=12#229 post 229 - first questioning of gb - how is rayn mafia - 2h into the game
nothing from her on gb at all until: post 698 is list post/mafia lean on gb about 23h into the day. so that's pretty early to try and bus I feel.
- even if she's right on scumreading gb correctly, the reasons are a bit shaky as stated before but the timing is pretty damn early for the bus or even since it was "mafia lean" it is still pretty early to draw attention like that to a partner when n00bking and md were higher on the radar
next 20-24h elapse - no real pushing on gb although she keeps continually listing him as a scumread under n00bking/md
closer to eod - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/493411-newbie-student-mafia-xiv-firefly?page=59#1178 post 1178 - I actually cannot see a mafia motivation for a partner initially voting gb prior to the claim when she states preference for two other people (one of we know now is a mislynch, mafia would push the mislynch)
- the only thing I can think of again is a sick bus situation where that was communicated in mafia qt, but again, this goes against the more likely logic of her (1) not drawing attention to cake (2) voting a partner over a mislynch
this post is actually townie if you think about it http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/493411-newbie-student-mafia-xiv-firefly?page=64#1270 post 1270 - gb claiming with scant time left gives town no time to think, not sure why she'd call a partner on it
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tldr - assuming gb flips mafia, copcake might actually be town.
- too early drawing negative attention to gb (23h into the 48h cycle) - voting gb pre-claim when a mislynch was more easily available - calling out gb not claiming earlier 3m prior to eod
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caveat - now of course again, this is assuming gb flips mafia. if gb flips blue/green, then as superbia said, real problem on our hands, and to me, copcake is in even more trouble given the manner she pushed gb (nevermind n00bking although that read actually made sense when the others didn't) and this also fits in line with superbia saying that rayn doesn't get a pass and scum is likely in someone that hard aligned with him - she being a major candidate.
but not thinking caveat world yet unless gb flips town
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so md, if she has a history of bussing my question to you is how early did she call out her partner?
where is the game in question?
looked at the database - there is no listing under copcake
unless I'm being an idiot again
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On September 09 2015 05:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2015 05:37 NocturneMage wrote: hey md, I have a question for you......I took a crazy dive into cake's filter because her gameplay is so scummy - you are okay with a gb lynch, and given claim analysis gb flips mafia, that is the world for now.
what is mafia motivation for cake to make a sick bus on gb for cred? that was theory 2 and I evaluated the areas where she could be bussing, but the points (mafia motivation) don't add up.
I typed out a long post. hold on. It's not even a "sick bus". Look through her filter. Literally all her posts throughout this game have been weak cases designed to scum read everyone. The only person she's basically been buddying with is rayn as he's the town leader. At this point it's not even a "sick bus." She's just scum reading everyone, posts little, tries to rile up others, and comes off looking townie because people think she's trying to do work in the thread and there's no way to associate with others because she's already scum read them (besides rayn).
you misunderstood.
I don't mean copcake bussing rayn. I mean copcake bussing gb. I know where you are getting the sentiment of copcake buddying to rayn but that's not what I'm discussing.
I agree her list post is overall terrible. I agree her overall gameplay has been terrible. however I'm not debating this.
that wasnt' up for debate.
that's why I looked at her even closer because we're in the world where gb flips red because it's generally NOT likely scum bus d1.
but I am asking you to consider the mitigating factors that don't make sense from a mafia perspective.
namely what I bolded in my wall of text.
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On September 09 2015 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2015 05:32 MoosyDoosy wrote: The funny thing is that I looked at a game where rayn + CopCake were mafia. which game would that be?
I know, can't find that in the database. she isn't even in the database.
I asked because I wanted to compare/contrast when/how copcake bussed in a game she was said to have bussed. I've pointed out the key issues in this game, now to see if that matches up.
md, we need the game in question please.
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On September 09 2015 05:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2015 05:44 NocturneMage wrote: so md, if she has a history of bussing my question to you is how early did she call out her partner?
where is the game in question?
looked at the database - there is no listing under copcake
unless I'm being an idiot again the database has been outdated for a long time l0l. i only have one of my games listed there. ugh. you're making me go back and look for her past scum games.
MD this is simply not true.
On September 08 2015 11:41 kitaman27 wrote: Filter links have been updates as of 9/7/15.
Filter links were updated yesterday.
I followed personality mafia. kitaman aliased as judgejudy - most recent game finished.
so how is it that personality mafia is in the database and this game you cite is not?
updated but yesterday.
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edit: and kita is american so I assume that's 7 sept not 9 july.
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that aside md....
if there is no parallel game where copcake has a history of bussing early I have to assume she bussed too early for a normal mafia play. that is unlikely.
the only other way she'd be more likely mafia is poe. like the remaining players bleed town or something.
so this said, can you explain looking at my filter dive, the motivation for copcake drawing attention to a scum partner
(1) prematurely in the cycle (2) calling him out for claiming too late and not giving time to think (3) voting a partner over a mislynch that nearly everyone was on board with
this is what doesn't add up
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like you need to reconsider that read on copcake and explain why mafia copcake draws attention to a partner like that
as scott said, her filter is pretty bad, but those points don't make sense for mafia partners
if we're in lylo and copcake is still alive it's another story, but ockhams razor she shouldn't be a top lynch
not now, not with (presumably mafia) gb unflipped atm
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damn I lost my last post
gah
md, her top scumreads were you/nk/gb
I faulted her for her reads on you/slam/gb, the n00bking read was reasonable and so didn't cite it
it's possible she's mafia for pushing n00bking, would easily be able to take advantage of that but again at face value it's reasonable, I and plenty others saw fault with nk's gameplay to scumread or vote him
but yet again, this conflicts with her interactions with gb, again assuming gb flips scum
so therefore it's not reasonable to top read her now, not in your current world and not unless you think gb is flipping town
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On September 09 2015 06:12 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2015 22:47 NocturneMage wrote: soooooooooooooooooooooo.........
Does anyone want to talk about superbia possibly being mafia?
Any takers?
I have already spoken my peace and assent on this until d3
he queried you in his big list post. you might want to respond to him.
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edit: (at md) so therefore it's not reasonable to top scum read her now, not in your current world, and not unless you think gb is flipping town
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On September 09 2015 06:22 CopCake wrote: Ok, right now I am so fucking creeped with MD
in your world you have md and gb as scum.
who is the final one?
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and I know they say associative reads are bad, but even a range of suspects is cool too.
it's just you've been (hyper)focused on those three, one is proven wrong
I'm not familiar with your voice style - I'm uk and I don't know how early/late you people play
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edit: from your filter, its just you've been (hyper)focused on those three, one is proven wrong
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On September 09 2015 06:27 CopCake wrote: Might be breshke, someone in the shadows who doesn't want to have too much attention.
On September 09 2015 06:28 CopCake wrote: Eh I am a tone reader and I am pretty good with night actions / creating possible scenarios of what would have happened.
alright, fair enough.
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last thing before I go - also in relation to superbia's large post, I didn't think it was bad. there were some thought provoking questions, which makes me think it's towny.
I start work at 6am tomorrow, so I need to be off for now.
Good night.
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On September 09 2015 06:32 CopCake wrote: You are not a nocturne mage.
lol
I'm an ER doctor IRL (and I'm serious, this is NOT a doc claim or anything) I work crazy overnights sometimes but that's not the reason for my name.
I'm a huge League fanatic, hence my name, I generally enjoy playing casters.
unfortunately my wife prefers to play dota. honestly fuck dota. would policy lynch any dota player in this game if I could (okay not really)
anyways
fidei
I'm not giving her town cred necessarily. I'm working backwards. are you suggesting that copcake is bussing gb then if gb flips red? in your world gb is red? can you then explain the points I drew up in my wall of text?
I am struggling with that.
actually this question should be posted to ANYONE who thinks copcake is mafia. we are all in the world I think where gb flips mafia.
she has scum tells but you have to explain the mafia motivation for calling out a partner in gb the way she did
what troubles me with md is that in his world copcake should NOT be top lynch UNLESS he can explain the bussing situation.
so I need to reconcile this.
NOW I'm off to bed. will sort it out tomorrow.
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On September 09 2015 06:34 Fidei86 wrote: The thing is dude that yes, she did read GB as scum, but the mentions of him were pretty sparse, and she said on more than one occasion that she much preferred to lynch n00b or Moosy. I don't think she gets nearly as much town cred from her GB read as you are giving her.
wait wait wait
so you are saying she's softpushing him?
hmmmmmm
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she didn't say much fidei but it was early but then take into account what she did with him at eod
- she voted him over n00bking, who was mislynched - she called out gb for claiming too late
do you really think partners would do this?
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anyways now I gotta sleep.
night all.
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On September 09 2015 05:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2015 05:37 NocturneMage wrote: hey md, I have a question for you......I took a crazy dive into cake's filter because her gameplay is so scummy - you are okay with a gb lynch, and given claim analysis gb flips mafia, that is the world for now.
what is mafia motivation for cake to make a sick bus on gb for cred? that was theory 2 and I evaluated the areas where she could be bussing, but the points (mafia motivation) don't add up.
I typed out a long post. hold on. It's not even a "sick bus". Look through her filter. Literally all her posts throughout this game have been weak cases designed to scum read everyone. The only person she's basically been buddying with is rayn as he's the town leader. At this point it's not even a "sick bus." She's just scum reading everyone, posts little, tries to rile up others, and comes off looking townie because people think she's trying to do work in the thread and there's no way to associate with others because she's already scum read them (besides rayn).
On September 09 2015 05:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2015 05:48 NocturneMage wrote:On September 09 2015 05:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 09 2015 05:37 NocturneMage wrote: hey md, I have a question for you......I took a crazy dive into cake's filter because her gameplay is so scummy - you are okay with a gb lynch, and given claim analysis gb flips mafia, that is the world for now.
what is mafia motivation for cake to make a sick bus on gb for cred? that was theory 2 and I evaluated the areas where she could be bussing, but the points (mafia motivation) don't add up.
I typed out a long post. hold on. It's not even a "sick bus". Look through her filter. Literally all her posts throughout this game have been weak cases designed to scum read everyone. The only person she's basically been buddying with is rayn as he's the town leader. At this point it's not even a "sick bus." She's just scum reading everyone, posts little, tries to rile up others, and comes off looking townie because people think she's trying to do work in the thread and there's no way to associate with others because she's already scum read them (besides rayn). you misunderstood. I don't mean copcake bussing rayn. I mean copcake bussing gb. I know where you are getting the sentiment of copcake buddying to rayn but that's not what I'm discussing. I agree her list post is overall terrible. I agree her overall gameplay has been terrible. however I'm not debating this. that wasnt' up for debate. that's why I looked at her even closer because we're in the world where gb flips red because it's generally NOT likely scum bus d1. but I am asking you to consider the mitigating factors that don't make sense from a mafia perspective. namely what I bolded in my wall of text. yes i was talking about copcake busing gb. look at her filter. she literally scum read or null read everyone except for the town leader. how are you supposed to make an association off of that l0l.
On September 09 2015 06:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2015 06:03 NocturneMage wrote: that aside md....
if there is no parallel game where copcake has a history of bussing early I have to assume she bussed too early for a normal mafia play. that is unlikely.
the only other way she'd be more likely mafia is poe. like the remaining players bleed town or something.
so this said, can you explain looking at my filter dive, the motivation for copcake drawing attention to a scum partner
(1) prematurely in the cycle (2) calling him out for claiming too late and not giving time to think (3) voting a partner over a mislynch that nearly everyone was on board with
this is what doesn't add up ok so i mistook copcake for someone else. that is my bad. take the filter dive again. look at who she townreads and who she scumreads and then try to make that argument again.
You said this not once, not twice but three times when I repeated the mitigating factors multiple times.
On September 10 2015 00:13 MoosyDoosy wrote: -.- i actually think NocturneMage has a good point. Despite how weak CopCake's filter is, it is weird if she's bussing GB that early. I am just waiting for GB's flip which is unfortunately most likely Mafia.
What changed? Why is my argument only valid now? I did not add anything to my argument since yesterday.
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On September 09 2015 18:47 boxerfred wrote: I won't have much time for today, close to none. I think lynching between GB and rayn will give us one scum, the Doctor is lost either way then. I don't like trading Doctor for one scum member if it's not for RB or GF. So yeah.
That's my logic. So whoever is not fine with a GB lynch will have to heavily explain why. That would be MoosyDoosy who I think is scum anyways. Also, Superbia didn't cast his vote so far although being in the thread and making long posts. While I have a slight scum lean on Fidei and pushed in that direction, I actually re-thought a bit and I feel like Fidei is not the lynch for the next days. I really wanna see GB + MD flip before I lynch someone else.
Thing is I did not look heavily into MoosyDoosy thus far. However since my time to play the game is really limited, I think I'll set "Looking into MD" as a top priority.
So what is your stances on superbia? null or scum? like is there some part of his posts we should be paying attention to?
also offhand I know MD said previously he was fine with a gb lynch despite voting copcake.
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Nice.
1 down 2 to go.
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I work overnight tonight so going to try and get a few things done before I take off.
On September 07 2015 11:48 Breshke wrote: RB's aren't notified though so how do you tell the difference between if he was actually roleblocked as town doctor or if he pretend to be role blocked as mafia?
I also don't really understand why you want to rely on having one of our blue roles claim when I have shown that GB lied and for now reason other than to justify his claim.
On September 07 2015 11:49 Breshke wrote: Do you disagree that GB lied there? If you can explain it from a town perspective im willing to listen. I'm not 100 percent GB is mafia but i feel it is very likely and i feel like we don't need a blue role to claim.
more filter diving - think Breshke is town for these posts and the concepts around them, among other things.
granted his activity is low from judging from the database, he doesn't seem to be overly pushy or elaborate in his reads, compared to what I remember of newbie 13, he was a bit more elaborate in 13, but he's justified it with being busy at uni. so I'll consider activity alone not alignment indicative.
he also rescinded a town read on GB early on without trying to give too much information away so I think Breshke is probably town (and not bussing under the guise of TMI). if someone wants to make an argument otherwise, fine and dandy, but that's what my main takeaway was.
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boxerfred did have some good posts early on but his activity has fallen off.
understandable that scum have a harder time fabricating things into late game, but he also claimed he had no time to play the game. considering he's gotten lynched early on in some of the games he's played due to real life I'm going to say he's town. Gut read.
only outstanding issue with him now is the lack of followup (despite subsequent posts) on contentious MD, who I have issues now for reasons I'll put in another post. but think if he could weigh in on that (he's done so for fidei, so fair play) it would go a long way. he scumread him earlier, scum lean/okay with lynch in 1580, and in 1744, he said he was sure he was scum but he wanted to look again.
what is your thought process there from what you felt in 1580 to 1744. that doesn't look clear. what is your (final) conclusion?
would not blame a cop for checking him though if he felt it.
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bah I lost my post on superbia :/
anyhow
couple of issues I'll try and sum up
1 from long list post he made (post ) no follow up on scott for the clip on copcake 2 relatively noncommittal reads/stances on gb (posts 1128, 1142, 1146) granted he didn't hide it but then you get to his list post and then you see this
"That being said, after GB's weird posts (drunk/food poison stuff) at EoN I kind of expect GB to be mafia."
I mean that's something I could see people make as either alignment. I don't know how that is exclusively mafia. why wasn't he mafia for some of the other stuff he did earlier. it just reads weird to me.
I think it was fidei who wanted to eval superbia's stance on gb, looks like he didn't have one though he asked others loads of questions on him, I don't know if he wanted to avoid deliberately taking a stance or if he was confused as all hell on gb.
what does work in superbia's favour though is the mafia read on md and his followup on md. it makes sense from a town perspective. additionally his post-lynch push on fidei going off the main wagons ALSO makes sense and is logical at the time he said it.
so superbia sits null. he's also worth a cop check.
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bah I have work 1830 until 0330. end of night is 2330, I should have a break - but I cannot promise - to look on md again before end of night
but moosy doosy
I don't understand why he found it weird I was re-evaluating copcake on the town cred/unlikeliness of hard bussing a partner d1, particularly making a call at eod. I even said the town cred wasn't absolute and I wasn't even making an absolute read on her. nothing like it. didn't like that response at all. and then going from that to me having a good point on copcake when he was screaming about the case.
unless I'm missing something. I think fidei, you said it was possible scum can bus like that but how likely? those are two different questions to me.
offhand skimming the cop/copcake thing was weird, dumb town or scum, I don't know.
also what is dumbtelling? don't think I heard that term before in newbie 13.
I didn't have the time to fully review md's latest exchanges since I have to go, but I'll see if I can extract anything from it if/when I get a break at work. for now, I'm out.
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On September 11 2015 01:58 CopCake wrote: Idk what the fuck rayn posted but I am laughing so hard.
you have anything new to add?
particularly on breshke since you mentioned him. or md. both posted.
(just saying. assuming you're town, the more input, the better)
now I'm out.
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night shift over. I'm back. as for rayn flipping vt, holy shit. that is crazy.
just skimming through, copcake, superbia and boxerfred, if all town, need to step it up.
fidei pretty sure you mistook boxerfred for breshke in my last set of reads - I townread Breshke and nulled boxerfred, unless you were referring to my n1 reads. and if my writing style doesn't make sense just ask away.
reads (regardless how you do it), and boxerfred, I think you missed my last round of questions.
reading through more in depth what I missed.
