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On August 20 2015 14:16 Half the Sky wrote:
Read through WoS' filter. Pretty sure he's town.
And I have to go to work. I'll look through more stuff during lunchtime. I'd say at this point top three lynches for me at this point are ruXxar, Lord, Tubesock.
I'd be fine to compromise on Yamato, and as stated, Beneather is pure policy.
Why is yamato not policy but beneather is?
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On August 20 2015 07:21 Fidei86 wrote:
TickTock - Poor TT must be tired of me scum reading him (I have done in both previous games we've played together). This time, however, my reasons are pretty different. Before, I've accused TT of "going 100kph in a 30kph zone". This time, my notes of his key posts are as follows:
TE: Calls out Ruxxar for shitty meta list (#387)
Weird sexual references, says he likes Ritoky's case on me (#415)
Sheeps HTS' read on Ruxx (#467)
Tries to read into what Damdred was saying. Says I ignored Damdred. (#475)
I really don't think it's possible to read anything into Damdred's play yet. Other than that, he has sheeped two people's cases, and jumped onto the Ruxxar 'wagon' which, as I've said above, is premature.
Gunna be all egotistical and just focus on Fidei's terrible read on me for a second.
This has to be the worst reasoning I've ever seen posted as to why I might be scum. Literally none of the things he's calling me scum for even happened.
Sheeps HTS' read on Ruxx (#467)
has sheeped two people's cases, and jumped onto the Ruxxar 'wagon'
I said I liked Rits case which =/= sheeping, and I've actually been saying HtS's first 2 posts on ruxx looked really weak to me. To boot, I've never even voted this game so idk how I could be sheeping anyone or on any wagons.
This leads me to conclude that Fidei still isn't really following the game and others have pointed out inconsistencies with other reads so I have to conclude that this post was only made to save face and not really to share thoughts about the game.
I'm going to be around for a fair bit of the rest of this phase rereading some things, but right now I think I'll end up voting Fidei.
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On August 20 2015 13:49 Half the Sky wrote:
Yamato's scum meta is doing jack all, so I understand and would be fine with a vote on him.
I know Yamato's play. I have never played with the latter so I can't make the same comparison on him.
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On August 20 2015 11:55 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 11:19 The Shining wrote:On August 20 2015 11:15 geript wrote:
Really no one else is posting? This is some bs K maybe ur not so scummy ??? elaborate
feels like he's genuinely frustrated that the game is slow and no one is talking. i dont think scum would care enough to make this post
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On August 20 2015 14:41 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 11:55 Fecalfeast wrote:On August 20 2015 11:19 The Shining wrote:On August 20 2015 11:15 geript wrote:
Really no one else is posting? This is some bs K maybe ur not so scummy ??? elaborate feels like he's genuinely frustrated that the game is slow and no one is talking. i dont think scum would care enough to make this post
i would, just saying
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Humm, have been doing some reading on LT because I kinda like HtS' read on him. I found this to be very interesting
On August 20 2015 03:22 Lord Tolkien wrote:
##Vote Vayne Authority
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##Unvote VayneAuthority
##Vote ruXxar
It's fairly clear that the vote on VA was a troll vote to get a reaction (LT even said as much in one of his posts) so I'm a little confused why he bothered to "make it legit" by posting this in the VT while changing to ruxx in the same post.
Other than that I kinda agree with HtS' read on him as it kinda looks to me like LT is using this as an excuse to hop on the ruxx wagon.
On August 20 2015 03:34 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 03:27 ruXxar wrote:On August 20 2015 03:23 Lord Tolkien wrote:On August 20 2015 03:19 ruXxar wrote:
You're never going to lynch me this game.
Just give up already. do i smell a challonge? It's not a challenge if it's impossible to achieve. ![[image loading]](http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/animaljam/images/d/d2/Challenge-accepted.png/revision/latest?cb=20140928111255) Reasoning: the impossible dreams are the best ones to chase. Which reminds me. 1) Anyone who uses MEEEEEEETA this game is retarded. true story 2) Wave should be modkilled for talking about THIS GAME with me out of game. Though fortunately I was spaced out and wasn't listening, so maybe not. Also, I have a totally out of game meta read that he's [REDACTED]. I wonder. Can anyone fill in that gap? 3)
However LT does have one post that gives me pause...
