On May 23 2015 08:44 NydusHerMain wrote:
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On May 23 2015 08:44 NydusHerMain wrote: /in Oh look, it's that guy. Hiya that guy!!! ^^ /in | ||
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On May 23 2015 00:40 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On May 23 2015 00:30 justanothertownie wrote: On May 22 2015 23:36 marvellosity wrote: naw it's 10pm ^^ Guess you need to stop working out then and /in. pish. vanity > mafia :p I'm in, and you know I'll go on and on about how beautiful you are. Why not have both? | ||
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On May 27 2015 02:48 GlowingBear wrote: Show nested quote + On May 26 2015 14:28 Tictock wrote: Cool thanks GB. I was drawn in by your kickass flavor here ^.^ I'd definitly /in but no way am I playing in 2 games when I'm still so green Cool! I'm glad you liked it. Gonna put more effort to develop the storyline ![]() By the way, you can't be that green because I didn't even send you a role PM yet HAHA I AM SO FUNNY ![]() | ||
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On May 29 2015 03:17 GlowingBear wrote: Show nested quote + On May 29 2015 02:03 VisceraEyes wrote: Don't worry bby. I'll protect you from the mean ol' veterans. Said the ice cream seller before putting the innocent child in the back of his truck ![]() - That's right, just a little closer....... | ||
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This has been a public service announcement by VisceraEyes. So far the person that sticks out the most to me is Chocolate. On June 03 2015 06:08 Chocolate wrote: I just wanted to vote you because your opening post was weirdly cheery I don't know who you are either lol As for kickstart's post, I also played some games in 2012/2013 I believe. I'll go back and see if I played with any of you people Aside from a vote, this is his only post in the game. Does "weirdly cheery" make ticktock mafia? Without context, this post just looks like he's trying to be seen in the thread, which is consistent with mafia trying to hide in plain sight. Why does a townie Chocolate even make this post? Further, in his vote post he wants tick to "1v1 me mate"....which if the lynch is boiled down to Chocolate/ticktock then I'm lynching Chocolate 100 times out of 100 based on what's in the thread right now....if he's town and wants ticktock to interact with him, then why does he disappear? | ||
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If yes, vote for Chocolate. If no, vote for me so I can vote for you. | ||
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On June 03 2015 07:58 Kickstart wrote: Show nested quote + On June 03 2015 07:52 NydusHerMain wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 03 2015 07:43 Kickstart wrote: Show nested quote + On June 03 2015 07:33 NydusHerMain wrote: Okay so I was formatting and pressed the wrong button.... to save myself the embarassment... I'm just going to barebone the rest -_- .... Even though I said I didn't like Kickstarter, I also, funny enough, don't like Ritoky. His playstyle is just something I'm willing to vote on irrelevant of alignment. If we lynch him and he flips mafia, I'll gladly take the credit. If he flips town, I gladly take the blame. I have a town read on Milo, I liked his reaction to Damdred and I liked that he was pressuring Ritoky (or at least attempting to). I don't see what's scummy about him to Kickstarter. Everything he says seems genuine to me. Also, I'm kind of glad I pressed post by accident because I'm not a very frequent poster (I usually just post big WoTs or at least plan to) and I was scared I wouldn't meet the 10 posts per 72 hours rule. Phew.... See you guys again in 9 hours since I just need to make 1 post per 9 hours to meet the quota for this cycle. PEACE The rest of your post is even more odd to me. For one you just aligned yourself with Milo, for seemingly no reason (and I will also point out that you specifically mentioned his reaction to Damdred which was exactly what milo used as a town read on Damred but which is something that didn't stick out at all to me). Right now I clearly see a milo, Nydus, Damdred connection here which I find really odd given that, in my opinion, nothing has happened for you three to align yourselves like this. To be fair, Damdred has said nothing to align himself with them Nydus but there is a slight connection there in that these 3 seem to be thinking alike and making the same points. @Damdred Can you give detailed thoughts on milo and Nydus strange posts? Also, while I'm posting this Damdred also defended milo, making the link between them 2 even stronger. Another thing about your post that I quoted Nydus is that I really don't like that you said you are willing to vote ritocky just because you don't like his posting. Scum are the ones who don't care who is lynched, and the fact that you state that you don't care if he is town and is lynched is not an opinion a towns person should have. HAHAHAHA loaded question much? Anyways, I didn't completely flesh out my Milo townread because I was kind of annoyed that I hit post before I even finished posting and when I was about to edit, I remembered it was against the rules. To me, I think he's defending himself decently against both you and Ritoky, and his vote on Ritoky didn't feel out of place. I saw it as a pressure vote and didn't see it as anything he was going to keep forever unless he continued to see Ritoky as scummy. When someone called him out for contradiction, he admitted to making the mistake pretty quickly and I don't think that it's scummy to be stuck making a logic error. If he tried to stick with the error and pretend that it was correct, then I would think he was scummy but he did the opposite. That makes sense I guess. I would still like you to explain why you stated you would be fine voting ritocky just because you don't like his posting. I find it scummy that you stated you don't care if ritocky is town or scum but that you would be happy having him gone either way, so I would still like you to expand on this... I actually got the opposite read off Nydus' comment about ritoky: I find it very unlikely that Nydus comes in and says something as controversial as "I would lynch ritoky regardless of his alignment" as mafia. I find it far more likely that he says somethign like that as town. | ||
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On June 03 2015 08:01 NydusHerMain wrote: Show nested quote + On June 03 2015 07:56 VisceraEyes wrote: Nydus can we be town together this game? That would be swell. If yes, vote for Chocolate. If no, vote for me so I can vote for you. If I vote on no one, am I claiming third party? Also, don't you have to prove town to me first? ![]() Show nested quote + On June 03 2015 07:58 Kickstart wrote: On June 03 2015 07:52 NydusHerMain wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 03 2015 07:43 Kickstart wrote: Show nested quote + On June 03 2015 07:33 NydusHerMain wrote: Okay so I was formatting and pressed the wrong button.... to save myself the embarassment... I'm just going to barebone the rest -_- .... Even though I said I didn't like Kickstarter, I also, funny enough, don't like Ritoky. His playstyle is just something I'm willing to vote on irrelevant of alignment. If we lynch him and he flips mafia, I'll gladly take the credit. If he flips town, I gladly take the blame. I have a town read on Milo, I liked his reaction to Damdred and I liked that he was pressuring Ritoky (or at least attempting to). I don't see what's scummy about him to Kickstarter. Everything he says seems genuine to me. Also, I'm kind of glad I pressed post by accident because I'm not a very frequent poster (I usually just post big WoTs or at least plan to) and I was scared I wouldn't meet the 10 posts per 72 hours rule. Phew.... See you guys again in 9 hours since I just need to make 1 post per 9 hours to meet the quota for this cycle. PEACE The rest of your post is even more odd to me. For one you just aligned yourself with Milo, for seemingly no reason (and I will also point out that you specifically mentioned his reaction to Damdred which was exactly what milo used as a town read on Damred but which is something that didn't stick out at all to me). Right now I clearly see a milo, Nydus, Damdred connection here which I find really odd given that, in my opinion, nothing has happened for you three to align yourselves like this. To be fair, Damdred has said nothing to align himself with them Nydus but there is a slight connection there in that these 3 seem to be thinking alike and making the same points. @Damdred Can you give detailed thoughts on milo and Nydus strange posts? Also, while I'm posting this Damdred also defended milo, making the link between them 2 even stronger. Another thing about your post that I quoted Nydus is that I really don't like that you said you are willing to vote ritocky just because you don't like his posting. Scum are the ones who don't care who is lynched, and the fact that you state that you don't care if he is town and is lynched is not an opinion a towns person should have. HAHAHAHA loaded question much? Anyways, I didn't completely flesh out my Milo townread because I was kind of annoyed that I hit post before I even finished posting and when I was about to edit, I remembered it was against the rules. To me, I think he's defending himself decently against both you and Ritoky, and his vote on Ritoky didn't feel out of place. I saw it as a pressure vote and didn't see it as anything he was going to keep forever unless he continued to see Ritoky as scummy. When someone called him out for contradiction, he admitted to making the mistake pretty quickly and I don't think that it's scummy to be stuck making a logic error. If he tried to stick with the error and pretend that it was correct, then I would think he was scummy but he did the opposite. That makes sense I guess. I would still like you to explain why you stated you would be fine voting ritocky just because you don't like his posting. I find it scummy that you stated you don't care if ritocky is town or scum but that you would be happy having him gone either way, so I would still like you to expand on this... It's mostly a gut feel. I feel like people who play like he does are hard to read but I also feel like they are not very helpful to town so to me, it's more like a lynch because he'll probably get lynched along the way anyways. If he's mafia great, if he's town, he had it coming. I'll give you time to think, you don't have to decide right away. But the proof is already in the thread - whether you're willing to accept it or not is entirely another issue. So should I assume that you're sweeping Chocolate under the rug? Or should I assume that you're just ignoring my posts maliciously? | ||
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On June 03 2015 08:04 Chocolate wrote: Show nested quote + On June 03 2015 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote: Hi guys! I've read most of the game so far and I don't like most of the reasons people are tossing around for calling others mafia. I don't think it makes the people giving them mafia though, so I'm not gonna name any names. Suffice to say: before you post that something makes someone else mafia, consider if they'd do it as town before you get your tunnel on. This has been a public service announcement by VisceraEyes. So far the person that sticks out the most to me is Chocolate. On June 03 2015 06:08 Chocolate wrote: I just wanted to vote you because your opening post was weirdly cheery I don't know who you are either lol As for kickstart's post, I also played some games in 2012/2013 I believe. I'll go back and see if I played with any of you people Aside from a vote, this is his only post in the game. Does "weirdly cheery" make ticktock mafia? Without context, this post just looks like he's trying to be seen in the thread, which is consistent with mafia trying to hide in plain sight. Why does a townie Chocolate even make this post? Further, in his vote post he wants tick to "1v1 me mate"....which if the lynch is boiled down to Chocolate/ticktock then I'm lynching Chocolate 100 times out of 100 based on what's in the thread right now....if he's town and wants ticktock to interact with him, then why does he disappear? m8 I had to go eat dinner and wanted to stir up some discussion with what little was present in the thread Reading the rest of the thread now This is fine, and I'm in no position to dispute it's validity - but I will say that you SAID you were going to check something out, not that you were grabbing dinner. DID you go check to see if you'd played with anyone else? | ||
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On June 03 2015 08:05 ritoky wrote: people str8 disrespecting me all over the thread. You're begging for it with your posting style. If you don't want people to dis you, then don't dis them. For the record, "I'm not changing how I post regardless of the threads' repeated requests that I do so" is disrespecting others as much as they're disrespecting you. | ||
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On June 03 2015 08:09 milo109 wrote: Now that I have a second to evaluate the game without immediate fear of being lynched... I don't think that Chocolate is necessarily mafia for his one post. It's possible he had to go, and he was basing his read on Tiktok off of two posts. It seems a fine opener. Not sure if I like VE attempting to turn attention to someone unable to defend himself. Nydus is my white knight, and I'm sure that will skew my opinion of him but he seems town just from the irreverent way he gave his reads. I still don't like Kickstarter. I didn't like the tone of his accusation, and the way he quickly attempted to insure he wasn't thought of 'bandwagoning on me' as if he knew I would flip town. Now just how do you know that he's unable to defend himself? In fact, he's already responded to my point so that makes the bolded completely irrelevant anyway. | ||
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How did milo know that Chocolate was AFK? He literally gave no indication that he was leaving, he said he was STILL PLAYING actually because he said "I'm gonna go look at something brb", how did milo know that Chocolate was in a position where he actually physically couldn't respond (i.e. grabbing dinner)? | ||
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On June 03 2015 08:14 milo109 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 03 2015 08:11 VisceraEyes wrote: On June 03 2015 08:09 milo109 wrote: Now that I have a second to evaluate the game without immediate fear of being lynched... I don't think that Chocolate is necessarily mafia for his one post. It's possible he had to go, and he was basing his read on Tiktok off of two posts. It seems a fine opener. Not sure if I like VE attempting to turn attention to someone unable to defend himself. Nydus is my white knight, and I'm sure that will skew my opinion of him but he seems town just from the irreverent way he gave his reads. I still don't like Kickstarter. I didn't like the tone of his accusation, and the way he quickly attempted to insure he wasn't thought of 'bandwagoning on me' as if he knew I would flip town. Now just how do you know that he's unable to defend himself? In fact, he's already responded to my point so that makes the bolded completely irrelevant anyway. He didn't seem to be online, thought that has obviously changed. It is easy to accuse someone who can't respond to your points until later. Yeah that's not how it works in forum mafia. At least, that's not how I play it. I play the game as if everyone is here all the time (regardless of whether it's true or not) because there's no way to be online all the time - so chances are I'm going to miss people when I'M online. Therefor it doesn't make any sense to wait to accuse someone until they're IN the thread because I MIGHT NOT BE IN THE THREAD THEN. Savvy? | ||
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On June 03 2015 08:20 milo109 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 03 2015 08:17 VisceraEyes wrote: On June 03 2015 08:14 milo109 wrote: On June 03 2015 08:11 VisceraEyes wrote: On June 03 2015 08:09 milo109 wrote: Now that I have a second to evaluate the game without immediate fear of being lynched... I don't think that Chocolate is necessarily mafia for his one post. It's possible he had to go, and he was basing his read on Tiktok off of two posts. It seems a fine opener. Not sure if I like VE attempting to turn attention to someone unable to defend himself. Nydus is my white knight, and I'm sure that will skew my opinion of him but he seems town just from the irreverent way he gave his reads. I still don't like Kickstarter. I didn't like the tone of his accusation, and the way he quickly attempted to insure he wasn't thought of 'bandwagoning on me' as if he knew I would flip town. Now just how do you know that he's unable to defend himself? In fact, he's already responded to my point so that makes the bolded completely irrelevant anyway. He didn't seem to be online, thought that has obviously changed. It is easy to accuse someone who can't respond to your points until later. Yeah that's not how it works in forum mafia. At least, that's not how I play it. I play the game as if everyone is here all the time (regardless of whether it's true or not) because there's no way to be online all the time - so chances are I'm going to miss people when I'M online. Therefor it doesn't make any sense to wait to accuse someone until they're IN the thread because I MIGHT NOT BE IN THE THREAD THEN. Savvy? Hadn't thought of it that way. You're correct. I still don't think you had a reason to call him mafia, but I was wrong about diverting. Well you're wrong about that too. My reasoning is explicit. Whether you think it's a good reason or not is up for debate, but you can't just say "you don't have a reason" when I gave my reason explicitly. | ||