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On September 11 2015 11:40 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2015 11:37 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 11 2015 11:30 Breshke wrote: Also we are lynching superviso today so you might aswell look into him if you have time I will wait to see Superbia's stance on what he wants to do Day 2 then decide. In the meantime, I suggest you re-look at CopCake's filter because there are a ton of the inconsistencies that you seem to love to point out. I'm almost home so probably. Idc if you call it wifom but cake killing yam and rayn is fairly sub optimal for her wouldn't you think?
I saw this. thought about this. yes....and no.
the only two people that were really scumreading her all game (aside from n00b I think?) were myself and md.
here's the thing, I don't really know her, dunno about md.
rayn is someone who from what I understand given his town game (reference my last newbie game, we shot at him n1 and n2) he's going to get shot by ANY mafia team n1 or early on.
as for shooting yamato/rayn, there's another angle of it...let's say she is mafia. if anyone could catch her or have the thread pull to lynch her at latter stages of the game, it would be the people that know her best, the people that have some thread pull because of that partially.
I mean it's wifom but to some extent I could see it both ways, but admittedly, considering I was pushing her based on how she was giving out her reads and moosy combined tone, arguments and whatnot...I'd say the yamato kill might be suboptimal for her being mafia, and only because he had less thread pull. I think I remember him saying something along the lines of him complaining that no one was listening to him when we were nearing the d1 lynch.
rayn is someone that any team should kill as he will re-evaluate reads, just the way he hung back d2/n2 is a good example of that.
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got interrupted. wife woke up to get ready for work.
continuing on....
boxerfred......if you are reading this, the main contention with you right now is that you don't have any original content or ideas. we realise you are a bit short on time here, but if you could set your priorities in terms of why YOU think MD/Superbia are mafia, that would help town if you are town.
like rayn said earlier your posting earlier was good, but currently town or mafia could just sheep a case and if you are wrong on someone then where do you go from there?
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copcake, next question for you, when you return.
your last scumreads were md and breshke
(1) what do you think of them now (particularly breshke with his latest posting) (2) let's say we lynch md. or he loses his head and gets modkilled. he flips town. where do you go from there?
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tbf Alakaslam that was d1.
That was really one of her few if not only substantive posts of the game. I personally had issues with her reasonings for some of her reads early game and I have re-considered. Scott made a point that the rest of her filter was sparse and both of us took issue she wasn't answering (this was earlier) some of the questions brought up. Fidei brought something up about her not getting as much town cred and (may have?) suggested soft pushing or bussing was more likely or at least town cred wasn't as likely.
For me now it's just an issue of her updating her reads. In any case those are legit questions to ask of her. Her thought process.
As for MD even breshke has said he won't change his read (regardless of alignment imo) so it's honestly on her to just carry on and provide the guidance/reads she's capable of. I mean look at her filter she set those standards for herself.
Same thing tbf applies to boxer and superbia as I said before.
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Need to hit the bed for the morning. Joys of night work. Will return.
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Out all day, romantic dinner with the wife by night. Want to comment on a few things. I have a few hours, though I might dart to make some food.
On September 12 2015 01:03 Breshke wrote: Who is the doctor? Would you not think this information is good for town since mafia probably RB them last night since there is no reason for them not to save rayn
Give a reason why you think so aswell
On September 12 2015 01:08 Breshke wrote: I really don't think you have a reason to think anyone is the doctor superbia
On September 12 2015 01:08 Superbia wrote: Breshke, walk me through your thought process at the moment. You pressure me to give you my doc read. So here's what can happen:
- I give doc read, doc is indeed doc and flips/outs at some point. I look super scummy. - I give doc read, doc is not doc and my read looks terrible. I look scummy. - I don't give doc read, I look neutral. But you can still say I'm scummy.
What's the idea here?
On September 12 2015 01:09 Superbia wrote: But still answer me what you were hoping to accomplish.
On September 12 2015 01:14 Breshke wrote: No I truly think that you don't have a reason to think someone is the doctor. Like you have apparently seen something that has made you basically flip your read on me.
If you actually have a reason it's me who looks like shit for pushing you to out them not you. Like what is my objective here obviously people can read that you don't want to point them out and if you did it would be because of me.
I don't understand how the quotes from Breshke in this convo are a town mindset. Why would you use someone's doctor read to evaluate them? First you scumread sueprbia for saying he had dick all in calling you mafia then you want to get information that would otherwise compromise town to evaluate him?
It's a no-win position.
Also don't like Breshke's post at the top of this page either. Fidei is commenting on HOW you reappeared on the thread. I double checked on that. You interact with superbia posts 205/210 WAY at the beginning of the game. NOTHING on any conclusion on his alignment, then it's not until posts 2046/2047/2070 (at least a cycle and a half?) out of nowhere, you're like "superbia has to elaborate on his d1 read on me" and then you vote him.
I see a post where you said to him (1961) you make me want to lynch you. you didn't press him then for a read on you. Why did it become urgent later?
Why didn't you press him then? You then put priority on MD and then out of nowhere you go from passive to all-out slugfest against him. The progression is very haphazard, I'd argue it's contrived on your end.
Still reading.....and reading.....
questions fire away.
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On September 12 2015 00:56 Breshke wrote: Actually no fuck it idc. Explain why I'm not a PR anymore I'm calling you out you don't have shit all.
On September 12 2015 01:03 Breshke wrote: Who is the doctor? Would you not think this information is good for town since mafia probably RB them last night since there is no reason for them not to save rayn
Give a reason why you think so aswell
On September 12 2015 01:08 Breshke wrote: I really don't think you have a reason to think anyone is the doctor superbia
On September 12 2015 01:14 Breshke wrote: No I truly think that you don't have a reason to think someone is the doctor. Like you have apparently seen something that has made you basically flip your read on me.
If you actually have a reason it's me who looks like shit for pushing you to out them not you. Like what is my objective here obviously people can read that you don't want to point them out and if you did it would be because of me.
these are the last four quotes from Breshke before he turns his attention to fidei on his interactions analysis.
You basically said superbia had shit all on you so how are people's feedback on the conversation (even if you disagree with that) changing your read on superbia changing your read on superbia?
That doesn't make any sense.
I read superbia's filter.
What did he do in that conversation from when you said he had shit all on you - and thus I'm inferring that you think superbia's push on you was scummy...
...that made you change your read to him being town?
I'm reading the reactions of everyone who commented. Moosy saying it's not useless, Fidei is saying it's useless, and Copcake saying you're both mafia (presumably) because of that conversation.
Slam says there's a bunch of things wrong with Superbia's filter but unless I'm missing it, where do you get "everyone"?
still doesn't explain your change in read on him. zero. you're probably mafia based on this event but going to read the others involved in this.
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ebwop - just realised I had a massive typo in there from copy/paste.
Second sentence of my last post should read:
You basically said superbia had shit all on you so how are people's feedback on the conversation (even if you disagree with that) changing your read on superbia without superbia doing anything himself to warrant that change in read?
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On September 12 2015 10:31 MoosyDoosy wrote: I honestly don't understand what you're seeing here NocturneMage. Can you explain in simple English or like in one or two sentences please.
basically I'm questioning breshke's read progression on superbia, and especially with that last post. why does he scumread (presumably) superbia and then with that last post say "people saying the convo is useless" makes him town. there's nothing in the conversation to justify that read.
fidei's statement on them coming out of nowhere (well at least for breshke, I'm still reading on superbia) is correct at least for breshke - at least after I looked at his filter. The pressure on superbia comes from practically nowhere.
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On September 12 2015 10:34 Breshke wrote: nocturne why did superbia change his read on me
atm I'm still reading his filter - two main list posts he's left you out I see that but still going through his filter.
but I don't think fidei is mafia for his observations, and certainly not the push on you. not from what I remember reading at first.
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On September 12 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote: Also let me explain what i mean. So me and superbia had a discussion that involved the possible role the doctor. We both gave reads one each other from it.
From that conversation noone other than moosey has commented on what we actually said and has just burshed it off as being a useless shitfight about roles.
Like you think im mafia and you don't even comment on why superbia thinks im mafia instead you jsut say the entire conversation was useless. Fidei did much the same.
This leads me to a conclusion that people are happy with me and superbia going at it because we could both be town and two towns going at it is good for mafia.
read from 2264, I'm not saying your conversation useless, I know superbia's conclusion on you was clear the first time I read it. I'm more focused on how your reads evolved from BEFORE the conversation, THROUGH the conversation and AFTER it - and I'm doing the same with superbia.
There are parts I did not like about you in there, and it was not because I thought the conversation was useless. I am questioning the town motivation for talking about the PRs the way you did.
Capisce?
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ebwop - I'm not saying your conversation was useless.
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superbia on breshke
initial read post 184/192/195 - he says breshke is town, rescinds read in 234 based on "bitter" tone
list posts in 948 and 1093 - leaves off Breshke entirely - but list post in 1628, null reads him saying that the push on GB is potentially bussing
On September 11 2015 07:35 Superbia wrote: I think doctor claims here tbh, unless for some reason you didn't save rayn. I'll figure it out when I get back. First gonna chill more w/ gf.
that quote itself is null - not sure if he honestly forgot doctor cannot save twice in a row or if he tried to bait the doctor.
posts 2090-2095 (filter pages 8-9) he's scumreading Breshke based on process of elimination. that I can follow...
in post 2116 I can follow the conversation between you and superbia - I can follow where he poes you.
I don't understand the "pr or mafia" rationale or why someone would or should act differently if they are a pr. you'd think that if someone acted differently to avoid mafia it would make it easier for mafia to find the pr.
I think it's faulty reasoning but I don't think this is necessarily an exclusively mafia way of doing things.
in any case, it was pretty clear to me how superbia came to scumread you at the beginning of the shoutfest,
the progression on his end leading into the beginning of the conversation was more natural - it made sense, he followed up on his very early game read on you, and him poeing you made him re-consider the null read he had from his list post.
going through the heart of the conversation now.
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And I don't think your "after" read remotely makes sense, it is a jump in logic.
Also I traced your filter and I saw no reference to meta, I saw in post 1961 the "you make me wanna lynch you" but there was no reference to meta.
so you are arguing that superbia plays lurky as scum? student mafia? campus mafia? which game is this?
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meh, alright, I'm assuming it's the campus mafia game, in database now.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469857-campus-mafia-new-newish-players-welcome?user=superbia
16 page filter over 7 days. That's an average of 2 1/3 pages per 72h cycle if my maths is correct.
right now he's 11 pages and we're halfway through d3.
he's in and out, and content has been sporadic. not unreasonable.
but still I take issue with you on the him evaluating on you not being PR. he followed up that pretty well I think.
(1) he questioned the motivation for the doctor questions (2) he explained his world of why you weren't a PR, and it was based on a) his reads and b) process of elimination.
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On September 12 2015 11:30 Breshke wrote: I've explained the "after" read.
The before read was me sheeting rayn plus there was some game ages ago (not on pc so can't link it) it was a student or campus mafia game and superbia was the last scum alive and I remember him being semi lurky there. That's why I ignored moosey before and started voting superbia because I know he can and will lurk to victory as scum.
The "during" read is weird to explain but at the time I didn't really believe that superbias bitter=or/mafia read was genuine. I also didn't believe the reason he gave for why he stopped considering that I could be a PR.
so the first sentence means you had a mafia read on superbia based on tone, then what do you think of his comparison on rayn's scumread of you for (nearly?) the same thing? why was this unreasonable?
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ebwop from 2278 - he's in and out and content had been sporadic up to the point he pushed you hard.
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On September 12 2015 08:54 Breshke wrote: I'm fairly sure I would not lynch MD today
Fidei saying that myself and superbia came back to the thread is really fckn contrived I was around way early than him talking to moosey
Also the amount of people saying that mine and superbias discussion was useless is making me think he is town. It wasn't useless, you see us talking about pr's but not why it involved both of us making a read on the other and the fact that both BF and fidei come into the thread call it a shitfight and useless but don't comment on any of the reads me or superbia made from it makes me think one of them is mafia
so from this post you think fidei is mafia?
you have eliminated super and md I think? or null on md or considering a fidei/md world?
who is the third mafia in your books?
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final mafia? this is where I am
I'm pretty sure slam is town, I have nulls on copcake, boxerfred.
I had a townread on fidei, but I need to see more closely what he picked out in the conversation, although at first glance it would appear he did not read as closely into the conversation as he could have. I'd have to agree with you on that one.
does it make fidei mafia? well he's voting breshke, so I'm also doubting that. you afk was NAI, but he also agrees the doctor side of the conversation doesn't serve the purpose to help town. I agree with that part.
copcake still concerns me based on lack of input (I did see her post on the superbia/breshke interaction) but if she is a tone reader like she said she was, I would expect her to evaluate people on tone, or at least do more of it. right now she's not meeting her own standards - has her read on moosy changed? she was on him for early game for example - her penguin picture makes me think she's townreading superbia (and from the subsequent post) alakaslam
scott is unlikely based on gb's push on him the first cycle
right now I'm in breshke plus one of copcake/boxerfred world - moosydoosy is under review for the latest interaction but offhand on first read nothing he's said makes him look scummy
overall with the superbia/breshke interaction breshke is the more likely mafia of the two. (yes I know moosy is in there too but that's where I stand now) it's possible there's double bussing but after looking at superbia's side of things from the beginning of his filter especially, I think superbia's rationale from start to end makes sense from a town perspective.
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On September 12 2015 05:16 boxerfred wrote: It's so fucking hard to keep up with that thread. The last ~5 pages were lots of bullshit about power roles that is a totally irrelevant discussion. Whatever one thinks who is a power role will only help scum if he talks about it. The whole PR stuff is pointless. How is that even perceived as a push?
Here is my stance on the game: I'm a low activity poster. I'm aware that it should be easy for scum to set me up for a mislynch based on this. Whenever I come in the thread, I have to read another 20 pages of spammy shit. It would be great if you guys could just get back on track and think about where to locate scum or where to lynch to gain as much information as possible.
We are in a situation where it's likely that mafia knows since D2 that they'll lose a member. Since they insta-shot rayn during the night, mafia were SURE that he's the doctor. Right? Right? That makes me feel like the kill itself was a scum slip in terms of the setup. The Doctor setup is likely as fuck. I talked about this already earlier.
So what is scum supposed to do (as a team)? They'll try to get a mislynch, they are in desperate need for that especially after rayn flipped VT and not blue. So I'm really interested in who pushes MD and why they do so. Especially if MD is indeed lynched and flips green. At this point I don't think town can come further by evaluating people on scummy behavior but moreso by evaluating people in terms of town indications. It's one way to find indicators for scum alignment to win the game. Another way is to find indicators of town alignment on everyone else. We followed the first way and it got us GB, cool, great! However I think while we should not abandon that completely, we should consider focussing more on town reads.
At this point, I have the following town reads:
- scott (even forgot why, need to check, however don't have the time) - superbia (reasons stated in my huge case) - Alakaslam. What i remember the most of him is a) his spammy/hard to read playstyle, b) some posts where he points out scummy behaviour of me. since there was no follow up on this, I think it's a town indication. Also he was continuesly willing to hammer GB.
Followed by my null reads:
- Breshke. Not remembering anything in particular, however he got in a shitflinging discussion with Superbia, derailing shit. Cool - not. - Fidei. Pointed out some scum indicators in his play, he answered genuinely. I think he's not doing enough for town to actually be labeled a townie. Seems more interested in defending/surviving than in actually finding scum. Needs to step up. - CopCake. Don't remember particularly much. Hard to read. Voted with the main wagons. - MoosyDoosy. Need to look into more. I think his flip would give us a lot of information, however it might easily be a mislynch for scum. Good thing would be to stop pressuring him but instead give him some breathing room and let him do town work. Especially his last posts feel a lot like frustrated town. Can't tell. - NocturneMage. Where is this guy?
Yes, I don't have scumreads, yolo. Would lynch between MD/NM since Breshke is at least here.
considering I'm also a relatively low volume poster and I also hate spam, I think I'm just around when you are not and vice versa.
few questions for you before I go to bed.
(1) you townread superbia based on your large case or whatever - you certainly looked at the "shitflinging discussion" with superbia - so do you think superbia is any less town based on that?
(2) in your nulls, you have 3 people you are citing as you can't remember much on, plus moosy that you are relatively keen on lynching. there are only 2 mafia left. you are seemingly pressed for time, so how do you go about finding or narrowing down that? (let alone trying to draw the 8 or whatever townreads when you have a lot of null at the moment)
(3) you say breshke is "derailing" shit so a) how is that still a null and b) how is "breshke being here" a valid point for not lynching him if you are citing issues with him?
(4) for fidei you are saying he's more interested in "defending/surviving" than in actually scumhunting. a) can you quote or cite where he's done this - or why you get that impression from his filter b) by your standards this is mafia mentality so fidei in your world should be a scumread - in newbie 13 my coach told us in the scum qt that mafia have the need to survive and that's their thing, hence this point.
I think 3 and 4 are the more important questions to me especially as I think fidei is town (barring me tripping up on something weird tomorrow) and I think breshke is mafia at this time.
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it's after 4am. will be around later today. end of cycle I should be here. good night.
