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On April 30 2015 21:58 rsoultin wrote:
o.0
breeeesh i was just about to say you were looking better today and drop my vote on palmar
##vote Palmar
which i think i'm gonna do anyway, unless there's a good reason i won't be home by deadline, but
lol wth is that last bit? ><
Rso im confused but for clarity in this post why did you think I was looking better today
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On April 30 2015 22:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 22:31 Palmar wrote:On April 30 2015 22:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 22:23 Palmar wrote:On April 30 2015 22:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Being right doesn't mean those were the things that made him mafia. In the end, what made him mafia was that he was just commenting on things and didn't actually try to hunt for scum.
I'm pretty sure you don't actually think I'm mafia and you're just mad. Stop getting mad and figure out the game. I don't actually think you'd be this much of a dick as mafia so it's between Breshke and Yamato. I'm currently edging towards Breshke for really not thinking about the game critically and in his evaluation on me he didn't really come to a strong conclusion yet still ignored large parts of the game. No. He was mafia because of the things I said. I don't tunnel shit for 2 days unless I'm sure. And I have enough of a track record for day 1 to be allowed to be fucking sure when I am. Lynch Toad I don't have a 100% hit rate in those things? What a shocker. The recent games I've seen of you, you haven't been particularly spectacular on D1. I believe in XXX you tried lynching Marv for a long time. In Hammertime which I hosted, it was Toad. Compounded with the fact that you didn't really seem to be re-evaluating much during the day at all I don't put as much stock in your reads as you would like me to.
In XXX I tried to lynch JAT, who was mafia.
In hammertime I was wrong. I thought I was right and I was wrong.
In GoT I didn't play. I was wrong but I never pushed it because I had no idea if I was right or not.
In Mini I tried to lynch GB, who was mafia
In Down Under I tried to lynch Superbia (mafia), but the host done goofed
In Down Under reboot I didn't play. I tried to defend slam but had no real alternative
In Imperial I wanted to lynch geript and was wrong
In Horn I tried to lynch Damdred and JAT. One was mafia the other wasn't. I was sure on neither.
In Linux I tried to lynch SL (mafia) before sheeping Damdred onto Eden (mafia)
In PYP I tried to lync marv (mafia)
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On April 30 2015 22:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 22:33 Palmar wrote:On April 30 2015 22:32 rsoultin wrote:
i'm out btw
no palmar i'm not lynching today unless i have time before EoD to review everything
might i suggest you do a little more work than just who is meeting your expectations? xP No. I have a blueprint to win the game. And if you guys follow it, we win. step 1: lynch Artanis. step 2: lynch yamato Feel free to flip them around. How certain are you that Breshke is town and why?
It's some old as shit tone read.
Feel pretty okay about it.
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Like I should lynch yamato over Artanis here but the awful is just so strong in Artanis and I don't want to live in a world where he defends mafia against my stronk case without actually reading the case.
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On April 30 2015 22:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 22:20 Palmar wrote:
Artanis is mafia for hopping onto the WoS wagon, I think he even said that in part he liked something I had said and now he's trying to call me mafia because reasons.
Artanis is mafia for defending WoS when there was no reason to do so. I know half of you morons defended him too, but you're all dumb. Artanis is less dumb. Slightly.
Artanis is mafia for trying to pretend like he was some sort of a town hero that got WoS lynched. Saying Trfel and him were to thank for it.
First: Being right does not make you town. I felt you were pushing Wave all day without being articulate in the reasons why. Your first case wasn't particularly good, and you easily jumped onto Yamato when that train rolled along.
Ah I see what I did wrong.
Next game I'll do this instead.
On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me. Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens: Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 11:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 21 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 10:44 Damdred wrote:
Meh honestly I really hate how you guys throw around botes in this setup can really tell there haven't been enough iml games lately </3.
I can't speak for others but since the votecount only counts at the 24 hour mark I don't feel as hesitant as if it was a more standard IML setup. On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re Do you have any opinions on this post damdred? Extra scumpoints for being all concerned and shot over the only person in the game to scumread him. ##vote: BreshkeI'm back from Draft night and I'm super fucking pissed 'cause I misplayed in the absolute stupidest way possible, cost myself a match and 2 packs, so it's time to take it out on scum. Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh what the fuck?
WOw I missed that completely. That's really odd. EVery IML game I've played has actually been IML
gotta rethink Breshke then. Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy. Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe". However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke. Thus he is mafia.
On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me. Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens: Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 11:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 21 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 10:44 Damdred wrote:
Meh honestly I really hate how you guys throw around botes in this setup can really tell there haven't been enough iml games lately </3.
I can't speak for others but since the votecount only counts at the 24 hour mark I don't feel as hesitant as if it was a more standard IML setup. On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re Do you have any opinions on this post damdred? Extra scumpoints for being all concerned and shot over the only person in the game to scumread him. ##vote: BreshkeI'm back from Draft night and I'm super fucking pissed 'cause I misplayed in the absolute stupidest way possible, cost myself a match and 2 packs, so it's time to take it out on scum. Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh what the fuck?
WOw I missed that completely. That's really odd. EVery IML game I've played has actually been IML
gotta rethink Breshke then. Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy. Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe". However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke. Thus he is mafia.
On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me. Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens: Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 11:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 21 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 10:44 Damdred wrote:
Meh honestly I really hate how you guys throw around botes in this setup can really tell there haven't been enough iml games lately </3.
I can't speak for others but since the votecount only counts at the 24 hour mark I don't feel as hesitant as if it was a more standard IML setup. On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re Do you have any opinions on this post damdred? Extra scumpoints for being all concerned and shot over the only person in the game to scumread him. ##vote: BreshkeI'm back from Draft night and I'm super fucking pissed 'cause I misplayed in the absolute stupidest way possible, cost myself a match and 2 packs, so it's time to take it out on scum. Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh what the fuck?
