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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
September 05 2015 13:57 GMT
#4381
mafia is so much fun if people talk about you

-Kushmasta-
I had a good night of sleep.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 05 2015 14:28 GMT
#4382
You are Chezinu Isunizehc, leader of the house of brown. You are the most famous player on Teamliquid mafia. You recently tried to spread the brown to other sites but you always knew TL is the best and most important site. If only people could understand your genius.

- Hide Spoiler -


House of Chezinu


Weclome to the House of Chez! There are many schools of thought on how one must play the game of mafia. This thread will serve to establish the school of thought founded by Chezinu Isunizehc. Here one may post questions or scenarios to understand how the school would approach or solve a problem.
Below I will summarize building blocks that this school of thought is built upon. As the topic is discussed, the content will be updated and modified for clarity
+ Show Spoiler +

I. The Unreadable Persona

The importance of creating an unreadable persona is to protect your character from getting killed early game by people who can see right through you. If you live longer, you have more time to read other players and strategize.

II. Reaction Reading

The school’s primary methods of discovering a player’s role is through reaction reading. The most efficient technique is through private messaging where you can loosen the guard of your victim. You do this in fun. You start to make jokes and troll around to not only prevent the victim from reading you but to also cause their guard to be lowered. If they think you are just having a grand ole time, they will not be working hard to cover their face. That is when you ask strange and seemingly unrelated questions to get a read. There are many factors to consider when analyzing their reaction including their current mood, your relationship, thread events, and their mind. If private messages are not allowed, you will have to cause chaos in the thread in order to read this. This strategy may cause some dislike which will have to be combated by entertainment, which will be discussed in detailed later. Creating a fantasy world that includes the current events of the game is a great way to attract certain players. If you create a world where you hire employees, mafia may apply for jobs to either get inside information or to pose as a resourceful townie. It gives them an opportunity to post something in the thread if they don’t have anything productive to say. Reaction reading is also a great time to scare the mafia through taunts by claiming you know their roles both publically and privately. Let them know, that you know even if you do not. Also, act confident and pretend you are protected by a medic. This fluff will save you.

III. Communicating Reads Unscathed

The best method is to communicate your reads to a player whom you think is town. This way they can convince town to lynch your targets without you talking heat from mafia or town. Plus, they will trust for being selected to receive your reads. If private messages are allowed, you can simply explain your reads clearly to the recipient. If you cannot message them privately, you will have to find alternative means by posting in the thread without alerting other players. Encryption, code words, stories, stereograms, and riddles are of the most useful methods to portray one's reads without bringing too much attention to oneself (just make sure the recipient can understand the content of these messages). The attention these techniques will bring will be focused on your character and personality. Most people will just ignore the content of your posts and call the useless. However, whether one should use these techniques depends on the atmosphere of the game, which brings us to the next point.

IV. Dynamics of the Game

The game is always changing. The same strategy may not work twice. One must be flexible enough to adjust behavior in order to survive the maximum length of days. Studying the behavior of the players both in and out of the game is of utmost importance. You must monitor the atmosphere of the game to make sure your actions do not break the boundaries of the players or the host.

V. Relationships

Building great relationships with other players will further your lifespan. For it is easier to lynch a stranger than those closest to you. Be sure not to come across as a flatter. Bad guys do that. Be honest. If you truly <3 someone, let them know. It is ok to let someone know if they make you sad. Be real. Don’t get angry. Only pretend to be angry if it is funny. Be humorous. If you are entertaining the crowd, they will not want to see you leave. For the sole purpose of playing the game initially for most players is to have fun. Be fun. If successful, not only will you live longer, but the atmosphere of the game will change for the better (see point IV). Forming relationship will also help you enjoy your time during breaks when you are isolated in your room with no one to talk to. If you find yourself bored and lonely, you can create a thread like this (or interact in one) in order to prepare for your next upcoming game. For you know that when you leave, the threads will die and be bored without your entertainment.

