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On August 20 2015 16:16 Tubesock wrote:
What's your thinking on Damdred?
Okay I have a bunch of thoughts.
1. Damdred is a strong player, especially towards the later part of the game. However his reads early on are usually quite meh. In Holy Guardians he was 100% wrong on all of reads until like d4 when he solved the game and got insta-NK'd.
2. There is no point in even bothering to parse his posts so far - they are garbage. Clearly he is role playing. Fine. But exactly as I said viz Onegu in Holy Guardians - he's easy lynch bait later on if he doesn't stop messing around. I would be pushing him harder, but there are too many people who haven't been playing the game properly (as I think of it anyway.. Pushing, giving reads, interacting on meaningful stuff) for a policy lynch to make sense. I think I had what, nine people on my 'lurker' list? Pretty sure some are Mafia, but they can't all be.
3. Damdred and ritoky always claim that they have a super good read on each other. So far, from the games I've seen, their reads on each other are usually right. So honestly if I was going to listen to someone's opinion of Damdred, it would be ritoky (especially now ritoky seems to be engaged in the game a little more).
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On August 20 2015 16:25 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 16:19 Fidei86 wrote:
Ritoky's posts since my wot are much more like what I expect from town ritoky, fwiw. This, plus what I said about the RNG stuff being more likely to come from town!ritoky paradying than scum!ritoky hiding and tunneling, is why I'm feel ok sheeping his case atm. Since you are around, and because I'm wavering atm (haven't even actually voted) who would you vote today? Who do you think is your strongest scumread atm Fidei? and why?
A predetermined meta is literally the easiest thing to stick to. Well, perhaps it's slightly harder than just lurking, but not by much. My reads were all mostly on that sort of 'superficial' level too, so I don't think it's necessarily scummy from you, but I don't think your reasoning there is particularly sound.
Let me go and read some more filters before I answer you definitively. Off the top of my head, I'd probably say Tubesock. I'll go read his filter again now.
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On August 20 2015 16:26 Fidei86 wrote:Okay I have a bunch of thoughts. 1. Damdred is a strong player, especially towards the later part of the game. However his reads early on are usually quite meh. In Holy Guardians he was 100% wrong on all of reads until like d4 when he solved the game and got insta-NK'd. 2. There is no point in even bothering to parse his posts so far - they are garbage. Clearly he is role playing. Fine. But exactly as I said viz Onegu in Holy Guardians - he's easy lynch bait later on if he doesn't stop messing around. I would be pushing him harder, but there are too many people who haven't been playing the game properly (as I think of it anyway.. Pushing, giving reads, interacting on meaningful stuff) for a policy lynch to make sense. I think I had what, nine people on my 'lurker' list? Pretty sure some are Mafia, but they can't all be. 3. Damdred and ritoky always claim that they have a super good read on each other. So far, from the games I've seen, their reads on each other are usually right. So honestly if I was going to listen to someone's opinion of Damdred, it would be ritoky (especially now ritoky seems to be engaged in the game a little more).
Wait what?
Basically what this boils down to is that you have no opinion but would trust the person pushing on you who you said you had a scum lean on before?
I get that your starting to lean town on him now, but this still feels weird to me.
I'm also really confused why you keep bringing up what happened in other games when you yourself keep pointing out that almost nobody is playing like themselves...
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On August 20 2015 16:20 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 15:56 Fidei86 wrote:On August 20 2015 15:07 Tictock wrote:On August 20 2015 14:41 The Shining wrote:On August 20 2015 11:55 Fecalfeast wrote:On August 20 2015 11:19 The Shining wrote:On August 20 2015 11:15 geript wrote:
Really no one else is posting? This is some bs K maybe ur not so scummy ??? elaborate feels like he's genuinely frustrated that the game is slow and no one is talking. i dont think scum would care enough to make this post Except he posted that 3 hours after his last post, in the middle of conversation that other people were having and then doesn't post again for 2 hours. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=33#651I honestly don't get the reason for geripts post here. It's out of place, complains about "no one posting" but doesn't try to engage anyone who IS posting at the time. So if geript really was frustrated why does he complain about something that is clearly not true? Why doesn't he try and engadge people who are around at the time of that post. So on the surface saying "scum wouldn't care to make this post" sounds good, but when you look at that post in context it makes very little sense. Seems like a shitty reason to townread geript to me. Thing is that other players have complained about the meta of the game so far. When I did it, I followed up with a big post with reads etc. Geript didn't exactly post a WoT, but he has been giving reads, appearing to think critically etc. But what about Kelsier? Pretty much all he has said are throwaway remarks about the bad meta of the game. And he always have these without looking to engage anyone. So if you're not also scum reading him as well, that's a double standard. KSC, Obi, and Yamato look like they are just being themselves to me, they kinda just don't give a shit. I haven't really played much with them (and never with yamato) but from what I've seen of them in other games this is pretty par for the course. Obi is actually a slight town read for me currently, he has made a few pokes and prods. As scum I'd describe him as "just along for the ride", in this game I feel like he's a little engadged, sorta? Idk he is definitely someone to keep an eye on though. Humm actually KSC does seem to be a little more throwaway this game than I'd like... I'll reread him a bit later. I can't recall if it was him or someone else I suspected of rolling Palmar.