WOw I missed that completely. That's really odd. EVery IML game I've played has actually been IML
gotta rethink Breshke then. Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy. Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe". However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke. Thus he is mafia.
On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me. Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens: Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 11:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 21 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 10:44 Damdred wrote:
Meh honestly I really hate how you guys throw around botes in this setup can really tell there haven't been enough iml games lately </3.
I can't speak for others but since the votecount only counts at the 24 hour mark I don't feel as hesitant as if it was a more standard IML setup. On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re Do you have any opinions on this post damdred? Extra scumpoints for being all concerned and shot over the only person in the game to scumread him. ##vote: BreshkeI'm back from Draft night and I'm super fucking pissed 'cause I misplayed in the absolute stupidest way possible, cost myself a match and 2 packs, so it's time to take it out on scum. Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh what the fuck?
WOw I missed that completely. That's really odd. EVery IML game I've played has actually been IML
gotta rethink Breshke then. Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy. Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe". However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke. Thus he is mafia.
On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me. Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens: Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 11:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 21 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 10:44 Damdred wrote:
Meh honestly I really hate how you guys throw around botes in this setup can really tell there haven't been enough iml games lately </3.
I can't speak for others but since the votecount only counts at the 24 hour mark I don't feel as hesitant as if it was a more standard IML setup. On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re Do you have any opinions on this post damdred? Extra scumpoints for being all concerned and shot over the only person in the game to scumread him. ##vote: BreshkeI'm back from Draft night and I'm super fucking pissed 'cause I misplayed in the absolute stupidest way possible, cost myself a match and 2 packs, so it's time to take it out on scum. Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh what the fuck?
WOw I missed that completely. That's really odd. EVery IML game I've played has actually been IML
gotta rethink Breshke then. Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy. Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe". However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke. Thus he is mafia.
On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me. Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens: Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 11:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 21 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 10:44 Damdred wrote:
Meh honestly I really hate how you guys throw around botes in this setup can really tell there haven't been enough iml games lately </3.
I can't speak for others but since the votecount only counts at the 24 hour mark I don't feel as hesitant as if it was a more standard IML setup. On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re Do you have any opinions on this post damdred? Extra scumpoints for being all concerned and shot over the only person in the game to scumread him. ##vote: BreshkeI'm back from Draft night and I'm super fucking pissed 'cause I misplayed in the absolute stupidest way possible, cost myself a match and 2 packs, so it's time to take it out on scum. Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh what the fuck?
WOw I missed that completely. That's really odd. EVery IML game I've played has actually been IML
gotta rethink Breshke then. Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy. Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe". However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke. Thus he is mafia.
On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me. Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens: Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 11:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 21 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 10:44 Damdred wrote:
Meh honestly I really hate how you guys throw around botes in this setup can really tell there haven't been enough iml games lately </3.
I can't speak for others but since the votecount only counts at the 24 hour mark I don't feel as hesitant as if it was a more standard IML setup. On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re Do you have any opinions on this post damdred? Extra scumpoints for being all concerned and shot over the only person in the game to scumread him. ##vote: BreshkeI'm back from Draft night and I'm super fucking pissed 'cause I misplayed in the absolute stupidest way possible, cost myself a match and 2 packs, so it's time to take it out on scum. Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh what the fuck?
WOw I missed that completely. That's really odd. EVery IML game I've played has actually been IML
gotta rethink Breshke then. Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy. Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe". However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke. Thus he is mafia.
On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me. Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens: Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 11:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 21 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 10:44 Damdred wrote:
Meh honestly I really hate how you guys throw around botes in this setup can really tell there haven't been enough iml games lately </3.
I can't speak for others but since the votecount only counts at the 24 hour mark I don't feel as hesitant as if it was a more standard IML setup. On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re Do you have any opinions on this post damdred? Extra scumpoints for being all concerned and shot over the only person in the game to scumread him. ##vote: BreshkeI'm back from Draft night and I'm super fucking pissed 'cause I misplayed in the absolute stupidest way possible, cost myself a match and 2 packs, so it's time to take it out on scum. Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh what the fuck?
WOw I missed that completely. That's really odd. EVery IML game I've played has actually been IML
gotta rethink Breshke then. Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy. Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe". However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke. Thus he is mafia.
On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me. Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens: Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 11:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 21 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 10:44 Damdred wrote:
Meh honestly I really hate how you guys throw around botes in this setup can really tell there haven't been enough iml games lately </3.
I can't speak for others but since the votecount only counts at the 24 hour mark I don't feel as hesitant as if it was a more standard IML setup. On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re Do you have any opinions on this post damdred? Extra scumpoints for being all concerned and shot over the only person in the game to scumread him. ##vote: BreshkeI'm back from Draft night and I'm super fucking pissed 'cause I misplayed in the absolute stupidest way possible, cost myself a match and 2 packs, so it's time to take it out on scum. Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh what the fuck?
WOw I missed that completely. That's really odd. EVery IML game I've played has actually been IML
gotta rethink Breshke then. Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy. Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe". However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke. Thus he is mafia.
On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me. Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens: Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 11:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 21 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 10:44 Damdred wrote:
Meh honestly I really hate how you guys throw around botes in this setup can really tell there haven't been enough iml games lately </3.
I can't speak for others but since the votecount only counts at the 24 hour mark I don't feel as hesitant as if it was a more standard IML setup. On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re Do you have any opinions on this post damdred? Extra scumpoints for being all concerned and shot over the only person in the game to scumread him. ##vote: BreshkeI'm back from Draft night and I'm super fucking pissed 'cause I misplayed in the absolute stupidest way possible, cost myself a match and 2 packs, so it's time to take it out on scum. Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh what the fuck?
WOw I missed that completely. That's really odd. EVery IML game I've played has actually been IML
gotta rethink Breshke then. Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy. Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe". However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke. Thus he is mafia.
