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On August 20 2015 17:48 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 17:43 Fidei86 wrote:
(1) has totally unguarded, and in hindsight, pretty dumb thread entry Yes new (stupid) scum does just that. Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 17:43 Fidei86 wrote:
(2) doesn't scum read Rux immediately, who is the clear alternative wagon here and is being pushed by at least some of my town reads Yes new (stupid) scum does just that. Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 17:43 Fidei86 wrote:
3) doesn't try to jump enthusiastically onto the Tube wagon, which, as you said yourself literally a couple of minutes ago, would serve to pretty much exonerate me No. Doing that if you're mafia and tubesock is town is super stupid. Hence why I think you're a team. Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 17:43 Fidei86 wrote:
All that in a meta where lurkers do not get punished and indeed get a free pass (not just in this game, it happens in pretty much all my games here). But contrary to all those lurkers, you are a lynch candidate today. It's garanteed that if you didn't post for 24 hours you would be the lynch.
The "push" on me started with ritoky's stupid RNG thing. If I'd just posted questions, a couple of town reads and generally not done anything, it would have fizzled out.
And none of your reasoning above excludes stupid town, except the bit where you say I have to be town if Tube is scum, which you think he is, but then you think we're on a team? Tube was on me from the start, and has only been pushing me basically - he has no other scum reads. If this is a bus strategy then it has started super early. I've never rolled mafia or seen a super early bus strat, but it doesn't seem smart to me. Why give up a teammate this early for 'cred' in a big game where it will all be forgotten immediately anyway?
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'cause I think tubesock is mafia
more than I think you are mafia
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On August 20 2015 17:51 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 17:48 Rels wrote:On August 20 2015 17:43 Fidei86 wrote:
(1) has totally unguarded, and in hindsight, pretty dumb thread entry Yes new (stupid) scum does just that. On August 20 2015 17:43 Fidei86 wrote:
(2) doesn't scum read Rux immediately, who is the clear alternative wagon here and is being pushed by at least some of my town reads Yes new (stupid) scum does just that. On August 20 2015 17:43 Fidei86 wrote:
3) doesn't try to jump enthusiastically onto the Tube wagon, which, as you said yourself literally a couple of minutes ago, would serve to pretty much exonerate me No. Doing that if you're mafia and tubesock is town is super stupid. Hence why I think you're a team. On August 20 2015 17:43 Fidei86 wrote:
All that in a meta where lurkers do not get punished and indeed get a free pass (not just in this game, it happens in pretty much all my games here). But contrary to all those lurkers, you are a lynch candidate today. It's garanteed that if you didn't post for 24 hours you would be the lynch. The "push" on me started with ritoky's stupid RNG thing. If I'd just posted questions, a couple of town reads and generally not done anything, it would have fizzled out. And none of your reasoning above excludes stupid town, except the bit where you say I have to be town if Tube is scum, which you think he is, but then you think we're on a team? Tube was on me from the start, and has only been pushing me basically - he has no other scum reads. If this is a bus strategy then it has started super early. I've never rolled mafia or seen a super early bus strat, but it doesn't seem smart to me. Why give up a teammate this early for 'cred' in a big game where it will all be forgotten immediately anyway?
this is a stupid question, are you shitting the thread intentionally ?
there are lots of avantages to mafias attacking each other: they have something to talk about (only real discussion tubesock had was with you), if one flips the other gains towncred, and both tube and you do not really have the power to get the other killed, so it could be all fake activity
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On August 20 2015 17:50 Rels wrote:
now that I explained why your tubesock's townread is stupid, do you reconsider ?
I hadn't thought about things like that before. You're right that town reads are easy to give out as mafia. In a way, it would make sense that nervous mafia would town read people who seem to be posting in a town manner (which would explain why our reads align), and his push on me without scum reading anyone else (or really even considering anyone else, for that matter) isn't exactly massively towny. So yeah, I guess.
Since you're online, I might as well ask - you've been pretty quiet up until now. What do you think about the push on me more generally (that you now seem to have joined)?
