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Newbie Student Mafia XIV: Firefly

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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-26 17:36:15
August 26 2015 17:35 GMT
#24
On holiday next week, waiting on work schedule for the following week.

10/10 on the Firefly roles btw.

/replace for now

Glossing the rules. I assume kp is deliverable since there is (could be) a town roleblocker.

I wonder what happens if the town and scum roleblockers roleblock each other in that one setup because I hear depending on the moderator different things could happen.

Hopefully deadline isn't too late if I do play. Past 1am would suck, trying to go to bed earlier these days unless I work overnights.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
August 30 2015 08:52 GMT
#68
On August 30 2015 05:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I think there are two conclusions that I would like to extrapolate from the beginning of this Mafia game.

The first is that you guys drink way too much alcohol. Like way too much.

The second is that there are zero newbies interested in TL Mafia. which is sad


I'd play if I wasn't on holiday this week. Next week, schedule up in the air.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
September 05 2015 20:32 GMT
#678
On September 06 2015 05:05 Superbia wrote:
Also hi replacement.


Hey everyone. Just started reading. If there is anything in particular I should pay attention to as I catch up, give me a shout.

Also RL related - I work in the ER so if I'm at work overnight and something pops up, I will be forced to suddenly disappear from the game. The coming week should not be too crazy hopefully.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
September 05 2015 21:06 GMT
#694
Reading the opening pages -

First page with all the claims - I'm just ignoring that, assuming everyone is just joking there and messing around.

Rayn and Superbia are likely town. I read the first few pages of the game, and both of their thoughts are easily fleshed out and transparent.

From my last newbie, people dicked around for several pages, so my only initial reservation with rayn is that he's taking Breshke too seriously but he explains his serious tone. If he's mafia he probably wouldn't draw attention to himself that way. I think Breshke is dicking around after his first post, given his later responses and I think if he were mafia, he would probably be more careful with what he is saying.

Scott, Fidei are nulls from their entrances so far.
Slam's posting going through his filter largely makes no sense but I sense some town tell from where he cautioned n00bking about rayn talking past him.

Still page 17. Bear with me.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
September 05 2015 21:06 GMT
#695
On September 06 2015 05:37 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2015 05:32 NocturneMage wrote:
On September 06 2015 05:05 Superbia wrote:
Also hi replacement.


Hey everyone. Just started reading. If there is anything in particular I should pay attention to as I catch up, give me a shout.

Also RL related - I work in the ER so if I'm at work overnight and something pops up, I will be forced to suddenly disappear from the game. The coming week should not be too crazy hopefully.


1. Look at opening posts.
2. Look at rayn/yamato interaction.
3. GB (fake) claim.
4. Look at rayn/noobking interaction.
Following people:
- noobking
- copcake
- slam

Comments on them in near future pls.


Just saw this. Got it.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
September 05 2015 21:24 GMT
#717
[QUOTE]On September 06 2015 06:06 NocturneMage wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 06 2015 05:37 Superbia wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 06 2015 05:32 NocturneMage wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 06 2015 05:05 Superbia wrote:
Also hi replacement.[/QUOTE]

Hey everyone. Just started reading. If there is anything in particular I should pay attention to as I catch up, give me a shout.

Also RL related - I work in the ER so if I'm at work overnight and something pops up, I will be forced to suddenly disappear from the game. The coming week should not be too crazy hopefully. [/QUOTE]

1. Look at opening posts.
2. Look at rayn/yamato interaction.
3. GB (fake) claim.
4. Look at rayn/noobking interaction.
Following people:
- noobking
- copcake
- slam

Comments on them in near future pls.[/QUOTE]

Said before, not really serious on his opening. I saw his last post in that interaction

If gb should happen to be mafia it is probably not for his opening/claim posts. I know he was scumreading rayn later on for his tone, and his followup here

[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/493411-newbie-student-mafia-xiv-firefly?page=15#285]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/493411-newbie-student-mafia-xiv-firefly?page=15#285[/url]

makes sense as to why he's scumreading rayn.

rayn's tone is similar from my last newbie but again, I don't remember him getting overly serious this early in the game.

Read yam's first two posts on rayn - it might be null only because someone with that much experience (cited 2 years) will also know him well enough that if he's mafia, to post carefully and not draw attention or tread lightly. I get that impression somewhat from posts 260 and 261. His respse to n00bking's vote on him is perfectly reasonable though and makes sense from a town perspective.

