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I really like arts early stuff.
First of all was our mindmeld moment on rsoul early. I also liked this because when he asked me about her alighnment he instantly had has own answer which makes me more likely think that he was asking the question to actually try discern my alignment not to just post stuff.
Second his push on trfel. At first he was fairly annoyed that no one except wave had commented on it which lines up with a townie who is trying to post less/spend less time on the game as he doesn't have the resources to direct people to his posts and actually make them comment on it.
Thirdly he admits to the weak reasons for lynching BH which were that he didn't really know about his alignment but he was reading most other people as town and with BH playing as he did he would probably lynch him eventually. I am fairly certain this is basically the reason most of us lynched him yet people seem to forget that and see it as scummy looking back on it. Also even when the lynch was all but decided art was looking through BH's filter and producing posts like the one below which show even at that time he was trying to work out BH's allighnment.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 23 2015 08:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 08:13 rsoultin wrote:meh >< i kinda hate this cause people asking me about tone/meta reads is not something i'm good at explaining. i kept yelling at people to lynch rayn in guardians but my explanation wasn't good enough for anyone xP naturally he was scum nnnnnn so when i think of town truffle i think of a truffle who is not afraid of how he looks - silly votes on artie and unvoting to become the hammer vote on bh when i think of town truffle, i think of a truffle whose reads tend to change a lot until he starts tunneling - the read progressions on you and yamato that you both found "odd"...example of tunneling would be tere >< when i think of town truffle, i think of a sarcastic twit lol >< - this is where i started townreading him: On April 22 2015 05:48 Trfel wrote:On April 22 2015 05:46 rsoultin wrote:On April 22 2015 05:41 Trfel wrote:On April 22 2015 05:37 rsoultin wrote:On April 22 2015 05:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yeah jsut fucking do it already.
Every single game. Literally EVERY game I start i contribute in every possible way I can and people call me scum for it. It's so goddamn silly.
Like...fucking meta but show me one game where i don't complain.
ANY GAME.
when i call you scum, wave, you'll know it -flicks- talk to me about the truffle post. you're the one who wanted to talk about things I'll talk to you about the truffle post if you want! I thought that it was a really well-constructed post. Especially the part about why WaveofShadow is town, lol >< the part about he'd know if he was looking at his scum QT and he definitely would check his scum QT and his scum partner definitely wouldn't be inactive? xP oh yes, it was amazing, truffle -golf claps- Oh, why thank you! I always knew I was amazing, but now I know why! In all seriousness, what do you make of Blazinghand so far? when i think of a town truffle, i think of a devil's advocate, much like breshke - there are several instances where he argued the opposite point of view as a possibility, if not necessarily what he himself believed ^ that is what makes up my read on a town truffle, and i don't know how to make that helpful to the rest of the thread. i've been very successful with it Need to think this over, but since the only choice is between no lynching and lynching BH for today that can wait for a sec. There's this sequence of posts of BH where he complains about people calling his case a narrative, then follows it up by asking what a "narrative" is. He does put it under quotations suggesting he meant the way we use the word, but I still find it odd he refers to it as something where he knows what it is first, then suddenly doesn't know. + Show Spoiler [posts] +On April 23 2015 00:07 Blazinghand wrote:
Complain about context or narratives all you want, Damdred has never shown a shred of town motivation or logic yo his read progression. If my truth is too much for you then lynch me and behold the spectacle of your incompetence. I suppose the time when one could only be available for five hours per day have passed, even though I have possibly written and thought about this game more than everyone else. I will not bow to your disgusting threats. I will not be coerced into becoming something worse for your twisted ideals.
If I'm alive when I get home I'll save us all. Otherwise, should I die for your ignorance, I will view the departure with as much relief as disgust. On April 23 2015 00:27 Blazinghand wrote:
what's a "narrative"
wtf
it's a post by post analysis, of course it's "narrative", I'm literally narrating what the dude did, how is that even an objection to it. that's like saying "it's a case" therefore it's bad
He also townreads rso for similar reasons that he at one point townread trfel for which is fluidity of his reads. While it isn't a shining beacon of towniness it does kind of show to me that he has a consistency in his reads that i think is easier to achieve as town than as scum.
