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On April 30 2015 10:18 Trfel wrote:
I need to look again to see if this makes Artanis confirmed town, but I don't think that it does. It does look extremely good for him, despite all of the earlier reasons I had to townread him, but I suppose he could do this as mafia.
On April 30 2015 10:34 Breshke wrote:
Trfel is town. Fairly sure yama is town considering how wrong ive been and how he was acting EOD
That leaves me with art and palmar
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On April 30 2015 19:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 10:18 Trfel wrote:
I need to look again to see if this makes Artanis confirmed town, but I don't think that it does. It does look extremely good for him, despite all of the earlier reasons I had to townread him, but I suppose he could do this as mafia. Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 10:34 Breshke wrote:
Trfel is town. Fairly sure yama is town considering how wrong ive been and how he was acting EOD
That leaves me with art and palmar
??
You want to lynch palmar. I want to lynch palmar game probs ends there
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#1 I'm sick expect nothing
#2 Artanis is mafia
#3 if you guys have a hard-on for being awful you can lynch me first
##vote artanis
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On April 30 2015 19:22 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 19:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 10:18 Trfel wrote:
I need to look again to see if this makes Artanis confirmed town, but I don't think that it does. It does look extremely good for him, despite all of the earlier reasons I had to townread him, but I suppose he could do this as mafia. On April 30 2015 10:34 Breshke wrote:
Trfel is town. Fairly sure yama is town considering how wrong ive been and how he was acting EOD
That leaves me with art and palmar ?? You want to lynch palmar. I want to lynch palmar game probs ends there
You actually expect Yamato to be more likely town than me. I don't believe anyone that's actually thinking about the game can think that.
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On April 30 2015 19:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 19:22 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 19:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 10:18 Trfel wrote:
I need to look again to see if this makes Artanis confirmed town, but I don't think that it does. It does look extremely good for him, despite all of the earlier reasons I had to townread him, but I suppose he could do this as mafia. On April 30 2015 10:34 Breshke wrote:
Trfel is town. Fairly sure yama is town considering how wrong ive been and how he was acting EOD
That leaves me with art and palmar ?? You want to lynch palmar. I want to lynch palmar game probs ends there You actually expect Yamato to be more likely town than me. I don't believe anyone that's actually thinking about the game can think that.
yes because i expect my reads this game to be fucking retarded
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On April 30 2015 19:41 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 19:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 19:22 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 19:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 10:18 Trfel wrote:
I need to look again to see if this makes Artanis confirmed town, but I don't think that it does. It does look extremely good for him, despite all of the earlier reasons I had to townread him, but I suppose he could do this as mafia. On April 30 2015 10:34 Breshke wrote:
Trfel is town. Fairly sure yama is town considering how wrong ive been and how he was acting EOD
That leaves me with art and palmar ?? You want to lynch palmar. I want to lynch palmar game probs ends there You actually expect Yamato to be more likely town than me. I don't believe anyone that's actually thinking about the game can think that. yes because i expect my reads this game to be fucking retarded
Don't just say that your reads are bad, go and do some analysis as to why I'd be saying this. It doesn't feel like you're trying to discern alignments in a critical manner at all.
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Please don't Breshke. Nothing good can come from you doing analysis
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On April 30 2015 19:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 19:41 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 19:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 19:22 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 19:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 10:18 Trfel wrote:
I need to look again to see if this makes Artanis confirmed town, but I don't think that it does. It does look extremely good for him, despite all of the earlier reasons I had to townread him, but I suppose he could do this as mafia. On April 30 2015 10:34 Breshke wrote:
Trfel is town. Fairly sure yama is town considering how wrong ive been and how he was acting EOD
That leaves me with art and palmar ?? You want to lynch palmar. I want to lynch palmar game probs ends there You actually expect Yamato to be more likely town than me. I don't believe anyone that's actually thinking about the game can think that. yes because i expect my reads this game to be fucking retarded Don't just say that your reads are bad, go and do some analysis as to why I'd be saying this. It doesn't feel like you're trying to discern alignments in a critical manner at all.
you right
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Also, Palmar, if you could explain why I'm mafia at some point in this game that'd be dandy. You did promise you'd start to play after we flipped Wave.
