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On June 04 2015 04:11 scott31337 wrote:I'm back now - Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 17:49 Fidei86 wrote:
Hey guys I'm back online.
I have to admit, I'm a little blown away by how much back and forth there was. I guess there's no other way to do forum mafia, but still, it's tough. I sort of feel like I should print out all of your names on a big A3 page and then draw lines between each of you representing defences and accusations. In fact, if anyone has the time to do that, I think it would be helpful (especially later in the game, when nobody can be bothered to go through a bazillion pages of text).
My only reads, and I admit they are very weak, are on Kickstarter and Viscera. I thought that both have taken a somewhat 'holier-than-thou' tone in their posts. Kickstarter started off with a very lecture-y post which felt to me like an attempt to stake out his town credentials before the mud began to fly. Then again, maybe that's just how he is as town, I dunno. Viscera has similarly been very confident in his/her posts, which is suspicious to me because I'm just not sure about anything at this point. I do not like this post. It really does not say much and have any conclusions - although he shares the same ideas with VE as I do - Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 01:42 Fidei86 wrote:
VE - in particular, I agree with his read on scott and GG, and also on KS. I also think he has a point about the way you entered the thread (and this is something I've said before as well). None of that is to say that I have a strong read on him either way, I just don't agree that anything he has said or done obviously makes him mafia. I'm going to keep an eye on him for now. Damdred never did reply to my meta question and has magic meta townreads, but we wait until Day 2 unless something comes up. VE is noting Chocolate is trying to get a easy ML on me, I like where he's going with this - and I don't think it's a VE pocket, although I've seen him play like that either way. From how Milo defended himself I believe he is town. I still like Kickstart although the thread consensus seems to be the opposite. I'll reread a few pages of the thread I was pretty blitzed last night when I did so.
do you have any scum reads? all i got from this was you think milo is town and kickstart is town. i will take more of any kind of reads, but more interested in your scum reads.
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On June 04 2015 01:50 Fidei86 wrote:
Damdred - I think our posts might have crossed?
Never cross quotes. Never unless there is a mafiapuff man, then and only then is it ok.
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On June 04 2015 04:16 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 01:50 Fidei86 wrote:
Damdred - I think our posts might have crossed? Never cross quotes. Never unless there is a mafiapuff man, then and only then is it ok.
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On June 03 2015 16:19 Tictock wrote:
Was just checking in before bed, game has been somewhat dead past few hours, so I'll just leave a few of my thoughts.
GG is my top scum right now. No questions. Was expecting him to at least react to my response or something...
I'm unsure of Damdred, though he's earning town points in my book for reacting the same way I did to GG.
I'd really like to hear from Onegu and def need to see more out of Scott. I hate to say it but scott could be scum atm. I've seen him lynched D1 twice now, when he was town he was active until he got tunneled and when he was scum he posted very much like he's doing this game. Quick little reads and short response posts. Also half his posts atm are just stating facts, nothing game relevant.
Milo does look kinda scummy but I'm not sure yet, I'd like to see more out of him. Right now I cant tell if he is actually scum or if he just looks out of place because he isn't used to this style of mafia. His frustration over being insta-scummed by several people is understandable, especially being new here.
i'ved read this post like 5x trying to figure out what is causing me to not like it. i can't really figure it out. for whatever reason i just don't like this post.
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Ignoring my post which admitted isn't alignment indicative isn't as big a deal as what I would term unreasonable town reads to me. I did give him shit for the bad reasoning however it is fair to say he only replied and returned pressure after he was pinged out. Does that make him scum... Maybe I'm not convinced myself yet.
However there is another issue that is more pressing currently I hinted at it but fideu odd read on chocolate and inability to really show reasoning why he likes chocolates posting weirds me out, it reminds me of people trying to get on the right side of a mislynch and if I hadn't of gotten side tracked with template earlier I wanted to point out how his reads are wishy washy and he has no real conclusions etc.
and the suspicion on Milo seems a bit fake to me.
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Also I kinda don't want to lynch Scott I was setting a trap for him by not answering his question and sre if he was going tonbring it up.
A most cunning plan foiled by someone who cares if he's answered.
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On June 04 2015 04:16 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 04:11 scott31337 wrote:I'm back now - On June 03 2015 17:49 Fidei86 wrote:
Hey guys I'm back online.
I have to admit, I'm a little blown away by how much back and forth there was. I guess there's no other way to do forum mafia, but still, it's tough. I sort of feel like I should print out all of your names on a big A3 page and then draw lines between each of you representing defences and accusations. In fact, if anyone has the time to do that, I think it would be helpful (especially later in the game, when nobody can be bothered to go through a bazillion pages of text).
