Newbie Student Mafia XI

On June 09 2015 09:34 Fake)Plants wrote:
/in

Definitely got reeled into mafia from The International hub games :p

EDIT: ah, seems like ruXxar is ahead of me

On June 11 2015 04:48 ritoky wrote:


1. You will automatically be assigned a coach if you are on the newbie section of the player signup. It is usually assigned based on alignment, but can vary based on how many coaches are available, meaning there will likely be a coach for those new players who roll mafia and the rest of the coaches will split for those who roll town.

2. In your role pm you get from the mod right before the game begins, there will be a link to a QT (quicktopic). It is a mini-forum thing that you will privately share with your coach (and the mod will spy on you to make sure no cheating). There you will be able to have full discussion with your coach.

On June 12 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:
Why don't you like it when people answer questions directed at others?

On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people.

On June 12 2015 07:41 Trfel wrote:
........

The "at least that is what I think" pushes it over the top. I could see it as a joke, but then there's no reason to include the last sentence. It's either inherently contradictory or unnecessarily cautious.

Scum lean.

On June 12 2015 07:41 Trfel wrote:
........

The "at least that is what I think" pushes it over the top. I could see it as a joke, but then there's no reason to include the last sentence. It's either inherently contradictory or unnecessarily cautious.

Scum lean.

On June 12 2015 07:50 Trfel wrote:
Wait....

So you are serious about your explanation for not answering a question directed at someone else, because it helps them answer the question if they are scum. But in saying this, you answered a question directed at someone else, your scum read?

This explanation is going to be good.

On June 12 2015 07:56 Trfel wrote:
Can you please clarify, why are you scumreading Kickstart?

On June 12 2015 08:13 batsnacks wrote:

I'm voting you because you did this:

On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:

I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great.

Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia?

On June 12 2015 08:19 Trfel wrote:
ruXxar

1. Answered a question directed to someone else, while explaining why answering questions directed at others hurts town
+ Show Spoiler +

2. The person he answered a question for is now his scumread
+ Show Spoiler +

RuXxar is being contradictory, cautious, and is showing a mindset that isn't towny at all. He's not interested in thinking about people's alignments.

Liers means if you say you are going to do something but don't when it comes to forum mafia. Also good job breaking one of my rules,

On June 12 2015 08:45 batsnacks wrote:
5. Don't lie.

On June 12 2015 08:46 n00bKing wrote:

You're right, putting pressure on people can be a good thing, to see how they react.

That's why you're wrong, it is not too early to vote.

On June 12 2015 11:41 Kickstart wrote:

You could be right, and as I said I usually do give players I don't know and new players the benefit of the doubt, but as I said the fact that he has done several things that I think are scummy and none that I deem towny is why I presented this and asked for peoples thought.
Also, the goal of town is not to protect themselves from a mafia nightkill. This doesn't matter in the slightest unless you are a blue role or something, and even then, the #1 goal of town should always be to show that they are town through their actions, and coming in a close second is helping to find scum. Sitting back and not being a target is literally the last thing you want to do as town because it makes it hard to read you, which is shit for town but good for scum because they already know your alignment while town doesn't.

On June 12 2015 11:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
^ Also Kickstart, I wouldn't read too much into ruXx's initial post where he's rambling about slapping/daydreaming about Mafia. It might have been from an attempt to identify himself as a non-aggressor to the Mafia so that when night time comes around, they don't kill him. If the game went on for longer, people would also suspect ruXx more giving the Mafia an easy kill. This actually happens a ton in real life Mafia but it's clear it's totally different online at this point.

Also, going back to his post where he "misses the interaction" which is right after his rambling, it's pretty clear that ruXx is not paying attention whatsoever. As a newbie he was probably just as excited as I was about remaining passive which is why he didn't notice the err in his post. Just the fact that it seems he has no idea whatsoever about what he's saying during his rambling just shows this too.

I'll look through the rest of your points, but I'll try and provide a "newbie perspective." Either way, it looks like he wised up real fast and stopped being as frantic and energetic in his posts.

On June 12 2015 11:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Yeah, the more I read of ruXx's initial posts, the more it seems he's thinking in terms of a real life Mafia game as well as tryharding a bit.

Him intercepting a question was him tryharding a basic read and him supporting lying is from a real life Mafia mindset since lying is much more common in real life.

The last two posts that you point out are kind of shady but even then they err on the side of newbie to online Mafia. Overall I wouldn't vote him just yet until we get more evidence.

On June 12 2015 22:39 n00bKing wrote:

I understand what you're saying. And trust me, if there were more people sounding suspicious to me, I would be talking about that. But so far, batsnacks is the only player that has more than one post that rubs me the wrong way. People like Moosy and FakePlants have only made one post apiece that struck me odd.

So I've been talking some about batsnacks, since that's who I'm voting against. But in the absence of other good targets, I thought it would be better to give some advice and defend some people, than to do nothing. If no one here has played the game with me before, you don't want me lurking. It's better to have me on the record with some opinions than not.

I defended non-newbies too. I was just concerned that in a Newbie game, a bandwagon on a bad lynch target could get rolling pretty easily, if no one points out flaws in the reasoning being used against that player. But okay, I will let people do more of their own work. Thanks for the "advice."

On June 12 2015 09:36 batsnacks wrote:
Through repetition of danger we grow accustomed to it. Water sets the example for the right conduct under such circumstances. It flows on and on, and merely fills up all the places through which it flows; it does not shrink from any dangerous spot nor from any plunge, and nothing can make it lose its own essential nature. It remains true to itself under all conditions. Thus likewise, if one is sincere when confronted with difficulties, the heart can penetrate the meaning of the situation. And once we have gained inner mastery of a problem, it will come about naturally that the action we take will succeed. In danger all that counts is really carrying out all that has to be done.