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On April 23 2015 08:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 07:53 rsoultin wrote:On April 23 2015 07:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 23 2015 07:51 rsoultin wrote:On April 23 2015 07:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
@Arsoul Yeah, I'm aware of that. If he felt any of his reasons weren't good though, I'd imagine he'd have said something along the lines of "I didn't think of that" but your arguments weren't really bringing anything new to the table. I can't imagine that with the strength in the words he was saying he'd be swayed by what you said.
Also, as for your meta read on Trfel... You claimed to have a strong meta read for LS too, then you proceeded to misread him twice when he rolled scum twice. I'm sorry, but I don't hold too much faith in that. lol the fucking difference here artanis is i've actually caught truffle as scum and as 3rd party, so you can be high-and-mighty about the fact that i've been wrong on people before if you want...and i probably will be again, and probably on truffle, too...but that doesn't undermine the accuracy at reading him that i've shown up to this point Didn't you catch LS as mafia in his first game too? I'm not getting high-and-mighty at all. I'm simply pointing out that you've been wrong plenty of times before, so saying "I'm telling you he isn't scum" is not very convincing to me. I need reasons. i've given reasons several times. if you're ignoring them, that's on you Several times? This is the only one I can find ctrl-f'ing truffle in your filter. Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 06:25 rsoultin wrote:On April 23 2015 06:17 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 23 2015 06:15 rsoultin wrote:On April 23 2015 06:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
He scum read Trfel.
And actually as I recall that read is mostly based on meta and contrary to your read soniv kind of interested to see how that plays out.
Also don't quite get that yamato read Trfel. well, that's easy, wave lol >< i'm right the really question is whether or not it's reasonable for artie to be wrong about truffle and still town  (truffle is a super easy read imo) meh guess i should actually read artanis' filter :/ I dunno I guess maybe i should appreciate your 100 percent correct t rate on Trfel but it's a pretty nebulous read/concept for me to have to accept in a game based in cases/evidence. if you don't like meta and you don't like tone i'm kinda wasting my time detailing it anyway, with the added issue of perhaps alerting truffle to what the red flags in his play are when he's scum/3rd party... i don't mind going more in depth, but if you just look at his play here you see the effort he's been putting in (sporadically, but still) coupled with an almost carelessness about how others read his actions...the voting gooberliness, mainly plus i think it's actually quite townie for someone to go...hey guys i'm writing a case on x...oh nevermind there's really not anything there that definitively makes x scum Which I guess I can work with. He's only played one scumgame according to the DB so far though (Student) where he got copchecked as scum on D2. Not much to work with, especially since I coached him that game and gave him a bunch of tips I'd expect him to incorporate into his play.
Art can you explain the bolded to me. Was this a weakening of your scumread on trfel or were you just saying you could see how rso townread him because of this but still disagreed.
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On April 30 2015 20:06 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 08:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 23 2015 07:53 rsoultin wrote:On April 23 2015 07:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 23 2015 07:51 rsoultin wrote:On April 23 2015 07:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
@Arsoul Yeah, I'm aware of that. If he felt any of his reasons weren't good though, I'd imagine he'd have said something along the lines of "I didn't think of that" but your arguments weren't really bringing anything new to the table. I can't imagine that with the strength in the words he was saying he'd be swayed by what you said.
Also, as for your meta read on Trfel... You claimed to have a strong meta read for LS too, then you proceeded to misread him twice when he rolled scum twice. I'm sorry, but I don't hold too much faith in that. lol the fucking difference here artanis is i've actually caught truffle as scum and as 3rd party, so you can be high-and-mighty about the fact that i've been wrong on people before if you want...and i probably will be again, and probably on truffle, too...but that doesn't undermine the accuracy at reading him that i've shown up to this point Didn't you catch LS as mafia in his first game too? I'm not getting high-and-mighty at all. I'm simply pointing out that you've been wrong plenty of times before, so saying "I'm telling you he isn't scum" is not very convincing to me. I need reasons. i've given reasons several times. if you're ignoring them, that's on you Several times? This is the only one I can find ctrl-f'ing truffle in your filter. On April 23 2015 06:25 rsoultin wrote:On April 23 2015 06:17 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 23 2015 06:15 rsoultin wrote:On April 23 2015 06:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
He scum read Trfel.
And actually as I recall that read is mostly based on meta and contrary to your read soniv kind of interested to see how that plays out.