On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me. Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens: Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 11:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 21 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 10:44 Damdred wrote:
Meh honestly I really hate how you guys throw around botes in this setup can really tell there haven't been enough iml games lately </3.
I can't speak for others but since the votecount only counts at the 24 hour mark I don't feel as hesitant as if it was a more standard IML setup. On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re Do you have any opinions on this post damdred? Extra scumpoints for being all concerned and shot over the only person in the game to scumread him. ##vote: BreshkeI'm back from Draft night and I'm super fucking pissed 'cause I misplayed in the absolute stupidest way possible, cost myself a match and 2 packs, so it's time to take it out on scum. Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh what the fuck?
WOw I missed that completely. That's really odd. EVery IML game I've played has actually been IML
gotta rethink Breshke then. Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy. Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe". However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke. Thus he is mafia.
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On April 30 2015 22:42 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 22:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 22:29 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 22:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Being right doesn't mean those were the things that made him mafia. In the end, what made him mafia was that he was just commenting on things and didn't actually try to hunt for scum.
I'm pretty sure you don't actually think I'm mafia and you're just mad. Stop getting mad and figure out the game. I don't actually think you'd be this much of a dick as mafia so it's between Breshke and Yamato. I'm currently edging towards Breshke for really not thinking about the game critically and in his evaluation on me he didn't really come to a strong conclusion yet still ignored large parts of the game. Ignore large parts of the game? I ignored you and trfel not switching to yamato? what else did i ignore? What do you think i didn't think about critically? Why does rsoultin start liking me for my recent posting and artanis starts disliking me. At least im meeting palmars expectations Basically you seemed to ignore everything that happened end of D2, start of D3. The whole Wave/Yamato thing. My alignment. Like I said, your conclusion was half-assed. "These things make him town but there's this one contradiction that makes me go eh but I think he's town enough that I don't want to lynch him this cycle". When you're this uncertain as town, one usually digs in a little bit more. So no that isn't most of the game. Also i don't think you look as amazing from not lynching yamato as you think you do. Why as scum could you not have that out to lynch yamato and not take it to make yourself look better. If yamato gets lynched and flips town most likely wave gets lynched the next day anyway its just wifom. How do you want me to dig in? The palmar stuff i found not important in context because you picked up the wagon later on. The trfel stuff was a contradiction yes and i still don't like it but why can't someone who is town do something that doesn't make sense to me.
Of course most of the game was an over exaggeration. The point was you didn't consider certain pretty vital aspects. As for Wave getting lynched next, I'd argue there was a good chance that you'd get lynched the day after with Rso going after your ass. There were three realistic lynches: Yamato, You, Wave. With Wave and my Presence and Palmar not really being heard and you townreading Wave it would've definitely been possible.
What I meant is that you didn't look at everything yet you weren't convinced one way or the other. I find it weird that you just stopped.
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I might filterdive myself later because that's probably the one filter worth reading. But for now I'm off.
I'm actually just going to go ahead and move my vote on yamato
##unvote
##vote yamato
No idea if it's the right call. this is just a self meta thing. I KNOW I might be trying to lynch artanis for disagreeing with me when I'm right, whereas yamato has other reasons that feel less like I'm just being mad that he didn't listen to me.
Although maybe that's kinda the case against him
Whatever.
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On April 30 2015 22:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 22:42 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 22:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 22:29 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 22:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Being right doesn't mean those were the things that made him mafia. In the end, what made him mafia was that he was just commenting on things and didn't actually try to hunt for scum.
I'm pretty sure you don't actually think I'm mafia and you're just mad. Stop getting mad and figure out the game. I don't actually think you'd be this much of a dick as mafia so it's between Breshke and Yamato. I'm currently edging towards Breshke for really not thinking about the game critically and in his evaluation on me he didn't really come to a strong conclusion yet still ignored large parts of the game. Ignore large parts of the game? I ignored you and trfel not switching to yamato? what else did i ignore? What do you think i didn't think about critically? Why does rsoultin start liking me for my recent posting and artanis starts disliking me. At least im meeting palmars expectations Basically you seemed to ignore everything that happened end of D2, start of D3. The whole Wave/Yamato thing. My alignment. Like I said, your conclusion was half-assed. "These things make him town but there's this one contradiction that makes me go eh but I think he's town enough that I don't want to lynch him this cycle". When you're this uncertain as town, one usually digs in a little bit more. So no that isn't most of the game. Also i don't think you look as amazing from not lynching yamato as you think you do. Why as scum could you not have that out to lynch yamato and not take it to make yourself look better. If yamato gets lynched and flips town most likely wave gets lynched the next day anyway its just wifom. How do you want me to dig in? The palmar stuff i found not important in context because you picked up the wagon later on. The trfel stuff was a contradiction yes and i still don't like it but why can't someone who is town do something that doesn't make sense to me. Of course most of the game was an over exaggeration. The point was you didn't consider certain pretty vital aspects. As for Wave getting lynched next, I'd argue there was a good chance that you'd get lynched the day after with Rso going after your ass. There were three realistic lynches: Yamato, You, Wave. With Wave and my Presence and Palmar not really being heard and you townreading Wave it would've definitely been possible. What I meant is that you didn't look at everything yet you weren't convinced one way or the other. I find it weird that you just stopped.
I was convinced though so your point is invalid.
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On April 24 2015 23:30 Palmar wrote:Oh that was easy. The mafia team is Wave/Yamato. Yammy hardly even acknowledged my case on WaveOfShadow, never really pushed the idea he might be scum and never cleared it either. here, take a look at all the suspicion yammy threw at wos. I'll bold some hard accusations of things that if we believe yamato believes in, should make him super suspicious of Wave. Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 11:43 yamato77 wrote:On April 21 2015 11:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
When was the last time we played an IML game together?
And anyway what the fuck does that even matter?