I also think arts scumread of palmar is very insightful especially given the fact that wave has flipped scum. The two inital posts are in the spoiler below.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 27 2015 07:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2015 07:00 Trfel wrote:On April 27 2015 06:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 27 2015 06:38 Trfel wrote:On April 27 2015 06:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 27 2015 06:23 Trfel wrote:
Artanis, can you please briefly summarize all of the reasons for your scumread on me? Examples aren't necessary.
Thanks! 1) Tonally very different from your towngame; much more certain in reads until I pinged it out 2) Could not follow your read progression on me. Pointed it out before which you never addressed. 3) Handing out a lot of townreads in general for pretty sketchy reasoning. Those are my main reasons. As for my tone itself, I can't address. For read certainty, the reads you comment on here being more certain are my townreads. I haven't really had a solid scumread all game long. I don't understand why you have problems with my read progression on you. Most of the posts that you cite were while I was in discussion with people, so we were looking at things and posting our thoughts. My thoughts on you weren't complete, I posted after basically every new (notable) thing that I found, or that someone else pointed out. My read on you changed as I got more information. As for you getting a townread from me easier than before, it's because I held you to standards that are too high last game, and I (hopefully) corrected that error. If you expect me to not rethink my reads when given new information... it's just a sign of lazy play. As for the reasoning behind my townreads, I guess you're right about this. I have most likely townread someone incorrectly, as per this response to your earlier question: On April 25 2015 08:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 25 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:
Sorry, I'm not going to be around for the deadline.
I'm fairly confident that at least one of my townreads is mafia, I'll take another look at them soon. What makes you say this? My track record, plus I have too many townreads. I guess this has generally felt like a low-content game, and I'm having trouble finding mafia, so I resorted to being more liberal with townreads, which probably wasn't the best idea. Regarding the read progression, I'm all fine and dandy with that but you never really address it in your posts what made you change. I feel that as town (in the past at least) you often state exactly what changed your mind when it does, and I've missed that this game. Last time, you mentioned you were much more confident in Yamato being scum than me. Recently, you've mentioned that you don't think Yamato is scum anymore. Am I currently your top scumread or where are you at? Hm, I did explain exactly what caused my read to change each time. But I pointed out that you didn't. You gave two reasons to townread me, then proceeded to say I was null for things you had noticed and pointed out before. + Show Spoiler [Initial case] +On April 23 2015 07:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 07:26 rsoultin wrote:On April 23 2015 07:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Can anyone concisely explain why they're suspicious of me other than not posting as much which I've already mentioned I would pregame and have done in the last game I've played as well (and flipped town in but is ongoing so shh)? your contributions don't impress me ^^ what's more valuable is you doing the work you'd said you'd do on truffle so i can get a better read on you i don't care if you're posting less. that's whatever. what i do expect, though, if you've decided to post less is higher quality posting The posting less is a consequence of spending less time on the game, which is what the real reason for posting less is for me. Creating quality posts costs time too, therefore it seems unreasonable to expect consistent high quality posts as it'd still require a lot of time. I feel the observations I've had have been decent so far, though. Reading Trfel, I don't understand his read progression on me at all. He had me as scummy leaning for my comment on waiting for Palmar/BH (which I feel is a dumb reason, but ok), then town for the way I replied to it, then said this about me: Show nested quote +Artanis is probably town, though I haven't carefully read the section of the thread in which he was posting. His questions are not only motivated at making reads, but also increasing the thread motivation. While he could do this as scum, I don't think it's terribly likely. In addition to the way that he responded to my pressure on him (previously described), I feel that Artanis is likely town. So at this point he feels I'm likely town. Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 06:12 Trfel wrote:On April 23 2015 06:05 rsoultin wrote:
talk to me about artie and damdy -flops on- or about part of my list you disagree with
artie just seems...i dunnae, like people keep saying he's doing stuff but off the top of my head i can't really recall what aside from being charitable about my negative toneread on his entrance vote xP Yeah, in retrospect, Artanis hasn't been doing as much as I thought. What he has been doing, though, has been in the right direction. I'm not sure how much of this is due to his post count restriction, and how much of it is due to my annoying him yesterday.Damdred's tone looks really good for him here. And while some of the things he is doing seem strange, I don't see the mafia motivation, and he has seemingly tried to get more information into the thread. I don't think that he is scum. Weakening off his townread on me a little, but still maintains that what I'm doing is in the right direction. Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 06:24 Trfel wrote:On April 23 2015 06:15 rsoultin wrote:On April 23 2015 06:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
He scum read Trfel.
