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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 14 2015 15:59 GMT
#2101
Well m probably dying tonight so here's the deal.

Scott could be mafia and oneg could,be town.

Oneg and Scott could be last mafia together and they magically bussed one another.

Scott and tt or Scott and Milo can't be scum together.

If Scott's town means oneg is town.

Tt and Milo can be scum together. However I find it a bit hard to swallow.

Lynch Milo tomorrow more than likely over tt. This leaves the final lylo looking like oneg tt and Scott.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 14 2015 16:00 GMT
#2102
2Nd option should,be,magically bussed partner nhm.

Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 14 2015 16:01 GMT
#2103
Also I think,it's unlikely that Scott and oneg are mafia together. All they would have to do is stale,mate till,the last second and Scott switch back to me to,end the game.

Ve very likely not scum also, could of,hammered me Instead of scum.
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
June 14 2015 16:19 GMT
#2104
First of all, we're not lynching me. I haven't played the best posting game yes, since I'm on my phone. But I've voted correctly(well not on mafia everyday, but you know what it means.) every single day it seems. From my point of view, Scott pretty much has to be mafia, unless there are those VE shenanigans. That means when I made my decision before the plane, I was right. Honestly, this game would have been so much easier if you hadn't let the guy about to be lynched dictate who we lynched.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 14 2015 16:42 GMT
#2105
So basically Milo what you are saying is that you have been right the entire game no matter what and been on the right side of every lynch?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 14 2015 16:58 GMT
#2106
Also need you to explain all your reads, why Scott over me in that situation. Voting with both your scum,reads in that situation.

What made you think,all,those people early were town
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
June 14 2015 16:58 GMT
#2107
No. I've been saying my voting pattern is not one of scum. As for why I voted Scott, it's because the world of you/VE/Ticktock was the world of everyone who was trying to solve the game that last day.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 14 2015 17:02 GMT
#2108
Why isn't it one of scum exactly?

Ok but why then? Ve and myself been trying to solve game almost every day
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
June 14 2015 17:30 GMT
#2109
Because I've voted to defend town and lynch scum!

And VE/you, but VE especially gave reads and then expected everyone to fall down in awe. That last day you explained your reasoning, and I made a choice. Obviously the correct one. Honestly. If Nydus was scum with both Ticktock and I, why would he vote with us? He's trying to make his death make you mislynch me. We're still in permanent MyLo
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 14 2015 17:39 GMT
#2110
I don't get how that's against scum motivation. Unless you know for a fact Scott is mafia obviously. Do you know for sure.

There's lots of things his vote could,mean
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
June 14 2015 17:48 GMT
#2111
From my point of view, Scott almost has to be mafia unless scum missed a sure kill due to lack of coordination.
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 14 2015 18:00 GMT
#2112
Why Milo is mafia


Throws away/unvote Day 1, Wasted Voted Damdred Day 2 & 3, Votes me Day 4
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On June 14 2015 07:34 scott31337 wrote:
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Day 1 Vote Count

Milo109(0): Ritoky, Kickstart, VisceraEyes
Tictock(1): Sicklucker
Chocolate(4): VisceraEyes, VisceraEyes, Ritoky, VisceraEyes, Scott, Kickstart, Tictock
GGTemplar(1): Kickstart, Tictock, NydusHerMain, Scott, VisceraEyes
VisceraEyes(0): Chocolate, Milo109
Onegu(0): Fidei86, Chocolate
Kickstart(4): Damdred, Chocolate, Milo109, Ritoky, Fidei86
Damdred(1) Onegu

Not Voting (2): GGTemplar, Milo109

Currently, Kickstart is set to be executed. Day 1 ends in at 21:00 GMT (+00:00).


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Day 2 Final Vote Count

Shendelzare(0): Onegu
Chocolate(0): Tictock, NydusHerMain
Onegu(0): Scott, Damdred, NydusHerMain
Tictock(4): GGTemplar, GGTemplar, Fidei86, Chocolate, NydusHerMain
GGTemplar(6): VisceraEyes, Onegu, Tictock, Scott, Damdred, Shendelzare, Scott
VisceraEyes(0): GGTemplar
NydusHerMain(0): Damdred
Fidei86(0): Scott
Damdred(1): Milo109


Currently, GGTemplar is set to be executed. Day 2 ends in at 21:00 GMT (+00:00).



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Day 3 Final Vote Count

Chocolate(5): Scott, Tictock, VisceraEyes, Scott, NydusHerMain, Damdred
Tictock(1): Fidei86
VisceraEyes(1): Scott, Chocolate
Damdred(2): Onegu, Milo109

Currently, Chocolate is set to be executed. Day 3 ends in at 21:00 GMT (+00:00).


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[blue]Day 4 Vote Count

Damdred (0): Onegu, Scott, Milo109, NydusHerMain
Scott (3): Damdred, VisceraEyes, Tictock, Milo109, NydusHerMain
Tictock (0): Scott
NydusHerMain(4): Damdred, Scott, VisceraEyes, Onegu

Currently, NydusHerMain is set to be executed. Day 4 ends in at 21:00 GMT (+00:00).