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On June 03 2015 08:25 milo109 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 03 2015 08:21 VisceraEyes wrote: On June 03 2015 08:20 milo109 wrote: On June 03 2015 08:17 VisceraEyes wrote: On June 03 2015 08:14 milo109 wrote: On June 03 2015 08:11 VisceraEyes wrote: On June 03 2015 08:09 milo109 wrote: Now that I have a second to evaluate the game without immediate fear of being lynched... I don't think that Chocolate is necessarily mafia for his one post. It's possible he had to go, and he was basing his read on Tiktok off of two posts. It seems a fine opener. Not sure if I like VE attempting to turn attention to someone unable to defend himself. Nydus is my white knight, and I'm sure that will skew my opinion of him but he seems town just from the irreverent way he gave his reads. I still don't like Kickstarter. I didn't like the tone of his accusation, and the way he quickly attempted to insure he wasn't thought of 'bandwagoning on me' as if he knew I would flip town. Now just how do you know that he's unable to defend himself? In fact, he's already responded to my point so that makes the bolded completely irrelevant anyway. He didn't seem to be online, thought that has obviously changed. It is easy to accuse someone who can't respond to your points until later. Yeah that's not how it works in forum mafia. At least, that's not how I play it. I play the game as if everyone is here all the time (regardless of whether it's true or not) because there's no way to be online all the time - so chances are I'm going to miss people when I'M online. Therefor it doesn't make any sense to wait to accuse someone until they're IN the thread because I MIGHT NOT BE IN THE THREAD THEN. Savvy? Hadn't thought of it that way. You're correct. I still don't think you had a reason to call him mafia, but I was wrong about diverting. Well you're wrong about that too. My reasoning is explicit. Whether you think it's a good reason or not is up for debate, but you can't just say "you don't have a reason" when I gave my reason explicitly. Again you are correct. Apologies. I don't agree with your reason. YAY AND NOW WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE!!!! COOPERATION!!!!! | ||
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On June 03 2015 08:27 Damdred wrote: Show nested quote + On June 03 2015 06:08 Chocolate wrote: I just wanted to vote you because your opening post was weirdly cheery I don't know who you are either lol As for kickstart's post, I also played some games in 2012/2013 I believe. I'll go back and see if I played with any of you people This is the promise, having an excuse to lurk under the guise of,doing things is breaking the promise of,doing,things. ^ I asked him if he'd fulfilled this promise. Jury's still out, though he claims to be catching up. | ||
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Yeah I don't expect anyone to be on all the time. My point has very little to do with your lack of activity and everything to do with the way you framed your absence. But whatever, it's a minor thing and something I'm willing to overlook for the time being. You say you're caught up now, but that your only actual suspicion is Kickstart from what I can see - and it's for posting with too much authority? And scott, for agreeing with Kickstart? Is this accurate? | ||
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On June 03 2015 09:22 milo109 wrote: Sure. I don't like VE. He's obviously a strong player, and I don't think he's contributed as many reads as he should have. Sicklucker is an another possibility, but with people who still haven't posted, I don't think I need to find a third scum yet. LAWL Get voted scruuuuhhhhh | ||
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On June 03 2015 09:22 Tictock wrote: @ VE What is your opinion of SL? Both in this game and in general? I ask kus I'm reading you as town atm, and I might need to fall back on someones reading on him if I start to tunnel him. I've fallen into that trap my first 2 games with SL. I'll be no help - sicklucker has a style that I have an inherently bad time reading (lurky). I've incorrectly read him in every game I've played with him. Although it's worth pointing out that with statistics like that, you can almost FLIP my read of him and get accurate results. :O | ||
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On June 03 2015 09:26 milo109 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 03 2015 09:22 VisceraEyes wrote: On June 03 2015 09:22 milo109 wrote: Sure. I don't like VE. He's obviously a strong player, and I don't think he's contributed as many reads as he should have. Sicklucker is an another possibility, but with people who still haven't posted, I don't think I need to find a third scum yet. LAWL Get voted scruuuuhhhhh I assume you have a problem with my reasoning or is calling you scum blasphemy? Nah, I've thought you were mafia since you scumslipped that you knew Choco was AFK. You voting for me just gave me the incentive I needed. ![]() | ||
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On June 03 2015 09:26 Tictock wrote: Show nested quote + On June 03 2015 09:24 VisceraEyes wrote: On June 03 2015 09:22 Tictock wrote: @ VE What is your opinion of SL? Both in this game and in general? I ask kus I'm reading you as town atm, and I might need to fall back on someones reading on him if I start to tunnel him. I've fallen into that trap my first 2 games with SL. I'll be no help - sicklucker has a style that I have an inherently bad time reading (lurky). I've incorrectly read him in every game I've played with him. Although it's worth pointing out that with statistics like that, you can almost FLIP my read of him and get accurate results. :O Lol well that's no good, kus that's usually what I do with my reads on him too... >.< I'll just fall back to my typical strat of ignoring SL as much as I can then. Sadly I don't think that's going to help either of us read him XD | ||
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On June 03 2015 09:29 milo109 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 03 2015 09:27 VisceraEyes wrote: On June 03 2015 09:26 milo109 wrote: On June 03 2015 09:22 VisceraEyes wrote: On June 03 2015 09:22 milo109 wrote: Sure. I don't like VE. He's obviously a strong player, and I don't think he's contributed as many reads as he should have. Sicklucker is an another possibility, but with people who still haven't posted, I don't think I need to find a third scum yet. LAWL Get voted scruuuuhhhhh I assume you have a problem with my reasoning or is calling you scum blasphemy? Nah, I've thought you were mafia since you scumslipped that you knew Choco was AFK. You voting for me just gave me the incentive I needed. ![]() I didn't know he was AFK, I knew he wasn't posting. This is the oddest reason to have a problem with me, considering all the other flaws in my reasoning. No you knew he was AFK. You said, and I quote, On June 03 2015 08:09 milo109 wrote: Now that I have a second to evaluate the game without immediate fear of being lynched... I don't think that Chocolate is necessarily mafia for his one post. It's possible he had to go, and he was basing his read on Tiktok off of two posts. It seems a fine opener. Not sure if I like VE attempting to turn attention to someone unable to defend himself. Nydus is my white knight, and I'm sure that will skew my opinion of him but he seems town just from the irreverent way he gave his reads. I still don't like Kickstarter. I didn't like the tone of his accusation, and the way he quickly attempted to insure he wasn't thought of 'bandwagoning on me' as if he knew I would flip town. "SOMEONE UNABLE TO DEFEND HIMSELF" That directly implies that you knew he was NOT at the keyboard, and that he WAS, in fact, AFK "grabbing dinner" as he posted AFTER you made this post. | ||
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On June 03 2015 09:33 NydusHerMain wrote: Ignore my last post, VE clarified while I was typing ![]() Turn that frown upside-down! I'll still post to you even without a necessity to do so!!! | ||
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On June 03 2015 09:34 milo109 wrote: GRR. This is frustrating me. I'm fine being read as scum for my own problems, but not for assuming that someone who hadn't posted was unable to defend themselves. HE WASN'T POSTING. THAT MEANT HE COULDN'T DIRECTLY RESPOND TO YOUR ACCUSATION. Except he did directly respond to my accusation. Directly. Whatever, I get what you're saying. In the future, just don't bring up your teammates ESPECIALLY if someone is drawing attention to them. Trust THEM to dig themselves out. Otherwise you end up digging BOTH of you a grave. | ||
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On June 03 2015 09:42 milo109 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 03 2015 09:40 VisceraEyes wrote: On June 03 2015 09:34 milo109 wrote: GRR. This is frustrating me. I'm fine being read as scum for my own problems, but not for assuming that someone who hadn't posted was unable to defend themselves. HE WASN'T POSTING. THAT MEANT HE COULDN'T DIRECTLY RESPOND TO YOUR ACCUSATION. Except he did directly respond to my accusation. Directly. Whatever, I get what you're saying. In the future, just don't bring up your teammates ESPECIALLY if someone is drawing attention to them. Trust THEM to dig themselves out. Otherwise you end up digging BOTH of you a grave. I didn't. Which is why this is even more frustrating. I was wrong on the statement. But I was not predicting an AFK. Whatever it's fine. Expand on your VE read if you please - I've been just exploding town all over this thread. You say there's been a lack of reads out of me. I say that doesn't make me mafia. I say that I've contributed at least one mafia read, and that's the person I want to lynch, and now I'm also willing to lynch you. I'd say that I've contributed more than at least 50% of the game so far. I also say that I don't give many reads as both town AND mafia, but I give FEWER as town. What do you say to that? | ||
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On June 03 2015 09:52 milo109 wrote: Alright. I'm done for tonight. VE.... I hope you actually use logic instead of illusionary slips if you're town. But I don't think you are. You've conceded SEVERAL points to me this game so far milo. I've had to correct SEVERAL mistakes in your posts. Why are you saying that I'M the one who needs to use logic? There's no illusion, there are facts in the thread. A timeline of actual events. That's my proof. What's yours? | ||
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Meh. I still loathe the way milo reacted to my voting for him, but I guess it's possible he was just too incensed by my posting to realize I'd made a pretty fundamental mistake and we both missed it. Ehhhhhh...I can unvote for now. Good start boys, I'll see you tomorrow! | ||
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On June 03 2015 11:07 Chocolate wrote: Show nested quote + On June 03 2015 10:56 Kickstart wrote: Also I don't want to speak for VE, but milo saying you afk was weird. At the time I didnt point it out because he did but since then I did say a bit about it. For one we can't be sure you are afk because you said you were going to go through stuff (but then went to eat dinner, which is fine, you just stated you were doing otherwise as the reason for your inactivity at the time). What I found most odd was the "he cant defend himself", because to me that makes no sense at all, even if you were afk, its forum mafia, you just come back and read it and respond :/. But mostly I would like for you to expand on why your vote is on VE! "it was only after I had said I was away that milo said I was away" it doesn't make sense to me either. But to be fair I think he was giving me too much shit for posting and going away for a bit and that being scummy. I think he is scum because: He hasn't changed positions on anyone His only interactions of substance have been with me and milo I think he is taking a misinterpretation of what someone else said too far as a "scum-slip" His posts have a dismissive tone Show nested quote + Whatever it's fine. Expand on your VE read if you please - I've been just exploding town all over this thread. You say there's been a lack of reads out of me. I say that doesn't make me mafia. I say that I've contributed at least one mafia read, and that's the person I want to lynch, and now I'm also willing to lynch you. Show nested quote + On June 03 2015 09:54 VisceraEyes wrote: On June 03 2015 09:52 milo109 wrote: Alright. I'm done for tonight. VE.... I hope you actually use logic instead of illusionary slips if you're town. But I don't think you are. You've conceded SEVERAL points to me this game so far milo. I've had to correct SEVERAL mistakes in your posts. Why are you saying that I'M the one who needs to use logic? There's no illusion, there are facts in the thread. A timeline of actual events. That's my proof. What's yours? Show nested quote + In the future, just don't bring up your teammates ESPECIALLY if someone is drawing attention to them. Trust THEM to dig themselves out. Otherwise you end up digging BOTH of you a grave. Which really bothers me I see no reason to tunnel someone so hard out of the blue I don't think he's scum because: He's posting a lot While I get a scum feeling from dogging someone so early, it's something that would at the same time be dumb to do as a mafia player milo's post does look like a slip I don't get what Chocolate is doing this game. His reason for wanting to lynch me is....I don't even know what it is. But he's got a bunch of reasons to NOT think I'm mafia at the end of this post, so I really just don't know anymore. Anyone wanna lynch Chocolate with me? | ||
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On June 04 2015 00:22 Chocolate wrote: We don't know that he will be mod killed yet I do want to lynch you. It looks like a slip superficially but if you read the post in context clearly it is not. So I inderstand why you may have interpreted the post that way but I think you took it too far I don't care, die. | ||
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w/e, I'm voting for Chocolate. If you're town, you should do the same. VE out. | ||
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Town: ritoky scott Nydus Kickstart Fidei Ticktock Won't Lynch Today / I WANNA say town, but I just can't yet for some reason: Damdred Onegu People I'd probably lynch in spite of them probably being spewed town: sicklucker People I'm looking at filters right now to decide if I think they are the lynch today instead of Chocolate: GGTemplar People I'd lynch remorselessly: Chocolate milo People I'll worry about later: Everyone else. | ||
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On June 04 2015 23:41 Chocolate wrote: Ahh, so the bandwagon begins ritoky I don't why you're so interested in an early vote that obviously would eventually be changed most votes in the beginning of the game are just to make people talk if I do end up getting lynched I will post a final will and testament (if I have time) for now I will vote VE in the official thread No comment on the even more sudden GGTemp wagon¿ | ||
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On June 05 2015 00:37 Chocolate wrote: Show nested quote + On June 05 2015 00:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Frankly the bit about wanting to die just to make me look stupid is probably the towniest thing Chocolate has said. That's NOT a good thing. :/ yeah and you relentlessly tunneling me is going to look REALLY towny when I die I have good reasons for being on you, at least by my estimation. I'll defend myself if need be, but I don't think there will be a need. | ||
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It's not a tunnel if I'm looking other places. I've been looking at milo since early on and I've been looking at Templar for the last 2 hours. Try again scum. | ||
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On June 05 2015 00:52 Chocolate wrote: you've pretty clearly attacked my play because seemingly no matter what I post there's no redemption for me, ever I mean I never called it bad or you dumb. You're making this out to be like VE is bullying you when that is pretty far from the truth. | ||
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On June 05 2015 00:53 NydusHerMain wrote: Show nested quote + On June 05 2015 00:44 Chocolate wrote: "You still have no scumreads, you still have no town reads" that is just not true honestly you're pissing me off and making me not want to play the game anymore. I suck at mafia, OK, whatever. I've only played two games before this and I lost. just kill me then because it isn't fun having some guy go NOPE YOU'RE MAFIA DIE DUMB SCUM mmm... I don't think Chocolate is particularly scummy but this feels overdone and fake? If anything, I think this is the scummiest thing he's said VE lol I was referring to the bit in his post earlier. While I agree with you, I'm afraid bias is coloring my read. | ||
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On June 05 2015 03:24 ritoky wrote: i find it very unlikely that a scum templar comes to the thread with 3-4 hours before the deadline, leading by a substantial margin and basically calls the alternative wagon dumpster and tries to push his own, while also failing @ voting in the voting thread. And if the alternative wagon is ALSO mafia, where does that lead this though process? | ||