And actually as I recall that read is mostly based on meta and contrary to your read soniv kind of interested to see how that plays out.
Also don't quite get that yamato read Trfel. well, that's easy, wave lol >< i'm right the really question is whether or not it's reasonable for artie to be wrong about truffle and still town  (truffle is a super easy read imo) meh guess i should actually read artanis' filter :/ I think that Artanis's scumread of me actually looks good for him. He makes a good point, and that's the sort of read that I expect from him. Would he do that as mafia? Not sure, but I think that he knows that he won't mislynch me this game (or at least, he will need much more evidence first). I'm still leaning town on Artanis, though is absence is concerning me. Does he agree with the Blazinghand wagon? If not, he should be here and trying to stop it. At the time of his last post, there were four votes on Blazinghand. If anything looks suspicious, that is it. He doesn't care if Blazinghand is lynched or not. So he was leaning town on me, then finds another reason to lean town on me (scumreading him). Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 06:30 Trfel wrote:
I take it back, I just have terrible reading comprehension.
Artanis did comment on Blazinghand, first not convinced that he was scum due to his case, and then felt that it was an okay lynch due to the followup. Maybe I need to get my eyes checked.
It isn't a very large or amazing amount of information on Blazinghand, but I suppose I can see it from the perspective who sees an okay lynch, but also sees everyone ignoring what is (in his opinion) a better lynch. Aaand another reason to townread me. So that's two more reasons to townread me after leaning town on me earlier. Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 06:40 Trfel wrote:On April 23 2015 06:34 rsoultin wrote:On April 23 2015 00:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 22 2015 21:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
That's your ironclad reasoning palmar? Calling me scum for shit I've already explained in thread and saying 'I don't know what yamato is doing?'
Gj
Artanis any thoughts on BH at all? Did you read what I wrote? I don't like his unwillingness to comment on other things. I don't like his case on Damdred particularly either. As has been said, it's a narrative. Seems like a good chance to flip scum. I need to do some more work on Trfel and flesh my read on him out but I have to leave for theater in a sec. Will get something done later tonight. Kinda annoyed no one's commented on him since I called him scummy but you though. mmm or maybe just benching the read for later? okay i guess i can give artie some space to see what comes of this It seemed to me that Artanis would be back later to finish his read on me. Artanis is sort of null, I suppose, given both his semi-weak stance on Blazinghand and not having the thread leadership that I thought he did at a glance.I expect scum to be among Artanis, yamato77, and maybe Breshke, even though I can't demonstrate that any of them are clear scum yet. What happened? I don't understand this progression at all. On another note, I think I might also want to lynch Palmar for voting for Yamato when Wave was his top suspect, and he suspected Yamato for the way he treated Wave's case rather than going after Wave himself. He also never really re-evaled Wave. Palmar's tone is always pretty confident these days I find, so I don't want to clear him for that in retrospect. Also a case of other people being townier. On April 27 2015 07:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Basically, what's weird to me about Palmar is how Wave is his prime suspect, yet he never really goes to full lengths to get him lynched or research him, but rather just goes after Yamato when thread sentiment is turning against Yamato making him an easier mislynch (presuming Yamato is town). It doesn't seem like he's all that concerned about getting Wave lynched. His vote on him is completely meaningless too with no thread support and him not trying at all to get people on board the Wave train. He's never added anything to his initial case.
Not everything was great though and there were a few things i disliked
Firstly there was his first unvote of palmar
On April 25 2015 19:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
##Unvote
Palmar reacted pretty much exactly how I'd expect Town!Palmar to reply. Uncompromising and in your face whilst still doing stuff.
Need to think about Yamato.
This seemed odly timed as yes artanis had been pressuring him but palmar has responded to all his pressure and was then interacting with others while art commented on other stuff and then this post came many hours later. It feels like it was kind of out of the blue since it was not right after the pressure that this was posted but many hours later.
Another problem was this post here specifically the bolded.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 27 2015 06:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2015 06:38 Trfel wrote:On April 27 2015 06:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 27 2015 06:23 Trfel wrote:
Artanis, can you please briefly summarize all of the reasons for your scumread on me? Examples aren't necessary.