Kelsier keeps getting NK'd early in the games I'm in him with (Newbie, Himalayas) which is confusing because you're right, he always plays like this (not giving a shit, trolling, being passive aggressive). It really annoys me though because it doesn't help town at all and, if he is town, makes him an easy ML later on. And it annoys me even more because my guess is that he's attempting to preserve his 'meta' for when he rolls scum. It's easy for him to repeat as either alignment. The only reason I'm not pushing him is because he falls into the same camp as Damdred and the "lurkers" - there are too many of them to crack out a policy lynch agenda.
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On August 20 2015 16:30 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 16:25 Tictock wrote:On August 20 2015 16:19 Fidei86 wrote:
Ritoky's posts since my wot are much more like what I expect from town ritoky, fwiw. This, plus what I said about the RNG stuff being more likely to come from town!ritoky paradying than scum!ritoky hiding and tunneling, is why I'm feel ok sheeping his case atm. Since you are around, and because I'm wavering atm (haven't even actually voted) who would you vote today? Who do you think is your strongest scumread atm Fidei? and why? A predetermined meta is literally the easiest thing to stick to. Well, perhaps it's slightly harder than just lurking, but not by much. My reads were all mostly on that sort of 'superficial' level too, so I don't think it's necessarily scummy from you, but I don't think your reasoning there is particularly sound. Let me go and read some more filters before I answer you definitively. Off the top of my head, I'd probably say Tubesock. I'll go read his filter again now.
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Yea your scum.
Sorry buddy.
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On August 20 2015 12:40 JudgeJudy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 12:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
the first thing of real substance with a read he decides to post? A cop-out of a minor case on me after Obi already voted. ![[image loading]](http://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/jon-stewart-confused-what.gif) Huh? Obi never voted for you. Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 12:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
I will admit could be bias 'cause I don't like it when people vote me for shit reasons lol I attacked you for not following up on stuff rux said later on in the thread and for not posting reads, vote for you, and then you proceed to follow up on stuff rux said later on in the thread and then posted reads. How is that not a valid reason? At least your rux post kinda makes sense after following your train of thought if he is saying what you are saying. I'm not actually sure he is calling you town there though. It's not really clear what he is saying at all to be honest. @ruX what is your read on Wave? geript read doesn't exactly bring anything new to the table and the others are kinda meh. How about reads on people like chez or Rels? Might move my vote off you in the morning now that you're willing to play the game (assuming you don't disappear for the next 24 hours) As a side note, I'm less worried about ritoky now that he is talking about other people.
Not lynching wave today.
Too many scums on the table.
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On August 20 2015 13:04 geript wrote:
I forgot, plus ticktock.
No, TT is town.
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On August 20 2015 16:26 Fidei86 wrote:Okay I have a bunch of thoughts. 1. Damdred is a strong player, especially towards the later part of the game. However his reads early on are usually quite meh. In Holy Guardians he was 100% wrong on all of reads until like d4 when he solved the game and got insta-NK'd. 2. There is no point in even bothering to parse his posts so far - they are garbage. Clearly he is role playing. Fine. But exactly as I said viz Onegu in Holy Guardians - he's easy lynch bait later on if he doesn't stop messing around. I would be pushing him harder, but there are too many people who haven't been playing the game properly (as I think of it anyway.. Pushing, giving reads, interacting on meaningful stuff) for a policy lynch to make sense. I think I had what, nine people on my 'lurker' list? Pretty sure some are Mafia, but they can't all be. 3. Damdred and ritoky always claim that they have a super good read on each other. So far, from the games I've seen, their reads on each other are usually right. So honestly if I was going to listen to someone's opinion of Damdred, it would be ritoky (especially now ritoky seems to be engaged in the game a little more).
