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Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 03 2015 20:44 GMT
#541
And yes I agree that town reads are helpful to an extent. I just am of the opinion that, especially on day 1, you can not be 100% sure on anything, therefor to me the correct course of action is to find the scum, and that is what I focus on doing. When and if a scum flips after a lynch, then I generally feel safe in considering someone almost surely town by looking at how they dealt with that person. But again, it is day 1 at the moment and we don't have that sort of information yet so the best we can do is find the scum.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 03 2015 20:46 GMT
#542
I just don't see how you can have a nydus town lean or read. I sure as shit don't anymore. A lot of people have a nydus town read which might mean some1 is spewing him but I don't think he has done enough to deserve the town reads he has gotten.

However back to your read on him and why it is strange:

Nydus thinks or thought that you are scum, he thinks 1 of your 2 top towns is scum and has reinforced it later (me), and he thinks your other top town's case on mafia is crap. So he literally completely disagrees with everything except your templar read, which tbh he may not actually stand behind that much cuz all we have is a #scum post. Even moreso he has a town read on milo who all 3 of your towns have pinged out as potential scum over the course of the 1st day. I just don't see how tone could possibly overrule how utterly wrong Nydus should appear to you. You haven't even called him donkey town....just a town lean. This read feels really out of place....
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 03 2015 20:55 GMT
#543
Tbh I just thought of someone other than yourself and VE to call town because people keep pressuring me to do so, and you are right, he just came to mind because he agreed with me on GGT and that is what happened most recently. I agree with everything you said, and next time people force me for more reads when I've given at least 5 I'll tell them to fuck off because this is what happens when I feel obligated to come up with someone else to throw on a list.

Now I am annoyed.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 03 2015 20:58 GMT
#544
It is my fault though. People are applying pressure to me cause I am one of a couple of people who are actually here posting at the moment which is fine, I just didn't handle it well and posted something without thinking it through because people asked me to "give more" when I feel I've given plenty. That said, I still have people I would rather pressure, and people who I find scummier than Nydus.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 03 2015 21:20 GMT
#545
Sorry for not posting. A stressing game ended and im enjoying not being the center of attention for once. probably gonna keep relaxin
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 03 2015 21:46 GMT
#546
i'm not even going to read posts until I say this, how in the fuck can anyone in this game say that I don't have opinions stated?

I have literally given at least 3 town reads up to this point, have voiced opinions why 2 people are scummy and have stated why idon't like posts many times.

This is total shit.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 03 2015 21:51 GMT
#547
On June 04 2015 05:46 ritoky wrote:
I just don't see how you can have a nydus town lean or read. I sure as shit don't anymore. A lot of people have a nydus town read which might mean some1 is spewing him but I don't think he has done enough to deserve the town reads he has gotten.

However back to your read on him and why it is strange:

Nydus thinks or thought that you are scum, he thinks 1 of your 2 top towns is scum and has reinforced it later (me), and he thinks your other top town's case on mafia is crap. So he literally completely disagrees with everything except your templar read, which tbh he may not actually stand behind that much cuz all we have is a #scum post. Even moreso he has a town read on milo who all 3 of your towns have pinged out as potential scum over the course of the 1st day. I just don't see how tone could possibly overrule how utterly wrong Nydus should appear to you. You haven't even called him donkey town....just a town lean. This read feels really out of place....


I like this post, ritoky is a cool guy
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 03 2015 21:56 GMT
#548
On June 04 2015 05:35 Kickstart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2015 05:25 Damdred wrote:
So basically almost 24 hours in game you only have a strong opinion that 2 people are town one lean and the rest is null. Meh that post just irks me, it says a lot without actually doing much bah.


Just because you refuse to give us opinions on anyone and I keep asking you too is no need to omgus me, but whatever. My '2 people are town one learn the rest null' is more than you have offered up. and if there are 13 players, and I know I'm town, we have 12 people. Ive said i find 3 to be scummy, leaves us 9. Of those 9 ive said 3 were town, leaves 6, of those 6 I pointed out all my issues with 4 of them. I don't even know who the 2 I left out are.

So I have given my thoughts on almost every single player in the game while you haven't given your thoughts on a single one.

Stay mad.


I think most people in this game who've played with me will attest that I don't generally omgus. And this isn't at this point.

