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Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 04 2015 00:46 GMT
#581
@Milo - fair enough, thanks for the quick (and non-patronising) answer.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
June 04 2015 00:51 GMT
#582
I also see that SL seems to be pretty happy leaving his vote on me for "reasons". I explained that we have a bit of a history, but I've never seen him do this D1 before.
On June 03 2015 06:05 sicklucker wrote:
##Vote Tictock I feel morally ok policy voting in non newbie games untill he proves hes town

What's "moral" about a policy vote? I'm not even sure how I could be a policy vote still...

I'm also wondering what people make of SL's posts like this.
On June 03 2015 06:26 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 06:24 Tictock wrote:
@ ritoky

Ok, I'll bite

##Vote ritoky


For spamming graphics and one liners. Not even trying to push people yet, such scum.


oh your not going to get along with ritoky and onegu....

On June 03 2015 06:30 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 06:27 Damdred wrote:
Let us get right to it.

I would generally just come out with my ritoky read right off the bat but I'm going to hold off here for a few reasons. Need to see more postings at this point.

However I don't get why tick is being so weird about Sl and him tunneling in previous games it just feels a bit fake? Also he mentions other people he's suspicious of? I'm not sure what that is, overall his postings give me a strange feeling.

Kick while I agree with his post it isn't alignment indicative to an extent pre made posts usually aren't.

Moving on I need a henchman to do,my bidding who,will it be


oh you wont like tictock...


All I see here is SL stirring up trouble, and doing it indirectly. He is just dropping the idea that people wont like me or get along with me... That's also a new thing from SL to me, and it feels really scum motivated.

On June 04 2015 06:20 sicklucker wrote:
Sorry for not posting. A stressing game ended and im enjoying not being the center of attention for once. probably gonna keep relaxin


Then he posts this... "sorry, not sorry" is basically all he says here.

I was also not really willing to discuss this before because the last Newbie Game only ended last night. The ending to that game was far from stressful, expect to SL. I'm not even sure why he was so mad about that game, he kept claiming our last day that the game was solved and it was silly to be playing it out. Apparently he got really worked up for mafia wasting HIS time by not conceding.

I really don't have a solid way to read SL, but these things I mentioned are new aspects to his play. I think he really could be scum this game because of it... going to leave my vote on GG for now though. GG doesn't even have the excuse of knowing me from past games and is basically sheeping SL with his vote on me, they could both be scum working together to try and ML me.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
June 04 2015 00:56 GMT
#583
On June 04 2015 05:14 Kickstart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2015 04:59 ritoky wrote:
On June 04 2015 04:51 Kickstart wrote:
Well since it seems GGT isnt here yet to answer any questions, what do others think of my read on him? I know ritocky echod the concern about that insane list post and scott said he agreed with the post. Is GGT scummy to you guys as well or do you find another person more scummy atm, and aside from ritocky and scott what does everyone else think of my GGT read?


I would rather not be misrepresented. I don't think templar looks that scummy. He is pretty much null. I think your last point about how his town reads changed a lot w/o explanation seems like a good point of pressure. However the rest of your case is meh. Like I said I don't mind a lot of what templar said and the particular posts he keyed in on.

Also kickstart, can you give a town read on someone. The big issue I am having getting a solid read on you is you seem to be OMGUSing everything that walks.