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I have 10 minutes of a breather to spare here....
On September 13 2015 03:10 Superbia wrote: Why do people think fidei is town btw?
on mobile, work until 2000, unless something blows up in the next hour, but wanted to say to superbia
offhand on a notepad at home, I had the main thing against him was voting off wagon d1 but in his favour I had some of the posts that showed some detailed thoughts/direction. when I went through his filter, I couldn't see intentional misdirection.
Earlier I compared fidei's play here to the newbie 12 game and personality, both which I obsereved, when you consider how stuck a lot of people seem to be here with their reads (not a whole lot of overly resolute reads) it is not out of possibility that fidei could also be playing suboptimally as town.
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ebwop - 2100, not 2000
anyhow
as for scott being mafia, this is possible but I thought it was unlikely.
if he went on gb then that means they double bussed. that I think would be less likely, much less likely. but this means I'd have to do the same timeline check of pushes that I did on copcake to be sure.
superbia mentions tmi, so I am curious as to what posts he mentions that indicates that, but I am sure I will see it myself when I timeline him.
back to work, will do my best to dig through when I get off.
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right now, my vote is on breshke.
if it's not copcake or boxerfred (and honestly boxer is by poe), then someone's playing town hard. a bus is possible which is why I want to check scott's filter. not sure offhand who else was considered on gb too early.
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On September 13 2015 03:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:noooo don't go i cri everytiem </3
I know it's saturday night here - if you're around closer to eod, hopefully others are too.
I hear weekends on tl are pretty inactive. understandable but doesn't help town today.
away I go until later.
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on my way home from work.
unvoted Breshke.
going to look through scott and then fidei and then the two nulls.
superbia I don't understand the Slam TMI argument.
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On September 13 2015 05:08 Fidei86 wrote: Why did the mafia not roleblock rayn as the *confirmed* doctor? That makes so little sense to me. They would have had to believe that rayn was not actually the doctor ... ? And then they correctly guessed that Breshke was the doctor?
???
This game.
gb had a read (somehow) that rayn wasn't the doctor. he would have guided that decision, something about the reactions when the claims came in. cant remember fully offhand.
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On September 13 2015 04:53 scott31337 wrote: Breshke what are you thoughts on boxerfred? I'd rather him gone then Fidei.
same, saying this before review. not going to filter dive until I get home.
can someone post the leading arguments for wanting to lynch fidei? tinfoil? being illogical? his reads? tmi?
the only valid argument I see is his voting d1.
if he's mafia, he's playing well otherwise.
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what is scaring me about copcake as tinfoil as it sounds is that everyone (save moosy) is giving her a pass for either the voice tells or meta or whatever argument they are using.
I am trying to see past the language barrier I really am.
I am trying to see how she is driving discussion in the thread. I am looking for her to meet her own standard of tells.
here's a question - why are people going on solely fidei for saying nothing came of the superbia/breshke discussion WHEN COPCAKE SAID THE SAME THING IN RESPONSE.
here's another question - why is/was copcake so adamant to keep on lynching moosy doosy? a bit has happened with him, why is he top lynch for you? (am aware about the scott scumread)
I know she said it, if I weren't on mobile I'd quote it.
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On September 13 2015 05:20 Fidei86 wrote: Crossed posts, sorry.
Being wrong on Breshke doesn't make me mafia. I'm mafia if you think my reasons were bad. By your logic then I should be *sure* that you're mafia, because you're scum reading me and I'm town.
I also wasn't the only one who complained about your fight - NM or BF came back in and said that they agreed, it wasn't productive. Are you scum reading them too?
I don't see why you're making such a big deal of me calling you a good player - I played voice with you and I thought you were good. And having a scum read on you is obviously not inconsistent with you being a good player. And I said I was re-evaluating.
Right now it feels to me like you're just searching around for the correct mislynch wagon to get on.
it was boxerfred, and copcake said the same thing, the latter concluded superbia and breshke were both mafia.
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On September 13 2015 05:26 Breshke wrote: Nocturne what is your opinion on mine and superbias "shitfight" (wasn't a shitfight") now you know I'm doctor
on the fight? town on town then. weird but your explanations make sense once I read them. to me superbia was making sense the whole time.
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On September 13 2015 05:27 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2015 05:25 NocturneMage wrote:On September 13 2015 05:20 Fidei86 wrote: Crossed posts, sorry.
Being wrong on Breshke doesn't make me mafia. I'm mafia if you think my reasons were bad. By your logic then I should be *sure* that you're mafia, because you're scum reading me and I'm town.
I also wasn't the only one who complained about your fight - NM or BF came back in and said that they agreed, it wasn't productive. Are you scum reading them too?
I don't see why you're making such a big deal of me calling you a good player - I played voice with you and I thought you were good. And having a scum read on you is obviously not inconsistent with you being a good player. And I said I was re-evaluating.
Right now it feels to me like you're just searching around for the correct mislynch wagon to get on. it was boxerfred, and copcake said the same thing, the latter concluded superbia and breshke were both mafia. ...Fidei said both superbia/breshke were Mafia. CopCake said Superbia was town. But if Superbia is town and Breshke is Doctor where does that leave us??
someone's playing us hard. really need to look into fidei/scott.
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breshke, no, I unvoted you, did not revote.
still a ways from home here.
I just queried superbia on the doctor read on slam actually.
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On September 13 2015 05:12 NocturneMage wrote: on my way home from work.
unvoted Breshke.
going to look through scott and then fidei and then the two nulls.
superbia I don't understand the Slam TMI argument.
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I am finally home and sorted. Diving scott right now.
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I want to talk about scott's very early game when he started scumreading GB.
Does this look like an organic or contrived read to you? The biggest issue I have with this is the "GB thing and defending" line.
The stuff after this line (vote on slam, post on 631) makes sense but not this first initial read on gb.
Scott posting on GB
post 279 - I tried to read around this.
On September 05 2015 09:15 scott31337 wrote:GB smoking/drinking again - and follow his opposite Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 08:23 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 08:12 Superbia wrote: Do you really think GB is mafia here? I don't care i stopped reading his posts. I hope a vigilante shoots him. Ok, you're mafia ##Vote: Rayn
623 - soft push on gb (this is 17 hours later)
On September 06 2015 02:53 scott31337 wrote:I'm only at page 19 - We have a vote thread I see http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494187-nsm-xiv-firefly-voting-thread#12##Vote N00bkingGB probably mafia too for his - GB thing and defendingBreshke trying almost too hard - I have not seen him pour so much into a game - maybe he got laid off - but I have to call him town for now, but tinfoil scary the work he is putting in
I read between 279 and 623 on GB's filter
I am not sure what Scott means by GB thing and defending.
Scott what did you mean here?
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Then post 631 - this post looks towny but is the first interaction TMI?
GB smoking/drinking is NAI. That sentence doesn't really say anything in post 279.
The one liner in 623 has me scratching my head in a did he or didn't he softpush/bus situation, but 623 shows him doing the work to push gb again for voting slam. He crosschecked GB.
Post 638 (Scott calling GB's read on him mafia) is NAI for Scott.
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On September 06 2015 03:53 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 03:47 GlowingBear wrote: Scott, wouldn't it be easier if you'd cobsolidate your reads in one post instead of going through the topic and post reads and re-adapt them as you go?
Meh, I don't know. I don't like what you're doing, although I think your reads make sense I was posting my townie thoughts along the way and adding my thoughts and quotes up in notepad. Do you have any specific questions for me? Is n00bking toast and you are bussing him now? What about boxerfred, who's only made one post, why do you mention nothing of him?
On September 06 2015 04:02 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 03:53 scott31337 wrote:On September 06 2015 03:47 GlowingBear wrote: Scott, wouldn't it be easier if you'd cobsolidate your reads in one post instead of going through the topic and post reads and re-adapt them as you go?
Meh, I don't know. I don't like what you're doing, although I think your reads make sense I was posting my townie thoughts along the way and adding my thoughts and quotes up in notepad. Do you have any specific questions for me? Is n00bking toast and you are bussing him now? What about boxerfred, who's only made one post, why do you mention nothing of him? I have no questions for you since you read progression is clear to me. So there it is. Now is the time you say this is a scum tell of mine. I make nothing out of boxer's post, neither Fidei's. These are guys who have just made one post.
The bolded COULD come from a scum Scott (posts 646/649)
So far, I'm leaning townish but that VERY first interaction has me scratching my head. Scott if you can answer that that would help.
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Voting boxerfred for now.
I'm honestly very stuck on Scott from this first part. Going to try and break through both of their filters and see if something comes through that I didn't see.
I assume people are voting superbia for the superbia/breshke conversation or for the superbia read on slam?
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superbia if you have any comment on the Scott TMI possibility it would be grand. since you were the one to have brought it up initially if I recall right.
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honestly I think superbia is town, how does the slam thing make him mafia? I'm so lost now.
lynch copcake/boxerfred.....still looking into scott. that's where I am now.
if superbia flips green, fidei is looking significantly worse. he said he will look into superbia. 45m until deadline.
it looks like fidei is looking to lynch him based on omgus.
not sure I will have enough time to get back to looking into fidei - I'd rather not yolo vote anyone not without looking into them.
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What? Fidei, really? are you not reading the thread?
Superbia had a VERY clear progression on Breshke. I outlined that last night. Might have been whilst you were out.
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On September 13 2015 06:45 Fidei86 wrote: Okay, so I'm sticking on Superbia, and I think you all should too. Here are my reasons:
1. His EOD1 is EXTREMELY suspicious.
He doesn't really scum read n00b until after everyone else votes onto him. He says at #1093 that he thinks n00b is posting "[not] like his mafia meta on this site", but then literally in his next post starts scum reading him. Interestingly, he is only convinced on n00b very late, but he then becomes VERY convinced. He also refuses to switch off GB, despite his top town reads (Rayn and Yamato) moving onto GB. He also scum reads n00b for being absent at EOD, when GB was *also* absent.
2. Throughout D1 he continually asks questions of everyone. He asks everyone for their reads on everyone. But he actually doesn't give any reads of his own really. He says THREE DIFFERENT TIMES that his read on GB is some variant of "IDK".
3. He asks for the doctor and the cop to both claim, well in advance of when they should.
4. He moves onto Breshke after I list him as scum, seemingly out of nowhere.
For #1 I am reading around the post you cite.
n00bking says he'd vote superbia to save himself, superbia says he can die, that was presumably in response to what n00b said. How is that a problem?
Also on Superbia refusing to switch off GB, we have this: (1103/1106)
On September 07 2015 06:22 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 06:21 n00bKing wrote:On September 07 2015 06:18 Superbia wrote: And you even spelled my name wrong. YUP. By the way, if GlowingBear were to be lynched today, you better hope he flips Town. Because if he were to flip Red, you've just placed yourself in a position where it looks like you're trying to use your vote to protect him. Oh I don't give a shit son. I can be wrong on day 1.
On September 07 2015 06:23 Superbia wrote: That also looks like you're setting up a TMI-induced associative lynch.
Do you think mafia would openly admit the bolded?
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Last post was directed at Fidei.
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On September 13 2015 06:56 MoosyDoosy wrote: Superbia, why are you not a big fan of the boxerfred lynch.
....or re-evaluating copcake for that matter.
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On September 13 2015 05:48 Superbia wrote: Boxerfred, are you there?
ugh probably doesn't want to vote boxerfred when he's not here. well IDK.
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scott/gb through end of night 1 doesn't turn much of anything up. anything gb does d2 is completely wifom.
fuck this game.
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On September 13 2015 07:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2015 06:59 Superbia wrote: I think we have way better lynches than copcake, who I have been townreading all game. I am townreading you both (nocturne/moosy) as well. l0l again with the town reads. I'm tempted to just do something really scummy and make you all kill me.
ugh, no don't.
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On September 13 2015 07:02 Superbia wrote: So much silence from slam and stuff.
could say the same about copcake.
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for future reference
Superbia (4): scott31337, Breshke, Fidei86, Alakaslam boxerfred (2): MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage MoosyDoosy (1): boxerfred scott31337 (1): CopCake Fidei86 (1): Superbia
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On September 13 2015 00:36 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2015 17:52 scott31337 wrote:I'm back from the pool party - got a couple driniks in me but I wanted to post my thoughts here - Moosy gets a little town love - He hasn't been not my top lynch and has had some good posting today. I've re-read Superbia's filter and I'm confident of where my vote is right now. The shitfight with Breshke tells me very little - I've just re-read the filter for good quotes and I cannot find any since the modkill one above- On September 11 2015 06:51 Superbia wrote: Posting not to get modkilled. Not mafia. Been too preoccupied with voice mafia lol. Promise to play tomorrow. The only thing I've learned is you believe Boxerfred is town. BoxerFred Lurky d1, which I think is NAI for BF (as I pointed out before his prev game he lurked d1 and he was PR, so it might be a mafia or PR thing)? I didn't really like his push on fidei (didn't really feel like it came from a townie perspective). His read progression on fidei also doesn't really make sense, as fidei was calling md mafia (iirc), which bf registered, but was still iffy about fidei's alignment after bf also started calling md mafia (similar reads???). Calls people null/mafia who have been calling GB mafia. Reads not lining up. Possible mafia. Also throws lots of null-reads around. On September 11 2015 23:37 Superbia wrote: It's probably breshke/moosy. I kinda love that boxerfred post on me lmao. That pocket is very very deep. You have not shown me anything positive to change my vote. ---- Fidei seems tunnelled on the Superbia/Breshke arguement - I still see townie vibes here - Breshke's play has gotten downhill - and the BS above - I doubt he'll keep a vote on Superbia, he tried once. It could be a flail from the scum team - I think they are scared. He hasn't shown me anything positive to town. I'm up for a bit - then sleep and get up before deadline. Moosy gets some decent points for how much he's tried, and when he did calm down - looks more focused at finding scum. Fidei is slightly better. I just don't see the Copcake confirmed town - still on the better fish to fryNM - Way more posting then his last game (as mafia) - like a busy town man - townlean. Boxerfred ... ohhhh On September 12 2015 05:16 boxerfred wrote: It's so fucking hard to keep up with that thread. The last ~5 pages were lots of bullshit about power roles that is a totally irrelevant discussion. Whatever one thinks who is a power role will only help scum if he talks about it. The whole PR stuff is pointless. How is that even perceived as a push?
Here is my stance on the game: I'm a low activity poster. I'm aware that it should be easy for scum to set me up for a mislynch based on this. Whenever I come in the thread, I have to read another 20 pages of spammy shit. It would be great if you guys could just get back on track and think about where to locate scum or where to lynch to gain as much information as possible.
We are in a situation where it's likely that mafia knows since D2 that they'll lose a member. Since they insta-shot rayn during the night, mafia were SURE that he's the doctor. Right? Right? That makes me feel like the kill itself was a scum slip in terms of the setup. The Doctor setup is likely as fuck. I talked about this already earlier.
So what is scum supposed to do (as a team)? They'll try to get a mislynch, they are in desperate need for that especially after rayn flipped VT and not blue. So I'm really interested in who pushes MD and why they do so. Especially if MD is indeed lynched and flips green. At this point I don't think town can come further by evaluating people on scummy behavior but moreso by evaluating people in terms of town indications. It's one way to find indicators for scum alignment to win the game. Another way is to find indicators of town alignment on everyone else. We followed the first way and it got us GB, cool, great! However I think while we should not abandon that completely, we should consider focussing more on town reads.
At this point, I have the following town reads:
- scott (even forgot why, need to check, however don't have the time) - superbia (reasons stated in my huge case) - Alakaslam. What i remember the most of him is a) his spammy/hard to read playstyle, b) some posts where he points out scummy behaviour of me. since there was no follow up on this, I think it's a town indication. Also he was continuesly willing to hammer GB.
Followed by my null reads:
- Breshke. Not remembering anything in particular, however he got in a shitflinging discussion with Superbia, derailing shit. Cool - not. - Fidei. Pointed out some scum indicators in his play, he answered genuinely. I think he's not doing enough for town to actually be labeled a townie. Seems more interested in defending/surviving than in actually finding scum. Needs to step up. - CopCake. Don't remember particularly much. Hard to read. Voted with the main wagons. - MoosyDoosy. Need to look into more. I think his flip would give us a lot of information, however it might easily be a mislynch for scum. Good thing would be to stop pressuring him but instead give him some breathing room and let him do town work. Especially his last posts feel a lot like frustrated town. Can't tell. - NocturneMage. Where is this guy?
Yes, I don't have scumreads, yolo. Would lynch between MD/NM since Breshke is at least here.