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On August 20 2015 17:55 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 17:51 Fidei86 wrote:On August 20 2015 17:48 Rels wrote:On August 20 2015 17:43 Fidei86 wrote:
(1) has totally unguarded, and in hindsight, pretty dumb thread entry Yes new (stupid) scum does just that. On August 20 2015 17:43 Fidei86 wrote:
(2) doesn't scum read Rux immediately, who is the clear alternative wagon here and is being pushed by at least some of my town reads Yes new (stupid) scum does just that. On August 20 2015 17:43 Fidei86 wrote:
3) doesn't try to jump enthusiastically onto the Tube wagon, which, as you said yourself literally a couple of minutes ago, would serve to pretty much exonerate me No. Doing that if you're mafia and tubesock is town is super stupid. Hence why I think you're a team. On August 20 2015 17:43 Fidei86 wrote:
All that in a meta where lurkers do not get punished and indeed get a free pass (not just in this game, it happens in pretty much all my games here). But contrary to all those lurkers, you are a lynch candidate today. It's garanteed that if you didn't post for 24 hours you would be the lynch. The "push" on me started with ritoky's stupid RNG thing. If I'd just posted questions, a couple of town reads and generally not done anything, it would have fizzled out. And none of your reasoning above excludes stupid town, except the bit where you say I have to be town if Tube is scum, which you think he is, but then you think we're on a team? Tube was on me from the start, and has only been pushing me basically - he has no other scum reads. If this is a bus strategy then it has started super early. I've never rolled mafia or seen a super early bus strat, but it doesn't seem smart to me. Why give up a teammate this early for 'cred' in a big game where it will all be forgotten immediately anyway? this is a stupid question, are you shitting the thread intentionally ? there are lots of avantages to mafias attacking each other: they have something to talk about (only real discussion tubesock had was with you), if one flips the other gains towncred, and both tube and you do not really have the power to get the other killed, so it could be all fake activity
Yeah I agree that bussing is a thing that can work or be helpful in certain situations, but bussing before anything else has really happened? I've never seen that before. And I'm sorry if you thought it was a stupid question. I'm obviously biased as to whether or not it is stupid, but it was genuine.
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I think you're scummy. Didn't like the fact that you attacked ritoky when drunk (so you read the thread) but didn't know Damdred was Chezinu (so you didn't read the thread).
read the thread + didn't read the thread = someone told you you were attacked = guy with a QT = probably mafia
I think tubesock is mafia though
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plus I feel like you're pocketing me with niceness
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On August 20 2015 17:48 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 17:32 KelsierSC wrote:On August 20 2015 17:31 Fidei86 wrote:
I may also be subconsciously giving Tube a pass because he appears to be actually playing the game how I think it should be played, rather than lurking, shitposting or being useless (see Kelsier). You're such a fun sponge The fact that people who play like you get free passes consistently drives me nuts. Give some opinions. Try and freaking help out. Ask some questions or prod someone or at least do something other than recycling the same smarmy passive-aggressive stuff that you can't seem to get away from.
Hmm questions
Why are you such a bore?
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I dunno, what's the difference between that and just being nice / trying to work with you to find scum? I guess pocketing would be an agenda, whereas being nice is just spontaneous. I'll leave it to you to think about which it is.
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On August 20 2015 00:34 JudgeJudy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 00:24 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 19 2015 14:41 Tubesock wrote:
I like that Judge is trying to start a conversation. But then dropped off after Breshke responded to her.
I disagree with her on Breshke. I think what he saw makes him town not scummy. And I don't get half her townreads. What is this? How is she trying to start a conversation by posting asinine walls of text that have nothing to do with the game? you are bad. ![[image loading]](https://thevastnothing.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/funny-gifs-infinite-drink.gif?w=1000) lol walls of text? There was one flavor intro post longer than a couple lines and that is literally it. At least I've given a few opinions, unlike someone....
this is good
VA post was very wrong. Again in response to tubesock though
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On August 20 2015 18:06 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 17:48 Fidei86 wrote:On August 20 2015 17:32 KelsierSC wrote:On August 20 2015 17:31 Fidei86 wrote:
I may also be subconsciously giving Tube a pass because he appears to be actually playing the game how I think it should be played, rather than lurking, shitposting or being useless (see Kelsier). You're such a fun sponge The fact that people who play like you get free passes consistently drives me nuts. Give some opinions. Try and freaking help out. Ask some questions or prod someone or at least do something other than recycling the same smarmy passive-aggressive stuff that you can't seem to get away from. Hmm questions Why are you such a bore?
I dunno. I've hardly covered myself in glory so far, apparently. But I do want to know whether you just play this way to preserve your 'meta' for when you roll scum, or if you just genuinely cba with the game? Or maybe you just prefer to lurk because you think you can avoid being lynched and solved the game later? I dunno. But until you start actually helping, as I define it, I'm going to keep calling you out, because that's how I think town win. If you don't agree, then say!