Well me OMGUSing everything is a stretch. I went on milo and sl before they even mentioned me, and my read on GGT is the same with or without him directing anything at me. I am generally of the opinion that town reads aren't of much use D1, but I was pressured to name some earlier and I named yourself and VE, for basically the same reasons. I felt that you were both applying pressure when needed, you were both driving discussion, and both were being open and honest with your thoughts - all of which I think is helpful and thus I feel that you have been helpful for town up to this point. Does that mean I think you are both 100% town? No, but I feel confident in saying that I would not vote on either of you this cycle. To be honest the only other person I feel is slightly town atm is Nydus, but definitely not on the same level as you two. I have real issues with almost everyone else who I havent mentioned because I just feel their posts are void of strong feelings and I don't like that style of play. Namely I feel like Damdred, scott, Onegu, and Fideu (just off the top of my head) are not giving us anything to work with, their posts are void of reads and strong opinions, and while Damdred has asked a lot of questions and put a bit of pressure on at times, he is still guilty of not giving us his thoughts (though he said this is how he plays and that he will wait to make a stronger case when he is ready - which I intend to hold him too, if Day 1 ends and he is still guilty of what I outlined above I will have some real questions about him because he has been active enough and seems experiences and good enough to give some solid reads but has yet to do so). I think scott and fideu are new so I can understand the reluctance to stick their necks out on anything but I don't feel that is a real excuse, they still need to share their thoughts on things. Onegu seems to have arrived late on the scene but already his posting style is suspicious to me, much too much joking around; while this is normal and understandable at the start of the game, I feel like there is plenty of content to actually address, which he has not done. Can anyone tell me if this is normal posting from Onegu?


Kick, I've been reading you town so far this game, but can you please not make posts like this? This wall of text is really hard on my eyes and is painful to read. I bet a lot of people just skipped it or skimmed it.

I also agree with ritoky's take on that post. It's a lot of words that don't say much. You're mostly rehashing stuff you've already said or that have been expressed in the thread already.
I can take that responsibility.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 04 2015 00:56 GMT
#584
so TT are all of your reads firmly rooted in OMGUS? or?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 04 2015 00:56 GMT
#585
oh hey, posts not complaining about people calling you mafia! i approve!
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
June 04 2015 01:04 GMT
#586
@milo
This is one of the first posts I actually like from you, possibly just because I'm seeing town in Fidei as well.

On June 04 2015 09:33 milo109 wrote:
I would say it was, except for the sheer amount of dumb tells in it. His Damdred cop read seems forced. However, if his point of view is someone who has never played any type of mafia before, then it's possible he's just really misreading the quote that way. If I had to answer that question, I'd say that this makes Fidei very town, but I'm going to accept the possibility that he might be a good enough player to type that as mafia.


Care to explain what you mean by dumb tells though? I've heard the phrase before but only sorta get what people mean when they say it. Can you give me an example so I can see what you mean?
I can take that responsibility.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 04 2015 01:07 GMT
#587
On June 04 2015 09:51 Tictock wrote:
I also see that SL seems to be pretty happy leaving his vote on me for "reasons". I explained that we have a bit of a history, but I've never seen him do this D1 before.
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 06:05 sicklucker wrote:
##Vote Tictock I feel morally ok policy voting in non newbie games untill he proves hes town

What's "moral" about a policy vote? I'm not even sure how I could be a policy vote still...

I'm also wondering what people make of SL's posts like this.
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 06:26 sicklucker wrote:
On June 03 2015 06:24 Tictock wrote:
@ ritoky

Ok, I'll bite

##Vote ritoky


For spamming graphics and one liners. Not even trying to push people yet, such scum.


oh your not going to get along with ritoky and onegu....

Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 06:30 sicklucker wrote:
On June 03 2015 06:27 Damdred wrote:
Let us get right to it.

I would generally just come out with my ritoky read right off the bat but I'm going to hold off here for a few reasons. Need to see more postings at this point.

However I don't get why tick is being so weird about Sl and him tunneling in previous games it just feels a bit fake? Also he mentions other people he's suspicious of? I'm not sure what that is, overall his postings give me a strange feeling.

Kick while I agree with his post it isn't alignment indicative to an extent pre made posts usually aren't.

Moving on I need a henchman to do,my bidding who,will it be


oh you wont like tictock...


All I see here is SL stirring up trouble, and doing it indirectly. He is just dropping the idea that people wont like me or get along with me... That's also a new thing from SL to me, and it feels really scum motivated.

Show nested quote +
On June 04 2015 06:20 sicklucker wrote:
Sorry for not posting. A stressing game ended and im enjoying not being the center of attention for once. probably gonna keep relaxin


Then he posts this... "sorry, not sorry" is basically all he says here.

