[M][N]Holy Guardians Chapter 1

On June 03 2015 06:24 Tictock wrote:
@ ritoky

Ok, I'll bite

##Vote ritoky

For spamming graphics and one liners. Not even trying to push people yet, such scum.

On June 03 2015 06:51 Damdred wrote:
So ritoky shouldn't be lynched today at all. I have a pretty strong town read on him currently so remove your votes.

I'll revisit him during the night to,make sure but let us look for mafia elsewhere

On June 03 2015 17:49 Fidei86 wrote:
Hey guys I'm back online.

I have to admit, I'm a little blown away by how much back and forth there was. I guess there's no other way to do forum mafia, but still, it's tough. I sort of feel like I should print out all of your names on a big A3 page and then draw lines between each of you representing defences and accusations. In fact, if anyone has the time to do that, I think it would be helpful (especially later in the game, when nobody can be bothered to go through a bazillion pages of text).

My only reads, and I admit they are very weak, are on Kickstarter and Viscera. I thought that both have taken a somewhat 'holier-than-thou' tone in their posts. Kickstarter started off with a very lecture-y post which felt to me like an attempt to stake out his town credentials before the mud began to fly. Then again, maybe that's just how he is as town, I dunno. Viscera has similarly been very confident in his/her posts, which is suspicious to me because I'm just not sure about anything at this point.

On June 04 2015 01:42 Fidei86 wrote:
VE - in particular, I agree with his read on scott and GG, and also on KS. I also think he has a point about the way you entered the thread (and this is something I've said before as well). None of that is to say that I have a strong read on him either way, I just don't agree that anything he has said or done obviously makes him mafia.

On June 04 2015 04:16 ritoky wrote:


do you have any scum reads? all i got from this was you think milo is town and kickstart is town. i will take more of any kind of reads, but more interested in your scum reads.

On June 04 2015 04:24 Damdred wrote:
Also I kinda don't want to lynch Scott I was setting a trap for him by not answering his question and sre if he was going tonbring it up.

A most cunning plan foiled by someone who cares if he's answered.

On June 03 2015 09:50 GGTeMpLaR wrote:



My gut tells me the specific diction you chose with regards to being 'morally' okay with it inclines me to believe you are townie.



I think your intentional emphasis on the fact that you are 'HIGHLY' suspicious of people is scum-indicative. You are making sure we all know you are 'suspicious' of people, aka have imperfect information aka are town. A very roundabout and subtle way to go about telling people you are town.

I think this is an excellent policy vote.

##Vote Tictock

On June 04 2015 04:34 ritoky wrote:


When I played with you in that student thing I remember you asking a whole lot more questions as town. Why are you much less inquisitive this game?

On June 04 2015 09:39 Tictock wrote:
Ok, took me longer to get back to this game than I thought thanks to a rough day at work, bit disappointing that there has only been ~4 new pages in the thread though, activity seemed better right at the start.

Couple of things that I wanted to respond to right away, before I reread the thread and start putting together more solid reads for EoD.



GG, dude, it's D1 and your already asking me to repost/restate stuff I've said? It's not a long thread to read yet, and my filter is def not that long... Besides, shouldn't you be paying attn to my posts more than anyone's if your scum reading me?

@Scott,
I'm not familiar with the bolded term, mind elaborating?

I agree that this completely looks like a scum play to me. He's mimiking a vote already on me, his reasons for voting me aren't bad per say but they are far from solid. GG dropped into the game and just made that read without trying to interact with me and ignored my response to him + Show Spoiler +. I know I've been guilty of doing the former, but I've always been on the lookout for responses from people I'm putting pressure one. GG is not even bothering to look for my responses to him, and acting like I still need prove something to him. I def feel like I'm being slow pushed here for no reason, total scum move.

##Vote: GGTeMpLaR

On June 04 2015 10:57 Kickstart wrote:
Took a nap cause I was feeling like shit and moody, probably came through in my posting. Lots of people have taken issue with my Nydus town read. I just want to say again that it was hastily done and I just said it off the top of my head because people were pressuring me to give more town reads (which again I don't find fair since I gave them, but people are greedy and wanted more and I reacted badly). It can be ignored and I have tried to explain why it happened, I will have to reevaluate him later but like I said I would probably not lynch him at the moment.

On June 04 2015 11:23 Kickstart wrote:

If that is what you think then fine, I messed up and admitted it and can't change it now. I did retract it almost immediately though. You sure you not just looking for something to jump on? I'm far from just trying to survive.

Can't help but feel you and others have this convenient manufactured surprise and outrage at me.

On June 04 2015 11:58 Chocolate wrote:

VE for previously stated reasons, it isn't purely an OMGUS though of course that is probably it to a large extent

KS I'm beginning to think is a bit fishier but it's a small hunch

I have a very hard time reading damdred , you, and ritoky. Admittedly I kinda have a hard time reading the newer players too (because I subconsciously associate posts with icons lol) but tomorrow I'm going to go through them all again

Onegu has pretty much been a shitposter so far which I don't like and don't think is good for town

As for not liking town reads, for me it's because anyone I don't think is scum I am leaning towards null or town on (in which case I wouldn't want to lynch them). It can also restrict thinking - we need to, and do, change who we think may be scum somewhat frequently. With town, since calling a given poster town is usually held to less scrutiny, we can let that label linger and it can affect our reads

[to everyone] Don't be offended if I call you or something you did scummy especially on the first day. There's very little to work on and since I don't think calling people town is productive I don't make a lot of friends

On June 04 2015 00:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Town:
Nydus
sicklucker
Milo89
Fideu86


Mafia:
Kickstark
Tictock

On June 03 2015 08:35 Chocolate wrote:

Just him siding with kickstarter. his posts don't reveal much at all so far. however, I think due to the low content and neutrality of his posts that he may be playing the lurker role which tends to be one that scum takes

On June 03 2015 06:18 sicklucker wrote:


Dandred is a good town. Ritoky might be a good mafia thats about it. onegu me and ve are regulars.

Scott and tictock are two new players in there first non newbie game. Was in two games with each second is ongoing so I cant really talk about it. In the first one tictock tunneled the hell out of me when I had solved the game and it was hella annoying.

A bunch of video mafia players I believe. I know milo/templar are maybe you?

On June 03 2015 16:19 Tictock wrote:
Was just checking in before bed, game has been somewhat dead past few hours, so I'll just leave a few of my thoughts.

GG is my top scum right now. No questions. Was expecting him to at least react to my response or something...

I'm unsure of Damdred, though he's earning town points in my book for reacting the same way I did to GG.

I'd really like to hear from Onegu and def need to see more out of Scott. I hate to say it but scott could be scum atm. I've seen him lynched D1 twice now, when he was town he was active until he got tunneled and when he was scum he posted very much like he's doing this game. Quick little reads and short response posts. Also half his posts atm are just stating facts, nothing game relevant.

Milo does look kinda scummy but I'm not sure yet, I'd like to see more out of him. Right now I cant tell if he is actually scum or if he just looks out of place because he isn't used to this style of mafia. His frustration over being insta-scummed by several people is understandable, especially being new here.

On June 04 2015 08:08 ritoky wrote:
i have some worries about scott which may legit be irl stuff like he said, but he is less pro-active and inquisitive this game. seems to be more concerned with fitting in and not being lynched which is pretty meh. but lots of people don't like scott...in fact no1 does. which might make him town.