Gives Nydus a white knight read when his filter isn't there for it and doesn't exist - overcorrects when Damdred calls him out for it
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On June 03 2015 08:09 milo109 wrote:
Now that I have a second to evaluate the game without immediate fear of being lynched...

I don't think that Chocolate is necessarily mafia for his one post. It's possible he had to go, and he was basing his read on Tiktok off of two posts. It seems a fine opener. Not sure if I like VE attempting to turn attention to someone unable to defend himself.

Nydus is my white knight, and I'm sure that will skew my opinion of him but he seems town just from the irreverent way he gave his reads.

I still don't like Kickstarter. I didn't like the tone of his accusation, and the way he quickly attempted to insure he wasn't thought of 'bandwagoning on me' as if he knew I would flip town.


On June 03 2015 08:24 milo109 wrote:
On June 03 2015 08:18 Damdred wrote:
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On June 03 2015 08:12 Damdred wrote:
On June 03 2015 08:09 milo109 wrote:
Now that I have a second to evaluate the game without immediate fear of being lynched...

I don't think that Chocolate is necessarily mafia for his one post. It's possible he had to go, and he was basing his read on Tiktok off of two posts. It seems a fine opener. Not sure if I like VE attempting to turn attention to someone unable to defend himself.

Nydus is my white knight, and I'm sure that will skew my opinion of him but he seems town just from the irreverent way he gave his reads.

I still don't like Kickstarter. I didn't like the tone of his accusation, and the way he quickly attempted to insure he wasn't thought of 'bandwagoning on me' as if he knew I would flip town.


Last point is actually a really good point.

Won't Scum give fast reads like that though with perfect information? Why wouldn't Scum,try to pocket you?

Why does ve have to wait for,chocolate when he didn't deliver on a promise


Please answer relevant questions

I assume you're talking about Nydus about the fast reads/perfect information? Because if you're speaking to my point on Chocolate, I don't think fast reads are bad necessarily. Mafia might shy away from them even with perfect information, for fear of future ramifications.

As for Nydus pocketing me, I specifically pointed that out. I'm aware of the possibility, but at the moment I don't think he is.

Saying 1v1 me is a promise is... stretching it.



Appeals to emotion when called out for having TMI, even if it's for a townie
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On June 03 2015 09:34 milo109 wrote:
GRR. This is frustrating me. I'm fine being read as scum for my own problems, but not for assuming that someone who hadn't posted was unable to defend themselves. HE WASN'T POSTING. THAT MEANT HE COULDN'T DIRECTLY RESPOND TO YOUR ACCUSATION.



Damdred is scum after night 1 with his KS vote and "non-commital", NHM is a light town now, keeps voting Damdred night two and three
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On June 05 2015 14:31 milo109 wrote:
Alright, looking back I think I've focused too much on defense and not enough time pushing my reads. Here's where I'm at
Chocolate Town
VE Mafia

I really don't want to get into that again. But I think that this is the way things do and should line up.

Other reads:
Ritocky is super town from the combination of both his activity level and the thought he puts into the game. I called him nitpicky earlier, but as the game goes on I appreciate the pressure he is putting on.

Nydus is a light town. I'm sorta getting a dimwit silly impression from him, and it seems hard to understand why mafia would want to fake that. I realllly don't like his last post though, so that bumped him down.

Fidei is town just for doing for the long, clear, and well-written way he conveys his thought processes. I've never felt jarred by of his logic.

Damdred is scum. His vote on Kickstart and the way he has been playing is so noncommital.

I still like Templar. You people don't understand his utterly dopey playstyle in video mafia. He plays here like he does there.

The problem with these reads is that means only one scum voted on Kickstart. And that's a real problem. I'll rethink this in the morning with my Onegu/Ticktock/Scott/New Guy sequel.

On June 09 2015 04:48 milo109 wrote:
When I voted you, there was only two votes on Tick. If I'd been back in time, I would have switched to him. It wouldn't have changed anything, but you're right, that would have been the correct play. Still. Just because I think Templar was town doesn't mean I think he is correct on everything. I still don't think Tick is hard scum. My statement on the two scum in voters if tick rock is scum is for future reference. Just thought he would have been a better lynch than Templar. Which is correct, considering we know he was town. As for not pushing you, read my filter. Almost all of my posts have been defending town and trying to get you(scum) lynched. Also. How can you think I'm pushing scum on everyone? I've pushed hard on three people this game. KS/You/VE. Notice two of you are still alive. KS was a mistake that I panicked and tried to rectify. I didn't correctly understand plurality, and I didn't realize I needed to vote Chcolate, which I didn't want to do.


Onto the future: I want to lynch Damdred. He did indeed vote on both town. Why is he proud of that? He spends most of his post calling everything I've done except the vote scummy and then doesn't even have the courage to lynch me until day 5(Which if we don't lynch a mafia by then, won't happen.) He knows I have too much town cred over my unvote to lynch me, so he'll try to get courage cred by mildly scum reading me while mislynching town. If you keep lynching in the Me/Chocolate/Fidei/Templar circle you're going to lose. I believe that we are all town. If Damdred flips town I'll revaluate but until we lynch outside that world, we can't move forward. I implore you town, don' t be swayed.