My only reads, and I admit they are very weak, are on Kickstarter and Viscera. I thought that both have taken a somewhat 'holier-than-thou' tone in their posts. Kickstarter started off with a very lecture-y post which felt to me like an attempt to stake out his town credentials before the mud began to fly. Then again, maybe that's just how he is as town, I dunno. Viscera has similarly been very confident in his/her posts, which is suspicious to me because I'm just not sure about anything at this point. I do not like this post. It really does not say much and have any conclusions - although he shares the same ideas with VE as I do - On June 04 2015 01:42 Fidei86 wrote:
VE - in particular, I agree with his read on scott and GG, and also on KS. I also think he has a point about the way you entered the thread (and this is something I've said before as well). None of that is to say that I have a strong read on him either way, I just don't agree that anything he has said or done obviously makes him mafia. I'm going to keep an eye on him for now. Damdred never did reply to my meta question and has magic meta townreads, but we wait until Day 2 unless something comes up. VE is noting Chocolate is trying to get a easy ML on me, I like where he's going with this - and I don't think it's a VE pocket, although I've seen him play like that either way. From how Milo defended himself I believe he is town. I still like Kickstart although the thread consensus seems to be the opposite. I'll reread a few pages of the thread I was pretty blitzed last night when I did so. do you have any scum reads? all i got from this was you think milo is town and kickstart is town. i will take more of any kind of reads, but more interested in your scum reads.
GGTemplar and Chocolate would be at the top of my scum list. I could sheep Kickstart's case on GG, It brings up fairly good points. I was awaiting a response before I voted, and we got another whole day as well.
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if i am being really honest. i think fid is a new player and my track record for reading new players is shite.5
he has quite the ability to agree and say nothing in a lot of his posts, and i have 0 clue if it is alignment indicative. i am surprised that when i just clicked his filter that it has reached 2 pages as i literally remember 0 things he has said all game from the top of my head and that usually isn't a good sign.
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On June 04 2015 04:24 Damdred wrote:
Also I kinda don't want to lynch Scott I was setting a trap for him by not answering his question and sre if he was going tonbring it up.
A most cunning plan foiled by someone who cares if he's answered.
Battraps(tm) 
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On June 04 2015 04:27 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 04:16 ritoky wrote:On June 04 2015 04:11 scott31337 wrote:I'm back now - On June 03 2015 17:49 Fidei86 wrote:
Hey guys I'm back online.
I have to admit, I'm a little blown away by how much back and forth there was. I guess there's no other way to do forum mafia, but still, it's tough. I sort of feel like I should print out all of your names on a big A3 page and then draw lines between each of you representing defences and accusations. In fact, if anyone has the time to do that, I think it would be helpful (especially later in the game, when nobody can be bothered to go through a bazillion pages of text).
My only reads, and I admit they are very weak, are on Kickstarter and Viscera. I thought that both have taken a somewhat 'holier-than-thou' tone in their posts. Kickstarter started off with a very lecture-y post which felt to me like an attempt to stake out his town credentials before the mud began to fly. Then again, maybe that's just how he is as town, I dunno. Viscera has similarly been very confident in his/her posts, which is suspicious to me because I'm just not sure about anything at this point. I do not like this post. It really does not say much and have any conclusions - although he shares the same ideas with VE as I do - On June 04 2015 01:42 Fidei86 wrote:
VE - in particular, I agree with his read on scott and GG, and also on KS. I also think he has a point about the way you entered the thread (and this is something I've said before as well). None of that is to say that I have a strong read on him either way, I just don't agree that anything he has said or done obviously makes him mafia. I'm going to keep an eye on him for now. Damdred never did reply to my meta question and has magic meta townreads, but we wait until Day 2 unless something comes up. VE is noting Chocolate is trying to get a easy ML on me, I like where he's going with this - and I don't think it's a VE pocket, although I've seen him play like that either way. From how Milo defended himself I believe he is town. I still like Kickstart although the thread consensus seems to be the opposite. I'll reread a few pages of the thread I was pretty blitzed last night when I did so. do you have any scum reads? all i got from this was you think milo is town and kickstart is town. i will take more of any kind of reads, but more interested in your scum reads. GGTemplar and Chocolate would be at the top of my scum list. I could sheep Kickstart's case on GG, It brings up fairly good points. I was awaiting a response before I voted, and we got another whole day as well.
When I played with you in that student thing I remember you asking a whole lot more questions as town. Why are you much less inquisitive this game?
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On June 03 2015 09:50 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 06:05 sicklucker wrote:
##Vote Tictock I feel morally ok policy voting in non newbie games untill he proves hes town My gut tells me the specific diction you chose with regards to being 'morally' okay with it inclines me to believe you are townie. Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 06:17 Tictock wrote:
In regards to kicks question.
