EPTNoir Mini Mafia: Chapter 3 - Page 77
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yamato77
11589 Posts
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
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yamato77
11589 Posts
I don't have any answers. I lied. ##Unvote | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
good you were making me nervous xP it's even better that no one had to ping you to do it ^^ | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
On May 01 2015 06:42 rsoultin wrote: lol yes i'm aware i just find it immensely interesting that you can say i'm all but confirmed by damdred flipping doctor...then say that it will be 5 player lylo as if there is no question whatsoever, because in order for it to be 5-player lylo we'd have to mislynch today and scum would have to save their kp and not shoot tonight...which is already a big assumption...but add on to that the assumption that we're still missing kp from night 1? which assumes that damdred was not successful in getting a save either night that's a heck of a lot of assumptions rolled into a definitive statement, and you're not the type like obviously if damdred didn't save me night 1 i'm not confirmed at all xP in fact i'm not confirmed anyway. my being saved by damdred is just one possible explanation for missing kp. clearly you're aware of that when you said it was 5 player lylo Yeah I am. I also dont think scum didnt no kill N1 because if im rightthey didnt know what PR we had so ee could of had a cop so they needed to try kill the pr You still arnt understanding. They dont have to save their kp from N1 for us to go to 5 player mylo all they need to do is save next nights kp. I also think that thry dont have to kill you just because you are confirmed enough that noone is ever going to kill you. Its funny that you actually seem to think this was some sort of scumslip | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
Cycle 3.1: There is no majority. Day continues. It takes 4 votes to lynch. until the next cycle ends. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
I'm sorry, I don't have time to truly analyze (or the energy to properly read the last few pages). If you need my vote for something, I'll try to check in before my plane flight tomorrow, otherwise I will hopefully be online before the deadline. I'm really sorry, I'll do analysis and try to make up for it in the next cycle. Off the top of my head, it feels to me that while Palmar could be doing this as scum, it could be surprisingly hard to replicate a playstyle created by not caring whatsoever. Trying to care and seem to not care is not so easy. I'd believe much more in Breshke being mafia, or yamato77 being able to fool me. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
And Then... There Were Six rsoultin I shouldn't really have to explain why I think rso is town, but at this point it's a somewhat necessary exercise to question my own townreads. At 21 pages of filter, rso is the most active player left alive in the game by over double in terms of sheer posting. Ignoring any meta-related questions of activity and ability to post, this is indicative of a level of involvement and interest in the game that is literally unequaled by anyone else. I doubt that ANY mafia player would be so overwhelmingly active and conversational throughout this game. Seeing as no one save Wave himself even questioned her alignment at almost any point in the game, there's no real reason for me to doubt this read whatsoever. Wave's posting did NOT look like scum distancing or bussing, however odd it is that he chose to attack literally the towniest person in the thread. Open and shut, there's no reason to dig through 21 pages to figure out her alignment. No one's going to argue with me about this anyway. Palmar From the most active, to the least active. Before I delve into Palmar's posting or talk about his play this game at any length, I want to talk about how I generally approach reading Palmar. I've seen Palmar play in any number of ways, from claiming scum as town, claiming scum as scum, to pushing a case very hard as town, to pushing a case very hard as mafia. I've seen him fuck off, and I've seen him tryhard and tunnel and ruin an entire day pushing an incorrect read. Simply put, meta reads just aren't very effective on Palmar, at least in the early game. Later in the game, maybe he cares more as town? It's hard to say. This game, Palmar's singular meaningful contribution to the game is his case on Wave. It happened relatively early D1 and was somewhat followed up throughout the game as Palmar continued to come in the thread and call for Wave's lynch. Aside from a short lived push on me for dubious reasons, Palmar's reads this game outside of Wave have been rather shallow. So, the question to answer is, was it a bus? Before Mafia Mini Mafia 2, I would have said absolutely not. What, exactly, is the point of such a play? Why hardbus your teammates all game and play for a much more difficult win if you can avoid it? Now, however, I'm quite unsure. I made the wrong call faced with this question in MMM2 and I'm hesitant to make any sort of associative read this game because of it. On this subject, Palmar says this: On April 30 2015 22:31 Palmar wrote: I have bused teammates and I have been right on day 1. So in the end your approach results in absolutely no fucking conclusion. So... how do you do this? You look at how I did it. Go read my case on WoS, go read my interactions with him and think to yourself "Do I believe Palmar genuinely believes the things he's saying?". Am I being insightful or am I using some shitty generic scumtells to build my case. Am I explaining why I think what I think in a manner that looks like these are genuine thoughts and not fabricated bullshit on a teammate? Go forth and try. You'll probably fail, but it's better to have tried and failed but not to have tried at all. And I'll repeat, before MMM2 I would have been on board with this. But now? I saw Damdred interact with GB and Rit all game long while calling them mafia for genuine-looking reasons that lined up with how I viewed the game, BUT I WAS STILL WRONG. At this point, it's just not good enough. Looking at the rest of Palmar's play this game, you really see how thin his reads are. If Palmar was mafia with Wave, where does Palmar go from here? He hasn't really had any other in-depth read on any other player in the game up to this point, so who is he to push? He has his "case" on me that he questions even himself, and an associative read on Artanis that is based on the same sort of thin logic: "He doesn't agree with me and is bad so he must be mafia" Could Palmar be town? Sure. He could have just been really right on D1 and then basically just stopped playing after that, and is now dealing with that fact. I've been there, on occasion. At this point, though, Palmar looks quite bad. I have yet to re-look at the other three, but we'll get there. For tonight though, this is going to do. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
except that meta-related questions about activity and ability to post would reveal that i just came out of a scum newbie game with a 21/22-pg filter (before post-game posts), which was yes obviously the largest filter in the game...and we've played another 48-72 hours in this one it is 100% a bad way to read me lol >< filter length/activity | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On May 01 2015 21:50 rsoultin wrote: xP except that meta-related questions about activity and ability to post would reveal that i just came out of a scum newbie game with a 21/22-pg filter (before post-game posts), which was yes obviously the largest filter in the game...and we've played another 48-72 hours more in this one it is 100% a bad way to read me lol >< filter length/activity ^ is what that should read basically, yamato, if that's your reason for townreading me and you plan on using it in the future as well you're gonna get rekt  you need better reasons than that to townread me | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
Contagem de Votos: Yamato(1)- Palmar until the possible day end With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12973 Posts
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yamato77
11589 Posts
Tonight, though, I probably will. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
I still believe my case is valid. even if we ignore the associative stuff it's very strange how yamato suddenly stopped thinking about WoS (it would also be strange if wos was town) because people generally don't forget what they want to talk about. | ||
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Trfel
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
i think we're probably no lynching again | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Cycle 3.2: There is no majority. Day continues. It takes 4 votes to lynch. until the next cycle ends. | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
Sorry for delays | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On May 02 2015 12:12 Breshke wrote: Making activity excuses at this point in the game?My internet is fucked and wont be fixed until tonight or tomorrow morning wont really be doing much here until then Sorry for delays That's just poor form, and extremely disrespectful. I think that Breshke needs to get policy lynched for this. | ||
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