On June 03 2015 09:22 milo109 wrote:
Sure.

I don't like VE. He's obviously a strong player, and I don't think he's contributed as many reads as he should have.

Sicklucker is an another possibility, but with people who still haven't posted, I don't think I need to find a third scum yet.

On June 03 2015 09:34 milo109 wrote:
GRR. This is frustrating me. I'm fine being read as scum for my own problems, but not for assuming that someone who hadn't posted was unable to defend themselves. HE WASN'T POSTING. THAT MEANT HE COULDN'T DIRECTLY RESPOND TO YOUR ACCUSATION.

On June 04 2015 09:28 milo109 wrote:
I'm back. Fidei's post is ... interesting. That's one that will hard decide his alignment depending on whether he is genuine or not.

On June 03 2015 16:19 Tictock wrote:
Milo does look kinda scummy but I'm not sure yet, I'd like to see more out of him. Right now I cant tell if he is actually scum or if he just looks out of place because he isn't used to this style of mafia. His frustration over being insta-scummed by several people is understandable, especially being new here.

On June 05 2015 00:59 Fidei86 wrote:


I really agree with what Chocolate said about Onegu, save that the lurking is so obvious (and lurking is such a classic mafia play, as I understand anyway) that he would be mad to play like this if he were actually mafia. Still, I'm leaning towards voting for him just because I don't think there's any totally slam-dunk targets today and if we mislynch on him, at least we won't be losing anyone who is being a useful townie. Obviously I'm not saying that I want a mislynch, just saying that statistically the likelihood is quite high that we will, so we should take town-contribution into account as well when voting.

Some people sort of defended him earlier, saying that this was just his usual play style when he was town. Can we hear from those people again, just to get their read now we're going into the first night?

On June 05 2015 01:50 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I would like Scott's thoughts on my analysis of why the 'Chezinu rule' which he spent a great deal of thought on this game applies and points to 'Tictock' as scum pushing on Ritoky-Chezinu, not myself as scum pushing on Tictock-Chezinu.

On June 05 2015 02:25 Damdred wrote:
If we policy lynch id rather lynch SL than oneg though because oneg has tl family things

On June 04 2015 16:15 ritoky wrote:
well going to bed and i think this is the best lynch:

##vote: chocolate

he wanted to policy lynch scott for inactivity before the person he made a scum case on in VE, which makes absolutely no sense to me. when pressured and asked about it he gave some convoluted response about a thought process which never occurred in the thread, him having a read on scott that didn't exist because it was policy, and some factually incorrect information.

add this onto VE's case, and i think it is currently the best vote.

On June 05 2015 03:11 Fidei86 wrote:
@Scott - could you explain what you mean by "he will shine his moments when need be"? Have you played with him before?

On June 05 2015 04:05 ritoky wrote:
VE, do you know what i find to be the most compelling reason to stay on chocolate at the moment is?

that you or i are pretty much every single player in the game's #1 town read and yet we are the only 2 on this vote lol. that shit is blowing my mind....

On June 05 2015 05:18 Chocolate wrote:
I'm trying not to die

On June 05 2015 05:27 Chocolate wrote:
KS, if you would look back, you would see I posted only a few minutes after you, I had not yet seen what you wrote

ok let me try to generally address the points against me

1. the scott vote

he wasn't posting, had a general town read and nothing else at the moment, very easy way for scum to play it safe, I don't feel he is scum at all at the moment since he has posted a lot more since then

2. going scott over VE
uhhh it was pretty far before the end of the day and it was a case of pros and cons vs. only cons at the moment

3. I seen scummy because I've been defending all game
It's a cycle. If I don't defend myself, I get called dodgy scum. If I defend myself, I seem to be scrambling. In either case I have to spend a lot of my time and posts defending myself which continues to call attention to myself possibly being scum

4. switching votes a lot
tictock vote meant next to nothing, scott vote was imo logical at the time it was made, VE vote was slightly OMGUSing, onegu vote I continue to stand by but if you guys want to interpet meta to the detriment of town I can't stop you, KS I don't want to die, he seems scummy (and for my next post I'll try to be more formal why), and bandwagoned me

if there's anything else scummy you want to bring up about me then shoot

On June 05 2015 05:30 ritoky wrote:
the more i think about it, the less i am feeling it.

##unvote: chocolate

On June 05 2015 05:39 Damdred wrote:
Scott, do you think I'm town.

Why don't you feel a ks lynch

On June 05 2015 11:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:


I suppose you're right I never did explain it (I thought I made a post on it but can't find it anyways). I sort of just read the way in which he was posting as genuinely honest I guess I thought I quoted the exact post where I 'townread him' but I guess I didn't.



I really like your analysis of my interaction with you this game it reads very townie to me if you're doing it as mafia you've done a great job replicating how I think you would feel as town.

I have always been told I play very differently on the forum medium versus video medium of mafia. I also believe that, as a general rule, people are going to play differently across these medium and, at least with regards to how I scumhunt in both mediums, I believe 'tells' that you might have on one person in video-mafia and 'metareads' on a player aren't exactly the best way to read the game. I never considered myself to have a 'strong' read on you either in videomafia, sometimes I read you well, sometimes I don't. For that reason, if I am mafia and you are town, rather than attempt to fabricate an easy 'I think VE is town' read and go for a pocket, I merely avoided giving a read on you because, as I said before, I am largely uninterested in your push on Chocolate and don't really have a read on either of you from it.

That being said, I am mildly inclined to believe you are town for the post quoted above.



Multiple people, including this now confirmed town and another strong town read of mine (ritoky) have now posted speaking very positively of my recent posting yet Tictock continues to insist that it 'doesn't make sense'. I readily assume that if this many people are capable of reacting positively to it while TT continues to insist a tentative read in regards to my push on him, wanting to push back on me, but having too many people speak positively of my posting, that it would be natural for a mafia to be inclined to feign 'confusion' rather than continue to 'tunnel back against me' or 'flop on me and read me as town'.

Also, I would like to point out that in the end, my conclusion to townread Kickstarter was correct. I say this to promote the integrity of my reads so I can get other villagers to follow me when I say 'vote ticktock' and 'I will add kickstarter to my town list' so that you people stop lynching my townreads and I'm not the only one voting my scumread at EOD.

On June 05 2015 12:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Actually sicklucker was voting on Tictock as well.

More reason to like him imo.

I am going to say based on Onegu's play and his push on damdred, one of them is likely mafia. The way Onegu is playing though there will not really be a way to get an accurate read on him, therefore it's going to be up to Damdred to project town to discern which of them is mafia.

That being said, I already made sure to do this in the vote thread so here it is here as well

##Vote: Tictock

On June 05 2015 12:50 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Just to make my logic a little more clear on the Onegu-Damdred situation since nothing else is happening -

Onegu is basically playing a game that is going to be very hard to discern his alignment. He probably has really strong reasons for thinking Damdred is mafia if Onegu is actually town (it would be nice if he could share these instead of just claiming 'amazing at this game').

So my logic can be summed up as 'onegu is likely town with very good reasons for thinking that Damdred is mafia and I have no read on Damdred despite the quantity of his posting so it more likely correct than not"

or

Onegu is just lazy mafia.

I know that isn't really a read but I've already given a bunch of reads and who I think should be lynched today (or preferably vigi-shot tbh, that is Tictock).