I am not reading you based on meta here, don't try and force it on me, especially when it's one of the most easily falsifiable things possible. And I should know. "I don't use meta" is a nice and convenient excuse to avoid giving a legitimate read on me at this stage in the game.Still, the fact remains, you said I could do this as mafia, what basis do you have to make that statement, exactly? Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 11:45 yamato77 wrote:On April 21 2015 11:37 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 21 2015 11:30 yamato77 wrote:
When have I done something like this as mafia, Wave? Like....why did you even feel the need to bring this up? Because it's a statement with no basis. "I could see Yamato doing this as either alignment" is tantamount to saying "I could see Yamato doing this as mafia." Why do you think that's the case, precisely, if you aren't using meta? Why mention me by name at all if you're just going to make some sort of puffball generalized statement?Very strange, Wave. Then Yamato made this post here: Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 06:13 yamato77 wrote:On April 22 2015 06:03 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 22 2015 05:37 rsoultin wrote:On April 22 2015 05:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yeah jsut fucking do it already.
Every single game. Literally EVERY game I start i contribute in every possible way I can and people call me scum for it. It's so goddamn silly.
Like...fucking meta but show me one game where i don't complain.
ANY GAME.
when i call you scum, wave, you'll know it -flicks- talk to me about the truffle post. you're the one who wanted to talk about things There's nothing else to say about it, it's one single post and I've already commented. It just passes me the fuck off that I'm attempting to create content at every juncture, providing reads/analysis and because of that I get singled out as scummy by almost everyone in the game, and this shit happens every game for me. I should just start lurking and doing nothing. It's a lesson I should have learned 2 years ago playing on this site. well, right now you're bitching when there are only 2 votes on you granted, you've been under pressure the whole game so far, but so what? If you're town you can deal with it and produce convincing reads. If you're mafia we just lynch you. Which seems to indicate he's still interested in lynching Wave, but what happens after that? Nothing. Look at this picture of yamato's filter where I'm looking for the word "wave" After all this suspicion he has NOTHING to follow up on it and idly parks his vote basically on artanis for what was a bullshit reason. Yamato is mafia. It's highly likely as per my case yesterday that WoS is too. I will support a lynch today on either of them and no one else. See you later it's weekend and I'm turning 30 
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Okay turns out my case on yamato is literally "he bad cause he didn't sheep me."
I'm so bad after day 1 at this thing.
Whatever. You guys figure it out.
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On April 30 2015 22:45 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 22:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 22:31 Palmar wrote:On April 30 2015 22:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 22:23 Palmar wrote:On April 30 2015 22:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Being right doesn't mean those were the things that made him mafia. In the end, what made him mafia was that he was just commenting on things and didn't actually try to hunt for scum.
I'm pretty sure you don't actually think I'm mafia and you're just mad. Stop getting mad and figure out the game. I don't actually think you'd be this much of a dick as mafia so it's between Breshke and Yamato. I'm currently edging towards Breshke for really not thinking about the game critically and in his evaluation on me he didn't really come to a strong conclusion yet still ignored large parts of the game. No. He was mafia because of the things I said. I don't tunnel shit for 2 days unless I'm sure. And I have enough of a track record for day 1 to be allowed to be fucking sure when I am. Lynch Toad I don't have a 100% hit rate in those things? What a shocker. The recent games I've seen of you, you haven't been particularly spectacular on D1. I believe in XXX you tried lynching Marv for a long time. In Hammertime which I hosted, it was Toad. Compounded with the fact that you didn't really seem to be re-evaluating much during the day at all I don't put as much stock in your reads as you would like me to. In XXX I tried to lynch JAT, who was mafia.In hammertime I was wrong. I thought I was right and I was wrong.In GoT I didn't play. I was wrong but I never pushed it because I had no idea if I was right or not. In Mini I tried to lynch GB, who was mafiaIn Down Under I tried to lynch Superbia (mafia), but the host done goofedIn Down Under reboot I didn't play. I tried to defend slam but had no real alternative In Imperial I wanted to lynch geript and was wrongIn Horn I tried to lynch Damdred and JAT. One was mafia the other wasn't. I was sure on neither. In Linux I tried to lynch SL (mafia) before sheeping Damdred onto Eden (mafia)In PYP I tried to lync marv (mafia)
That's all nice and dandy. Regardless, your push looked most like the one you made in Hammertime in that you mostly repeated Kill Wave.
On April 30 2015 22:46 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 22:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 22:33 Palmar wrote:On April 30 2015 22:32 rsoultin wrote:
i'm out btw
no palmar i'm not lynching today unless i have time before EoD to review everything
might i suggest you do a little more work than just who is meeting your expectations? xP No. I have a blueprint to win the game. And if you guys follow it, we win. step 1: lynch Artanis. step 2: lynch yamato Feel free to flip them around. How certain are you that Breshke is town and why? It's some old as shit tone read. Feel pretty okay about it.
I had the same tone read and I pointed it out before. I don't believe it's enough at this point.
On April 30 2015 22:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 22:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 22:20 Palmar wrote:
Artanis is mafia for hopping onto the WoS wagon, I think he even said that in part he liked something I had said and now he's trying to call me mafia because reasons.
Artanis is mafia for defending WoS when there was no reason to do so. I know half of you morons defended him too, but you're all dumb. Artanis is less dumb. Slightly.
Artanis is mafia for trying to pretend like he was some sort of a town hero that got WoS lynched. Saying Trfel and him were to thank for it.
First: Being right does not make you town. I felt you were pushing Wave all day without being articulate in the reasons why. Your first case wasn't particularly good, and you easily jumped onto Yamato when that train rolled along. Ah I see what I did wrong. Next game I'll do this instead. Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me. Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens: On April 21 2015 11:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 21 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 10:44 Damdred wrote:
Meh honestly I really hate how you guys throw around botes in this setup can really tell there haven't been enough iml games lately </3.