Thanks! 1) Tonally very different from your towngame; much more certain in reads until I pinged it out 2) Could not follow your read progression on me. Pointed it out before which you never addressed. 3) Handing out a lot of townreads in general for pretty sketchy reasoning. Those are my main reasons. As for my tone itself, I can't address. For read certainty, the reads you comment on here being more certain are my townreads. I haven't really had a solid scumread all game long. I don't understand why you have problems with my read progression on you. Most of the posts that you cite were while I was in discussion with people, so we were looking at things and posting our thoughts. My thoughts on you weren't complete, I posted after basically every new (notable) thing that I found, or that someone else pointed out. My read on you changed as I got more information. As for you getting a townread from me easier than before, it's because I held you to standards that are too high last game, and I (hopefully) corrected that error. If you expect me to not rethink my reads when given new information... it's just a sign of lazy play. As for the reasoning behind my townreads, I guess you're right about this. I have most likely townread someone incorrectly, as per this response to your earlier question: On April 25 2015 08:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 25 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:
Sorry, I'm not going to be around for the deadline.
I'm fairly confident that at least one of my townreads is mafia, I'll take another look at them soon. What makes you say this? My track record, plus I have too many townreads. I guess this has generally felt like a low-content game, and I'm having trouble finding mafia, so I resorted to being more liberal with townreads, which probably wasn't the best idea. Regarding the read progression, I'm all fine and dandy with that but you never really address it in your posts what made you change. I feel that as town (in the past at least) you often state exactly what changed your mind when it does, and I've missed that this game.Last time, you mentioned you were much more confident in Yamato being scum than me. Recently, you've mentioned that you don't think Yamato is scum anymore. Am I currently your top scumread or where are you at?
He is saying that he scumreads trfel because he does not say what made him change his mind yet ealier in response to one of my questions artanis said that he townread trfel for fluidity in his reads even though he did not understand he he reached thos conclusions. These two statements seem to contradict each other.
CONCLUSION I think artanis is town even though I have some problems with his play I think the palmar thing is negligeable since he picks the scum read back up later for legit reasons and weighing the inconsistency in his trfel read with all the reasons I have to town read him I find myself fairly confident that he is town
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@Breshke The reason why my unvote was later was because I wanted to wait to see if anyone else wanted to do anything with Palmar. Though I thought he responded exactly as I expected a Town Palmar would do, I wasn't 100% convinced on him and was hoping someone else would try and pressure him a bit. When that didn't happen, I aborted.
I explained the Trfel thing. If you don't like it that's ok I guess.
Also, I feel you're missing one important piece in that I had the option to lynch Yamato over Wave but didn't. You could argue that I could do this as scum to gain cred, but Rsoultin basically gave me a free out saying it doesn't really matter whom we lynch between Yama/Bresh/Wave and that she'd follow me. I had also positioned myself in a way that'd make switching to Yamato very credible, but didn't. I do wonder why you didn't consider this in your analysis.
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On April 30 2015 21:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
@Breshke The reason why my unvote was later was because I wanted to wait to see if anyone else wanted to do anything with Palmar. Though I thought he responded exactly as I expected a Town Palmar would do, I wasn't 100% convinced on him and was hoping someone else would try and pressure him a bit. When that didn't happen, I aborted.
I explained the Trfel thing. If you don't like it that's ok I guess.
Also, I feel you're missing one important piece in that I had the option to lynch Yamato over Wave but didn't. You could argue that I could do this as scum to gain cred, but Rsoultin basically gave me a free out saying it doesn't really matter whom we lynch between Yama/Bresh/Wave and that she'd follow me. I had also positioned myself in a way that'd make switching to Yamato very credible, but didn't. I do wonder why you didn't consider this in your analysis.
Palmar thing makes sence as i already said it wasn't really concerning me anyway.
The trrfel thing i get your explanation kinda I just feel like there is still a bit of a contradiction.