So null on yam for his early interaction. Will read and see if anything further jumps at me.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
September 05 2015 21:26 GMT
#720
On September 06 2015 05:37 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2015 05:32 NocturneMage wrote:
On September 06 2015 05:05 Superbia wrote:
Also hi replacement.


Hey everyone. Just started reading. If there is anything in particular I should pay attention to as I catch up, give me a shout.

Also RL related - I work in the ER so if I'm at work overnight and something pops up, I will be forced to suddenly disappear from the game. The coming week should not be too crazy hopefully.


1. Look at opening posts.
2. Look at rayn/yamato interaction.
3. GB (fake) claim.
4. Look at rayn/noobking interaction.
Following people:
- noobking
- copcake
- slam

Comments on them in near future pls.


Said before, not really serious on his opening. I saw his last post in that interaction

If gb should happen to be mafia it is probably not for his opening/claim posts. I know he was scumreading rayn later on for his tone, and his followup here

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/493411-newbie-student-mafia-xiv-firefly?page=15#285

makes sense as to why he's scumreading rayn.

rayn's tone is similar from my last newbie but again, I don't remember him getting overly serious this early in the game.

Read yam's first two posts on rayn - it might be null only because someone with that much experience (cited 2 years) will also know him well enough that if he's mafia, to post carefully and not draw attention or tread lightly. I get that impression somewhat from posts 260 and 261. His respse to n00bking's vote on him is perfectly reasonable though and makes sense from a town perspective.

So null on yam for his early interaction. Will read and see if anything further jumps at me.

edited quote format.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
September 05 2015 21:59 GMT
#764
Going through Copcake's filter as one of the issues requested - some leans I see from both alignments.

mafia - the reads on glowingbear make zero sense. First she asks him how is rayn mafia then there's zero to little follow up on gb until her list post. But there her read still doesn't make sense - if gb doesn't care whether he dies or not shouldn't that make him town? the mafia need to try and survive, at least that's what gb (lol) told me in the mafia qt from my last newbie game. Anyways, also expanding on the useless details might help here - because I saw where he returned a rebuttal on rayn's read on breshke - didn't think that was useless for example.

- also post 611 on moosydoosy - if moosydoosy is paying too much attention to her isn't that a towntell if he's pushing her? Or at least not alignment if he has to defend himself? I read around that post and I don't see how moosy is being "antagonistic".

- read on slam - alright I don't know either of her or slam so I will ignore meta. But to say that slam is town for not being antagonistic like moosy or n00bking - this is not exclusive to mafia, I just got done finishing observing the personality game and Mr. Nice Guy in Judge Judy carried mafia.

Basically this read is a bad reason to read Slam town, I am finding most of his posting nonsensical at best but for the reasons you specified it's a poor reason

Those are scumtells, admittedly your read on moosy and you pushing him is a town action, so I'm going to say a null to scum lean on you for now.

Also since you mentioned it what do you mean by pocketing? I'm sure I've heard it in my only other game but I forget the meanting now.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
September 05 2015 22:24 GMT
#779
Reading n00bking right now. Not liking what I see so far. I know he ranted about skill level of the site in the newbie I played and the one before that so I am ignoring that. But 278, 311 and 329, those posts I really don't like. 329, he's pushing rayn on semantics, doesn't have to be a case, all that matters is that he's calling rayn's points bullshit.

278 talking about rayn's illogical conclusions - again like I said about rayn earlier, I thought rayn's thought processes was pretty clear and straightforward from the beginning, I think his stumbling around with his words might appear to be the result of him being a non-native speaker. 311 lacks a read on moosy who is making the quoted comment himself on copcake. I would have expected him to push moosy for the read there.

I remember reading n00bking from newbie 12 (not the one I was in, since we were mafia together that game) and his detail on some of his scum reads was way more detailed in that game than this. This game feels closer to what he was when he was my scummate.

I continue...
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
September 05 2015 22:29 GMT
#783
Sorry folks, another newbie question as I read through -

DMA/dick move analysis is?
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
September 05 2015 22:36 GMT
#791
So far my scumreads are copcake and n00bking. So far. I have to bail in less than an hour but will get out what I can.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
September 05 2015 22:37 GMT
#792
On September 06 2015 05:55 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2015 01:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:
n00bKing. For one moment, say that you believe that rayn is town. Who would you look at next if that was the case?