I can't speak for others but since the votecount only counts at the 24 hour mark I don't feel as hesitant as if it was a more standard IML setup. On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re Do you have any opinions on this post damdred? Extra scumpoints for being all concerned and shot over the only person in the game to scumread him. ##vote: BreshkeI'm back from Draft night and I'm super fucking pissed 'cause I misplayed in the absolute stupidest way possible, cost myself a match and 2 packs, so it's time to take it out on scum. On April 21 2015 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh what the fuck?
WOw I missed that completely. That's really odd. EVery IML game I've played has actually been IML
gotta rethink Breshke then. Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy. Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe". However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke. Thus he is mafia. Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me. Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens: On April 21 2015 11:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 21 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 10:44 Damdred wrote:
Meh honestly I really hate how you guys throw around botes in this setup can really tell there haven't been enough iml games lately </3.
I can't speak for others but since the votecount only counts at the 24 hour mark I don't feel as hesitant as if it was a more standard IML setup. On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re Do you have any opinions on this post damdred? Extra scumpoints for being all concerned and shot over the only person in the game to scumread him. ##vote: BreshkeI'm back from Draft night and I'm super fucking pissed 'cause I misplayed in the absolute stupidest way possible, cost myself a match and 2 packs, so it's time to take it out on scum. On April 21 2015 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh what the fuck?
WOw I missed that completely. That's really odd. EVery IML game I've played has actually been IML
gotta rethink Breshke then. Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy. Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe". However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke. Thus he is mafia. Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me. Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens: On April 21 2015 11:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 21 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 10:44 Damdred wrote:
Meh honestly I really hate how you guys throw around botes in this setup can really tell there haven't been enough iml games lately </3.
I can't speak for others but since the votecount only counts at the 24 hour mark I don't feel as hesitant as if it was a more standard IML setup. On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re Do you have any opinions on this post damdred? Extra scumpoints for being all concerned and shot over the only person in the game to scumread him. ##vote: BreshkeI'm back from Draft night and I'm super fucking pissed 'cause I misplayed in the absolute stupidest way possible, cost myself a match and 2 packs, so it's time to take it out on scum. On April 21 2015 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh what the fuck?
WOw I missed that completely. That's really odd. EVery IML game I've played has actually been IML
gotta rethink Breshke then. Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy. Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe". However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke. Thus he is mafia. Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me. Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens: On April 21 2015 11:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 21 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 10:44 Damdred wrote:
Meh honestly I really hate how you guys throw around botes in this setup can really tell there haven't been enough iml games lately </3.
I can't speak for others but since the votecount only counts at the 24 hour mark I don't feel as hesitant as if it was a more standard IML setup. On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re Do you have any opinions on this post damdred? Extra scumpoints for being all concerned and shot over the only person in the game to scumread him. ##vote: BreshkeI'm back from Draft night and I'm super fucking pissed 'cause I misplayed in the absolute stupidest way possible, cost myself a match and 2 packs, so it's time to take it out on scum. On April 21 2015 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh what the fuck?
WOw I missed that completely. That's really odd. EVery IML game I've played has actually been IML
gotta rethink Breshke then. Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy. Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe". However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke. Thus he is mafia. Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me. Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens: On April 21 2015 11:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 21 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 10:44 Damdred wrote:
Meh honestly I really hate how you guys throw around botes in this setup can really tell there haven't been enough iml games lately </3.
I can't speak for others but since the votecount only counts at the 24 hour mark I don't feel as hesitant as if it was a more standard IML setup. On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re Do you have any opinions on this post damdred? Extra scumpoints for being all concerned and shot over the only person in the game to scumread him. ##vote: BreshkeI'm back from Draft night and I'm super fucking pissed 'cause I misplayed in the absolute stupidest way possible, cost myself a match and 2 packs, so it's time to take it out on scum. On April 21 2015 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh what the fuck?
WOw I missed that completely. That's really odd. EVery IML game I've played has actually been IML
gotta rethink Breshke then. Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy. Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe". However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke. Thus he is mafia. Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me. Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens: On April 21 2015 11:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 21 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 10:44 Damdred wrote:
Meh honestly I really hate how you guys throw around botes in this setup can really tell there haven't been enough iml games lately </3.
I can't speak for others but since the votecount only counts at the 24 hour mark I don't feel as hesitant as if it was a more standard IML setup. On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re Do you have any opinions on this post damdred? Extra scumpoints for being all concerned and shot over the only person in the game to scumread him. ##vote: BreshkeI'm back from Draft night and I'm super fucking pissed 'cause I misplayed in the absolute stupidest way possible, cost myself a match and 2 packs, so it's time to take it out on scum. On April 21 2015 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh what the fuck?
WOw I missed that completely. That's really odd. EVery IML game I've played has actually been IML
gotta rethink Breshke then. Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy. Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe". However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke. Thus he is mafia. Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me. Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens: On April 21 2015 11:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 21 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 10:44 Damdred wrote:
Meh honestly I really hate how you guys throw around botes in this setup can really tell there haven't been enough iml games lately </3.
I can't speak for others but since the votecount only counts at the 24 hour mark I don't feel as hesitant as if it was a more standard IML setup. On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re Do you have any opinions on this post damdred? Extra scumpoints for being all concerned and shot over the only person in the game to scumread him. ##vote: BreshkeI'm back from Draft night and I'm super fucking pissed 'cause I misplayed in the absolute stupidest way possible, cost myself a match and 2 packs, so it's time to take it out on scum. On April 21 2015 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh what the fuck?
WOw I missed that completely. That's really odd. EVery IML game I've played has actually been IML
gotta rethink Breshke then. Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy. Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe". However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke. Thus he is mafia. Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me. Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens: On April 21 2015 11:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 21 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 10:44 Damdred wrote:
Meh honestly I really hate how you guys throw around botes in this setup can really tell there haven't been enough iml games lately </3.
