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Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 05 2015 08:52 GMT
#4361
Sorry for throwing this game people. Ritoky is right, this is all on me.

Sigh.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
September 05 2015 10:47 GMT
#4362
On September 05 2015 13:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
basically geript is right.

Yes, entirely.

And no rsoultin, this is not ok or to be expected because Onegu did similar stuff before. Having done questionable/terrible hosting decidions in the past doesn't mean it is ok to repeat them.
He either fixes that or people will understandably start avoiding his games (at least if they are looking for a fair game).
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
September 05 2015 10:50 GMT
#4363
And slams role in aperture is entirely different (even though way too strong and imbalanced). Not only because everyone was aware about weird wincons but also because he could achieve his wincon without the game ending.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 05 2015 10:58 GMT
#4364
What a beautiful case from JudgeJudy on ritoky to come from mafia. Amazing
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
September 05 2015 13:05 GMT
#4365
Thanks for the game was cool.

Jj played really well.

Flavour was awesome, I had fun rp'ING. Must have been tough to host with all the roles etc but you both did a good job.

Wp mafia, Wp Damdred.

Zerg for Life
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
September 05 2015 13:10 GMT
#4366
On September 05 2015 16:23 ritoky wrote:
My personal thoughts on the game:

1) Fidei had black and white vision when the game is grey and that pretty much cost town a large portion of the game since he didn't understand the mechanics of the situation.

2) TT not claiming his role with over 1hr until EoD was a bad call.

3) I am fine with the way the game ended, even though there were multiple potential outcomes on the final day. There is something to be said about the lack of knowledge town had about random wincons though.

4) I think the game, while it played out well ended up kinda imbalanced. 2 MLs and 3 correct lynches -> mylo seems quite punishing for town from an objective pov. But not really imbalanced enough to throw a stink about, it was a funsies game with all roles, it was bound to be unfavorable to 1 alignment.

5) I kinda agree with geript's last point. If the intention was to make the survivor unclaimable, it was either not stated or not enforced as it was claimed repeatedly.


Yes. I haven't really had the opportunity to balance a large themed game of this nature (in this case it was mostly Onegu, and he's certainly better qualified for it than I am) but I have noticed that at least since I started playing, that's probably one of the trickiest parts. There was a lot of town KP available, really, but I haven't actually played with the possibilities in this particular setup enough to know if that really is enough for balance, particularly given how swingy town KP can be.

The way I thought of it in the one large themed game I did on another site was to run a "perfect" mafia game against a "perfect" town game, and try to balance it so that a perfect game by either faction ended on the same day. I'm not sure if that's the best way to balance, though.

Does anyone who has been hosting here a lot longer have any insight into that?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
September 05 2015 13:12 GMT
#4367
On September 05 2015 22:10 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2015 16:23 ritoky wrote:
My personal thoughts on the game:

1) Fidei had black and white vision when the game is grey and that pretty much cost town a large portion of the game since he didn't understand the mechanics of the situation.

2) TT not claiming his role with over 1hr until EoD was a bad call.

3) I am fine with the way the game ended, even though there were multiple potential outcomes on the final day. There is something to be said about the lack of knowledge town had about random wincons though.

4) I think the game, while it played out well ended up kinda imbalanced. 2 MLs and 3 correct lynches -> mylo seems quite punishing for town from an objective pov. But not really imbalanced enough to throw a stink about, it was a funsies game with all roles, it was bound to be unfavorable to 1 alignment.

5) I kinda agree with geript's last point. If the intention was to make the survivor unclaimable, it was either not stated or not enforced as it was claimed repeatedly.


Yes. I haven't really had the opportunity to balance a large themed game of this nature (in this case it was mostly Onegu, and he's certainly better qualified for it than I am) but I have noticed that at least since I started playing, that's probably one of the trickiest parts. There was a lot of town KP available, really, but I haven't actually played with the possibilities in this particular setup enough to know if that really is enough for balance, particularly given how swingy town KP can be.

The way I thought of it in the one large themed game I did on another site was to run a "perfect" mafia game against a "perfect" town game, and try to balance it so that a perfect game by either faction ended on the same day. I'm not sure if that's the best way to balance, though.