I am pretty new to TL forums. Have played in 2 of the newbie games (the 2 most recent ones, including the ongoing one).
I see a few familiar names, but most of you I don't know... and am HIGHLY suspicious of...
And of course I know SL, who I may have to ignore. I apologize in advance if I start tunneling him, I have a tendency to do that. I think your intentional emphasis on the fact that you are 'HIGHLY' suspicious of people is scum-indicative. You are making sure we all know you are 'suspicious' of people, aka have imperfect information aka are town. A very roundabout and subtle way to go about telling people you are town. I think this is an excellent policy vote. ##Vote Tictock
He never actually voted in the voting thread, but this looks like a Chezinu rule vote to me - A misguided understanding of a fairly new guy - when town would be afraid to vote so early but scum wants to start a easy ML.
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On June 04 2015 04:34 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 04:27 scott31337 wrote:On June 04 2015 04:16 ritoky wrote:On June 04 2015 04:11 scott31337 wrote:I'm back now - On June 03 2015 17:49 Fidei86 wrote:
Hey guys I'm back online.
I have to admit, I'm a little blown away by how much back and forth there was. I guess there's no other way to do forum mafia, but still, it's tough. I sort of feel like I should print out all of your names on a big A3 page and then draw lines between each of you representing defences and accusations. In fact, if anyone has the time to do that, I think it would be helpful (especially later in the game, when nobody can be bothered to go through a bazillion pages of text).
My only reads, and I admit they are very weak, are on Kickstarter and Viscera. I thought that both have taken a somewhat 'holier-than-thou' tone in their posts. Kickstarter started off with a very lecture-y post which felt to me like an attempt to stake out his town credentials before the mud began to fly. Then again, maybe that's just how he is as town, I dunno. Viscera has similarly been very confident in his/her posts, which is suspicious to me because I'm just not sure about anything at this point. I do not like this post. It really does not say much and have any conclusions - although he shares the same ideas with VE as I do - On June 04 2015 01:42 Fidei86 wrote:
VE - in particular, I agree with his read on scott and GG, and also on KS. I also think he has a point about the way you entered the thread (and this is something I've said before as well). None of that is to say that I have a strong read on him either way, I just don't agree that anything he has said or done obviously makes him mafia. I'm going to keep an eye on him for now. Damdred never did reply to my meta question and has magic meta townreads, but we wait until Day 2 unless something comes up. VE is noting Chocolate is trying to get a easy ML on me, I like where he's going with this - and I don't think it's a VE pocket, although I've seen him play like that either way. From how Milo defended himself I believe he is town. I still like Kickstart although the thread consensus seems to be the opposite. I'll reread a few pages of the thread I was pretty blitzed last night when I did so. do you have any scum reads? all i got from this was you think milo is town and kickstart is town. i will take more of any kind of reads, but more interested in your scum reads. GGTemplar and Chocolate would be at the top of my scum list. I could sheep Kickstart's case on GG, It brings up fairly good points. I was awaiting a response before I voted, and we got another whole day as well. When I played with you in that student thing I remember you asking a whole lot more questions as town. Why are you much less inquisitive this game?
I have friends from out of state with me right now and they leave later today so I'm not spending a whole lot of time on the game at the moment. I'll pick it up later today/tomorrow,
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Well since it seems GGT isnt here yet to answer any questions, what do others think of my read on him? I know ritocky echod the concern about that insane list post and scott said he agreed with the post. Is GGT scummy to you guys as well or do you find another person more scummy atm, and aside from ritocky and scott what does everyone else think of my GGT read?
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On June 04 2015 04:51 Kickstart wrote:
Well since it seems GGT isnt here yet to answer any questions, what do others think of my read on him? I know ritocky echod the concern about that insane list post and scott said he agreed with the post. Is GGT scummy to you guys as well or do you find another person more scummy atm, and aside from ritocky and scott what does everyone else think of my GGT read?
I would rather not be misrepresented. I don't think templar looks that scummy. He is pretty much null. I think your last point about how his town reads changed a lot w/o explanation seems like a good point of pressure. However the rest of your case is meh. Like I said I don't mind a lot of what templar said and the particular posts he keyed in on.
Also kickstart, can you give a town read on someone. The big issue I am having getting a solid read on you is you seem to be OMGUSing everything that walks.