Also don't quite get that yamato read Trfel. well, that's easy, wave lol >< i'm right the really question is whether or not it's reasonable for artie to be wrong about truffle and still town (truffle is a super easy read imo) meh guess i should actually read artanis' filter :/ I dunno I guess maybe i should appreciate your 100 percent correct t rate on Trfel but it's a pretty nebulous read/concept for me to have to accept in a game based in cases/evidence. if you don't like meta and you don't like tone i'm kinda wasting my time detailing it anyway, with the added issue of perhaps alerting truffle to what the red flags in his play are when he's scum/3rd party... i don't mind going more in depth, but if you just look at his play here you see the effort he's been putting in (sporadically, but still) coupled with an almost carelessness about how others read his actions...the voting gooberliness, mainly plus i think it's actually quite townie for someone to go...hey guys i'm writing a case on x...oh nevermind there's really not anything there that definitively makes x scum Which I guess I can work with. He's only played one scumgame according to the DB so far though (Student) where he got copchecked as scum on D2. Not much to work with, especially since I coached him that game and gave him a bunch of tips I'd expect him to incorporate into his play. Art can you explain the bolded to me. Was this a weakening of your scumread on trfel or were you just saying you could see how rso townread him because of this but still disagreed.
It did weaken my scumread on Trfel a little. I could see what she was saying, but I still had my suspicions.
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On April 30 2015 20:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also, Palmar, if you could explain why I'm mafia at some point in this game that'd be dandy. You did promise you'd start to play after we flipped Wave.
Only if I was wrong
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On April 24 2015 22:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I definitely don't want to lynch Yamato today or probably any day. His mafia game is much worse than what he's shown so far and he cares too much.
Damdred's Trfel case is bad. Doubt is a town trait for Trfel. What I'm more worried about is that he artifically inserted doubt when I pointed out how his read on me was too strong for his normal towngame, and thus became more doubtful in general.
What's stopping me from going full yolo on a Trfel lynch is that he feels very reasonable. He keeps re-evaluating me (even though I don't understand at all how he comes to his conclusions, on me at least) and seems to be very fluid in his reads, which is something that's very difficult as scum.
I think I want to lynch Palmar today. Trfel said he's been trolling, but I feel like Palmar hasn't really trolled as much as not giving a shit. He's pushed Wave mostly without much reasoning and has just not given a lot of shits about anything else. He made this one terrible list post that didn't have any reasons which Marv once told me is a hallmark of his scumgame (and he hasn't posted any reads lists as town since Imperial whilst he has as scum). His 'town meta' of not doing anything is easily replicable as scum. He's been townread for it before, I see no reason why he wouldn't attempt to replicate it as town.
There's no reason to read Palmar as town, his unsubstantiated reads list is scummy and he hasn't truly trolled in a way that causes people to rise up against him. It's been calculated play.
##Vote Palmar
art this post here the bolded.
Could you explain how you didn't understand how he came to the conclusions he did in his reads yet you still thought they were fluid?
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On April 30 2015 20:13 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 20:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also, Palmar, if you could explain why I'm mafia at some point in this game that'd be dandy. You did promise you'd start to play after we flipped Wave. Only if I was wrong
I don't believe you've ever specified that. It was asked if you'd play after Wave got lynched.
On April 30 2015 20:14 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2015 22:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I definitely don't want to lynch Yamato today or probably any day. His mafia game is much worse than what he's shown so far and he cares too much.
Damdred's Trfel case is bad. Doubt is a town trait for Trfel. What I'm more worried about is that he artifically inserted doubt when I pointed out how his read on me was too strong for his normal towngame, and thus became more doubtful in general.
What's stopping me from going full yolo on a Trfel lynch is that he feels very reasonable. He keeps re-evaluating me (even though I don't understand at all how he comes to his conclusions, on me at least) and seems to be very fluid in his reads, which is something that's very difficult as scum.
I think I want to lynch Palmar today. Trfel said he's been trolling, but I feel like Palmar hasn't really trolled as much as not giving a shit. He's pushed Wave mostly without much reasoning and has just not given a lot of shits about anything else. He made this one terrible list post that didn't have any reasons which Marv once told me is a hallmark of his scumgame (and he hasn't posted any reads lists as town since Imperial whilst he has as scum). His 'town meta' of not doing anything is easily replicable as scum. He's been townread for it before, I see no reason why he wouldn't attempt to replicate it as town.
There's no reason to read Palmar as town, his unsubstantiated reads list is scummy and he hasn't truly trolled in a way that causes people to rise up against him. It's been calculated play.