I would have a difficult time crafting a defense for any of: CopCake, boxerfred, Hydra/Mage. I'm still waiting to see a post from yamato that looks useful, but I can keep waiting, unless that's a notorious lurker or something.


boxerfred and Fidei both had pop-in and pop-out posts citing they were busy or RL or whatever, so what's your defence for Fidei?
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
September 05 2015 23:11 GMT
#810
Post 769 makes n00bking (and there's another one that I can't seem to find at the moment) look a bit better. Actually furthermore adding to that on the read with copcake, you have to also wonder why she threw Fidei at the time she did in the left and not boxerfred as both were in the same boat.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
September 05 2015 23:23 GMT
#813
Threw my vote on copcake for now.

Cake, can you explain how any of the reads I outlined make those people you described exclusively mafia?

Also will ask you the same question I asked n00b.

Why is fidei on your lynch list (or was) and not boxerfred at the time you made your "watch out for X" post?
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
September 05 2015 23:36 GMT
#819
On September 06 2015 08:27 CopCake wrote:
which list do you mean or do you mean mine?


Post 698 and 705.

On September 06 2015 06:10 CopCake wrote:
For the list so far that has been participating:

MoosyDoosy: He has an obsessions with my posts and i don't know why. When I arrived he said "rayn calmed down when cake arrived" which is like ???? he claims it is because rayn got happy in the sign up thread but it kinda looked like he was waiting for me. Since then he hasn't fucked stopped. He claims that my posts are "useless" and I beg to differ. He also says that I have been pocketing people (lol the workd pocketing) which is NOT TRUE because I am like, getting my own info on my own way, if I was POCKETING people I have my own ways and I have been doing a bad job pocketing if people have eyes on me, no? Oh the irony, so yeah you also fucking need to stop people to ASK WHAT DO YOU THINK? AND SHARE WHAT THE FUCK YOU THING BESIDES ME if you are fucking town, i don't know why rayn thinks you are town, effort? that's what people is saying so far but you just checking every step i do with a giant glass is what i don't call effort. When you asked glowing bear about what he thinks your answer was just "mmm" I mean it looks like you REALLY TRIED and CARED for his opinnion, I think you are pretending to put effort but you are actually doing nothing, you are just doing a mimic of what a town looks like. "HEY LOOK AT ME I AM ASKING QUESTIONS HEY EMINEM SONG" and guess what? you stopped to share eminem songs or whatever when i called out your bullshit.


n00bKing: I didn't like his entrance nor I liked how he is interacting with rayn. Rayn is pretty town in my opinion and i think it's fucking obvious, he is also closed minded with his "oh but a town shouldn't react the way rayn is doing so" Dude if you are town, you should know rayn is town, i have shared the meta when he is mafia and i guess someone else has done it too, you might have your opinion but the fact rayn is attacking you or someone else doesn't make him mafia, why don't you sit, drink some tea and think in a word in which rayn is town, if he is mistaken prove to ALL OF US why you are TOWN but.... but BUT you have been trying to frame rayn all the fucking way, omg that is absolutely a very townie thing to do. Prove yourself and don't blame anyone of your mistakes. You might say "oh but it is exactly what moose is doing with you", it's different, rayn is looking at other places, moose isn't.

CoughingHydra replaced by NocturneMage Day 1: I didn't like him, felt odd and now is replacing, will say neutral but i want to see his replacement.

CopCake: Town forever

Alakaslam: I know some of you have him as a little scum lean earlier but I think he is town. You might say "oh he is faking his meta" or "he sucks at faking" but from my point of view he would try to blend in and pretend to be town if he was mafia. Like if a strong player has a meta on him, wouldn't he try to be the most possible to look as his town meta? He also doesn't feel agressive or like trying to throw dirt unlike noobking and moose.

Fidei86: Uh he is like, he exists but at the same time he doesnt. Little scum lean since i doubt the three mafia are active.

scott31337: Town so far.

Superbia: The few she has made look pretty town so far, she is trying to solve the game and give her perspective.