Does anyone who has been hosting here a lot longer have any insight into that?

That's really hard. Themed games will always be swingy. Like aperture 4 was way more imbalanced in the end than this and Greymist is probably the most experienced themed game host we have.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
September 05 2015 13:20 GMT
#4368
On September 05 2015 22:12 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2015 22:10 rsoultin wrote:
On September 05 2015 16:23 ritoky wrote:
My personal thoughts on the game:

1) Fidei had black and white vision when the game is grey and that pretty much cost town a large portion of the game since he didn't understand the mechanics of the situation.

2) TT not claiming his role with over 1hr until EoD was a bad call.

3) I am fine with the way the game ended, even though there were multiple potential outcomes on the final day. There is something to be said about the lack of knowledge town had about random wincons though.

4) I think the game, while it played out well ended up kinda imbalanced. 2 MLs and 3 correct lynches -> mylo seems quite punishing for town from an objective pov. But not really imbalanced enough to throw a stink about, it was a funsies game with all roles, it was bound to be unfavorable to 1 alignment.

5) I kinda agree with geript's last point. If the intention was to make the survivor unclaimable, it was either not stated or not enforced as it was claimed repeatedly.


Yes. I haven't really had the opportunity to balance a large themed game of this nature (in this case it was mostly Onegu, and he's certainly better qualified for it than I am) but I have noticed that at least since I started playing, that's probably one of the trickiest parts. There was a lot of town KP available, really, but I haven't actually played with the possibilities in this particular setup enough to know if that really is enough for balance, particularly given how swingy town KP can be.

The way I thought of it in the one large themed game I did on another site was to run a "perfect" mafia game against a "perfect" town game, and try to balance it so that a perfect game by either faction ended on the same day. I'm not sure if that's the best way to balance, though.

Does anyone who has been hosting here a lot longer have any insight into that?

That's really hard. Themed games will always be swingy. Like aperture 4 was way more imbalanced in the end than this and Greymist is probably the most experienced themed game host we have.


Hm Well, lol, at some point in the probably distant future I'll have to make one and use y'all as guineau pigs to try out some ideas I think ^^
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
September 05 2015 13:21 GMT
#4369
I still think I hold the record for most ridiculous game to balance.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
September 05 2015 13:24 GMT
#4370
On September 05 2015 22:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
I still think I hold the record for most ridiculous game to balance.

I don't know if it was really harder than aperture games. But you still did a good job - it was very close in the end.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
September 05 2015 13:46 GMT
#4371
Pretty much nailed my scumgame. Almost all one liners, some excuses, a decent amount of buddying, playing on emotions. Best 3:
On August 21 2015 06:01 Chezinu wrote:
I am not up for lynching ruXxar I think. Looked ok. Ballsy at multiple places. Could be town being honest.

I guess Chezinu is a bit less present as he is used to be. But we all should go back 6 months in time and give Chezinu till Day 3. When he is mafia it gets really obvious simply because within 3 days I somewhere bled town.

I would suggest to lynch somebody who seems to be doing something but really isn't doing anything.

^ nailed my scumgame fake post pretending to be meta town.

On August 21 2015 06:14 Chezinu wrote:
Man... I am pretty sure I have nailed the scumteam.

^ hilarious. But you needed to spam a couple times different scumteams before that.

On August 21 2015 06:48 Chezinu wrote:
BOYCOTT THE ****ING GAME

+1


Some other cool ones as well, at least 5-10 more typical Koshi phrases. lol. Probably was obvious after that initial Onegu rant lol. proof of Chezinu being awesome, 5 posts in a row 100% Koshi awesomeness:
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 19 2015 08:53 Chezinu wrote:
You know what, I just want to sheep the cool kids in this game.


On August 19 2015 08:55 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2015 08:53 Fecalfeast wrote:
On August 19 2015 08:49 Chezinu wrote:
ruXxar is mafia also.

agree

We can be bros.


On August 19 2015 08:57 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2015 08:54 Fecalfeast wrote:
On August 19 2015 08:53 Chezinu wrote:
You know what, I just want to sheep the cool kids in this game.

oh no you got me didn't you

I am sheeping you bro. Till I die. And beyond!