I would love for the vigi to shoot Tictock thank you.

On June 05 2015 12:52 NydusHerMain wrote:
These are my thoughts on the last couple of pages because I came home late and have to go to sleep soon.



Seems like a really weak reaction to me. It doesn't really feel genuine at all. Also, I'm not sure about Chocolate but if I were getting potentially lynched and it was getting close to EoD, I would've constantly refreshed. I call BS on him not noticing the time and saying "I would have killed myself" because he posted his last words before the EoD was over. Also, if he truely had the intent of dying for the blue, he probably would have at least tried to vote even if it was exactly on EoD (which would probably have been too late) just incase but he didn't even try.

[TL;DR: Chocolate was there to take the death for the team and he lied about sacrificing himself had he had more time


With respect to Milo, people have already said this but I'm town reading the hell out of him now. Day 1 it was a light town read but his switch to a nonvote when the blue claimed solidifies him to my top town. The only doubt in my mind is if Chocolate flips as scum because the only reason for Milo to nonvote in my opinion is either he was panicking town or he was mafia with Chocolate and just didn't know what to do or knew that the blue was going to die by default anyways. Regardless, I'm tending to lead more super town on Milo and just going with Occam's razor on this.


VE's reaction felt kind of fake to me right now as well BUT he did want to go on Chocolate over the blue AND on top of that, I'm kind of scared because everytime I read his posts, I read it in his voice and if he starts going on me... basically I don't want to see the torrential downpour of VE rage falling on me. (In all seriousness, I'm slightly reading him town for his earlier posts but in the case of my death, I do want people to keep a close eye on him).


I'll have to reread filters when I wake up but for now, I had a scum read on onegu and damdred as well but I don't remember the reasons well enough to confidently explain why.





OHHH and don't get me started on TickTock's reaction. How did I miss that one. The fakest thing I've ever read in my life. I'm almost ready to vote on him instantly when the day starts off that. God, it's because the two letter acronyms are so confusing... TT, GG, SL, KS, VE, blah blah blah....


Templar also feels townier post EoD but I don't know if I can wipe his slate clean mentally after day 1... Actually, that's kind of a lie. He doesn't really feel townier to me but I like his reads so I'm just going to call him leaning town. He doesn't like damdred and onegu, he doesn't like ticktock, I just need him to say his stance on chocolate and I need it to be "chocolate is mafia we should lynch him." I'd say shame on you templar for voting on our blue but if you're town, I would've had you dead so either way one of us would be at fault. (P.S. say chocolate is scum and you'll have me in your pocket for the next 1-2 days)


Honestly, it was kind of hard for me to follow this game and I could feel myself getting lurkier and lurkier but I think this blue kill got me all worked up. Despite how bad it is for us (is jailkeeper dying even that bad? is it a strong role?) it's pretty exciting and I think the game is really starting to move forward.

On June 05 2015 14:31 milo109 wrote:
Alright, looking back I think I've focused too much on defense and not enough time pushing my reads. Here's where I'm at
Chocolate Town
VE Mafia

I really don't want to get into that again. But I think that this is the way things do and should line up.

Other reads:
Ritocky is super town from the combination of both his activity level and the thought he puts into the game. I called him nitpicky earlier, but as the game goes on I appreciate the pressure he is putting on.

Nydus is a light town. I'm sorta getting a dimwit silly impression from him, and it seems hard to understand why mafia would want to fake that. I realllly don't like his last post though, so that bumped him down.

Fidei is town just for doing for the long, clear, and well-written way he conveys his thought processes. I've never felt jarred by of his logic.

Damdred is scum. His vote on Kickstart and the way he has been playing is so noncommital.

I still like Templar. You people don't understand his utterly dopey playstyle in video mafia. He plays here like he does there.

The problem with these reads is that means only one scum voted on Kickstart. And that's a real problem. I'll rethink this in the morning with my Onegu/Ticktock/Scott/New Guy sequel.

On June 05 2015 12:52 NydusHerMain wrote:
These are my thoughts on the last couple of pages because I came home late and have to go to sleep soon.



Seems like a really weak reaction to me. It doesn't really feel genuine at all. Also, I'm not sure about Chocolate but if I were getting potentially lynched and it was getting close to EoD, I would've constantly refreshed. I call BS on him not noticing the time and saying "I would have killed myself" because he posted his last words before the EoD was over. Also, if he truely had the intent of dying for the blue, he probably would have at least tried to vote even if it was exactly on EoD (which would probably have been too late) just incase but he didn't even try.

TL;DR: Chocolate was there to take the death for the team and he lied about sacrificing himself had he had more time


With respect to Milo, people have already said this but I'm town reading the hell out of him now. Day 1 it was a light town read but his switch to a nonvote when the blue claimed solidifies him to my top town. The only doubt in my mind is if Chocolate flips as scum because the only reason for Milo to nonvote in my opinion is either he was panicking town or he was mafia with Chocolate and just didn't know what to do or knew that the blue was going to die by default anyways. Regardless, I'm tending to lead more super town on Milo and just going with Occam's razor on this.


VE's reaction felt kind of fake to me right now as well BUT he did want to go on Chocolate over the blue AND on top of that, I'm kind of scared because everytime I read his posts, I read it in his voice and if he starts going on me... basically I don't want to see the torrential downpour of VE rage falling on me. (In all seriousness, I'm slightly reading him town for his earlier posts but in the case of my death, I do want people to keep a close eye on him).


I'll have to reread filters when I wake up but for now, I had a scum read on onegu and damdred as well but I don't remember the reasons well enough to confidently explain why.





OHHH and don't get me started on TickTock's reaction. How did I miss that one. The fakest thing I've ever read in my life. I'm almost ready to vote on him instantly when the day starts off that. God, it's because the two letter acronyms are so confusing... TT, GG, SL, KS, VE, blah blah blah....


Templar also feels townier post EoD but I don't know if I can wipe his slate clean mentally after day 1... Actually, that's kind of a lie. He doesn't really feel townier to me but I like his reads so I'm just going to call him leaning town. He doesn't like damdred and onegu, he doesn't like ticktock, I just need him to say his stance on chocolate and I need it to be "chocolate is mafia we should lynch him." I'd say shame on you templar for voting on our blue but if you're town, I would've had you dead so either way one of us would be at fault. (P.S. say chocolate is scum and you'll have me in your pocket for the next 1-2 days)


Honestly, it was kind of hard for me to follow this game and I could feel myself getting lurkier and lurkier but I think this blue kill got me all worked up. Despite how bad it is for us (is jailkeeper dying even that bad? is it a strong role?) it's pretty exciting and I think the game is really starting to move forward.

On June 06 2015 10:33 Onegu wrote:
Chezniu rule is what is about to apply to me. And we are going to us it to get our lynch today on Shendelzare. Basicly it means I play so randomly that who wants push my lynch is scum. Chez rule is first to call him scum. Onegu rule is people continuing to push his lynch.

##Vote Shendelzare

Milo would be a ok vote also. Willing to vote either.

On June 06 2015 10:58 Damdred wrote:
Why did both of you suddenly drop your scum reads on damdred?

tick built a case on me and oneg was so sure I was scum he single voted on me.

Neither of you are pushing me now when... Nothing had happened

On June 05 2015 21:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
scott can you level your accusation at me ONE more time? You say that I "pocketed" you early? Can you maybe go through that one for me? You say you're suspicious of me. Tell me why.