I can't speak for others but since the votecount only counts at the 24 hour mark I don't feel as hesitant as if it was a more standard IML setup. On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re Do you have any opinions on this post damdred? Extra scumpoints for being all concerned and shot over the only person in the game to scumread him. ##vote: BreshkeI'm back from Draft night and I'm super fucking pissed 'cause I misplayed in the absolute stupidest way possible, cost myself a match and 2 packs, so it's time to take it out on scum. On April 21 2015 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh what the fuck?
WOw I missed that completely. That's really odd. EVery IML game I've played has actually been IML
gotta rethink Breshke then. Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy. Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe". However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke. Thus he is mafia. Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me. Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens: On April 21 2015 11:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 21 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 10:44 Damdred wrote:
Meh honestly I really hate how you guys throw around botes in this setup can really tell there haven't been enough iml games lately </3.
I can't speak for others but since the votecount only counts at the 24 hour mark I don't feel as hesitant as if it was a more standard IML setup. On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re Do you have any opinions on this post damdred? Extra scumpoints for being all concerned and shot over the only person in the game to scumread him. ##vote: BreshkeI'm back from Draft night and I'm super fucking pissed 'cause I misplayed in the absolute stupidest way possible, cost myself a match and 2 packs, so it's time to take it out on scum. On April 21 2015 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh what the fuck?
WOw I missed that completely. That's really odd. EVery IML game I've played has actually been IML
gotta rethink Breshke then. Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy. Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe". However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke. Thus he is mafia. Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me. Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens: On April 21 2015 11:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 21 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 10:44 Damdred wrote:
Meh honestly I really hate how you guys throw around botes in this setup can really tell there haven't been enough iml games lately </3.
I can't speak for others but since the votecount only counts at the 24 hour mark I don't feel as hesitant as if it was a more standard IML setup. On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re Do you have any opinions on this post damdred? Extra scumpoints for being all concerned and shot over the only person in the game to scumread him. ##vote: BreshkeI'm back from Draft night and I'm super fucking pissed 'cause I misplayed in the absolute stupidest way possible, cost myself a match and 2 packs, so it's time to take it out on scum. On April 21 2015 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh what the fuck?
WOw I missed that completely. That's really odd. EVery IML game I've played has actually been IML
gotta rethink Breshke then. Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy. Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe". However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke. Thus he is mafia. Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me. Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens: On April 21 2015 11:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 21 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 10:44 Damdred wrote:
Meh honestly I really hate how you guys throw around botes in this setup can really tell there haven't been enough iml games lately </3.
I can't speak for others but since the votecount only counts at the 24 hour mark I don't feel as hesitant as if it was a more standard IML setup. On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re Do you have any opinions on this post damdred? Extra scumpoints for being all concerned and shot over the only person in the game to scumread him. ##vote: BreshkeI'm back from Draft night and I'm super fucking pissed 'cause I misplayed in the absolute stupidest way possible, cost myself a match and 2 packs, so it's time to take it out on scum. On April 21 2015 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh what the fuck?
WOw I missed that completely. That's really odd. EVery IML game I've played has actually been IML
gotta rethink Breshke then. Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy. Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe". However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke. Thus he is mafia.
I told you already that I didn't think that case was conclusive. In the end, I scumread Wave for not actually trying to solve the game and just commenting on things by the sidelines. You did point that out later but not in a way that actually got yourself heard. You've played this game often enough to know how it works.
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On April 30 2015 22:50 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 22:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 22:42 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 22:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 22:29 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 22:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Being right doesn't mean those were the things that made him mafia. In the end, what made him mafia was that he was just commenting on things and didn't actually try to hunt for scum.
I'm pretty sure you don't actually think I'm mafia and you're just mad. Stop getting mad and figure out the game. I don't actually think you'd be this much of a dick as mafia so it's between Breshke and Yamato. I'm currently edging towards Breshke for really not thinking about the game critically and in his evaluation on me he didn't really come to a strong conclusion yet still ignored large parts of the game. Ignore large parts of the game? I ignored you and trfel not switching to yamato? what else did i ignore? What do you think i didn't think about critically? Why does rsoultin start liking me for my recent posting and artanis starts disliking me. At least im meeting palmars expectations Basically you seemed to ignore everything that happened end of D2, start of D3. The whole Wave/Yamato thing. My alignment. Like I said, your conclusion was half-assed. "These things make him town but there's this one contradiction that makes me go eh but I think he's town enough that I don't want to lynch him this cycle". When you're this uncertain as town, one usually digs in a little bit more. So no that isn't most of the game. Also i don't think you look as amazing from not lynching yamato as you think you do. Why as scum could you not have that out to lynch yamato and not take it to make yourself look better. If yamato gets lynched and flips town most likely wave gets lynched the next day anyway its just wifom. How do you want me to dig in? The palmar stuff i found not important in context because you picked up the wagon later on. The trfel stuff was a contradiction yes and i still don't like it but why can't someone who is town do something that doesn't make sense to me. Of course most of the game was an over exaggeration. The point was you didn't consider certain pretty vital aspects. As for Wave getting lynched next, I'd argue there was a good chance that you'd get lynched the day after with Rso going after your ass. There were three realistic lynches: Yamato, You, Wave. With Wave and my Presence and Palmar not really being heard and you townreading Wave it would've definitely been possible. What I meant is that you didn't look at everything yet you weren't convinced one way or the other. I find it weird that you just stopped. I was convinced though so your point is invalid.
You said you were convinced enough to not want to lynch me this cycle. That doesn't sound particularly convinced overall.
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On April 30 2015 22:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 22:50 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 22:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 22:42 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 22:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 22:29 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 22:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Being right doesn't mean those were the things that made him mafia. In the end, what made him mafia was that he was just commenting on things and didn't actually try to hunt for scum.
