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Message Blazinghand if you request a ban please ^_^
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On March 07 2016 04:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:The only examples i remember of something really similar to this is Blazinghand in that one LSB game (i am pretty sure he didn't get a ban at all since the game got cancelled on N1 or D2) and marv/geript QT issue from like 4 years ago and i think marv got 1-game ban and geript didn't get any (while the game ACTUALLY got broken by it). In Blazinghand's case obviously someone tries to argue this: "The difference is intent. Blazinghand's was demonstrably not malicious. EDIT: To the best of my knowledge he was placed in an invidious position where Rayn insisted that Blazinghand would be confirmed scum if he didn't post the logs."Isn't it funny? 
I am pretty sure there was something like that since then? Maybe Robik? Maybe I am wrong - I don't care enough to scan the whole banlist history for this. But the fact remains that this should definitely be more than 1 game. And there is no way in hell he should get away with a warning. That is just ridiculous.
You don't need to preach to me about the BH stuff. I don't disagree with you on any of this.
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I agree with you but i also agree with the fact that things should be treated with consistency. Until people wake up and see how fucked up the decisions nowadays are. Then you make a public announcement to the general rules of treating such issues. That's how it should work imo. I 100% agree with the fact that warning as a punishment is ridiculous.
I think in this case the punishment should be 1-game ban, because that's how it has gone before.
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Oh there is also the game where someone decided to out the scum QT in thread because THEY basically decided to concede and i didn't want to. 1-game ban for that too.
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I knew it was a dirty trick. I didn't care because I was mad and I thought the game was as good as over.
I did not think it was against the rules, and technically it wasn't.
Earlier in the game I had asked kita to specify the rules surrounding qts. He did so by saying you could not link to your qt.
Later Marv quotes the equivalent of a qt, a Facebook chat. I pointed this out. Nothing happened to Marv.
So I thought, okay it's technically legal.
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On March 07 2016 06:32 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
I knew it was a dirty trick. I didn't care because I was mad and I thought the game was as good as over.
I did not think it was against the rules, and technically it wasn't.
Earlier in the game I had asked kita to specify the rules surrounding qts. He did so by saying you could not link to your qt.
Later Marv quotes the equivalent of a qt, a Facebook chat. I pointed this out. Nothing happened to Marv.
So I thought, okay it's technically legal.
Even if we discount the fact that your claimed stupidity/ignorance does not make it ok you were told by multiple people that it was a bannable offense once you posted the first stuff and clearly noticed what's up. It did not stop you from posting more later.
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On March 07 2016 06:55 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2016 06:32 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
I knew it was a dirty trick. I didn't care because I was mad and I thought the game was as good as over.
I did not think it was against the rules, and technically it wasn't.
Earlier in the game I had asked kita to specify the rules surrounding qts. He did so by saying you could not link to your qt.
Later Marv quotes the equivalent of a qt, a Facebook chat. I pointed this out. Nothing happened to Marv.
So I thought, okay it's technically legal. Even if we discount the fact that your claimed stupidity/ignorance does not make it ok you were told by multiple people that it was a bannable offense once you posted the first stuff and clearly noticed what's up. It did not stop you from posting more later.
When it comes you rules you look to the op and the host, not to other players.
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And I'm not defending myself by claiming ignorance. It simply wasn't against the rules. I probably shouldn't have even been modkilled.
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Dude. You posted this in the thread:
On March 04 2016 03:33 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
can i do this or no lol
So you OBVIOUSLY were not convinced about being allowed to post this. You were berated by people for doing so and still quoted more stuff instead of clarifying with the host. You did not care if it was legal or not. Case closed.
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On March 07 2016 03:41 Damdred wrote:
My blunder is really embarrassing, idk why I had both qts up at once and shape just had to almost post seconds after me.
It was super disheartening even if I was going to be lynched. I'll take a warning I'd of taken a ban as well.
Sorry again.
I didn't even understand your post when i read it lol. I thought you accidentally typed a post for the forum in the qt.