I was also not really willing to discuss this before because the last Newbie Game only ended last night. The ending to that game was far from stressful, expect to SL. I'm not even sure why he was so mad about that game, he kept claiming our last day that the game was solved and it was silly to be playing it out. Apparently he got really worked up for mafia wasting HIS time by not conceding.

I really don't have a solid way to read SL, but these things I mentioned are new aspects to his play. I think he really could be scum this game because of it... going to leave my vote on GG for now though. GG doesn't even have the excuse of knowing me from past games and is basically sheeping SL with his vote on me, they could both be scum working together to try and ML me.


i think templar's reasons for voting you were made independent of SL, but sure.

the rest of this i have absolutely 0 idea how you found any alignment indicative information in any of this. like you are trying to make nuanced discussion out of utter garbage. to me it's almost like you feel compelled to give an SL read but there's no content from SL but you feel compelled to read him. so you said some stuff that was just wharrrrgarble. you coulda just said "SL hasn't done anything particularly productive so he could be mafia". i just find this post highly unnecessary and unconvincing.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
June 04 2015 01:07 GMT
#588
On June 04 2015 09:56 ritoky wrote:
so TT are all of your reads firmly rooted in OMGUS? or?


I'm trying not to, which is why I've waited till now to vote on GG or point out this stuff from SL.

Do you not see more than OMGUS in my posts about them?
I can take that responsibility.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 04 2015 01:10 GMT
#589
that's the kinda post where it's like 1 guy wants to bus his mafia partner, but he doesn't want to bus him too hard so he kinda makes a shit case, and the other guy votes on him early on day 1 for a dumpster reason and leaves it there kinda play. i am not saying that is the case or even likely the case, but if 1 of these 2 flips mafia i wouldn't be surprised if the other one is too.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 04 2015 01:12 GMT
#590
also i now have a bizarre reason to call fid a town lean, gonna try and put it into words here in a couple mins
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
June 04 2015 01:14 GMT
#591
On June 04 2015 10:07 ritoky wrote:
i think templar's reasons for voting you were made independent of SL, but sure.

the rest of this i have absolutely 0 idea how you found any alignment indicative information in any of this. like you are trying to make nuanced discussion out of utter garbage. to me it's almost like you feel compelled to give an SL read but there's no content from SL but you feel compelled to read him. so you said some stuff that was just wharrrrgarble. you coulda just said "SL hasn't done anything particularly productive so he could be mafia". i just find this post highly unnecessary and unconvincing.


This could very well be true, I def felt GG was sheeping SL's sentiment though, if not his thinking.

Yea them being a team is prob me dipping into WIFOM.

As for the "wharrrrgarble" stuff. I'm noticing stuff in SL's play that stands out to me as different from what I'm used to. Given that he's been town in both games I've played in thus far, I think me noticing new plays by him is a valid cause for me to start suspecting him.

I'll grant you it's not the most solid line of thinking, but then he's not my vote is he?
I can take that responsibility.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 04 2015 01:22 GMT
#592
On June 04 2015 09:56 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2015 05:14 Kickstart wrote:
On June 04 2015 04:59 ritoky wrote:
On June 04 2015 04:51 Kickstart wrote:
Well since it seems GGT isnt here yet to answer any questions, what do others think of my read on him? I know ritocky echod the concern about that insane list post and scott said he agreed with the post. Is GGT scummy to you guys as well or do you find another person more scummy atm, and aside from ritocky and scott what does everyone else think of my GGT read?


I would rather not be misrepresented. I don't think templar looks that scummy. He is pretty much null. I think your last point about how his town reads changed a lot w/o explanation seems like a good point of pressure. However the rest of your case is meh. Like I said I don't mind a lot of what templar said and the particular posts he keyed in on.

Also kickstart, can you give a town read on someone. The big issue I am having getting a solid read on you is you seem to be OMGUSing everything that walks.