I'm pretty sure you don't actually think I'm mafia and you're just mad. Stop getting mad and figure out the game. I don't actually think you'd be this much of a dick as mafia so it's between Breshke and Yamato. I'm currently edging towards Breshke for really not thinking about the game critically and in his evaluation on me he didn't really come to a strong conclusion yet still ignored large parts of the game. Ignore large parts of the game? I ignored you and trfel not switching to yamato? what else did i ignore? What do you think i didn't think about critically? Why does rsoultin start liking me for my recent posting and artanis starts disliking me. At least im meeting palmars expectations Basically you seemed to ignore everything that happened end of D2, start of D3. The whole Wave/Yamato thing. My alignment. Like I said, your conclusion was half-assed. "These things make him town but there's this one contradiction that makes me go eh but I think he's town enough that I don't want to lynch him this cycle". When you're this uncertain as town, one usually digs in a little bit more. So no that isn't most of the game. Also i don't think you look as amazing from not lynching yamato as you think you do. Why as scum could you not have that out to lynch yamato and not take it to make yourself look better. If yamato gets lynched and flips town most likely wave gets lynched the next day anyway its just wifom. How do you want me to dig in? The palmar stuff i found not important in context because you picked up the wagon later on. The trfel stuff was a contradiction yes and i still don't like it but why can't someone who is town do something that doesn't make sense to me. Of course most of the game was an over exaggeration. The point was you didn't consider certain pretty vital aspects. As for Wave getting lynched next, I'd argue there was a good chance that you'd get lynched the day after with Rso going after your ass. There were three realistic lynches: Yamato, You, Wave. With Wave and my Presence and Palmar not really being heard and you townreading Wave it would've definitely been possible. What I meant is that you didn't look at everything yet you weren't convinced one way or the other. I find it weird that you just stopped. I was convinced though so your point is invalid. You said you were convinced enough to not want to lynch me this cycle. That doesn't sound particularly convinced overall.
Because the next cycle if we don't lynch scum is 5 player lylo im not going to say im never lynching you because ill obviously relook at things I can see how this could look like I wasn't making a solid conclusion but it's just me not wanting to give a definitive thing which thinking about it is fairy scummy.
I think ill go to bed.
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Sorry, I appear to be busier than I thought.....
If I can't play very much over the next day or so, I'll make it up after.
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Vote count:
Breshke(1) -Yamato77
Yamato77(1)- Palmar
until the possible day end
With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch
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On April 30 2015 22:44 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 21:58 rsoultin wrote:
o.0
breeeesh i was just about to say you were looking better today and drop my vote on palmar
##vote Palmar
which i think i'm gonna do anyway, unless there's a good reason i won't be home by deadline, but
lol wth is that last bit? >< Rso im confused but for clarity in this post why did you think I was looking better today
at first you seemed to come out the gates with an interest in solving the game and narrowing the lynch pool instead of trying to keep your options open, and i didn't really have the same issues with the artanis post as he did lol >< i'm used to the truffle/breshke waffle...however...your response to him calling you out on it was very strange o.0
not necessarily even scummy strange just strange
like...um...how could posts about you make you not read that part of his filter? xP that's just weird, and because it was so weird it sounds made-up
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On April 30 2015 22:56 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 22:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 22:50 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 22:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 22:42 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 22:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 22:29 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 22:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Being right doesn't mean those were the things that made him mafia. In the end, what made him mafia was that he was just commenting on things and didn't actually try to hunt for scum.
I'm pretty sure you don't actually think I'm mafia and you're just mad. Stop getting mad and figure out the game. I don't actually think you'd be this much of a dick as mafia so it's between Breshke and Yamato. I'm currently edging towards Breshke for really not thinking about the game critically and in his evaluation on me he didn't really come to a strong conclusion yet still ignored large parts of the game. Ignore large parts of the game? I ignored you and trfel not switching to yamato? what else did i ignore? What do you think i didn't think about critically? Why does rsoultin start liking me for my recent posting and artanis starts disliking me. At least im meeting palmars expectations Basically you seemed to ignore everything that happened end of D2, start of D3. The whole Wave/Yamato thing. My alignment. Like I said, your conclusion was half-assed. "These things make him town but there's this one contradiction that makes me go eh but I think he's town enough that I don't want to lynch him this cycle". When you're this uncertain as town, one usually digs in a little bit more. So no that isn't most of the game. Also i don't think you look as amazing from not lynching yamato as you think you do. Why as scum could you not have that out to lynch yamato and not take it to make yourself look better. If yamato gets lynched and flips town most likely wave gets lynched the next day anyway its just wifom. How do you want me to dig in? The palmar stuff i found not important in context because you picked up the wagon later on. The trfel stuff was a contradiction yes and i still don't like it but why can't someone who is town do something that doesn't make sense to me. Of course most of the game was an over exaggeration. The point was you didn't consider certain pretty vital aspects. As for Wave getting lynched next, I'd argue there was a good chance that you'd get lynched the day after with Rso going after your ass. There were three realistic lynches: Yamato, You, Wave. With Wave and my Presence and Palmar not really being heard and you townreading Wave it would've definitely been possible. What I meant is that you didn't look at everything yet you weren't convinced one way or the other. I find it weird that you just stopped. I was convinced though so your point is invalid. You said you were convinced enough to not want to lynch me this cycle. That doesn't sound particularly convinced overall. Because the next cycle if we don't lynch scum is 5 player lylo im not going to say im never lynching you because ill obviously relook at things I can see how this could look like I wasn't making a solid conclusion but it's just me not wanting to give a definitive thing which thinking about it is fairy scummy. I think ill go to bed.
also explain this -_-
and no one but breshke, guys
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On May 01 2015 06:20 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 22:56 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 22:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 22:50 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 22:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 22:42 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 22:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 22:29 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 22:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Being right doesn't mean those were the things that made him mafia. In the end, what made him mafia was that he was just commenting on things and didn't actually try to hunt for scum.