VI. Loop-hole Galore

Once the game has started, it is good to read your role or the op at some point. When one does this is up to their own discretion. When looking at roles or the op, try to find loop holes. Strategies the host does not expect. You may find some powers that you can exploit. When in a crisis, always double check your roles and rules of the game to ensure there is a way out. You may find an unexpected role that can bus you out of a situation or find that you have an unlimited amount of ammo. However, the success of this method depends on the host (point IV). If your host is a rule follower, you will get bussed and be saved. If you host is a spirit follower, you may find yourself out of bullets. You must use caution and not let your creative mind bring you too much hope in a deadly hour.

VII. Style before Victory

Winning is not always easy. Winning with style is harder yet. Before you win a game, you must ask yourself. How do I want to win this? You want to be remembered for the fun you bring to the games and the style in which you win them. Winning the game as lurker is no fun at all, especially when you are mafia. Most of town will not remember that it was you who caused their demise, unless you send them the right message such as spelling GOSU with your night kills and sniping all of the blues roles. However, you must not limit your style to secrets. The reward of winning tastes so much better if you fool the town as one of the most active members. Be creative. Create your own theme if appropriate (point IV) or latch on to another’s, they will appreciate the addition to their fantasy (point V).





You are a third party survior. Just make it to the end of the game I mean really who wants to kill chez anyway?

this is the role pm I got. I don't see anywhere in it that said I couldn't claim I might of overlooked it but...
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
September 05 2015 15:31 GMT
#4383
On September 05 2015 16:05 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2015 05:26 Onegu wrote:
Disclaimer Part 1: This game is not meant to be played super serious. I will do my best with the balance team to make it balanced. That being said I am trying to theme it well more than balance it well. I would enjoy it if you guys played serious but played to enjoy yourselves more.

Disclaimer Part 2: If you have been a active player in the last 2 years there is a high probability you will be a role in this game. If you dont like it I dont really care I am onegu and you all love me and I am sure will forgive me. If you have a really big problem that you might be a role in this game PM me and I might take you out as a role.

Disclaimer Part 3: This will be a completely closed setup. Nothing will be notified unless absolutely necessary.

Disclaimer Part 4: This is a Onegu hosted game. Expect a hiccup hosting wise, because I am Onegu. Dont bitch about it if/when it happens. I will modkill you so hard ask Koshi. This being said I will do my best to make sure there are no hiccups but no promises.



While I'm paying attention to all of your complaints, geript, they're venturing into the realm of my no longer being able to determine what the purpose is. Please keep your comments constructive.

(I did double-check Damdred's role to verify that it was in his role pm that he couldn't claim. It was. Whether or not that made it into the actual pm that was sent I can't verify. Nevertheless, mistakes aside, I fail to see what complaining about it now accomplishes?)

The fact of the matter is that Onegu is known for treating 3p roles this way. And you knew from the start that this was a closed setup. I'm sure he's aware that you don't agree with how he balances 3p survivors. It's probably time to move on.

One of these days i just need to write a thing about how to properly host. I hate losing, but nothing is worse than when there are specific things that hosts do that ruin a game. I mean, I don't think it's anything but common sense on how to run a game yet there's a history of people making pretty major mistakes as host. I'd just like to see people actually learn from their mistakes.

For themed games, it's definitely much tougher because balancing is exceptionally hard.

TBH, I don't claim to be the best host ever. My mini PYP was horrifically balanced. In one of my first games as host, I forgot to set an alarm for a deadline and overslept it (was exhausted from school/work).

But the basic rules of hosting a really simple:
1. Keep your OP updated with who's alive/dead, filters, flips and important posts.
2. Make sure that your rules are clear. In themed games this may mean that you just need to note that rules may be abnormal.
3. Don't be afraid to modkill people. In general, it's better to err on the side of modkilling than not.
4. Be around (or have your cohost around) to be there for flips/etc.
5. Any non-standard stuff (roles, rules, alignment, wincons) should be noted in OP.
6. Don't interact with players/ limit interaction with players. Mod confirming is a real thing.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
September 05 2015 15:33 GMT
#4384
3 is moronic
I had a good night of sleep.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
September 05 2015 16:07 GMT
#4385
it is a bit
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 05 2015 16:25 GMT
#4386
geript do you wanna host xfire with me?
table for two on a tv tray
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
September 05 2015 16:26 GMT
#4387
surprised there wasnt a role about me as one of the more obvious polarizing/easy to make fun of players
I come in for the scraps
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 05 2015 16:43 GMT
#4388
On September 05 2015 22:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
I still think I hold the record for most ridiculous game to balance.

idk if you mean the League of Legends PYP but if you do i think you did a hell of a good job with that game.
table for two on a tv tray
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-05 16:55:08
September 05 2015 16:52 GMT
#4389
#3 is somewhat subjective depending on the offence, but otherwise, the rest of the list is spot on.