However your posts fit very much into the vein of Lots of Words with little content.

Like your big post that irkd me, a simple question was asked to you yet you turned it into a wall of text without any real explanation on why certain people are town. Instead you threw scum on certain people and then said "if they dont' do x before Y". That's not real content nor is that actual reads if you think something is scummy its scummy, not this half whishy washy things that permeate your posts at points.

Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
June 03 2015 22:03 GMT
#549
On June 04 2015 06:46 Damdred wrote:
i'm not even going to read posts until I say this, how in the fuck can anyone in this game say that I don't have opinions stated?

I have literally given at least 3 town reads up to this point, have voiced opinions why 2 people are scummy and have stated why idon't like posts many times.

This is total shit.



But you must have read a post to respond to a post... How does that work?
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
June 03 2015 22:04 GMT
#550
On June 04 2015 05:14 Kickstart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2015 04:59 ritoky wrote:
On June 04 2015 04:51 Kickstart wrote:
Well since it seems GGT isnt here yet to answer any questions, what do others think of my read on him? I know ritocky echod the concern about that insane list post and scott said he agreed with the post. Is GGT scummy to you guys as well or do you find another person more scummy atm, and aside from ritocky and scott what does everyone else think of my GGT read?


I would rather not be misrepresented. I don't think templar looks that scummy. He is pretty much null. I think your last point about how his town reads changed a lot w/o explanation seems like a good point of pressure. However the rest of your case is meh. Like I said I don't mind a lot of what templar said and the particular posts he keyed in on.

Also kickstart, can you give a town read on someone. The big issue I am having getting a solid read on you is you seem to be OMGUSing everything that walks.


Well me OMGUSing everything is a stretch. I went on milo and sl before they even mentioned me, and my read on GGT is the same with or without him directing anything at me. I am generally of the opinion that town reads aren't of much use D1, but I was pressured to name some earlier and I named yourself and VE, for basically the same reasons. I felt that you were both applying pressure when needed, you were both driving discussion, and both were being open and honest with your thoughts - all of which I think is helpful and thus I feel that you have been helpful for town up to this point. Does that mean I think you are both 100% town? No, but I feel confident in saying that I would not vote on either of you this cycle. To be honest the only other person I feel is slightly town atm is Nydus, but definitely not on the same level as you two. I have real issues with almost everyone else who I havent mentioned because I just feel their posts are void of strong feelings and I don't like that style of play. Namely I feel like Damdred, scott, Onegu, and Fideu (just off the top of my head) are not giving us anything to work with, their posts are void of reads and strong opinions, and while Damdred has asked a lot of questions and put a bit of pressure on at times, he is still guilty of not giving us his thoughts (though he said this is how he plays and that he will wait to make a stronger case when he is ready - which I intend to hold him too, if Day 1 ends and he is still guilty of what I outlined above I will have some real questions about him because he has been active enough and seems experiences and good enough to give some solid reads but has yet to do so). I think scott and fideu are new so I can understand the reluctance to stick their necks out on anything but I don't feel that is a real excuse, they still need to share their thoughts on things. Onegu seems to have arrived late on the scene but already his posting style is suspicious to me, much too much joking around; while this is normal and understandable at the start of the game, I feel like there is plenty of content to actually address, which he has not done. Can anyone tell me if this is normal posting from Onegu?


Normal for town Onegu, but WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM.
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Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 03 2015 22:05 GMT
#551
On June 04 2015 06:56 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2015 05:35 Kickstart wrote:
On June 04 2015 05:25 Damdred wrote:
So basically almost 24 hours in game you only have a strong opinion that 2 people are town one lean and the rest is null. Meh that post just irks me, it says a lot without actually doing much bah.


Just because you refuse to give us opinions on anyone and I keep asking you too is no need to omgus me, but whatever. My '2 people are town one learn the rest null' is more than you have offered up. and if there are 13 players, and I know I'm town, we have 12 people. Ive said i find 3 to be scummy, leaves us 9. Of those 9 ive said 3 were town, leaves 6, of those 6 I pointed out all my issues with 4 of them. I don't even know who the 2 I left out are.

So I have given my thoughts on almost every single player in the game while you haven't given your thoughts on a single one.