Properly used, danger can have an important meaning as a protective measure. Thus heaven has its perilous height protecting it against every attempt at invasion, and earth has its mountains and bodies of water, separating countries by their dangers. Thus also rulers make use of danger to protect themselves against attacks from without and against turmoil within.

On June 12 2015 08:42 batsnacks wrote:
I'm going to make a quick and easy how to play town guide:

1. don't claim your role
   
2. find exactly 1 person who you think is mafia
   
3. say why this 1 person is mafia
   
4. do not form reads based on unflipped associations e.g. player X AND player Y could be mafia together because Z.
   

On June 12 2015 22:32 batsnacks wrote:
>.>

Anyway... I don't feel like talking about this anymore. I changed my mind noobking you can find 2 scum reads. Keep your vote on me and find another another mafia.

On June 12 2015 22:54 batsnacks wrote:
I think I'm going to sheep geript now he was making sense about moose.

##unvote
##vote moosygoosy

On June 12 2015 21:25 batsnacks wrote:
I'm bored

On June 12 2015 14:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
Back from streaming

Town tier: Oats, Kickstart, Moosy
Blergh tier: Almost everybody
Scum tier: Geript, noobking

2 ez

On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote:
Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent.

So. What do you think of plants first and only post ?

On June 13 2015 01:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
And yes for the record noob has been upgraded from scum tier to 'meh' tier because I'm not sure I believe he as scum would be so ballsy to continue posting the way he has, though my fear of being wrong on newbies prevents me from bringing him higher just yet.

On June 13 2015 01:05 batsnacks wrote:


You didn't do anything. It's what your scum mates did, or rather didn't do (push you).

On June 12 2015 10:47 geript wrote:
Batsnacks weird post stuck out to me too. IDK what he's doing, pulling a chezinu? IDK. I couldn't figure out wtf he was trying to say. I'll look at it again later when I get a full read in, but his post was at least interesting even if it is probably NAI

On June 13 2015 16:47 n00bKing wrote:
Okay, one last post, then bed, and I'll see everyone in the morning.

What's the prevailing philosophy around here on whether (or when) Carl should roleclaim? Seems to me that if he remains hidden, there is all kinds of potential for disaster, and maybe even moreso in a Newbie game.

So does someone with that type of role usually roleclaim? If not, why not? And if so, is it usually done Day 1, or not until after Night 1 begins?

I can see some distinct advantages of him claiming during Day 1, instead of waiting for Night. If the claim goes uncountered (and comes from anyone that doesn't have a bunch of votes stacked up on them) then we have a largely confirmed Townie. Anyone who had previously voted against that player gets a small strike against them, for barking up the wrong tree. And Carl's vote in the batsnacks/Sulfurus debate takes on extra weight, because although Carl could still be incorrect, at least we could expect that he's not incorrect on purpose.

I feel like this topic should have probably been raised a while ago, but I kept waiting and waiting, to see who would bring it up, so that I could award them some Town Cred just for mentioning it. (Guess I have to give the Town Cred to myself now? w00t?)

Anyway, interested in hearing other opinions on this.

On June 13 2015 18:17 ruXxar wrote:


I disagree.

There are 3 Mafia and 2 town roles.
I believe that reducing kill power from 2 to 1 is the single most important factor in us winning the game.
This would buy us so much time that we should have overwhelming odds of winning.
The chance of targeting Carl is very low.

I'm ok with taking the odds of a power role checking Carl if it means we increase our chances of killing mafia.

On June 13 2015 18:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
Btw I'm pretty sure there's only one kp.

On June 12 2015 10:27 geript wrote:

people should be talking about this.

On June 13 2015 03:31 geript wrote:

Never assumed he was town to start w/ babycakes. Moreso:
1. Moosy makes a god awful post --> I think he's scum
2. No one pushes Moosy --> If he's town I'd expect someone to have jumped on him therefore scum
3. Posts a shit ton --> Probably just nubian with bad opening and mafia afk or otherwise engaged

On June 13 2015 05:29 geript wrote:

Did you look at this post at all?

He's commenting about things that don't really matter in a way that he's seemingly had some interesting thought on it. He asks a question that's essentially a statement. He meanders through potentially interesting topics while giving no opinion on anything. Then he plays the dumbtell card.

It's a big post that literally offers nothing while commenting on things in a way that confer a formed opinion. It almost can be boiled down to:
"I've been thinking about this game, but I won't really comment on it at all. What do you guys think about this random stuff?"
I don't see even newer town players do that often.

On June 13 2015 03:08 geript wrote:


This post is pretty bad.

On June 13 2015 05:12 geript wrote:

I'd rather lynch you.

On June 13 2015 06:03 Kickstart wrote:
Went through geript's filter. His move off moosy and onto sulfurus was weird to me. He just said "id rather lynch you" in this thread, then voted in the other thread, and hasn't mentioned it at all. strange.

On June 13 2015 23:08 batsnacks wrote:
Why am I the best lynch ruxxar? Think about this game from an the perspective of an outside observer who knows everyone's alignment.

Right now you think the best lynch for d1 is the person who cares the most about the game and has put in more effort than anyone else.

If I'm town than an outside observer is probably looking at you (and oats) and thinking "what the literal fuck are these people doing?"

Even if I'm mafia the same outside observer is thinking... "yeah bats is mafia but still... what the literal fuck are these people doing?"

How do you expect to win by lynching the person who put forth the most effort d1?

On June 12 2015 22:54 batsnacks wrote:
I think I'm going to sheep geript now he was making sense about moose.

##unvote
##vote moosygoosy

On June 13 2015 05:39 batsnacks wrote:
When is EOD? I need to know if I need to start picking it up to not get lynched or if I can afford to dick around some more.