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On March 07 2016 07:12 justanothertownie wrote:Dude. You posted this in the thread: So you OBVIOUSLY were not convinced about being allowed to post this. You were berated by people for doing so and still quoted more stuff instead of clarifying with the host. You did not care if it was legal or not. Case closed.
What I wasn't sure of is if kita was going to come back and make the action illegal.
I didn't care if what I was doing was going to be against the rules the future. At that moment it wasn't. Therefore what I did was perfectly legal, and what was going on in my head doesn't even matter.
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kitaman27
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heh you said "there should be a rule against showing the thread your qt".
I replied "yeah that's not allowed". 
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well it is obvious he meant sharing the link. But he knew deep down what he did was against the rules as well. But it wasn't written anywhere. I looked for it before he did it the second time.
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On March 07 2016 07:36 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2016 07:12 justanothertownie wrote:Dude. You posted this in the thread: On March 04 2016 03:33 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
can i do this or no lol So you OBVIOUSLY were not convinced about being allowed to post this. You were berated by people for doing so and still quoted more stuff instead of clarifying with the host. You did not care if it was legal or not. Case closed. What I wasn't sure of is if kita was going to come back and make the action illegal. I didn't care if what I was doing was going to be against the rules the future. At that moment it wasn't. Therefore what I did was perfectly legal, and what was going on in my head doesn't even matter.
You know that we used to give semi-permanent bans for this kind of stuff, right (see, for example, Attackzerg)? It isn't reasonable to expect the OP to include every possible situation. It sounds like Kita told you not to do it. That should be enough.
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On March 07 2016 09:27 kitaman27 wrote:heh you said "there should be a rule against showing the thread your qt". I replied "yeah that's not allowed".
Right, but how I worded it was very generic. So I thought kita thought I was only talking about linking to the qt. And my notion was reinforced by how he changed the OP to include linking the qt but not quoting it.
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On March 07 2016 01:51 kitaman27 wrote:
bumatlarge has requested a two game ban for his activity in Team Melee Mini Mafia VI: Newbies and Vets. Typically punishment would be a warning or 1 game ban, so I'm not sure what we usually do for self imposed bans. I'm fine with whatever.
I'll request a warning for damdred and nnn_thekushmountains. One was modkilled for posting game relevant information outside the thread and the other for attempting to confirm themselves by posting their coaching qt. Both claim they were honest mistakes, so I'll take their word for it.
Thanks.
I'm confirming this. I know I rolled mafia in both but I didn't really feel the same way I have about games in the past. I was getting called out for activity in a game with a no lynch in the first cycle. I thought that was odd, but I feel we've developed into a environment that frowns on people not posting. It's more content to use, but I wasn't lying when it can get fairly daunting for not just new people but older fogeys like myself, who don't want to spend more then an hour an evening reading a thread and developing thoughts. I might be alone in saying this is a game, and making it fairly strict on posting habits isn't fun. But it's the norm, and I feel like I've done something wrong.
I also feel like we are a little too shameless. I don't mind banter, but I don't often see people being apologetic when they are wrong. Pride seems to be the number 1 factor for a lot of people, so you see people go tooth-and-nail into each other and kind of brush it aside when something concrete comes forward. Mafia can get very personal too easily, and to say lying or trying to 'get a reaction' out of someone isn't a fair excuse if it makes someone relatively uncomfortable while supposedly playing a game. Games tend to feel more like courtroom then a forum thread, and I don't know if it was ever my cup of tea. I don't think I ever got real enjoyment out of actually playing the game for the purpose of deceiving or belittling others. I think I played to create situations that I thought were interesting or amusing, and I never felt good during or after a serious moment because other people relied on me. I genuinely felt sick to my stomach after having to go back and forth with vivax in that cell game where I was fairly certain I would be lynched a way, and I was just relived when it was over. I've never been one for confrontation, yet I have no idea how to avoid it in game I've played so much.