On August 19 2015 08:59 Chezinu wrote:
Btw Dam is mafia as well, he isnt funny enough with his damdred rule read.


On August 19 2015 09:01 Chezinu wrote:
Anyway, RNG lynch is now over. Please move votes away from Fidei86 = Thx.




I rated Chezinu 8/10 levels of Koshi
-1 for not bashing the biggest jokehost of all time.
-1 for saying Koshi is a peasant while he is the King of Kings.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
September 05 2015 13:47 GMT
#4372
Also Koshi getting lynched d4 as mafia is unlikely but i guess it is not Chezinu his fault people are terrible.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
September 05 2015 13:47 GMT
#4373
Last post was a joke.
I had a good night of sleep.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
September 05 2015 13:48 GMT
#4374
On September 05 2015 22:46 Koshi wrote:
Pretty much nailed my scumgame. Almost all one liners, some excuses, a decent amount of buddying, playing on emotions. Best 3:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2015 06:01 Chezinu wrote:
I am not up for lynching ruXxar I think. Looked ok. Ballsy at multiple places. Could be town being honest.

I guess Chezinu is a bit less present as he is used to be. But we all should go back 6 months in time and give Chezinu till Day 3. When he is mafia it gets really obvious simply because within 3 days I somewhere bled town.

I would suggest to lynch somebody who seems to be doing something but really isn't doing anything.

^ nailed my scumgame fake post pretending to be meta town.

Show nested quote +
On August 21 2015 06:14 Chezinu wrote:
Man... I am pretty sure I have nailed the scumteam.

^ hilarious. But you needed to spam a couple times different scumteams before that.

Show nested quote +
On August 21 2015 06:48 Chezinu wrote:
BOYCOTT THE ****ING GAME

+1


Some other cool ones as well, at least 5-10 more typical Koshi phrases. lol. Probably was obvious after that initial Onegu rant lol. proof of Chezinu being awesome, 5 posts in a row 100% Koshi awesomeness:
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 19 2015 08:53 Chezinu wrote:
You know what, I just want to sheep the cool kids in this game.


On August 19 2015 08:55 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2015 08:53 Fecalfeast wrote:
On August 19 2015 08:49 Chezinu wrote:
ruXxar is mafia also.

agree

We can be bros.


On August 19 2015 08:57 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2015 08:54 Fecalfeast wrote:
On August 19 2015 08:53 Chezinu wrote:
You know what, I just want to sheep the cool kids in this game.

oh no you got me didn't you

I am sheeping you bro. Till I die. And beyond!


On August 19 2015 08:59 Chezinu wrote:
Btw Dam is mafia as well, he isnt funny enough with his damdred rule read.


On August 19 2015 09:01 Chezinu wrote:
Anyway, RNG lynch is now over. Please move votes away from Fidei86 = Thx.




I rated Chezinu 8/10 levels of Koshi
-1 for not bashing the biggest jokehost of all time.
-1 for saying Koshi is a peasant while he is the King of Kings.

You realize he basically copypasted some of your stuff from Titanic 1 and sicilian (or whatever game that was)? ^^
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 05 2015 13:49 GMT
#4375
yeah it sounds like you, koshi, because literally every post he made for the first 2 cycles were your posts
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
September 05 2015 13:49 GMT
#4376
hehe
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 05 2015 13:49 GMT
#4377
essentially koshi is giving koshi 8/10 for being koshi
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
September 05 2015 13:50 GMT
#4378
That's rather disappointing for Koshi though :/ I'd have given Koshi a 10/10.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
September 05 2015 13:54 GMT
#4379
No marv, it is not because I said some things in a specific moment in Game A, that I would say the same things in a different moment in Game B. Like the "I nailed the scumteam" post.

And Koshi saying the host would give Koshi a shitty role because he is a douche is not 100% Koshi.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
September 05 2015 13:55 GMT
#4380
On September 05 2015 22:50 justanothertownie wrote:
That's rather disappointing for Koshi though :/ I'd have given Koshi a 10/10.

11/10
I had a good night of sleep.
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