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On August 20 2015 17:59 Rels wrote:
I think you're scummy. Didn't like the fact that you attacked ritoky when drunk (so you read the thread) but didn't know Damdred was Chezinu (so you didn't read the thread).
read the thread + didn't read the thread = someone told you you were attacked = guy with a QT = probably mafia
I think tubesock is mafia though
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##Vote Tubesock
I'm either lazy or not reading properly, possibly both
Can you recap why you think Tube is mafia for me?
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On August 20 2015 18:07 Fidei86 wrote:
I dunno, what's the difference between that and just being nice / trying to work with you to find scum? I guess pocketing would be an agenda, whereas being nice is just spontaneous. I'll leave it to you to think about which it is.
true that you were nice to everybody
except to KSC
not that he doesn't deserve all of your hate
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On August 20 2015 18:10 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 17:59 Rels wrote:
I think you're scummy. Didn't like the fact that you attacked ritoky when drunk (so you read the thread) but didn't know Damdred was Chezinu (so you didn't read the thread).
read the thread + didn't read the thread = someone told you you were attacked = guy with a QT = probably mafia
I think tubesock is mafia though
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##Vote Tubesock I'm either lazy or not reading properly, possibly both Can you recap why you think Tube is mafia for me?
second time you're asking me that
tubesock is mafia because:
- voted easy target at the beginning of the game
- asks questions and does nothing afterwards
- only has townreads
- has no content
- came back, attacked fidei / defended himself, then left
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On August 20 2015 18:10 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 18:06 KelsierSC wrote:On August 20 2015 17:48 Fidei86 wrote:On August 20 2015 17:32 KelsierSC wrote:On August 20 2015 17:31 Fidei86 wrote:
I may also be subconsciously giving Tube a pass because he appears to be actually playing the game how I think it should be played, rather than lurking, shitposting or being useless (see Kelsier). You're such a fun sponge The fact that people who play like you get free passes consistently drives me nuts. Give some opinions. Try and freaking help out. Ask some questions or prod someone or at least do something other than recycling the same smarmy passive-aggressive stuff that you can't seem to get away from. Hmm questions Why are you such a bore? I dunno. I've hardly covered myself in glory so far, apparently. But I do want to know whether you just play this way to preserve your 'meta' for when you roll scum, or if you just genuinely cba with the game? Or maybe you just prefer to lurk because you think you can avoid being lynched and solved the game later? I dunno. But until you start actually helping, as I define it, I'm going to keep calling you out, because that's how I think town win. If you don't agree, then say!
Good luck with that
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Day 1 Votecount
Fidei86 (3): ritoky, Tubesock, The Shining, Tictock, Rels
ritoky (0): geript, Chezinu
Damdred (1): Fecalfeast, Fecalfeast, ruXxar, Chezinu
Fecalfeast (1): Damdred
JudgeJudy (0):
ruXxar (5): Breshke, Half the Sky, Rels, ObiWanShinobi, WaveofShadow, Lord Tolkien
geript (0):
vayne authority (0): Lord Tolkien
yamato77 (1): Fecalfeast
ObiWanShinobi (0):
Tubesock (2): The Shining, Rels
WaveofShadow (0):
Chezinu (1): geript
Not Voting (7): Fidei86, yamato77, ruXxar, JudgeJudy, VayneAuthority, Beneather, KelsierSC
Day 1 ends in
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@The Shining I just read your filter. It looks like your only real substantive action is to push Tube. Your two reasons are (1) his "on again, off again" Chezinu read on Geript, and (2) his jumping on my wagon. What do you think of Rels' case on Tube? Do you have any other scum reads?
I do like that TS read Geript's complaints about the general play of lots of players in this game as towny. I had the same reaction, although I don't think it's because scum wouldn't care that they wouldn't post like geript, I think it's because the behaviour that geript is lamenting (town inactivity / mehness) is hurting town. Then again, it sort of contradicts with TS's overall play, which I think has been lacklustre.
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On August 20 2015 16:12 Tictock wrote:So when I was looking at Fidei earlier I couldn't help but notice one of his pregame posts and something he said in his defense. Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 07:21 Fidei86 wrote:
(8) I want to briefly address whether or not Ritoky would pretend to RNG me. I've played with Ritoky twice, but the second (himalayas) doesn't count because I was terrible town in that game until way after he got NKed. But in the first game, which was my first game too, basically I made all sorts of stupid newbie posts and mistakes and ritoky was scum softing me until he got NKed n1. I also said after himalayas that I really struggled because the game was big (although there was much much much more spam in tha game). This game is also big. So I think it's reasonable that he might have tagged me early as easy mis-lynch bait. The fact that I played into his hands with a pretty misguided thread entry only goes to show that he might have been onto something. But ... meh. It's hard for me to judge because he's going after me, so it's difficult to be totally objective. Anyone who was in Holy Guardians (VE, Damdred, TickTock) are better judges of this than me.
