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Day 1 Vote Count
Milo109(0): Ritoky, Kickstart, VisceraEyes
Tictock(1): Sicklucker
Chocolate(4): VisceraEyes, VisceraEyes, Ritoky, VisceraEyes, Scott, Kickstart, Tictock
GGTemplar(1): Kickstart, Tictock, NydusHerMain, Scott, VisceraEyes
VisceraEyes(0): Chocolate, Milo109
Onegu(0): Fidei86, Chocolate
Kickstart(4): Damdred, Chocolate, Milo109, Ritoky, Fidei86
Damdred(1) Onegu
Not Voting (2): GGTemplar, Milo109
Currently, Kickstart is set to be executed. Day 1 ends in at 21:00 GMT (+00:00).
Day 2 Final Vote Count
Shendelzare(0): Onegu
Chocolate(0): Tictock, NydusHerMain
Onegu(0): Scott, Damdred, NydusHerMain
Tictock(4): GGTemplar, GGTemplar, Fidei86, Chocolate, NydusHerMain
GGTemplar(6): VisceraEyes, Onegu, Tictock, Scott, Damdred, Shendelzare, Scott
VisceraEyes(0): GGTemplar
NydusHerMain(0): Damdred
Fidei86(0): Scott
Damdred(1): Milo109
Currently, GGTemplar is set to be executed. Day 2 ends in at 21:00 GMT (+00:00).
Day 3 Final Vote Count
Chocolate(5): Scott, Tictock, VisceraEyes, Scott, NydusHerMain, Damdred
Tictock(1): Fidei86
VisceraEyes(1): Scott, Chocolate
Damdred(2): Onegu, Milo109
Currently, Chocolate is set to be executed. Day 3 ends in at 21:00 GMT (+00:00).
[blue][b]Day 4 Vote Count
Damdred (0): Onegu, Scott, Milo109, NydusHerMain
Scott (3): Damdred, VisceraEyes, Tictock, Milo109, NydusHerMain
Tictock (0): Scott
NydusHerMain(4): Damdred, Scott, VisceraEyes, Onegu
Currently, NydusHerMain is set to be executed. Day 4 ends in at 21:00 GMT (+00:00).
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Okay now that's done let me see if I can find any patterns.
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They never vote together before today basically.
Nhm was light bussing tt by the logic d2. D3 never mentions tt again.
Milo,never voted with them ever after they voted and usually wasted his vote
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On June 12 2015 13:19 scott31337 wrote:
Tictock, so I just checked NYM's filter and he interacts extremely little with you, even though you have one of the biggest filters. What do you think about that and NYM?
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Based on the fact that steve voted on someone else JUST BEFORE he voted for Nydus yesterday, I have to say that I'm still harboring a secret world where he decided that he was more important to the mafia team than lurker Nydus, and orchestrated with teammate Onegu to hyperbus Nydus instead of himself dying.
1) Steve could have gotten a wagon rolling on Nydus MUCH sooner, he mentioned being suspicious of Nydus earlier and townies (myself included) were murmuring assent. Yet he didn't try and get Nydus lynched then, he stayed on Damdred with Onegu. It wasn't until we finally got milo's vote that steve did anything at all to fight his lynch actually. And when he did move his vote, he moved it to Ticktock first. Not Nydus.
2) Milo (presumed townie before flip) and Ticktock (general townread before flip) were both going to be AFK for the flip, explicitly in the thread I believe. If they're townies on mafia steve then a switch to mafia Nydus looks REALLY BAD for them.
3) Onegu's vote was meaningless - we had majority on Nydus before Onegu moved. Also Nydus (confirmed mafia after the flip) moved his vote to Steve - distancing much?
Anyway, I just wanted that out there before I die. I still think it's at lest fairly likely that Steve and Onegu are mafia. I'm trying to reevaluate, but this has to be in the thread.
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steve = scott in my last post. Don't smoke and post.