On August 20 2015 04:41 Lord Tolkien wrote:I am not inclined to believe a META read at this juncture of the game. I mostly find that individual read to be non-alignment indicative for either, and mostly a trend; outside of Chez opposing a standard BH RNG lynch, there's nothing that stands out without relying on copious amounts of meta of him, which I don't have. As for geript...he's continuing to post some of the strangest speculation ever. Like. Show nested quote +On August 19 2015 08:10 geript wrote:
Maybe I wrong on wave and Breshke is rayn. Idk. Either way there's like an 80% chance that Blazinghand is a mafia pm. So we should lynch him. He's trying to not only to speculatively figure out personality roles based on meta AND THEN lynch based off META from there. uuuuuuuuhhhhh Mostly inclined to NOLYNCH him D1 based solely on activity ( would still zero in on Vayne for not responding to my incredibly airtight case, but I have accepted a challonge). But have mostly discounted everything he said.
Overall this post looks fairly genuine to me, semi-attempts to read geript, explains his votes (bolded). I guess it's mostly the jokey nonchalant tone of the bolded line that is making me think LT might be town (this tone is present in quite a few of his posts btw).
@LT care to explain what you meant by this?
On August 20 2015 05:41 Lord Tolkien wrote:
HtS: For obvious reasons. I will probably sheep her today.
It is not at all obvious
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On August 20 2015 14:41 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 11:55 Fecalfeast wrote:On August 20 2015 11:19 The Shining wrote:On August 20 2015 11:15 geript wrote:
Really no one else is posting? This is some bs K maybe ur not so scummy ??? elaborate feels like he's genuinely frustrated that the game is slow and no one is talking. i dont think scum would care enough to make this post
Except he posted that 3 hours after his last post, in the middle of conversation that other people were having and then doesn't post again for 2 hours.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=33#651
I honestly don't get the reason for geripts post here. It's out of place, complains about "no one posting" but doesn't try to engage anyone who IS posting at the time.
So if geript really was frustrated why does he complain about something that is clearly not true? Why doesn't he try and engadge people who are around at the time of that post.
So on the surface saying "scum wouldn't care to make this post" sounds good, but when you look at that post in context it makes very little sense. Seems like a shitty reason to townread geript to me.
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Hello all,
Sorry, my 10 hour work trip turned into 18. Just got home.
Sicklucker: (Thought you were Batsnacks for a post or two)
On August 20 2015 07:05 The Shining wrote:tube what is this trap you speak of? and what's a shining? my vote is rng cuz its based off of ritokys rng. duh. i found my first scum. tubesock will u please rise? Show nested quote +On August 19 2015 07:18 Tubesock wrote:
If Damdred is Chezinu, then first to scum Damdred is mafia due Chezinu rule.
Geript mafia.
Rekt. came off that way too fast and then votes the rng guy i voted with ritoky. he's just looking for lynches that he can't be blamed for.
I came off because I don't actually believe in the validity of the Chezinu Rule in this game proxying to Damdred and didn't think I would gain any read on Geript about it. So chose to not shit the thread. Although I do think it's hilarious.
How am I looking for lynches that I can't be blamed for? Ritoky and you were pure RNG pressure vote. I voted him because I wanted an answer for his Chezinu stuff (which he later admitted to not reading). I left my vote on because I didn't like any of his other posts either. I'm still happy with my vote. I think he's mafia and trying to flounder around and stay alive. So, yeah I'll take credit for this lynch (technically share with Ritoky since he's pushing it too).