Tries to get credit for Tictock after the day is over and GG flips town
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On June 08 2015 07:06 milo109 wrote:
Shoot. I didn't get back in time to see the Tictock wagon build. He would have been a much better lynch.



Then backtracks on his Tictock scumread
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On June 09 2015 05:06 milo109 wrote:
I'm not freaking calling Ticktock scum. So stop trying to shield yourself with him. You said I was "blaming everyone." I apologize if I misread that, but that's what I was answering. What the hell are you talking about with Chocolate breaking promises? Did he promise to buy you a Popsicle and then not? This game isn't about promises. It's about finding scum. And I've found one. Oh and I am mentioning town cred only to ask why the hell you didn't have the balls to call me out before this. As you have said before, put your vote where your mouth is.



Already knows Chocolate is going to be a mislynch
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On June 10 2015 04:37 milo109 wrote:
You do realize that if we lynch Chocolate and he flips town, tommorrow is hell on earth?



Says VE/NMH/Damdred/Scott/Tictock lynch order, but jumps on the wagon on me - says Fidei and himself are confirmed town when they are not
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On June 11 2015 08:06 milo109 wrote:
I agree with Fidei that the two of us are almost confirmed town. We need to find the last two town. Obviously, the night kill will help eliminate an option. At the -moment- I'm thinking of a lynch order like
VE
NMH
Damdred
Scott
Tictock.




Calling VE/Damdred almost scum after Nydus's list post
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[B]On June 12 2015 04:56 milo109 wrote:
From my point of view, VE/Damdred are almost confirmed scum after that town read.



Conclusions -

Wasted votes Damdred day two and three - never actually pushes him, changes his mind on him day four - votes for his scumreads anyway day four trying to mislynch me and win the game

Interactions with Tictock/NHM are basically non-existant - says he wants Tictock lynched but never follows thru on it after GGtemplar day 2 but tries to get credit - and is flip floppy on NHM

Hasn't been contributing to the game and steering town in the right direction

Milo is mafia.
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 14 2015 18:27 GMT
#2113
It's not a bad case, I think a great point is how he has a scum read on tt but only votes me that day.

Could of possibly lynched tt maybe...

Anyway he's been really right all game.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 14 2015 18:38 GMT
#2114
I haven't had much time to think this through much myself.

What about a world where Onegu and Milo are both scum?

I'm still leaning scum on scott myself, but there is a world where he might be town here.
I can take that responsibility.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 14 2015 18:41 GMT
#2115
It's literally impossible that oneg+Milo is the scum team. If they are Idk what to think,about oneg anymore.
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
June 14 2015 18:44 GMT
#2116
I've explained the point on Tictock ten trillion times. I refuse to do so again.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 14 2015 18:47 GMT
#2117
That's to bad then you get lynched tomorrow.

This is lylo without either damdred or ve tomorrow. So when you are asked I want the answer again.

Honestly you have barely explained yourself all game so now is the perfect time to,start.

And At the same time you lost your tt scum read as the fame went along. So explain the progression non vote to save town read and then where you are now.
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
June 14 2015 18:51 GMT
#2118
On June 09 2015 04:48 milo109 wrote:
When I voted you, there was only two votes on Tick. If I'd been back in time, I would have switched to him. It wouldn't have changed anything, but you're right, that would have been the correct play. Still. Just because I think Templar was town doesn't mean I think he is correct on everything. I still don't think Tick is hard scum. My statement on the two scum in voters if tick rock is scum is for future reference. Just thought he would have been a better lynch than Templar.


On June 09 2015 05:06 milo109 wrote:
I'm not freaking calling Ticktock scum.



Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 14 2015 18:57 GMT
#2119
On June 08 2015 09:22 milo109 wrote:
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On June 08 2015 09:13 Tictock wrote:
On June 08 2015 09:08 milo109 wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:41 Damdred wrote:
You said that there were at least two scum on Templars right?

IF ticktock is scum. Which I'm not certain about, though the votes on him look pretty good.


Why DO you think I could be scum?

Honestly atm, I only understand Fidei's reasons for voting me. I guess I understand GG's reasons too, I just found them to be shit.


Damdred

then

VE

then maybe you

then maybe Onegu

then maybe Scott

then maybe Shendel



Basically this post infers that you lightly suck read tt.

You also say at other point you aren't 100% scumming tt but the votes on him look good.

So yes a bit more elaboration would be good at this point.

Also your hypothesis that two scum will,be elsewhere if tick,is,mafia etc looks like tmi in hindsight
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
June 14 2015 18:59 GMT
#2120
I apologize for having correct logic. And yes. Ticktock was a fence read for me for most of Day 2/3. He was usually lightly scum, but I had more important fish to fry. Sadly, those more important fish are confirmed town.
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