He forgets why I am town. (ummmm... wow) Reads Superbia town for his huge case - and - Let's go over that. + Show Spoiler [Boxer Case] +On September 11 2015 17:33 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 08:39 Superbia wrote:On September 05 2015 08:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 08:33 Superbia wrote: Think rayn's response to GB's claim is over the top. I don't think there is any need for any blue to out at the moment. Pretty sure we can get productive d1 going without any blue shenanigans. Actually kinda makes me dislike rayn, but I had townie vibes from him early on so whatever. Also he just called me town so I'm fine with him being town for now.
keep it simple. if you can get a 50-50 chance of lynching mafia on D1 by outing one blue role you should ALWAYS take is in any game. I think he might do this as town though. In addition I will say this. Do not believe GB is the vigi today. Evaluate him like any other. Do not give him a pass whatsoever. This is from D1 after GlowingBears claim. This post is an answer to rayn who hit the truth in his "claiming vig D1 is a great thing to call out a town role, get a blue kill in exchange for the goon." (though rayn couldn't know that GB is the goon at that point. This post is strange in many ways. Superbia thinks GB might do a (serious!) vigi claim at the very beginning of D1. To me, claiming blue D1 is like the stupidest thing you can do if you truely are a blue. How does Superbia come to that conclusion? The bolded part contradicts the initial meaning of the post ("nah guys GB is stupid not scum") however. It's 100% wishywashy. Also, the initial post (the quote in the quote) - why is Superbia disliking rayn for his reaction to GB? He should be disliking GB for the initial blue shenanigans. This post really feels like it's coming from someone who has to hide something. Time for the tinfoil hat: What if that was a serious response to a claim that Superbia thought was real? Also, WHY did GB claim Vigi if he DID know about the setup? This makes me feel really (really!) unsure if there is indeed a doctor in. We have two people D1 (GB, Superbia) that are willing to think that there is a Vigi in. However, GB claimed Doctor and Rayn claimed Doctor. There was NO counterclaim up to this point, keep that in mind guys! We have two setup slips from GB (Vigi, Doc) and we do not know which one is true. Out of this, I extract two scenarios. a) Doctor setup. Superbia's CC to GB was pure bullshit, making him look townie. b) Vigi setup. Superbia's CC to GB was the truth, making him, well, look townie. c) Vigi + Doc claim was absolutely bullshit (which is the unlikeliest to me) I'm kinda surprised that I come to this conclusion. I'll continue with the setup before going back to Superbia: Vigi setup feels the most likely to me TBH. 2/3 goons in scum - that means the chance that GB would flip scum as goon is higher than in any other setup. Also, we have no DOCTOR counter claimed except the rayn yolo, which was risky but great however it was not a Doctor. Basically, ANY rule could've counterclaimed the doctor that is Vigi, Veteran or Jailkeeper. So GB's claim EoD1 could have played out awesome for scum, ESPECIALLY in Setup B (1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Veteran, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 2 Mafia Goons). Mafia would've exchanged a simple goon with a strong town blue, potentially Jailkeeper. I think at this point I have a pretty good theory who another blue role is but I won't tell since I don't want the guy to get killed. Okay, back to Superbia. As I said above - the behaviour from this post is conclusively townie. Maybe my logic is flawed somewhere, somehow, so please test the waters. Another point that makes Superbia look townie D1 is that he instantly jumped on GB's claim - why would a fellow scum member do this given that he'd know GB's plan of outing a blue? It doesn't make sense. Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 05:37 Superbia wrote:On September 06 2015 05:32 NocturneMage wrote:On September 06 2015 05:05 Superbia wrote: Also hi replacement. Hey everyone. Just started reading. If there is anything in particular I should pay attention to as I catch up, give me a shout. Also RL related - I work in the ER so if I'm at work overnight and something pops up, I will be forced to suddenly disappear from the game. The coming week should not be too crazy hopefully. 1. Look at opening posts. 2. Look at rayn/yamato interaction. 3. GB (fake) claim. 4. Look at rayn/noobking interaction. Following people: - noobking - copcake - slam Comments on them in near future pls. Although noone brings up the claim after all D1, Superbia does so when NM enters the thread. This could be out of "yo maybe NM replaced a blue and GB's trick might work here" (which I don't think tbh - feels way to unrealistic) or is indeed a "look at this and tell me what you think". Genuine. + Show Spoiler +On September 07 2015 03:35 Superbia wrote: I'm here. Haven't read past few pages. Game kinda feels hard.
rayn/yamato still very town. Stuck on moosy's alignment. Something feels off compared to previous game filters. Not sure what, still reading. His associative read triggered all sorts of re-evaluations. Stuck on noobking's alignment. His post style feels different from his mafia post style. Planning on reading into his meta after moosy. Feels like moosy may have spewn him town if moosy is mafia. IDK copcake tied into this. Also stuck on her alignment. Don't know about slam/gb. Both seem very much on the sidelines. bf superlurk. Last game he did this he was PR and got lynched d1 for it. To be honest, I think I may have the PRs down to a small circle already (of either mafia or PR) and he's not among them. Need to hear from people who have played with him.
So yeah. Still very much in the process of evaluation. Here for questions and talking if people are around. Specifically the 3 above. Very busy tabbing between game filters though. So don't expect a superquick response. First kind of list post from Superbia. While he's not talking about GB in this, he puts a null/scum lean on MoosyDoosy. Which makes me feel like they have different alignments however I'm not too sure if that holds. Putting this in spoilers to not draw attention from the main parts of the post. Here is more interaction from GB which makes Superbia change his read of scott from town. This looks important: Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 03:55 Superbia wrote: Why is scott the lynch for you, GB? Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 04:04 Superbia wrote: I had scott as town early but re-viewing his filter idk why.
GB can you flesh this out? Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 04:04 GlowingBear wrote:On September 07 2015 04:04 Superbia wrote: I had scott as town early but re-viewing his filter idk why.
GB can you flesh this out? Yes I can. I'm going to write a case once I get home. And indeed, Superbia brings up GB's case on Scott: Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 05:50 Superbia wrote:On September 07 2015 05:36 GlowingBear wrote:Superbia, I'm home but I'm not feeling well, so I'm not going to format it well so I can take a quick nap quicker: On September 05 2015 09:15 scott31337 wrote:On September 05 2015 08:29 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 08:20 CopCake wrote: In which page the game started? 9 @rayn. I just think your expectations are too high too early like yes I get you want people to play seriously but that is difficult from the get go especially for some people and i would imagine it would lead to the game kind of fizziling out early because WTF are people going to be talking about. That coupled with the fact that you asked for a blue claim so we could lynch GB IN A NEWBIE GAME is just wrong. I get none of the "newbies" are that new but did you really think the optimal play was for someone to claim a blue role. I can understand that you want people to play seriously but I don't understand asking a blue role to claim The scenarios you suggested after someone claims are jsut as bad because any claim outside of the vigi setup is a doc, cop or JK which will just get RB'd to eternity and poof you've lost your power role on D1. Even if GB flipped scum it would hardly be worth it. On September 05 2015 08:29 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 08:20 CopCake wrote: In which page the game started? 9 @rayn. I just think your expectations are too high too early like yes I get you want people to play seriously but that is difficult from the get go especially for some people and i would imagine it would lead to the game kind of fizziling out early because WTF are people going to be talking about. That coupled with the fact that you asked for a blue claim so we could lynch GB IN A NEWBIE GAME is just wrong. I get none of the "newbies" are that new but did you really think the optimal play was for someone to claim a blue role. I can understand that you want people to play seriously but I don't understand asking a blue role to claim The scenarios you suggested after someone claims are jsut as bad because any claim outside of the vigi setup is a doc, cop or JK which will just get RB'd to eternity and poof you've lost your power role on D1. Even if GB flipped scum it would hardly be worth it. A quote and so much talk from Breshke day 1 makes me wonder if he wants to try to change his ways - which for a D1 - townlean. More Breshke walls of text - GB smoking/drinking again - and follow his opposite On September 05 2015 08:23 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 08:12 Superbia wrote: Do you really think GB is mafia here? I don't care i stopped reading his posts. I hope a vigilante shoots him. Ok, you're mafia ##Vote: Rayn Re-read Supers post here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24820236- + Show Spoiler +On September 05 2015 08:33 Superbia wrote: I'm about to head off. Won't be around tomorrow until around this time. Some incoherent thoughts (pretty tired).
Think rayn's response to GB's claim is over the top. I don't think there is any need for any blue to out at the moment. Pretty sure we can get productive d1 going without any blue shenanigans. Actually kinda makes me dislike rayn, but I had townie vibes from him early on so whatever. Also he just called me town so I'm fine with him being town for now.
Curious to see what comes off rayn/yamato co-op stuff.
Initially disliked yamato's opening. After what rayn just said it's okay for now. Interested in rayn's follow up opinion.
Don't really like moosy I think. Especially the purposely random typing (different from pre-game). Also can't really find a reasoning behind his posts yet (might be bc I'm tired).
Dislike breshke who feels bitter in his latest post (mafia trait imo). Feels weird to see him admit to scummy-esque things. IDK what he's doing as either alignment. Have to see later.
GB is idk. Don't really care about the (fake) claim that much tbh.
Rest also IDK.
So yeah. Follow rayn for now probably. Don't claim blue though. No matter what he says. I'll see where you guys are at tomorrow. Good information but I'm already blitzed. N00bking's posts bad like last game. He's my worst right now. Rayn town Yamato doing shit - town This post may appear contributive at first glance but it's basically a summary of the thread at that point and reads accordingly to thread sentiment, bringing nothing new to the table. Why is Rayn town, why he is so quick to give yamato a townread like that? Why just saying I'm "drinking" again, discrediting me? It's a bunch of rehash with an attempt of looking contributive without actually contributing. He then starts to post reads accordingly to his progression on the pages of thread, cluttering the thread with partial and outdated information he keeps further reevaluating instead of just giving his opinion on one big post. My problem with this is that he is again trying to look contributive while not actually being contributive. Worse. He is cluttering the thread just to show "look, I'm doing stuff!" instead of interacting and actually search for Mafia. He is very bold when he gives reads. Calls Nocturne "town" with no back reqsoning when he was suspicious of mage's slot. He gives 3 names of people he thinks are Mafia and he could lynch (sayinf maybe I'm not Mafia an cake is) but posts this: On September 06 2015 23:48 scott31337 wrote: I could lynch boxer but it feels like policy really. For someone who has 3-4 scumreads, this is extremely scummy. Why is he okay with boxer's lynch if he has THREE better targets and he even ADMITS boxer is only a policy? I see no better lynch. People's opinions on this? At this point of filter diving, I have to say that Superbia's filter is full of oneliners, full of questions that lead to nowhere and don't do a thing. Not liking this at all. Also, he really likes GB's case on scott (this is one of the rare occasions where Superbia actually says his opinion). Here, he says it even multiple times: Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 05:53 Superbia wrote: You guys really think GB's case is terrible? Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 05:58 Superbia wrote: I think GB's view on scott is pretty okay. Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 06:01 Superbia wrote: I'm actually pretty confused this d1. I usually have a direction I want to push the game, but rayn has kind of taken over the role I usually take in a game. Which leaves me stranded. I'm kind of okay with noobking getting lynched at this point and seeing where he flips takes us. Simply because I don't have any strong mafia reads. My gut would say moosy and go from there, but it may very well be wrong. Scum read on Moosy, again (consistent!). However lateron, Slam calls Superbia out on his growing wishy-washyness: Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 06:16 Superbia wrote:On September 07 2015 06:07 Alakaslam wrote:On September 07 2015 06:05 Superbia wrote:On September 07 2015 06:05 Alakaslam wrote:On September 07 2015 06:01 Superbia wrote: I'm actually pretty confused this d1. I usually have a direction I want to push the game, but rayn has kind of taken over the role I usually take in a game. Which leaves me stranded. I'm kind of okay with noobking getting lynched at this point and seeing where he flips takes us. Simply because I don't have any strong mafia reads. My gut would say moosy and go from there, but it may very well be wrong. :/ Please participate. No excuses. How am I not participating? Why did your opinion change? You were fine calling me town a few hours ago. You were making good points, now you are like "meh I am cool with a noobking lynch and see where that takes us" NO! Who do you think is scum? You don't seem to be confident it is noobking. That post was just bad, I would scum read you for it outside your past flow. Weigh in on stuff please I don't fucking know at this point man. Gut says it's one between moosy or copcake. One between scott/GB. And maybe someone like you. But it could also easily be someone like noobking in there. But here's the problem, noobking doesn't look like his mafia meta on this site, but the fact that he has played on other sites (and judging from what he's said, played a lot) makes me believe he can probably play mafia in multiple ways. So I don't know about noobking's alignment. He doesn't really seem to want to contribute at all, which doesn't help me at all. Like the problem is that I'm stucking between worlds right now. And this is mostly caused by the fact that both rayn and yamato believe in a world which I don't really believe in right now. Like they both think copcake is town, and they both think scott is town. I think they're both town and decent/good players. This leaves me confused. This is accurate. How big is the chance the scum!superbia would call out both of his team mates in one post (scott/gb vs. moosy/copcake)? This makes me feel he's town. Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 06:35 Superbia wrote: I don't know about GB to be honest, but it's sort of mafia to go afk instead of participate in EoD discussion. I kind of liked what he had to say about scott in his case thingy. You guys disagree. You guys know more about GB-meta. I think I'm keeping my vote on noobking, but if we have a vigi I wouldn't be heartbroken about a GB shot so we can get that shit out of the way. This is huge. Again that makes me feel Superbia is town. I am now at his huge list post and will refer to this in a different post for the sake of readability. tl;dr - I actually think Superbia is not a good lynch this day. He appears townie to me after I fully evaluated his filter. I think you are reaching hard here, bud. Moosy moves up - He's pulled a lot of energy and caring boxer moves down. I'll give more quotes tomorrow. My thoughts right now - 2/4 in Breshke/Boxerfred/Superbia/MoosyDoosy Town team are
CopCake/Slam/Fidei/scott/nmI have a good town plan and don't want to let the mafia get any ideas of my plan - they are flailing once GB got busted - smart town should understand. Unless you have a better case, Superbia needs to get lynched. I'll be up before deadline. what?
On September 13 2015 00:37 CopCake wrote: please check what I bolded fellow townies :p
On September 13 2015 00:42 CopCake wrote: Idk why cake is town but she is a fucking big town read.
Even slam said the read wasn't unreasonable. Weakest town read.
copcake the tone reader wouldn't vote him on tmi, but that's just....
...it's reminding me of why I scumread her to begin with on d1.
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I will vote Cake if we can get a train on her instead. between boxerfred and cake I prefer cake tbh. boxerfred is mainly poe for me and no one else was voting cake.
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superbia - what in that exchange makes you absolutely think scott was hard bussing gb d1? where are you so sure?
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I just went through it and I'm struggling with that one liner I mentioned
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On September 13 2015 07:08 Alakaslam wrote: I sheep Breshke. My paradigm was shattered by that claim.
what do you think about scott hard bussing?
what do you think about copcake's read just now on scott?
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if we vote scott (and honestly I'm stuck on him) to save superbia, we have the issue with bf/cake. both those two have voted off-wagon. superbia's rationale for voting slam sorta makes sense in this respect.
I can't think of anyway to save superbia, though, this is totally going to be a mislynch.
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On September 13 2015 07:15 Superbia wrote: Like this silence is pretty fucking disgusting.
yeah, I learnt pretty quickly observing that silent lynches (in the absence of a scumclaim) is a mislynch.
lynch copcake or boxerfred. I'm serious. preferably copcake. if that's a mislynch then I won't hide from what I did.
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On September 13 2015 07:16 Alakaslam wrote: I kind of don't like Breshke suddenly being silent.
how long ago did he disappear? timezone issues?
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Slam what are you doing if you are not sheeping Breshke?
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Scott if you are not mafia, what do you think between boxerfred/copcake?
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Slam doesn't believe in a copcake lynch.
Fidei voting boxerfred after he said he was pressed for time?
this is not good. fuck.
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MoosyDoosy where in the bloody hell are you right now?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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I "could" move to BF. alright fair play.
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On September 13 2015 07:27 Superbia wrote: Like fucking kill me over him. Literally. I'm VT. If there's another cop just lynch him tomorrow.
this late in the game, you are far more stronger townie than he. there's no way I'd lynch you over him.
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On September 13 2015 07:28 Fidei86 wrote: Um. Sort of wish we could have done this five minutes ago. The only other person I'd move to is Cake.
Move to cake pleeeeeaaasseeeeeee....... :/
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actually no forget it, there's no time, this is bad.
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Slam why did you switch back to superbia?
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On September 13 2015 07:50 CopCake wrote: This also makes me wonder another thing, if Fidei is James, then he is the last scum.
I mean, moosy knows TOO MUCH info of me and the other reason he would get those is if he is team with someone who has played with me before.
Maybe alakasam also.
Are you trying to say that md is coming to a conclusion on your alignment abruptly? like he's saying your scum, but that would only make sense if you and he are on a team together.
as in you two have been double bussing the whole game. if he argues you are town without having a good reason to call you town that would be a valid TMI argument.
he's not doing either. and where in this forum are you drawing a MD and Fidei team?
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Not to mention your read on Scott also didn't make much sense.
Scott did not feel you were "confirmed town" but wasn't going to lynch you. that is two different things. you highlighted what you thought was a contradiction in his read on you but really wasn't.
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On September 13 2015 07:42 NocturneMage wrote: Slam why did you switch back to superbia?
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OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG
I HAVE A REDCHECK ON COPCAKE!!!!!
SHE IS CONFIRMED MAFIA!!!!!!!!!
FUCKING LYNCH HER RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!
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YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
FUCK YES!!!!!
RAYN YOU WERE SO FUCKING WRONG
I KNEW IT
NOW WILL YOU PEOPLE FUCKING LISTEN TO ME!!!!!
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FUCKING VINDICATION
FUCKING SWEET VINDICATION!!!!!!