From Pregame: Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 17:41 Fidei86 wrote:
I'm going to stay in this game, even though it's bigger than I'd like, and will rely upon rolling masons with HTS or some shit to keep me sane through D3. So yea, this is very possible. Obviously this lead me to reading ritoky's filter from the perspective of him being scum pushing the RNG thing as a cover to push someone he thinks will be an easy mislynch. At first it looks promising as it was all rit wanted to talk about in the first half of D1 and even now that I see rit talking about more than his RNG push he isn't really sharing any reads. However I did feel that this defense of the RNG push was pretty decent. Show nested quote +On August 19 2015 13:41 ritoky wrote:On August 19 2015 13:20 Breshke wrote:On August 19 2015 13:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 19 2015 12:41 Breshke wrote:On August 19 2015 12:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 19 2015 12:12 Breshke wrote:
I don't think ritoky actually RNG'd fidel He probably did. On August 19 2015 07:08 ritoky wrote:
Clearly what needs to happen this game is that we need to follow the most surefire way to lynch mafia and win games, and that is to follow the RNG lynch.
Here's how it works:
1) you will all follow me because i am better than you.
2) i will choose who we lynch every phase via RNG, then we will lynch him without question. the RNG will be determined by this post (the one you're reading right now). each post is assigned a unique id on team liquid which cannot be manipulated because of the rate of posts on TL; this makes it the perfect candidate for determining people via RNG. then from that post id i will use the following formula to determine whom is the candidate for lynch:
(sum of each individual digit in the post id [ex: 1111 = 4]) / 21 [number of players alive in game] * coefficient of the thread's stupidity
this formula will provide a number from 1 to 21, we will lynch the player it determines without hesitation or questioning. no possible explanation or reasoning could convince me that RNG lynching is in any way sub-optimal play. please bow before the RNG and watch it carry us to victory. I don't think so given this explanation I at first thought this was really scummy because if he was town why the fuck does he make this bullshit crap reason up to explain his "RNG" and not just be like yeah i used random.org But it makes sense in a world where he is trying to be BH and trying to be idk the word long winded? and he couldn't remember the way/couldnt be bothered doing it the way BH does it. So he is either a fucking shitter or scum Not to say his following read on fidel is bad but I don't wanna talk about that until fidel has been around some more Bh makes longish arguments backing his rng lynches all the time. Totally normal. That's why i was saying it makes sense if that is in fact what he was doing On August 19 2015 13:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 19 2015 12:50 Breshke wrote:On August 19 2015 12:46 JudgeJudy wrote:On August 19 2015 12:41 Breshke wrote:On August 19 2015 12:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 19 2015 12:12 Breshke wrote:
I don't think ritoky actually RNG'd fidel He probably did. On August 19 2015 07:08 ritoky wrote:
Clearly what needs to happen this game is that we need to follow the most surefire way to lynch mafia and win games, and that is to follow the RNG lynch.
Here's how it works:
1) you will all follow me because i am better than you.
2) i will choose who we lynch every phase via RNG, then we will lynch him without question. the RNG will be determined by this post (the one you're reading right now). each post is assigned a unique id on team liquid which cannot be manipulated because of the rate of posts on TL; this makes it the perfect candidate for determining people via RNG. then from that post id i will use the following formula to determine whom is the candidate for lynch:
(sum of each individual digit in the post id [ex: 1111 = 4]) / 21 [number of players alive in game] * coefficient of the thread's stupidity
this formula will provide a number from 1 to 21, we will lynch the player it determines without hesitation or questioning. no possible explanation or reasoning could convince me that RNG lynching is in any way sub-optimal play. please bow before the RNG and watch it carry us to victory. I don't think so given this explanation ![[image loading]](http://media1.giphy.com/media/14kWsgozAwOtoc/giphy.gif) That doesn't make sense. If you say he didn't RNG fidel, that would mean he had a reason to single out fidel. Fidel had no posts at the point where he claimed to have RNG'd him. So what would be the selection criteria? Are you saying he selected a weak player to go after or something? Your reasoning doesn't seem fluid/natural which is scummy. Explain to me how given this formula (sum of each individual digit in the post id [ex: 1111 = 4]) / 21 [number of players alive in game] * coefficient of the thread's stupidity ritoky can RNG a number between 1 and 21. When the "coefficient of the thread's stupidity" would have to be a number chosen by himself as he couldn't put fucking infinity into this becouse that wouldnt give him a number between 1 and 21. SO YES I AM SAYING HE LIED ABOUT HOW HE RNG'D OR HE SPECIFICALLY CHOSE FIDEL. Do i have a reason why he chose fidel? No. But from what he has said i don't see how he could have rng'd him. What do you fail to understand here Bh used the exact same algorithm or whatever in FF. Is FF fantasy football mafia? Because this is BH's explanation of his RNG lynch. For RNG, this post will be used for generating a random lynch. The # in the upper left corner can be right-clicked and used to access the absolute TL post # for this post. That number mod 9 is the random lynch. 1 =Oats, 2 = rayn, etc, all the way up to 8 = holyflare and 0 = sloosh.
