EPTIt is definitely possible that I could post that and still be mafia. That's up for you to decide. I will clarify, however, that my statements that I'm obviously town for my effort weren't very serious.
What do you think about my thoughts on Bourneq?
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It is definitely possible that I could post that and still be mafia. That's up for you to decide. I will clarify, however, that my statements that I'm obviously town for my effort weren't very serious. What do you think about my thoughts on Bourneq? | ||
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The one thing I find of interest is that LightningStrike didn't provide any reads at all at this time. | ||
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On April 19 2015 13:07 scott31337 wrote: He's not playing in this game?Where's my drunk Glowingbear at? | ||
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On April 19 2015 13:57 scott31337 wrote: I'm here, but I'll be going to sleep soon, I think.Anyone around? | ||
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On April 19 2015 14:05 scott31337 wrote: I spent maybe an hour or so (distracted) before the game started, and maybe an hour or so after (you can check the time stamps, and I was distracted by the game somewhat at that point).Trfel - How much of your wall of text did you write before the game? I did read it, BTW, I'm not a TLDR fan unless there is only one paragraph. (A literal wall) Thanks for reading it. I'm glad at least one person read it. Though I note that you didn't say that you enjoyed it, so I'm sad now  | ||
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On April 19 2015 14:29 LeiNadk wrote: I think that this actually makes Bourneq slightly more likely to be town. Town is interested in the thread enough to reload a few more times after they say they will go to sleep. Mafia will more likely not make a post when they don't have to. But it isn't very significant.First of all, I'm watching Bourne not because of Trfel's logic but because of the fact that he said he was going to sleep but stuck around as evident from his comment after Trfel's entrant post. I feel like he is carefully following the game without making it seems like he is. I do like LeiNadk's posting so far. On April 19 2015 14:48 The Shining wrote: I'm sorry, I misinterpreted your first post slightly. Your reads on scott31337 and ObiWanShinobi were clearly jokes, however you bothered to change your read on me to possible scum instead of sure scum like the other two. I felt that this meant that you were actually serious about this read. My fault. I'm really not good at reading for tone and I miss jokes frequently (there's a reason I almost never give tonereads), so I don't know where you would get the contrary opinion.I guess by page 7 I should've expected you guys to be a bit more serious. My bad. Trfel, any time I've played with you as town, you're able to have a light joking presence. Take, for instance, scumming the slot you replaced in right from the start in our last game. I'm surprised you of all people didn't see the lightness in my post. It's a light toneread but I don't see your normal towniness. Won't necessarily scum you right away though since you mentioned the thread was slow. You're at least trying to push conversation, which town needs right now. The validity of your read on Bourne? Like I said, he's a newbie that just got mislynched to lose a game for town. His posts aren't indicative to me, as I could easily see them coming from the perspective of a newbtown whos main thought right now is to avoid being put in that position again. And yes, thank you for your statements on Bourneq. That is the flaw in my argument. I'm surprised that Damdred disagreed with my argument but for different reasons. Bourneq also explained this quite nicely. The Shining gets a slight townread for his explanation of this. However, I'm somewhat surprised that Bourneq jumped on the inactive players like that. I don't think it is important at this time, but I would hope to see him keep his discussion on players in the thread from here on out. On April 19 2015 14:57 The Shining wrote: For reference, I've heard that some people advise not to ask questions like this. Obviously, this is different when dealing with newer players, but LightningStrike is experienced, and he knows to provide reads. If you ask him, of course he'll provide reads. If you don't ask him, maybe he will on his own accord, which would be more interesting.LightningStrike When you get back I want to see you actually do something. All I could gather from your posts is you're worried about getting scumread and you'll answer questions tomorrow. Can I get some preliminary reads from you when you do come back? I'm sure you'll have some thoughts on the posts you read when you wake up. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 19 2015 10:30 ObiWanShinobi wrote: This just doesn't feel like phrasing that mafia would use.Implies that he has a townread on Damdred, and that this town read is strong enough that basically everyone knows why Damdred is town.I feel terrible for saying this but I already kind of want to kill scott. It's not a very strong read, of course, once he does more we can get a better read anyway. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 19 2015 21:40 LightningStrike wrote: I'm back and saw TheBloodyDwarf complaining on the lack of Europeans in this thread. Also Shining had a question which will now be answered: Okay let's be honest here I usually get scumread for my early reads list by most people but here some thoughts on people: OWS: Null he haven't done much yet but I know when he post more I can give more of a accurate meta read because he haven't posted much. Shinging: Maybe Town you seem to be trying actually but I haven't forgiven you on being scum in our last game together LeiNadk: Just a confused townie most likely he being earnest I feel with him asking questions on how to play kinda reminds me of myself on my first game on TL. Tfrel: Null he can do most of his stuff as both alignments (Hinted at pregame he would do a really large post) Scott: He looked so damn townie when he was scum and he looks townie here to so null. Bourneq: Null he haven't really done much. Also Bourneq I'm here what's your thoughts so far? | ||
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Have fun, I'll post when I can. | ||
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For example, look at my play this game.