This last bit I didn't really include much from the later stage in the game asthere was a few posts in this part were about me and I feel i have nothing useful to say about those posts . IDK why I didn't consider this part of your play but I just didn't really look to much into that part as it giot weird for me idk? Was probs a mistake
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o.0
breeeesh i was just about to say you were looking better today and drop my vote on palmar
##vote Palmar
which i think i'm gonna do anyway, unless there's a good reason i won't be home by deadline, but
lol wth is that last bit? ><
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I don't think I'll be there at deadline and I'm gonna be gone for a large section of the day so I prefer to lynch tomorrow. Breshke, I'd like you to comment on people you actually think are/could be scum though. I also am not really impressed with your analysis on me. It feels like you're trying to instill some doubt in there so you could backtrack if thread sentiment changes even though you don't really have any reason to do so, and it feels a bit like you're just going through the motions.
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On April 30 2015 22:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I don't think I'll be there at deadline and I'm gonna be gone for a large section of the day so I prefer to lynch tomorrow. Breshke, I'd like you to comment on people you actually think are/could be scum though. I also am not really impressed with your analysis on me. It feels like you're trying to instill some doubt in there so you could backtrack if thread sentiment changes even though you don't really have any reason to do so, and it feels a bit like you're just going through the motions.
Let me be clear all the things i didnt like are engligable. I wont be lynching you this cycle
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Ill also be looking at more people but like one person at a time and not tonight
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On April 30 2015 21:58 rsoultin wrote:
o.0
breeeesh i was just about to say you were looking better today and drop my vote on palmar
##vote Palmar
which i think i'm gonna do anyway, unless there's a good reason i won't be home by deadline, but
lol wth is that last bit? ><
I hope you're mafia because I don't want to live in a world where you're so terrible.
But you probably are. Artanis is mafia because he's the only person here who isn't dumb enough to actually think this day is going as it should.
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And no. We're lynching tonight. I'm not gonna wait around and watch this train wreck happen. I want it now.
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On April 30 2015 22:07 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 21:58 rsoultin wrote:
o.0
breeeesh i was just about to say you were looking better today and drop my vote on palmar
##vote Palmar
which i think i'm gonna do anyway, unless there's a good reason i won't be home by deadline, but
lol wth is that last bit? >< I hope you're mafia because I don't want to live in a world where you're so terrible. But you probably are. Artanis is mafia because he's the only person here who isn't dumb enough to actually think this day is going as it should.
The day isn't going as it should because [no reason], so we should end it early [because no good reason].
That makes perfect sense. Thanks, Palmar.
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have to agree with art o.0 that makes no sense palmar
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On April 30 2015 22:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 22:07 Palmar wrote:On April 30 2015 21:58 rsoultin wrote:
o.0
breeeesh i was just about to say you were looking better today and drop my vote on palmar
##vote Palmar
which i think i'm gonna do anyway, unless there's a good reason i won't be home by deadline, but
lol wth is that last bit? >< I hope you're mafia because I don't want to live in a world where you're so terrible. But you probably are. Artanis is mafia because he's the only person here who isn't dumb enough to actually think this day is going as it should. The day isn't going as it should because [no reason], so we should end it early [because no good reason]. That makes perfect sense. Thanks, Palmar.
No problem. Take it as a compliment.
I don't think you're this awful as town.
On April 22 2015 19:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Wave commented on all the people that voted for him. I don't see anything wrong with that.
As for the Breshke vote thing, it's odd but not really scummy at all. He could've gone any which way on Breshke and make up any reason once he found that out. Why would he have a change of heart and go from scumreading to townreading Breshke as mafia?
I even mentioned at the time that you were being a complete pleb by just considering things on the surface instead of actually buying into the rock fucking solid case I presented on WoS
On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me. Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens: Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 11:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 21 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 10:44 Damdred wrote:
Meh honestly I really hate how you guys throw around botes in this setup can really tell there haven't been enough iml games lately </3.
I can't speak for others but since the votecount only counts at the 24 hour mark I don't feel as hesitant as if it was a more standard IML setup. On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re Do you have any opinions on this post damdred? Extra scumpoints for being all concerned and shot over the only person in the game to scumread him. ##vote: BreshkeI'm back from Draft night and I'm super fucking pissed 'cause I misplayed in the absolute stupidest way possible, cost myself a match and 2 packs, so it's time to take it out on scum. Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh what the fuck?
WOw I missed that completely. That's really odd. EVery IML game I've played has actually been IML
gotta rethink Breshke then. Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy. Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe". However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke. Thus he is mafia.
