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On March 19 2015 04:20 Trfel wrote: Why not just put all the townies masoned together? We are. It's called a "thread".  | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:03 Trfel wrote: ![[image loading]](http://fullyillustrated.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/fully-illustrated-devil.jpg) There are people in this town who seek to destroy your hopes and dreams. By day, they manipulate and coerce you into doing their bidding. By night, they silently approach your homes and then kill you without mercy. Only a cruel, stone-cold, heartless person could live in this manner. We are the mafia. You cannot win. If you have a power role, please state it here, and you might be killed less painfully. I believe it. | ||
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Actually I'm going to take a very counter intuitive stance. Due to the semi-closed role set up in the OP, I believe there are multiple towns in this game. | ||
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Dota time for now. :D | ||
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Calling HF and probably palmar town. | ||
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On March 19 2015 09:59 sicklucker wrote: BUT I WAS MODKILLED TWICE IN LIKE 24-48 HOURS AT THE END OF DAY1 ONCE AS EACH ALIGNMENT. I barely remember either game all I remember dandred tunneled me on both and the entire game was fixated on me. Anyway ill just solve this game on day2 again like last time. Im getting some weird vibes from superbia. In my first mafia game I think I recall him doing some town claim at the start let me look it up. He also has not posted anything of value Lol. Idk about the case on you but you don't want to go down this path. | ||
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On March 19 2015 10:00 Eden1892 wrote: he tried to play it off like he didn't know what my godread on rsoultin was about (he does) but he tried to do so by claiming not to have played games with us (he did) and then he tried to justify it by saying that he wasn't town and doesn't read games when he's mafia (he was town) RSO, confirm? | ||
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It looks like you're doing something. But you're not really doing anything. | ||
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On March 19 2015 10:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm getting bad feels from this post. The dumbtell part feels forced like he's super aware of what he's doing. Now what? Why are you just sitting on this? On March 19 2015 10:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote: This is gonna sound really dumb but I think Superbia and Trfel are never going to be mafia together. This is just not something you repeat as mafia when another mafia's asked it already and especially after I called Superb out on his tone for it. This feels like you felt like you had to do something with the pretty empty poke you just posted. | ||
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Ya but the shit I just posted actually implies him as being mafia. | ||
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On March 19 2015 10:11 Trfel wrote: Why 4 or 5? Because those are (to the best of my knowledge) the only possibilities. Superbia's only answer was 7, and I don't think that is true. The recent Titanic mafia was 17 players, with one third party, so 16 players. There were 4 mafia. I believe the standard large games (Carol of the Bells, Imperial Mafia, for example) have 5 mafia. Thus, I expect this game to have 4 or 5 mafia. I'm asking because I feel that it is helpful to know how many mafia are in the game. Maybe you disagree, but I would like to know. And I don't have enough experience to really know if there would be 4 or 5 mafia, especially not compared to many of the players in this game. Why the fuck did you feel the need to justify your question to this degree? | ||
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On March 19 2015 10:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote: What do you want me to do with a tone read? You haven't posted anything I wanted to dig in further yet. Your second sentence is simply your own narrative and nonsense. Then why did you feel the need to post it? It may very well be my own narrative, and it very well may be nonsense. But it also might not be. Awesome. | ||
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What townie would feel the need to type out a whole post regarding this? Why even feel the need to justify it? Doesn't sit right with me. | ||
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On March 19 2015 10:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote: So that other people may pick up on it, and see if they agree/disagree. Since no one else commented on it, it seems I'm on my own in that tone read. I also post anything that comes to mind that I believe could be useful in case you haven't noticed. Eh. Fair enough. I'm probably going to regret not pushing on this during post-game. But whatever. We'll see how your day progresses. | ||