I'd like to see a fairly normal set-up with a catch being you have a limited number of posts each day. I think you would find it a fun change of pace. You would really have to think your posts and responses through, and I'm sure we would have some lengthy posts, but I think it would demonstrate my points that activity is just something we perceive as mandatory rather then just beneficial. I kinda rambled on things that might just bother me only, but I felt I need to explain myself. I forgot why I had stopped playing for over a year, and it's hard to put into words why.
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Oh yeah, the two game ban is mostly so I don't convince myself to play mafia if I'm not mentally prepared
also feel like I have much less reason to try to be entertaining. It was a nice little outlet for my poetic side, but I think it was viewed as "sub-optimal" as either alignment and didn't really contribute to the game. To those guys I see who keep the games fresh with their light-hearted sides, keep going!
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@bumatlarge
The meta has shifted significantly, that thing deters me from playing much or anything at all, but I like and understand your attitude. Though I don't think that you need two games to cool off - I believe you are a little too hard on yourself. I've been waiting for a classic Normal 25-player game for a tiny while now myself.
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kitaman27
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On March 07 2016 14:45 bumatlarge wrote:
I thought that was odd, but I feel we've developed into a environment that frowns on people not posting. It's more content to use, but I wasn't lying when it can get fairly daunting for not just new people but older fogeys like myself, who don't want to spend more then an hour an evening reading a thread and developing thoughts. I might be alone in saying this is a game, and making it fairly strict on posting habits isn't fun.
Yeah I definitely agree that games are more serious and competitive than they used to be. At times I missed when you could have 1-2 pages of filter a cycle and be perfectly fine activity wise. It's still possible to do, but you definitely get overshadowed by the individuals who are contributing to the game at a much larger pace. Maybe it's just nostalgia talking though.
Personally I think cell phones have had a pretty big impact on how the game is played. I know this certainly doesn't apply to everyone, but five years ago you would read the thread a couple times a day and post whenever you're around a computer. Now it seems like people are checking the thread more frequently and it's more common for multiple people to be present in the thread at once to converse.
Games being more competitive have their pros and cons and are going to attract different types of people. There seems to be a higher skill ceiling nowadays and in general people are putting in more effort. Unfortunately I know a portion of the player base has stopped playing because they can't keep up with the activity requirements or feel more pressured to perform well.
I'm not sure there is really a great solution to appease both types of players. It isn't really fair to tell a player that is putting in 5 hours a day and has a filter four times your size to "stop trying". They're doing their best to win the game and that's definitely admirable. Hosting the occasional "casual" games is a possibility, but our player base is half the size it used to be and I don't really think that would appeal to the majority of current players.
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You can play effectively and still keep a rather condensed filter, cell in my estimation was small to an extent considering who all was in it though so there is that as well. As for me I generally like keeping my filter 10% of the game length, it keeps me relatively involved but my filter doesn't get to bit (on day one). Padt that I just post what I think of you get into the games with spammiet people.
I read older games every now and again and I do agree in not sure if its good or bad the competitive nature of the game we have developed. Its true games get to angry sometimes and it seems we forget about it easily and I do disagree that it is about pride though, lots of us compartmentalized the game and never really have hurt feelings towards each other.
I'm rambling now of course but I want you to play more in a more normalized setup bum as cell and the newb game are way different.
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My 2 cents as a person who exited newbieville.
I differently a big filter person, though I am trying to work on it. In my 1st mafia, I wrote about 23% of the game. I think at the time of my death in cell, I wrote about 15-16% of the thread. In newbie about 14-13%.
But one of the things I have seen in almost all my games is some form of shit fight. Rels and Koshi in nut, Onegu/Eden or something along those lines in newbie XIX, Something about someone threatening to leave TL and i think a shit fight in Devil, and a yell fight in team.
Note I define shit fight as players who insult each other about non-game stuff OR people who fight eachother about a disagreement.
I kinda gotten use to it, which i guess is kinda of sad.
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