On June 04 2015 23:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Here's where I'm sitting currently:

Town:
ritoky
scott
Nydus
Kickstart
Fidei
Ticktock

Won't Lynch Today / I WANNA say town, but I just can't yet for some reason:
Damdred
Onegu

People I'd probably lynch in spite of them probably being spewed town:
sicklucker

People I'm looking at filters right now to decide if I think they are the lynch today instead of Chocolate:
GGTemplar

People I'd lynch remorselessly:
Chocolate
milo

People I'll worry about later:
Everyone else.

On June 06 2015 12:52 Damdred wrote:
So let me get this straight, you e played like one game with me and think you can mets read me and have a firm grasp of my game?

But your meta read is that I don't help town as either alignment that's bullshit Scott, total bullshit.

On June 06 2015 13:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
You know I think I've got this game 99% solved

My continued townreads:
Kickstart
Ritoky
Milo
Nydus
Fideu
sicluck(shendel)

Upper-Null:
Chocolate
VE
Damdred

Lower-Null:
Onegu
Scott

Mafia:
Tictock

Honestly I think after we lynch Tictock we just start killing up the list. I am more inclined to believe that my townread on VE was a bit hasty, and I continue to not really have a strong read on chocolate but I just like the vibe I get from reading his posts.

With regards to Scotts vs Damdred's large posts the past couple pages, I actually liked some of Damdred's points and the general direction he pushed. I can't say I got a scummy vibe from Scotts but I didn't get a townie vibe either. Onegu just hasn't done anything.

There is probably one mafia hiding in my town reads//upper null reads.

At this point my priority is getting Tictock lynched. The rest of you should start focusing on Onegu/Scott/Damdred/VE/Chocolate. I believe the rest of the mafia team lies in there.

On June 06 2015 13:43 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I have nothing on VE, he might even be below Damdred at this point. It just seems like he has tunneled Chocolate the entire game TBH for reasons I never really picked up on.

This list is more accurate:

Town:
Kickstart
Ritoky
Milo
Fideu
Sickluck(shendel)
Nydus

Upper-null:
Damdred
Chocolate
VE

Lower-null:
Scott
Onegu

Mafia:
Tictock

On June 06 2015 13:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
In fact, several people have intimated suspicion that if Chocolate is mafia then GG is mafia with him. Maybe we SHOULD lynch Chocolate today. Nah.

On June 06 2015 19:44 Onegu wrote:
Damdred falls under the Onegu rule also. He goes from I cant read onegu well IDK need more time. To onegu looks really bad, he best lynch for no reason.

GG
S-word
Damdred

Scumteam^

On June 06 2015 20:47 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Also Damdred continues to look better than Onegu at this rate.

On June 07 2015 04:56 Fidei86 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Scott

Ritoky had less to say about scott, probably because scott just hasn't been as active as Ticktock (or, at least, it seems that way). Still, right at the end, in his table, ritoky wrote next to scott's name "very different from previous game".

I've also had a scum read on scott for a while. Reading through his filter, I just don't think he has every contributed much of value. He posts lots of lists, but they generally only refer to vague feelings, rather than anything more substantive. He also has a serious tendency to respond to questions or comments with a "what do you think?" or "what's your list", which I think looks like a tactic to avoid answering questions.

One thing in particular that I didn't like was where, when the Chocolate/Kickstarter thing was getting started, he had his vote on Chocolate. He then posted in the midst of it all here that "I'm starting to think both wagons are town". However, he didn't move his vote off Chocolate. That's a big tell to me. If he had honestly believed that, and was town himself, the logical thing would have been to try and look for a different candidate. In fact, both Chocolate and I were pushing an Onegu policy vote around that time, which would have succeeded if he had come on board and helped us to get one or two more supporters.
+ Show Spoiler +
TL;DR: ritoky was suspicious of scott and TT, so it makes sense for them to NK him

On June 05 2015 12:52 NydusHerMain wrote:
These are my thoughts on the last couple of pages because I came home late and have to go to sleep soon.



Seems like a really weak reaction to me. It doesn't really feel genuine at all. Also, I'm not sure about Chocolate but if I were getting potentially lynched and it was getting close to EoD, I would've constantly refreshed. I call BS on him not noticing the time and saying "I would have killed myself" because he posted his last words before the EoD was over. Also, if he truely had the intent of dying for the blue, he probably would have at least tried to vote even if it was exactly on EoD (which would probably have been too late) just incase but he didn't even try.

TL;DR: Chocolate was there to take the death for the team and he lied about sacrificing himself had he had more time


With respect to Milo, people have already said this but I'm town reading the hell out of him now. Day 1 it was a light town read but his switch to a nonvote when the blue claimed solidifies him to my top town. The only doubt in my mind is if Chocolate flips as scum because the only reason for Milo to nonvote in my opinion is either he was panicking town or he was mafia with Chocolate and just didn't know what to do or knew that the blue was going to die by default anyways. Regardless, I'm tending to lead more super town on Milo and just going with Occam's razor on this.


VE's reaction felt kind of fake to me right now as well BUT he did want to go on Chocolate over the blue AND on top of that, I'm kind of scared because everytime I read his posts, I read it in his voice and if he starts going on me... basically I don't want to see the torrential downpour of VE rage falling on me. (In all seriousness, I'm slightly reading him town for his earlier posts but in the case of my death, I do want people to keep a close eye on him).


I'll have to reread filters when I wake up but for now, I had a scum read on onegu and damdred as well but I don't remember the reasons well enough to confidently explain why.





OHHH and don't get me started on TickTock's reaction. How did I miss that one. The fakest thing I've ever read in my life. I'm almost ready to vote on him instantly when the day starts off that. God, it's because the two letter acronyms are so confusing... TT, GG, SL, KS, VE, blah blah blah....


Templar also feels townier post EoD but I don't know if I can wipe his slate clean mentally after day 1... Actually, that's kind of a lie. He doesn't really feel townier to me but I like his reads so I'm just going to call him leaning town. He doesn't like damdred and onegu, he doesn't like ticktock, I just need him to say his stance on chocolate and I need it to be "chocolate is mafia we should lynch him." I'd say shame on you templar for voting on our blue but if you're town, I would've had you dead so either way one of us would be at fault. (P.S. say chocolate is scum and you'll have me in your pocket for the next 1-2 days)


Honestly, it was kind of hard for me to follow this game and I could feel myself getting lurkier and lurkier but I think this blue kill got me all worked up. Despite how bad it is for us (is jailkeeper dying even that bad? is it a strong role?) it's pretty exciting and I think the game is really starting to move forward.

On June 05 2015 01:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote:


I really hate Kickstart's play this game if he is town because I think it's like super scummy, but just based on how the game has gone I think there is no way you can both be mafia and this post you made right here reads scummier than Kickstart's which i would have to attribute to misguided town at this point.

You already have Kickstart's support at this point and both want to kill me. Why openly start doubting him now as a town? I think you are worried about losing the 'pocket' you have on him so you are intentionally expressing fake 'distrust' in an attempt to continue projecting town.

You end your post simply concluding again that you continue to like your 'ally' though and think he is town for 'looking elsewhere in the game besides templar' for pushing scum on milo. I think it was all just very fake.