I meant your thoughts on Damdred THIS game.
I don't particularly care if he roleplays or not. I think of this game like a big chance for everyone to smurf. In the beginning of the game Damdred was posting his rp and it sparked conversation. It got Chezinu salty, Fecalfeast, and geript as well. Stepping back I got some reads watching them go. So, to me Damdred was useful. Now, like everyone else I wish he would answer TickTock questions and post more since his phone internet is fixed (*5 hours??)
So, did YOU Fidei gain anything from him?
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On August 20 2015 16:32 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 16:26 Fidei86 wrote:On August 20 2015 16:16 Tubesock wrote:
What's your thinking on Damdred? Okay I have a bunch of thoughts. 1. Damdred is a strong player, especially towards the later part of the game. However his reads early on are usually quite meh. In Holy Guardians he was 100% wrong on all of reads until like d4 when he solved the game and got insta-NK'd. 2. There is no point in even bothering to parse his posts so far - they are garbage. Clearly he is role playing. Fine. But exactly as I said viz Onegu in Holy Guardians - he's easy lynch bait later on if he doesn't stop messing around. I would be pushing him harder, but there are too many people who haven't been playing the game properly (as I think of it anyway.. Pushing, giving reads, interacting on meaningful stuff) for a policy lynch to make sense. I think I had what, nine people on my 'lurker' list? Pretty sure some are Mafia, but they can't all be. 3. Damdred and ritoky always claim that they have a super good read on each other. So far, from the games I've seen, their reads on each other are usually right. So honestly if I was going to listen to someone's opinion of Damdred, it would be ritoky (especially now ritoky seems to be engaged in the game a little more). Wait what? Basically what this boils down to is that you have no opinion but would trust the person pushing on you who you said you had a scum lean on before? I get that your starting to lean town on him now, but this still feels weird to me. I'm also really confused why you keep bringing up what happened in other games when you yourself keep pointing out that almost nobody is playing like themselves...
well, I do have an opinion, just not a read. And yes, I'm skeptical of ritoky this game. This interaction has actually reminded me that it is weird that they haven't been interacting at all, given how they usually do very early on. I know they're pretending to be someone else, but it is such a strong meta part of the game for both of them that I would have thought they'd find a way to weave it into their role play.
Viz other games - that's just how I think. What people have done in their previous games provides me with some kind of yardstick for measuring their play.
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On August 20 2015 16:30 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 16:25 Tictock wrote:On August 20 2015 16:19 Fidei86 wrote:
Ritoky's posts since my wot are much more like what I expect from town ritoky, fwiw. This, plus what I said about the RNG stuff being more likely to come from town!ritoky paradying than scum!ritoky hiding and tunneling, is why I'm feel ok sheeping his case atm. Since you are around, and because I'm wavering atm (haven't even actually voted) who would you vote today? Who do you think is your strongest scumread atm Fidei? and why? A predetermined meta is literally the easiest thing to stick to. Well, perhaps it's slightly harder than just lurking, but not by much. My reads were all mostly on that sort of 'superficial' level too, so I don't think it's necessarily scummy from you, but I don't think your reasoning there is particularly sound. Let me go and read some more filters before I answer you definitively. Off the top of my head, I'd probably say Tubesock. I'll go read his filter again now.
Just like to point out that the bolded is so crazy untrue. If it were, then no one would use meta as everyone would play their "town" meta no matter their role.
Why am I your top vote? Half the shit you scummed me for you agreed with. You know like how you weren't reading...
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On August 20 2015 16:40 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 16:32 Tictock wrote:On August 20 2015 16:26 Fidei86 wrote:On August 20 2015 16:16 Tubesock wrote:
What's your thinking on Damdred? Okay I have a bunch of thoughts. 1. Damdred is a strong player, especially towards the later part of the game. However his reads early on are usually quite meh. In Holy Guardians he was 100% wrong on all of reads until like d4 when he solved the game and got insta-NK'd. 2. There is no point in even bothering to parse his posts so far - they are garbage. Clearly he is role playing. Fine. But exactly as I said viz Onegu in Holy Guardians - he's easy lynch bait later on if he doesn't stop messing around. I would be pushing him harder, but there are too many people who haven't been playing the game properly (as I think of it anyway.. Pushing, giving reads, interacting on meaningful stuff) for a policy lynch to make sense. I think I had what, nine people on my 'lurker' list? Pretty sure some are Mafia, but they can't all be. 3. Damdred and ritoky always claim that they have a super good read on each other. So far, from the games I've seen, their reads on each other are usually right. So honestly if I was going to listen to someone's opinion of Damdred, it would be ritoky (especially now ritoky seems to be engaged in the game a little more). Wait what? Basically what this boils down to is that you have no opinion but would trust the person pushing on you who you said you had a scum lean on before? I get that your starting to lean town on him now, but this still feels weird to me. I'm also really confused why you keep bringing up what happened in other games when you yourself keep pointing out that almost nobody is playing like themselves... well, I do have an opinion, just not a read. And yes, I'm skeptical of ritoky this game. This interaction has actually reminded me that it is weird that they haven't been interacting at all, given how they usually do very early on. I know they're pretending to be someone else, but it is such a strong meta part of the game for both of them that I would have thought they'd find a way to weave it into their role play. Viz other games - that's just how I think. What people have done in their previous games provides me with some kind of yardstick for measuring their play.