On June 13 2015 06:01 batsnacks wrote:

The worst thing I can find that sulfurus has done was misrepresenting how I played last game which isn't even the worst thing ever because I mislynched sulfurus last game, so he could just have some personal bias.

I don't want to lynch geript d1 but if you do then the stuff wave said is probably the best means to accomplish that. I can't add anything new that he hasn't said already and that geript hasn't already responded to.

People in this game are being unreadable and it's making me be crazy. Like yes objectively I am playing poorly but I am suffering from this warped perspective that by playing poorly for a time I can learn more about a game that I would just frustrate me if I were playing well.

On June 13 2015 06:29 batsnacks wrote:


Oh yeah I forgot about that. All the people who were saying that you leaving the thread was scummy are wrong. I think wave was one of them; the other stuff he said was okay though.

On June 13 2015 07:05 batsnacks wrote:


They're not in any specific order and I made that list in like 30 seconds and yes I would lynch me I am one of the scummier players in the game, though historically I have only ever lynched myself as town so this is a point in my favor.

On June 13 2015 07:54 batsnacks wrote:


Wishy Washy very naughty.

On June 13 2015 08:02 batsnacks wrote:
K well I have the longest filter now and anyone who thinks mafia batsnacks has the biggest filter d1 is a silly goose and I don't mind getting lynched by silly geese because they can't be reasoned with anyway. So I'm going to go play dwarf fortress.

On June 13 2015 08:23 batsnacks wrote:


You don't have to believe this is my normal town meta because it's not, but you can't believe my scum meta is to post this much. I am a 1 page per day scum poster not a post more than anyone else scum poster.

On June 13 2015 09:27 batsnacks wrote:


I have gotten more done than almost the entire game combined, certainly more than you. You have... pushed easy lynch plants and responded to Trfel's case and... that's about all. If I wasn't posting so much the game would be <25% of the current length. Also why damdred? I wish damdred were posting he would tell you to stop voting me because it is literally impossible for me to play this way as mafia.

On June 13 2015 11:35 batsnacks wrote:
before I go to sleep though... 21% of this game is my posts! And I'm leading in votes! For SHAME!

On June 13 2015 21:51 batsnacks wrote:


That isn't a scum read. That is me being concerned that ruxxar and n00b are making mistakes that could cost town the game. They should have a dialog with me before the lynch because I'm town and I can convince them I'm town, or at the very least not the best lynch today.

Yes you are guilty of the same I should have included you too. I completely disagree that most of what I've posted is useless I think I have easily contributed more to this game than anyone else, certainly more than you since your biggest contribution is tunneling a town for 70%ish percent of the day all because you didn't like my opening.

On June 14 2015 03:34 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Why are you guys still going after batsnacks. Sure he was a shitty player at the start, but he's clearly a town player at this point. Unless you hold a grudge against him for his terrible start, I don't see why you would go after him.

On June 14 2015 03:50 n00bKing wrote:

Does knowing that there is only 1 mafia attack each Night change your position?

Also, where are you getting that there are "2 town roles?" I see absolutely nothing that would indicate there are 8 VTs and 2 non-Vanilla Town roles, if that is what you are saying.

On June 14 2015 04:03 n00bKing wrote:

Please try not to get mod-killed. The rules very clearly state that you are not allowed to make a post like that:

On February 20 2013 21:59 Acrofales wrote:
Newbie-specific stuff

1.It's already in the rules, but remember, no editing. If you feel you must correct your post, please make a second post to clarify your statements. You may put EBWOP ("Edit by way of post," a handy acronym invented by semioldguy) at the beginning of your post to indicate that you are clearing up a point you made. If your EBWOP post is several posts after your original, please quote your original post in your EBWOP post for the sake of clarity.

2. Only sign up if you know you will have the time available to properly play the game. It is essential that players remain active in a newbie game, so only /in if you are able to play to your fullest.

3. If there is any sort of issue, you are unsure about some mechanic, or you are just wondering if your devilish scheme is even allowed, feel free to PM me, or ask in-thread with green text. Don't feel shy; these games are meant to be a place to learn and be open.

4. Behave as gentlemen (or ladies). Things get heated here, but personal attacks will not be acceptable, and will be dealt with accordingly. Remember, this is a game; have fun and happy scumhunting!

5. Please do not talk about any ongoing games either in-game or pre-game. This can affect other games and is unacceptable. Please do not refer to outside-of- thread activity of players in this thread.

6. If you receive coaching, don't tell town about it.

7. glhf!

On June 14 2015 04:11 scott31337 wrote:


Why does this just scream "save sulfurus" for some reason to me?



I never knew I was in it. ?



Nice...

Is it because I'm voting for Sulfurus?



I am curious of this as well...



So I'm really not saying anything here, very nice political answer.

On June 14 2015 04:40 n00bKing wrote:

That's pretty interesting, considering you had just said this:

On June 14 2015 05:18 n00bKing wrote:

You're moving in the opposite direction of what would make sense, though. You assumed the Town had only Cop and Doctor. And said that once the Mafia was down to 1kp, it makes sense for Carl to claim.

Now, nevermind the fact that a discussion OF the Carl role ALREADY destroys your notion that the Town only has Cop and Doctor as its non-vanilla roles.