On August 20 2015 07:26 The Shining wrote:
the epic quote fails make it hard to know o.o
if ur asking about tube going for easy votes, he uses chezinu rule to scum geript and all geript says is "it only works if the person scumming geript doesn't know chezinu" so he immediately backs off. where's the proof? im not even familiar with the chezinu rule. but chezinus my boy so its all good.
then he jumps on the fidei wagon and says he's not reading. there was a lot of effort in that read. and he stated the only real rng vote on fidei was ritokys. I disproved that with my flawless logicx. no scumhunting here, just a BS post about chezinu rule that he didn't even try to investigate and an effortless vote on ritokys lynchwagon.
boom. town mvp right here
My vote on Fidei86 was not an RNG vote. It was a pressure vote. Semantics sure, but if his post didn't bug me I wouldn't have done it. I wanted him to answer my question. What was your purpose? I don't like his reaction and later posts. Also, I'd like to point out, that there was no wagon till I got on it and then you jumped on with even less effort.
I'll talk more about Fidei in a little bit.
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On August 20 2015 13:57 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2015 14:36 Tubesock wrote:
You still scum Damdred?
What do you think of Tictock? How Tube goes from town to scum on Damdred I'm just quite unclear. That is in the span of four minutes - 0732 and 0736 CEST respectively. But that is pretty scummy.
I was asking Fecalfeast. I didn't scum Damdred.
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I missed those questions.
Damdred is still scum, I am not sure about ticktock as I haven't read his filter yet
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On August 20 2015 15:07 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 14:41 The Shining wrote:On August 20 2015 11:55 Fecalfeast wrote:On August 20 2015 11:19 The Shining wrote:On August 20 2015 11:15 geript wrote:
Really no one else is posting? This is some bs K maybe ur not so scummy ??? elaborate feels like he's genuinely frustrated that the game is slow and no one is talking. i dont think scum would care enough to make this post Except he posted that 3 hours after his last post, in the middle of conversation that other people were having and then doesn't post again for 2 hours. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=33#651I honestly don't get the reason for geripts post here. It's out of place, complains about "no one posting" but doesn't try to engage anyone who IS posting at the time. So if geript really was frustrated why does he complain about something that is clearly not true? Why doesn't he try and engadge people who are around at the time of that post. So on the surface saying "scum wouldn't care to make this post" sounds good, but when you look at that post in context it makes very little sense. Seems like a shitty reason to townread geript to me.
Thing is that other players have complained about the meta of the game so far. When I did it, I followed up with a big post with reads etc. Geript didn't exactly post a WoT, but he has been giving reads, appearing to think critically etc. But what about Kelsier? Pretty much all he has said are throwaway remarks about the bad meta of the game. And he always have these without looking to engage anyone. So if you're not also scum reading him as well, that's a double standard.
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I have re-read FF's filter and you all are right, he was talking about ritoky's RNG process as well, possibly before everyone else.
Re spewing- you pointed out two people who had you in their town lists. Thanks. I retract my point, although I will say that neither of the reads you refer to stuck with me because they were throwaway references that were not explained. Is that what people mean by 'spewing'? (Honest question. I assumed it meant posting a lot about someone's alignment, but happy to be corrected.)
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On August 20 2015 16:03 Fidei86 wrote:
I have re-read FF's filter and you all are right, he was talking about ritoky's RNG process as well, possibly before everyone else.
Re spewing- you pointed out two people who had you in their town lists. Thanks. I retract my point, although I will say that neither of the reads you refer to stuck with me because they were throwaway references that were not explained. Is that what people mean by 'spewing'? (Honest question. I assumed it meant posting a lot about someone's alignment, but happy to be corrected.)
a scum spewing someone town is calling that person town for little to no reason since they have perfect info.
Atleast that's what I meant
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Since my town reads 12 hours into the game where weird to you, why didn't you ask?
For prosperity now they are:
Geript, Judge, Breshke and Half the Sky.
I'm revaluating Chezinu due to Geript. He's right, Chez has really fallen off and it's not even the weekend. I really liked his beginning though.
Care to talk of any of the above? Or you want to talk to me?
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So when I was looking at Fidei earlier I couldn't help but notice one of his pregame posts and something he said in his defense.