Well me OMGUSing everything is a stretch. I went on milo and sl before they even mentioned me, and my read on GGT is the same with or without him directing anything at me. I am generally of the opinion that town reads aren't of much use D1, but I was pressured to name some earlier and I named yourself and VE, for basically the same reasons. I felt that you were both applying pressure when needed, you were both driving discussion, and both were being open and honest with your thoughts - all of which I think is helpful and thus I feel that you have been helpful for town up to this point. Does that mean I think you are both 100% town? No, but I feel confident in saying that I would not vote on either of you this cycle. To be honest the only other person I feel is slightly town atm is Nydus, but definitely not on the same level as you two. I have real issues with almost everyone else who I havent mentioned because I just feel their posts are void of strong feelings and I don't like that style of play. Namely I feel like Damdred, scott, Onegu, and Fideu (just off the top of my head) are not giving us anything to work with, their posts are void of reads and strong opinions, and while Damdred has asked a lot of questions and put a bit of pressure on at times, he is still guilty of not giving us his thoughts (though he said this is how he plays and that he will wait to make a stronger case when he is ready - which I intend to hold him too, if Day 1 ends and he is still guilty of what I outlined above I will have some real questions about him because he has been active enough and seems experiences and good enough to give some solid reads but has yet to do so). I think scott and fideu are new so I can understand the reluctance to stick their necks out on anything but I don't feel that is a real excuse, they still need to share their thoughts on things. Onegu seems to have arrived late on the scene but already his posting style is suspicious to me, much too much joking around; while this is normal and understandable at the start of the game, I feel like there is plenty of content to actually address, which he has not done. Can anyone tell me if this is normal posting from Onegu?


Kick, I've been reading you town so far this game, but can you please not make posts like this? This wall of text is really hard on my eyes and is painful to read. I bet a lot of people just skipped it or skimmed it.

I also agree with ritoky's take on that post. It's a lot of words that don't say much. You're mostly rehashing stuff you've already said or that have been expressed in the thread already.


q.q I thought I was the one who gave him hell not ritoky
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 04 2015 01:26 GMT
#593
i think you confused me. i think if SL is mafia i wouldn't be surprised if you are too.

as for your templar read it is not very good either lol. it pretty much reads to me like: "i don't like his playstyle and he thinks i am mafia"

am i wrong?

i read your case on him and it says "hey you think i am mafia ->omgus". "hey you're not interacting because the playstyle you are choosing to use is read the game chronologically and respond as you read them". and "hey i don't like your reads"

that's not exactly a compelling case. i mean i get that it is day 1, but that's even bad by day 1 standards. plus i actually don't mind templar's reads. they aren't massively original but at least he highlighted some of the posts i thought were the most relevant.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 04 2015 01:27 GMT
#594
On a more serious note id probably lynch into this group today any questions just ask

kick
templars
chocolate

I'm leaving of fi now because his post was...interesting.

but have to look again tomorrow at a few.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 04 2015 01:32 GMT
#595
basically my fid town read has stemmed from his general negative reaction to me, VE, and KS. and how in the 2 most recent games with new players in it. new players who are town tend to have a natural negative reaction to people playing super active and aggressive. it's kinda a past experiences i yelled @ the person as mafia all game and they were town kinda thing. stupid reason.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
June 04 2015 01:32 GMT
#596
Your right Damdred, I guess you two mixed up kus you both posted right after that.

On June 04 2015 05:25 Damdred wrote:
So basically almost 24 hours in game you only have a strong opinion that 2 people are town one lean and the rest is null. Meh that post just irks me, it says a lot without actually doing much bah.


You were definitely the one who expressed that thought I was agreeing with.

All credit goes to Damdred guys, please remove credit given to ritoky
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
June 04 2015 01:36 GMT
#597
@ ritoky

I did ask about this playstyle of his(GG's) a few people have mentioned.

Is it something he's done before or some kinda play that's established?