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On June 04 2015 04:59 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 04:51 Kickstart wrote:
Well since it seems GGT isnt here yet to answer any questions, what do others think of my read on him? I know ritocky echod the concern about that insane list post and scott said he agreed with the post. Is GGT scummy to you guys as well or do you find another person more scummy atm, and aside from ritocky and scott what does everyone else think of my GGT read? I would rather not be misrepresented. I don't think templar looks that scummy. He is pretty much null. I think your last point about how his town reads changed a lot w/o explanation seems like a good point of pressure. However the rest of your case is meh. Like I said I don't mind a lot of what templar said and the particular posts he keyed in on. Also kickstart, can you give a town read on someone. The big issue I am having getting a solid read on you is you seem to be OMGUSing everything that walks.
Well me OMGUSing everything is a stretch. I went on milo and sl before they even mentioned me, and my read on GGT is the same with or without him directing anything at me. I am generally of the opinion that town reads aren't of much use D1, but I was pressured to name some earlier and I named yourself and VE, for basically the same reasons. I felt that you were both applying pressure when needed, you were both driving discussion, and both were being open and honest with your thoughts - all of which I think is helpful and thus I feel that you have been helpful for town up to this point. Does that mean I think you are both 100% town? No, but I feel confident in saying that I would not vote on either of you this cycle. To be honest the only other person I feel is slightly town atm is Nydus, but definitely not on the same level as you two. I have real issues with almost everyone else who I havent mentioned because I just feel their posts are void of strong feelings and I don't like that style of play. Namely I feel like Damdred, scott, Onegu, and Fideu (just off the top of my head) are not giving us anything to work with, their posts are void of reads and strong opinions, and while Damdred has asked a lot of questions and put a bit of pressure on at times, he is still guilty of not giving us his thoughts (though he said this is how he plays and that he will wait to make a stronger case when he is ready - which I intend to hold him too, if Day 1 ends and he is still guilty of what I outlined above I will have some real questions about him because he has been active enough and seems experiences and good enough to give some solid reads but has yet to do so). I think scott and fideu are new so I can understand the reluctance to stick their necks out on anything but I don't feel that is a real excuse, they still need to share their thoughts on things. Onegu seems to have arrived late on the scene but already his posting style is suspicious to me, much too much joking around; while this is normal and understandable at the start of the game, I feel like there is plenty of content to actually address, which he has not done. Can anyone tell me if this is normal posting from Onegu?
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So basically almost 24 hours in game you only have a strong opinion that 2 people are town one lean and the rest is null. Meh that post just irks me, it says a lot without actually doing much bah.
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i think solid town reads on day 1 are the most valuable thing in the entire game outside of definite information (i.e. checks etc).
as for your question about onegu. onegu has a very...unique...way of solving games. he is a low volume poster, who frequently makes mountains out of what other people call mole hills. when he is town he has a high frequency of picking the right mole hills though. he has also on occasion straight up called someone unimpeachable town and sheeped them to the ends of the earth. my suggestion for reading him as the game goes on is read what he posts and if it makes you say "huh" out loud, he is probably town. if it makes you bored or ask yourself "what in the living shit?" he is probably mafia. lean moreso toward makes your bored for the mafia read, cuz you seem like a bit of a tunneler so you might say what in the living shit to everything he posts.
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also can you expand on your nydus town lean? that seems new to me or maybe it came about last night when my pregnant wife was doing a USSR dictator impression.
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On June 04 2015 05:25 Damdred wrote:
So basically almost 24 hours in game you only have a strong opinion that 2 people are town one lean and the rest is null. Meh that post just irks me, it says a lot without actually doing much bah.
Just because you refuse to give us opinions on anyone and I keep asking you too is no need to omgus me, but whatever. My '2 people are town one learn the rest null' is more than you have offered up. and if there are 13 players, and I know I'm town, we have 12 people. Ive said i find 3 to be scummy, leaves us 9. Of those 9 ive said 3 were town, leaves 6, of those 6 I pointed out all my issues with 4 of them. I don't even know who the 2 I left out are.
So I have given my thoughts on almost every single player in the game while you haven't given your thoughts on a single one.
Stay mad.
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Also, I'm really not trying to be an ass Damdred, but I have asked you several times for your opinions on anyone and you don't want to give them out because you claim that is just how you play, but then you come off with this holier than thou attitude at me that I want strong opinions but don't give any when I feel that I've been extremely vocal and forthright with my opinions. You claiming I'm saying a lot without doing much just annoys me because I have already pressured several people and given 3 scum reads, 2 of which I think still are strong and hold true.
My Nydus town lean is just because he seems to be forthright with his thoughts and recently he seems to be getting similar impressions I am on most people. He did initially scum read me and I didn't like him at all for that, and he thought you were suspicious ritocky which I did not agree with at the time, but again I feel like he is sticking his neck out and being honest with his thoughts, therefor I would most likely not lynch him at this point in time.
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