When you add in Dr. Weird and Frylock as additional Town roles that could be killed by Carl (both of which would kill Carl at the same time!) it becomes way MORE obvious that Carl needs to claim. Instead, when you thought about it more, you start to see a case for and against him claiming? That doesn't make any sense. Please make sense.

scum team - "Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday"
context: + Show Spoiler +

Roleblocker - Cybernectic Ghost of Christmas Past from the Future:
Every night, you may choose a player to roleblock, which will prevent them from performing actions and visits that night. The roleblocked player will be notified, even if s/he is vanilla. + Show Spoiler +

Rolecop -Happy Time Harry:
Every night you may choose a player to role check. You will get a result saying what role they have.+ Show Spoiler +

Godfather - Ignignokt the mooninite:
You return "town" to cop checks, as though you were a vanilla townie. + Show Spoiler +

Vigilante - rabbot:
Once per game, at night, you may select a player to kill. That player is shot overnight and dies at the start of the next day. If your target was also shot by mafia, or was protected by a doctor or veteran status, your bullet is lost. If you were roleblocked, you don't use your bullet and can try againt he next night. + Show Spoiler +

Goon - plutionian (Emory and Ogelthorpe) + Show Spoiler +

Town
Mad Hatter - Dr. Weird:
You have 1 bomb. At night you can place that bomb on another player, or move the bomb. When you die, the bomb blows up killing them. If your target is lynched, your bomb is lost. If your target is shot, the bomb is returned to you. You win with the town.+ Show Spoiler +

Cop - Allen (Alien):
Each night phase, you may choose a player to investigate. You will visit the player and receive "Town" or "Anti-town" as a result. Your results are guaranteed to be accurate. You win with the town. + Show Spoiler +

Veteran - Master Shake:
You have a bulletproof vest that can absorb one bullet. This means you need to be shot twice in order to die: once to destroy the vest, once to kill you. If you are roleblocked, however, your bulletproof vest doesn't work that night. You win with the town. + Show Spoiler +

Vigilante - frylock:
Once per game, at night, you may select a player to kill. That player is shot overnight and dies at the start of the next day. If your target was also shot by mafia, or was protected by a doctor or veteran status, your bullet is lost. If you were roleblocked, you don't use your bullet and can try againt he next night. You win with the town.
+ Show Spoiler +

Paranoid Gun Owner - Carl:
The Paranoid Gun Owner passively (and involuntarily) kills anyone who targets it during the Night. You win with town.+ Show Spoiler +

Doctor - Neil:
Every night, you may choose a player other than yourself to protect. You will visit the player, and if the mafia attempt to kill a player you are protecting on the same night, the kill will fail. Neither you nor the target will be notified if you prevent a kill. You win with the town. + Show Spoiler +

VT - Meatwad piece + Show Spoiler +

On June 14 2015 05:38 n00bKing wrote:

It's the first one. There are 3 mafia, who can have any of those 5 roles. It looks to me like 2 mafia could even have the same 1 of those 5 roles, weird as that sounds.

On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:


You don't understand. geript just claimed mafia.

Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels:
+ Show Spoiler +

Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels:
+ Show Spoiler +

Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing:
+ Show Spoiler +

Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels:
+ Show Spoiler +

On June 14 2015 06:13 geript wrote:
Oh and BTW. Vigilante. Shoot Batsnacks tonight. You'll realize why once I flip. In the least, you should to it to raise the overall intelligence level.

Like I'm literally done playing mafia here. It's fucking stupid. Every time I role mafia, people have no clue how to read me and I wreck face. Every time I role town the stupids think something I've said actually makes me mafia. It gets more fucking ridiculous each and every time.

On June 14 2015 06:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Even if he is a townie, it shows he wasn't a role with this post. He clearly wasn't vigilante and I doubt that he was doctor.

On June 14 2015 06:25 ruXxar wrote:


I also doubt it, but I'm just saying that if he wants to have any chance to recover from this blow he needs to provide some really convincing evidence.

We also have to think about the implication of geript being mafia.
It means that now rels would actually be confirmed town and yet there were strong accusations against him not too long ago.
This means that his play so far has been his standard townplay, and all the cues we used to read him as mafia for are useless.

On June 13 2015 05:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Sulfurus looks easiest if you want to make a case. geript might pass but idk. They both have 1 vote so you just need to persuade 2 more. tbh, I'm deciding between either Sulfurus or geript so help me out by making a case.

On June 14 2015 05:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Do you seriously not think geript is Mafia at this point?

On June 14 2015 06:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:

That's a lot of assumptions about what geript is thinking which he can only explain. His initial reaction afterwards leads us to believe it was a slip on his part and that the above wasn't what he was thinking. He said it was one of his dumbest posts ever which leads us to believe that he did still think that Rels + Sulfurus was scum at that moment and he contradicted himself there. So getrip kinda just killed your argument there by himself.

On June 14 2015 06:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I think the better thing to discuss in terms of roles now that we're all voting for geript is finding who the doctors should save for night time.

On June 15 2015 00:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Alright ruXxar, let's dance this dance of death.

1. Pulling the noob card
I mean, what can I say? This is completely my fault for not reading things correctly and I realize it more than anyone else. However, if you look at the posts I make cluelessly, you can see that I'm still genuinely attempting to help.
- When I bring up the possibility of 2 Mafia, I'm trying to expand our thought process in case there is more than 1 Mafia. After all, it's a terrible idea to have a confined mindset. Also, a nitpick with this point of yours. If you say that me suggesting there's 2 Mafia is "inexcusable" that's more of an accusation of bad play and not scum-oriented behavior.
- geript flipped as town. Okay, try and follow me here. IF we didn't know that geript was flipped, then my thought process was clear here. IF geript was a Mafia, then his two suspects in Sulfurus and Rels can't be Mafia as well unless he was busing them. Which was unfortunate because Sulfurus and Rels were also our top suspects for Mafia. IF geript was a townie which seems more likely due to the above scenario, we screwed up big time. That's what my thought process was but it turns out geript flipped which means we screwed up.
- Also, I do try and read stuff but some of it just doesn't end up in my brain. If you recall ruXxar, I did point out that we can ask questions in green text which at least displays some reading comprehension. You might want to point that out to show that I haven't completely been pulling out the noob card in every sentence I use.