On August 20 2015 07:21 Fidei86 wrote:
(8) I want to briefly address whether or not Ritoky would pretend to RNG me. I've played with Ritoky twice, but the second (himalayas) doesn't count because I was terrible town in that game until way after he got NKed. But in the first game, which was my first game too, basically I made all sorts of stupid newbie posts and mistakes and ritoky was scum softing me until he got NKed n1. I also said after himalayas that I really struggled because the game was big (although there was much much much more spam in tha game). This game is also big. So I think it's reasonable that he might have tagged me early as easy mis-lynch bait. The fact that I played into his hands with a pretty misguided thread entry only goes to show that he might have been onto something. But ... meh. It's hard for me to judge because he's going after me, so it's difficult to be totally objective. Anyone who was in Holy Guardians (VE, Damdred, TickTock) are better judges of this than me.
From Pregame:
On August 13 2015 17:41 Fidei86 wrote:
I'm going to stay in this game, even though it's bigger than I'd like, and will rely upon rolling masons with HTS or some shit to keep me sane through D3.
So yea, this is very possible. Obviously this lead me to reading ritoky's filter from the perspective of him being scum pushing the RNG thing as a cover to push someone he thinks will be an easy mislynch.
At first it looks promising as it was all rit wanted to talk about in the first half of D1 and even now that I see rit talking about more than his RNG push he isn't really sharing any reads.
However I did feel that this defense of the RNG push was pretty decent.
On August 19 2015 13:41 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2015 13:20 Breshke wrote:On August 19 2015 13:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 19 2015 12:41 Breshke wrote:On August 19 2015 12:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 19 2015 12:12 Breshke wrote:
I don't think ritoky actually RNG'd fidel He probably did. On August 19 2015 07:08 ritoky wrote:
Clearly what needs to happen this game is that we need to follow the most surefire way to lynch mafia and win games, and that is to follow the RNG lynch.
Here's how it works:
1) you will all follow me because i am better than you.
2) i will choose who we lynch every phase via RNG, then we will lynch him without question. the RNG will be determined by this post (the one you're reading right now). each post is assigned a unique id on team liquid which cannot be manipulated because of the rate of posts on TL; this makes it the perfect candidate for determining people via RNG. then from that post id i will use the following formula to determine whom is the candidate for lynch:
(sum of each individual digit in the post id [ex: 1111 = 4]) / 21 [number of players alive in game] * coefficient of the thread's stupidity
this formula will provide a number from 1 to 21, we will lynch the player it determines without hesitation or questioning. no possible explanation or reasoning could convince me that RNG lynching is in any way sub-optimal play. please bow before the RNG and watch it carry us to victory. I don't think so given this explanation I at first thought this was really scummy because if he was town why the fuck does he make this bullshit crap reason up to explain his "RNG" and not just be like yeah i used random.org But it makes sense in a world where he is trying to be BH and trying to be idk the word long winded? and he couldn't remember the way/couldnt be bothered doing it the way BH does it. So he is either a fucking shitter or scum Not to say his following read on fidel is bad but I don't wanna talk about that until fidel has been around some more Bh makes longish arguments backing his rng lynches all the time. Totally normal. That's why i was saying it makes sense if that is in fact what he was doing On August 19 2015 13:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 19 2015 12:50 Breshke wrote:On August 19 2015 12:46 JudgeJudy wrote:On August 19 2015 12:41 Breshke wrote:On August 19 2015 12:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 19 2015 12:12 Breshke wrote:
I don't think ritoky actually RNG'd fidel He probably did. On August 19 2015 07:08 ritoky wrote:
Clearly what needs to happen this game is that we need to follow the most surefire way to lynch mafia and win games, and that is to follow the RNG lynch.
Here's how it works:
1) you will all follow me because i am better than you.
