EPT[M][N] I Still Can't Believe it's not Themed Mafia - Page 7
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If anyone is around to discuss BF's reads D1 particularly Yamato, please pipe up. | ||
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On June 11 2015 04:43 prplhz wrote: boxerfred seems to be wildly flailing right now. i liked the effort earlier but i don't know what's gotten into him now. On June 11 2015 21:36 prplhz wrote: @Mig Don't you find it disconcerting that so far your only support in this justanothertownie lynch is boxerfred, who you yourself thinks has very poor reasoning for going after justanothertownie? You started this entire game by expressing your respect for marvellosity and now he's confirmed town you go straight against one of his reads? In the meantime, where do you stand (prplhz) on BF after his latest response to JAT/Salty? | ||
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BF makes this comment in all the case discussion going down: On June 05 2015 14:39 boxerfred wrote: Hello, people  Sick case already, looking forward to the answers! Objectively I would say this opening is scummy because mafia would tend to want to lay back or slow things down. A townie would want to either dig in themselves and ask questions. Therefore when Yamato appears with this about half an hour later: And having disappeared a while, it is actually reasonable that Yamato be exposed first thing to BF’s opening as well as prplhz’s response to him (page 7) before seeing the cases on the previous pages at least an hour or so ago that he sees BF’s comment and calls it scummy. Yamato’s response to BF as to why he was picked out of all the cases would fall in line with this picture. Only approx 20m later Yamato gets to commenting on JAT (timestamps, page 7), and then about an hour and a half later we get this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=166&topic_id=486819 Which I’d interpret as OMGUS as he repeats nearly the exact same wording as to why Yam’s response was scummy. On June 05 2015 18:08 boxerfred wrote: ##vote yamato77 since your answer looks totally scummy *rolls eyes* At this juncture not knowing anything else, if I was in play D1, I would conclude from this exchange alone a townlean on Yam and a scumlean on BF. Continuing…. | ||
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On June 05 2015 20:40 boxerfred wrote: No thought on you or fecal thus far On yamato? Given that he lurks, only to make a vote on me, only to leave another short, lurky comment? Yeah could very well be. That's not too solid however. I tend to no-vote currently. Several problems with this response. First I don’t know how a comment is “lurky” I think he means short, I’ll chalk it up to a language barrier here. Second, given the timestamps I previously discussed, how does he know that Yam is lurking? When I go back to Yamatos vote (page 1 of his filter, page 7 of thread) the TIME ELAPSED BETWEEN his last random quip and his vote on BF was almost 6 hours (page 1 of his filter). How does he know that yamato wasn’t out of thread entirely during those six hours? That’s one problem I have there. Now he admits it’s not “too solid” but the lurking part is what would make me think a hint of TMI. The second problem I have there is the another short lurky comment part of that phrase. I want to assume that’s in response to the LOLs prior to the vote, but if not, he’s ignored 3-4 comments that Yamato has made between 0900-1200 (my time). Now objectively let’s look at Yamato. We see these quotes: On June 05 2015 18:40 yamato77 wrote: My whole "I can read prplhz" thing was when I was mafia, lol. I'll let marv have the fun this game. Although independently of anything you've posted, there's this rule that says you should be mafia. Just dunno if it actually applies this game, given Chez's play. On June 06 2015 04:51 yamato77 wrote: fecal is right tho, game is pretty boring until BF does something that looks even remotely townie, I'm content sitting on the idea of lynching him, you lazy fucks can do the scumhunting this game, I'm uninspired. These two quotes alone, independent of BF, I would scumread Yam. It fits his scum meta of laziness and wanting to lay back. Also knowing Yam’s meta, it’s possible that he could have done this to potentially make people question and clear BF since it might raise the question as to why he’d do something like this D1 to him. Also still scummy of Yam because at that point Yam has commented on other people and questioned other people and weights a tone read over other things he finds questionable. | ||