GlowingBear: I don't like how fucking wishy washy he is with his reads and votes, he is also focusing on useless details. It's like he doesn't care who he is voting for. His also "omg i am town vigilante" looks like yeah dude, doesnt care if he dies because if he aint the vig the vig will vig him and if you were the vig you would shut up so mafia wouldn't attack you, you are pretty much an "i dont care lol" this whole game. But with everything you have caused with your claim you should have at least for now try to be serious but you haven't changed, mafia lean.

boxerfred: Don't remember him.

yamato77: Domo arigato mr yamato is town, I was mafia with him last game, he sucks as mafia. He would also be epic mia.

Breshke: Uhhhh nothing has stood up a lot with me with this person.

raynpelikoneet: Town.


On September 06 2015 06:16 CopCake wrote:
So yeah

moose, noobking, glowing bear, fidel are the ones to watch out.

The replacement too.


How are you saying these people to watch out for? You don't remember boxerfred, not being memorable is a scum tell. And you posted fidei who at that point had one post in the SAME VEIN AS FIDEI.

By your list Breshke is also not on this list, also under the nonmemorable category.

And previously stated that what you describe with MD and GB do not exclusively make them mafia.

So I need you to clear your reads AND the double standard. This is what I mean.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
September 05 2015 23:40 GMT
#823
alright you ninjaed me lol....

Wait Fidei pinged you as mafia?

Post 269/807 are the only posts he's had in the game. No pinging you as mafia.

?????????
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
September 06 2015 00:01 GMT
#838
On September 06 2015 08:43 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2015 08:40 NocturneMage wrote:
alright you ninjaed me lol....

Wait Fidei pinged you as mafia?

Post 269/807 are the only posts he's had in the game. No pinging you as mafia.

?????????

No, I don't think she means that Fidei pinged her as Mafia (as in, identified her as Mafia). She's saying he pinged her as Mafia more than boxerfred (as in, felt scummier to her).

But that requires that she found this post from Fidei scummy, which seems absurd:
Show nested quote +
Guys I am about, but it's Friday and I went out drinking with buddies. Last time I entered a thread drunk, I nearly got lynched. So I will read and post reactions tomorrow I promise.


Yeah that's why I mentioned the double standard and the Breshke/BF, etc reads.

And Rayn, to answer your question regardless of my read on you, I'm still pretty early on here on TL, only my second forum mafia game ever, first ever as town. Maybe you know her extremely well but in a tinfoil world where you're outsmarting my newbie self and if you're both mafia, my trusting your reads is suicide. I'm probably going to be just wary of anyone's meta reads on anyone else (not just you but anyone, I am trying to ignore that in general) until I get a few more games here on this forum and I get a better grasp on this community (aside from observing games).

I mean I'm just holding Copcake to HER OWN standards and her own reads and there's a bunch of things that just don't add up. It would appear she's not new to mafia in general, she's citing voice experience but on forum experience if she's new, how do I know she's not tripping over herself? (if she's not new to forum mafia then I'll rescind and stand corrected but my prior questions still stand, there's enough things that don't add up)

And even as she says she has her own criteria, town's failure to understand that criteria isn't going to help. So if I am wrong, I want her to iron out for herself where, and I know I'm not the only one voting her down here so maybe that will help others.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
September 06 2015 00:03 GMT
#840
I'm out for the night. I will carry on tomorrow. Good night.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
September 06 2015 14:35 GMT
#900
Yamato definitely came off as playing cautious early game. I know I cited the post numbers somewhere, there were 1-2 posts that jumped out at me. If I recall correctly I think he bailed as if he felt the n00bking lynch was settled. What does he think about n00bking now?

He's been afk looks like 16h so I'd like to know who he'd lynch if hypothetically n00bking were to lose his head and get modkilled. Let's say hypothetically n00b flips town. Then who would he lynch?

End of day is 2330, right?
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
September 06 2015 14:48 GMT
#903
Yeah alright, 2330. Anyways...

On Slam, I'm collecting his reads. But it appears if you look him up on the database, he always plays with a lot of filler.

Anyway, disregard the filler. Post 444 could be him just trying to be helpful "the talking past line" but then later in that post, he townreads yamato. It is not clear why.

rayn read is a meta read, so I'm ignoring it for now.

It would appear that his two top scumreads are Breshke and GB. He drops the Breshke scumread (653) based on tinfoil but that really doesn't make any sense, he was pushing Breshke for the better part of two pages of his filter. That part stands out as poor to me because that drop really came out of nowhere and I'm not sure what Breshke did to make him change that read. The GB vote is at least consistent with his read development.

So Slam is a null for that.
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