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On March 19 2015 10:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I have absolutely no faith in ever reading SL so I just hope blues will deal with him. Pretend it came from me. | ||
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On March 19 2015 10:24 Trfel wrote: Look, I seem to be commonly scumread. And fine, it's warranted. Give me a chance to read the thread in detail, and actually provide thoughts. As in, I'll actually play the game correctly this time. Don't scumread me until I finish and share serious thoughts, okay? If you want a meta reason not to scumread me, last game, Mini Mafia Down Under 2, I trolled for nearly the entire game. I'm giving you a 30m pass. Enjoy. | ||
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On March 19 2015 10:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Anyway Superbia is probably town because when he was scum with me in Imperial he was completely god forsaken useless and if he's capable of playing like this as mafia then he's a dick. I was actually a dick that Imperial game and was completely useless to scum. My normal scum game is actually better than that one (I have fully carried a game as scum, yay!). My scum game is garbage compared to my town game, however. (imo) | ||
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On March 19 2015 10:29 Toadesstern wrote: like I just said, I have no idea what people are talking about and asked people to summarize it for me. If I am to believe what Slam just said about him lying about not remembering anything from a game he supposedly was in himself (is that what the emoticons are about?) that seems weird, as well as what Artanis just pointed out. I don't like people saying "I can't remember anything he said" like 1 hour in. If it's a lurker and it's 1 or 2 days in sure but like this that just sounds odd and like he's trying to sugarcoat. He could have just gone out of his way with balls and say "didn't read anything Artanis said so far" but didn't and instead blamed it on not remembering something.... 1 hour in. I'd like to get some name of the game people are talking about though so I don't just have to trust what I think Slam is trying to get at here so that I can pretend to read some old games, not do it after all and hastely do it like 5 hours before deadline in the end. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480042-tl-mafia-lxx-guardians-of-the-galaxy?page=29#565 | ||
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On March 19 2015 10:40 sicklucker wrote: I really hope town derps and mislynches me for terrible reasons again since my streak is over anyway so people will stop using my short term memory issues on me in everygame. Like do you guys not learn I didnt play day one and I was right about everything in that last big game artanis hosted. Like look up any town game someone accuses me of the same shit. For example that game where i was town and mod killed. Dandred did the same shit on me. look it up Hypothetically speaking, let's say that you have a hypothetical scum QT with hypothetical scum team mates. In this purely hypothetical world, who would your team mates be? | ||
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Sick. Can you relink me to this hypothetical QT? I seem to have misplaced the link. | ||
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Let's see what Superbia's god-read scanner says about his alignment: + Show Spoiler + TWON | ||
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On March 19 2015 10:50 Fecalfeast wrote: Easy to soul read me when you know the mafia team already. Not impressed It takes skill to know the entire mafia team half-way through d1, though. | ||
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On March 19 2015 10:51 Fecalfeast wrote: Hey, the ability to navigate a webpage like quicktopic is totally a skill, you're right. Way to be skilled Why you calling me mafai? ;; | ||
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On March 19 2015 10:52 Trfel wrote: I think there's a very reasonable chance it's a joke. Though of course you are right that if Eden is in fact a miller, he wouldn't know. Claiming unaware miller is something I was planning on doing eventually. Actually, I would have done that this game, but I forgot and claimed mafia instead. Why are you defending trfel? What are you with my TWO(!) 30m passes? | ||
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You asked him twice to give his reads. No other thoughts on them? | ||
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On March 19 2015 11:00 Eden1892 wrote: i can't believe i just lost to white weenies and a 4-color jank mill combo back-to-back. fucking deck just hates me rn what'd i miss What format? What deck your running? | ||
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On March 19 2015 11:01 Eden1892 wrote: standard, abzan aggro variance is just Ravaging me today Abzan aggro. Way to be original. >: | | ||
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On March 19 2015 11:00 Holyflare wrote: that's the funny thing superbia, if i had a thought about them it would be in the thread already You still think he's mafia though, rite? | ||