##vote Copcake
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Yes sorry, I got overly excited, Yes this is a hard claim. I am the cop.
Night 1 - Alakaslam - green Night 2 - Superbia - green Night 3 - Copcake - red
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I can explain each of them as well.
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You have no idea how I feel right now because rayn and yamato and everyone else kept shooting us down, this town would have never lynched her.
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In case there's still anyone that doesn't believe me...
Night 1 - Alakaslam
I checked Alakaslam because I had trouble with his read direction and his filter was extremely tenuous and I couldn't tell if he was intentionally trying to do that. Even after the greencheck since (at that time) a godfather or framer was in the picture and because I couldn't follow his read on Breshke at ALL, I looked at him as possible godfather. But all his shit lined up.
Result - town aligned
Night 2 - Superbia
Superbia was asking loads of questions and not doing MUCH with them if anything at all. I took through the conversation with him and Breshke and I honestly felt he was the better of the two prior to the Breshke claim. After this check though, I think he's really stepped it up thinking through a possible Scott bus (which I'm STILL not sure of).
Result - town aligned
Night 3 - Copcake.
I checked Copcake because besides her push on GlowingBear, she really hasn't done dick all for town by any sense of standard. She told me night 2 (I think) she was a tone reader. She's a voice mafia player? fine. so that's her standard. but her pushes either are just horrifically wrong or make no sense. I highlighted this from day 1 and tried pushing her on it. NO ONE listened to me, and only MoosyDoosy agreed with me. Both rayn and Yamato shut us down pretty hard, and once Fidei and superbia vouched for them, I pretty much took to her with one eye open.
Someone argued that the nightkills were suboptimal. At first I thought the Yamato kill was suboptimal for mafia copcake but then I realised the Yamato kill had to have been done anyhow because it was a medic dodge for rayn. Rayn is getting killed by EVERY mafia team out there - Copcake if mafia is not the only mafia team. So the kills as far as I realise are NAI for Copcake.
Language barrier aside, the manner in which she continues to push moosy doosy is astonishing, as if she's seeing it from an exclusively mafia lens. I asked her night 2 who was mafia. she responds Breshke, at that time it made some sense, but he's claimed doctor now, so where did she go after the last mislynch?
back to MD, Fidei and possibly Alakaslam.
like her reasoning for D1 that she used against SEVERAL people were town behaviours used from an exclusively mafia lens. As in selective thinking. The reasoning she used against MD is probably worse than any of the bullshit she spewed in her list post.
And Fidei argued she shouldn't be getting all that much credit for her pushing GlowingBear.
She had to be checked - there's zero way I want to even chance going into lylo with her. If she's town, she risks being mislynched as we move to late game just like boxerfred.
Result - mafia aligned
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honestly I don't think it's Fidei. Fidei is the one that brought up that Copcake bussed GB AND that she should not get the towncred she tried to collect.
Ultimately that's what helped me swing my decision towards checking her.
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You know what I think stinks about Alakaslam? His vote switch back from boxerfred to superbia end of day last cycle.
What the fuck was that all about? boxerfred was still lynched but what was he tryign to do?
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I need to look at the final votes again.
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It's almost midnight here and I have work tomorrow. But now we all know what to do.
I feel so fucking vindicated right now. I really hope Team Copcake (the people defending her) are reading this in the fucking obs qt and fucking kicking themselves right now.
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she tried to push MD, Fidei and "possibly" Alakaslam last night.
I queried her earlier and she said Breshke was mafia for lurking or similar.
let me pull up her key posts since I have a LITTLE more time left.
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Possible associative read with Alakaslam -
On September 06 2015 02:46 CopCake wrote: Why is slam mafia?
On September 06 2015 02:56 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 02:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 06 2015 02:46 CopCake wrote: Why is slam mafia? - because he was catching up he didn't address my posts almost at all. i have a huge lot meta on him and when he is town he usually trusts me (when he thinks i am town, and he does here). here he doesn't. - his point on Breshke getting "thrown off" which he hasn't explained. There are these "filter" buttons in people's posts. If you click it you can have an ISO of that persons posts in this game. Read my filter, it's all there. But doesn't that make him townie? Like if he knows his meta and how he works, and he knows how you read him, wouldn't he try to mimic that as mafia? Mafia would try to win town's or strong player's trust, so I think that if he was mafia he would try to just act as "alakazam" town unless he is very very bad at faking it.
On September 06 2015 03:00 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 14:29 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 14:07 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:yamato i am almost certain Slam is mafia. On September 05 2015 08:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 08:56 yamato77 wrote: I don't think baiting rayn into getting angry is the right way to be playing this D1.
He's been fairly obvious town so far. glowingbear does that as scum though. he banks on me coming to a conclusion "too dumb to be scum", but he's played that card already so it does not work. idk maybe Breshke is town after all, we'll see. I really think Slam is mafia, can you see why? On September 05 2015 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 09:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 05 2015 07:46 Breshke wrote: So do we just sit back and wait for the yamato/rayn magic to happen? This was Breshke's post. In this his tone is sarcastic which matches his general acerbic posting. I don't see why you would say this: On September 05 2015 08:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 05 2015 08:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 05 2015 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 08:07 MoosyDoosy wrote: [quote] I feel like it's NAI. It's probably a mix of pun and an observation. If yo uboth are town then you both are going to show something for it. and if u don't then it's an easy way to make some reads off of making an inner circle early on yeah? just some thoughts Of course we are. The reason i am reading yamato town is because i talked with him on TS last night and he has rolled mafia for like 5 games in a row or something and i told him "hey let's wreck mafia if we are both town, it would be nice to play with you when you are actually town and play". He basically promised to play in his first post, because he seems interested in the game and happy. If it's a fake post then i will 100% figure it out based on his play AFTERWARDS, but as per now there is zero reason to think yamato is mafia. I don't really get what you are saying here. Like are you suggesting posts that do not make any sense and do not help town find mafia are not scummy? Because in my opinion they are. Again there was no reason for him to make the post from town perspective, hell he himself clarified that already. Like obviously he is not 100% mafia, which is why i am not voting for him, but that was a HUGE red flag for me. So if Breshke is town he better shape up, because he is actually a decent player when he plays, and i expect everyone who is town to play. What he did so far is far from decent. Superbia can go to townpile aswell. l0l ok. thnx for the background story which helps make ur and yamato's posts make sense. and no im not saying what ur saying doesn't make sense. what i AM saying is that ur nitpicking over a post. because i actually thought that u and yamato associating with each other was a bit strange and i was looking to see what u guys did further. I always nitpick over posts. That's how you find scum. And yes the latter part of your post is reasonable, that's how i would think people react. It's not how Breshke reacted though... He's basically saying he's waiting to see what you guys will do but you're saying that's not what he said? Also thoughts on the evolution of your read on Breshke. At first you think he's very likely to be Mafia then seem to waffle and say we'll have to see later on. Also around this time you seem to want to kill GlowingBear. I don't like how you give up one thing when GlowingBear starts to seem like a better lynch target with his terrible shenanigans. Here is my read evolution of Breshke: - I saw a post i think makes no sense from town perspective. - I asked him about it. - He answered, and then i said "it does not make any sense from town perspective". - I pushed him further, because i wanted a reaction (a better elaboration, in case he is town) and i wanted to make sure he knows i have my eyes on him because he CAN be lazy as town, but if he is town i don't want to allow him to be lazy, and i wanted him to know he does know that. - He said "okay, my post was indeed fluff, but idk what to expect from people at that point of the game" - That makes sense to me, i didn't even originally think about that. But now that he said it it makes a bit more sense. - Then i responded him basically with saying "if you are town you will play, okay" - After that his posting has been better, so i have a reason to believe he is not in fact mafia -> his behavior now to me makes more sense. I focused onto both Breshke and Glowingbear at the same time. I already knew what i would say regarding how GB answers me. I want to cut out the stupidity from this game. Again, i have not been pushing GB, and again, i don't even care if he is mafia or not, he earned himself a spot in "ignore pile", if someone else wants to figure him out do it. I think it's more likely that he is mafia fro what i have said but i am not sure. My "timing" on Breshke/GB thing has nothing to do with anything for reals. I think the most likely people who are mafia in this game atm are Slam & Noobking. On September 05 2015 10:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Cakeycake what's your read on Noobking? And do you think someone (else - if not him) is mafia? On September 05 2015 14:08 Alakaslam wrote: Hijole that is not finished On September 05 2015 14:13 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 10:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 10:08 Breshke wrote: Is the slam thing that he was here at the start of the game seeming excited then just decided to leave? yes, it makes him like 95% mafia. On September 05 2015 10:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 10:12 GlowingBear wrote: You don't think is reasonable to call you Mafia for displaying bad arguments in thread, at least in my POV?
Also, consider I'm town. I'm having very different reads from you. I think Moosy doosy is Mafia and I really don't understand how can you town read him. Do you understand why I think Moosy doosy is Mafia? I am sorry if you think that way but i have displayed zero bad arguments in thread. My arguments on yamato and Slam are in fact really fucking good. My argument on noobking is also good. You are (probably unintentionally) misrepresenting my "argument" on Breshke. So please go back and read what i answered to Moosy. You know i tend to use certainties, if i say "zero reason" it does in fact mean "zero reason in my opinion (at this point)". I push people to contribute, and i pressure them, that's why i use such wording. You should know it, you have played with me enough. I don't undersntad why you think Moosy is mafia. Can you clarify? Or do i need to go read somethign again? On September 05 2015 10:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 10:23 n00bKing wrote:On September 05 2015 10:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 10:08 Breshke wrote: Is the slam thing that he was here at the start of the game seeming excited then just decided to leave? yes, it makes him like 95% mafia. And what's the mafia likelihood on the player that you're voting against instead of him? lol 98% On September 05 2015 10:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: town: MoosyDoosy CopCake scott31337 Superbia GlowingBear yamato77 Breshke
scum: n00bKing Alakaslam
CoughingHydra Fidei86 boxerfred
On September 05 2015 11:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:the third paragraph is jsut outright bullshit for anyone who knows yamato's/Slam's play. fourth is well... how i play as town. + the fact i was not creating a poor atmosphere, in fact you GB were. And i was fucking prodictive, i have been all game long. Over anyone else. fifth is kinda hilarious because he uses "you saying i am 98% scum is useless and stupid crap" as a reason to scumread me when my answer is literally an answer to his stupid question. Stupid questions get stupid answers. sixth is just fucking rofl. Like me saying i am town makes me mafia. Okay right. seventh..... ugh i don't even care anymore, i have been pushing an agenda he thinks is townie all game long, and now i am scum for it. this guy is hilarious. On September 05 2015 11:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 11:40 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 05 2015 11:36 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 11:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 05 2015 11:02 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 10:44 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 05 2015 10:39 GlowingBear wrote:[quote] I understand what you were saying about Breshke. I just think that on early game you can't pick a single post and assume the guy is simply "posting just to post". But if you see the guy doing it in a series of posts, then this would be a hard evidence. Let me show you posts that I think illustrates this better: + Show Spoiler +On September 05 2015 09:04 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 09:01 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 08:29 MoosyDoosy wrote: i like how rayn immediately becomes less angry when copcake entered the thread. we need to keep her alive to calm him down l0l. I'm hating everything you post. Have you ever listend to Eminem - Guts Over Fear? He's definitely lost skill but I like his message better nowadays. On September 05 2015 08:08 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 08:01 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 07:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: GlowingBear final anwer, are you claiming a vigilante or not? I am + Show Spoiler + can u be serious plzerino On September 05 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:9. like u can just scroll thru instead of asking miss. On September 05 2015 08:29 MoosyDoosy wrote: i like how rayn immediately becomes less angry when copcake entered the thread. we need to keep her alive to calm him down l0l. On September 05 2015 08:38 MoosyDoosy wrote: Eminem - No love
oldie but goodie On September 05 2015 08:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 08:42 CopCake wrote: How exactly "rayn calmed down" when I got in?
Couldn't he just calmed down on his own? I was being a funny punny. Zebrahead is actually pretty good too tbh. I like "Falling Apart" the most. On September 05 2015 08:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:HI NOOBKING OMG I LOVE U On September 05 2015 08:53 MoosyDoosy wrote: n00bKing n00bKing. Just a question: Are you mafia? Like, the last post, especially. Why he asks that to noobking? What answer does he expect? mmm...I consider myself the best person in this game to read n00bKing rite now so i know what im doing sir. and everything else i've been doing actually does make sense too. btw have u listened to Eminem - Mockingbird? it's so sad but gr8 m8. kinda funny because the bird got its name for sounding like its mocking people when it's actually not. I don't like Eminem. What did you get from his answer then? im guessing this was the question. 1. eminem doesn't like u. 2. i already said this but n00bKing is town. he's acting like his town game rite now although it would help if u guys stopped antagonizing him. like don't worry he's probably working on a big case right now because that's what he does. he asks a bunch of questions then writes a big case. the reason why rayn probably doesn't know this is because he was in the game where n00bKing was scum and didn't do this. 3. also, the point of me asking him was to set a rapport. the biggest tell in n00bking's scum game is how he posts. he posts more friendly/has more rapport as a scum. however, what he did was respond and then got to business straight away. this leads me to believe him as a town as he focused straight away after acknowledging me. and it's natural for him to acknowledge me because i've been in all of his past games and we've done some good work together. Why can't noobking do point 3 as mafia? n00bking is one of those players that are really bad at faking things as mafia. it was my mistake to not realize it in retrospect but i've learned from that game. I am actually asking because from what i remember it's not the thing of "being bad at faking stuff". It's the thing of being unable to understand if the people who know something better (in this case other people - like me/yamato/slam here, or like Rels in the last game) say something there is probably something behind it. Like if people who know certain people better than he does call them mafia/town, he is jsut incapable of even aknowledging the fact he could be wrong and the rest of the people are right (which btw goes against this): The name of the game is for the Town players to work together, and create conditions where the Scum players cannot conceal themselves. With that goal in mind, everything rayn does is wrong. On September 05 2015 12:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: hey slam can you make an mspaint picture of how town you are in this game? I discounted those on my own, I had 11 Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 14:33 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 14:23 n00bKing wrote:On September 05 2015 13:35 GlowingBear wrote: Slam, rayn did not cast suspicions on you so he could catch lazy mafia trying to lynch town slam. Agree. I never claimed that. I claimed Rayn push had an unintended side effect Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 14:34 n00bKing wrote: No one gives a shit about this 9 posts vs 3 posts, 4 posts vs 3 posts, 11 posts vs 3 posts crap. Knock it off. Like no way in hell alakazam and noobking are mafia together
On September 06 2015 06:10 CopCake wrote: For the list so far that has been participating:
MoosyDoosy: He has an obsessions with my posts and i don't know why. When I arrived he said "rayn calmed down when cake arrived" which is like ???? he claims it is because rayn got happy in the sign up thread but it kinda looked like he was waiting for me. Since then he hasn't fucked stopped. He claims that my posts are "useless" and I beg to differ. He also says that I have been pocketing people (lol the workd pocketing) which is NOT TRUE because I am like, getting my own info on my own way, if I was POCKETING people I have my own ways and I have been doing a bad job pocketing if people have eyes on me, no? Oh the irony, so yeah you also fucking need to stop people to ASK WHAT DO YOU THINK? AND SHARE WHAT THE FUCK YOU THING BESIDES ME if you are fucking town, i don't know why rayn thinks you are town, effort? that's what people is saying so far but you just checking every step i do with a giant glass is what i don't call effort. When you asked glowing bear about what he thinks your answer was just "mmm" I mean it looks like you REALLY TRIED and CARED for his opinnion, I think you are pretending to put effort but you are actually doing nothing, you are just doing a mimic of what a town looks like. "HEY LOOK AT ME I AM ASKING QUESTIONS HEY EMINEM SONG" and guess what? you stopped to share eminem songs or whatever when i called out your bullshit.
n00bKing: I didn't like his entrance nor I liked how he is interacting with rayn. Rayn is pretty town in my opinion and i think it's fucking obvious, he is also closed minded with his "oh but a town shouldn't react the way rayn is doing so" Dude if you are town, you should know rayn is town, i have shared the meta when he is mafia and i guess someone else has done it too, you might have your opinion but the fact rayn is attacking you or someone else doesn't make him mafia, why don't you sit, drink some tea and think in a word in which rayn is town, if he is mistaken prove to ALL OF US why you are TOWN but.... but BUT you have been trying to frame rayn all the fucking way, omg that is absolutely a very townie thing to do. Prove yourself and don't blame anyone of your mistakes. You might say "oh but it is exactly what moose is doing with you", it's different, rayn is looking at other places, moose isn't.
CoughingHydra replaced by NocturneMage Day 1: I didn't like him, felt odd and now is replacing, will say neutral but i want to see his replacement.
CopCake: Town forever
Alakaslam: I know some of you have him as a little scum lean earlier but I think he is town. You might say "oh he is faking his meta" or "he sucks at faking" but from my point of view he would try to blend in and pretend to be town if he was mafia. Like if a strong player has a meta on him, wouldn't he try to be the most possible to look as his town meta? He also doesn't feel agressive or like trying to throw dirt unlike noobking and moose.