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Meh. I don't really believe it. Temp's latest posting SEEMS okay, but I can't get over this niggling feeling that he's overjustifying his reads. The Nydus read at the beginning of the day comes to mind - he wrote a whole paragraph explaining his read AFTER he did one better before by just quickly going "Nydus sounds townie and confident. Townread" | ||
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Uhhhhhh.........blarg. Ima go back to Chocolate. ##Unvote ##Vote: Chocolate | ||
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On June 03 2015 08:02 ritoky wrote: Show nested quote + On June 03 2015 08:01 VisceraEyes wrote: On June 03 2015 07:58 Kickstart wrote: On June 03 2015 07:52 NydusHerMain wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 03 2015 07:43 Kickstart wrote: Show nested quote + On June 03 2015 07:33 NydusHerMain wrote: Okay so I was formatting and pressed the wrong button.... to save myself the embarassment... I'm just going to barebone the rest -_- .... Even though I said I didn't like Kickstarter, I also, funny enough, don't like Ritoky. His playstyle is just something I'm willing to vote on irrelevant of alignment. If we lynch him and he flips mafia, I'll gladly take the credit. If he flips town, I gladly take the blame. I have a town read on Milo, I liked his reaction to Damdred and I liked that he was pressuring Ritoky (or at least attempting to). I don't see what's scummy about him to Kickstarter. Everything he says seems genuine to me. Also, I'm kind of glad I pressed post by accident because I'm not a very frequent poster (I usually just post big WoTs or at least plan to) and I was scared I wouldn't meet the 10 posts per 72 hours rule. Phew.... See you guys again in 9 hours since I just need to make 1 post per 9 hours to meet the quota for this cycle. PEACE The rest of your post is even more odd to me. For one you just aligned yourself with Milo, for seemingly no reason (and I will also point out that you specifically mentioned his reaction to Damdred which was exactly what milo used as a town read on Damred but which is something that didn't stick out at all to me). Right now I clearly see a milo, Nydus, Damdred connection here which I find really odd given that, in my opinion, nothing has happened for you three to align yourselves like this. To be fair, Damdred has said nothing to align himself with them Nydus but there is a slight connection there in that these 3 seem to be thinking alike and making the same points. @Damdred Can you give detailed thoughts on milo and Nydus strange posts? Also, while I'm posting this Damdred also defended milo, making the link between them 2 even stronger. Another thing about your post that I quoted Nydus is that I really don't like that you said you are willing to vote ritocky just because you don't like his posting. Scum are the ones who don't care who is lynched, and the fact that you state that you don't care if he is town and is lynched is not an opinion a towns person should have. HAHAHAHA loaded question much? Anyways, I didn't completely flesh out my Milo townread because I was kind of annoyed that I hit post before I even finished posting and when I was about to edit, I remembered it was against the rules. To me, I think he's defending himself decently against both you and Ritoky, and his vote on Ritoky didn't feel out of place. I saw it as a pressure vote and didn't see it as anything he was going to keep forever unless he continued to see Ritoky as scummy. When someone called him out for contradiction, he admitted to making the mistake pretty quickly and I don't think that it's scummy to be stuck making a logic error. If he tried to stick with the error and pretend that it was correct, then I would think he was scummy but he did the opposite. That makes sense I guess. I would still like you to explain why you stated you would be fine voting ritocky just because you don't like his posting. I find it scummy that you stated you don't care if ritocky is town or scum but that you would be happy having him gone either way, so I would still like you to expand on this... I actually got the opposite read off Nydus' comment about ritoky: I find it very unlikely that Nydus comes in and says something as controversial as "I would lynch ritoky regardless of his alignment" as mafia. I find it far more likely that he says somethign like that as town. ^ same | ||
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It's kinda the opposite with Nydus, I didn't really expect Nydus to try and read me first considering we barely play together anymore and we haven't had many actual "post-game" interactions so-to-speak. But he read me relatively quickly (though he DID state reservation to reading me) and that kinda plays into my townread of him. | ||
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On June 05 2015 19:17 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Vigi plz shoot Tictock. The dumbtells are so real..... | ||
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On June 05 2015 14:50 scott31337 wrote: Nydus can you give us a list of your scum to town? You wasted time with the green/red, and I know that takes time to do so, so this won't ask for much. Using formatting as a means of reading people is akin to throwing fucking rice in the air and using THAT to divine alignments. If that's what you're using to gauge others' alignments, then I really don't think you should be calling people's play bad and dumb, etc. | ||
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On June 05 2015 21:19 GGTeMpLaR wrote: The principle behind it metaphorically applies. It's a trend for less experienced mafia to target a specific style of play for an easy misslynch/scumread. It doesn't metaphorically apply or metaphysically apply or even metagamingly apply. It doesn't apply to anyone if Chezinu isn't in the game. That's like applying a body read of one player to someone else, you can't because they are NOT the person whose body tells that way. | ||
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Like I said. You're ignoring my posts. Pretending I don't make them. It's all very weird. Scummy weird. ##Vote: GGTemplar | ||
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On June 06 2015 13:47 GGTeMpLaR wrote: You tunneling on Chocolate when Tictock is confirmed mafia honestly makes you look scummier than Chocolate at this point which is why he's above you on the list. You can shove your scummy scum list up your scumhole. <3 | ||
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He also does small nuanced things like trying to appeal to authority and appeal to emotions. Further, his push on Ticktock reads to me as an attempt to remain consistent with his reads yesterday. It's convenient that he had a (very justified *winkwink*) either/or read on Kickstart/Ticktock, and somehow by the grace of God (but conveniently not by Templar's hand) Kickstart the jailer got lynched yesterday, and today EVEN WHILE OMGUSING ME, he maintains that Ticktock is the likeliest shot at mafia. He's not reevaluating the game at all, he's trying to remain consistent while pushing a specific agenda. Everyone should vote for GGTemplar today. He is the most likely mafia at this point in the game, I would say even more so than Chocolate. The only thing that makes me doubt it is the fact that he wasn't voting EoD yesterday, but as far as I know he thought he was or something. | ||
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June 06 2015 08:15 GMT
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GGTemplar Meta - Temp would read me early. "Couldn't", in spite of ritoky thinking I was pretty obviously town. Behavior - Has over-justified his early reads imo, and has attempted to remain consistent with his previous reads rather than reevaluate the game. OMGUS on me reeks of desperation. Doubts - He wasn't voting EoD, risking modkill. My Bias/Hypocricy - I still think Chocolate is mafia, and Chocolate was the other wagon yesterday. | ||
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On June 05 2015 00:42 VisceraEyes wrote: Like and why keep your vote on me if you're town? Why aren't you trying to put your vote on mafia to lynch them? It just smacks of trying to hide your vote somewhere that will give town no information, plopping it down on me with the FULL KNOWLEDGE that I'm not getting lynched today. I think this is the most damning thing about Chocolate. He couldn't justify putting his vote on anyone when it mattered at the end of the day, he just plopped it on me until an alternative wagon appeared and then "voted to save his life". He stated that he was changing his read of me apparently, but was still voting for me because he didn't want to or couldn't call anyone else mafia. Too afraid he'd piss someone off that might vote for him I guess. | ||
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Guys I can't do it alone. I NEED your help to lynch them. If you disagree with me, tell me why. I won't bite. Part of the mafia strategy has been to paint VE as some kind of "bully" when I've just been in here giving my reads and thoughts openly. | ||
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On June 05 2015 04:05 ritoky wrote: VE, do you know what i find to be the most compelling reason to stay on chocolate at the moment is? that you or i are pretty much every single player in the game's #1 town read and yet we are the only 2 on this vote lol. that shit is blowing my mind.... Anyone hear that? It sounds like the ghost of town Jesus showing us the way. GGTemplar is trying to keep attention off Chocolate, in exactly the same way he's accusing me of trying to "attack Ticktock's accusor". It's pretty cut and dry. | ||
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that's the link for the above post. I asked him earlier to substantiate that read. But I don't do townie things. I don't make townie observations and ask pertinent questions and follow up on suspicions, and reevaluate as new info is presented. [/sarcasm] | ||
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The Milo Misunderstanding From VisceraEyes Perspective On June 03 2015 09:29 milo109 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 03 2015 09:27 VisceraEyes wrote: On June 03 2015 09:26 milo109 wrote: On June 03 2015 09:22 VisceraEyes wrote: On June 03 2015 09:22 milo109 wrote: Sure. I don't like VE. He's obviously a strong player, and I don't think he's contributed as many reads as he should have. Sicklucker is an another possibility, but with people who still haven't posted, I don't think I need to find a third scum yet. LAWL Get voted scruuuuhhhhh I assume you have a problem with my reasoning or is calling you scum blasphemy? Nah, I've thought you were mafia since you scumslipped that you knew Choco was AFK. You voting for me just gave me the incentive I needed. ![]() I didn't know he was AFK, I knew he wasn't posting. This is the oddest reason to have a problem with me, considering all the other flaws in my reasoning. This is the faulty reasoning. I thought that milo had "slipped" that he knew Choco was not in a position where he could respond to my accusations (which NydusHerMain noticed). This is based on this interaction: On June 03 2015 08:04 Chocolate wrote: Show nested quote + On June 03 2015 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote: Hi guys! I've read most of the game so far and I don't like most of the reasons people are tossing around for calling others mafia. I don't think it makes the people giving them mafia though, so I'm not gonna name any names. Suffice to say: before you post that something makes someone else mafia, consider if they'd do it as town before you get your tunnel on. This has been a public service announcement by VisceraEyes. So far the person that sticks out the most to me is Chocolate. On June 03 2015 06:08 Chocolate wrote: I just wanted to vote you because your opening post was weirdly cheery I don't know who you are either lol As for kickstart's post, I also played some games in 2012/2013 I believe. I'll go back and see if I played with any of you people Aside from a vote, this is his only post in the game. Does "weirdly cheery" make ticktock mafia? Without context, this post just looks like he's trying to be seen in the thread, which is consistent with mafia trying to hide in plain sight. Why does a townie Chocolate even make this post? Further, in his vote post he wants tick to "1v1 me mate"....which if the lynch is boiled down to Chocolate/ticktock then I'm lynching Chocolate 100 times out of 100 based on what's in the thread right now....if he's town and wants ticktock to interact with him, then why does he disappear? m8 I had to go eat dinner and wanted to stir up some discussion with what little was present in the thread Reading the rest of the thread now On June 03 2015 08:09 milo109 wrote: Now that I have a second to evaluate the game without immediate fear of being lynched... I don't think that Chocolate is necessarily mafia for his one post. It's possible he had to go, and he was basing his read on Tiktok off of two posts. It seems a fine opener. Not sure if I like VE attempting to turn attention to someone unable to defend himself. Nydus is my white knight, and I'm sure that will skew my opinion of him but he seems town just from the irreverent way he gave his reads. I still don't like Kickstarter. I didn't like the tone of his accusation, and the way he quickly attempted to insure he wasn't thought of 'bandwagoning on me' as if he knew I would flip town. On June 03 2015 08:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Like okay wtf.... How did milo know that Chocolate was AFK? He literally gave no indication that he was leaving, he said he was STILL PLAYING actually because he said "I'm gonna go look at something brb", how did milo know that Chocolate was in a position where he actually physically couldn't respond (i.e. grabbing dinner)? So obviously me attesting that milo posted that Choco "couldn't" defend himself before Choco explained himself is factually incorrect. However, here: On June 03 2015 20:21 milo109 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 03 2015 14:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Hmmmm...I DID get that timeline wrong. I'm not sure why that happened, I think maybe I got the sense that milo was typing his response to me WHILE Chocolate posted and maybe I took that and ran with it. You're right. I did start typing the post before Chocolate posted, which is why I didn't bring it up. is the end result of that suspicion. In the end, I COULD have been right about milo slipping, but ultimately it's more likely that he's just town and thought Chocolate had been gone long enough to warrant thinking I might be trying to accuse someone not around from his perspective. My current read on milo has been detailed in this post. On June 05 2015 08:37 VisceraEyes wrote: I agree with the sentiment about Milo being town - it's the easiest thing in the world for mafia to just afk with their vote on a claim that late. The risk of losing that mislynch is too great for mafia to unvote just for the towncred of unvoting ASSUMING the lynch still goes through. I don't think it MAKES him town, but I'm not interested in looking at him any time soon that's for sure. | ||
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On June 06 2015 19:36 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On June 06 2015 17:15 VisceraEyes wrote: tl;dr GGTemplar Meta - Temp would read me early. "Couldn't", in spite of ritoky thinking I was pretty obviously town. Behavior - Has over-justified his early reads imo, and has attempted to remain consistent with his previous reads rather than reevaluate the game. OMGUS on me reeks of desperation. Doubts - He wasn't voting EoD, risking modkill. My Bias/Hypocricy - I still think Chocolate is mafia, and Chocolate was the other wagon yesterday. Onegu rule applies to him also. I am down. But really the S named dude who replaced in is 100% mafia or Im not VT. I am VT. How about lynch Temp with me today and I swear I'll take a good hard look at S-word regardless of the outcome of the Temp lynch? I'm REALLY sure about Templar, and my case is really good. | ||
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This stuff is all in his filter guys, just go read it. Then go vote for GGTemplar in the voting thread. Now he's saying Ticktock is confirmed mafia, when his readon Ticktock was "I think Ticktock is an excellent policy vote". He never EVER said that he thought Ticktock was mafia outside this calling ritoky mafia early. Like, Nydus did that too, and HE even goes so far as to say that HE didn't CARE if ritoky was town or mafia! But somehow Ticktock is confirmed mafia, and Nydus is "losing points on the Null scale" or whatever bullshit he's spouting. Don't let him manipulate you guys. He's mafia, and he's the lynch today. | ||