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On March 19 2015 11:03 Eden1892 wrote: i opened my first 6 packs in december and found 3 windswept heaths abzan was my destiny You're disgusting. 3 fetches in 6 packs? I want to lynch you. Kinda. | ||
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On March 19 2015 11:06 Fecalfeast wrote: Do either of you guys want to buy like 10000+ disorganized cards dating from planeshift until about theros? Rares uncommons commons lands all of it Do you have a portal to the Netherlands? :D | ||
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On March 19 2015 11:04 Eden1892 wrote: oh don't worry it's all gone downhill from there RNG is just. | ||
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On March 19 2015 11:09 Fecalfeast wrote: I mean if you can do some form of summoning I am 25% dutch. + Show Spoiler + no I don't speak any dutch or know anything about holland Hoi, hoe is het? | ||
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On March 19 2015 11:11 Fecalfeast wrote: aw thanks. Did you and super discuss these townreads in your qt? I'm not in his qt. | ||
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On March 19 2015 11:14 Eden1892 wrote: superbia isn't my qt ;; | ||
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On March 19 2015 11:14 Toadesstern wrote: gg, I'm kind of known for making walls of texts when they're not needed. But I will now focus 100% of my mental capacity to make sure I don't post more than 2 lines per post. That is all. Take this free townread! | ||
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On March 19 2015 11:17 Toadesstern wrote: wat? Are you reading him as mafia because he's usually doing what you're talking about as mafia? the joke was that I said I'm concentrating 100% to make it only 2 lines only to have it be 3 lines if a stupid "that is all" at the end I only take whitespace into account. Looked like a two liner to me! | ||
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On March 19 2015 11:17 sicklucker wrote: Well If I were mafia I already said slam would bus me. Dandred is weird for not tunneling me. Palmer, artanis and toad seem to be ignoring me HF is ignoring you. What you think about that? | ||
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He hasn't said a word about your list even though he specifically asked for it. In fact, no one really commented about your "reads". You really don't seem to care, however. You know what happens when a townie's reads get ignored? That townie gets mad. | ||
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On March 19 2015 11:31 sicklucker wrote: Scumteam is like dandred, slam ,super toad, palmer .maybe eden This team is probably 1 FF away from the worst scum team nomination of 2015. | ||
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On March 19 2015 11:55 Trfel wrote: Ok, I need to go to sleep. Leaning town on rsoultin, Eden, and Alakaslam so far. Holyflare would also be a townlean, but I'm not sure what to make of his early interactions with Alakaslam, once I finish reading I'll probably ask a few questions to get this sorted out. Sicklucker could very well be scum, but I have some reasons for doubt. Notably that he's been more active, and the point that Toadesstern brought up about one of the reasons he is being scumread actually being not alignment indicative. I need to look into sicklucker more tomorrow. That's it? | ||
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So, Damdred. Our reads have lined up pretty well, as can be told from my filter. We both had HF and Palmar as town early on. And Damdred had SL and trfel as scum. I was burying SL pretty hard yesterday (admittedly, maybe a bit too hard, but let's see what he brings today) and I was pushing on trfel, who you had as scum and according to your filter, were very unsure of. How is me pushing on trfel a scummy thing when you were leaning scum on him around the same time? Why isn't the thought process "well, I was scum-leaning on trfel as well, so I guess I can see where he's coming from"? Instead it is "trfel is town. Super pushed on him in a "dickish" way. He must be mafia". What? This doesn't line up at all with what is supposed to be your thought process. Why do we have similar reads if I'm mafia? Why am I burying SL so hard if, according to your world, we're mafia together? Btw. I was never angry. That is such fabricated nonsense. | ||
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On March 19 2015 22:51 Vivax wrote: Saying you're angry didn't come from me. However your approach to questioning people does seem overly intonated, so to say, without a followup that reflects the same mood. Briefly summarized, which looks like you try to make your posts sound more meaningful than your followup suggests it is to you. Here's an example: After yours and Eden's post on Trfel HF and Artanis disagreed with the two of you. You rescinded, yet your focus seems to be almost entirely on Trfel for the scumclaim, as you call him out for defending Eden post-miller-fakeclaim. It's like you decided that the scumclaim made him look bad and then decided to keep going after him for other reasons. All the while you seem to not want to give Eden a read (unless I missed something?) even though you both mindmelded on Trfel, he fakeclaimed miller and later you asked why people are voting for him, so clearly you're thinking something about Eden you didn't tell to the thread yet. So, what would your read on Eden be? I like to put emotions in my posts, especially if they're short. This is not really alignment indicative (if any it's more indicative of my townplay). This: [quote]Briefly summarized, which looks like you try to make your posts sound more meaningful than your followup suggests it is to you.