On August 19 2015 09:07 Tictock wrote:
Come on now, newbies really should not be trying to apply meta reads. Maybe after you've played in more games than you can count on your hands you can start to try and apply this type of read. There are just too many factors that goes into a proper meta read for you to let that me your only method of judging people.
Besides, in a game where everyone is trying to play the meta of somebody else this seems like a really retarted way to go.
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On August 20 2015 16:34 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 16:30 Fidei86 wrote:On August 20 2015 16:25 Tictock wrote:On August 20 2015 16:19 Fidei86 wrote:
Ritoky's posts since my wot are much more like what I expect from town ritoky, fwiw. This, plus what I said about the RNG stuff being more likely to come from town!ritoky paradying than scum!ritoky hiding and tunneling, is why I'm feel ok sheeping his case atm. Since you are around, and because I'm wavering atm (haven't even actually voted) who would you vote today? Who do you think is your strongest scumread atm Fidei? and why? A predetermined meta is literally the easiest thing to stick to. Well, perhaps it's slightly harder than just lurking, but not by much. My reads were all mostly on that sort of 'superficial' level too, so I don't think it's necessarily scummy from you, but I don't think your reasoning there is particularly sound. Let me go and read some more filters before I answer you definitively. Off the top of my head, I'd probably say Tubesock. I'll go read his filter again now. ... Yea your scum. Sorry buddy.
Care to elaborate?
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Hypocrisy is delicious.
So, you top scum me because you've never played with me and don't have any "hopes" shall we say of me being more town. Over KelsierSC who is nailing Batsnacks' can't give a fuck attitude. You are saying that Kels usually doesn't do shit, but gets NK'd so he must be good? Is that what I read?
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On August 20 2015 16:41 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 16:30 Fidei86 wrote:On August 20 2015 16:25 Tictock wrote:On August 20 2015 16:19 Fidei86 wrote:
Ritoky's posts since my wot are much more like what I expect from town ritoky, fwiw. This, plus what I said about the RNG stuff being more likely to come from town!ritoky paradying than scum!ritoky hiding and tunneling, is why I'm feel ok sheeping his case atm. Since you are around, and because I'm wavering atm (haven't even actually voted) who would you vote today? Who do you think is your strongest scumread atm Fidei? and why? A predetermined meta is literally the easiest thing to stick to. Well, perhaps it's slightly harder than just lurking, but not by much. My reads were all mostly on that sort of 'superficial' level too, so I don't think it's necessarily scummy from you, but I don't think your reasoning there is particularly sound. Let me go and read some more filters before I answer you definitively. Off the top of my head, I'd probably say Tubesock. I'll go read his filter again now. Just like to point out that the bolded is so crazy untrue. If it were, then no one would use meta as everyone would play their "town" meta no matter their role. Why am I your top vote? Half the shit you scummed me for you agreed with. You know like how you weren't reading...
Maybe we're talking at cross purposes? Let me try again. Going into a game with a plan on how to play REGARDLESS OF WHAT ALIGNMENT YOU ROLL is the easiest way to conceal your alignment. That is the same for ritoky spamming his RNG nonsense and Kelsier being inactive (and Onegu for his crap, though obv he isn't in the game). That's what I meant.