Plus it lines up with the Chezinu Rule (which, again, I feel Scott misused here as Ritoky noted, but that it can be used as an accusation against Ticktock more accurately)

On June 07 2015 07:52 Fidei86 wrote:
Okay, so I thought I might provoke a reaction here, but woooooooow.

Your first post made no sense. We had plenty of time to get an alternative wagon going. KS only got four votes - two or three thrown somewhere else would have been enough. And moreover, it shouldn't really matter - if you thought Chocolate was town, you shouldn't have been voting for him, period. Looking back at it now, it looks like you could have been just laying the groundwork for reticence after the event.

Your second post comes across horribly, to me anyway. Why would you want me to vote for you? If you're town, you'd want to convince me I'm wrong. I wasn't aggressive in my post, and I don't think I was rude (certainly much less than others have been in this thread). so rather than swearing, why not make a case? and if there is something you think I'd missed (ie the other ritoky game) then you could have at least linked to it and explained why my interpretation is wrong. You didn't do that.

Because if you are town, you would not be lazy enough yourself to build this "case" on me and find out for yourself. TL Mafia Database? profile my name? Unless you type at 120wpm you would have been able to find it in the time you took to write this.


Then you immediately transition to making a more substantive post, but without referencing my accusation that your posts aren't overly detailed. if I was wrong, you could have pointed out previous posts where you did (ie that I was wrong), but you didn't.

Finally, you say that you want me gone. But you don't actually give a reason. The natural town thing, if you want to get a Mafia lynched, is to make an argument that other townies might buy. But you didn't do that either.
*Bolded my replies in your quote so they are not missed*

In my latest posts I think I have shown it enough - your vote switch would stick out at me. If you want me to build a case on you, I'm down for that. I got allllll day.

Overall, your posts come across like you're panicking at having been called out.

The reason I haven't voted on you yet is because I also think TT is Mafia, and it seems like there's more chance of getting a coalition to vote him off for now. But if there isn't much movement in the next 12 hours or so, I'll vote for you - unless you turn it around and make a real case that you're town.

On June 07 2015 22:22 Damdred wrote:
How about we lynch sls slot or nydus, literally nydus still has no reads (well has some just that chocolate wagon all town rest of game scum).

Kinda meh even about lynching the Sl slot though

On June 06 2015 12:19 Chocolate wrote:
Sorry for my absence, got a longish car ride tomorrow so I'll hopefully be able to be pretty active

On June 08 2015 00:22 Chocolate wrote:
Really sorry guys my vacation ends in two days so if I'm still alive then I'll be a lot more active

Right now I have close to no idea who scum is but I'd say prolly not GGT and maybe Shen or VE

On June 07 2015 15:54 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Just posting this for post-game

Mafia:
Tictock
1 of VE or Onegu
1 of Damdred or Scott

Town:
Kickstart
Ritoky
Nydus
Milo
Sicklucker/shendel
Fidei
Chocolate

On June 07 2015 15:54 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Just posting this for post-game

Mafia:
Tictock
1 of VE or Onegu
1 of Damdred or Scott

Town:
Kickstart
Ritoky
Nydus
Milo
Sicklucker/shendel
Fidei
Chocolate

On June 08 2015 09:05 Tictock wrote:
Least I know I'm surviving till D3!

No way does scum kill me tonight, lol.

On June 08 2015 09:24 Tictock wrote:
@Scott

Yea I'll get on that. Will need some time to read what I missed what at work.

Initial reactions... Most of the votes looked like sheep who correctly read GG as town. Fidei is the only person who voted me who clearly had his own reasons.

As such I'll be focusing on his posts first.

After I finish my dinner and get settled in for the night. Lurking while I eat.

On June 08 2015 13:02 Tictock wrote:
I think I want to filter dive Damdred next, as I found his play shifted a lot in style today. I do agree with everything he said about GG, though maybe it was a bit odd to see him sheep VE.

Idk, given how this game has gone I'm tempted to think we either have a scum team that is mostly lurking and letting town fight amongst town + Show Spoiler + OR it is a team of more advanced players, possibly with one of the newer plays. Since I know our wagons D2 were both on town, I'm tempted to think lurking scum is the most likely.

I was also trying to figure out why I didn't like the tone of Fidei's posts (the WIFOM stuff and the large series of posts changing his thinking. I randomly figured it out while going through Nydus' filter. He looks a lot like one of the newbie scum in NSM X. That guy spent a lot of the early game asking basic noob questions & looking like he didn't know what he was doing and then spent lots of posts "lost in thought" discussing things others told him were best left along (role hunting/suggesting).

@ Scott
Is it just me of does Fidei's play look pretty similar to BF's last game? Not sure it makes him scum, I just found the similarity unsettling once I noticed it.

On June 08 2015 09:46 Chocolate wrote:

probably you are #3

scott why the FUCK would you want to vote me

On June 08 2015 11:19 Chocolate wrote:

I am going to post a decent amount tomorrow via phone because I have a very long car ride.

Next day I will probably be pretty active

On June 08 2015 07:00 scott31337 wrote:
I'm the most town read and a mislynch would be difficult



If we go over Ritoky's list -he thinks more of Chocolate town if Templar flips town. although this is from day 1 though

Here's GG's list -



Day 2 Final Vote Count

Shendelzare(0): Onegu
Chocolate(0): Tictock, NydusHerMain
Onegu(0): Scott, Damdred, NydusHerMain
Tictock(4): GGTemplar, GGTemplar, Fidei86, Chocolate, NydusHerMain
GGTemplar(6): VisceraEyes, Onegu, Tictock, Scott, Damdred, Shendelzare, Scott
VisceraEyes(0): GGTemplar
NydusHerMain(0): Damdred
Fidei86(0): Scott
Damdred(1): milo109

Since GG flipped town and mafia knew this was coming, i suspect at most only one mafia on him.
So we have Milo with his wasted vote.
Every one else in Tictock

I'm going to expand on this later, got some things to do.

On June 08 2015 09:39 Chocolate wrote:
TT
VE
someone else

are mafia
Just got to find #3

On June 08 2015 09:46 Chocolate wrote:

probably you are #3

scott why the FUCK would you want to vote me

On June 07 2015 20:28 NydusHerMain wrote:
Oh and if chocolate flips scum I think the votes make it very clear who his scum team can and can't be.

Day 1 Vote Count

Tictock(1): sicklucker <- shendalakajfkldsjfldjsal
Chocolate(4): VisceraEyes, Scott, Kickstart, Tictock
GGTemplar(1): NydusHerMain
Kickstart(4): Damdred, Chocolate, ritoky, Fidei86
Damdred(1) Onegu

Not Voting (2): GGTemplar, milo109
+ Show Spoiler +
Those are the people that mostly come to mind in my thoughts.

On June 07 2015 20:16 NydusHerMain wrote:
Rereading chocolate's filter, his reads don't seem to evolve naturally. It just seems really fucking awkward to read at all.

Starting from this post to this post. For the tl;dr, basically he mentions scott being his top scum and when he starts to finally town read scott he doesn't ever mention why in between and randomly just says "oh obviously this read is different now" without even explicitly calling scott town.