Stay mad.


I think most people in this game who've played with me will attest that I don't generally omgus. And this isn't at this point.

However your posts fit very much into the vein of Lots of Words with little content.

Like your big post that irkd me, a simple question was asked to you yet you turned it into a wall of text without any real explanation on why certain people are town. Instead you threw scum on certain people and then said "if they dont' do x before Y". That's not real content nor is that actual reads if you think something is scummy its scummy, not this half whishy washy things that permeate your posts at points.



We just seem not to like each other, which is fine I guess. But I haven't been wishy washy at all. My scum reads are GGt, milo, and sicklucker, in that order. Town reads are ritocky and VE in that order. To say that I have indicated anything other than what I just said is to not have read what I've said. You keep saying I have given little content yet I have stated over and over and over and over and over again who my scum reads are, and that I like ritocky and VEs posting this far (though VE hasn't said much in awhile but hopefully whenever he gets back to the thread he will). Meanwhile, I still don't know who your scum reads are, as I have pointed out for quite some time now. You are just totally having a go at me and nothing you are saying about my posts holds true. It is annoying, and you've done it enough, I would now like you to say something about some other people, or are you still going to pull the "i dont play that way" card?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 03 2015 22:45 GMT
#552
On June 04 2015 07:05 Kickstart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2015 06:56 Damdred wrote:
On June 04 2015 05:35 Kickstart wrote:
On June 04 2015 05:25 Damdred wrote:
So basically almost 24 hours in game you only have a strong opinion that 2 people are town one lean and the rest is null. Meh that post just irks me, it says a lot without actually doing much bah.


Just because you refuse to give us opinions on anyone and I keep asking you too is no need to omgus me, but whatever. My '2 people are town one learn the rest null' is more than you have offered up. and if there are 13 players, and I know I'm town, we have 12 people. Ive said i find 3 to be scummy, leaves us 9. Of those 9 ive said 3 were town, leaves 6, of those 6 I pointed out all my issues with 4 of them. I don't even know who the 2 I left out are.

So I have given my thoughts on almost every single player in the game while you haven't given your thoughts on a single one.

Stay mad.


I think most people in this game who've played with me will attest that I don't generally omgus. And this isn't at this point.

However your posts fit very much into the vein of Lots of Words with little content.

Like your big post that irkd me, a simple question was asked to you yet you turned it into a wall of text without any real explanation on why certain people are town. Instead you threw scum on certain people and then said "if they dont' do x before Y". That's not real content nor is that actual reads if you think something is scummy its scummy, not this half whishy washy things that permeate your posts at points.



We just seem not to like each other, which is fine I guess. But I haven't been wishy washy at all. My scum reads are GGt, milo, and sicklucker, in that order. Town reads are ritocky and VE in that order. To say that I have indicated anything other than what I just said is to not have read what I've said. You keep saying I have given little content yet I have stated over and over and over and over and over again who my scum reads are, and that I like ritocky and VEs posting this far (though VE hasn't said much in awhile but hopefully whenever he gets back to the thread he will). Meanwhile, I still don't know who your scum reads are, as I have pointed out for quite some time now. You are just totally having a go at me and nothing you are saying about my posts holds true. It is annoying, and you've done it enough, I would now like you to say something about some other people, or are you still going to pull the "i dont play that way" card?


I"m not sure what game you have been reading. I have plenty of opinions and reasons why I think certain things are scummy etc.

It has nothing to do with whether I like you or not, it has to do with the fact that you are avoiding certain questions and giving half answers to ritoky specifically about your reads. You went off on a very long tangent that wasn't very useful in one of your longer posts that irked me that led to a "conclusion" that you would only look at certain people more if activity etc wasn't up to what you thought.

However it doesn't change the fact that you are obviously not actually reading what I post for the most part.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 03 2015 23:00 GMT
#553
it's official. #3rdtrimester has begun....bought a crib today instead of a new video card...getting older blows.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 03 2015 23:01 GMT
#554
On June 04 2015 06:20 sicklucker wrote:
Sorry for not posting. A stressing game ended and im enjoying not being the center of attention for once. probably gonna keep relaxin


while you're in your lounge chair sippin dat mixed drink on ice staring off into the sunset wondering what the future holds. could you like...say some reads or post me a paragraph of wharrrgarrrble so i can get any sort of read on you? thanx bae
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 03 2015 23:02 GMT
#555
Chin up ritoky and help me solve the game.