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GGTemplar Townreads Kickstart A Fantasy In Quotation On June 03 2015 10:08 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Show nested quote + On June 03 2015 06:29 ritoky wrote: On June 03 2015 06:24 Kickstart wrote: On June 03 2015 06:10 Tictock wrote: @ Kick It has always been my policy to deal with inactives by reading their actual posts that much harder. The idea is that if they are only willing to share a small amount of thoughts or thinking then we should take those posts even more literally/seriously. My point is that we need to foster an environment that doesn't allow inactivity, this is clearly the best environment to have and thus we should strive for it. How we will deal with people that are inactive anyways is another matter. Also people should, eventually, share most of their thoughts. Holding back your thoughts initially to build on them is fine, I already find some things scummy but I am waiting to add to this so as not to let the person/people I find scummy change what they are doing so soon. On June 03 2015 06:12 ritoky wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 03 2015 06:02 Kickstart wrote: I just want to go ahead and get this out. A good town environment is one in which no one is allowed to lurk or be passive and not post much of their thoughts. While I honestly don't know any of the players in this game I believe some are new so to them and to everyone else, you have to post. Whether you are 100% sure in your reads or not, posting is good for town. Even if your reads are wrong, being active is good for town to figure out the game. I refuse to allow the game to be a passive one where several people are lurking and not being active and contributing to the conversation because that automatically makes the game harder on town and lessens town's win chance. The 10 post per cycle rule enacted by the host is a good first step but I think it is up to us to make sure that people don't abuse the rule by just posting the minimum number of times and saying nothing of substance. Now what I said applies to every game of course, an active town is always better than a passive town with several lurkers; but I particularly wanted to lead in with this point because I already feel like we might be heading in the direction of a passive/inactive town. So this is directed to everyone but specifically directed @ Damdred and Tictock: Damdred and Tictock already posted before the start of the game that they might not be active. Here are Dam's and TT's posts I am referring to: Show nested quote + On June 01 2015 12:51 Tictock wrote: + Show Spoiler + /confirm Not very motivated atm, might pick up as the game goes on, we'll see sorry Thankfully they have both said that they are just sort of busy at the start but will have more time and be more active. I just want to urge them both to be as active as they can from the start, that way everyone can gets reads on them and we don't let them both through just because they aren't active in the first phase but might be in the phases after. Just to be clear though, I am not accusing either of you nor am I suspicious of you for it, because those statements are clearly not alignment indicative because they were made before the game began and people had their roles. I am just saying that I refuse to allow the game to devolve into a passive town game with people lurking and posting nothing of substance and those events already have me worried that we may find ourselves in that position. So I urge you, along with everyone else, to be as active as you can, even if you are strapped for time. Now that that is out of the way, could those who have played in games with some of the other people in the game (or if you know them) tell me who the strong players? I haven't played mafia on here since 2012 so I have no idea who the good players are and I think knowing this is helpful. I know this request seems a bit scummy ("Oh you wan't to know who the good players are so you can get rid of them!") but I will just concede that and say that knowing who is good tells everyone that those players: a) should not be lurking because if they are good they are usually always active in their games (so if they are lurking and posting not much substance it will be suspicious), and, b) they would be valuable assets (so we should expect strong town play from them and we would expect mafia to try and get rid of them), both good pieces of information for town. That is all I have for now, get to posting and being active everyone! :D saw good town environment, stopped reading. ![]() Can you clarify please? I think you mean you basically eyerolled at my post at the second line and didn't bother reading it. Could you clarify what you meant, and in the future not post your thought in the form of GIFs and images? It was a long post made immediately after the day post, which means it was planned and probably planned regardless of alignment. It says nothing about your alignment and only about some bs intentions you plan to traffic cop about to appear like you're doing shit for the game. I don't really care about reading more than a paragraph because it won't teach me anything about your alignment. I will continue to post pictures, deal with it. I actually love the read in bold. It doesn't necessarily clear you as town but I am inclined to like you more for the honesty. I fully retract my read on Kickstart but after continuing to read ritoky's posting I just really want to say I believe he is town. He's just very forward and open about his thoughts in such a way that I believe would be very difficult and bold to do as a mafia. Show nested quote + On June 03 2015 06:49 Kickstart wrote: On June 03 2015 06:36 Tictock wrote: On June 03 2015 06:33 Kickstart wrote: Well, those that have played with ritoky, is he always like this? I suppose if he always does this he has to keep up his 'meta', however annoying and unhelpful it happens to be. Also, I could of had time after roles were sent to write up that post, but I will be honest and admit I didn't =]. I had to edit it a bit though because there was quite a bit going on before and while the game started. My first game on TL was with ritoky. I don't recall him doing graphics at all. I was going to double check that game, but I don't see it listed anymore? Check the TL Mafia Database in the username section, all users who have played are listed and all the games they have been in are in their spolier. On June 03 2015 06:38 Tictock wrote: Oh like, he's policing how much people post? Assume he means that is basically boiled down to how I think the game should be played, which is basically correct. But I would argue that everything I said is correct ----------------------- I was not pleased with ritoky at first but I like his recent posting and at least he is explaining things now. I want to hear more from milo now because everything he has done thus far gives me a scrum read on him, if only slightly. @ milo Can you explain why you threw a vote on ritoky? You posted these posts: On June 03 2015 06:27 milo109 wrote: I want to vote Ritoky just for making me look at that image.... On June 03 2015 06:32 milo109 wrote: Alright. I'll bite. For the reasons of trolling a little too much and misspelling the quote in your signature: ##Vote ritoky While I also expressed my concern with his posting style, I have been trying to find out if this is his usual style of play. My concern with the way you went about this situation is that you didn't like his posting style (which to be fair it seems many people don't either) and seem to have voted solely based on the fact that you don't like his posting style without bothering to see if he always does this. TO be more concise, the goal is to find players who are acting scummy; if, as you self proclaimed, you haven't played with him before, and you do not know if this is his usual style, you have no information to tell you if this style from him is suspicious or not. So I think your vote on him is suspect in that you made the vote because you read him as annoying, not because you read him as scummy. Thus, I would like to hear more on you about your vote. I actually think your re-hashing what other people said much more concisely is scummy. I had the same initial thoughts with regards to 'annoying read' vs 'scum read' because as a general rule it is a scumtell, but something about the specific sentence structure of how he said it gave me like a 'townie vibe' as a new forum player for some reason. If you are town I encourage you to remember that while lurking is bad that being too drawn-out and repetitive in your posts is just as bad on the opposite extreme. On June 04 2015 00:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Town: Nydus sicklucker Milo89 Fideu86 Mafia: Kickstark Tictock On June 05 2015 01:34 GGTeMpLaR wrote: To address a few concerns in Kickstarts accusation that actually merit me addressing, I don't know if this post didn't show up in the filter or not but it explains my townreads of both milo and fideu - Show nested quote + On June 03 2015 18:32 GGTeMpLaR wrote: On June 03 2015 08:16 Fidei86 wrote: On June 03 2015 07:18 milo109 wrote: I'm not exactly sure how to defend myself here. I decided to vote because I didn't like ritoky's play style. I made it clear that it was not for reasons of reads. I cannot justify my vote in terms of reads, as I've already said. If you lynch me for that, it's fine. Actual reads so far that I can justify: I don't like the use of the word 'Unfortunately' in Kickstart's accusation of me. It seems to be an attempt to come from the point of view of a paternal town, who only sadly pronounces judgement. It's possible that he actually feels that way, but it feels scummy to me. I'll read Damdred town for now just based off his questioning of me. He caught my mistake of logic, while Ritoky and Kickstart both seem to just dislike my vote. Ritoky is still null for me. Still don't like the playstyle. Still keeping my vote. No idea on the others. Hi all I've read through the thread just now. I only have one thought immediately off the bat, which is that I find it suspicious that milo comes out with the "if you lynch me for XXX, that's fine". The only thing that regular townies know is that we are not mafia, and that means that the one thing we cannot do is let ourselves be lynched without giving everything first. It's possible milo just felt a bit band-wagoned, but I thought I'd point that out. @milo - I'd like to hear your reasoning for why you said that. I also find your suspicion of milo to be very townie. I disagree with the read, but respect where it is coming from and think you are town for it. With regards to me not putting Ritoky on my list after townreading him, it was merely a mistake. Ritoky should have been on that list of 4 town reads, bringing it to a total of 5. I find the large majority of the rest of your accusation (including these points actually which I don't consider strong even if they were correct) to be very weak. This coupled with the fact that both you and Ticktock have both gone against me after pushing on you leads me to the conclusion that I am merely wrong on one of you. I believe you both are still scum but doubt both of you, as a mafia team, would press back against me together. One of you is probably town and just mafia-siding with the other. I will apply the 'Chezinu rule' which scott brought up (more on this later) to determine that the more likely mafia between Kickstart and Tictock is Show nested quote + On June 03 2015 06:24 Tictock wrote: @ ritoky Ok, I'll bite ##Vote ritoky For spamming graphics and one liners. Not even trying to push people yet, such scum. Granted, I still think Kickstart's push on Ritoky is just as scummy. Now granted Ritoky isn't Chezinu, he has acted as a proxy 'Chezinu' this game. My push against both Kickstart and Ritocky could be tl;dr'd as basically an intuitive 'Chezinu rule' read for their early push against Ritoky for just posting gifs. That makes this post from Scott very interesting because I very much do not see either Kickstarts or Tictocky's play as resonant of 'Chezinu' but rather Ritoky's trolly gif-posting earlygame baited them both to scummily push against him. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486008-holy-guardians-chapter-1?page=33#644 I'm not sure how to read into Scott's alignment from this, what I believe to be a mis-analysis of the game at this point that is almost 'backwards' if you will. I'm not really going to change my milo/nydus reads in spite of them being suspicious of me because I don't really see it as alignment indicative at all. In all of my forum-games with people I play video mafia with, there has been A LOT of 'this is completely different from his video mafia play as either alignment' so I don't really fault them for their reasons for thinking I am scummy but I don't necessarily townread them more for it either. I'm just going to stick to my initial townread on them for reasons I stated in previous posts. More to come. On June 05 2015 01:39 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Show nested quote + On June 04 2015 15:30 Kickstart wrote: The post you just quoted was the one all of us found most suspicious, I pointed out how he just put random people in his town list without ever mentioning them before, check his filter. Also note how he just calls this and that person town based on what seems to be very little. All of that is odd to me and why my vote is on him atm, not sure how I feel about the votes stacking up on him though, makes me uneasy that people see him as an easy target, will see how it develops. I quoted the post where I townread Milo/Fideu. It was not random, it just isn't showing up in my filter for some reason you have to manually search the thread for it. Again honestly the only thing that is keeping me from thinking you are mafia is that I doubt both you and tictocky both push back on me like this as a team. I strongly believe one of you is mafia though because I think you are both playing extremely scummy and pushing on peopel for very weak, drawn-out reasons that spend too much time focusing on unimportant details. I encourage you if you are town to re-evaluate on the other and on myself because you're both townreading each other. I know I am town, I sincerely believe there is no way we are all 3 town. One of you is siding with a mafia pushing against another town who is pushing on you both for initially pushing on a town (ritoky). On June 05 2015 01:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Show nested quote + On June 04 2015 17:37 Tictock wrote: @ scott My read on you had changed even before you posted your little quote + picture thing. Your a weak town lean for me atm. My initial read on you was actually kinda null. I mentioned you might be scum since I was noticing a similarity in your posts this game to last game where you were mafia. The whole thing was a pretty weak meta read tbh. In fact having reviewed some of the post game stuff from NSM X I see that you went inactive that game due to internet issues, not anything to do with alignment. Given that, I do need to give you a fresh read, so here I go. First I notice you've mentioned this a couple times... Still worries me no one defending GG much. I kinda like your thought process here. Your saying that since nobody is even trying to defend him it suggests to you that he is Town yes? I see one flaw in that thinking and would like to use last game as evidence. Whats to stop scum from bussing their partner? That's what your team did last game when you fell under suspicion and were not around to defend yourself. Besides, there is one person who has been pretty outspoken about defending GG, and you just spent the last page interacting with him. Not sure how you missed ritoky saying this... As for what I like, look at his filter. To me he highlights all but maybe 1 or 2 of what I thought were the most important posts in the first 20 pages and gives an opinion/read on them. He comments on kickstart's opening, he comments on SL/TT interactions, he properly reads me town, he comments on kickstart being bullish, he comments on nydus' entry, and then he addresses the questions posed to him after he catches up. It just reads as town reading the thread and commenting on stuff he finds relevant. The bolded part is just me picking at Nits again. I find it odd that ritoky throws in a subtle "I'm town" in the middle of his read on GG. Still his overall points aren't too bad, and even has me rethinking my own position a little. I'd still like to hear from GG himself though. It really does bug me that he'd scum me early on then ignore my reactions to it. Him asking me to restate my response didn't help, kus it also tells me that he isn't willing to do his own reading + Show Spoiler + this is a trend I've noticed in this community that REALLY bugs me. Reading is super important in forum based Mafia, if you can't be bothered to do it, imho, you shouldn't be here. It looks like GG might be new here, so maybe I'm overreacting. This has me questioning just how much you yourself are paying attn to this game. I'm not going to scum you for not having 100% perfect reading retention or comprehension though. Actually the whole interaction I saw between you and ritoky looked pretty good. This question to Kick was great, Who would you be willing to lynch beyond GG, Kickstart? That tells me that even though you're scumming GG you are looking beyond him as well. That is great town thinking imo, scum would just focus w/e target they pick and try to get others to do the same no? I also like how you pointed out that my "read" on milo there was kinda bad. I don't really like the term "wishy washy" I think it's one of those political terms that attacks indecisiveness, but w/e you have a point. I was giving milo some benefit of the doubt for being new here and was mostly saying I need to see more from him to get a solid read. Thus far I'm not super impressed with him. He's a slight scum lean to me. I poked him a little when I was interacting with ritoky to see what he would do. Mostly I saw him deflecting and not wanting to get pulled into the discussion there. I did find it interesting how me mentions that he doesn't agree with GG being a good lynch. Actually... @milo Care to expand on your thoughts on GG? I really hate Kickstart's play this game if he is town because I think it's like super scummy, but just based on how the game has gone I think there is no way you can both be mafia and this post you made right here reads scummier than Kickstart's which i would have to attribute to misguided town at this point. You already have Kickstart's support at this point and both want to kill me. Why openly start doubting him now as a town? I think you are worried about losing the 'pocket' you have on him so you are intentionally expressing fake 'distrust' in an attempt to continue projecting town. You end your post simply concluding again that you continue to like your 'ally' though and think he is town for 'looking elsewhere in the game besides templar' for pushing scum on milo. I think it was all just very fake. Plus it lines up with the Chezinu Rule (which, again, I feel Scott misused here as Ritoky noted, but that it can be used as an accusation against Ticktock more accurately) With Friends Like These, Who Needs Enemies? | ||