Missing deadlines, barring last-minute emergencies, I think part of that solution is also finding co-hosts with similar or compatible schedules and I usually tell newer cohosts to sort out or flesh out general availability before starting a game, if we know there's a day of the week or a certain time coverage is going to be sparse, you either adjust EoD before the games or find a third co-host if you don't have one. 11th hour emergency, get someone entirely neutral to stand in.

I know there are more complicated mechanics beyond 3p roles (like vote rigging or redirects, or such) where if there's some guidance on balancing non-traditional mechanics it would greatly help some of those newer to running themed games or even playing in them as I saw several of the newer players in this game try and grasp those things. Most conventional like RBs/KP/inv checks are fairly easy to work with, it's just the stuff that is considered different.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
September 05 2015 16:53 GMT
#4390
On September 06 2015 01:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript do you wanna host xfire with me?

maybe, I've got a few job interviews coming up so idk when my free time will be
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 05 2015 17:02 GMT
#4391
On September 06 2015 01:53 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2015 01:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript do you wanna host xfire with me?

maybe, I've got a few job interviews coming up so idk when my free time will be

now my problem is i cannot host because i have not hosted here, i don't really need a "co-host" (though it would be a help anyways).

So basically i don't even care if you do aything at all. i can handle the hosting myself, i just am not allowed to host, which is dumb.
table for two on a tv tray
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
September 05 2015 17:17 GMT
#4392
On September 05 2015 23:28 Damdred wrote:
You are Chezinu Isunizehc, leader of the house of brown. You are the most famous player on Teamliquid mafia. You recently tried to spread the brown to other sites but you always knew TL is the best and most important site. If only people could understand your genius.

- Hide Spoiler -


House of Chezinu


Weclome to the House of Chez! There are many schools of thought on how one must play the game of mafia. This thread will serve to establish the school of thought founded by Chezinu Isunizehc. Here one may post questions or scenarios to understand how the school would approach or solve a problem.
Below I will summarize building blocks that this school of thought is built upon. As the topic is discussed, the content will be updated and modified for clarity
+ Show Spoiler +

I. The Unreadable Persona

The importance of creating an unreadable persona is to protect your character from getting killed early game by people who can see right through you. If you live longer, you have more time to read other players and strategize.

II. Reaction Reading

The school’s primary methods of discovering a player’s role is through reaction reading. The most efficient technique is through private messaging where you can loosen the guard of your victim. You do this in fun. You start to make jokes and troll around to not only prevent the victim from reading you but to also cause their guard to be lowered. If they think you are just having a grand ole time, they will not be working hard to cover their face. That is when you ask strange and seemingly unrelated questions to get a read. There are many factors to consider when analyzing their reaction including their current mood, your relationship, thread events, and their mind. If private messages are not allowed, you will have to cause chaos in the thread in order to read this. This strategy may cause some dislike which will have to be combated by entertainment, which will be discussed in detailed later. Creating a fantasy world that includes the current events of the game is a great way to attract certain players. If you create a world where you hire employees, mafia may apply for jobs to either get inside information or to pose as a resourceful townie. It gives them an opportunity to post something in the thread if they don’t have anything productive to say. Reaction reading is also a great time to scare the mafia through taunts by claiming you know their roles both publically and privately. Let them know, that you know even if you do not. Also, act confident and pretend you are protected by a medic. This fluff will save you.

III. Communicating Reads Unscathed

The best method is to communicate your reads to a player whom you think is town. This way they can convince town to lynch your targets without you talking heat from mafia or town. Plus, they will trust for being selected to receive your reads. If private messages are allowed, you can simply explain your reads clearly to the recipient. If you cannot message them privately, you will have to find alternative means by posting in the thread without alerting other players. Encryption, code words, stories, stereograms, and riddles are of the most useful methods to portray one's reads without bringing too much attention to oneself (just make sure the recipient can understand the content of these messages). The attention these techniques will bring will be focused on your character and personality. Most people will just ignore the content of your posts and call the useless. However, whether one should use these techniques depends on the atmosphere of the game, which brings us to the next point.