##Vote Palmar art this post here the bolded. Could you explain how you didn't understand how he came to the conclusions he did in his reads yet you still thought they were fluid?
Fluid in the sense that he kept changing his conclusions. As mafia, I've found it to be quite difficult to keep changing your opinions on people. Whilst I couldn't understand exactly how, it felt like he wasn't really trying to push any mafia objectives with the way he was reading and evaluating people if that makes sense.
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On April 28 2015 04:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:I think I may be on board for a Wave lynch after going through the last few pages of his filter. It feels a lot like he's commenting on the game rather than figuring out stuff like Palmar pointed out. He's voted Yamato but doesn't really push him, and then there's oddball comments like Show nested quote +On April 27 2015 10:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
Remind me why we're not lynching trfel again When we've been talking about Trfel for a while at that point, so one would expect he'd have more specific reasons. Furthermore, his vote is still on Yamato. I'm actually struggling with voting him a lot because he's been very reasonable to me and I like him so I really don't want to be wrong, but I do think he's scum here. His activity to influence on the game ratio is just way off, and a lot of his posts just really don't help town to figure out the game. ##Vote WaveOfShadow
This might be hard to answer but at this point of the game you were scumreading palmar for the way he was treating wave/yamato then when you asked him to expand on his read on wave you further looked into it yourself and started to find reasons to scumread wave.
Did this change your opinions on palmars alignment?
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On April 30 2015 16:28 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 12:12 rsoultin wrote:
When you do what? Youre gonna have to quote what you mean. Cause frankly the lynch was between you three anyway. So why should i be impressed if youre echoing that? Okay so you say that wave taking me off the table means the most likely from that scenario myself and wave are mafia together. Yet when you asses the fact that I was trying to make the lynch between myself yamato and wave you do not find it strange that I would make the lynch between myself my scum partner and one town. You CORRECTLY say that it doesn't matter because it is not like I was picking the lynch anyway. However you are letting your preconceived ideas about my alignment affect your judgment as obviously wave wasn't choosing who got lynched either like no one was going to not consider me for the lynch because wave said ITS ME OR YAMATO. Like you are clearly tunneld on me rsoul and thats w/e like from your PoV it might even be a right tunnel but even if you still think im mafia you need to clearly take a step back and consider my alignment properly. (I say this knowing full well it might piss you off because you will say you have been already but im giving a case of where you havn't so yeah don't let this piss you off)
i'm not pissed off, bresh, lol
i think you're scum. i'm probably not going to listen much to you defending yourself. it's fairly simple. you want me to push someone else; give me a reason to
like none of what you just said makes you town, i'm currently out of town and not going to be going back through everything until later xP friendly advice? the best way to not get lynched is to present a better lynch candidate, not argue about things that don't really effect your alignment one way or another with the person scumreading you
that wave was trying to shield you, whether he was capable of succeeding or not, obviously has bearing. now go find me someone better to lynch and stop wasting my time thank you ^^
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-_- obviously that was me
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meh could lynch palmar here actually lol >< i don't know if he's scum here but i do know that i'm not losing to him as scum playing this way pbbbbbffftt xP play you ninny -_-
##unvote
but what i'm gonna do is not vote and if i'm back in time to vote and also read enough to make a good one xP then that's fine
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On April 30 2015 20:54 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2015 04:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:I think I may be on board for a Wave lynch after going through the last few pages of his filter. It feels a lot like he's commenting on the game rather than figuring out stuff like Palmar pointed out. He's voted Yamato but doesn't really push him, and then there's oddball comments like On April 27 2015 10:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
Remind me why we're not lynching trfel again When we've been talking about Trfel for a while at that point, so one would expect he'd have more specific reasons. Furthermore, his vote is still on Yamato. I'm actually struggling with voting him a lot because he's been very reasonable to me and I like him so I really don't want to be wrong, but I do think he's scum here. His activity to influence on the game ratio is just way off, and a lot of his posts just really don't help town to figure out the game. ##Vote WaveOfShadow This might be hard to answer but at this point of the game you were scumreading palmar for the way he was treating wave/yamato then when you asked him to expand on his read on wave you further looked into it yourself and started to find reasons to scumread wave. Did this change your opinions on palmars alignment?
Nope. Palmar didn't really do anything to actually push Wave, which I've mentioned a few times before. He happened to be the catalyst for me to look into him, which triggered Trfel to do so as well, but he was not the reason Wave got lynched by any stretch.
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