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United States21170 Posts
June 06 2015 11:59 GMT
#1140
On June 06 2015 20:52 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Like how is Tictock not obvious mafia to everyone already? Because your points make no sense and because you repeatedly fail to explain it adequately, in spite of it being so obvious to you that you call him confirmed town. | ||
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United States21170 Posts
June 06 2015 12:02 GMT
#1142
On June 06 2015 20:25 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Post only quotations that support your conclusion and ignore ones that contradict it to bend the truth further. I posted quotations that directly contradict your statement of "I townread KS yesterday". You can't say with any certainty that one of KS/TT is mafia without absolute information. You haven't explained ever WHY one of them has to be mafia. The only evidence you provide is "I don't think they both do it as mafia, and X is scummier, so Y is town". That's FAR from confirmed, it's not conclusive, it's not even based on any logic at all. | ||
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United States21170 Posts
June 06 2015 12:05 GMT
#1143
So yes, I CAN ignore that because you didn't even come close to explaining it enough. ESPECIALLY given the depth with which you explained your other townreads. | ||
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United States21170 Posts
June 06 2015 12:08 GMT
#1144
None of it makes any sense. None of it. You can toss around buzz words like "cognitive bias" all you want, the facts are in the thread. The truth will set you free. And by you, I mean....your spirit. Because we're going to kill you. And your spirit will be free. And the truth is what will do that. :D | ||
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United States21170 Posts
June 06 2015 13:25 GMT
#1151
On June 06 2015 21:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Show nested quote + On June 06 2015 21:38 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Like I shouldn't even have to point out the difference between Nydu's push on Ritoky and Ticktock's. I should say 'RE-point' it out because I already did it once. VE just is practicing selective reading right now and Onegu is doing who the hell knows what. I literally don't even know what you are referring to. Plz stop shitting up the thread and let townie voices be heard. | ||
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United States21170 Posts
June 06 2015 13:36 GMT
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June 06 2015 13:41 GMT
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United States21170 Posts
June 06 2015 13:43 GMT
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United States21170 Posts
June 06 2015 13:47 GMT
#1155
On June 06 2015 21:36 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Show nested quote + On June 06 2015 20:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote: On June 05 2015 01:47 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Town: Ritoky Fideu Milo Nydus Suckslywhateverhisnameis Kickstarter Mafia: Tictock ##Vote: Ticktock Literally quoted this on the previous page. Youre not even reading the thread VE. I'm done with this dumb shit I really hope you are mafia if you're town this is pathetic. This post says nothing about Nydus vs Tt. I can't fathom what you are so angry about. LOL | ||
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United States21170 Posts
June 07 2015 03:52 GMT
#1207
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United States21170 Posts
June 07 2015 04:47 GMT
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United States21170 Posts
June 07 2015 14:22 GMT
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United States21170 Posts
June 07 2015 14:46 GMT
#1316
Temp you should be spending your time trying to get someone from your "solved game list" lynched. If not me, then someone that everyone is NOT reading town. | ||
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United States21170 Posts
June 07 2015 15:02 GMT
#1321
On June 07 2015 23:35 milo109 wrote: Sure. I don't know if you've checked out my filter, but this entire game I've been on the side of Chocolate/Templar. Defending them against the pushes by VE especially. I'm not going to rehash old fights, but I don't see what VE is contributing. He finds one scummy thing one person does, and then just attempts to push a mislynch. He doesn't take the person's whole play into consideration. I just don't like the way he's been playing. Damdred is almost the opposite. He started the game by mildly townreading everybody. None of his early posts take a stand. Then, when he is accused he defends himself by saying, 'make a case' or 'you're dumb' instead of actually proving himself town. The bolded is a lie - with Chocolate and Templar I've outlined several things I don't like about their play, and I've presented all of that to the thread. To say that I just find one thing and tunnel it to oblivion is at best proof that you aren't even reading my filter and at worst a gross misrepresentation of my play. The italicized is your only actual reason for scumreading me, and I'll tell you for free that you're never going to find mafia based on whether you "like" how they play or not. I don't particularly like how you're playing, but you don't see me calling you mafia for it now do you? <3 | ||
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United States21170 Posts
June 07 2015 16:10 GMT
#1342
On June 08 2015 00:17 GGTeMpLaR wrote: It will pretty much legitimize how incompetent the vast majority of you are. Like what is the point of this? Let's suppose you're town and you ARE right for a moment - who cares post-game? It doesn't matter how right you were during the game, all you did was cry about how stupid everyone is and give up, so no one gives a shit whether you're right or not. And they won't next game either if you're town this game, because your reasoning doesn't make sense this game and you're not convincing. If you're town you need to take a step back and come at this game from another angle. Stop getting mad about it and try and figure it out - I realize that you think you have it figured out now, but I'm not mafia and you're putting all your money on it. Which is actually hilarious because up until halfway through this phase, you staunchly asserted that you had NO read on me and that NOTHING I've done, with Chocolate or otherwise, is alignment indicative. And you wonder why people are reading you mafia. Grow up Templar. Or hang because you're mafia. Those are your options. | ||
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United States21170 Posts
June 07 2015 16:17 GMT
#1344
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United States21170 Posts
June 07 2015 16:23 GMT
#1348
On June 05 2015 05:18 Chocolate wrote: I'm trying not to die | ||
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United States21170 Posts
June 07 2015 16:25 GMT
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United States21170 Posts
June 07 2015 16:28 GMT
#1352
On June 08 2015 01:21 milo109 wrote: Shendel, you mentioned that I haven't evaluated my reads. The problem is, no one is pressuring my scum list. They haven't had to prove themselves. I prove myself with every single post I make. If you have a specific problem with anything I've posted, I invite you to explain why so I can either explain myself or explain why you're mistaken. | ||
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United States21170 Posts
June 07 2015 16:32 GMT
#1356
On June 08 2015 01:29 Shendelzare wrote: Show nested quote + On June 08 2015 01:25 VisceraEyes wrote: He and Templar both have tried to seed this "VE is a bully" sentiment. Maybe it's just how I accuse people, I don't know, but obviously to me I'm town and I know that it's not intentional, so to me it looks like they're pushing an agenda. Well I know Milo is trying to compare you now to how you are in video mafia, and since I know little on the difference, I'm just surprised he's only looking at your tone, selectively looking at your tone without considering anything else you're posting. I don't know if that's how people play in video mafia, apparently Templar says it isn't but regardless he's not being helpful at best by not re-evaluating things. I haven't even played video mafia in months, I don't know why ANYONE thinks they even have a read on my video play. I've played one time in the last maybe 3 months. Anyway, I welcome anyone to scrutinize my posting. GGTemplar would LOVE for you guys to scrutinize my posting, and I agree with him wholeheartedly on at least that. | ||
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United States21170 Posts
June 07 2015 17:45 GMT
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United States21170 Posts
June 07 2015 20:57 GMT
#1393
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United States21170 Posts
June 07 2015 21:34 GMT
#1405
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United States21170 Posts
June 08 2015 01:05 GMT
#1429
Obviously I have to reevaluate. I'll be back before dawn or whatever. | ||
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United States21170 Posts
June 09 2015 22:17 GMT
#1627
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United States21170 Posts
June 09 2015 22:22 GMT
#1629
On June 10 2015 07:20 scott31337 wrote: Best defense ever guys that's solved let's go back to Chocolate What's the accusation again? Disappeared after being wrong on my most certain scumread in the game? Guilty! Still not mafia though. | ||
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United States21170 Posts
June 09 2015 22:24 GMT
#1630
Honestly at this point I'm fine with either. | ||
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United States21170 Posts
June 09 2015 22:28 GMT
#1631
Do I think VE plays this way as mafia? ##Vote: Chocolate Now it's my turn to OMGUS. | ||
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United States21170 Posts
June 09 2015 22:34 GMT
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United States21170 Posts
June 10 2015 14:34 GMT
#1654
On June 10 2015 22:14 Fidei86 wrote: BTW I want to call it here and now, I think the mafia team is Ticktock, Scott and VE. One thing really struck me about the GGT wagon - it was basically entirely started by VE, but only after GGT had raised utter hell about Ticktock already. And that was on top of VE having previously had a mortal lock scum read on Chocolate. There was literally no reason not to continue to push for the Chocolate lynch, especially because plenty of other townies were crowing for him to be lynched as well (indeed, Shen continued to advocate it for a while). I don't see why VE would move off one of his "confirmed mafia" onto another, particularly as GGT was literally tunnel-visioned on Ticktock. I see no reason why a townie VE ships his vote from Chocolate to GGT, except to try and "bury" the Ticktock train that might have started to form. I'm very happy to be talked down from this, but that's how I see things. How about because I thought GGTemplar was more likely mafia based on what was happening in the thread? Like...how is that not the FIRST option that you consider if you looked at my posting from that time at all? | ||
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United States21170 Posts
June 10 2015 14:35 GMT
#1655
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United States21170 Posts
June 10 2015 19:30 GMT
#1687
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United States21170 Posts
June 10 2015 19:55 GMT
#1689
On June 11 2015 04:49 Fidei86 wrote: Where's your vote going Damdred? AND Chocolate. They've both failed to vote yet I think. | ||
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United States21170 Posts
June 10 2015 22:28 GMT
#1711
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United States21170 Posts
June 11 2015 13:37 GMT
#1776
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United States21170 Posts
June 11 2015 13:48 GMT
#1778
On June 11 2015 22:47 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On June 11 2015 22:37 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm down with lynching NydusHerMain next. Id prefer damdred but would lynch NHM Is this still based on the Onegu Rule thing? Or have you advanced your read? I don't want to filter you, but if you say you said why already I'll go look. | ||
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United States21170 Posts
June 11 2015 13:54 GMT
#1781
On June 11 2015 22:49 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On June 11 2015 22:48 VisceraEyes wrote: On June 11 2015 22:47 Onegu wrote: On June 11 2015 22:37 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm down with lynching NydusHerMain next. Id prefer damdred but would lynch NHM Is this still based on the Onegu Rule thing? Or have you advanced your read? I don't want to filter you, but if you say you said why already I'll go look. NHM is onegu rule. Damdred has many more reasons. Like this just feels to me like you're trying to dissuade me from voting NHM and to vote Damdred. Which is fine I guess, but I have bias against voting for Damdred because he's one of the only people who still thinks I'm town, plus his activity has been better than I expect from a mafia Damdred. Uuuuuggghhhh. | ||
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United States21170 Posts
June 11 2015 13:55 GMT
#1782
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United States21170 Posts
June 11 2015 13:55 GMT
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United States21170 Posts
June 11 2015 14:47 GMT
#1787
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United States21170 Posts
June 11 2015 14:48 GMT
#1788
On June 11 2015 23:45 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On June 11 2015 22:54 VisceraEyes wrote: On June 11 2015 22:49 Onegu wrote: On June 11 2015 22:48 VisceraEyes wrote: On June 11 2015 22:47 Onegu wrote: On June 11 2015 22:37 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm down with lynching NydusHerMain next. Id prefer damdred but would lynch NHM Is this still based on the Onegu Rule thing? Or have you advanced your read? I don't want to filter you, but if you say you said why already I'll go look. NHM is onegu rule. Damdred has many more reasons. Like this just feels to me like you're trying to dissuade me from voting NHM and to vote Damdred. Which is fine I guess, but I have bias against voting for Damdred because he's one of the only people who still thinks I'm town, plus his activity has been better than I expect from a mafia Damdred. Uuuuuggghhhh. Pocketing And I'm a notoriously easy pocket too. That's what sucks about it. | ||
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United States21170 Posts
June 11 2015 15:30 GMT
#1791
On June 12 2015 00:09 Damdred wrote: Smh. Oneg pushes me d1 wastes his vote to fo so, only talks about me during the night (or days in scum a lot) First thing he does next day is vote not-damdred Ehat do I do? I say that's scummy and vote him for a bit. Then bs about omega rule starts coming up Yeah, this is the thing that I get hung up on with regard to Onegu. He claims his reads are all good and that he's the best player in the game, etc etc, but then he uses some lazy ass metric that doesn't even make sense to determine all his scumreads? It's offset by the fact that Onegu was playing with a death wish if he's mafia for the first couple days. That's the only problem I can see with Onegu being mafia here - it's not even like people weren't talking about him D1 - people WERE talking about him, which is the basis of his retarded rule. | ||
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United States21170 Posts
June 11 2015 18:35 GMT
#1797
On June 12 2015 02:04 Fidei86 wrote: Okay so I misread your post. And maybe you misread mine? I wasn't calling you scum for leading on GGT, I was calling you scum because you abandoned your push on Chocolate to lead one on GGT, only after GGT started pushing on TT (who is also my top scum read). And also because I find it extremely disconcerting that you have said some version of "I'm town" basically every other post. I didn't so much abandon my push on Chocolate as I widened my search, and I thought I nabbed GG. It's really not complicated - I was giving him a chance to come in and PROVE that he's town through action or posting or something, and GG was (from my perspective) claiming mafia with every post. So it was a thing where I became MORE certain about GG than Chocolate, so that's where my push went. You'll see though that as the day progressed and he did nothing, my scumread on Chocolate made its way back into my filter. Saying "I'm town" is not alignment indicative, I get that you don't like it or whatever, but I do it as town and mafia in equal portions. You have to look at my play, and my pushes, and my reasoning to determine my alignment. This game I think it should be pretty obvious, and that's why I say it. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 11 2015 18:39 GMT