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On June 07 2015 01:46 boxerfred wrote: I'm indeed ignoring what you're saying since I don't feel like it has any ground. I don't exactly understand why you say that a "tend to no-lynch" after saying "That guy might be scum" is scummy if it is not for some constructed reasons, trying to get a mis-lynch on a townie. I tend to no-lynch on D1 because it simply makes sense. The probability of hitting a town is way higher than hitting a scum member. I guess you know that. So while I have a scum read on yamato, that scum read is not built on like a rock solid ground but is more a first impression that I'll try to get a grip upon later on. Just like I did when I said "Why are you jumping on me, pulling attention on me instead of my read on yamato?" - Well, instead of replying to that, you just say "LOOK HE'S IGNORING MY WORDS", still shifting attention away from yamato (who seldomly posts anyways) to, oh look, me again. So. You don't like the bolded part, alright? Well shame, deal with it. On D1, there's no evidence or indications of anything in general besides someone's posts. D1 is the day where (IMHO) scum can just lay back, chill the fuck out and jump on the first guy they feel is probably being mislynched. So BOOM ##unvote ##vote no-lynch until I find a case or create a case which seems to be worth a vote. I might change my vote lateron though, I did not yet find the time to read through that Artanis story. Weekend with kids do that to people. At this point the Artanis situation is done and dusted, though he’s admitted to not seeing this. Generally no-lynching on D1 in the absence of scumreads is fine, but here he’s already cited a reason for calling someone scummy. The going to a no-lynch as I had said before is pretty scummy, but if he calls out fuba for putting attention on him he’s also showing he believes in the read enough he shouldn’t be no lynching. Plus there’s the issue of self-consciousness here. Another key indicator here is that the votes are all over the place, so a scum BF would have been easily been able to take his vote off under the guise of trolling. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486819-i-still-cant-believe-its-not-themed-mafia?page=13#242 Now BF is later called out for no-lynching by someone else and he says that it’s his second game on TL. This part could lend credence to the newbie theory. (Newb play over mafia play) At that point however, it was about 6 hours prior to EoD. About ONE HOUR PRIOR, Salty had unclaimed and made his massive case on Yamato. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486819-i-still-cant-believe-its-not-themed-mafia?page=25#500 (About 10 pages had elapsed within 4 hours and BF was making his case on Yamato.) With 4 hours to go, page 30 of thread, people start debating who to lynch. On page 33 or 2.5 hours prior, about 4 votes pile on top of Yamato, the 4th being about 5-10 minutes before BF types his case. So looking at this I would definitely agree that BF could have slotted the case when he did to blend in when it looked convenient, the theory is supported by the vote sequence and the timestamps. Finally post-lynch: On June 07 2015 08:06 boxerfred wrote: kaboom I voted the guy first ppl, I voted the guy first thank me later I will be honest, I can see this quote both ways – excited town, or mafia wanting to take credit. | ||
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And I can more confidently say that looking at the timestamps. The rest of the narrative as others cased it, fits now that I've walked myself again through D1. So don't be fooled, the TMI theory is definitely valid here and he should be lynched. | ||
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On June 12 2015 09:28 Mig wrote: fuba - I already discussed him, and personally I think the NAC case that fuba is speaking in absolutes is reaching. When I read his filter it looked like wishy washy fuba. I made a comment when Marv was alive how that wishy washy fuba could also be construed as scummy. He drew attention to himself to be fair but his backtracking when people queried him added that layer of scumminess. You might have missed it, but I'll re-quote it again. | ||
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On June 10 2015 15:46 Half the Sky wrote: Leaving for work at the moment but the things that stuck out as scum to me [...] The other potential issue is how he kept second guessing himself. Given those two quotes I brought up re: Fecalfeast, it appeared that self-consciousness bled over here when Salty, prplhz, myself, etc were questioning the DT claim and could also be interpreted as him being worried how he looked to us. There were several instances. By themselves, it's not a problem, but when taken in context with the whole being self-conscious about appearance, it becomes a problem. It adds a layer of scumminess to how he's viewing things based on what he said to Fecalfeast. What are your thoughts? Or pretty much of the same opinion? | ||