[/unquote] is a whole bunch of wat to me. I'm not even sure what alignment your mindset is to reach this conclusion. I do like to blend in jokes and serious questions from time to time, but does that make me mafia? I sincerely doubt it. If anything, I would be more consistently serious as mafia. This is about as best an answer you're going to get from me on this. I rescinded on Trfel because I obviously read the context of his answer wrong. I saw a whole bunch of text analyzing and justifying how many mafia are in the game according to him, and my alarm bells went off instantly and I acted upon it. When I first read the post I actually thought he was justifying asking how many mafia were in the game. With the whole trfel defending eden thing I was only partially considering eden (for a slight moment), but I was more curious as to why trfel felt the need to defend eden at that point in time. It felt like it could be mafia trying to score some easy townpoints or something. Felt kinda off to me. Also, Eden is town. | ||
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On March 19 2015 22:49 Damdred wrote: I do love it when people get upset towards me and call me scum when I put them in my scum lost this early. It gives me warm tinglies It doesn't line up. You should be reading me town purely based on us having similar reads throughout the game. The fact that you don't know this but are still willing to call me mafia is alarming. | ||
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On March 19 2015 23:14 Vivax wrote: Super what I don't get is your opinion on the fake miller claim at the time. If you found it scummy then it warrants that question to Trfel, but judging from your posting you didn't even deem it comment-worthy. You jump at Trfel for suggesting that the claim is a joke even though for you that didn't seem to be an issue. Did you at any point in time think that Eden was mafia who made a blooper when fakeclaiming? I disagree. I think it was interesting, but I could see the fake-claim coming from either alignment. I thought trfel's hard defense was much more interesting. I was wondering why he was willing to defend eden like that. In retrospect I actually completely forgot about it. Looking at his filter now it seems like he seemed unsure about eden prior to FF bringing up the fake claim. Which makes the hard defend more strange. Trfel, any input on this? Also I hesistated on Eden for a slight moment when FF came out with the info, as I said before. As it stands, I think my town read on Eden still holds somewhat solid. | ||
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On March 19 2015 23:25 Vivax wrote: Then why call Trfel out and call his post a defense when he simply shared your own opinion? Gotcha What? | ||
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On March 19 2015 23:49 Vivax wrote: Anyway I gtg. Some good soul explain to super why he's scum in the meantime. No. You're going to explain to me in person why I'm mafia. | ||
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On March 19 2015 23:54 rsoultin wrote: nope lol eden's good at reading my tone xP almost completely because he coached me and then the next 3 games we rolled together one of us was scum in all honesty though, i'm probably one of the easiest tonereads in the game when people don't get too paranoid about me lol which is why i take a lot longer to read eden than the other way around Are you serious? Like you guys were softing it so fucking hard. | ||
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On March 20 2015 00:02 rsoultin wrote: and you caaaare (or think we'd be behaving this way in-thread) becaaaauuuuse? like seriously why is this even important to you? lol i've also started talking to truffle and LS as if they're basically confirmed town cause in my mind they are maybe i'm a mason with them too >> world of masons! Because I read you both as town because I thought you were masons. Eden is probably still town for sharing my thoughts, but I'm still somewhat unsure about you. | ||
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On March 20 2015 00:09 rsoultin wrote: don't care what you think xP lol but that makes sense as to why you'd care about us being masons i kinda like viva's point on you btw...but i don't think it necessarily makes you scum, just makes Viva observant. truffle is The Naysayer as town. it's actually one of several things that has me townreading him lol I agree that Vivax is probably town. Kinda dumb, but town. I'm looking at the people jumping onto his case: rayn and damdred. | ||