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Alright. Well. I come back to this. First of all, I want to call all of you risky fools. That could have gone wrong a million ways. However, it didn't. And we finally hit mafia. Which is awesome. Now the problem for me is why it didn't go wrong. If Nydus's mafia partner was paying attention, then they obviously had enough votes to mislynch Scott. Unless he isn't a mislynch. VE mentioned his bad internet. It's possible that he was the partner, and wasn't confident in switching votes. I don't think that's the case though. I think Scott realized he wasn't going to prevent the lynch on himself, and lead a bus on his partner.
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Damdred almost has to be confirmed town here? And if we ignore VE's internet, he has to be too, right?
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Sweet Fing Jesus thank god we got Mafia.
I would have been completely down to swap my vote to Nydus if you guys had been talking about it earlier, and I'm really sorry I wasn't around for EoD to talk things out with everyone. I often have to leave for work a little before EoD but today I also had to spend like 4 hours pumping water out of my basement and now have a week of throwing out all the waterlogged shit we have down there to look forward too.
I'm pretty sure I answered scotts question at some point, but if I did not it was due to me being distracted with other stuff. I could honestly care less that lurking mafia Nydus didn't mention me expect when I was looking like a convenient mislynch. I've given several reads on Nydus and have always found him to be rather scummy, but Nydus was good at staying in the background while there were better looking targets. I blame myself and my tendency to get tunneled on people, I've been trying to do better about it but clearly I have more to work on.
I can still see a world where Scott is scum here and that he and Onegu could have just decided to bus their partner to get towncred and try to solidify their position for another LyLo tomorrow. However, I'm actually agreeing with scott here, Milo is looking really bad and I hate that he only has his D1 one unvote thing that looks towny and everything else is shit.
There has be be the last 2 Mafia in Scott/Onegu/Milo and I'm still fairly certain Scott is mafia here. So I just need to try and work out if Onegu is town or not... and see if I can make sense of why scum!Milo would pull that unvote stunt and remove his only claim to towncred this game.
I swear to god if you guys lynch me and lose the game because some RL situation has come up and forced me to take some time off from this game I'm going to be pissed at all of you for months to follow. I even made an effort to put time into my own read and case on Scott while dealing with this crap when I could have easily just sheeped Damdred's case. So fuck off about my "excuses" when I'm still clearly trying to play this game despite dealing with other shit.
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On June 14 2015 12:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
steve = scott in my last post. Don't smoke and post.
I have a very different rule about this... 
Especially lately it's one of the few things that helps me relax when shit gets frustrating and I find it good for filter diving, specially large filters.
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@ Milo
Why did you vote Scott? The wagon on Damdred was still going when you voted, so why vote with your two scumreads and vote Scott?
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On June 14 2015 12:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
Based on the fact that steve voted on someone else JUST BEFORE he voted for Nydus yesterday, I have to say that I'm still harboring a secret world where he decided that he was more important to the mafia team than lurker Nydus, and orchestrated with teammate Onegu to hyperbus Nydus instead of himself dying.
1) Steve could have gotten a wagon rolling on Nydus MUCH sooner, he mentioned being suspicious of Nydus earlier and townies (myself included) were murmuring assent. Yet he didn't try and get Nydus lynched then, he stayed on Damdred with Onegu. It wasn't until we finally got milo's vote that steve did anything at all to fight his lynch actually. And when he did move his vote, he moved it to Ticktock first. Not Nydus.
2) Milo (presumed townie before flip) and Ticktock (general townread before flip) were both going to be AFK for the flip, explicitly in the thread I believe. If they're townies on mafia steve then a switch to mafia Nydus looks REALLY BAD for them.
3) Onegu's vote was meaningless - we had majority on Nydus before Onegu moved. Also Nydus (confirmed mafia after the flip) moved his vote to Steve - distancing much?
Anyway, I just wanted that out there before I die. I still think it's at lest fairly likely that Steve and Onegu are mafia. I'm trying to reevaluate, but this has to be in the thread.