On April 22 2015 23:28 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 21:18 Breshke wrote:
Palmar you are obviously ignoring the context though. From what I understand the thrid vote in IML can be seen as safe for scum as they vote on a misslynch but arnt the creator of the push nor one of the hammers. Therefore one could say that scum might join a wagon at this time to blend into town while still getting the misslynch they need. So while WoS said the vote was safe he ment it was safe way for scum to try and secure a misslynch.
Yes a third vote in this type of instant misslynch is even safer but in context it doesn't move towards scums goal of getting a misslynch as a push that early is not likely to be sustained over a 24 hour period. So yes while you are strictly right that the vote was infact safer it can't be seen as pushing for a misslynch as much.
I don't even care about the context. He did something because of X Then it turns out X was even more right than he initially thought So he retracts because of X This makes no logical sense, thus he must be mafia. To be precises. He retracted NOT because of this new information he had gained. He retracted BECAUSE HE WANTED TO RETRACT and used this new information as an excuse to do so.
Everyone ignored me because everyone is bad. No one actually reads cases anymore because the only way to get shit done is just to be louder than everyone else. The same fucking thing happened with my day 1 case on GB last game.
Of course I'm right, I'm not close to being the best player on TL, there's dozens of people better than me at this, but almost no one has the same ability to read day 1 and find conclusions from it. That's my primary skill in mafia.
Sure, i might be going full palmar and just spite lynching you for being terrible, but at least I feel okay about that. People should fucking listen when I take the time to write cases on day 1.
But don't mind me. It's clear that the guy who made a well supported insightful case on mafia day 1, then tunneled that thing throughout the entire game is mafia. You guys should definitely lynch me because there's no way I'm not as awful as all of yall who refused to vote WoS on day 1 so clearly I had TMI, because no one is actually not awful at mafia.
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On April 30 2015 22:13 rsoultin wrote:
have to agree with art o.0 that makes no sense palmar
I don't care.
I only have a limited tolerance for stupidity and I've seen too much of it lately.
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Artanis is mafia for hopping onto the WoS wagon, I think he even said that in part he liked something I had said and now he's trying to call me mafia because reasons.
Artanis is mafia for defending WoS when there was no reason to do so. I know half of you morons defended him too, but you're all dumb. Artanis is less dumb. Slightly.
Artanis is mafia for trying to pretend like he was some sort of a town hero that got WoS lynched. Saying Trfel and him were to thank for it.
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Being right doesn't mean those were the things that made him mafia. In the end, what made him mafia was that he was just commenting on things and didn't actually try to hunt for scum.
I'm pretty sure you don't actually think I'm mafia and you're just mad. Stop getting mad and figure out the game. I don't actually think you'd be this much of a dick as mafia so it's between Breshke and Yamato. I'm currently edging towards Breshke for really not thinking about the game critically and in his evaluation on me he didn't really come to a strong conclusion yet still ignored large parts of the game.
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lol
palmar, you've bussed teammates before, i don't think anyone's saying you're incapable of finding scum day 1 xP that would be ludicrous
i find it kinda difficult to believe the entirety of your scumread is based on you think artanis should have sheeped you though xP
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On April 30 2015 22:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Being right doesn't mean those were the things that made him mafia. In the end, what made him mafia was that he was just commenting on things and didn't actually try to hunt for scum.
I'm pretty sure you don't actually think I'm mafia and you're just mad. Stop getting mad and figure out the game. I don't actually think you'd be this much of a dick as mafia so it's between Breshke and Yamato. I'm currently edging towards Breshke for really not thinking about the game critically and in his evaluation on me he didn't really come to a strong conclusion yet still ignored large parts of the game.
No.
He was mafia because of the things I said.
I don't tunnel shit for 2 days unless I'm sure.
And I have enough of a track record for day 1 to be allowed to be fucking sure when I am.
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On April 30 2015 22:23 rsoultin wrote:
lol
palmar, you've bussed teammates before, i don't think anyone's saying you're incapable of finding scum day 1 xP that would be ludicrous
i find it kinda difficult to believe the entirety of your scumread is based on you think artanis should have sheeped you though xP
I'm lynching artanis for being worse than I expect him to be.
You are exactly as bad as I expect you to be, so you're probably town. Same with Broski and these other people.
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Like to me the only realistic option for an alternative to Artanis is Yamato because of the other case I made this game that is probably still valid. I was just less sure on yamato than WoS.
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