Fidei86: Uh he is like, he exists but at the same time he doesnt. Little scum lean since i doubt the three mafia are active.
scott31337: Town so far.
Superbia: The few she has made look pretty town so far, she is trying to solve the game and give her perspective.
GlowingBear: I don't like how fucking wishy washy he is with his reads and votes, he is also focusing on useless details. It's like he doesn't care who he is voting for. His also "omg i am town vigilante" looks like yeah dude, doesnt care if he dies because if he aint the vig the vig will vig him and if you were the vig you would shut up so mafia wouldn't attack you, you are pretty much an "i dont care lol" this whole game. But with everything you have caused with your claim you should have at least for now try to be serious but you haven't changed, mafia lean.
boxerfred: Don't remember him.
yamato77: Domo arigato mr yamato is town, I was mafia with him last game, he sucks as mafia. He would also be epic mia.
Breshke: Uhhhh nothing has stood up a lot with me with this person.
raynpelikoneet: Town.
in my initial case, she's hard defending him for a very bad reason - "being nice".
I had a massive problem and made a stink about this read d1.
It is something to consider for slam being the godfather, but should weigh with other factors.
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On September 14 2015 08:07 MoosyDoosy wrote: actually, Superbia comes off looking worse from this check.
for the townread on copcake or for something else?
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MoosyDoosy - I can't see these two (him and cake) double bussing all game - town NocturneMage - cop and so town even if I wasn't the cop CopCake - mafia, the (unflipped) roleblocker Alakaslam - greenchecked n1 - could be mafia Fidei86 - I really really really really really think he's town scott31337 - probably town Superbia - greenchecked n2
Honestly, lynch slam and superbia in that order I feel.
Alakaslam voted very early on GB, did he not? How early was too early?
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On September 14 2015 08:24 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 08:09 NocturneMage wrote:On September 14 2015 08:07 MoosyDoosy wrote: actually, Superbia comes off looking worse from this check. for the townread on copcake or for something else? For giving cop advice at End of Night. I was clearly asking him for reads and his thoughts on who's town as I saw that he was in thread, but he gave out cop recommendations instead.
Alright I need to look at that then. Because I might have missed that as I was questioning Copcake....
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Oh wait...END of night? Fuck me, I was playing League.
Hold on.
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On September 14 2015 06:34 Superbia wrote: I think both slam and copcake are decent copchecks. The latter because most people have doubts about her alignment. I thought she was town most of the game, haven't re-evaluated her. Think there were/are better kills. Still think fidei is a decent kill. Slam too probably. EoD votes mean little because they were both on town. Don't know what slam was doing or thinking if he is town, however.
Alright, I don't see a mafia partner asking the cop to check his partner.
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I mean if superbia really is the godfather, we have to go back and see what else makes him mafia but it would appear there's more evidence in Alakaslam's direction.
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Though superbia's push on Fidei....does it make sense from a town perspective?
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I remember I partially checked Alakaslam because he had a weird push on Breshke and he dropped it for "tinfoil" reasons.
He dropped the scumread out of nowhere. That's another point against Slam.
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Damn me, it's getting late. I have work in the morning this time.
Will pick it up tomorrow.
One mafia roleblocker on a plate, coming right up!
Good night all!
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It's a bad thing to say really regardless of alignment really.
I should be catching a break again in an hour, more diving when I do.
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On September 14 2015 21:17 MoosyDoosy wrote: The thing is that Cake was pretty happy to bus GB right off the bat which isn't hard to see as he was just the Mafia Goon. On the other hand, she was pretty hard townreading Alakaslam off the bat and never really changed her weird despite how bad Slam looked at certain points.
Yeah. Per database, yamato (who also argued that slam was town) has played a lot of games as has Rayn and Slam.
He said slam was town, though Rayn said he was Mafia. It's one thing for experienced players to be making those comments but people new to the community would be having a much more difficult time reading someone like Slam.
And Cake/Slam random convo to me is not very alignment indicative for Slam (agreed it is for cake) since both were hard townreading each other.
I won't be alive to make the decision but had I been it'd be Scumcake, then Slam then Superbia.
I looked at the votes from Day 1 and Superbia at no point voted GB pre or post claim, so no indication there.
Going to look at GB/Cake/Superbia interactions but to be honest I don't recall too many.
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Why is Superbia so eager to kill Fidei though? I don't understand.
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Doublechecked through Scott's filter, explanation for his early push on GB made sense, as he said it was meta. (Post 2609)
His reads on GB and MD and such all seemed to have evolved normally. He does ping out Copcake in 2620 and explains why but puts priority on Boxerfred. Can't see him draw attention to her like that when he previously thought she was town unless he is trying to set himself up for late game.
Don't think.
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Alakaslam tries to push Scott for being afk and mentions that he and his other scumread are scared of him when Scott mentioned why. (Post 2331)
Not sure if that's bad town or Mafia.
It does look opportunistic.
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Alakaslam -
who do you think is the final Mafia?
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tbh Copcake is Mafia and she tried to leave or faked trying to leave its not a stretch you would regardless of your real life situation, you have to stop playing regardless of alignment.
I really don't think he was being malicious, you're a question mark and he's trying to work around that.
I actually think you are last mafia irrespective of your activity but a mafia Superbia seems to be very capable from his Campus Mafia filter of going long and deep to victory.
we are not ignoring that.
as for the ban comment, he's not a host so not really worth getting worked up on. Meh.
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On September 07 2015 03:35 Superbia wrote: I'm here. Haven't read past few pages. Game kinda feels hard.
rayn/yamato still very town. Stuck on moosy's alignment. Something feels off compared to previous game filters. Not sure what, still reading. His associative read triggered all sorts of re-evaluations. Stuck on noobking's alignment. His post style feels different from his mafia post style. Planning on reading into his meta after moosy. Feels like moosy may have spewn him town if moosy is mafia. IDK copcake tied into this. Also stuck on her alignment. Don't know about slam/gb. Both seem very much on the sidelines. bf superlurk. Last game he did this he was PR and got lynched d1 for it. To be honest, I think I may have the PRs down to a small circle already (of either mafia or PR) and he's not among them. Need to hear from people who have played with him.
So yeah. Still very much in the process of evaluation. Here for questions and talking if people are around. Specifically the 3 above. Very busy tabbing between game filters though. So don't expect a superquick response.
On September 07 2015 06:16 Superbia wrote: Like the problem is that I'm stucking between worlds right now. And this is mostly caused by the fact that both rayn and yamato believe in a world which I don't really believe in right now. Like they both think copcake is town, and they both think scott is town. I think they're both town and decent/good players. This leaves me confused.
On September 07 2015 05:15 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 05:13 CopCake wrote:On September 07 2015 05:08 Superbia wrote: You think moosy would set up an associative lynch on you that is like this: - CopCake is mafia if n00bking flips town - CopCake is town if n00bking flips mafia.
If he's mafia?? there are two options: He is mafia with noobking and someday had the confidence they are going to get me lynched and be like oooppsss Moosy is mafia, knows that noobking is town for obs reasons coz he is mafia, is enjoying this lynch and is setting me up for the next day. Do you think really that think the first option is a logical world?
On September 07 2015 05:18 Superbia wrote: (It's only logical if you're mafia with exactly those 2)
Like he has been pretty much tunneling you the entire day. Your alignment has been iffy for many players (including myself).
If you're town and he's mafia with noobking (which is the world you're proposing), then he's throwing away his miss lynch. Hard. He is allowing his team mate to get lynched d1 and he is throwing away a/his miss lynch for the next day.
On September 07 2015 05:18 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 05:16 CopCake wrote:On September 07 2015 05:15 Superbia wrote:On September 07 2015 05:13 CopCake wrote:On September 07 2015 05:08 Superbia wrote: You think moosy would set up an associative lynch on you that is like this: - CopCake is mafia if n00bking flips town - CopCake is town if n00bking flips mafia.
If he's mafia?? there are two options: He is mafia with noobking and someday had the confidence they are going to get me lynched and be like oooppsss Moosy is mafia, knows that noobking is town for obs reasons coz he is mafia, is enjoying this lynch and is setting me up for the next day. Do you think really that think the first option is a logical world? godfather dude. What does the godfather have anything to do with this?
On September 07 2015 05:48 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 05:44 yamato77 wrote: I'm just going to default to sheeping rayn because no one seems particularly interested in listening to me My apologies yamato, I've been too focused on people I think may be scummy. Rayn/yamato, what do you think of the fact that copcake thinks a mafia circle with both moosy and noobking is likely? Even though moosy (if he's mafia) would (in his world) lock clear copcake as town if noobking is mafia.
On September 07 2015 06:47 Superbia wrote: Oh yeah. Opinions on noobking/glowingbear/copcake please pre-flip. From everyone.
Noobking- Mafia Glowingbear- Neutral (town-lean before but yamato/rayn buttfucking town-lean) Copcake- No idea.
So all d1 superbia struggles with Copcake's alignment. Nearly all of d1.
And then out of nowhere, this?
On September 09 2015 00:49 Superbia wrote: Cake
After playing voice mafia with cake I think she's town this game. Looks similar to her voice-mafia town tells.
Could "scumperbia" just have tried to ease off when the pressure was clearly off?
any input?
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On September 15 2015 04:54 CopCake wrote: ##Vote: CopCake
ROFLMAO.
I might be new around here but I have heard of the baby seal concept.
Maybe you can at least amuse us.
Post some baby seals
Anyways....
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On September 12 2015 00:00 Superbia wrote: Speaking of sson. Slam is a town. So is copcake btw. She is probably super inno child here. Killing the only two people she would want to play with? Super good reads d1? Ya, pretty town.
LOL fuck that. I don't know how I missed this before.
On September 12 2015 00:22 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2015 00:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 12 2015 00:21 Superbia wrote:On September 12 2015 00:17 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 12 2015 00:17 Superbia wrote:On September 12 2015 00:15 Breshke wrote: Yeah because me being serious had nothing to do with rayn biting at me from the get go
Explain why I would to be a pr Why did you have a problem with rayn going on you? i think town would have a problem if people were on them. At fucking 10 minutes into the game? No. As town you evaluate people: Why is he pushing on me? I know my alignment, what does that make him? Etc. You don't become bitter so early that someone is pushing on you. Unless you're mafia or a PR. w0w and how did CopCake react to me early on? But carry on with your thoughts bro. Copcake is confirmed town though.
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On September 13 2015 06:59 Superbia wrote: I think we have way better lynches than copcake, who I have been townreading all game. I am townreading you both (nocturne/moosy) as well.
On September 14 2015 06:34 Superbia wrote: I think both slam and copcake are decent copchecks. The latter because most people have doubts about her alignment. I thought she was town most of the game, haven't re-evaluated her. Think there were/are better kills. Still think fidei is a decent kill. Slam too probably. EoD votes mean little because they were both on town. Don't know what slam was doing or thinking if he is town, however.
On September 14 2015 07:05 Superbia wrote: I said where I stand: I think fidei and slam are good to look into tomorrow. I've half re-evaluated copcake but I still think both of those are better targets lol.
look at the read on copcake.
I don't even know what to say now.
honestly I would lynch superbia over Scott/Fidei/MD.
it's too bad I will not be alive to make the decision. there is zero chance I would lynch Fidei/Scott over superbia. fucking zero.
if we lynched boxerfred n3 over the actual godfather I swear I'm going to lose my shit in postgame.
Of course as I was a leading proponent of his lynch I really only have myself to blame for that. Fuck my life.
how does he go from innocent child (for a bad reason) to well copcheck them when it looks like thread sentiment.
Like his shit lined up before but now when I look at an associative read between him and copcake, he looks much worse.
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at least I checked superbia.
fuck randomisation for giving superbia the (likely) GF role and not the vanilla mafia role.
let's see if I can find more things.
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On September 15 2015 05:53 MoosyDoosy wrote: Oh yeah, something I forgot to mention was that the night kill WIFOM doesn't make sense. Like, there are other teammates besides CopCake that exist and they were the ones who probably wanted to kill yamato/rayn as the town leaders. Like sure, it did help to clear her, but it doesn't make her confirmed town in any way.
On September 14 2015 07:47 NocturneMage wrote: Someone argued that the nightkills were suboptimal. At first I thought the Yamato kill was suboptimal for mafia copcake but then I realised the Yamato kill had to have been done anyhow because it was a medic dodge for rayn. Rayn is getting killed by EVERY mafia team out there - Copcake if mafia is not the only mafia team. So the kills as far as I realise are NAI for Copcake.
Superbia has fuck load more experience than me. I would assume he should know much better than me.
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well here's the thing.
irrespective of whom I checked.
alakaslam and superbia are objectively the most scummy compared to scott/fidei.
I already looked through scott's filter plus several games of his from the database. I give it about a 5% chance or less he's the godfather. I also saw what was a reasonable explanation for his meta read on gb.
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if you disagree and are seeing stuff on scott/fidei that I am not, let me know. I can look at it.
and if you are somehow (warning: super insane tinfoil alert) the final mafia, town will never win this game.
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Fidei is the last I need to do a serious deep dive on from start to end. But that waits until tomorrow.
I'm going to spend time with the wife and "save" her from playing shitty dota
(no fucking idea how people enjoy that game. zero.)
good night all.
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On September 15 2015 16:30 Fidei86 wrote: Where is Superbia anyway? Has he even posted recently?
If Superbia is final mafia as I suspect, the fact he has posted less than Alakaslam is telling at this point.
At the very least I would expect him to be able to justify or try and justify a push on Fidei. Because I smelt bullshit so far from that push once we were past n1.
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I'm very busy at work but I'll wrap up looking into Fidei and a tinfoil MD before the end of night just so I've covered everything.
Also I'm not sure it is alignment indicative but what in the actual fuck is a chupazi?
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Two down, godfather to go.
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Finished reading up and down Fidei's filter.
We probably should just lynch Fidei for stealing HTS to play dota. The question isn't why, it's why not.
I had to go there
Alright seriously...
The one that stuck out to me was him voting off-wagon d1.
The rest of his reads were pretty clear though and d1 he really didn't seem to have an agenda.
There were a lot of trips and typos and such but this was all explained by him being up late or tired or what have you. I've been there too many times. To me, that is not alignment indicative.
On September 10 2015 07:44 Fidei86 wrote: I really feel that the scum team is most likely two of Cop, NM, Superbia and Breshke.
Then he had the posts about saying Cake didn't have as much or the least towncred from pinging out GB.
He's been all over the shop examining and re-examining reads and re-evaluating.
Really if Fidei is mafia, he can stand as an MP quite easily.
As for the comment on geript giving him advice, scott, I'm not sure a mafia Fidei would be dumb enough to copy and paste advice from the mafia QT. He'd be a lot smarter than that, plus he seems to have a few games under his belt where he could just saying something like that without getting advice as either alignment.
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MoosyDoosy, the tinfoil mafia.
On September 06 2015 09:03 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 05:12 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 06 2015 05:07 Superbia wrote: moosy/noobking/copcake/others. Can you guys make some sort of list post on where you stand? Like on everyone. Specifically I would also like people to give an opinion on the whole noobking/rayn conundrum. What do you think of their alignment? -.- i detailed a post where i lumped people into categories but here you go: town: raynpelikoneet, yamato77 town lean: Superbia, Alakaslam null: Breshke, boxerfred, GlowingBear, scott31337, Fidei86 people to look into: nocturnemage/coughinghydra, copcake ???: n00bKing Okay, so this post. WTF. I started off by running through all the reads one by one, but the thing that really sticks out here is that MD's previous five pages of filter are basically just a defence of n00b. MD goes as far as to say that he has the best read on n00b of everyone in the game, and that he is basically SURE that this is n00b's town meta. But now that there's a wagon picking up on n00b, he's trying to walk that back? Huh? MD you really need to explain this read for me, because at the moment it really stinks.
Did MD have TMI on n00b?
On September 08 2015 21:11 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2015 09:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 08 2015 09:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 08 2015 09:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 08 2015 09:24 Superbia wrote: I'm here. Moosydoosy what do you make of the claims? rayn counterclaims because he's angry and thinks gb is bad at the game. i still think gb claim is BS. fuck you i literally counter claimed because GB claimed my role and is not a doctor. If GB flips town doctor you lynch me the next day. It is simple as that. And you don't think neither of us is mafia which automatically makes you scum. no this can be false because i think you are angry as you are right now and that you're putting enough faith into your gb read to try and kill him. Moosy, I'm trying to get a handle on whether you actually believe what you're saying here. Let me get this straight - you think that it is possible TOWN Rayn is fake counter-claiming DOCTOR GlowingBear, because Rayn is so angry at GB? Let's consider that for a moment. When you get a claim/counter-claim situation as town then you absolutely have to, 100% of the time, lynch whichever of the claimers you don't believe. If they flip blue, you lynch the other claimer. You do this because there is no reason to think that the town claimer is lying. The reason for THAT is because if Rayn is VT and he's CCing GB, he will know we willl have to lynch them both. Town don't lie on these sorts of CCs because if they are wrong, it means two guarantees mislynches, and it ALSO means that town waste two days. Let's say GB flips blue. We then lynch Rayn. We have to as he is a confirmed liar. If Rayn then flips green, we're in triple lylo with no doctor. Put another way, town Rayn would be staking the entire game on his read of GB. More or less. Rayn might be emotional, but he's not a moron. I just refuse to believe that he's that idiotic and egotistical. I have been in voice-Mafia games where he has done this (I think), but those are just quick throwaway games for fun - this is a huge forum game where everyone is putting in hours and hours of time. It's very different. The only reason not to scum read Moosy is that his read of the situation is so far off the beaten path, and makes so little sense, I don't see scum pushing it. Rayn - if you are VT then you will need to personally apologies to every town member for throwing. Everyone else- the vote today is GB 100%. Please read what I said earlier above about the context of Rayn and GB's claim, if you're unsure.
