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justanothertownie
16343 Posts
On February 18 2016 21:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: As you said yes, there is a difference. The notable difference is it is not punishable by the rules unless it's stated so.  I know. And I understand your angle here. But I don't agree that all rule violations should be punished equally. Whatever, I don't really care that much if he gets banned or not. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On February 18 2016 21:33 justanothertownie wrote: I know. And I understand your angle here. But I don't agree that all rule violations should be punished equally. I meant missing a mandatory action is here equal to missing a vote, which also in my opinion should result in a ban, always. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
1. If you have compulsive mafia shots, you as a host need to be prepared for mafia not submitting a shot. 2. If mafia fails to submit a shot, either RNG it or call it a mafia concession or modkill all living mafia, in descending order of how good of an idea these ideas are. RNGing it amongst non-mafia if mafia fail to submit is imo the best way if your setup requires mafia shoot every night. 3. It's important that whatever you do as a host is consistent and clear so players can play the game HtS has requested no ban for MoosyDoosy. MD has requested a ban for himself. I don't want to overstep any bounds here so I'd like HtS to change the request if appropriate. On Onegu: Onegu, you don't deserve any ban list action. You became ill and were unable to play. This is just a thing that happens and should not be punished. You will not be punished for something like that. | ||
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justanothertownie
16343 Posts
On February 19 2016 02:31 Blazinghand wrote: 2. If mafia fails to submit a shot, either RNG it or call it a mafia concession or modkill all living mafia, in descending order of how good of an idea these ideas are. RNGing it amongst non-mafia if mafia fail to submit is imo the best way if your setup requires mafia shoot every night. It still sucks but I agree that this is probably the best solution. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On February 16 2016 09:55 Half the Sky wrote: [N] Star Wars: The Mafia Awaken actions to be as follows: 1 Stutters695 has completed his one-game ban. 2 After discussion with others on a proper solution, MoosyDoosy, the mafia vigilante, was effectively modkilled for failure to submit a shot in a game that required the scumteam to shoot. I'm not placing in a recommendation for an actual ban, unless there was actual precedent for such by other moderators. Part of my issue here was that I've never encountered a situation where scum failed to submit a shot in a mandatory shot game, so if there's a proper reasoning where someone in the past was penalised for it, then that's the precendent I'll follow. One issue is that he did not post all night phase in thread or in mafia qt after his remaining teammate died. The instructions to concede were first given 2 cycles prior to this, when two of his teammates were alive, yet up for auto-lynch. It was to be expected to know to shoot and also to properly concede. Additionally, there has been some peripheral discussion of rulebreaking involved that I'll leave up to the experts to expand on if they wish. 3 Onegu replaced out day 2 due to illness, and so, no action necessary. #2 revised as follows: per modkill requirements, one game ban for failure to submit a mandatory shot. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On February 18 2016 20:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: So i repeat my question, what is the point of having rules in the game if breaking them does nothing? Exactly In fact it is inpossible to deter some behavior even when it does- therefore I am starting to think a stricter atmosphere is in order. Because people like me will always skirt it. On February 18 2016 21:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: I see your point. My point is that every rule the host puts in their game should be enforced, and the enforcement should be a modkill followed by at least a 1-game ban. Always. Warnings don't do anything, because otherwise the people who have not warned before are being treated differently under same circumstances -- in some situations breaking the rules actually becomes beneficial to your team, and if there is no punishment it's more likely to be abused. The line of punishments should be the same, regardless of games, or the rule that has been violated. One example, how can anyone justify yamato's one game ban for failing to vote is in any line with ~7 games after that where ~10 people have failed to vote? yamato's punishment is perfectly reasonable, people telling those other people "there there...next time just remember *pats on head*" is not. If you break the rules, or are incapable of reading them, then get your appropriate punishment or do not play at all. QED kudos rayn | ||
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
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Damdred
15669 Posts
That's just me I would perhaps say an activity ban would be ok so meh. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
On February 21 2016 15:35 Onegu wrote: Warning to lightningstrike for outing himself twice and getting mod killed. This warning is approved. On February 22 2016 02:11 Damdred wrote: I sorta think it's bad precedent to ban moosey here when he was probably going concede anyway. That's just me I would perhaps say an activity ban would be ok so meh. MoosyDoosy seemed eager to get banned and talked the host into it, so I'm going with their judgement on this. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
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nooniansoong
1538 Posts
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On February 23 2016 05:19 nooniansoong wrote: think of the wifom caused by an rng nk though... when the decision went down I was really confused, as someone who wants to understand a little more about hosting in general, I picked HTS' brain in the postgame as to why she made the decision she did - she said part of the reason she didn't want to RNG the NK when she discussed it with whoever she consulted was because of the host interference. She said that people would assume scum NKed someone when they really didn't thus creating misleading information for the town. And it wasn't at the time, fully clear in her OP, granted that's her fault and she's learnt from that. I know she's re-examined what she'll do in the future if she runs another game where mafia have to shoot, that said, IDK on the ban. I read the mafia qt and if I had to put myself in the shoes of one of the mafia, I'd be annoyed there was no communication or at least a change in strategy for Moosy or whoever agrees to go late-game and try and carry for scum. Now I know that's not a bannable offence, but posting during the night AND not submitting an action? That's negligent at best. I could understand if he'd afked for more than say 36 hours, but if I were a scummer, I'd feel that I might have just wasted my time if I was trying to advise someone to play after my death and then they just fucked off. IDK, just my opinion. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
In general, advice to hosts: Make it clear what happens in your games if scum fail to submit an NK. Either make it so no-shoot is allowed, or specify in the OP that the NK will be RNGed if none is submitted. As long as the rules are clear, things are fine. | ||
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justanothertownie
16343 Posts
On February 23 2016 05:19 nooniansoong wrote: think of the wifom caused by an rng nk though... As long as it is written in the OP that not submitting a shot leads to a rnged one I see no problem with this. | ||
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nooniansoong
1538 Posts
On February 23 2016 05:45 justanothertownie wrote: As long as it is written in the OP that not submitting a shot leads to a rnged one I see no problem with this. If there's one scum left, they will nk someone random to implicate an afk player. | ||
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justanothertownie
16343 Posts
On February 23 2016 06:12 nooniansoong wrote: If there's one scum left, they will nk someone random to implicate an afk player. So what? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
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