2) i will choose who we lynch every phase via RNG, then we will lynch him without question. the RNG will be determined by this post (the one you're reading right now). each post is assigned a unique id on team liquid which cannot be manipulated because of the rate of posts on TL; this makes it the perfect candidate for determining people via RNG. then from that post id i will use the following formula to determine whom is the candidate for lynch:
(sum of each individual digit in the post id [ex: 1111 = 4]) / 21 [number of players alive in game] * coefficient of the thread's stupidity
this formula will provide a number from 1 to 21, we will lynch the player it determines without hesitation or questioning. no possible explanation or reasoning could convince me that RNG lynching is in any way sub-optimal play. please bow before the RNG and watch it carry us to victory. I don't think so given this explanation ![[image loading]](http://media1.giphy.com/media/14kWsgozAwOtoc/giphy.gif) That doesn't make sense. If you say he didn't RNG fidel, that would mean he had a reason to single out fidel. Fidel had no posts at the point where he claimed to have RNG'd him. So what would be the selection criteria? Are you saying he selected a weak player to go after or something? Your reasoning doesn't seem fluid/natural which is scummy. Explain to me how given this formula (sum of each individual digit in the post id [ex: 1111 = 4]) / 21 [number of players alive in game] * coefficient of the thread's stupidity ritoky can RNG a number between 1 and 21. When the "coefficient of the thread's stupidity" would have to be a number chosen by himself as he couldn't put fucking infinity into this becouse that wouldnt give him a number between 1 and 21. SO YES I AM SAYING HE LIED ABOUT HOW HE RNG'D OR HE SPECIFICALLY CHOSE FIDEL. Do i have a reason why he chose fidel? No. But from what he has said i don't see how he could have rng'd him. What do you fail to understand here Bh used the exact same algorithm or whatever in FF. Is FF fantasy football mafia? Because this is BH's explanation of his RNG lynch. For RNG, this post will be used for generating a random lynch. The # in the upper left corner can be right-clicked and used to access the absolute TL post # for this post. That number mod 9 is the random lynch. 1 =Oats, 2 = rayn, etc, all the way up to 8 = holyflare and 0 = sloosh.
The reason we use the absolute TL post number is that posts are constantly being made, so the number is truly random. We turn it into a number 1-14 by taking that number mod 14. What is mod? effectively, it's the remainder after division. For example. 13 mod 14 = 13. 14 mod 14 = 0. 18 mod 14 = 4. 19 mod 14 = 5. and so on.
Basically, this generates a random number 1 through 14. I am in favor of the random lynch (though am somewhat interested in a policy lynch today as well-- TL does not do this enough. I will start off by voting for the random lynched based on THIS POST.
This is not what ritoky did. The methods you have outlined here are clearly outdated and old fashioned. We have a database that compiles statistics and choosing not to compile those statistical tendencies into your RNG formula is very poor judgment, irresponsible, and poo pooing on those who work so hard to compile said statistics. Although it is a secret formula, I will share it with you. People are stupid when they lose, thus the coefficient of the thread's stupidity is: the inverse of the average of all players' winrates. or 1/[(sum of players winrates)/(total players)]. Plugging this value into the equation gives you 4.114, which I have rounded based on standard mathematical practices to 4. + Show Spoiler +
It makes sense, it's cleaver and it fits with the overall theme of the game. Honestly this sounds a ton more likely than a scum!ritoky seeing Fidei's pregame post and deciding to push him with RNG.
The fact of the matter is rit only claimed something more than RNG after Fidei entered the game, and did so in a fashion that made himself look bad. Thus I find myself still thinking the case rit made is fairly sexy, though I do question his math a bit.
30% is generouse and I find it pretty unlikely that we have more than 5 mafia, it is possible though to have 6 if there are roles to keep thing balanced. So real chance of a RNG lynch this game to hit mafia is somewhere between 25 and 30%
To be fair I don't have any real strong scum reads atm. I think the case on Fidei outside of RNG is good. I have my own thinking telling me Damdred might be scum. Ruxx is super null with only a twinge of scum lean, mostly because I almost feel like he's hiding behind his role more than having fun with it but I can't really read ruxx for shit so idk. This one I hate myself for even thinking about + Show Spoiler +I told ruxx he was stupid for this, but geript really has been indirectly calling himself scum. Call it a projection read.
Other than that I just think it's weird LT says he wants to sheep HtS and Rels is really weird so far too. It's hard to tell where the role play begins and ends which is making this a interesting challenge to read people.
