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Message Blazinghand if you request a ban please ^_^
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On March 04 2016 15:57 Blazinghand wrote:
The issue at stake isn't whether or not Breshke lost the game singlehandedly. If he broke the activity requirement by not posting and failing to vote and was modkilled for that, he gets the standard ban. If this caused town to lose the game, he doesn't get "extra" bans, Damdred. And Trfel, by the same token, he may not have singlehandedly lost the game, but if he did not vote and participate and was modkilled for that, he gets a standard inactivity ban.
If he was active and voted should not have been modkilled, or if there were extenuating circumstances, please let me know.
100% agree.
Breshke being blue does not have anything to do with activity or voting rules. Unless there is a rule that says "blues should claim if there is absolutely no reason not to", which there is not unless you distord the "play to win" rule very heavily.
Brehske being the last lynch before town loss does not have anything to do with activity or voting rules.
Let's see what rules Breshke broke.
4. Activity: It is required you make at least 2 posts per day+night cycle (72 hours), and ALSO meet the arbitrary activity requirement that exists entirely in my mind. Voting is mandatory. Failure to vote twice will result in a replacement or modkill.
So Breshke didn't post nor vote during the last cycle of the game. So he broke this activity rule of 2 posts per cycle + mandatory vote. Standard ban for that is apparently 1 ban.
BTW he seems to have disappeared completely so I gotta say I'm a little worried for him. =X
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
Huh, sounds like something may have happened to him IRL. when he comes back I will reach out to him.
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Breshke failed to vote in my game as well. Not pursuing any action as it seems it happened in two games at the same time. Other than that, no actions for WWTBAM Cell Mini Mafia.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
bumatlarge has requested a two game ban for his activity in Team Melee Mini Mafia VI: Newbies and Vets. Typically punishment would be a warning or 1 game ban, so I'm not sure what we usually do for self imposed bans. I'm fine with whatever.
I'll request a warning for damdred and nnn_thekushmountains. One was modkilled for posting game relevant information outside the thread and the other for attempting to confirm themselves by posting their coaching qt. Both claim they were honest mistakes, so I'll take their word for it.
Thanks.
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So let me get this straight.
Kush asked you if it was legal to post the qt
You told him it wasn't.
He still did.
It was an honest mistake?
What the fuck. He even stated himself that he didn't know if it was legal or not in the game. How on earth is that not a ban? This is far worse than any inactivity stuff.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
He claims that he misinterpreted my response, thinking only posting the link was illegal. He told me in PM that he honestly had no idea that it would get him modkilled.
If people think that he is lying and knowingly and maliciously broke the rules, then a ban is fine.
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On March 07 2016 02:49 kitaman27 wrote:
He claims that he misinterpreted my response, thinking only posting the link was illegal. He told me in PM that he honestly had no idea that it would get him modkilled.
If people think that he is lying and knowingly and maliciously broke the rules, then a ban is fine.
lol, sure.
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You just have to read the thread to see that he was well aware of possible consequences and still posted even more. Seriously.
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I once made a honest mistake of quoting someone else's exact words from another game. Noone in that game seemed to think they were in any way offensive and apparently i misinterpreted (i mean the quoted words were from someone who has made numerous contributions to the banlist thread aswell) i could say that because i got modkilled and a ban, even though i clearly clarified my words were not even what i actually thought.
But i guess this is different. It always is. 
Also Artanis i would like to ask you something:
In this setup, only the player that gets lynched is flipped. The other two players that were still alive in the setup are removed from the game without a flip. It is strictly prohibited that they give hints towards their allegiance after the flip has occurred if the player was town. A simple "gg" is all that is allowed. I will seek a ban if you break this rule.
Did you mean to interpret this rule only to non-lynched players in a cell or not?
Because if you didn't (and i am not really sure why would you) you should probably give ban to three people from your game.
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On March 07 2016 02:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:I once made a honest mistake of quoting someone else's exact words from another game. Noone in that game seemed to think they were in any way offensive and apparently i misinterpreted (i mean the quoted words were from someone who has made numerous contributions to the banlist thread aswell) i could say that because i got modkilled and a ban, even though i clearly clarified my words were not even what i actually thought. But i guess this is different. It always is.
I know what you are talking about and have absolutely no idea how this would be comparable to what kush did in any way shape or form at all.
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Talking about "honest mistakes" and "misinterpretations" and shit like that.
Fuck that shit, if you can't read your PM's then it's your fault. Learn to read. I don't even care if what kush says is true or not, the fact is he was told not to do something he did. It is that simple.
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On March 07 2016 03:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Talking about "honest mistakes" and "misinterpretations" and shit like that.