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On August 20 2015 16:44 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 16:34 Tictock wrote:On August 20 2015 16:30 Fidei86 wrote:On August 20 2015 16:25 Tictock wrote:On August 20 2015 16:19 Fidei86 wrote:
Ritoky's posts since my wot are much more like what I expect from town ritoky, fwiw. This, plus what I said about the RNG stuff being more likely to come from town!ritoky paradying than scum!ritoky hiding and tunneling, is why I'm feel ok sheeping his case atm. Since you are around, and because I'm wavering atm (haven't even actually voted) who would you vote today? Who do you think is your strongest scumread atm Fidei? and why? A predetermined meta is literally the easiest thing to stick to. Well, perhaps it's slightly harder than just lurking, but not by much. My reads were all mostly on that sort of 'superficial' level too, so I don't think it's necessarily scummy from you, but I don't think your reasoning there is particularly sound. Let me go and read some more filters before I answer you definitively. Off the top of my head, I'd probably say Tubesock. I'll go read his filter again now. ... Yea your scum. Sorry buddy. Care to elaborate?
I'll expound on it a little later, right now I'm rather see you doing something other than defending yourself.
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On August 20 2015 16:46 Tubesock wrote:
Hypocrisy is delicious.
So, you top scum me because you've never played with me and don't have any "hopes" shall we say of me being more town. Over KelsierSC who is nailing Batsnacks' can't give a fuck attitude. You are saying that Kels usually doesn't do shit, but gets NK'd so he must be good? Is that what I read?
I'm not saying it makes sense that he keeps getting NK'd, I'm just saying that is what has happened in previous games. And this isn't Kelsier being bat - from what I've seen its what he does every game.
And as to scumming you - that was my read at the time. I need to update it now but I've been stuck in this dialogue with TT. I will obviously update my reads. But I don't see that I should just refuse to give a read because I haven't played with you before? And if I caveated every read with "but I haven't played with him before" that would be tedious. And I don't need to if I'm not basing the read on meta.
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On August 20 2015 16:50 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 16:44 Fidei86 wrote:On August 20 2015 16:34 Tictock wrote:On August 20 2015 16:30 Fidei86 wrote:On August 20 2015 16:25 Tictock wrote:On August 20 2015 16:19 Fidei86 wrote:
Ritoky's posts since my wot are much more like what I expect from town ritoky, fwiw. This, plus what I said about the RNG stuff being more likely to come from town!ritoky paradying than scum!ritoky hiding and tunneling, is why I'm feel ok sheeping his case atm. Since you are around, and because I'm wavering atm (haven't even actually voted) who would you vote today? Who do you think is your strongest scumread atm Fidei? and why? A predetermined meta is literally the easiest thing to stick to. Well, perhaps it's slightly harder than just lurking, but not by much. My reads were all mostly on that sort of 'superficial' level too, so I don't think it's necessarily scummy from you, but I don't think your reasoning there is particularly sound. Let me go and read some more filters before I answer you definitively. Off the top of my head, I'd probably say Tubesock. I'll go read his filter again now. ... Yea your scum. Sorry buddy. Care to elaborate? I'll expound on it a little later, right now I'm rather see you doing something other than defending yourself.
Fair enough.
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hello
don't have time to play so will sheep my town reads ritoky, geript, HTS, TT, JJ, OWS
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On August 20 2015 16:50 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 16:46 Tubesock wrote:
Hypocrisy is delicious.
So, you top scum me because you've never played with me and don't have any "hopes" shall we say of me being more town. Over KelsierSC who is nailing Batsnacks' can't give a fuck attitude. You are saying that Kels usually doesn't do shit, but gets NK'd so he must be good? Is that what I read? I'm not saying it makes sense that he keeps getting NK'd, I'm just saying that is what has happened in previous games. And this isn't Kelsier being bat - from what I've seen its what he does every game. And as to scumming you - that was my read at the time. I need to update it now but I've been stuck in this dialogue with TT. I will obviously update my reads. But I don't see that I should just refuse to give a read because I haven't played with you before? And if I caveated every read with "but I haven't played with him before" that would be tedious. And I don't need to if I'm not basing the read on meta.
Ok, my point was you are scumming me the most of everyone in the game for retracting from a Chezinu Ruling 10 minutes into the game (which is super dubious in this type of game anyway), scumming you for not reading (which you admitted to doing), and giving 4 townreads (2 which were not even strong) without reasoning.
And for giving passes to others because of history with them in a game where all that shit is out the window. Who cares if Ritoky and Damdred are soulreaders in other games. This is a smurf game. Are they doing things you think make them town or not?
Anyway, I've been up for around 32 hours or something stupid and need to pass out.
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tubesock comes back and
- attacks fidei
- defends himself
- leaves
In addition to the other shit (voting easy targets) I think he's scum. That would mean fidei is probably not scum though
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