For now I'm gunna sheep the RNG I guess.
##Vote: Fidei
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@TT fair enough re HTS. Just checked again. I think my notes were referring to your post on Ruxx's meta reads which I actually didn't give enough credit for. It was low hanging fruit for sure, but it was probably worth saying.
You said Rit's case "made your dick hard". Okay, so agreeing doesn't necessarily mean you were going to vote that way- perhaps I was using the term "sheeping" too loosely.
My point on your interactions with Damdred stands. You were in HG with me, right? Do you remember how pissed I was with Onegu all game for being useless, and how I kept saying we should lynch him not because he was scum, but because it would be impossible to read him through the shit he was saying? I sort of feel the same way about Damdred here. Insofar as your post is an attempt to draw Damdred out, then I can see that's actually helpful. I didn't read it that way at first because what can you really read into his rambling so far, but you could have been pandering to his role play.
I guess that means I'll move you back to null.
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What's your thinking on Damdred?
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On August 20 2015 16:12 Tictock wrote:So when I was looking at Fidei earlier I couldn't help but notice one of his pregame posts and something he said in his defense. Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 07:21 Fidei86 wrote:
(8) I want to briefly address whether or not Ritoky would pretend to RNG me. I've played with Ritoky twice, but the second (himalayas) doesn't count because I was terrible town in that game until way after he got NKed. But in the first game, which was my first game too, basically I made all sorts of stupid newbie posts and mistakes and ritoky was scum softing me until he got NKed n1. I also said after himalayas that I really struggled because the game was big (although there was much much much more spam in tha game). This game is also big. So I think it's reasonable that he might have tagged me early as easy mis-lynch bait. The fact that I played into his hands with a pretty misguided thread entry only goes to show that he might have been onto something. But ... meh. It's hard for me to judge because he's going after me, so it's difficult to be totally objective. Anyone who was in Holy Guardians (VE, Damdred, TickTock) are better judges of this than me.
From Pregame: Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 17:41 Fidei86 wrote:
I'm going to stay in this game, even though it's bigger than I'd like, and will rely upon rolling masons with HTS or some shit to keep me sane through D3. So yea, this is very possible. Obviously this lead me to reading ritoky's filter from the perspective of him being scum pushing the RNG thing as a cover to push someone he thinks will be an easy mislynch. At first it looks promising as it was all rit wanted to talk about in the first half of D1 and even now that I see rit talking about more than his RNG push he isn't really sharing any reads. However I did feel that this defense of the RNG push was pretty decent. Show nested quote +On August 19 2015 13:41 ritoky wrote:On August 19 2015 13:20 Breshke wrote:On August 19 2015 13:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 19 2015 12:41 Breshke wrote:On August 19 2015 12:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 19 2015 12:12 Breshke wrote:
I don't think ritoky actually RNG'd fidel He probably did. On August 19 2015 07:08 ritoky wrote:
Clearly what needs to happen this game is that we need to follow the most surefire way to lynch mafia and win games, and that is to follow the RNG lynch.
Here's how it works:
1) you will all follow me because i am better than you.
2) i will choose who we lynch every phase via RNG, then we will lynch him without question. the RNG will be determined by this post (the one you're reading right now). each post is assigned a unique id on team liquid which cannot be manipulated because of the rate of posts on TL; this makes it the perfect candidate for determining people via RNG. then from that post id i will use the following formula to determine whom is the candidate for lynch:
(sum of each individual digit in the post id [ex: 1111 = 4]) / 21 [number of players alive in game] * coefficient of the thread's stupidity
this formula will provide a number from 1 to 21, we will lynch the player it determines without hesitation or questioning. no possible explanation or reasoning could convince me that RNG lynching is in any way sub-optimal play. please bow before the RNG and watch it carry us to victory. I don't think so given this explanation I at first thought this was really scummy because if he was town why the fuck does he make this bullshit crap reason up to explain his "RNG" and not just be like yeah i used random.org But it makes sense in a world where he is trying to be BH and trying to be idk the word long winded? and he couldn't remember the way/couldnt be bothered doing it the way BH does it. So he is either a fucking shitter or scum Not to say his following read on fidel is bad but I don't wanna talk about that until fidel has been around some more Bh makes longish arguments backing his rng lynches all the time. Totally normal. That's why i was saying it makes sense if that is in fact what he was doing On August 19 2015 13:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 19 2015 12:50 Breshke wrote:On August 19 2015 12:46 JudgeJudy wrote:On August 19 2015 12:41 Breshke wrote:On August 19 2015 12:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 19 2015 12:12 Breshke wrote:
I don't think ritoky actually RNG'd fidel He probably did. On August 19 2015 07:08 ritoky wrote:
Clearly what needs to happen this game is that we need to follow the most surefire way to lynch mafia and win games, and that is to follow the RNG lynch.