2. Indecisive, passive play
- Your example where I'm suggesting either Sulfurus or geript to batsnacks is a terrible one. I believe I said it somewhere else before, but it was an attempt for me to set bait. If batsnacks does try to defend himself with either of my suggestions or just makes a good case in general, that means he's town. If he doesn't try, he's scum. In the end, I'd still say I think he's town because he's genuinely been trying to defend himself and used geript as a way out.
- Also, expand more on this if you're going to make it a point. You can't just nitpick things like you did with point #1 too. If we're talking about indecisiveness, cover how I don't really want to place a vote, I come into the thread passive, and I'm generally terrible at pressuring people. If you count all these things in, I'm pretty sure anyone can see that I have a passive playstyle. If you hate my playstyle, sure go for it and make a case off of my passivity, but don't nitpick stuff just to support your own argument.
- Also, I won't answer your other quotes because those are totally irrelevant when looked at in context.

3. Asking about pr roles
- Hm...I can see why you think a Mafia would post that. But don't worry, there was a reason behind that post. If you still want to pressure me on this, feel free to do so as I can't adequately defend myself on this one unless I wish to ruin the game.

Overall? Stop nitpicking stuff bro. Your argument was decent, but your evidence was weak. If you're going to try and kill a townie, you should work harder.

On June 15 2015 00:53 ruXxar wrote:


The bold part makes me think you have a power role...

On June 15 2015 00:55 ruXxar wrote:


Actually, I don't just think so, it seems like very strong evidence for a power role.

I'm curious if you actually are the medic.

On June 15 2015 00:31 MoosyDoosy wrote:

The only thing I'm sure about are townies which I've made a list of:
WaveofShadow
Trfel
n00bking
Oatsmaster
batsnacks

Everyone else deserves another look imo, but these are solidly town which I'm sure everyone can agree with.

On June 15 2015 01:00 WaveofShadow wrote:

Then why in blue fuck would you actually discuss this?

Just terrible.

On June 15 2015 01:18 MoosyDoosy wrote:

ruXxar I put that post for a reason. I might be a town role. I might be a townie using it as leverage to keep me alive. I might be Mafia using it to keep myself alive. I might be trying to deceive you. That's not the main issue here, don't let that point blind you.

Look at the rest of my actions and judge based on those.

On June 15 2015 01:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:

^.^ I was hoping that someone would pick up on it and to get a solid read based on their reaction. Glad to see you're a townie with us ruXxar.

On June 15 2015 01:35 ruXxar wrote:


I want to hear your opinion on the whole batsnacks trap thing.
It seemed like a very big jump from his normal demeanor. Like out of the blue he suddenly makes an irrational action like that.

I know you said you didn't have any scumreads right now, but if you wanted to go with a gut feeling, who would you possibly want to know more about?

On June 15 2015 03:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
This is likely my final reads post before the daypost. This isn't a ranked list per se, all of the same colors/boldness are in the same tier I think though.

Batsnacks
Play fits previous town play exactly. I don't see any way in hell he pulls off that geript stuff as scum for multiple reasons, including but not limited to risking him looking like balls after the flip, or drawing further attention to those 'scum-mates' he would have apparently tried to save. I just don't see it.

Moosydoosy
For all of the reasons I've stated previously. Moosy's play has just been extremely consistent with a very new player overall. Yes it is POSSIBLE scum can replicate this, but not without messing up somewhere down the line and certainly not with this level of activity. (The caveat here which might have to be looked into eventually that I find kind of interesting is this 'bait' he pulled off recently. Is a Moosy who is so nooby as to not realize geript flipped town for example, able to pull off a play like that? Food for thought, but not tomorrow.)

Trfel Extremely solid play throughout the entirety of D1. Great case on Rels who we should still be lynching. Probably got caught up in geript shenanigans but maybe worth a look into.

RuxxarFor reasons previously stated. Do not agree with nooby even though it is possible it was all some sort of setup. Needs to stop talk about setup though and actually play this game properly to avoid stupid shit like what he pulled.

NoobkingAlso needs to stop talking about setup because it gets us absolutely nowhere. The most experienced of the apparent new players, but as often focused on completely irrelevant matters. When he does scumhunt it is in incredible detail and he is also pretty prominent in thread. Not as big a fan as I was earlier on in the game when I first townread him but still town.

Kickstart I think the problems here have been adequately summarized. He might be worth a vig shot or a check (cop obviously do whatever you want here) because as soon as he was universally townread he left the thread completely and more importantly everyone forgot about him for a long time. Pressure and/or removal likely necessary.

Oats I still lean townish on him because of his early play but he has fallen off immensely. This is alignment non-indicative for him though, but when he HAS been here he hasn't shown anywhere near the degree of effort shown before. I don't treat him the same as Kickstart here (who i'm leaning to the scum side on) because Kickstart started way higher and fell way further.

Damdred Just not even remotely what I'd expect from a player of his calibre. And I'm actually saying that here because he is probably the best player currently in this game. Very little effort, not amazing scumhunting. That being said he has been on the same page as me a lot this game which is a good sign, and I mostly liked his 'late night reads' post. He just needs to do more of it, especially if he's town and I get shot tonight. If he doesn't do more, he is likely coasting on his ability to try when attention is brought up and doesn't actually care what's happening in thread = scum.

Scott Some analysis, but also looking through his filter a lot of jabs and questioning that leads absolutely nowhere (feigning useful activity??) It feels as though he's attempting to figure out the game when around but liek many in the thread there's not a lot to go on. Need a lot more from him to cement things either way.