More TMI?
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On September 16 2015 14:02 scott31337 wrote: There's only one mafia left and Alakaslam and Superbia suck.
this. so much this.
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If MoosyDoosy is in three man lylo with Superbia and Fidei....oh man.
More tinfoil.
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26 pages in MD's filter. Alright this is going to wait until lunch. FML.
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Right now, I'd say <5% on Fidei and <5% on scott.
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I know Superbia (shocking, I know right?) took up the topic of TMI bussing on Slam's part. There was Slam' push on Breshke and then the drop which I really didn't care for. The push was organic I felt but the drop was not. It just felt weird.
Fidei making comments on lylo and stuff I think is just him scumreading on superbia as superbia wants him dead hard and mafia superbia may want to keep him alive.
As for MD being in three person lylo, the premise is that if someone that is super towny should be killed off and if he's alive for too long he might be mafia. Like, if there is no logical reason that he should be alive over X then there's an issue. The downside to this is that mafia may have legit reasons for picking that person to be alive, he may be tunnelled on their target of choice/whatever or might be more persuadable or whatever.
And if you are mafia (Scott) then you have severely broken meta but even ignoring that you just overall have a very towny game.
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On September 16 2015 18:36 Fidei86 wrote: The weird thing is that scott, MD, NM and me all seem to have reached exactly the same conclusion, and only one of us, if any, can be mafia. That makes me think that if you guys *is* mafia, you're a lot lot lot better than I'm currently giving you credit for.
There's zero chance I'm alive after the daypost. If I am still alive it makes no sense as I am borderline confirmed (not truly confirmed until I die) and it's a severely suboptimal play for mafia. The only reason I can even think of an outed blue being kept alive is if they are playing otherwise very poorly for town where it's worth killing off a more threatening or influential VT than they, but we are in a late enough stage in the game where this isn't the case.
rayn/yamato are long gone and nearly everyone else now are on the same page.
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Yeah regarding MoosyDoosy, it is severely suboptimal for mafia MD to be bussing the roleblocker the entirety of the game. Now maybe he realised no one would listen to him or he could openly get away with it, but that also requires him to know other players in this game well enough where he knows no one will take him seriously. Per database, he's had four games, 3 of them newbies. Player lists don't indicate most of those same players in this current game.
It's just way the hell out there.
Also MD has never played as mafia, so we don't know if he pulls crazy shit as mafia as he would town. That's the only other problem.
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On September 16 2015 22:12 Superbia wrote: I'll probably try tomorrow and see if I can get you guys on the right path again. We'll probably end up lynching me though. Meh. We'll see.
We all agree to some extent it is Slam. But why are you so damned sure it's Fidei?
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The only thing I recall being weird about MD is when I tried to research Copcake in the database and he talked about a game with rayn and Copcake about them both being mafia, and I couldn't find Copcake in the database.
And rayn grilled him on where that game was - it didn't exist. It was weird.
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On September 16 2015 22:17 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 22:16 NocturneMage wrote:On September 16 2015 22:12 Superbia wrote: I'll probably try tomorrow and see if I can get you guys on the right path again. We'll probably end up lynching me though. Meh. We'll see. We all agree to some extent it is Slam. But why are you so damned sure it's Fidei? This. I don't know how you're scum reading scott and Fidei. hm...I'd really like to know because they both just made really weird posts which is kind of freaking me out.
eh, Superbia sort of explained it before, but it's not really making sense besides the argument that Fidei voted off wagon d1.
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On September 16 2015 22:11 MoosyDoosy wrote: scott, how do you know geript is the Mafia coach?
That would be a pretty hilarious scum slip if this was true and he was final mafia.
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On August 25 2015 20:53 rsoultin wrote: Q: I want to talk about coaching, or have a question about coaching. Where should I ask this? A: PM me. Do not post in the thread about coaching.
OP is pretty straightforward. Whoops.
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I came up with a possible town explanation for Fidei's assumption that we are going to lylo.
When you are mafia (I know from newbie 13) you get rid of the more stubborn people or the people that are willing to re-evaluate. You need to pick the nightkills that favour your survival.
Fidei as town could be knowing he'll be in lylo when presumably mafia superbia is pushing his lynch and is relatively persuasive in pushing Fidei's lynch in a world where Slam gets mislynched.
This should be obvious as town only have two mislynches remaining.
What Fidei said there, that is not exclusive mafia behaviour.
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Oh shit. You're right. Unless he is absolutely convinced mafia have to be in Slam and Superbia, and those two get us to lylo where one of them is town.
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This is really annoying.
I'm not sure about the concession argument. There are mafia players even when they are the last one left if they know they have even a slightest shot of manipulating town, they will attempt to manipulate town.
I read Down Under 3. Scum lost first two mafia first two days. The final mafia tryharded massively to get to 2-1 lylo. He lost, but he gave it everything he got and got to where he was. Obvious town players got mislynched under some really dumb circumstances, and he made it work for him.
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EBWOP - I read and observed Down Under 3
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Unless you have insanely good meta reads on everyone here which is impossible with only 4 games on you, I don't think the "would he or wouldn't he concede" argument is the way to go with this particularly when the top two candidates for lynch are veteran (superbia/slam) players.
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I will be back one more time before the daypost.
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posting from mobile - quick thought to anyone still researching
copcake had very little chance of getting lynched prior to my claim. Neither of MD nor myself had shit for influence.
so for anyone tinfoiling look a little more into the people that townread her or avoided trying to bring attention to her.
- in this light, superbia at least suggested copcake - pretty sure alakaslam hard townread her - pretty sure scott was townreading her though later he said he was frustrated with her not helping - fidei was debating switching to her end of day 3 but he didn't - scott had "bigger fish to fry" over copcake - might need to re-check those bigger fish and see if that made sense
something that popped into my head thinking about this game.
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On September 17 2015 01:12 Fidei86 wrote: Also will try to bring a more positive mental attitude to proceedings.
proceedings? you sound like a lawyer. let us know whom do you want to stand trial when you are through.
On September 13 2015 07:06 Fidei86 wrote: Like, Bresh dies 100% tonight, I think. Then we're stuck in LYLO-1 with BF and Cake, who are the easiest mislynch wagons there are (if they are actually town), and don't look like they're looking to actually solve the game AT ALL.
I'm thinking I could move onto BF ... or maybe even Cake honestly. I think Superbia is mafia, but honestly I've been wrong before a fair bit and going this far into the game with two intense lurkers is filling me with apprehension. My Cake read was based on stuff from D1, but she's done next to nothing since.
I'm also kind of confused as to why Slam is AFKing, and why most of his posts over the last day or so have been spammy.
This game is hard.
forget it.
I forgot Fidei mentioned that Copcake doesn't get much towncred from the GB bus and the swing occurred with very little time, so it's NAI he didn't switch to cake and town indicative he drew her out in this quote.
Under the scummate shield theory, final mafia is probably not Fidei.
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tinfoiling scott again.
On September 12 2015 18:01 scott31337 wrote: Moosy we are not lynching Copcake tomorrow so tell me your #2 when I wake up tomorrow.
CopCake Alakaslam Superbia boxerfred
Each tell me your #1 lynch.
MoosyDoosy, CopCake, Alakaslam, Superbia, boxerfred Superbia (2): scott31337, Breshke Breshke (2): Fidei86, NocturneMage MoosyDoosy (0): Alakaslam
Not Informing (5): MoosyDoosy, CopCake, Alakaslam, Superbia, boxerfred
Mafia love to wait on their vote BTW
On September 13 2015 07:24 scott31337 wrote: I think boxer is worse out of the two. Copcake calling me mafia and voting seems unnatural for the reasons (I believe because I put him in the weak side of the town circle, but didn't understand this and I explained it)
copcake calling him mafia should have made her worse than boxerfred, but not sure of his read on boxerfred. Backtracking.
On September 12 2015 17:52 scott31337 wrote:Fidei seems tunnelled on the Superbia/Breshke arguement - I still see townie vibes here - Breshke's play has gotten downhill - and the BS above - I doubt he'll keep a vote on Superbia, he tried once. It could be a flail from the scum team - I think they are scared. He hasn't shown me anything positive to town. I'm up for a bit - then sleep and get up before deadline. Moosy gets some decent points for how much he's tried, and when he did calm down - looks more focused at finding scum. Fidei is slightly better. I just don't see the Copcake confirmed town - still on the better fish to fry NM - Way more posting then his last game (as mafia) - like a busy town man - townlean. Boxerfred ... ohhhh Show nested quote +On September 12 2015 05:16 boxerfred wrote: It's so fucking hard to keep up with that thread. The last ~5 pages were lots of bullshit about power roles that is a totally irrelevant discussion. Whatever one thinks who is a power role will only help scum if he talks about it. The whole PR stuff is pointless. How is that even perceived as a push?
Here is my stance on the game: I'm a low activity poster. I'm aware that it should be easy for scum to set me up for a mislynch based on this. Whenever I come in the thread, I have to read another 20 pages of spammy shit. It would be great if you guys could just get back on track and think about where to locate scum or where to lynch to gain as much information as possible.
We are in a situation where it's likely that mafia knows since D2 that they'll lose a member. Since they insta-shot rayn during the night, mafia were SURE that he's the doctor. Right? Right? That makes me feel like the kill itself was a scum slip in terms of the setup. The Doctor setup is likely as fuck. I talked about this already earlier.
So what is scum supposed to do (as a team)? They'll try to get a mislynch, they are in desperate need for that especially after rayn flipped VT and not blue. So I'm really interested in who pushes MD and why they do so. Especially if MD is indeed lynched and flips green. At this point I don't think town can come further by evaluating people on scummy behavior but moreso by evaluating people in terms of town indications. It's one way to find indicators for scum alignment to win the game. Another way is to find indicators of town alignment on everyone else. We followed the first way and it got us GB, cool, great! However I think while we should not abandon that completely, we should consider focussing more on town reads.
At this point, I have the following town reads:
- scott (even forgot why, need to check, however don't have the time) - superbia (reasons stated in my huge case) - Alakaslam. What i remember the most of him is a) his spammy/hard to read playstyle, b) some posts where he points out scummy behaviour of me. since there was no follow up on this, I think it's a town indication. Also he was continuesly willing to hammer GB.
Followed by my null reads:
- Breshke. Not remembering anything in particular, however he got in a shitflinging discussion with Superbia, derailing shit. Cool - not. - Fidei. Pointed out some scum indicators in his play, he answered genuinely. I think he's not doing enough for town to actually be labeled a townie. Seems more interested in defending/surviving than in actually finding scum. Needs to step up. - CopCake. Don't remember particularly much. Hard to read. Voted with the main wagons. - MoosyDoosy. Need to look into more. I think his flip would give us a lot of information, however it might easily be a mislynch for scum. Good thing would be to stop pressuring him but instead give him some breathing room and let him do town work. Especially his last posts feel a lot like frustrated town. Can't tell. - NocturneMage. Where is this guy?
Yes, I don't have scumreads, yolo. Would lynch between MD/NM since Breshke is at least here.
He forgets why I am town. (ummmm... wow) Reads Superbia town for his huge case - and - Let's go over that. + Show Spoiler [Boxer Case] +On September 11 2015 17:33 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 08:39 Superbia wrote:On September 05 2015 08:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 08:33 Superbia wrote: Think rayn's response to GB's claim is over the top. I don't think there is any need for any blue to out at the moment. Pretty sure we can get productive d1 going without any blue shenanigans. Actually kinda makes me dislike rayn, but I had townie vibes from him early on so whatever. Also he just called me town so I'm fine with him being town for now.
keep it simple. if you can get a 50-50 chance of lynching mafia on D1 by outing one blue role you should ALWAYS take is in any game. I think he might do this as town though. In addition I will say this. Do not believe GB is the vigi today. Evaluate him like any other. Do not give him a pass whatsoever. This is from D1 after GlowingBears claim. This post is an answer to rayn who hit the truth in his "claiming vig D1 is a great thing to call out a town role, get a blue kill in exchange for the goon." (though rayn couldn't know that GB is the goon at that point. This post is strange in many ways. Superbia thinks GB might do a (serious!) vigi claim at the very beginning of D1. To me, claiming blue D1 is like the stupidest thing you can do if you truely are a blue. How does Superbia come to that conclusion? The bolded part contradicts the initial meaning of the post ("nah guys GB is stupid not scum") however. It's 100% wishywashy. Also, the initial post (the quote in the quote) - why is Superbia disliking rayn for his reaction to GB? He should be disliking GB for the initial blue shenanigans. This post really feels like it's coming from someone who has to hide something. Time for the tinfoil hat: What if that was a serious response to a claim that Superbia thought was real? Also, WHY did GB claim Vigi if he DID know about the setup? This makes me feel really (really!) unsure if there is indeed a doctor in. We have two people D1 (GB, Superbia) that are willing to think that there is a Vigi in. However, GB claimed Doctor and Rayn claimed Doctor. There was NO counterclaim up to this point, keep that in mind guys! We have two setup slips from GB (Vigi, Doc) and we do not know which one is true. Out of this, I extract two scenarios. a) Doctor setup. Superbia's CC to GB was pure bullshit, making him look townie. b) Vigi setup. Superbia's CC to GB was the truth, making him, well, look townie. c) Vigi + Doc claim was absolutely bullshit (which is the unlikeliest to me) I'm kinda surprised that I come to this conclusion. I'll continue with the setup before going back to Superbia: Vigi setup feels the most likely to me TBH. 2/3 goons in scum - that means the chance that GB would flip scum as goon is higher than in any other setup. Also, we have no DOCTOR counter claimed except the rayn yolo, which was risky but great however it was not a Doctor. Basically, ANY rule could've counterclaimed the doctor that is Vigi, Veteran or Jailkeeper. So GB's claim EoD1 could have played out awesome for scum, ESPECIALLY in Setup B (1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Veteran, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 2 Mafia Goons). Mafia would've exchanged a simple goon with a strong town blue, potentially Jailkeeper. I think at this point I have a pretty good theory who another blue role is but I won't tell since I don't want the guy to get killed. Okay, back to Superbia. As I said above - the behaviour from this post is conclusively townie. Maybe my logic is flawed somewhere, somehow, so please test the waters. Another point that makes Superbia look townie D1 is that he instantly jumped on GB's claim - why would a fellow scum member do this given that he'd know GB's plan of outing a blue? It doesn't make sense. Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 05:37 Superbia wrote:On September 06 2015 05:32 NocturneMage wrote:On September 06 2015 05:05 Superbia wrote: Also hi replacement. Hey everyone. Just started reading. If there is anything in particular I should pay attention to as I catch up, give me a shout. Also RL related - I work in the ER so if I'm at work overnight and something pops up, I will be forced to suddenly disappear from the game. The coming week should not be too crazy hopefully. 1. Look at opening posts. 2. Look at rayn/yamato interaction. 3. GB (fake) claim. 4. Look at rayn/noobking interaction. Following people: - noobking - copcake - slam Comments on them in near future pls. Although noone brings up the claim after all D1, Superbia does so when NM enters the thread. This could be out of "yo maybe NM replaced a blue and GB's trick might work here" (which I don't think tbh - feels way to unrealistic) or is indeed a "look at this and tell me what you think". Genuine. + Show Spoiler +On September 07 2015 03:35 Superbia wrote: I'm here. Haven't read past few pages. Game kinda feels hard.
rayn/yamato still very town. Stuck on moosy's alignment. Something feels off compared to previous game filters. Not sure what, still reading. His associative read triggered all sorts of re-evaluations. Stuck on noobking's alignment. His post style feels different from his mafia post style. Planning on reading into his meta after moosy. Feels like moosy may have spewn him town if moosy is mafia. IDK copcake tied into this. Also stuck on her alignment. Don't know about slam/gb. Both seem very much on the sidelines. bf superlurk. Last game he did this he was PR and got lynched d1 for it. To be honest, I think I may have the PRs down to a small circle already (of either mafia or PR) and he's not among them. Need to hear from people who have played with him.
So yeah. Still very much in the process of evaluation. Here for questions and talking if people are around. Specifically the 3 above. Very busy tabbing between game filters though. So don't expect a superquick response. First kind of list post from Superbia. While he's not talking about GB in this, he puts a null/scum lean on MoosyDoosy. Which makes me feel like they have different alignments however I'm not too sure if that holds. Putting this in spoilers to not draw attention from the main parts of the post. Here is more interaction from GB which makes Superbia change his read of scott from town. This looks important: Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 03:55 Superbia wrote: Why is scott the lynch for you, GB? Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 04:04 Superbia wrote: I had scott as town early but re-viewing his filter idk why.
GB can you flesh this out? Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 04:04 GlowingBear wrote:On September 07 2015 04:04 Superbia wrote: I had scott as town early but re-viewing his filter idk why.