Here's how it works:
1) you will all follow me because i am better than you.
2) i will choose who we lynch every phase via RNG, then we will lynch him without question. the RNG will be determined by this post (the one you're reading right now). each post is assigned a unique id on team liquid which cannot be manipulated because of the rate of posts on TL; this makes it the perfect candidate for determining people via RNG. then from that post id i will use the following formula to determine whom is the candidate for lynch:
(sum of each individual digit in the post id [ex: 1111 = 4]) / 21 [number of players alive in game] * coefficient of the thread's stupidity
this formula will provide a number from 1 to 21, we will lynch the player it determines without hesitation or questioning. no possible explanation or reasoning could convince me that RNG lynching is in any way sub-optimal play. please bow before the RNG and watch it carry us to victory. I don't think so given this explanation That doesn't make sense. If you say he didn't RNG fidel, that would mean he had a reason to single out fidel. Fidel had no posts at the point where he claimed to have RNG'd him. So what would be the selection criteria? Are you saying he selected a weak player to go after or something? Your reasoning doesn't seem fluid/natural which is scummy. Explain to me how given this formula (sum of each individual digit in the post id [ex: 1111 = 4]) / 21 [number of players alive in game] * coefficient of the thread's stupidity ritoky can RNG a number between 1 and 21. When the "coefficient of the thread's stupidity" would have to be a number chosen by himself as he couldn't put fucking infinity into this becouse that wouldnt give him a number between 1 and 21. SO YES I AM SAYING HE LIED ABOUT HOW HE RNG'D OR HE SPECIFICALLY CHOSE FIDEL. Do i have a reason why he chose fidel? No. But from what he has said i don't see how he could have rng'd him. What do you fail to understand here Bh used the exact same algorithm or whatever in FF. Is FF fantasy football mafia? Because this is BH's explanation of his RNG lynch. For RNG, this post will be used for generating a random lynch. The # in the upper left corner can be right-clicked and used to access the absolute TL post # for this post. That number mod 9 is the random lynch. 1 =Oats, 2 = rayn, etc, all the way up to 8 = holyflare and 0 = sloosh.
The reason we use the absolute TL post number is that posts are constantly being made, so the number is truly random. We turn it into a number 1-14 by taking that number mod 14. What is mod? effectively, it's the remainder after division. For example. 13 mod 14 = 13. 14 mod 14 = 0. 18 mod 14 = 4. 19 mod 14 = 5. and so on.
Basically, this generates a random number 1 through 14. I am in favor of the random lynch (though am somewhat interested in a policy lynch today as well-- TL does not do this enough. I will start off by voting for the random lynched based on THIS POST.