Rels Probably scum? The points brought up against him are still pretty damning though circumstantially I wonder how likely it is that we had two scum on the block D1 before the geript shenanigans. Still the scummiest of the lot aside from Sulf, so re-evaluate as necessary after Sulf lynch.

Sulfurus Lynch with fire tomorrow. I've called him out, geript called him out, he has still accomplished absolutely nothing warranting a townread. Shows up sporadically to attempt to deflect but does not actually contribute meaningfully.


Lynch target for tomorrow is Sulf. Do not stray the course ladies and gents. As far as the entirety of the team, anyone from the null list could apply here, and it's also possible I am wrong on one of my townreads, but only one. We didn't have an amazing start but we can easily recover from this. Scumhunting was really strong D1 we just have to keep it up as a whole and keep activity up.

On June 14 2015 05:10 Sulfurus wrote:
Also don't feel bad if I don't answer your questions. I just don't feel like defending myself since I honestly feel my play is townie enough to speak for itself and I would rather find mafia for you guys to lynch afterwards.

On June 14 2015 05:11 Sulfurus wrote:
Like ask me questions if you want but there's no guarantee I'll answer.

On June 14 2015 05:17 Sulfurus wrote:
Are you kidding me! Do you see what trfel has done he just took the lynch away from scum!bats right under our noses and pitted town vs town.

Like what incentive do I have to do anything towny if it's just going to get rels lynched.

On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:
I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game.

He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game.

On June 15 2015 03:48 ruXxar wrote:



About sulfurus:





Claims he's playing very town, but these statements are incongruent with that.
Don't care for this attitude, doesn't seem like a town player wanting to win.

Then after trfel makes a case against Rel :



This make sulfurus and rel look bad together.




Earlier he pushes really hard on batsnacks, which in itself is not strange, but then he uses me as an example of the towniest players in the game, when a lot of people disagreed.
It seems like a good excuse to bandwagon on my batsnacks push.

On June 15 2015 03:48 Damdred wrote:
You need to explain that a bit better instead of being totally dismissive.

Why is he so towns with examples and full reasoning please. Don't have to quote just refer I suppose

On June 15 2015 03:55 scott31337 wrote:
Ruxxar - His bluehunting was terrible. I want to smack him in the head with a trout. Donkey town?

On June 13 2015 20:59 Rels wrote:
Alright I have to go. I will check from my phone from time to time. For now my vote is on geript. May switch to Damdred if he keeps on lurking.

If nobody changes vote and I have to choose between the two wagons I'll vote Sulfu.

##Vote geript

On June 14 2015 06:13 Rels wrote:
Yo everybody I'm super drunk so I'll post my thoughts and get back to party.

From what I read I'm sure bs and sulfu are both town. Geript is not making sense and didn't answer my question. I think he's mafia so my vote is on the right place.

Damdred stopped lurking and his posts seems townie to me.

From the last post count I m happy to see that my two scumleads are voting for me and geript seems to be the lynch.

Its my last post until tomorrow so take care everyone

On June 15 2015 04:28 ruXxar wrote:


Then:



I want to know what specifically made you change your opinion on sulfurus and damdred.

I have a voice in the back of my head telling me there's a triangle connection between sulfurus, rels and damdred.

Sulfurus for his hard defense on Rels when he was attacked, and other arguments i made earlier.
Rels for his fake claims that he wants to vote for either damdred or sulfurus, but those are just empty words to make them seem not connected, then switches over to a townread on both.
Damdred for supposedly being the best player in this game, yet not perfoming anywhere near his usual town game potential as recognized by other players.

On June 15 2015 04:42 batsnacks wrote:
I also don't think Rels ever technically switched reads on damdred or sulfurus. Damdred went from null to scummy for not posting. Sulfurus seemed to stay at a town lean.

On June 15 2015 05:34 batsnacks wrote:
kickstart is a good shot.

On June 15 2015 05:43 batsnacks wrote:


My bat-senses.

On June 15 2015 06:02 n00bKing wrote:

I compared town to a trainwreck after you AND Sulfurus lost steam, and geript was gaining steam. If I couldn't lynch you, I was happy to lynch Sulfurus. (You know, cuz Theory?) I was not at all interested in lynching geript, so yeah, was getting pretty unhappy.

By the way, how about them roles? I wonder which roles are in the game, and who has 'em. Rolly-roll-role-roles.

On June 15 2015 06:18 ruXxar wrote:


if I was a cop then I would check you or trelf.
In my eyes you are the strongest players in this game and it would be dangerous if you were mafia.

On June 15 2015 06:24 batsnacks wrote:
ruxxar is this your first game?

On June 15 2015 06:51 n00bKing wrote:

Hmm.

I'll just leave this right here:

You sure you know what the cop is for?

On June 15 2015 07:14 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Thoughts on Sulfurus?

On June 15 2015 07:15 ruXxar wrote:


Also scum.

On June 15 2015 07:22 n00bKing wrote:

derp.

I hope all the players on both sides have fun.

But most of all, I hope the Town winnnnnnnnnns!

Bye guys!

On June 15 2015 07:25 ruXxar wrote:


Bye n00bking. You served us well.

*Salut*

On June 15 2015 07:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Don't worry. It looks like Rels -> Sulfurus right now. If both are right, I'm pretty sure we'll have to vote to kill ruXxar and we always have cop to check if necessary.

On June 15 2015 08:06 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Busing means that you're sacrificing your Mafia teammate to buy more time for yourself to convince others that you're not Mafia. A good way to do this would be to play dumb or find someone else to lynch.

ruXxar, feel glad. Although n00bKing is probably rolling in his grave right now, the reason I wanted the order of lynching to be Rels, Sulfurus, and then you is because I still think that you could be a townie. If we had it completely n00bKing's way, you would be the first lynch.