GB can you flesh this out? Yes I can. I'm going to write a case once I get home. And indeed, Superbia brings up GB's case on Scott: Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 05:50 Superbia wrote:On September 07 2015 05:36 GlowingBear wrote:Superbia, I'm home but I'm not feeling well, so I'm not going to format it well so I can take a quick nap quicker: On September 05 2015 09:15 scott31337 wrote:On September 05 2015 08:29 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 08:20 CopCake wrote: In which page the game started? 9 @rayn. I just think your expectations are too high too early like yes I get you want people to play seriously but that is difficult from the get go especially for some people and i would imagine it would lead to the game kind of fizziling out early because WTF are people going to be talking about. That coupled with the fact that you asked for a blue claim so we could lynch GB IN A NEWBIE GAME is just wrong. I get none of the "newbies" are that new but did you really think the optimal play was for someone to claim a blue role. I can understand that you want people to play seriously but I don't understand asking a blue role to claim The scenarios you suggested after someone claims are jsut as bad because any claim outside of the vigi setup is a doc, cop or JK which will just get RB'd to eternity and poof you've lost your power role on D1. Even if GB flipped scum it would hardly be worth it. On September 05 2015 08:29 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 08:20 CopCake wrote: In which page the game started? 9 @rayn. I just think your expectations are too high too early like yes I get you want people to play seriously but that is difficult from the get go especially for some people and i would imagine it would lead to the game kind of fizziling out early because WTF are people going to be talking about. That coupled with the fact that you asked for a blue claim so we could lynch GB IN A NEWBIE GAME is just wrong. I get none of the "newbies" are that new but did you really think the optimal play was for someone to claim a blue role. I can understand that you want people to play seriously but I don't understand asking a blue role to claim The scenarios you suggested after someone claims are jsut as bad because any claim outside of the vigi setup is a doc, cop or JK which will just get RB'd to eternity and poof you've lost your power role on D1. Even if GB flipped scum it would hardly be worth it. A quote and so much talk from Breshke day 1 makes me wonder if he wants to try to change his ways - which for a D1 - townlean. More Breshke walls of text - GB smoking/drinking again - and follow his opposite On September 05 2015 08:23 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 08:12 Superbia wrote: Do you really think GB is mafia here? I don't care i stopped reading his posts. I hope a vigilante shoots him. Ok, you're mafia ##Vote: Rayn Re-read Supers post here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24820236- + Show Spoiler +On September 05 2015 08:33 Superbia wrote: I'm about to head off. Won't be around tomorrow until around this time. Some incoherent thoughts (pretty tired).
Think rayn's response to GB's claim is over the top. I don't think there is any need for any blue to out at the moment. Pretty sure we can get productive d1 going without any blue shenanigans. Actually kinda makes me dislike rayn, but I had townie vibes from him early on so whatever. Also he just called me town so I'm fine with him being town for now.
Curious to see what comes off rayn/yamato co-op stuff.
Initially disliked yamato's opening. After what rayn just said it's okay for now. Interested in rayn's follow up opinion.
Don't really like moosy I think. Especially the purposely random typing (different from pre-game). Also can't really find a reasoning behind his posts yet (might be bc I'm tired).
Dislike breshke who feels bitter in his latest post (mafia trait imo). Feels weird to see him admit to scummy-esque things. IDK what he's doing as either alignment. Have to see later.
GB is idk. Don't really care about the (fake) claim that much tbh.
Rest also IDK.
So yeah. Follow rayn for now probably. Don't claim blue though. No matter what he says. I'll see where you guys are at tomorrow. Good information but I'm already blitzed. N00bking's posts bad like last game. He's my worst right now. Rayn town Yamato doing shit - town This post may appear contributive at first glance but it's basically a summary of the thread at that point and reads accordingly to thread sentiment, bringing nothing new to the table. Why is Rayn town, why he is so quick to give yamato a townread like that? Why just saying I'm "drinking" again, discrediting me? It's a bunch of rehash with an attempt of looking contributive without actually contributing. He then starts to post reads accordingly to his progression on the pages of thread, cluttering the thread with partial and outdated information he keeps further reevaluating instead of just giving his opinion on one big post. My problem with this is that he is again trying to look contributive while not actually being contributive. Worse. He is cluttering the thread just to show "look, I'm doing stuff!" instead of interacting and actually search for Mafia. He is very bold when he gives reads. Calls Nocturne "town" with no back reqsoning when he was suspicious of mage's slot. He gives 3 names of people he thinks are Mafia and he could lynch (sayinf maybe I'm not Mafia an cake is) but posts this: On September 06 2015 23:48 scott31337 wrote: I could lynch boxer but it feels like policy really. For someone who has 3-4 scumreads, this is extremely scummy. Why is he okay with boxer's lynch if he has THREE better targets and he even ADMITS boxer is only a policy? I see no better lynch. People's opinions on this? At this point of filter diving, I have to say that Superbia's filter is full of oneliners, full of questions that lead to nowhere and don't do a thing. Not liking this at all. Also, he really likes GB's case on scott (this is one of the rare occasions where Superbia actually says his opinion). Here, he says it even multiple times: Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 05:53 Superbia wrote: You guys really think GB's case is terrible? Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 05:58 Superbia wrote: I think GB's view on scott is pretty okay. Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 06:01 Superbia wrote: I'm actually pretty confused this d1. I usually have a direction I want to push the game, but rayn has kind of taken over the role I usually take in a game. Which leaves me stranded. I'm kind of okay with noobking getting lynched at this point and seeing where he flips takes us. Simply because I don't have any strong mafia reads. My gut would say moosy and go from there, but it may very well be wrong. Scum read on Moosy, again (consistent!). However lateron, Slam calls Superbia out on his growing wishy-washyness: Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 06:16 Superbia wrote:On September 07 2015 06:07 Alakaslam wrote:On September 07 2015 06:05 Superbia wrote:On September 07 2015 06:05 Alakaslam wrote:On September 07 2015 06:01 Superbia wrote: I'm actually pretty confused this d1. I usually have a direction I want to push the game, but rayn has kind of taken over the role I usually take in a game. Which leaves me stranded. I'm kind of okay with noobking getting lynched at this point and seeing where he flips takes us. Simply because I don't have any strong mafia reads. My gut would say moosy and go from there, but it may very well be wrong. :/ Please participate. No excuses. How am I not participating? Why did your opinion change? You were fine calling me town a few hours ago. You were making good points, now you are like "meh I am cool with a noobking lynch and see where that takes us" NO! Who do you think is scum? You don't seem to be confident it is noobking. That post was just bad, I would scum read you for it outside your past flow. Weigh in on stuff please I don't fucking know at this point man. Gut says it's one between moosy or copcake. One between scott/GB. And maybe someone like you. But it could also easily be someone like noobking in there. But here's the problem, noobking doesn't look like his mafia meta on this site, but the fact that he has played on other sites (and judging from what he's said, played a lot) makes me believe he can probably play mafia in multiple ways. So I don't know about noobking's alignment. He doesn't really seem to want to contribute at all, which doesn't help me at all. Like the problem is that I'm stucking between worlds right now. And this is mostly caused by the fact that both rayn and yamato believe in a world which I don't really believe in right now. Like they both think copcake is town, and they both think scott is town. I think they're both town and decent/good players. This leaves me confused. This is accurate. How big is the chance the scum!superbia would call out both of his team mates in one post (scott/gb vs. moosy/copcake)? This makes me feel he's town. Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 06:35 Superbia wrote: I don't know about GB to be honest, but it's sort of mafia to go afk instead of participate in EoD discussion. I kind of liked what he had to say about scott in his case thingy. You guys disagree. You guys know more about GB-meta. I think I'm keeping my vote on noobking, but if we have a vigi I wouldn't be heartbroken about a GB shot so we can get that shit out of the way. This is huge. Again that makes me feel Superbia is town. I am now at his huge list post and will refer to this in a different post for the sake of readability. tl;dr - I actually think Superbia is not a good lynch this day. He appears townie to me after I fully evaluated his filter. I think you are reaching hard here, bud. Moosy moves up - He's pulled a lot of energy and caring boxer moves down. I'll give more quotes tomorrow. My thoughts right now - 2/4 in Breshke/Boxerfred/Superbia/MoosyDoosy Town team are CopCake/Slam/Fidei/scott/nm I have a good town plan and don't want to let the mafia get any ideas of my plan - they are flailing once GB got busted - smart town should understand. Unless you have a better case, Superbia needs to get lynched. I'll be up before deadline.
the picture fits though. He is pointing out the scuminess in others too.
thoughts on this? from mafia lens, it's a way of shielding copcake but you can at least see why he did it.
if scott reaches final 3, it's worth revisiting again but honestly the picture fits, if he's mafia it's great mafia play.
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On September 17 2015 02:16 MoosyDoosy wrote: I have a weird twitch. :/ Hopefully it'll resolve itself.
can you ask rsoultin to magically make you a medic so I can try to solve the game for a little longer?
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On September 17 2015 01:11 Fidei86 wrote: @MD sorry I've been quiet, haven't had much time at work. I'm being a bit fatalist, honestly. I was fairly sure it was Superbia, but Slam's leaving us totally threw me. I don't understand how a townie ever does that, especially not when we're so close to the end and he's invested so much time. It is, of course, possible he is telling the truth. But idk, it wasn't even like his focus was on the not having time, it was much more on the "I don't want to help Mafia out". He also got super ragey when I called him out. I don't think he understands that what you post inside the Mafia thread might be a lie, and it's truth can only be known on your flip. Yelling at me just seems weird. But maybe town indicative? I think going too far down this line is WIFOM.
I don't see what advantage Mafia me has in saying we're going to LyLo? I mean, it's not like I'd want to show off that predictive power. I said it because we've had two players basically stop playing at the same time, coinciding with the red check on CC. That's super super super scummy, from both of them. I think it could be either. And Sod's law says that we'll get the wrong one, and ergo we'll go to LyLo.
Anyway, will be home this evening at a sensible time for filters.
scott mentioned - and alakaslam did - post that he was having real life issues and he left the season of the witch 2 game. as for his super rage, don't think that's alignment indicative.
as town having posted 19 pages and having to leave suddenly I can see being upsetting. as mafia it's putting a massive dent in him trying to survive.
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2 more hours to throw around more ideas...
for the copcake association, I'd encourage people to check reactions at key events
(1) around the time of the daypost and the red check start of day 4 - offhand I recall scott/md/superbia being in thread. I know fidei brought up alakaslam but I honestly don't recall him at all.
- md also reacted wildly but it was natural - scott I recall was being extremely cautious but then he thought fidei was the cop and then suggested he could be the other mafia - superbia said great check, but I can't see where else he'd go from his prior slam/copcake suggestion
obviously I got overexcited to the point I forgot to actually claim my role (lol) so that could have contributed to scott being leery. don't know. but look at those reactions and assess if something feels off.
I could envision a mafia having some pause in what they say to dart into scum qt and be like "oh shit you're dead copcake" or debating whether to CC. super wifom, but some feeling of shock might contribute to a delay in reaction. it's a thought.
in this light, look at scott/superbia. I know md reacted instantaneously.
(2) also the same for when GB claimed and then was counterclaimed. that might be another thing to check and re-check through late game.
(3) events through the Breshke push/claim, reactions during the claim.
might not be comprehensive since not everyone was in thread at key moments but it's another piece of information that could be telling for some people.
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alakaslam is saying superbia/scott - of those two which one do you suspect the most? why?
(answer this if you ever have time, yeah I'll be dead obviously but still answer it for everyone else)
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really can't see it being fidei or md at this point. really really can't. I mean especially in the case of md, he's practically playing against win condition or went for a ridiculously risky strategy overall.
still thinking superbia > slam > scott
scott is near tinfoil but not as tinfoil as md
from ockham's razor standpoint if slam is lynched next day I can see a mafia superbia making the nightkill that favours him for final three. given his spurts of activity from time to time, just like he went all out on Breshke, I can see him just pummel his choice target in final 3.
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On September 17 2015 06:04 Fidei86 wrote: @NM Yeah. I remember thinking at the time that Scott's cop read on me made a lot of sense, since I've been playing a bit more cagey this time around. And when you claimed, he instantly revealed and turned on me. Before, he had been town reading me quite lightly, which is pretty consistent with his later explanation.
what if anything do you make of superbia's reaction?
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at this point I'm out of ideas. around until the daypost if anyone wants to chat.
maybe I'll cobble up the materials for a bulletproof vest, should be able to make one in 45 minutes
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On September 17 2015 06:56 MoosyDoosy wrote:Any world Mafia doesn't kill you? I don't want you to die.
doubt it. you're the only other one universally townread and we have similar reads. just that I'm mechanically confirmed and you aren't, that's really the only difference.
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On September 17 2015 06:56 Fidei86 wrote: @NM I've been thinking a bit about the BF cop claim thing from Superbia. What do you think? I initially thought it looked quite towny, but then it was made so late that we didn't really have time to move. And it was made so late, it didn't save him anyway. If Superbia honestly did think BF was the cop, surely he would have said it a bit earlier?
wait, made so late? how late? minutes left? I have to look at that.
also just thinking, it appears boxerfred has played enough games where if he had to afk I think he would have claimed himself prior to leaving.
[S] Newbie Student Mafia X Mafia Goon Endgamed Night 5 [M][N] I Still Cant Believe its not Themed Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 4 [N] Mafia in the Himalayas Town Vanilla Lynched Day 1 [N] TL Mafia LXXI: Gaiden Town Endgamed Day 6 [M][N] Mini Mafia Down Under 3 Town Vanilla Lynched Day 4 [M][N] TL Mafia LXXII: Gaiden 2 Town Vanilla Lynched Day 1
at no point he's been a power role but I'm sure he'd have claimed before leaving. which might make that thought less credible honestly.
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On September 13 2015 07:25 MoosyDoosy wrote:???
On September 13 2015 07:27 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2015 07:26 Superbia wrote: He fucking entered the day completely turning on me even though I did not do anything. I think he's the cop with a green on me z_z that is NAI. could be mafia slip.
5 minutes prior to deadline.
that's entirely too close.
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agreed that's too close, 3 or 5 minutes, it's trivial. it's too close to deadline.
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On September 17 2015 07:02 scott31337 wrote: You'll bemissed bud, I'll do some catching up later, busy day at work today and phone posting.
cheers. glad I got to replace in. hope town can finish the job though.
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On September 17 2015 07:24 Fidei86 wrote: Pleasure playing with you NM :-( Hopefully we can be town together again some time.
you too. also don't mind the anti Dota posts. Was just trolling.
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welp
good night and good luck
moderators deemed my vest unsuitable for duty. FML
and mafia godfather if you are reading this, sleep with one eye open onwards.
they will find you and they will finish you
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I could criticise Fidei but I have shit for experience.
Double bussing is improbable but MDs read progressions on some of his targets were poor.
ggs.
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I do agree though. Last night kill was terrible.
Most townread person alive was alive over an afk Alakaslam.
MD should have been dead in the water.
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To be fair at least a 50% chance of me making that mistake.
Not sure how my coach would have worked with me on that one.
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On September 22 2015 07:38 Fidei86 wrote: This honestly wasn't fun for me at all. I think this is the end of my Mafia career boys. I don't want to do that again.
Shit happens. People make bad decisions as both alignments.
And sometimes you are just outplayed.
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If anyone has any thought or advice on improvement on my end I'd appreciate it.
I cannot see the double bussing or rather I did not. I would not have had that.
But Fidei and ironically MD were the main reasons I checked Copcake.
She also posted something that I felt was supreme blue role baiting and she sealed her fate.
Also she is so well aware I am grateful to have gotten lucky into replacing into a slot that was coached by HTS.
She was a great coach. <3 her.
Again boxerfred, my bad for getting you mislynched. :/
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On September 22 2015 08:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2015 08:21 Half the Sky wrote: I don't really understand why people were reading Copcake town early onwards. I might be biased but Mage's push early game was spot on. It was logical from his perspective, a player in his second forum game of mafia who doesn't know Copcake, who has never played voice mafia (at least with TLers, and RL mafia is slightly different), him highlighting the things that didn't make sense in her posts.
And her lack of response to him should NEVER cause him to EVER townread her. So that was realllyyyyyy odd.
It's because she showed some of her town traits. Iagree with the second part but noobking, MD and GB were just too much scummier. Noobking was the worst in this game, contradicting himself in everything. Otherwise i would not even bring this up but when he goes on to trash on TLMafia fuck you dude, go away plz. Also 60% why i read MD mafia, his read on NK was so retarded.
I just don't understand then why I was scumread for it then. Unless I was getting scumread related to MD/GB.
I'm not trying to be a dick here but I honestly do want to improve upon my play but there's no way I could have seen those traits without experiencing voice mafia.
Anyhow...
Cheers to the hosts and allowing me to replace in.
GGs everyone. I hope work will allow me to play another one.
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read the mafia qt.
damn I feel betrayed. I asked Moosy to protect me lol...instead he killed me.
damn you. feel betrayed now.
nah seriously wp...
sorry this place didn't work out for you n00b though.
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and cheers for the words of encouragement rsoultin, will try and remember that next time. I think it might have been because I was new, vets didn't trust me, especially replacing into for someone that looked scummy.
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