#1798
It IS (generally speaking) all in my filter. And my filter isn't inconsiderable, all things considered. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 11 2015 20:31 GMT
#1813
On June 12 2015 04:56 milo109 wrote: From my point of view, VE/Damdred are almost confirmed scum after that town read. I keep explaining my actions, my thoughts and my posts. What have you disliked about my explanations that you still aren't reevaluating me. Or in other words, what makes you so sure that I'm mafia that you're now calling Damdred mafia based on him saying I look townie? | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 11 2015 20:34 GMT
#1814
On June 12 2015 04:50 Fidei86 wrote: I'm actually down for lynching NHM just for that unbelievably shitty read. Everyone has me and milo as confirmed town. Onegu has done nothing alignment indicative at all. All game. I can understand TT as town - I don't agree with it but he at least appears to have been trying. But Scott hasn't. He's just piggybacked all game. I didn't have a read on NHM because he's essentially been a lurker, but I can't believe any town would have that read. I need you to explain this read. Why is NHM mafia for not following the herd mentality with regard to you and milo? Appealing to majority is one of the worst kind of logical fallacies because in a game like mafia (where the "good guys" already outnumber the "bad guys") the majority are uninformed and can (and DO) make mistakes. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 11 2015 20:35 GMT
#1815
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 11 2015 21:16 GMT
#1821
On June 12 2015 05:47 Tictock wrote: Show nested quote + On June 11 2015 18:12 Onegu wrote: First off my reads havent changed. Also I realized GG didnt violate the onegu a bit before we lynched him. And NHM did qualify so scum is at least those 2. 3rd scum. I need to think about I will filter dive tonight. I promise. Also I didnt think I would be the NK last game but I was because I R AWESOME. Ok will make effort after a dota game. So these 2 bolded lines here either make no sense or are completely unrelated to this game... I've never played with Onegu before so I have no idea what his meta is like, but I'd have to assume he'd at least be trying to make sense as Mafia here so that there was as little chance of him getting lynched. So in my mind this makes hime town this game. It is possibly scum just doesn't give a shit anymore this game, after all they just need to force one more mislynch and given how town has been going this game that is probably pretty easy... @ Damdred Care to expand on why you think those posts from VE make him town? I'm less angry with him now that he has at least shown up again, but I'm only seeing him defend himself atm which could be coming from either scum or town VE as far as I know. I'm 100% digging through Scotts filter later today if both me and him survive the night. His posts last night felt strange and that like conditional voting post thing was rather odd as well. Can't tell if he was just frustrated last night and possibly a little drunk, or if he was just uncomfortable & flailing since Damdred started to suspect him as scum and was trying to pocket me... On June 11 2015 22:48 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On June 11 2015 22:47 Onegu wrote: On June 11 2015 22:37 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm down with lynching NydusHerMain next. Id prefer damdred but would lynch NHM Is this still based on the Onegu Rule thing? Or have you advanced your read? I don't want to filter you, but if you say you said why already I'll go look. On June 11 2015 22:54 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On June 11 2015 22:49 Onegu wrote: On June 11 2015 22:48 VisceraEyes wrote: On June 11 2015 22:47 Onegu wrote: On June 11 2015 22:37 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm down with lynching NydusHerMain next. Id prefer damdred but would lynch NHM Is this still based on the Onegu Rule thing? Or have you advanced your read? I don't want to filter you, but if you say you said why already I'll go look. NHM is onegu rule. Damdred has many more reasons. Like this just feels to me like you're trying to dissuade me from voting NHM and to vote Damdred. Which is fine I guess, but I have bias against voting for Damdred because he's one of the only people who still thinks I'm town, plus his activity has been better than I expect from a mafia Damdred. Uuuuuggghhhh. On June 11 2015 22:55 VisceraEyes wrote: You raise an interesting point about him switching his read on you opportunely if true, I'll have to go look at that. On June 12 2015 05:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On June 12 2015 04:50 Fidei86 wrote: I'm actually down for lynching NHM just for that unbelievably shitty read. Everyone has me and milo as confirmed town. Onegu has done nothing alignment indicative at all. All game. I can understand TT as town - I don't agree with it but he at least appears to have been trying. But Scott hasn't. He's just piggybacked all game. I didn't have a read on NHM because he's essentially been a lurker, but I can't believe any town would have that read. I need you to explain this read. Why is NHM mafia for not following the herd mentality with regard to you and milo? Appealing to majority is one of the worst kind of logical fallacies because in a game like mafia (where the "good guys" already outnumber the "bad guys") the majority are uninformed and can (and DO) make mistakes. ZERO of these posts are me defending myself. Ticktock are you fucking mafia bro? | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 11 2015 21:19 GMT
#1822
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 11 2015 21:22 GMT
#1823
On June 12 2015 05:56 Fidei86 wrote: I just don't think it's possible for anyone to read Onegu as town. I also don't understand the Scott read. Scott hasn't led anything. He hasn't stuck his neck out once. He also reacted super badly to me calling him scum the first time. He was actually very rude ("your heart is going faster now, isn't it?") - I found that actually a little intimidating, and I don't know why a townie would say it. Of course, NHM could just be misguided town. But I hate the read. But it IS possible if someone determines his play this game to be in line with his town play. It's not far off, that's why I'm not super interested in looking at him currently, but if anyone has any reason to specifically mafia read Onegu I'm all-ears. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 11 2015 21:37 GMT
#1828
On June 12 2015 06:31 Fidei86 wrote: If I die before I can post my "this is why Scott is Mafia" bible post, I'm going to be frustrated. This tube ride has lasted forever. Thank god for the wifi at stations though. Made this shit bearable. On June 12 2015 06:32 Damdred wrote: Guys please stop posting. Wait for day post it sucks but don't want to get mod killed A) The timing of this post is hilarious considering, and B) The rules don't say anything about anyone getting modkilled because the hosts didn't make the daypost in time. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 12 2015 00:19 GMT
#1850
Like...walk me through it. You say that because there's a "giftwrapped mislynch bandwagon" on you and he continues on Damdred, that makes him town. I say that because A) it was during the night-phase, when no voting could even take place and B) you still appear on his mafia list, that reasoning doesn't make sense. Is there something I'm missing? Further, you don't seem to consider the possibility of EITHER of you OR Onegu being night-killed, but that's pretty minor considering the fact that you both have pretty puny filters and have spent a large chunk of the game lurking - if you're town then I can see you just not considering being night-killed...it's just that I thought I might be night-killed, and I have loads of suspicion on me, so to see you not consider it is....off-putting to say the least. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 12 2015 04:06 GMT
#1864
On June 12 2015 10:38 scott31337 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 10 2015 22:14 Fidei86 wrote: BTW I want to call it here and now, I think the mafia team is Ticktock, Scott and VE. One thing really struck me about the GGT wagon - it was basically entirely started by VE, but only after GGT had raised utter hell about Ticktock already. And that was on top of VE having previously had a mortal lock scum read on Chocolate. There was literally no reason not to continue to push for the Chocolate lynch, especially because plenty of other townies were crowing for him to be lynched as well (indeed, Shen continued to advocate it for a while). I don't see why VE would move off one of his "confirmed mafia" onto another, particularly as GGT was literally tunnel-visioned on Ticktock. I see no reason why a townie VE ships his vote from Chocolate to GGT, except to try and "bury" the Ticktock train that might have started to form. I'm very happy to be talked down from this, but that's how I see things. Show nested quote + On June 10 2015 22:25 Fidei86 wrote: I think you could plausibly swap out scott for Onegu in my theory, since Onegu has essentially contributed nothing to this game and has, in my view, thrown it to the mafia. I don't think he's mafia, but there's literally no point trying to give him a sensible read, because he hasn't contributed enough to make any such read worthwhile. I wonder how much truth there is in this. Any update on this? What's your opinion? | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 12 2015 04:33 GMT
#1866
On June 12 2015 13:19 scott31337 wrote: Tictock, so I just checked NYM's filter and he interacts extremely little with you, even though you have one of the biggest filters. What do you think about that and NYM? VE I think it's off. We just have to keep the votes consistent - all the townies need to vote one person anyway. I just am seeing Tictock and Damdred going after me now which from a town perspective seems strange - but from mafia they are like "Welp he's the lowest fruit now, let's GG it out!" ## Tictock/Damdred/NHM maybe? Who do you want to lynch today? I like both Ticktock and Damdred. NHM maybe. Probably. I'd probably lynch NHM today. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 12 2015 04:35 GMT
#1867
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 12 2015 04:44 GMT
#1869
On June 12 2015 13:40 Damdred wrote: I'd also curious why Scott decided to vote me and then come into thread and push tick instead of scum read damdred I'm mostly interested in his new townread on Onegu. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 12 2015 04:53 GMT
#1871
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 12 2015 05:00 GMT
#1872
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 12 2015 05:00 GMT
#1873
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 12 2015 05:02 GMT
#1874
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 12 2015 05:03 GMT
#1875
On June 12 2015 14:02 VisceraEyes wrote: Like I think the team is NHM, scott and Onegu. They all KINDA wanna lynch each other, but REALLY wanna lynch someone I think is town. For endgame credz. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 12 2015 05:09 GMT
#1876
I think he's probably mafia this game, and I think that's why Fidei died. Because he was suspicious of scott and Onegu. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 12 2015 05:27 GMT
#1877
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 12 2015 05:47 GMT
#1879
On June 05 2015 05:08 GlowingBear wrote: Day 1 Vote Count milo109(0): Tictock(1): sicklucker Chocolate(5): GGTemplar(1): VisceraEyes(1): Onegu(2): Fidei86, Chocolate Kickstart(1): Damdred Damdred(1) Onegu Not Voting (1): GGTemplar Currently, Chocolate is set to be executed. Day 1 ends in at 21:00 GMT (+00:00). The voting thread is located here. Posting after the deadline and before the flip will result in a modkill. UNJUSTIFIED FAILURE TO VOTE WILL RESULT IN A MODKILL On June 08 2015 06:30 GlowingBear wrote: Day 2 Final Vote Count Shendelzare(0): Chocolate(0): Onegu(0): Tictock(4): GGTemplar(6): VisceraEyes, Onegu, Tictock, VisceraEyes(0): NydusHerMain(0): Fidei86(0): Damdred(1): milo109 Currently, GGTemplar is set to be executed. Day 2 ends in at 21:00 GMT (+00:00). The voting thread is located here. Posting after the deadline and before the flip will result in a modkill. Failure to vote once will result in a warning. Failure to vote twice will result in a modkill. On June 12 2015 03:26 GlowingBear wrote: Day 3 Final Vote Count Chocolate(5): Tictock(1): Fidei86 VisceraEyes(1): Damdred(2): Onegu, milo109 Currently, Chocolate is set to be executed. Day 3 ends in at 21:00 GMT (+00:00). The voting thread is located here. Posting after the deadline and before the flip will result in a modkill. Failure to vote once will result in a warning. Failure to vote twice will result in a modkill. Putting this out there just to look at for a minute. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 12 2015 06:11 GMT
#1882
On June 12 2015 15:00 Tictock wrote: @ Damdred Man why were you even worried? I poured over your filter and you have been one towny mother*%&$#^#$ this game. I'm salty that you started a wagon that got Kick lynched, and something about your tone does suggest this "playing all sides" attitude to me at times. However I have to admit that you've generally had good reads, made great points, and while you seem to shine most after EoD your reads have all been consistent and I can actually see how they change by looking through your posts carefully. Show nested quote + On June 12 2015 14:09 VisceraEyes wrote: Like everyone go look at Onegu's filter in Carnival Cruise. You'll notice that his filter size is about the same, but the content is WILDLY different. He actually gives reasons for his suspicions and references posts and explains what he's thinking. In this game it's just been a blind Damdred push all game long, mostly for no reason other than his "Onegu Rule" which doesn't even make any sense. I think he's probably mafia this game, and I think that's why Fidei died. Because he was suspicious of scott and Onegu. From what others have said I thought his lack of interest would suggest that he is town... Now that i think about that I'm pretty sure it was Scott who said that though. Honestly I've been kinda relying on other peoples reads on him, plus his occasional coherent posts to support my idea of him being town. At this point all I know for sure about Onegu is that he is a terrible lynch today because he is more or less a coinflip. I've spent a lot of time now convincing myself that Damdred and VE are town this game so for the moment I am going to sheep this scott wagon. I will do my own due-diligence just like i have been doing and go through scotts filter tomorrow. Damdred and VE... if you two are in fact both scum this game and I'm just walking right into another mislynch... I'll be very cross with you post game. ##Vote: Scott You might be right about Onegu, and scott could be pandering for his vote later today or later in the game if we hit today. That's a world, but in that case, if you're town and Damdred is town, then that makes milo mafia. Do you think milo is mafia? | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 12 2015 06:31 GMT
#1884
FMP the chosen mislynch today is Damdred because milo won't vote for anyone but myself or Damdred and scott is voting for Damdred with milo, while putting Nydus' name out there in case the wind blows his direction. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 12 2015 06:54 GMT
#1885
The largest indicator to me that he's town this game is that he has stated unequivocally that Damdred is one of his lynch choices today, and suddenly today there are two votes on Damdred. THAT is actually scum playing for the win. Not whatever milo said Damdred is doing that looks like scum playing for th ewin. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 12 2015 13:15 GMT
#1887
On June 12 2015 21:38 milo109 wrote: Alright. You're correct. I don't want to throw this game because I was so tunneled on a read that we lost. If you and Damdred are town, that means among the group of four left there must be three mafia. Probably Scott/Onegu/NMH. I agree the prevoting isn't great, but it isn't necessarily mafia. If those three are mafia, they have had an easy job of not needing to push at all. Do you think a mafia team would be that passive? If you were mafia and townies were trying to push townies, would you be passive? I would. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 12 2015 15:16 GMT
#1891
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 12 2015 15:24 GMT
#1892
But he's got that EoD unvote, so it seems like mafia are afraid to push him or something. OR he's mafia. I don't know, I think it's more likely that he's town though. Onegu is another that, if town, is low-hanging fruit. Low posting, just wants to lynch Damdred, but doesn't want to try and convince anyone. I don't think so though. I looked at Carnival A) because he referenced it himself this game as evidence of his "Onegu Rule" and B) it's in my list of Subscribed Threads still. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 12 2015 19:28 GMT
#1912