The reason we use the absolute TL post number is that posts are constantly being made, so the number is truly random. We turn it into a number 1-14 by taking that number mod 14. What is mod? effectively, it's the remainder after division. For example. 13 mod 14 = 13. 14 mod 14 = 0. 18 mod 14 = 4. 19 mod 14 = 5. and so on.
Basically, this generates a random number 1 through 14. I am in favor of the random lynch (though am somewhat interested in a policy lynch today as well-- TL does not do this enough. I will start off by voting for the random lynched based on THIS POST.
This is not what ritoky did. The methods you have outlined here are clearly outdated and old fashioned. We have a database that compiles statistics and choosing not to compile those statistical tendencies into your RNG formula is very poor judgment, irresponsible, and poo pooing on those who work so hard to compile said statistics. Although it is a secret formula, I will share it with you. People are stupid when they lose, thus the coefficient of the thread's stupidity is: the inverse of the average of all players' winrates. or 1/[(sum of players winrates)/(total players)]. Plugging this value into the equation gives you 4.114, which I have rounded based on standard mathematical practices to 4. + Show Spoiler + It makes sense, it's cleaver and it fits with the overall theme of the game. Honestly this sounds a ton more likely than a scum!ritoky seeing Fidei's pregame post and deciding to push him with RNG. The fact of the matter is rit only claimed something more than RNG after Fidei entered the game, and did so in a fashion that made himself look bad. Thus I find myself still thinking the case rit made is fairly sexy, though I do question his math a bit. 30% is generouse and I find it pretty unlikely that we have more than 5 mafia, it is possible though to have 6 if there are roles to keep thing balanced. So real chance of a RNG lynch this game to hit mafia is somewhere between 25 and 30% To be fair I don't have any real strong scum reads atm. I think the case on Fidei outside of RNG is good. I have my own thinking telling me Damdred might be scum. Ruxx is super null with only a twinge of scum lean, mostly because I almost feel like he's hiding behind his role more than having fun with it but I can't really read ruxx for shit so idk. This one I hate myself for even thinking about + Show Spoiler +I told ruxx he was stupid for this, but geript really has been indirectly calling himself scum. Call it a projection read. . Other than that I just think it's weird LT says he wants to sheep HtS and Rels is really weird so far too. It's hard to tell where the role play begins and ends which is making this a interesting challenge to read people. For now I'm gunna sheep the RNG I guess. ##Vote: Fidei
In the middle of catching up and good lord is this a terrible post.
Might switch later.
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On August 20 2015 16:30 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 16:25 Tictock wrote:On August 20 2015 16:19 Fidei86 wrote:
Ritoky's posts since my wot are much more like what I expect from town ritoky, fwiw. This, plus what I said about the RNG stuff being more likely to come from town!ritoky paradying than scum!ritoky hiding and tunneling, is why I'm feel ok sheeping his case atm. Since you are around, and because I'm wavering atm (haven't even actually voted) who would you vote today? Who do you think is your strongest scumread atm Fidei? and why? A predetermined meta is literally the easiest thing to stick to. Well, perhaps it's slightly harder than just lurking, but not by much. My reads were all mostly on that sort of 'superficial' level too, so I don't think it's necessarily scummy from you, but I don't think your reasoning there is particularly sound. Let me go and read some more filters before I answer you definitively. Off the top of my head, I'd probably say Tubesock. I'll go read his filter again now.
So let me break down why I think Fidei is mafia for this post.