Looking at this post he finally gives his first set of reasons for his list of reads but he never actually mentions scott his once top scum and now obviously a town read. Now I want to note one thing, no templar read here and this is very important imo. I urge you guys to read this post very carefully. He calls scott town for his case against TEMPLAR (and scott was calling templar mafia and even was voting on him at this point based on the fucking chezblahblah rule) and never once mentioned templar until this point. Not only that, he calls templar likely town for what reason? That he's townier in his filter and that people are trying to bury his discussion under stuff. Scott's literal accusation versus templar is chezblahblah rule. What other reason could there be to bury his discussion under "stuff?" How could chocolate possibly be townreading Scott at this point?


So let's cole's note this shit because my writing style sucks:
- calls scott number 1 scum
- never mentions scott until scott magically turns town (or obviously changed read) with no justification other than "posts more"
- townreads scott for his chez accusation against templar who chocolate thinks is town
- chocolate calls templar town for the first time in the same post claiming that people are trying to bury him with bs
- chez rule

Like wtf is this shit?


Moving on, we look at the KS situation. Referring back to his initial set up reads in this post in case you guys don't want to scroll back up, we see that KS is "very unlikely to be mafia" for Chocolate. Another post reinforcing his belief. 2-3 posts later dem be flippin' dem pancakes lyke in dis post. Really, so after calling KS town this entire time, you suddenly flip because he votes on you use that pretty much dumb point to potentially push scum on him? The fact that he might be deflecting off someone? Okay. This post lacks any original thought but pretty much opens up the idea that he might just be saying KS is scum because he wants to live. Then he says this where KS magically jumps to the front of the line for scum after he said KS is really unlikely to be scum just because it's a vote between him and KS. The is literally making up points against KS in this post or at least it feels ridiculously ingenuine to me.

Basically, my point is, nothing Chocolate says feels natural and it feels like he's just making up reads and giving reads for the sake of giving them. He isn't actually trying to scum hunt and he's flipping like a fucking pancake for no reason. There's no train of logic with him, only a survival instinct and for me, that's indicative of scum.

I've also saved the best for last:
"Cry me a riverrrrr" I've never seen a weaker and FAKER reaction than this.

On June 08 2015 18:55 Fidei86 wrote:
I've just had a quick read over VE's filter and I'll concede that I was wrong - he has not been lurking Day 2. However, he did spend basically all of Day 2 going after Templar. I'm all over the place on VE right now. I need to re-read Damdred's filter, because I have this nagging feeling that one of them is mafia, and I can't figure out which.

@TT I'll try and read Damdred's filter at lunch and come back with thoughts.

On June 09 2015 04:48 milo109 wrote:
When I voted you, there was only two votes on Tick. If I'd been back in time, I would have switched to him. It wouldn't have changed anything, but you're right, that would have been the correct play. Still. Just because I think Templar was town doesn't mean I think he is correct on everything. I still don't think Tick is hard scum. My statement on the two scum in voters if tick rock is scum is for future reference. Just thought he would have been a better lynch than Templar. Which is correct, considering we know he was town. As for not pushing you, read my filter. Almost all of my posts have been defending town and trying to get you(scum) lynched. Also. How can you think I'm pushing scum on everyone? I've pushed hard on three people this game. KS/You/VE. Notice two of you are still alive. KS was a mistake that I panicked and tried to rectify. I didn't correctly understand plurality, and I didn't realize I needed to vote Chcolate, which I didn't want to do.


Onto the future: I want to lynch Damdred. He did indeed vote on both town. Why is he proud of that? He spends most of his post calling everything I've done except the vote scummy and then doesn't even have the courage to lynch me until day 5(Which if we don't lynch a mafia by then, won't happen.) He knows I have too much town cred over my unvote to lynch me, so he'll try to get courage cred by mildly scum reading me while mislynching town. If you keep lynching in the Me/Chocolate/Fidei/Templar circle you're going to lose. I believe that we are all town. If Damdred flips town I'll revaluate but until we lynch outside that world, we can't move forward. I implore you town, don' t be swayed.

On June 09 2015 04:55 milo109 wrote:
Also I typed that on my iPhone. So look at it as my commitment to stop slacking.

On June 06 2015 19:36 Onegu wrote:



Onegu rule applies to him also. I am down. But really the S named dude who replaced in is 100% mafia or Im not VT.


I am VT.

On June 04 2015 23:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Here's where I'm sitting currently:

Town:
ritoky
scott
Nydus
Kickstart
Fidei
Ticktock

Won't Lynch Today / I WANNA say town, but I just can't yet for some reason:
Damdred
Onegu

People I'd probably lynch in spite of them probably being spewed town:
sicklucker

People I'm looking at filters right now to decide if I think they are the lynch today instead of Chocolate:
GGTemplar

People I'd lynch remorselessly:
Chocolate
milo

People I'll worry about later:
Everyone else.

On June 09 2015 07:00 Fidei86 wrote:
One crazy thought I just had is that the scum team is VE, Damdred and Chocolate, and VE and Damdred have been trying to bus Chocolate all game, but the town keep screwing it up and voting for townies.

On June 09 2015 07:22 Damdred wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
So no I don't think I am 100% sure that I think everyone is town xcept for four people. I think onegs town I guess but I wouldn't want to take him to lylo either (shrug).
+ Show Spoiler +

On June 09 2015 01:41 Chocolate wrote:
I've been reading the filters of both VE and TT from d1. I'm on a phone so it would be hell on earth for me to do a shitton of quoting so here it goes:

Both call each other town pretty early on
Both push votes on townies (though of course I am not confirmed townie)
As soon as I park a very early vote on TT, VE scum reads me
I'm pretty sure all of TTs d1 list (GG, me, milo, SL) is town and gives him flexibility to bandwagon as he pleases
Additionally, although his posts regarding me are all cautious (need to read more, you are all three probably town) he puts me second on his list

I'll read n1 and d2 soon too but again I'm on my phone so it takes me a while to structure a post adequately
Still not sure who third scum is, at this point I'm finding damdred unlikely

On June 09 2015 08:04 Fidei86 wrote:
Where did I say I wanted to lynch you? I can't read you well, and I'd probably vote for you over milo, but at the moment I'm questioning everything. But yes, if I had to give a list, it would be:

Town: milo
Null: Chocolate, NHM, VE, Damdred
Mafia: Scott, TT
Policy: Onegu

I recognise that's very "middle of the road" of me, I'm just struggling.

On June 10 2015 03:41 Chocolate wrote:

Ve has been a pretty strong scum read of mine for a while, I just haven't been able to convince anyone else for a while so it's not something I'm going to keep pushing

On June 08 2015 13:02 Tictock wrote:
I think I want to filter dive Damdred next, as I found his play shifted a lot in style today. I do agree with everything he said about GG, though maybe it was a bit odd to see him sheep VE.

Idk, given how this game has gone I'm tempted to think we either have a scum team that is mostly lurking and letting town fight amongst town + Show Spoiler + OR it is a team of more advanced players, possibly with one of the newer plays. Since I know our wagons D2 were both on town, I'm tempted to think lurking scum is the most likely.

I was also trying to figure out why I didn't like the tone of Fidei's posts (the WIFOM stuff and the large series of posts changing his thinking. I randomly figured it out while going through Nydus' filter. He looks a lot like one of the newbie scum in NSM X. That guy spent a lot of the early game asking basic noob questions & looking like he didn't know what he was doing and then spent lots of posts "lost in thought" discussing things others told him were best left along (role hunting/suggesting).

@ Scott
Is it just me of does Fidei's play look pretty similar to BF's last game? Not sure it makes him scum, I just found the similarity unsettling once I noticed it.