On June 13 2015 03:21 NydusHerMain wrote: Show nested quote + On June 13 2015 03:16 milo109 wrote: NMH, don't even try. IF he's correct, you're voting with mafia and are probably scum. And he might even be correct. Stfu if hes town and I'm mafia I have no incentive to even post. I've already won with the amount of People voting on damdred if he's town. I'm dying to determine his alignment. Why shouldn't I try Milo? YOU ARE NOT in my town circle so why shouldn't I just vote on you for telling me to stop trying to win the game?d The incentive you have to post is that if we nail one of your partners today and you're in here doing nothing while it happens AFKing on Damdred, then you're next on the block. You HAVE to be seen in here "figuring it out" or you're ABSOLUTELY being lynched next, or after Onegu, or whatever. My point is, you've GOT to "look town" soon or you're toast if you're mafia. That's your incentive. I don't care if you have enough votes on Damdred now, clearly at least some townies are trying to win the game, so you don't get cred for just showing up right now. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 12 2015 19:32 GMT
#1913
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 12 2015 19:34 GMT
#1914
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 12 2015 19:40 GMT
#1916
On June 13 2015 04:40 scott31337 wrote: Sorry to hear about your basement Tic, I've helped friends with that before, not a fun time. Hope it all works out. Now I'm "scummy-as-fuck". I think we're on to something boys. Your response about Onegu was scummy as fuck, yes. You looked okay before, but for reasons I've already stated I think you're very suspicious today. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 12 2015 19:46 GMT
#1919
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 12 2015 19:55 GMT
#1920
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 12 2015 21:28 GMT
#1925
On June 13 2015 06:20 scott31337 wrote: VE is the one I'm most in doubt of. But the other two I'm pretty confident of now - TT should be dead and he's not. After the three mislynches he went after me ![]() I've always had mixed emotions about yourself. Keep fearmongering. It's helping my case, not yours. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 13 2015 13:52 GMT
#1952
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 13 2015 13:59 GMT
#1953
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 13 2015 14:01 GMT
#1954
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 13 2015 14:02 GMT
#1955
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 13 2015 14:15 GMT
#1956
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 13 2015 14:17 GMT
#1957
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 13 2015 15:01 GMT
#1959
On June 13 2015 23:33 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On June 13 2015 23:02 VisceraEyes wrote: NHM and Onegu are borderline AFKing on Damdred. EBWOP Whateves should have just AFKd on him putting effort when we are in lylo is now getting me scum read from VE for some dumb ass reason... Somehow you guys are scum reading me when its very clear damdred is scum. Scott maybe but I kinda doubt it. You're putting in effort because there's still a missing vote on your target. Like Nydus, you can't just come in here and claim cred for "trying" when you would have to try as EITHER ALIGNMENT right now. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 13 2015 15:02 GMT
#1960
That's not how forum mafia works. Nydus I can understand not making that connection, but Onegu KNOWS that's not how this shit works. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 13 2015 17:39 GMT
#1975
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 13 2015 18:11 GMT
#1978
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 13 2015 18:14 GMT
#1981
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 13 2015 18:16 GMT
#1982
On June 14 2015 03:12 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On June 14 2015 03:11 VisceraEyes wrote: It's real easy. Onegu tries as Mafia. He's in here trying. The prosecution rests. No onegu trys day 1 as mafia. Onegu tries as town as the game goes on and his reads develop... So why aren't we seeing that here? Trying OR developing reads? Neither one present all game. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 13 2015 18:17 GMT
#1983
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United States21170 Posts
June 13 2015 18:18 GMT
#1984
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 13 2015 18:25 GMT
#1988
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United States21170 Posts
June 13 2015 18:27 GMT
#1990
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United States21170 Posts
June 13 2015 18:29 GMT
#1991
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 13 2015 18:29 GMT
#1992
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 13 2015 18:31 GMT
#1993
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United States21170 Posts
June 13 2015 18:31 GMT
#1994
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United States21170 Posts
June 13 2015 19:29 GMT
#2002
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United States21170 Posts
June 13 2015 19:42 GMT
#2004
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 13 2015 19:43 GMT
#2005
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United States21170 Posts
June 13 2015 19:59 GMT
#2015
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 13 2015 20:04 GMT
#2019
On June 14 2015 05:02 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On June 14 2015 04:59 VisceraEyes wrote: What are the actual reasons people want to lynch Damdred? Onegu if you can explain without referencing the rule then you are welcome to answer too. Did you not read my case Yes. I'd like you to elaborate, factoring in the fact that he's one of the only people actually trying in parts of this game. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 13 2015 20:07 GMT
#2021
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United States21170 Posts
June 13 2015 20:16 GMT
#2026
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 13 2015 20:25 GMT
#2029
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 13 2015 20:30 GMT
#2030
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 13 2015 20:35 GMT
#2032
Like if more people were here then okay, but it's literally that close. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 13 2015 20:44 GMT
#2034
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 13 2015 20:57 GMT
#2043
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 13 2015 20:58 GMT
#2044
On June 14 2015 05:57 NydusHerMain wrote: Taking advantage of an ark w e lose if you vote me but I bet there's a town in ticktock or milo and I lose anyways since they're busy zzzz gg But...evidently....you're not afk. Evidently.....you're here. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 13 2015 21:00 GMT
#2050
w/e, I've been wrong all game, might as well fuck it up at the end too to round it up right? | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 13 2015 21:01 GMT
#2053
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United States21170 Posts
June 13 2015 21:03 GMT
#2055
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 13 2015 21:09 GMT
#2062
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 13 2015 21:10 GMT
#2063
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 13 2015 21:13 GMT
#2065
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 13 2015 21:31 GMT
#2068
On June 14 2015 06:16 Damdred wrote: Well there is one other theory. Scott could be scum still or technically ve. And could of,been waiting,last minute Tom switch to,me or Scott but oneg ruined it by consolidating. I think 've is super unlikely though Oneg consolidated with a lot of time right? A switch to scott from anyone saves nydus. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 13 2015 21:33 GMT
#2069
On June 14 2015 06:31 Damdred wrote: Also it's interesting that d2 we had nhm on tick tock I believe for the lynch. I need to see reasoning for that vote or if it was a bus. Sleep tight boys, theres still work to be done. ![]() | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 14 2015 03:09 GMT
#2085
1) Steve could have gotten a wagon rolling on Nydus MUCH sooner, he mentioned being suspicious of Nydus earlier and townies (myself included) were murmuring assent. Yet he didn't try and get Nydus lynched then, he stayed on Damdred with Onegu. It wasn't until we finally got milo's vote that steve did anything at all to fight his lynch actually. And when he did move his vote, he moved it to Ticktock first. Not Nydus. 2) Milo (presumed townie before flip) and Ticktock (general townread before flip) were both going to be AFK for the flip, explicitly in the thread I believe. If they're townies on mafia steve then a switch to mafia Nydus looks REALLY BAD for them. 3) Onegu's vote was meaningless - we had majority on Nydus before Onegu moved. Also Nydus (confirmed mafia after the flip) moved his vote to Steve - distancing much? Anyway, I just wanted that out there before I die. I still think it's at lest fairly likely that Steve and Onegu are mafia. I'm trying to reevaluate, but this has to be in the thread. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 14 2015 03:09 GMT
#2086
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 14 2015 19:17 GMT
#2122
On June 15 2015 03:41 Damdred wrote: It's literally impossible that oneg+Milo is the scum team. If they are Idk what to think,about oneg anymore. This never happens. Obey could have switched to scott "because scumdred is voting Nydus" Syu if Scott is town then Kawhi wins the game yesterday. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 14 2015 19:18 GMT
#2123
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 14 2015 20:02 GMT
#2125
On June 15 2015 04:36 Damdred wrote: Ve I think,I'm dead so I'll be trusting you to herd town. Depending on Milo answers I'm leaning him and maybe tt. And a side of oneg and Scott. To me milo/tt and Scott don't make a lot of sense due to not hammering me when he could,have and winning the game. The gut says that oneg wouldn't of moved and Scott would of killed me at the last second. But could be wrong, also leaning town on Scott sorta I'm fighting confirmation bias that tells me otherwise. But you know I'll try and make the right decision. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 14 2015 20:58 GMT
#2128
Use your head town. | ||
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United States21170 Posts
June 14 2015 21:21 GMT
#2134
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 14 2015 21:24 GMT
#2135
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 14 2015 21:26 GMT
#2136
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 14 2015 21:54 GMT
#2139
On June 15 2015 06:48 scott31337 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 13 2015 03:06 milo109 wrote: Hmm. So it's either Scott/Onegu/NMH or VE/Damdred/Tictock. I don't see any way mafia isn't voting along party lines. I have to figure out which is more likely. So in theory this is Milo's thinking there. He doesn't want to vote off of "party lines" - although he contrasted himself in Show nested quote + On June 12 2015 04:56 milo109 wrote: From my point of view, VE/Damdred are almost confirmed scum after that town read. I believe he doesn't want to stick his head out on VE/Damd/TT since they will jump all over him for it and doesn't want to vote against his mafia partner. He knows he won't be around for deadline and neither will TT if a vote change occurs - and would look even worse if his vote is on Damdred then he does now if votes are changed, which did occur. What do you mean "vote against his mafia partner"? At the time the choices were confirmed town Damdred and you, sir. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 14 2015 23:46 GMT
#2151
IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE this world that you're trying to craft. | ||
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United States21170 Posts
June 14 2015 23:57 GMT
#2152
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 15 2015 00:04 GMT
#2153
Tell me. What makes you so certain that Onegu is town? As I pointed out, we had reached majority on Nydus WITHOUT Onegu's claim. And the reason he stated was "consolidation" which applied to the scott lynch just as much as it applied to his own Damdred lynch. If he were town and he were certain of Damdred's guilt at the time, why not cry for consolidation onto his target? | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 15 2015 00:04 GMT
#2154
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 15 2015 13:42 GMT
#2169
If scott is town, I honestly don't know what to say but I'm sorry, but I honestly believe the team is scott/Onegu at this point. I think I nailed it yesterday when I called this team out. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 15 2015 16:00 GMT
#2187
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 15 2015 16:01 GMT
#2188
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 15 2015 21:15 GMT
#2194
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 15 2015 21:17 GMT
#2195
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 15 2015 21:20 GMT
#2196
On June 16 2015 01:21 Onegu wrote: Really VE you think I make that play as mafia and not just stay/switch onto damdred last second? Frankly as town I would elect you to bullheadedly stay on your target (Damdred) and scream at US about consolidation. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 15 2015 21:52 GMT
#2202
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 15 2015 22:29 GMT
#2209
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 16 2015 12:39 GMT
#2247
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 16 2015 12:45 GMT
#2250
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 16 2015 12:48 GMT
#2254
Further, Nydus was here - like you can say he was AFK until the vote switch, but when the vote switch DID happen, he was HERE to comment on it - that doesn't smack of premeditated to you Onegu? But it doesn't - you're not seeing any of this because you're on the team that tried to perpetrate it. I won't let you get away with it. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 16 2015 12:55 GMT
#2258
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 16 2015 13:00 GMT
#2261
On June 16 2015 21:59 Onegu wrote: The only way that works I think is if milo and scott are scum together and Scott knew milo was going to be afk. And had to bus. But normally simplest answer is correct and that is milo and TT are scum. Why? We're in LYLO, your reasoning is EVEN MORE important than your conclusion - why can it only be milo/TT? Why can't it be scott/TT? | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 16 2015 13:02 GMT
#2263
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 16 2015 13:03 GMT
#2264
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 16 2015 13:03 GMT
#2266
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 16 2015 13:05 GMT
#2268
On June 16 2015 22:04 Onegu wrote: I am town VE it is 100% impossible for me and scott to be scum toghether Explain like I'm the idiot you wish I was. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 16 2015 13:07 GMT
#2270
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 16 2015 13:08 GMT
#2272
On June 16 2015 22:07 Onegu wrote: We vote switch last second you have no chance to swich and the game is over. Nope, you have to do it with at least a little time left because you don't know if it's going to count or not - you have to give at least a little buffer between 59 and 00 because if you don't then you run the risk of making it in at 00 and your vote not counting and you claiming mafia. Take it from someone who's been on a voteswitch a time or two bud. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 16 2015 13:10 GMT
#2277
On June 16 2015 22:09 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On June 16 2015 22:07 VisceraEyes wrote: False - if you and scott are scum then me and Damdred were watching the thread like hawks for a vote-switch. It's not hard, you just keep f5 with a copy/paste of your revote and if it changes you switch it. EZPZ. You wouldnt have time and you and damdred both would have to do it multiplying the factor that one of you would be slow. When I am confident that both of you would be to slow to do it. But you're actually wrong - I was literally f5ing the vote thread the whole time LITERALLY WATCHING for a vote-switch. I CAN ASSURE you that you wouldn't have gotten it through. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 16 2015 13:11 GMT
#2281
On June 16 2015 22:10 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On June 16 2015 22:10 VisceraEyes wrote: On June 16 2015 22:09 Onegu wrote: On June 16 2015 22:07 VisceraEyes wrote: False - if you and scott are scum then me and Damdred were watching the thread like hawks for a vote-switch. It's not hard, you just keep f5 with a copy/paste of your revote and if it changes you switch it. EZPZ. You wouldnt have time and you and damdred both would have to do it multiplying the factor that one of you would be slow. When I am confident that both of you would be to slow to do it. But you're actually wrong - I was literally f5ing the vote thread the whole time LITERALLY WATCHING for a vote-switch. I CAN ASSURE you that you wouldn't have gotten it through. No I can assure you I would have gotten the lynch. Well we'll have to agree to disagree. If you're town we can talk about it in post-game. At any rate, I'm not accepting any fantasies about voteswitches as valid reasoning for townreads. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 16 2015 13:16 GMT
#2286
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United States21170 Posts
June 16 2015 13:22 GMT
#2288
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United States21170 Posts
June 16 2015 14:22 GMT
#2290