Fuck that shit, if you can't read your PM's then it's your fault. Learn to read. I don't even care if what kush says is true or not, the fact is he was told not to do something he did. It is that simple.
Ah, now I understand.
In my opinion kush should get at least a 2 game ban for this since he blatantly tried to break the game with a method he knew could break the rules and get him modkilled just because he wasn't able to prove his innocence otherwise.
In damdreds case a warning is totally fine but the kush stuff is worse than inactivity or voting failures and the punishment should reflect that.
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What i mean is every single time someone does something like this they can put up a sob story afterwards because i don't really believe anyone is just "idiotic" in that sense, that they just do/say shit that feels bad for other people / breaks the game / gets them modkilled they have logically thought out beforehand. Regardless of if that is the case or not the fact is the sob stories should not help. If there is a personal reason behind for example quitting the game then the least you should worry about is if you get a ban or not. You just inform the hosts of the situation and that is it.
I have once "had to" quit a game (replace out) because of what could be considered personal reasons and even then i asked the host if that is okay, because if it wasn't, i would keep on playing. It was okay, i got a ban after the game. Couldn't care less while i don't even agree with the decision since i made it very clear that if it is not okay i would keep playing.
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My blunder is really embarrassing, idk why I had both qts up at once and shape just had to almost post seconds after me.
It was super disheartening even if I was going to be lynched. I'll take a warning I'd of taken a ban as well.
Sorry again.
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I am not really sure about the Damdred thingy.
Like probably everyone who has played multiple games at once or has smurfed knows that the fuckup's like this are fairly common. Just because this happened to happen in an unfortunate situation (players who were alive being in the obs QT aswell) doesn't in my opinion make it any "worse" than for example a normal smurf outing would be.
I kinda think if you commit to play two games at once you should also commit to keep track of where you post (or with smurfing -- which account you post with) but meh... This has happened before and will happen again. I guess warning is fine.
EDIT: and there isn't really a rule for that sorta thing. If i hosted a game i would not either allow smurfs and/or make sure the smurfs will get a punishment if they post with any other account in the thread. I would encourage hosts to make rules on this too to keep people more sharp. If someone had told Damdred "hey, you are in multiple games and in multiple QT's. Make sure you don't post into wrong QT because if you happen to out your alignment in the hydra game your punishment will go beyond modkill" i am sure this would not have happened.
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On March 07 2016 03:19 justanothertownie wrote:
In my opinion kush should get at least a 2 game ban for this since he blatantly tried to break the game with a method he knew could break the rules and get him modkilled just because he wasn't able to prove his innocence otherwise.
I am not really sure why this would be a 2-game ban. I think this is equivalent to someone posting their role PM in thread. Sure if you wanna seek bigger bans for those sort of actions, but that is a talk for future and i don't think it applies here.
I think one game ban is fair and square.
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On March 07 2016 03:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2016 03:19 justanothertownie wrote:
In my opinion kush should get at least a 2 game ban for this since he blatantly tried to break the game with a method he knew could break the rules and get him modkilled just because he wasn't able to prove his innocence otherwise.
I am not really sure why this would be a 2-game ban. I think this is equivalent to someone posting their role PM in thread. Sure if you wanna seek bigger bans for those sort of actions, but that is a talk for future and i don't think it applies here. I think one game ban is fair and square.
I think there are several precedents were someone got banned for more than 1 game for similar stuff. That's not talk for future. If people really got 1 game for posting their role pm then something went wrong there.
This is close to someone getting themselves modkilled to not get mislynched or to help their team which in my experience nets you more than 1 game.
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On March 07 2016 04:08 justanothertownie wrote:
I think there are several precedents were someone got banned for more than 1 game for similar stuff. That's not talk for future. If people really got 1 game for posting their role pm then something went wrong there.
Are there? Well i know there is one, but that was 5 yrs ago. At least i got one game ban for posting my role PM.
This is close to someone getting themselves modkilled to not get mislynched or to help their team which in my experience nets you more than 1 game.
I agree but based on above, could you show some examples?
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The only examples i remember of something really similar to this is Blazinghand in that one LSB game (i am pretty sure he didn't get a ban at all since the game got cancelled on N1 or D2) and marv/geript QT issue from like 4 years ago and i think marv got 1-game ban and geript didn't get any (while the game ACTUALLY got broken by it).
In Blazinghand's case obviously someone tries to argue this: "The difference is intent. Blazinghand's was demonstrably not malicious. EDIT: To the best of my knowledge he was placed in an invidious position where Rayn insisted that Blazinghand would be confirmed scum if he didn't post the logs."
Isn't it funny?
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