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On June 12 2015 09:39 Mig wrote: Anyway meh, maybe I am wrong about JAT. But everyone shitting on my case is annoying. I don't see any 100% lock I have found the mafia cases by anyone else. I read JAT's responses and is he really this much of a giant dick as town? I mean seriously does it look like JAT cares at all about whether I am town or not? And calling my case against him lazy is bullshit. I easily put more work into trying to figure out if JAT is town or not than pretty much any other case here. For the people who actually read my case does my case look at all like I am mafia? Shouldn't JAT be able to at least see the possibility of my case coming from a townie? Maybe I am just so tunneled in that almost everything I see from him starts to look scummy to me shrug. Anyway fuck it, would rather lynch boxer than fuba. ##unvote ##vote boxer I actually to answer your question have less of a problem with the case, I felt I debunked your case on him re: Artanis well I felt he honestly took all aspects into consideration prior to lynching Artanis. If you want to disagree fine, but that's where I stand. I don't understand some of your vote switches and both FF and I looked to you as if you didn't care who got lynched. We - or at least I - had a bigger problem with that. | ||
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On June 12 2015 09:51 Mig wrote: Isn't wishy washy fuba an indicator of his town play? + Show Spoiler + On May 25 2015 08:27 fuba wrote: Wishy-washiness is kind of my trademark town play (at least until end game). I used to post a lot more, but every time I would give a giant wall of wishy-washy reads I felt like I was painting a bulls-eye on my back, so I mostly try to think things through on my own now. In an effort to contribute more, I'll try to get some legit reads into the thread by tomorrow. I don't work today, so I should have time to get it done. I wouldn't get your hopes up for definite town/scum reads, but at least I'll put some of my thoughts on "paper". I'm up for a nb lynch. It's true that as a vet, it made little sense to claim during the night. The entire situation seems silly as either alignment, but that remains true. The fact that she was supposedly afraid of dying last night despite being sure that mafia wouldn't also attack her would seem to indicate that her fear was feigned. And she still hasn't explained how she flipped from geript/sandroba scum to sandroba scum + geript absolutely town. Despite being asked multiple times. Many of us had this little feeling that geript was actually town, but she seemed sure of it. ##Vote 17ninjabunnies From reading this post from carnival, I feel like fuba is aware that people find his wishy washiness to be scummy and so he tries to curtail it a bit. As mafia I imagine he would be extra careful not to appear wishy washy and draw the extra attention to himself. So I am not sure I understand why this specific wishy washiness is more likely to make him mafia instead of being part of his normal town meta. I think it's also a combination of this and the fact that unlike Carnival he's not providing reads as easily. That is another sticking point I have with him. | ||
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On June 12 2015 09:51 Mig wrote: Isn't wishy washy fuba an indicator of his town play? + Show Spoiler + On May 25 2015 08:27 fuba wrote: Wishy-washiness is kind of my trademark town play (at least until end game). I used to post a lot more, but every time I would give a giant wall of wishy-washy reads I felt like I was painting a bulls-eye on my back, so I mostly try to think things through on my own now. In an effort to contribute more, I'll try to get some legit reads into the thread by tomorrow. I don't work today, so I should have time to get it done. I wouldn't get your hopes up for definite town/scum reads, but at least I'll put some of my thoughts on "paper". I'm up for a nb lynch. It's true that as a vet, it made little sense to claim during the night. The entire situation seems silly as either alignment, but that remains true. The fact that she was supposedly afraid of dying last night despite being sure that mafia wouldn't also attack her would seem to indicate that her fear was feigned. And she still hasn't explained how she flipped from geript/sandroba scum to sandroba scum + geript absolutely town. Despite being asked multiple times. Many of us had this little feeling that geript was actually town, but she seemed sure of it. ##Vote 17ninjabunnies From reading this post from carnival, I feel like fuba is aware that people find his wishy washiness to be scummy and so he tries to curtail it a bit. As mafia I imagine he would be extra careful not to appear wishy washy and draw the extra attention to himself. So I am not sure I understand why this specific wishy washiness is more likely to make him mafia instead of being part of his normal town meta. Yeh I actually did see that post before a few others did but the reads was the other compare/contrast point we differentiated from his Carnaval play. | ||
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