On June 15 2015 08:45 Sulfurus wrote:
Can someone besides trfel explain to me why he is being so universally town read? I admit looking back his tunnel on rels is better then I thought but that's it. He has spent all his time on this one player and doesn't have good reads on anyone else yet multiple players have put him at the top of their townlists.

On June 15 2015 09:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:

It's another slip up on Sulfurus's part that he's Mafia.

As we all agree, Rels is scum. Trfel was the first one to suspect Rels and when we all least expected it. Thus, it would be really weird for Trfel to have been a Mafia as he would have been busing over Rels when no one was really looking into him. Thus, what Sulfurus is suggesting makes no sense.

He's trying to defend himself by offering Trfel as lynch but overlooked that point.

On June 15 2015 09:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:

It's another slip up on Sulfurus's part that he's Mafia.

As we all agree, Rels is scum. Trfel was the first one to suspect Rels and when we all least expected it. Thus, it would be really weird for Trfel to have been a Mafia as he would have been busing over Rels when no one was really looking into him. Thus, what Sulfurus is suggesting makes no sense.

He's trying to defend himself by offering Trfel as lynch but overlooked that point.

On June 15 2015 09:29 batsnacks wrote:


This is a scumslip I caught that was a scumslip:

On June 15 2015 09:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:

That was different. geript made a contradiction in his posting. Sulfurus is trying to make a claim that makes no sense. Answer this question: Do you really think Trfel is a Mafia?

On June 15 2015 09:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:

That's a way of running away which is not helping your case if you're trying to show you're a townie. It would be better if you answered the quesiton.

On June 15 2015 09:45 batsnacks wrote:


I'm getting a little sick of you trying to discredit my reads when you sheeped said reads harder than anyone.

On June 15 2015 09:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Then I'm going to have to read you as Mafia. You would have no fear in answering the question if you were actually a townie.

On June 15 2015 09:50 batsnacks wrote:


zzz you can't just sheep something that hard and then go back and say it was a mistake post factum. It obviously wasn't a mistake if you thought it was the best course of action with the information you had in the moment.

On June 15 2015 09:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Then please refresh my memory?

ruXxar wrote:
n00bking is my #1 townread right now, 100%.
Trfel would be second.

On June 15 2015 09:54 batsnacks wrote:
@ruxxar trying to discredit a read that you sheeped after the fact is scummy because it means you knew it was a bad read when you sheeped it, and you sheeped it anyway. Do you not understand this?

On June 15 2015 10:08 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Then there's no need for you to suspect him. Simple as that. I also find it strange that you're asking someone who you said is scum on why they think someone else is scum. If anything else, you shouldn't believe that person's words.

On June 15 2015 12:55 Sulfurus wrote:


Thank you for the answer but I don't think you understand why I made that post.

First off there's no point in me defending myself since I am not at risk to be lynched and Second I'm actually trying to reevaluate on trfel by understanding why others are townreading him instead of being one of those people who just mindlessly tunnel on one person.

Anyway your logic is actually really good if Rels is mafia but what if rels is town? Is everything we have on trfel just wrong or is he still town?

On June 15 2015 17:01 Rels wrote:
Alright as I said I have a meeting, so I'm stopping here for the moment. I'm rereading the thread to make sure I don't miss question or case against me and I'm currently page 31. I will get back to it after the meeting.

So see you in a few hours! (=

On June 15 2015 23:21 ruXxar wrote:
Im changing my My read on sulfur to town.

I'll explain further when I get home.

On June 15 2015 07:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Don't worry. It looks like Rels -> Sulfurus right now. If both are right, I'm pretty sure we'll have to vote to kill ruXxar and we always have cop to check if necessary.

On June 15 2015 07:45 ruXxar wrote:


I'm sorry, why would you vote me out when I agree they are scum?

On June 15 2015 07:47 Kickstart wrote:

Bussing is a known thing friend. That is why you are last in the line.

On June 15 2015 07:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Sulfurus is just plain scum lol. He's trying to play like he usually does but the role of a Mafia teammate is interfering with his play.


You have no choice but to agree looking at how everyone is voting against them and there's too much evidence against them.

On June 16 2015 02:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
First of all, I don't know if you're trying to accuse me of Mafia or trying to clear Sulfurus. It seems like you're doing both which doesn't matter in any case because I disagree with both.

1. Sulfurus is trying to bring Trfel under the light which is a huge mistake. It makes no sense in any way whatsoever. It's either a very bad play or a weak attempt as Mafia to avoid being lynched. There is actually no way to excuse this attempt.

No mafia in my mind can be that stupid.
If it's a mafia playing to win he made 2 huge mistakes.
-He selected a terrible target as lynch target.
-He tied himself very closely to Rels, which people already suspected was mafia.

Sulfurus was already about to be voted out.
Then trelf accused rels and some people switched over.
If he was a mafia playing to win and he got lynched with the 5 votes he had at that point, then the immediate next target would've been rels.
If it wasn't for bats tell on geript, then town would've lynched sulfurus and then automatically we would've lynched rels next.
Why would he tie himself to Rels and not just let himself die in silence.
That is such a terrible play that I think no mafia would ever do.

2. The reason I went on the offensive was to clarify n00bKing's suspicions that you might have been Mafia which you inadequately defended yourself on btw.
- I first asked you whether you thought Rels and Sulfurus were scum. You said they were.

I thought there was an association between Rels and sulfurus, moreso from Rels side than from Sulfurus side.
I already expressed why I evaluated that way here:

Post 1
Post 2

Which both batsnacks and you later sheeped in your arguments.