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 16 2015 18:31 GMT
#2297
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 16 2015 19:50 GMT
#2309
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United States21170 Posts
June 16 2015 19:54 GMT
#2311
And if it were based on a post, why not say that rather than "Oh you know, guts" when I asked him yesterday? UUUUGGGGHHHHHHHH GAME SO HARD!!!!! | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 16 2015 19:56 GMT
#2312
GAH!!! | ||
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United States21170 Posts
June 16 2015 20:19 GMT
#2315
On June 17 2015 05:11 Tictock wrote: @ VE I don't know how you can say I'm not trying to figuer things out, but when Scott and Onegu are hard townreading each other and pushing Myself as scum with Milo it's hard not to just OMGUS on them. I'm wondering though, what is looking towny to you about scott? I looked through his filter and came to the opposite conclusion, do you think I'm just too biased? Mostly it's in how he responds to others' posts directed at him, and the way he seems to be evaluating the game. Particularly the post on the first page of his filter where he talks about the Chezinu rule is a good post that illustrates what I'm talking about. But there again, early in the game with an Onegu townread, based on very little (since very little is all Onegu had done up to that point). | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 16 2015 20:23 GMT
#2316
On June 05 2015 03:14 scott31337 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 04 2015 16:15 ritoky wrote: well going to bed and i think this is the best lynch: ##vote: chocolate he wanted to policy lynch scott for inactivity before the person he made a scum case on in VE, which makes absolutely no sense to me. when pressured and asked about it he gave some convoluted response about a thought process which never occurred in the thread, him having a read on scott that didn't exist because it was policy, and some factually incorrect information. add this onto VE's case, and i think it is currently the best vote. VE just stealth voted onto GG - I'm about 70% GG is town just by how the votes are going. The case can't be that great... I already have a spider sense someone who's pocketing me is mafia - just need to figure out who. And then there's this post. Trying to cast shade on me by saying I "stealth voted" when I'd been talking about lynching GG all day that day or something....and then the bit about "someone who's pocketing me is mafia"....up to that point, he had only mentioned a single person who might be pocketing him - me - so this just stinks of agenda pushing to me. A) I never pocketed scott, only gave a read on scott and B) "The case can't be that great"....well is it or isn't it? This is really REALLY wishywashy to say about someone who he "suspects" is "pocketing" him. Why not look at the case and make your own determination? You know, the way he's been crying at me to do about the milo case he made last night. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 16 2015 20:31 GMT
#2320
On June 04 2015 14:18 scott31337 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 04 2015 09:39 Tictock wrote: Ok, took me longer to get back to this game than I thought thanks to a rough day at work, bit disappointing that there has only been ~4 new pages in the thread though, activity seemed better right at the start. Couple of things that I wanted to respond to right away, before I reread the thread and start putting together more solid reads for EoD. On June 04 2015 00:35 GGTeMpLaR wrote: On June 03 2015 16:19 Tictock wrote: Was just checking in before bed, game has been somewhat dead past few hours, so I'll just leave a few of my thoughts. GG is my top scum right now. No questions. Was expecting him to at least react to my response or something... I'm unsure of Damdred, though he's earning town points in my book for reacting the same way I did to GG. I'd really like to hear from Onegu and def need to see more out of Scott. I hate to say it but scott could be scum atm. I've seen him lynched D1 twice now, when he was town he was active until he got tunneled and when he was scum he posted very much like he's doing this game. Quick little reads and short response posts. Also half his posts atm are just stating facts, nothing game relevant. Milo does look kinda scummy but I'm not sure yet, I'd like to see more out of him. Right now I cant tell if he is actually scum or if he just looks out of place because he isn't used to this style of mafia. His frustration over being insta-scummed by several people is understandable, especially being new here. Could you restate your response please? GG, dude, it's D1 and your already asking me to repost/restate stuff I've said? It's not a long thread to read yet, and my filter is def not that long... Besides, shouldn't you be paying attn to my posts more than anyone's if your scum reading me? On June 04 2015 04:45 scott31337 wrote: On June 03 2015 09:50 GGTeMpLaR wrote: On June 03 2015 06:05 sicklucker wrote: ##Vote Tictock I feel morally ok policy voting in non newbie games untill he proves hes town My gut tells me the specific diction you chose with regards to being 'morally' okay with it inclines me to believe you are townie. On June 03 2015 06:17 Tictock wrote: In regards to kicks question. I am pretty new to TL forums. Have played in 2 of the newbie games (the 2 most recent ones, including the ongoing one). I see a few familiar names, but most of you I don't know... and am HIGHLY suspicious of... And of course I know SL, who I may have to ignore. I apologize in advance if I start tunneling him, I have a tendency to do that. I think your intentional emphasis on the fact that you are 'HIGHLY' suspicious of people is scum-indicative. You are making sure we all know you are 'suspicious' of people, aka have imperfect information aka are town. A very roundabout and subtle way to go about telling people you are town. I think this is an excellent policy vote. ##Vote Tictock He never actually voted in the voting thread, but this looks like a Chezinu rule vote to me - A misguided understanding of a fairly new guy - when town would be afraid to vote so early but scum wants to start a easy ML. @Scott, I'm not familiar with the bolded term, mind elaborating? I agree that this completely looks like a scum play to me. He's mimiking a vote already on me, his reasons for voting me aren't bad per say but they are far from solid. GG dropped into the game and just made that read without trying to interact with me and ignored my response to him + Show Spoiler + and I have to assume any of my other posts, I'm active enough that you should be able to expand on that read on me by now ##Vote: GGTeMpLaR The Chezinu Rule has always been true in teamliquid. I've used this rule many times and it has never failed me. Of course, this is my first time playing forum mafia outside of teamliquid. I'm quite renowned there and I expected to be taken strange here with my unique play style. If you are town, please read up on the Chezinu Rule on teamliquid. What is the rule? The rule is that the first person who doesn't know Chezinu to vote Chezinu is mafia. Why the rule works? I have a very unique playing style that I can't help. I tried many times over the years to play like everyone else, but it just fails. So what happens is in the beginning of each game with new players, they find me strange. Since they can't read me, they accuse me. But MAFIA has always been the first to accuse as a townie wouldn't have as much confidence. To mafia, I am an easy target. It was not exactly the Chezinu rule, but on the same idea. A confusing/cryptic town Chezinu is voted as an easy target. I see GG's vote on a easy target and the first one. Show nested quote + On June 04 2015 10:57 Kickstart wrote: Took a nap cause I was feeling like shit and moody, probably came through in my posting. Lots of people have taken issue with my Nydus town read. I just want to say again that it was hastily done and I just said it off the top of my head because people were pressuring me to give more town reads (which again I don't find fair since I gave them, but people are greedy and wanted more and I reacted badly). It can be ignored and I have tried to explain why it happened, I will have to reevaluate him later but like I said I would probably not lynch him at the moment. I saw you as a slight town read when most of the people are reading you scummy, but I did not need to defend myself for it. I was seeing you in a different point of view then others (you've brought up some good points, do not seem to be afraid to post, etc.) This post seems pressured to me though. Show nested quote + On June 04 2015 11:23 Kickstart wrote: On June 04 2015 11:17 Chocolate wrote: On June 04 2015 10:57 Kickstart wrote: Took a nap cause I was feeling like shit and moody, probably came through in my posting. Lots of people have taken issue with my Nydus town read. I just want to say again that it was hastily done and I just said it off the top of my head because people were pressuring me to give more town reads (which again I don't find fair since I gave them, but people are greedy and wanted more and I reacted badly). It can be ignored and I have tried to explain why it happened, I will have to reevaluate him later but like I said I would probably not lynch him at the moment. this post is scummy as hell and just screams to me that you're just trying to survive If that is what you think then fine, I messed up and admitted it and can't change it now. I did retract it almost immediately though. You sure you not just looking for something to jump on? I'm far from just trying to survive. Can't help but feel you and others have this convenient manufactured surprise and outrage at me. Well you already got called out on it. How do you feel about Chocolate? I wasn't liking him too much until he also saw how bad this post was. Show nested quote + On June 04 2015 11:58 Chocolate wrote: On June 04 2015 11:32 Tictock wrote: Ok last thing I was wanting to reread and look at for now. This whole VE, Chocolate, and Milo thing. VE struck me as town pretty easily, prob something I need to recheck but I'm prob going to go with it today. Not sure I like how tunneled he seems to be. He made one post which looked like he was willing to drop it, but now he seems to be right back on Chocolate like he's peanut butter or something... + Show Spoiler + Sorry, that was weak. I'll stop trying to be funny... As for choclate himself, he''s kinda just OMGUS right back at VE. Milo isn't going this route, but he is clearly frustrated by the whole thing... My personal opinion is that that all 3 are probably town here and are just over reacting to a rather stupid "he's afk" comment. I don't expect anything fruitful to come from this interaction. This post in Chocolate's filter caught my eye though... On June 03 2015 10:41 Chocolate wrote: I don't play forum mafia very much but I don't like the idea of having town reads. To me that seems somewhat counter-productive since at this point any player could be town. It's easy for a scum player to post in a "town-friendly" way (which is I think a reiteration of the "tryhard" vibe). I believe it would be much more productive for people to look for scum reads than to try to identify people as town @ VE do you have any opinions about people other than me and milo At first that sounds reasonable, but then I have to stop and think. Isn't it just as easy, or beneficial, for Mafia to be putting a lot of scum onto people? Also for someone who is putting alot of emphasis on scum reads being important I can't help but look at his list of people he'd like to lynch. On June 03 2015 23:30 Chocolate wrote: Scott VE Onegu GG I would pick Scott as my #1 2 people who were not very present in the game, VE, and GG. I can't find a read on GG from Choco in his filter at all, so really VE is his only real read here. That doesn't seem like very decent scum reads to me from a guy who is stressing their importance. @ Choco I see your more active atm. Care to update us on your scum reads? VE for previously stated reasons, it isn't purely an OMGUS though of course that is probably it to a large extent KS I'm beginning to think is a bit fishier but it's a small hunch I have a very hard time reading damdred , you, and ritoky. Admittedly I kinda have a hard time reading the newer players too (because I subconsciously associate posts with icons lol) but tomorrow I'm going to go through them all again Onegu has pretty much been a shitposter so far which I don't like and don't think is good for town As for not liking town reads, for me it's because anyone I don't think is scum I am leaning towards null or town on (in which case I wouldn't want to lynch them). It can also restrict thinking - we need to, and do, change who we think may be scum somewhat frequently. With town, since calling a given poster town is usually held to less scrutiny, we can let that label linger and it can affect our reads [to everyone] Don't be offended if I call you or something you did scummy especially on the first day. There's very little to work on and since I don't think calling people town is productive I don't make a lot of friends I see this as Onegu's town game. He tries much harder as mafia and likes rolling mafia - but we can agree to disagree for now. He'll show some more when he feels the need. GG still has not impressed me. SL may sincerely be unmotivated due to the other game, but he really needs to kick it up. Chocolate had the same idea as me while I was reading the thread, which I like. He moves up a little now. I like Damdred, Ritoky, VE Onegu is a meta read slight town Would lynch GG Fidei86 ##Vote: GGTemplar This is the post - I hard townread him based on this post becase of A) the way he explains his thought process and B) the fact that his townreads aligned with mine at the time. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 16 2015 20:41 GMT
#2321
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 16 2015 20:53 GMT
#2331
On June 17 2015 05:49 scott31337 wrote: Oh I see. Show nested quote + On June 13 2015 08:33 Tictock wrote: On June 13 2015 06:20 scott31337 wrote: VE is the one I'm most in doubt of. But the other two I'm pretty confident of now - TT should be dead and he's not. After the three mislynches he went after me ![]() I've always had mixed emotions about yourself. Sure I went after you. Has nothing to do with me trying to follow Onegu's thinking about Damdred. Reading Damdred's filter and coming to my own conclusion that he is town. Also has nothing to do with how you claimed you want to sheep me after I made these two posts. Which since you now bring up that I was on multiple (2 btw) mislynches seems like an odd thing to want to do. Unless it was an attempt to pocket me. I has been reading Onegu as town most of this game as well as made a case on Damdred early on when he irked me after EoD. You prob figured I'd fall in line and lynch him next. Also this post, where you are almost conditionally voting based on the night kill... wth was that? You say we should dismiss those posts kus you were messing around while drinking... sounds to me more like your trying to cover up your drunken slips since you felt like you had this game won. I'm gunna have to find some of those fabled Town Rainbows in your filter for me to reconsider my vote. There's nothing I can say I have not already about my drunken fail post I have not already, I was frustrated at the game at the time. A regret that won't happen in the future. I'm asking you to dismiss them, but not make the wagon on me D4 off of one post. Oh, the wagon boils down to ONE POST does it? | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 16 2015 20:58 GMT
#2337
On June 17 2015 05:57 scott31337 wrote: That videos for you VE, BTW. Thx pal. Like, I didn't think you WOULD be mad at me - I feel like my suspicion has been well voiced and justified - but it's good to know that if I'm wrong, there's no hard feelings. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 16 2015 21:14 GMT
#2359
GG guys. Thx Hosts for hosties. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 17 2015 15:41 GMT
#2403
I thought about it last night and objectively it seems obvious that since I was left alive, I should have wondered why. My bad town. I failed you. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 17 2015 19:14 GMT
#2408
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 17 2015 22:41 GMT
#2411
On June 18 2015 07:15 Fidei86 wrote: VE - no worries. It's tough being the only one left stuck in between two warring factions. Just remember for next time - ALWAYS LYNCH TICKTOCK :-) My "Always Lynch" card is full though... | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
June 19 2015 13:59 GMT
#2419
On June 19 2015 18:39 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On June 18 2015 04:04 scott31337 wrote: TT you kind of want to play your town game - but if it's too townie, yes you'll run into the "why am I still alive" category - I could see over Shen (he was rocking it for a replacement for a day) but over Fidei? That's when people should get suspicious. This is pretty mythical. I've been high profile on this site for several years now and I've never been lynched as mafia because I was still alive, even though it gets mentioned a lot. If your biggest problem as mafia is "looking too towny", you're in a pretty sweet spot. ^ This was another of the reasons I was on Scott's ass - because he was chasing this "unicorn" of "you're still alive = mafia". Obviously it worked out this way, but from my experience the VAST majority of people who play this card end up being mafia themselves. ![]() | ||
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