What do each of these three things suggest about my alignment? Often, it depends on how I did these things, not just what I did. For example, to use my reads on players to determine my alignment, you should examine my reads themselves and figure out what that says about me. If you're still stuck, I'll put a possible answer in spoiler below. + Show Spoiler [my example] + The first point doesn't suggest anything of its own. Long filter isn't really alignment indicative, especially this early in the game. However, you can see that I have been attempting (only somewhat successfully) to further the discussion in this game, which is slightly towny. My long post isn't alignment indicative. I wrote half of it after knowing my alignment, but I was planning on doing it before, anyway. Perhaps a very good tone reader could read me based on my post, but even that is doubtful. I can't judge my own reads. Obviously I agree with them, but Damdred seems to disagree and says that they make me scummy. This is widely open to interpretation. The Shining commented on my missing one of his jokes, and said that this suggested meant I was a scum lean. This is an example of something that isn't normally important, but can be used to try and make a read. And the end result is up to how much you weigh your answers to all of these different points. Which again, is based on what you feel is important and what isn't. The Shining and Damdred both conclude that I am scummy, to some degree. | ||
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On April 20 2015 00:32 Damdred wrote: Okay, Damdred. Now that LightningStrike has answered, what is your answer?What do you think of truffle ignoring me ls And Bill Murray, could you please provide a reason for your vote? | ||
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On April 20 2015 01:17 Bill Murray wrote: First, because you are wrong and I am town. Voting without explanation is really bad because if you are wrong (people are wrong very often in mafia), you aren't open to discussion. So you're intentionally limiting yourself from information you could have.i dont give reasoning to scum why would that help the town? you would only be able to adapt better. Second, and more importantly, because other people here are town, regardless of my alignment. And everyone needs to be able to figure out your alignment, which can't be done if you don't provide reasons for your votes. Anyway, I need to head out now. | ||
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On April 20 2015 01:28 Bill Murray wrote: So because I'm trying to drive the game forward, I am scum?my reasoning is that 1) he is trying to scumandeer the game a. this could be as town, referred to as spotlighting b. this could be as scum, which i think it is here 2) he ends the RQS early a. this is hypocritical of him given his last post (where he assaults me for stifling information) b. his head is up his own ass regarding this which is a reason he is cancerous and toxic to the town (big posts suck) 3) for having spotlighted, he is already giving excuses a. he said he had to go before b. he actually STUCK AROUND to see if anyone said anything about him before saying he had to go again TL:DR don't be apologetic if you're spotlighting. You realize that someone already said that they liked my early post. If they are town, it already had some benefit. I did need to go, I went to get lunch. Then I came back. I care enough about this game to check up on it between eating lunch and leaving again, and why does that make me scum? I don't see where this conclusion comes from. However, I can easily see this reasoning coming from (misguided) town, especially since you mentioned my tone in one post that makes you less sure of your read on me. On April 20 2015 01:30 Damdred wrote: Damdred, there's a very good reason why I haven't been interacting with you. It's because I'm tunneled on you currently, and have been since basically the start of the game. My tunnels are usually bad and obstructive to town, so I'm trying to clear my mind. I've been heavily analyzing your play and your meta, and I won't scumread you until I'm absolutely sure. I would rather not share my reasons for being suspicious of you at this time, but they do have some validity.... Trfel I've made several posts toward you. One in particular about bou read you did. And you never responded towards that. Also you feel like you are forcing the New players into town reading you by using all of the null helpful stuff. So yea, you aren't playing really town sided atm just Trfel siding to me. As for my guide for newbies and stuff, It's not meant to get myself townread. That was a joke (included partially to be a talking point, for which it has succeeded). I've stated multiple times previously that I started my post before I knew my alignment, and therefore it isn't alignment indicative. On April 20 2015 01:30 Bill Murray wrote: And this is a terrible idea.PS I'm Vanilla Townie and we need a massclaim in all likelihood. If scum don't CC power roles we will likely have around a 60% chance to win On April 20 2015 04:06 Bourneq wrote: I'm known for making excessively long posts. This game, I kind of wanted to make an extremely long post right at the start of the game, just because I felt it would be fun. I believe