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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 10 2015 21:59 GMT
#1701
So let me get this straight... its the towns fault for someone acting super scummy all game? And then voting them off?

Ok.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 10 2015 22:00 GMT
#1702
Yeah it is actually.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 10 2015 22:01 GMT
#1703
Ok explain to me how its towns fault? You explained a narrative of a world where chocolate was town, when chocolate himself didn't even really try to avoid the noose. Gave us little to no information the day he was going to be lynched, kept promising activity and never really delivered. And was overall pretty scummy...

Sooo?
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 10 2015 22:01 GMT
#1704
You can tell yourself "oh, he wasn't sufficiently townie" but the reality is that you were wrong. You were wrong. Blame others, or blame yourself. You're the one who has to live with this, just like I have to live with the KS vote.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 10 2015 22:02 GMT
#1705
This is my first fucking game of this, and I managed to work out he wasn't scum. If you think you're such a fucking genius, why didn't you work that out also.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 10 2015 22:05 GMT
#1706
He acted scummy as fuck Fidei, he never tried to not get lynched today. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it, I don't care if this is your first or your 100th game, if someone acts scummy as hell gets voted out and flips town I won't say bad town, bad bad.

I'll look back see what went wrong and try to correct it. Chocolate was town it makes the first days vote really interesting.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 10 2015 22:13 GMT
#1707
Milo and I are town. 3 of 6 of you are Mafia. Figure it out.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 10 2015 22:16 GMT
#1708
Look at it this way with all of the confirmed information that we have

Tictock(1): sicklucker
Chocolate(4): VisceraEyes, VisceraEyes, ritoky, VisceraEyes, Scott, Kickstart, Tictock
[green]GGTemplar(1):[/green\ Kickstart, Tictock, NydusHerMain, Scott, VisceraEyes
Kickstart(4): Damdred, Chocolate, milo109, ritoky, Fidei86
Damdred(1) Onegu

Not Voting (2): GGTemplar, milo109

We now know all three major wagons d1 were town. GGTemplar, chocolate and Kickstart.

What does this tell us? Scum was in the most excellent position D1 due to how thread crapped the bed trying to find scum and how people were going about it.

What would scum motivation be for moving to Kickstart when I pushed the wagon? What would scums motivation be to unvote town kickstart and not vote town chocolate there? With another town up for lynch they could stay put and fake afk or some such.

I don't see much scum motivation going into the lynch to really be that active and do much of anything or want to move the vote. Or even be useful.

I think i'm pretty safe in thinking that Fidei is town here, sounds really to passionate for a first time player on the verge of a loss. It just resonates with me and feels right. So i'll go on and color him in green.


Tictock(1): sicklucker
Chocolate(4): VisceraEyes, VisceraEyes, ritoky, VisceraEyes, Scott, Kickstart, Tictock
[green]GGTemplar(1):[/green\ Kickstart, Tictock, NydusHerMain, Scott, VisceraEyes
Kickstart(4): Damdred, Chocolate, milo109, ritoky, Fidei86
Damdred(1) Onegu

The most amazing thing is that this makes the entirety of the KS wagon town. Which means to me at this juncture at least 2 scum have to be inside

VE, Scott, Ticktock and Onegu. Milo is still an outside possibility for a third scum I think, but it hink at this juncture especially with chocolate flipping town its much more likely that he was town, I don't see much scum motivation anymore not hammering town chocolate he had every opportunity and reason to do it and not risk a mod kill.

I'm pretty convinced hes town. So we just have to find the one town in this group of four and the game is over.

This is what i'm going to focus on here over the next 24 hours. Trying to figure out if TT is scum or not will be the hardest because hes putting in the most effort currently.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 10 2015 22:16 GMT
#1709
On June 11 2015 07:13 Fidei86 wrote:
Milo and I are town. 3 of 6 of you are Mafia. Figure it out.


This is the wrong attitude to take, get out of the funk and get to work
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 10 2015 22:18 GMT
#1710
I also forgot about NHM so actually its more like

NHM, Onegu, Scott, VE, Ticktock. Got to find the two towns and three scum in there.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
June 10 2015 22:28 GMT
#1711
Everyone is town, host trolls us. ggnore
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 10 2015 22:39 GMT
#1712
Agreed Damdred. I'm just frustrated. I'll come back tomorrow.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 10 2015 22:42 GMT
#1713
[QUOTE]On June 11 2015 07:42 Damdred wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 08 2015 06:30 GlowingBear wrote:
Day 2 Final Vote Count


Tictock(4): GGTemplar, GGTemplar, Fidei86, Chocolate, NydusHerMain
GGTemplar(6): VisceraEyes, Onegu, Tictock, Scott, Damdred, Shendelzare, Scott
Damdred(1): milo109

I put reads and confirmed towns into this information (or rather reads from my previous post as i'm trying to start from scratch and just looking at votes and what I think is motivations).