On June 05 2015 03:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
This game is so weird, the people I DON'T expect to have reads on me do and the people I DO expect to have reads on me don't.

On June 04 2015 23:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
I came out of hibernation to give a ride or die townread on scott. Good job buddy.

On June 06 2015 17:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
And just in case anyone else had any fucking doubt, this is what VE looks like when he's town and tries.

On June 08 2015 01:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Damdred just look at what Chocolate says about why he is voting for me EoD1. After he comes to this "realization" that he's just OMGUSing me and that I may be town or whatever, he KEEPS voting for me because "he doesn't have any other mafia reads" and when he DOES finally vote for Kickstart (because he's the only other realistic wagon) he EVEN SAYS that it's just to save his life. He NEVER had any mafia reads during D1, and I think that he AS mafia just didn't want to piss anyone off.

On June 08 2015 10:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yup, still not mafia.

Obviously I have to reevaluate. I'll be back before dawn or whatever.

On June 09 2015 07:00 Fidei86 wrote:
One crazy thought I just had is that the scum team is VE, Damdred and Chocolate, and VE and Damdred have been trying to bus Chocolate all game, but the town keep screwing it up and voting for townies.

On June 10 2015 07:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Bad idea. I'm town, just AFK.

On June 11 2015 02:46 milo109 wrote:
Scott. You honestly think that I saw a soft, prewrote an unvote, and then just started refreshing the page every 15 seconds hoping he would claim?

On June 11 2015 14:10 Tictock wrote:
Fuck, I'm too pissed off at how this game has been going (and work was pretty shitty tonight too) so I think I'm gunna hold off doing filters and shit till Day phase.

Hopefully mafia kills me tonight, I'm fairly over this game right now...

I'm not even sure who I'd suggest you guys look into if I do die, Onegu, VE, and Nydus are who I'm disliking most atm. I'd like to look into Scott a little more before I call him scum...

I'll be around if anyone wants to chat.

On June 11 2015 15:59 Tictock wrote:
@Scott

Lol I'll take one of those, I hope that's the conciliatory prize when Town looses one of these games.

You say VE didn't wig out, does him rolling over make sense for his Townplay? Like I'd honestly preffer if he had at least shared an opinion and called out people for being bad than just going "f this, I've done shit, vote choco".

I'm also unsure why you'd want to sheep me after those last 2 posts >.<

Like I'd be willing to sheep Damdred right now, but the last wagon he built killed our blue role (sorry Dam, I'm prob not gunna let that one go)

I think it's a safe bet that tonight it's one of Damdred, Scott, or I to die.

On June 11 2015 16:17 Tictock wrote:
I'm also regretting going with my w/e read on Onegu and getting to this point in the game where we still aren't sure on him...

If he had done a little more with his reads before EoD I would be fine with him, but since he's just relentless pushin on Dam who I'm fairly certain is town I'm not sure...

I'm also not sure that actually makes Onegu scum from what I'm understanding of his style... Ugh

On June 11 2015 16:44 Onegu wrote:



Dont like this post btw. Seem more like scum taunting...

On June 12 2015 00:41 Onegu wrote:


Yeah I didnt like that post...

On June 12 2015 04:10 Damdred wrote:
Ve looks towny in his last few posts hrm.

This is a hard game.

On June 12 2015 04:19 NydusHerMain wrote:
My town are Scott onegu ticktock for the day. I'll explain in 4 hours

On June 12 2015 04:50 Fidei86 wrote:
I'm actually down for lynching NHM just for that unbelievably shitty read. Everyone has me and milo as confirmed town. Onegu has done nothing alignment indicative at all. All game. I can understand TT as town - I don't agree with it but he at least appears to have been trying. But Scott hasn't. He's just piggybacked all game. I didn't have a read on NHM because he's essentially been a lurker, but I can't believe any town would have that read.

On June 12 2015 09:27 Damdred wrote:
It's not switching on a town read it's context put together with a myriad of other things.

For example my swap on Scott started n2 I believe when I started having mild to heavy paranoia when dealing with him. I said ok he seemed brownish.

However when I went over his filter I,noted what changed for,me and I stated it. That's not crummy.

However siding with oneg and saying you need to,check me again because he said I'm scum is dubious.

And then saying during the day that you have to,double,check,me again,because of my case on Scott. Shows a clear lack of continuation from your reads.

Ie you had a town read on me because of the effort I put in last night, now you are scamming me for almost the exact same thing.

On June 10 2015 22:14 Fidei86 wrote:
BTW I want to call it here and now, I think the mafia team is Ticktock, Scott and VE.

One thing really struck me about the GGT wagon - it was basically entirely started by VE, but only after GGT had raised utter hell about Ticktock already. And that was on top of VE having previously had a mortal lock scum read on Chocolate. There was literally no reason not to continue to push for the Chocolate lynch, especially because plenty of other townies were crowing for him to be lynched as well (indeed, Shen continued to advocate it for a while). I don't see why VE would move off one of his "confirmed mafia" onto another, particularly as GGT was literally tunnel-visioned on Ticktock. I see no reason why a townie VE ships his vote from Chocolate to GGT, except to try and "bury" the Ticktock train that might have started to form.

I'm very happy to be talked down from this, but that's how I see things.

On June 10 2015 22:25 Fidei86 wrote:
I think you could plausibly swap out scott for Onegu in my theory, since Onegu has essentially contributed nothing to this game and has, in my view, thrown it to the mafia. I don't think he's mafia, but there's literally no point trying to give him a sensible read, because he hasn't contributed enough to make any such read worthwhile.

On June 12 2015 12:23 Tictock wrote:
I'm still in the process of reading Damdred's filter (I decided to do that first before Scott's)

@ Scott

You seem to be oddly unphased by Damdred making a case on you and voting you. So far you've stated that you kinda just want to sheep me today, however you also posted this



Are you still thinking we should lynch Onegu today?

What if I told you I'm finding that Damdred is absolutely town and that I've decided to sheep his case on you?

Who would you like to lynch today?

On June 12 2015 13:40 Damdred wrote:
I'd also curious why Scott decided to vote me and then come into thread and push tick instead of scum read damdred

On June 12 2015 14:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
That answer was balls. You said you're starting to think Onegu is town. You said that for a reason. Now you say you had no reason, and you're voting for him. Have you read his reasons for thinking Damdred is mafia?

On June 12 2015 14:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like everyone go look at Onegu's filter in Carnival Cruise. You'll notice that his filter size is about the same, but the content is WILDLY different. He actually gives reasons for his suspicions and references posts and explains what he's thinking. In this game it's just been a blind Damdred push all game long, mostly for no reason other than his "Onegu Rule" which doesn't even make any sense.

I think he's probably mafia this game, and I think that's why Fidei died. Because he was suspicious of scott and Onegu.

On June 12 2015 15:00 Tictock wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Damdred and VE... if you two are in fact both scum this game and I'm just walking right into another mislynch... I'll be very cross with you post game.

##Vote: Scott

On June 13 2015 04:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm now evaluating a world in which BOTH Damdred AND Ticktock are tryharding as mafia and I'm just fucking retarded.

Please standby.

On June 12 2015 11:50 milo109 wrote:
Alright. Let's look at the worlds.