Bat
Moosy

Later I expressed my confusion about Sulfurus move, which I actually thought about before n00bking mentioned it, but I didn't tell anyone here about it.

Link


- I then pointed out that this might be a case of busing. You pretended or really didn't know what we were talking about.

What I said is that your busing argument made no logical sense at all, considering that according to n00bking me rels and sulfur were already the top 3 suspects.

And you even said that I was the top lynch target.



Which you only corrected after I pointed it out, which means you actually used that as your logic when you made that statement.




- I then pointed out that there's no reason for you to listen to Sulfurus's argument as you just said he was scum. For some reason, you kept on associating yourself with someone you said was scum and tried to listen to the basis of an argument that was unsound from the start. At this point you decided to leave and never replied.

Why would you NOT want to hear people defend themselves? This is totally backwards logic and no town would say such a thing.

I also said I was going to sleep. How is that deciding to leave and never reply?
It was 3 am when i made that statement and I had to get up at 7.




- I won't even mention the fact that you're always following one wagon or another as I'm sure people will be able to look through your filter and see how you were always agreeing with almost every case out there.

I was one of the first people to suspect bats, and I stuck to bats even after a lot of people changed votes.
I would've voted for bats 100% if he didn't pull his "patented bat trap™"


3. Both Sulfurus and Rels were under fire. If they immediately began attempting to bus each other, it would most certainly be an assertion that they were Mafia. The only thing that they can do at this point is try and defend each other the best that they can. This point is weak.

Adressed this above

4. No because both Sulfurus and Rels were primary suspects and are after n00bKing's post. The only reason why you would be able to get away with busing is because mostly everyone thought that you were town and it would be simplest for you to disassociate yourself from them. Which, I'd like to point out, you do by jumping on the n00bKing wagon immediately. Even now you're only revoking your argument because Rels is here and making a case for Sulfurus.

I cast doubt on the votes on sulfurus as far back as Page 35 when noone else was.




I don't see why you're so scared to make a stand for yourself and persist in wagoning off of other people's arguments.

I've made my stand, you're next

On June 16 2015 05:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
I mean I'm just sitting here wondering why we're not lynching the guy who's clearly not playing the game, but that's just me.
I am liking all the other stuff going on though. It makes me feel like scum are scrambling because the top townreads haven't really changed a whole lot and are untouchable while the scum are trying to figure out which of the dregs they can safely remove to continue on with the game.

That in itself makes me feel good about Sulf not being targeted by anyone seemingly other than me. That says likely Sulf is scum and all the target switching and scumreads thrown out constantly means we're on the right track (although having to figure out which of all the people tossing around new scumreads are actually scum is blegggh).

On June 16 2015 05:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
I mean I'm just sitting here wondering why we're not lynching the guy who's clearly not playing the game, but that's just me.
I am liking all the other stuff going on though. It makes me feel like scum are scrambling because the top townreads haven't really changed a whole lot and are untouchable while the scum are trying to figure out which of the dregs they can safely remove to continue on with the game.

That in itself makes me feel good about Sulf not being targeted by anyone seemingly other than me. That says likely Sulf is scum and all the target switching and scumreads thrown out constantly means we're on the right track (although having to figure out which of all the people tossing around new scumreads are actually scum is blegggh).

On June 16 2015 05:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Other two are more than likely amongst Damdred/you(ruxxar)/Rels/Scott/Kickstart. I think Oats re-gets a townread for feels and you move down slightly because I dunno how you could be voting moosy and calling Sulf town without some shenanigans going on.

On June 16 2015 05:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
I've already said I haven't read much of Rels' posts.
Top scum is still absolutely Sulf. If the only reason to not lynch him is because 'oh well he did this shit in another game,' then that's not nearly enough.

Not much else has changed to be honest, other than the fact that I'd probably bump Rels up on my list to that muddle of 'null' players.
Other two are more than likely amongst Damdred/you(ruxxar)/Rels/Scott/Kickstart. I think Oats re-gets a townread for feels and you move down slightly because I dunno how you could be voting moosy and calling Sulf town without some shenanigans going on.

On June 16 2015 05:32 WaveofShadow wrote:

Because they're long, boring, and mostly useless clearly.
Can you explain to me what makes them particularly important in the grand scheme of things?

On June 16 2015 05:37 batsnacks wrote:


Yeah I'd be happier if sulfur is lynched but I'd be happier if ruxxar was lynched.

On June 16 2015 05:41 WaveofShadow wrote:

I'm not sure what bats said has anything to do with geript's supposed scumslip.

On June 16 2015 05:48 batsnacks wrote:


Wanna know the easiest way to tell the difference between mafia and shitty town? Be mafia. Like seriously there is no way you should be able to tell the difference as town given what sulfur has provided, unless you are mafia and you actually know sulfur's alignment.

On June 16 2015 05:51 ruXxar wrote:


I made a compelling argument for why he wouldn't be mafia.
Why don't you refute that instead.

I'm a newb playing mafia for the first time, and even I thought that move was so bad it was cringeworthy.

On June 16 2015 05:55 batsnacks wrote:


If ruxxar and sulfur are both mafia I don't think it's unreasonable to think that ruxxar is defending his scum mate who has all but left their team to fend for themselves. I also don't think it's unreasonable to think that ruxxar's case is TMI. So sulfur's alignment doesn't matter, ruxxar is scummy regardless.

On June 16 2015 06:03 batsnacks wrote:


This works both ways. Why would sulfur not attempt to mount some sort of defense as town if his win condition is to keep town alive and lynch mafia? So no this is not a reason to townread sulfur.

On June 16 2015 06:10 batsnacks wrote:


1 post ago you just explained that sulfurus flipping red makes you town. Even though you were wrong wtf even is this?