This bolded point is actually pretty huge imo. I'm not very good at vote analysis generally and since I wasn't around I don't have a good sense of how EoD went down yet (I read everything, but I suppose I should look harder at how the votes went down).
Point 1 is pretty good too, though honestly I feel like I failed to push for a Nydus lynch myself even though I was scumreading him much more earlier in the game (I admit he was off my radar today since I was distracted with other stuff). So I know I am guilty of this as well, though with Scott under pressure it does seem even more odd that he spent time making a "town case" for himself rather than try and push other scumreads of his.
I'm also pretty concerned about how easily Scott fipped his read on me. Last night phase he said I was his top townread. It seems like that was only the case when I was townreading scott though... interesting. All he's really brought against me is that I A) Voted for him and B) "shouldn't be alive" kus I've been so towny...
Does that make much sense to anyone?
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@ Onegu
Who are you reading as scum now?
On June 14 2015 06:08 Onegu wrote:
But this means Damdred prolly not scum..
I don't understand this post. You've been so sure on your rule all game, even when Shen flipped town you claimed Damdred was complete scum based on your rule... Now that it's actually caught someone why are you doubting it?
Also since Nydus was also a violator on your rule, why did it take you so long to switch your vote to him?
I'm having an even harder time following your thinking through EoD than I have this whole game... Expect if I imagine you as Scum pushing your teammate in a last ditch effort for towncred...
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So the only thing I like about VE's post is that the Onegu vote doesn't actually count and he shouldn't get a free pass for it. This does make sense. NHM had three votes, and Onegu added his fourth. I would've only had three votes with Nydus's vote but NHM had three votes first. Milo was on a plane and Tictock had his water issues, so we have to assume they weren't able to switch votes.
So now on to the tinfoil hat that Onegu and I bussed NHM becuase I was more important scum then NHM was, which is about as crazy as the VE/Damdred/Chocolate bus theory. I said NHM was at the bottom of my list, but I didn't see a world of trying to push NHM earlier. The NHM voting came a little bit after my town concede post, which I meant every word. I'm glad Damdred had second thoughts and we were able to lynch NHM. I just don't see a clear world that me and Onegu communicated to bus NHM in such a short amount of time - and we didn't because I'm town. The above point I like because it doesn't 100% clear Onegu. Milo and Tictock sure were happy to jump on the bus train though.
It sounds like scum isn't going to give up this easily though, but having NHM's filter to work with is a start.
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On June 14 2015 15:09 Tictock wrote:@ Onegu Who are you reading as scum now? I don't understand this post. You've been so sure on your rule all game, even when Shen flipped town you claimed Damdred was complete scum based on your rule... Now that it's actually caught someone why are you doubting it? Also since Nydus was also a violator on your rule, why did it take you so long to switch your vote to him? I'm having an even harder time following your thinking through EoD than I have this whole game... Expect if I imagine you as Scum pushing your teammate in a last ditch effort for towncred...
Unless scum team is Scott, Damdred, NHM. Then damdred switching to a scum wagon makes him 99% town. If he was scum and Scott town he just keeps his vote on Scott.
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If Onegu would vote me and the game would be over if he was mafia, he knows I would be town - why am I overthinking this, that was my instinct after the lynch.
It's Milo/TT
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It would be hilarious if they shoot me because I'm right and try to go after Onegu.
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On June 14 2015 16:39 scott31337 wrote:
It would be hilarious if they shoot me because I'm right and try to go after Onegu.
They cant shoot you. Shooting you clears me. The only way I could possibly be scum is if you are scum.
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Day 4 Vote Count
Damdred (0): Onegu, Scott, milo109, NydusHerMain
Scott (3): Damdred, VisceraEyes, Tictock, milo109, NydusHerMain
Tictock (0): Scott
NydusHerMain(4): Damdred, Scott, VisceraEyes, Onegu
So here are the final votes for the Day.