IV. Dynamics of the Game

The game is always changing. The same strategy may not work twice. One must be flexible enough to adjust behavior in order to survive the maximum length of days. Studying the behavior of the players both in and out of the game is of utmost importance. You must monitor the atmosphere of the game to make sure your actions do not break the boundaries of the players or the host.

V. Relationships

Building great relationships with other players will further your lifespan. For it is easier to lynch a stranger than those closest to you. Be sure not to come across as a flatter. Bad guys do that. Be honest. If you truly <3 someone, let them know. It is ok to let someone know if they make you sad. Be real. Don’t get angry. Only pretend to be angry if it is funny. Be humorous. If you are entertaining the crowd, they will not want to see you leave. For the sole purpose of playing the game initially for most players is to have fun. Be fun. If successful, not only will you live longer, but the atmosphere of the game will change for the better (see point IV). Forming relationship will also help you enjoy your time during breaks when you are isolated in your room with no one to talk to. If you find yourself bored and lonely, you can create a thread like this (or interact in one) in order to prepare for your next upcoming game. For you know that when you leave, the threads will die and be bored without your entertainment.

VI. Loop-hole Galore

Once the game has started, it is good to read your role or the op at some point. When one does this is up to their own discretion. When looking at roles or the op, try to find loop holes. Strategies the host does not expect. You may find some powers that you can exploit. When in a crisis, always double check your roles and rules of the game to ensure there is a way out. You may find an unexpected role that can bus you out of a situation or find that you have an unlimited amount of ammo. However, the success of this method depends on the host (point IV). If your host is a rule follower, you will get bussed and be saved. If you host is a spirit follower, you may find yourself out of bullets. You must use caution and not let your creative mind bring you too much hope in a deadly hour.

VII. Style before Victory

Winning is not always easy. Winning with style is harder yet. Before you win a game, you must ask yourself. How do I want to win this? You want to be remembered for the fun you bring to the games and the style in which you win them. Winning the game as lurker is no fun at all, especially when you are mafia. Most of town will not remember that it was you who caused their demise, unless you send them the right message such as spelling GOSU with your night kills and sniping all of the blues roles. However, you must not limit your style to secrets. The reward of winning tastes so much better if you fool the town as one of the most active members. Be creative. Create your own theme if appropriate (point IV) or latch on to another’s, they will appreciate the addition to their fantasy (point V).





You are a third party survior. Just make it to the end of the game I mean really who wants to kill chez anyway?

this is the role pm I got. I don't see anywhere in it that said I couldn't claim I might of overlooked it but...


ye that's altered slightly from what we had on the shared document but um...if that's what you got, that's what you got
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
September 05 2015 20:00 GMT
#4393
On September 06 2015 02:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2015 01:53 geript wrote:
On September 06 2015 01:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript do you wanna host xfire with me?

maybe, I've got a few job interviews coming up so idk when my free time will be

now my problem is i cannot host because i have not hosted here, i don't really need a "co-host" (though it would be a help anyways).

So basically i don't even care if you do aything at all. i can handle the hosting myself, i just am not allowed to host, which is dumb.

Sure
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 05 2015 23:28 GMT
#4394
On September 06 2015 05:00 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2015 02:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 06 2015 01:53 geript wrote:
On September 06 2015 01:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript do you wanna host xfire with me?

maybe, I've got a few job interviews coming up so idk when my free time will be

now my problem is i cannot host because i have not hosted here, i don't really need a "co-host" (though it would be a help anyways).

So basically i don't even care if you do aything at all. i can handle the hosting myself, i just am not allowed to host, which is dumb.

Sure

can you throw [M][T]Crossfire mafia into hosting queue?
Or do i need to run the setup with someone?
table for two on a tv tray
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
September 06 2015 02:26 GMT
#4395
You should be able to throw it in the queue. Run the setup by BH
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 06 2015 23:07 GMT
#4396
Just read the Obs QT. Looks like each KP was carried by a single Mafia. Also doesn't look like they thought much about who would carry. Damn.
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