A predetermined meta is literally the easiest thing to stick to. Well, perhaps it's slightly harder than just lurking, but not by much.
This is true enough, but it doesn't apply to this situation. Rit opened by RNGing you, he then later makes a case on you based on your opening and keeps his RNG as a part of it. He moved beyond the RNG by making a real case.
My reads were all mostly on that sort of 'superficial' level too, so I don't think it's necessarily scummy from you, but I don't think your reasoning there is particularly sound.
This is the part that really bothers me, especially the bolded.
Fidei has made 2 Walls of Text posts, in the First he talks about how he feels the game needs to move into a "try-hard" mode and identifies himself as a try-hard.
His 2nd and Main WoT comes about midway through the day with about half of it a defense of rit's case on him and then the other half spent giving us his reads on about half the game, I think he mentions the other half in a lurker list, but I didn't bother to confirm. Clearly this is his tryhard post giving us as much as he has in the game at that point.
So for town!Fidei to go through that effort and put together those reads, only to turn around a few hours later and describe those same reads as 'superficial' makes no sense. If he doesn't really believe these reads then why go through the effort of putting them all together and make them look good?
Clearly he knows his reads were bad, just the same as he knows he failed to read the thread at times and agreed people were justified in scum reading him for that.
It's also pretty clear that he doesn't believe his own scum reads. He listed Rels, Rit, myself and Tube as scum in that big WoT post but he seems to have flipped us all to town for fairly weak reasons. Actually I'm not sure where his stance is on Rels but he certaintly seems to be talking to rels like he thinks he's town. In fact he's been talking about all 4 of us like we are town.
On August 20 2015 16:50 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 16:46 Tubesock wrote:
Hypocrisy is delicious.
So, you top scum me because you've never played with me and don't have any "hopes" shall we say of me being more town. Over KelsierSC who is nailing Batsnacks' can't give a fuck attitude. You are saying that Kels usually doesn't do shit, but gets NK'd so he must be good? Is that what I read? I'm not saying it makes sense that he keeps getting NK'd, I'm just saying that is what has happened in previous games. And this isn't Kelsier being bat - from what I've seen its what he does every game. And as to scumming you - that was my read at the time. I need to update it now but I've been stuck in this dialogue with TT. I will obviously update my reads. But I don't see that I should just refuse to give a read because I haven't played with you before? And if I caveated every read with "but I haven't played with him before" that would be tedious. And I don't need to if I'm not basing the read on meta.
On August 20 2015 17:56 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 17:50 Rels wrote:
now that I explained why your tubesock's townread is stupid, do you reconsider ? I hadn't thought about things like that before. You're right that town reads are easy to give out as mafia. In a way, it would make sense that nervous mafia would town read people who seem to be posting in a town manner (which would explain why our reads align), and his push on me without scum reading anyone else (or really even considering anyone else, for that matter) isn't exactly massively towny. So yeah, I guess. Since you're online, I might as well ask - you've been pretty quiet up until now. What do you think about the push on me more generally (that you now seem to have joined)?
He did give some reasons to his read change on me, but really it was just because I called out that his original reasons had never even happened.
On August 20 2015 16:14 Fidei86 wrote:
@TT fair enough re HTS. Just checked again. I think my notes were referring to your post on Ruxx's meta reads which I actually didn't give enough credit for. It was low hanging fruit for sure, but it was probably worth saying.
You said Rit's case "made your dick hard". Okay, so agreeing doesn't necessarily mean you were going to vote that way- perhaps I was using the term "sheeping" too loosely.
My point on your interactions with Damdred stands. You were in HG with me, right? Do you remember how pissed I was with Onegu all game for being useless, and how I kept saying we should lynch him not because he was scum, but because it would be impossible to read him through the shit he was saying? I sort of feel the same way about Damdred here. Insofar as your post is an attempt to draw Damdred out, then I can see that's actually helpful. I didn't read it that way at first because what can you really read into his rambling so far, but you could have been pandering to his role play.
I guess that means I'll move you back to null.
TLDR: Fidei is mafia for making a try-hard wall of text style post with tons of reads, then later calling those reads "superficial" and it seems clear that he never believed his own scum reads
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On August 20 2015 17:39 Rels wrote:
fidei + tubesock scumteam
only meaningful posts from tubesock comes from discussion with fidei
tubesocks does nothing except naming some townreads and defending from fidei, goes to sleep
then fidei townreads him
Might be wrong but love his thinking.
Town pile
Tube sock comes off worse looking than fidei imo
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