As I see it, we have Onegu & Scott starting a wagon on Damdred. We all knew Onegu was going to vote Damdred today as this was stated well in advance. Scott votes in response to Damdred's case on him.
Milo joined the Damdred wagon, but then jumps off it like he is reconsidering who he wants to vote. I don't think he ever really tells us why or what he is thinking... so bleh
Damdred votes scott after making his case, VE joins that vote. Later on I get on this wagon as well.
Ok boring stuff out of the way
Now at end of day we have scott defending his life and Onegu pushing for "Scumdred" Eventually the idea of lynching Nydus is brought up
Damdred was the first person to suggest this notion and VE quickly agrees (though he doesn't vote Nydus till much later...). At this point I was already AFK, the post I made at the top of pg 101 was the only 5 min I had to post this game. Hence my apologies *stares at VE* + Show Spoiler +I would have supported this push on Nydus just for everyone's information
Scott is quite adiment at this point that he prefers to vote on me, and does so. However, he later comes out with this post.
On June 14 2015 05:02 scott31337 wrote:
One of the major things was in my townpost - How he is still alive D4 when he seemed to be shitting town rainbows - I had a general town consensus (TT did on me as well until n3/d4) and every one turned on me. I'm willing to vote onegu but I think that'll end the game as well, but it's better then the chance we have going at this moment (Unless you are mafia).
NHM has a better chance of continuing the game though if we vote him.
If you were mafia why would you bring up the second chance thoughts unless you just want to fuck with us just for fun (haha) because you already had the game in the bag, is what I'm wondering now.
That's an odd way to say someone is scum. This bolded line really feels like TMI to me as well. Why is scott suddenly so sure a Nydus lynch will keep the game going? He's been fine to just defend himself and vote Damdred, but when there is a sense that this vote could switch to Nydus he jumps all over it.
Onegu switches to Nydus pretty late (:51) very reluctant to move off Damdred even for another person who broke his rule.
Then Nydus jumps his vote to scott very late (:56) ?
This is an odd move, it looks like Nydus is suddenly siding with Milo and Myself... but why?
On June 14 2015 05:57 NydusHerMain wrote:
Taking advantage of an ark w e lose if you vote me but I bet there's a town in ticktock or milo and I lose anyways since they're busy zzzz gg
This was Nydus' post right after he voted scott. Knowing that he was going to flip red he sides with Milo and I calling us town? Would he do that if we were his scum mates? I mean it kinda outs the 3 of us together far too well doesn't it?
I'm looking at the votes and I see clear evidence that this whole play was thought out in QT after Damdred suggests Nydus as a lynch. Damdreds post his suggestion then about 17 min later scott made this post. 17 min is ample time for an active scum team to plan a play like this out. Both Scott and Onegu were clearly active and posting at the time, and I think we can safely assume Nydus was lurking (as he has been all game with a 4 page filter >.<).
Scott is suddenly so sure about Milo and I, but I'm not seeing what his reasoning is. It all just seems too convenient to me that Nydus suicides onto scott for no reason at EoD and this leads scott to scumming the 3 of us as a team.
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On June 14 2015 17:16 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +
Day 4 Vote Count
Damdred (0): Onegu, Scott, milo109, NydusHerMain
Scott (3): Damdred, VisceraEyes, Tictock, milo109, NydusHerMain
Tictock (0): Scott
NydusHerMain(4): Damdred, Scott, VisceraEyes, Onegu
So here are the final votes for the Day. As I see it, we have Onegu & Scott starting a wagon on Damdred. We all knew Onegu was going to vote Damdred today as this was stated well in advance. Scott votes in response to Damdred's case on him. Milo joined the Damdred wagon, but then jumps off it like he is reconsidering who he wants to vote. I don't think he ever really tells us why or what he is thinking... so bleh Damdred votes scott after making his case, VE joins that vote. Later on I get on this wagon as well. Ok boring stuff out of the way Now at end of day we have scott defending his life and Onegu pushing for "Scumdred" Eventually the idea of lynching Nydus is brought up Damdred was the first person to suggest this notion and VE quickly agrees (though he doesn't vote Nydus till much later...). At this point I was already AFK, the post I made at the top of pg 101 was the only 5 min I had to post this game. Hence my apologies *stares at VE* + Show Spoiler +I would have supported this push on Nydus just for everyone's information Scott is quite adiment at this point that he prefers to vote on me, and does so. However, he later comes out with this post. Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:02 scott31337 wrote:
One of the major things was in my townpost - How he is still alive D4 when he seemed to be shitting town rainbows - I had a general town consensus (TT did on me as well until n3/d4) and every one turned on me. I'm willing to vote onegu but I think that'll end the game as well, but it's better then the chance we have going at this moment (Unless you are mafia).