that I mentioned this to LightningStrike a few days before the game started, but I could be wrong on that.Because this is a different trfel than from the last game I just came from where he was town. And making a huge post like that and trying hard to look like town seems forced and not genuine, like it comes from a scum perspective. It could be motivated from both alignments as I've stated before but I am getting a scummy vibe. I can easily provide quotes from previous games supporting my normal long posts if necessary. Rsoultin and Artanis, in particular, are well aware of my tendency for long posts and over-explaining things. On April 20 2015 04:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I agree, the thread activity isn't very high. I was trying my best to drive things forward, but it seems that people don't really want me to do that. I can push the thread once I start being more townread, until then someone else needs to step up.It just doesn't seem like it's going to be high activity. It's kind of a disheartening start but maybe it's just because it's the weekend. W/e. Damdred, could you please answer this question for me? It would be very helpful towards my read on you. On April 20 2015 01:09 Trfel wrote: Okay, Damdred. Now that LightningStrike has answered, what is your answer? | ||
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On April 20 2015 05:45 Onegu wrote: I'm almost thinking that posting an instant town read (one minute after my post) on the most suspected player in the thread with no other reasons provided is so unexpected that scum wouldn't do it.BOOM Trfel Townread But then again, I might be getting pocketed. I'm leaning towards the former, but any thoughts? | ||
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On April 20 2015 05:50 Onegu wrote: But I didn't share anything that actually drives the thread forward. I shared, in order:ehhh maybe not. but probrobly just read your scum game and you are capable of making huge posts as scum, but I agree with your thoughts.
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On April 20 2015 05:53 Onegu wrote: I see, that makes a lot more sense.Im scum reading Bill Murrey who is trying to lynch you for being active. And being a town leader. I doubt its a bus and your posts are active enough and even though I just went and looked up your only scum game and saw you are capable of posting huge lines of text as scum also I will keep my town read on you. I kind of feel that reading Bill Murray is a bit complex at this time. But first, I think we all need a question answered (and since he probably wouldn't answer me, could someone else please ask this as well?): Bill Murray, why do you think that town would have a 60% chance of winning if both power roles claimed immediately and scum did not counterclaim? And why specifically should the cop claim? | ||
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On April 20 2015 06:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Starting once I get back from my concert tonight, I am willing and (somewhat) able to attempt to lead town and actually get some discussion going. I can do so if that is what people would like.Thank god Trfel is taking up the mantle of town leader because I really don't want to do it right now. On April 20 2015 06:08 Onegu wrote: I'm not currently voting for him because I'm not sure. His blue hunting is simply a bad play for town. But, I'd like to give him a chance to explain his statements first.Why arent more people voting Bill Murray currently? I'm also not sure that mafia would want to blue hunt so openly like that. They clearly look terrible for doing so, would the (slim) chance that a blue actually claims be worth the risk? I know that Bill Murray also played most of his games back when setup and power roles were discussed far more than they are now. The Shining is quite likely to be town here. His analysis is spot on, and his activity is also good. On April 20 2015 06:29 The Shining wrote: Yes, this is precisely it (I included the EBWOP). Thanks.Maybe he should answer but it looks to me like he wants you to answer the question you asked LS. What did you make of Trfel ignoring you? | ||
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But it's WIFOM, and unless you can interpret it better than me, not alignment indicative in and of itself. What is more important is how I said it, and the reasoning behind it. On April 20 2015 06:32 Damdred wrote: Of course I've read your posts, Damdred. Several times.I think it's pretty obvious honestly. And if people claim to be super tunneled on me then they had to read my posts yea? I'm assuming that you are suspicious of me because (until recently) I didn't comment on you at all? | ||
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On April 20 2015 06:39 The Shining wrote: Only Onegu was suspicious of Bill Murray at the time that I posted that.Actually. Bolded. When did you become more suspected than the guy whose only posts want a mass claim and bluehunting? Meanwhile, Damdred, Bill Murray, and you (The Shining) were suspicious of me. I still don't think that Bill Murray's supposed bluehunting is that important, at least until I get my question answered and get to look at his meta. | ||
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