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Message Blazinghand if you request a ban please ^_^ Also when the game you're sitting out is over! | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25559 Posts
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
On February 16 2016 09:55 Half the Sky wrote: [N] Star Wars: The Mafia Awaken actions to be as follows: 1 Stutters695 has completed his one-game ban. 2 After discussion with others on a proper solution, MoosyDoosy, the mafia vigilante, was effectively modkilled for failure to submit a shot in a game that required the scumteam to shoot. I'm not placing in a recommendation for an actual ban, unless there was actual precedent for such by other moderators. Part of my issue here was that I've never encountered a situation where scum failed to submit a shot in a mandatory shot game, so if there's a proper reasoning where someone in the past was penalised for it, then that's the precendent I'll follow. One issue is that he did not post all night phase in thread or in mafia qt after his remaining teammate died. The instructions to concede were first given 2 cycles prior to this, when two of his teammates were alive, yet up for auto-lynch. It was to be expected to know to shoot and also to properly concede. Additionally, there has been some peripheral discussion of rulebreaking involved that I'll leave up to the experts to expand on if they wish. 3 Onegu replaced out day 2 due to illness, and so, no action necessary. I am of the opinion that I should be penalized for missing out an a mandatory action regardless of predecent for not. Sorry about the trouble I caused. Looks like I can't stay out of BH's banlist thread no matter what I do. XD Again, sorry. | ||
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
Yes I did have a unexpected hospital visit in there but there was more than that coming up that would have made me replace anyway | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On February 18 2016 12:13 MoosyDoosy wrote: I am of the opinion that I should be penalized for missing out an a mandatory action regardless of predecent for not. Sorry about the trouble I caused. Looks like I can't stay out of BH's banlist thread no matter what I do. XD Again, sorry. Really disagree. The rule "scum has to shoot every night" doesn't imply that you need to submit a shoot. I know i understood it as "if scum don't decide a shoot, it will be randomed". Rule was too vague to punish you for that, and AFAIK you didn't break any other rule. | ||
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justanothertownie
16325 Posts
On February 18 2016 19:36 Rels wrote: Really disagree. The rule "scum has to shoot every night" doesn't imply that you need to submit a shoot. I know i understood it as "if scum don't decide a shoot, it will be randomed". Rule was too vague to punish you for that, and AFAIK you didn't break any other rule. Sorry, but there is no possible way to interpret the rules like this. Of course mafia HAS TO submit a shot. Wtf? I don't think MD should get any banlist action - maybe a warning could be issued since he was modkilled but definitely not more. But this is some serious bullshit. | ||
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justanothertownie
16325 Posts
On February 18 2016 14:21 Onegu wrote: I should get a one game. I knew I had shit coming up and signed up anyway without thinking. Yes I did have a unexpected hospital visit in there but there was more than that coming up that would have made me replace anyway You got sick - you replaced out. That's how it supposed to be and you should not get a ban for something that theoretically could have happened in a parallel universe. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On February 18 2016 19:56 justanothertownie wrote: Sorry, but there is no possible way to interpret the rules like this. Of course mafia HAS TO submit a shot. Wtf? I don't think MD should get any banlist action - maybe a warning could be issued since he was modkilled but definitely not more. But this is some serious bullshit. That's really how I thought that rule was going to be enforced. And the fact that HTS didn't know what to do when Moosy didn't shoot (the game shouldn't continue without a mafia shoot since the rule states otherwise, but it did for a little bit) means the rule wasn't thought out enough. | ||
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justanothertownie
16325 Posts
On February 18 2016 20:00 Rels wrote: That's really how I thought that rule was going to be enforced. And the fact that HTS didn't know what to do when Moosy didn't shoot (the game shouldn't continue without a mafia shoot since the rule states otherwise, but it did for a little bit) means the rule wasn't thought out enough. It wasn't clear what was supposed to happen in case of a rule violation, yes. But that doesn't change anything about the fact that it was crystal clear that submitting a shot was mandatory. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On February 18 2016 20:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: What is the point of having rules in the game if breaking the rules doesn't do anything? Rules got applied and moosy was modkilled. The question here is the punishment. Maybe I'm biased cause I was somehow convinced shot was going to be randomed if not submitted. Maybe a warning is fine. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
don't really care if it's a ban or not. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On February 18 2016 20:30 Rels wrote: Rules got applied and moosy was modkilled. The question here is the punishment. Maybe I'm biased cause I was somehow convinced shot was going to be randomed if not submitted. Maybe a warning is fine. Yes, and in the rules it says: Modkills: This game follows the TL Mafia Ban List. If you are modkilled, your punishment will go beyond being eliminated from this game. Please refer to it for questions about your punishment. If you want to use this game to sit out your ban, please PM us and post in the Ban List. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12970 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On February 18 2016 20:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Mandatory shots are silly anyway. Scum should always be allowed to no shoot (except in certain themed games) imo. Ofc they are but that's not the point here. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12970 Posts
On February 18 2016 20:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ofc they are but that's not the point here. Sure, but if we're going to discuss rules that aren't being enforced we should be talking about things that happen every game rather than once every two years, like not voting. In fact, I think I may open up a discussion thread on that. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
The line of punishments should be the same, regardless of games, or the rule that has been violated. One example, how can anyone justify yamato's one game ban for failing to vote is in any line with ~7 games after that where ~10 people have failed to vote? yamato's punishment is perfectly reasonable, people telling those other people "there there...next time just remember *pats on head*" is not. If you break the rules, or are incapable of reading them, then get your appropriate punishment or do not play at all. | ||
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justanothertownie
16325 Posts
On February 18 2016 20:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Mandatory shots are silly anyway. Scum should always be allowed to no shoot (except in certain themed games) imo. Not as silly as allowing no lynch AND no shot. That's just stupid. The reason why I personally would not ban moosy is that a blue role who doesn't send in an action probably wouldn't be punished at all. | ||
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justanothertownie
16325 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On February 18 2016 21:22 justanothertownie wrote: The reason why I personally would not ban moosy is that a blue role who doesn't send in an action probably wouldn't be punished at all. As you said yes, there is a difference. The notable difference is it is not punishable by the rules unless it's stated so.  | ||
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