I'm pretty sure you don't actually think I'm mafia and you're just mad. Stop getting mad and figure out the game. I don't actually think you'd be this much of a dick as mafia so it's between Breshke and Yamato. I'm currently edging towards Breshke for really not thinking about the game critically and in his evaluation on me he didn't really come to a strong conclusion yet still ignored large parts of the game. Ignore large parts of the game? I ignored you and trfel not switching to yamato? what else did i ignore? What do you think i didn't think about critically? Why does rsoultin start liking me for my recent posting and artanis starts disliking me. At least im meeting palmars expectations Basically you seemed to ignore everything that happened end of D2, start of D3. The whole Wave/Yamato thing. My alignment. Like I said, your conclusion was half-assed. "These things make him town but there's this one contradiction that makes me go eh but I think he's town enough that I don't want to lynch him this cycle". When you're this uncertain as town, one usually digs in a little bit more. So no that isn't most of the game. Also i don't think you look as amazing from not lynching yamato as you think you do. Why as scum could you not have that out to lynch yamato and not take it to make yourself look better. If yamato gets lynched and flips town most likely wave gets lynched the next day anyway its just wifom. How do you want me to dig in? The palmar stuff i found not important in context because you picked up the wagon later on. The trfel stuff was a contradiction yes and i still don't like it but why can't someone who is town do something that doesn't make sense to me. Of course most of the game was an over exaggeration. The point was you didn't consider certain pretty vital aspects. As for Wave getting lynched next, I'd argue there was a good chance that you'd get lynched the day after with Rso going after your ass. There were three realistic lynches: Yamato, You, Wave. With Wave and my Presence and Palmar not really being heard and you townreading Wave it would've definitely been possible. What I meant is that you didn't look at everything yet you weren't convinced one way or the other. I find it weird that you just stopped. I was convinced though so your point is invalid. You said you were convinced enough to not want to lynch me this cycle. That doesn't sound particularly convinced overall. Because the next cycle if we don't lynch scum is 5 player lylo im not going to say im never lynching you because ill obviously relook at things I can see how this could look like I wasn't making a solid conclusion but it's just me not wanting to give a definitive thing which thinking about it is fairy scummy. I think ill go to bed. also explain this -_- and no one but breshke, guys
Have you read hapas message about kp? My understanding is they could have literally stored their kp forever then just killed like 3 or 4 people in ome night.
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On May 01 2015 06:37 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2015 06:20 rsoultin wrote:On April 30 2015 22:56 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 22:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 22:50 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 22:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 22:42 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 22:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 22:29 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 22:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Being right doesn't mean those were the things that made him mafia. In the end, what made him mafia was that he was just commenting on things and didn't actually try to hunt for scum.
I'm pretty sure you don't actually think I'm mafia and you're just mad. Stop getting mad and figure out the game. I don't actually think you'd be this much of a dick as mafia so it's between Breshke and Yamato. I'm currently edging towards Breshke for really not thinking about the game critically and in his evaluation on me he didn't really come to a strong conclusion yet still ignored large parts of the game. Ignore large parts of the game? I ignored you and trfel not switching to yamato? what else did i ignore? What do you think i didn't think about critically? Why does rsoultin start liking me for my recent posting and artanis starts disliking me. At least im meeting palmars expectations Basically you seemed to ignore everything that happened end of D2, start of D3. The whole Wave/Yamato thing. My alignment. Like I said, your conclusion was half-assed. "These things make him town but there's this one contradiction that makes me go eh but I think he's town enough that I don't want to lynch him this cycle". When you're this uncertain as town, one usually digs in a little bit more. So no that isn't most of the game. Also i don't think you look as amazing from not lynching yamato as you think you do. Why as scum could you not have that out to lynch yamato and not take it to make yourself look better. If yamato gets lynched and flips town most likely wave gets lynched the next day anyway its just wifom. How do you want me to dig in? The palmar stuff i found not important in context because you picked up the wagon later on. The trfel stuff was a contradiction yes and i still don't like it but why can't someone who is town do something that doesn't make sense to me. Of course most of the game was an over exaggeration. The point was you didn't consider certain pretty vital aspects. As for Wave getting lynched next, I'd argue there was a good chance that you'd get lynched the day after with Rso going after your ass. There were three realistic lynches: Yamato, You, Wave. With Wave and my Presence and Palmar not really being heard and you townreading Wave it would've definitely been possible. What I meant is that you didn't look at everything yet you weren't convinced one way or the other. I find it weird that you just stopped. I was convinced though so your point is invalid. You said you were convinced enough to not want to lynch me this cycle. That doesn't sound particularly convinced overall. Because the next cycle if we don't lynch scum is 5 player lylo im not going to say im never lynching you because ill obviously relook at things I can see how this could look like I wasn't making a solid conclusion but it's just me not wanting to give a definitive thing which thinking about it is fairy scummy. I think ill go to bed. also explain this -_- and no one but breshke, guys Have you read hapas message about kp? My understanding is they could have literally stored their kp forever then just killed like 3 or 4 people in ome night.
lol yes i'm aware
i just find it immensely interesting that you can say i'm all but confirmed by damdred flipping doctor...then say that it will be 5 player lylo as if there is no question whatsoever, because in order for it to be 5-player lylo we'd have to mislynch today and scum would have to save their kp and not shoot tonight...which is already a big assumption...but add on to that the assumption that we're still missing kp from night 1?
which assumes that damdred was not successful in getting a save either night
that's a heck of a lot of assumptions rolled into a definitive statement, and you're not the type
like obviously if damdred didn't save me night 1 i'm not confirmed at all xP in fact i'm not confirmed anyway. my being saved by damdred is just one possible explanation for missing kp. clearly you're aware of that when you said it was 5 player lylo
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