I actually read back through some of scotts past games and one thing I noticed is a completely different tone here. When he was town in his last game he sounded really jubilant and wasn't giving huge walls of texts at all everything was clear and concise and when he started to think he was wrong or might be he initially apologized to the people and then tried to work with them.

Here hes not really like that, to me at points he sounds angry and hes much wordier than he was in his latest town game, and the posts look more like his scum games. He blends in pretty well I think without pushing a lot of the thread forward himself. Also I pointed it out in one of my posts earlier about how crappy acting he was towards me, its just a horribly angry attitude and is vastly different then his last town game as well.

Also the most important thing about this vote and scott I think is that when he went to vote his first thought was Damdred is bussing rather than, my scum read damdred is onboard with this lynch what should this mean to me?

Also he says hes going to vote Fideli during the night. But never mentions him ends up on chocolate last night, well he does mention him that he looks better. But after he said if i'm alive i'm going to be on fideli etc. he doesn't really mention him during the day or try to pressure him.

He also has that weird onegu is town read that he has went towards and backed off of.

I'm kinda convinced that scott is scum here.

TLDR: First scum read is scott
His tone is different from his last town game.
Really angry sounding and confrontational
Rather than working with people and trying to see how he is wrong
Sometimes forgets reads or goes back on them at a moments notice when almost nothing has changed (oneg)
Votes with his scum read but just says it must be a bus rather than looking at the alternatives[/QUOTE]
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 10 2015 22:42 GMT
#1714
Dammit I posted that in the wrong thread, GB FORGIVE ME!!!!
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 10 2015 22:59 GMT
#1715
So lets say i'm right about scott (which I actually think is kinda likely)

[QUOTE]On June 11 2015 07:42 Damdred wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 08 2015 06:30 GlowingBear wrote:
Day 2 Final Vote Count


Tictock(4):, GGTemplar, Fidei86, Chocolate, NydusHerMain
GGTemplar(6): VisceraEyes, Onegu, Tictock, Damdred, Shendelzare, Scott
Damdred(1): milo109

This is what d2 vote looks like if we color them in like this


Tictock(1): sicklucker
Chocolate(4): , VisceraEyes, Scott, Kickstart, Tictock
GGTemplar(1): NydusHerMain,
Kickstart(4): Damdred, Chocolate, ritoky, Fidei86
Damdred(1) Onegu

And this is day one.

I actually think Nydus is another scum here. I mentioned some things he said earlier in the thread d1 but haven't paid much attention to him since then.

I'll make this one pretty short but overall his play has been really lurky.

D1 he votes Templar without much interaction with him and never really pressures him to figure out his alignment. He doesn't really care where his vote is or what it is doing. He is just there most of the time.

When he does give scum reads he has little to no reasoning behind them and sometimes scum reads every person in the game at once without pushing anyone.

His vote D1 was wasted, he voted with his scum read d2.

He did vote someone he said was scum the entirty of d3 however.

I think hes a pretty good catch for scum here.
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
June 10 2015 23:06 GMT
#1716
I agree with Fidei that the two of us are almost confirmed town. We need to find the last two town. Obviously, the night kill will help eliminate an option. At the -moment- I'm thinking of a lynch order like
VE
NMH
Damdred
Scott
Tictock.
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
June 10 2015 23:06 GMT
#1717
Of course that assumes one of us don't die tonight, which is very probable.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 10 2015 23:07 GMT
#1718
Okay so does a Scott dhm alliance make sense
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 10 2015 23:07 GMT
#1719
Is that from scummiest to non scummies? or bottom scummy top town
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 10 2015 23:10 GMT
#1720
On June 11 2015 08:07 Fidei86 wrote:
Okay so does a Scott dhm alliance make sense


I think it does. They have very little interaction between them from reading the filter, maybe one or two mentions from NHM about scott.

One is voting on a town wagon without doing much to push his own thoughts on why he thinks x is more scummy at that time.

One is wasteing a vote, it sorta makes sense.

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