I'm also not sure why you are all over me here too, but at least your not doing this indirect pushing or ignoring me.
I can take that responsibility.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 04 2015 01:37 GMT
#598
That troll ritoky gets none none I tell you. Bit seriously that just made me chuckle
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 04 2015 01:57 GMT
#599
Took a nap cause I was feeling like shit and moody, probably came through in my posting. Lots of people have taken issue with my Nydus town read. I just want to say again that it was hastily done and I just said it off the top of my head because people were pressuring me to give more town reads (which again I don't find fair since I gave them, but people are greedy and wanted more and I reacted badly). It can be ignored and I have tried to explain why it happened, I will have to reevaluate him later but like I said I would probably not lynch him at the moment.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
June 04 2015 01:58 GMT
#600
Scott is looking better given his posts today. I'm holding him to this post in particular, but I don't want to lynch him today.

On June 04 2015 04:47 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2015 04:34 ritoky wrote:
On June 04 2015 04:27 scott31337 wrote:
On June 04 2015 04:16 ritoky wrote:
On June 04 2015 04:11 scott31337 wrote:
I'm back now -

On June 03 2015 17:49 Fidei86 wrote:
Hey guys I'm back online.

I have to admit, I'm a little blown away by how much back and forth there was. I guess there's no other way to do forum mafia, but still, it's tough. I sort of feel like I should print out all of your names on a big A3 page and then draw lines between each of you representing defences and accusations. In fact, if anyone has the time to do that, I think it would be helpful (especially later in the game, when nobody can be bothered to go through a bazillion pages of text).

My only reads, and I admit they are very weak, are on Kickstarter and Viscera. I thought that both have taken a somewhat 'holier-than-thou' tone in their posts. Kickstarter started off with a very lecture-y post which felt to me like an attempt to stake out his town credentials before the mud began to fly. Then again, maybe that's just how he is as town, I dunno. Viscera has similarly been very confident in his/her posts, which is suspicious to me because I'm just not sure about anything at this point.


I do not like this post. It really does not say much and have any conclusions - although he shares the same ideas with VE as I do -

On June 04 2015 01:42 Fidei86 wrote:
VE - in particular, I agree with his read on scott and GG, and also on KS. I also think he has a point about the way you entered the thread (and this is something I've said before as well). None of that is to say that I have a strong read on him either way, I just don't agree that anything he has said or done obviously makes him mafia.


I'm going to keep an eye on him for now.

Damdred never did reply to my meta question and has magic meta townreads, but we wait until Day 2 unless something comes up.

VE is noting Chocolate is trying to get a easy ML on me, I like where he's going with this - and I don't think it's a VE pocket, although I've seen him play like that either way.

From how Milo defended himself I believe he is town. I still like Kickstart although the thread consensus seems to be the opposite.

I'll reread a few pages of the thread I was pretty blitzed last night when I did so.


do you have any scum reads? all i got from this was you think milo is town and kickstart is town. i will take more of any kind of reads, but more interested in your scum reads.


GGTemplar and Chocolate would be at the top of my scum list. I could sheep Kickstart's case on GG, It brings up fairly good points. I was awaiting a response before I voted, and we got another whole day as well.



When I played with you in that student thing I remember you asking a whole lot more questions as town. Why are you much less inquisitive this game?


I have friends from out of state with me right now and they leave later today so I'm not spending a whole lot of time on the game at the moment. I'll pick it up later today/tomorrow,


Onegu posts are pretty underwhelming this far... but his intro post and this one gave me a decent laugh.
On June 04 2015 04:15 Onegu wrote:
So here we go.

In Thailand Milo is Chocolate powder. So that means Chocolate and Milo must be on the same team. Since chocolate is so tasty they must both be town.


I recall doing a similar "read" on 27nb last game D1.

On May 22 2015 09:56 Tictock wrote:
See his whole case doesn't make sense.

First 27 is clearly a better number than 26. Ends in a prime, multiple of nine AND 3...

2nd the 27 is CLEARLY attached to ninja more than bunnies, yet BM is asserting that there is too little Ninja. When is there ever too little Ninja? I mean the very absence of Ninja IS Ninja....


I guess I have to admit that he's really pretty null thus far, but I like his tone. Idk just a gut thing I guess...

I can take that responsibility.
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