This is not what ritoky did. The methods you have outlined here are clearly outdated and old fashioned. We have a database that compiles statistics and choosing not to compile those statistical tendencies into your RNG formula is very poor judgment, irresponsible, and poo pooing on those who work so hard to compile said statistics. Although it is a secret formula, I will share it with you. People are stupid when they lose, thus the coefficient of the thread's stupidity is: the inverse of the average of all players' winrates. or 1/[(sum of players winrates)/(total players)]. Plugging this value into the equation gives you 4.114, which I have rounded based on standard mathematical practices to 4. + Show Spoiler + It makes sense, it's cleaver and it fits with the overall theme of the game. Honestly this sounds a ton more likely than a scum!ritoky seeing Fidei's pregame post and deciding to push him with RNG. The fact of the matter is rit only claimed something more than RNG after Fidei entered the game, and did so in a fashion that made himself look bad. Thus I find myself still thinking the case rit made is fairly sexy, though I do question his math a bit. 30% is generouse and I find it pretty unlikely that we have more than 5 mafia, it is possible though to have 6 if there are roles to keep thing balanced. So real chance of a RNG lynch this game to hit mafia is somewhere between 25 and 30% To be fair I don't have any real strong scum reads atm. I think the case on Fidei outside of RNG is good. I have my own thinking telling me Damdred might be scum. Ruxx is super null with only a twinge of scum lean, mostly because I almost feel like he's hiding behind his role more than having fun with it but I can't really read ruxx for shit so idk. This one I hate myself for even thinking about + Show Spoiler +I told ruxx he was stupid for this, but geript really has been indirectly calling himself scum. Call it a projection read. . Other than that I just think it's weird LT says he wants to sheep HtS and Rels is really weird so far too. It's hard to tell where the role play begins and ends which is making this a interesting challenge to read people. For now I'm gunna sheep the RNG I guess. ##Vote: Fidei
Forgive me for summarising, but it looks like you basically say "Fidei is a self-confirmed bad player, PARTICULARLY in big games." You'll also note that in the only game we've played together that I participated in (Himalayas doesn't count) ritoky basically said "Fidei sucks, but could be noob town". But after establishing that, you then sheep his case on me anyway?
Ritoky's posts since my wot are much more like what I expect from town ritoky, fwiw.
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On August 20 2015 15:56 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 15:07 Tictock wrote:On August 20 2015 14:41 The Shining wrote:On August 20 2015 11:55 Fecalfeast wrote:On August 20 2015 11:19 The Shining wrote:On August 20 2015 11:15 geript wrote:
Really no one else is posting? This is some bs K maybe ur not so scummy ??? elaborate feels like he's genuinely frustrated that the game is slow and no one is talking. i dont think scum would care enough to make this post Except he posted that 3 hours after his last post, in the middle of conversation that other people were having and then doesn't post again for 2 hours. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=33#651I honestly don't get the reason for geripts post here. It's out of place, complains about "no one posting" but doesn't try to engage anyone who IS posting at the time. So if geript really was frustrated why does he complain about something that is clearly not true? Why doesn't he try and engadge people who are around at the time of that post. So on the surface saying "scum wouldn't care to make this post" sounds good, but when you look at that post in context it makes very little sense. Seems like a shitty reason to townread geript to me. Thing is that other players have complained about the meta of the game so far. When I did it, I followed up with a big post with reads etc. Geript didn't exactly post a WoT, but he has been giving reads, appearing to think critically etc. But what about Kelsier? Pretty much all he has said are throwaway remarks about the bad meta of the game. And he always have these without looking to engage anyone. So if you're not also scum reading him as well, that's a double standard.
KSC, Obi, and Yamato look like they are just being themselves to me, they kinda just don't give a shit.
I haven't really played much with them (and never with yamato) but from what I've seen of them in other games this is pretty par for the course.
Obi is actually a slight town read for me currently, he has made a few pokes and prods. As scum I'd describe him as "just along for the ride", in this game I feel like he's a little engadged, sorta? Idk he is definitely someone to keep an eye on though.
Humm actually KSC does seem to be a little more throwaway this game than I'd like... I'll reread him a bit later. I can't recall if it was him or someone else I suspected of rolling Palmar.
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On August 20 2015 16:19 Fidei86 wrote:
Ritoky's posts since my wot are much more like what I expect from town ritoky, fwiw.
This, plus what I said about the RNG stuff being more likely to come from town!ritoky paradying than scum!ritoky hiding and tunneling, is why I'm feel ok sheeping his case atm.
Since you are around, and because I'm wavering atm (haven't even actually voted) who would you vote today?
Who do you think is your strongest scumread atm Fidei? and why?
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