I'm nto sure that KS is scum, I think that the point you brought up is a good one though and I could see scum accidently aligning themselves like that. Sort of like I did in the game where I called vivax town even though we drastically differed on our reads.

Who else do you think is scum?
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 03 2015 23:08 GMT
#556
well his nydus read makes no sense. but i can't tell whether that makes him scum making up a read or just some guy who generally posts what immediately comes to mind before considering it. regardless it makes me less prone to trust the reads he is giving regardless of his alignment.

i have my worries about nydus cuz he disagrees with me on everything and got some super easy town reads for minimal stuff. but maybe that's just cuz he keeps calling me mafia.

i have some worries about scott which may legit be irl stuff like he said, but he is less pro-active and inquisitive this game. seems to be more concerned with fitting in and not being lynched which is pretty meh. but lots of people don't like scott...in fact no1 does. which might make him town.

chocolate might be mafia cuz VE says so and cuz he wants to policy lynch inactives over someone he developed a scum read on and i don't understand why.

last is probably ticktock but i couldn't tell you why. that one post i pointed out and couldn't explain it...dunno, it really bugged me and i haven't gotten over it LOL.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 03 2015 23:17 GMT
#557
i have no idea why i did this, but i google image searched onegu and this was a top tier image:

[image loading]

on a related note, 1gu, i need you to tell me something. who's filter should i be reading RIGHT NOW?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 03 2015 23:17 GMT
#558
I actually sort of like Scott, its for a partially bad reason because scum could replicate it pretty easily if they paid attention. However i'm not sure scott is one of those mafia, like I mentioned before I sort of tried to trap him to see if he would forget the question about how I came up with my magical read on you (ritoky).

It kind of puts me in a position where I don't want to lynch someone today who cares and has some form of follow up. I also am not going to scum read him for saying hes busy irl because I legitimately don't thinkt hat he would be lying about that. Its just enough for me not to want to lynch him today I think.

I agree with you that the nydus read is badish (I've already said why), i'm actually more prone to think this would come from scum than from town. But it's sort of weird I probably should go look at his scum game to see how he does but I think he ha some red flags.

I noticed you left out fied? Why did you leave him out? I think there is some pretty decent reasons to think hes scum even if he is a newer player.

i'll look at tick in just a minute and chocolate i'm not sure
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 03 2015 23:24 GMT
#559
On June 04 2015 08:17 Damdred wrote:
I actually sort of like Scott, its for a partially bad reason because scum could replicate it pretty easily if they paid attention. However i'm not sure scott is one of those mafia, like I mentioned before I sort of tried to trap him to see if he would forget the question about how I came up with my magical read on you (ritoky).

It kind of puts me in a position where I don't want to lynch someone today who cares and has some form of follow up. I also am not going to scum read him for saying hes busy irl because I legitimately don't thinkt hat he would be lying about that. Its just enough for me not to want to lynch him today I think.

I agree with you that the nydus read is badish (I've already said why), i'm actually more prone to think this would come from scum than from town. But it's sort of weird I probably should go look at his scum game to see how he does but I think he ha some red flags.

I noticed you left out fied? Why did you leave him out? I think there is some pretty decent reasons to think hes scum even if he is a newer player.

i'll look at tick in just a minute and chocolate i'm not sure


i left him out cuz i just have no idea tbh. to put it into video mafia terms, if someone put the last formal of the day on him i would probably vote.

i didn't really remember much of him posting and what i do remember was really convoluted and unclear to me. so i just parked him in the i don't even fucking know zone. in his filter he has a "hi guys" and a "hey everyone i am back online" which if it was a non-new player would flag for me; but dunno if the notice me senpai read works on new players. general sense i got is that he is confused and lost. but if you got something better on him i am open to hearing it.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
June 03 2015 23:52 GMT
#560
On June 04 2015 08:00 ritoky wrote:
it's official. #3rdtrimester has begun....bought a crib today instead of a new video card...getting older blows.



I havent had a new PC in 4 years man. They only get more expensive. Just be glad you werent expecting one and ended up with twins...
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