NHM has a better chance of continuing the game though if we vote him.
If you were mafia why would you bring up the second chance thoughts unless you just want to fuck with us just for fun (haha) because you already had the game in the bag, is what I'm wondering now.
That's an odd way to say someone is scum. This bolded line really feels like TMI to me as well. Why is scott suddenly so sure a Nydus lynch will keep the game going? He's been fine to just defend himself and vote Damdred, but when there is a sense that this vote could switch to Nydus he jumps all over it. I call it intuition. Onegu has felt more like town this game, when Nydus has not. Damdred said himself "I'm not lynching TT today, it's Onegu or NHM" - Onegu has felt more town then Nydus (With Nydus lurking a lot, his throw in post about my math being bad, etc) I went with Nydus. I was right on both of them. There is like a .5% chance it's VE - but I"ve felt VE town most of the game, he passed my battrap, and if he was mafia, or Onegu, they could've vote switched on to me at the end.Onegu switches to Nydus pretty late (:51) very reluctant to move off Damdred even for another person who broke his rule. Then Nydus jumps his vote to scott very late (:56) ? This is an odd move, it looks like Nydus is suddenly siding with Milo and Myself... but why? Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:57 NydusHerMain wrote:
Taking advantage of an ark w e lose if you vote me but I bet there's a town in ticktock or milo and I lose anyways since they're busy zzzz gg This was Nydus' post right after he voted scott. Knowing that he was going to flip red he sides with Milo and I calling us town? Would he do that if we were his scum mates? I mean it kinda outs the 3 of us together far too well doesn't it? It's WIFOM - I pointed it out for the reasons I did, and so did you - but to outsiders It's WIFOM. I'm looking at the votes and I see clear evidence that this whole play was thought out in QT after Damdred suggests Nydus as a lynch. Damdreds post his suggestion then about 17 min later scott made this post. 17 min is ample time for an active scum team to plan a play like this out. Both Scott and Onegu were clearly active and posting at the time, and I think we can safely assume Nydus was lurking (as he has been all game with a 4 page filter >.<). You are the only one with a QT my friend. Scott is suddenly so sure about Milo and I, but I'm not seeing what his reasoning is. It all just seems too convenient to me that Nydus suicides onto scott for no reason at EoD and this leads scott to scumming the 3 of us as a team.
Okay -
Here's the end day vote count.
Damdred (0): Onegu, Scott, Milo109, NydusHerMain
Scott (3): Damdred, VisceraEyes, Tictock, Milo109, NydusHerMain
Tictock (0): Scott
NydusHerMain(4): Damdred, Scott, VisceraEyes, Onegu
Currently, NydusHerMain is set to be executed. Day 4 ends in at 21:00 GMT (+00:00).
(Bold response in your quote as well)
If anyone who is voting for NHM (Damdred, Scott, VisceraEyes, Onegu) are not town and I am - they simply switch votes with the five minutes left on to me and the games over (Scott is mislynched with four votes as VT, GG scum wins).Easy enough sentence for me to understand. It never happened. So all of these people are basically confirmed town now to me. Onegu knows he is town as well from the above, and also knows that the bus theory is crap. Who's left? Milo and TT. Unless someone wasn't playing to their Wincon. there's no other logical answer.
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