Quick thoughts on votes.
Day 1
It seems impossible to believe that zero mafia voted on our blue. Also... I actually think wasting your vote there was towny. Both mislynch targets were town. Mafia could have hopped on any bandwagon they wanted.

Day 2:
GGTemplar was also an easy person to call scummy, so I think that at least two of the mafia were on him.

Day 3:
What sucks is that the same people are voting on the easy mislynches.

Correlations and conclusions:
I don't think Ticktock and NMH can both be scum and I don't think Onegu and Damdred are both scum.
I also think just from voting that Onegu is town. Ticktock is also probably town. Just need to find one more. Either way, from voting and play, Damdred is a good lynch. He's playing like scum trying to close out a game.

On June 03 2015 07:12 scott31337 wrote:


I know how you don't like to give away your "magic secret meta tricks" but can you elaborate a little more on this? I just showed the MMM2 game you were scummates and he showed his XXX town game. What's the difference you see?

On June 03 2015 07:08 scott31337 wrote:
I like Kickstart's post so far, slight town read

On June 04 2015 15:36 scott31337 wrote:
Who would you be willing to lynch beyond GG, Kickstart?

On June 05 2015 03:14 scott31337 wrote:


VE just stealth voted onto GG - I'm about 70% GG is town just by how the votes are going. The case can't be that great...

I already have a spider sense someone who's pocketing me is mafia - just need to figure out who.

On June 05 2015 05:55 ritoky wrote:


this EXACT read is why i am defending chocolate and templar. they did the same shit you did that game. it is literally the same scenario. i just realized it too late in that game.

On June 05 2015 14:47 scott31337 wrote:


The second paragraph is crap - Kick announced at 59 after and nobody would have time to change their vote. I was suspicious of the unvote because who had both threads open at the time? Even my having the internet in 1992 linux skills and bolding in time I would not have been able to pull it off.

I do not like your coloring either.
Dumb town or try to hard scum.

On June 05 2015 15:40 scott31337 wrote:
11:30pm - thoughts

One of VE/Damred/Ritoky is mafia, maybe two. VE pocketed me early, a little too early. I'm suspicious of him.
Ritoky is playing really well if he is mafia, better then what I have read. I really want to town read him, but, see above.
Onegu is a meta town read - Needs to show up D2/D3 - which he normally does.
GG Is a town read, and maybe ritoky is throwing my chain, but I got lynched in Newbie X D1 for the same reasons. Keep an eye out - like I mentioned, when Day three comes and they are not dead, start to worry.
Chocolate I have not liked since the start - and maybe mafia moved their votes to protect their guy - It's too early to tell. I still do not like him - still scummy
Ritoky - I really like his thoughts and I want him to be town so we can win - I have seen his play before as well though confusing us - and Kickstart saw it a little bit as well - Another D3 worry - I want to like him though.
Fidei86 - crap.
Milo - crap.
TicTock - He improved his game a lot if he rolled scum this time. We talked back and forth and I think he's town. Day 4 then be worried.

On June 07 2015 05:47 scott31337 wrote:
I'll take a page from Damdred's book

If you think I'm scum fucking vote me

On June 07 2015 06:58 scott31337 wrote:
I see a slight townlean from reading NHM's filter - I know I gave him shit for this post earlier on the coloring -


I see a lot of honesty here for some reason. Admits to being a little lurky (which Scum normally wants to try not to stand out) and how important JK is (could've asked in the mafia QT?) He's a slight town lean. I don't like his Tictock read - with Tic's big case I like him a little more, but he isn't Tunneltock either and if he thinks someone is mafia as town, he will tunnel Unless he's learning his mistake.

On June 07 2015 08:01 scott31337 wrote:


We both may be misguided on Tictock and he is mafia, but I'm really doubtful of it at this time. The only thing that makes me wonder is he is not TunnelTock like our last game, but that's not that important. He still gets a townread.

If you are actually town, beyond me, who would you like to lynch? Who do you see as the scumteam?

On June 08 2015 13:58 scott31337 wrote:


There's a "vet" in the scum team, and that is why Ritoky is dead.

And by vet I mean Onegu/VE/Damdred.

I have not like Fidei's play but let me re-read his filter - The game is over now.

I think it is a litle unsettling you call out that game though, SPIDEY SENSE going off.

Fuck me.

On June 09 2015 03:51 scott31337 wrote:
Shendel/Tictock are town, they are trying to solve the game.

Slight towns on Onegu/VE/Milo109, but I'm pretty sure there's a vet in the scum team (Onegu/VE/Damdred) - Milo's eod1 unvote was pretty towny, but like I mentioned, don't give him a free pass if he keeps slacking

Damdred's play hasn't been too impressive, and can see what he is doing as mafia

Fidei/Chocolate/NYM - so if the above is true on the vets, then one of these are town. After D1 his play Chocolate's play went to shit.

Choc-





And to answer your question - because you have shit the bed after day one, if it's legit vacationing or just reasons to not post - you also say who I think are town are mafia. If you are active and start doing some critical analysis, that help town with their PoE (Process of elimination) If everyone craps town rainbows, the mafia have no where to hide.

NYM-



His list post here is allright - although he had GGTemplar as red, GG called him out that he's been mafia siding all game and wants SL back, and then he does his "Templar is town" with little time left before the lynch - to look better?
His post here though


Makes me think he is a town lean though - He's going thru Chocolate's thought process and sees an unnatural flow.

Fidei-

A lot of phone posting and one liners - He also had to half scum me in that Ritoky WIFOM post.
Fidei - can you follow up on this for me?

Because you might be on something here.

Keep re-evaluating guys, we got two ML's left, and we can get scum tomorrow, we'll have something to start checking with their filter and finding the other two. I have faith in you If I make it thru the night, I'll do some more digging, make Onegu post a case (You can do it!) among other things.

On June 10 2015 05:57 scott31337 wrote:
So here is a VE game as scum that he survives until the end. Carnival Cruise Mafia Mafia Absorber Survived Night 5
When the worry is off him (about day 3) he doesn't post for shit until a "Sorry catch up in the thread" - The obvious town in obviousone calls him out and VE starts posting like a madman again. He says Obviousone is scum as well. VE wins the game.

Hmmm looks awfully familiar

On June 10 2015 06:15 scott31337 wrote:
You know what, I'll feel better if I lose because I took a stand then just let VE do nothing and win as mafia while we all kill each other.

On June 10 2015 06:48 scott31337 wrote:


Who were these people?





And yes, this is the pocket I was referring to if you are mafia - get on my good side?

The Won't lynch today pile you have -

Won't Lynch Today / I WANNA say town, but I just can't yet for some reason:
Damdred
Onegu

You have not interacted with either of these people at all when you got to this. Has this changed?







Wow, you do actually interact with Damdred... Once...



Yeah...



This tinfoil fits soooo well though.

On June 11 2015 08:31 scott31337 wrote:
Sigh. Triple LYLO? great...

Well I sure kicked up my game as well If I am scum, just like Tictock. Sounds like Damd wants to go after me and GG it out - not surprised. Let's see how well that will work. I'll re-read after a bit though.

On June 14 2015 04:24 Tictock wrote:
Sorry guys I'm not able to be active today, my entire morning has been pumping water out of my basement >.<

I'm pretty sure we are on the right track with scott here, and sorry but I'm going to have to leave my vote there since i simply have no time today to follow discussion.

Just in case there are still any doubts..

THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!