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Damdred I have elaborated upon. Probably my most likely scum at this moment? SL is kind of meh at the moment. I remember at some point going "definitely scum" around the time he posted his list and mentally reminding myself not to flip on him. Essentially, I feel like his posts have been rather emotionless, while I have SL mentally noted down as an emotional player. Need to re-evaluate, I feel. So the conundrum is that there is now a scum-read triangle (again, iirc) between SL, damdred, and myself. Essentially, each of us is reading the other two as scummy. I am relatively convinced that there is at least 1 scum between the 2 (SL and damdred), but for some reason I don't think both of them are scum. | ||
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On March 20 2015 10:18 rsoultin wrote: mmm i read it...and i don't even necessarily disagree that there may be scum in that triangle, but i dunnae. like yesterday i was getting a townie feel from damdy...(it's normal for him to just post reads as he goes until he latches onto something solid, usually after day 1 or at the very least not until close to the end of it, so y'all are high on that count xP) and a scummy feel from sl. since then damdy has dropped a little and sl has risen a touch...though i'd still say sicklucker has the best chance of the two flipping scum you...eh your posting irritates me this game so i'm reserving judgment xP the tone is grating which makes me predisposed to scumread you lol for no reason other than your tone grates on my nerves. mean of me to say, i know, but true ^^ Eh, I can't help it. Just the way I post, I guess? IDK. Maybe Damdred is the lazy town. I just feel very deeply and pretty strongly that he's the hidden mafia. | ||
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On March 20 2015 10:22 rsoultin wrote: i need to revisit his filter. his thoughts were generally lining up with mine yesterday though is the thing :/ lol it may be the way you post. i don't remember always having a problem with it? regardless, it's not important right now Yeah, that's the thing that bothers me though, interestingly enough. I was townreading him d1 as well because our thoughts lined up. But somehow he scum-reads me? Even though it's pretty clear our circles are somewhat similar. I don't think a player likes damdred does that if he's town. | ||
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On March 20 2015 10:39 Damdred wrote: I'm seemingly going to dominate the conversation for a hit perhaps. not lazy town if you said your time would be shorter than normal before game started so there is that to consider. This whole mess about me scum reading someone who I seemingly agree with on reads (two separate individuals now) is honestly stupid. Scum have perfect information and can legitimately throw town reads out so that circles match bus so scum reads match etc., it is insane to think that just because you have the same reads as someone that they are town without looking more into them. Your tone is different from your town game super, to me it sounds like you are angry/dicky towards certain people-shrug- its day one and I've barely done anything yet just because no need to yet and time is stressed. Now on the brighter side of the mafia world breahkes post read pretty genuine and his confussion on the SL town read and the way he's taking the scum read seem pretty good to me. I want to see a bit more bit perhaps not a good lynch anymor I'm pretty sure I'm always somewhat asshole-ish towards the people I think are scum. I haven't been angry at all this game though. I believe Rayn was the first to call me out on that and it's completely fabricated. Be honest, damdred, did you read my filter prior to calling me scum? | ||
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On March 20 2015 11:29 Damdred wrote: Super why are you scum reading me so intensity for scum reading you but ignore vivax scum read on you when he's only focused on you? I had you as leaning town for having similar reads, so when you sheeped the read alarm bells started going off. To be quite honest, I still don't 100% understand Vivax's read on me. It did kind of feel town, I don't really think like mafia would try to fight me. idk. | ||
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On March 20 2015 11:38 Eden1892 wrote: so if mafia don't fight you then why are you scumreading damdred who's more actively engaging you than vivax Damdred felt like he was hopping on. IIRC he said something like "I'd be okay with lynching Super today". That kind of weak jumpon is exactly something I would expect from mafia. | ||
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When Vivax started his dumb tunnel on me I was annoyed, but I thought that Vivax was probably dumb town for doing it. The general tone of his posts felt sort of townie. I looked at him and the people jumping on expecting 1-2 mafia to jump on the wagon. I disliked rayn and damd's jump, so I looked at them. I probably town-read Vivax a bit too quickly looking back (I just barely woke up). Hopefully he contributes more content to the game in the remainder of this day. | ||
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On March 20 2015 12:13 Damdred wrote: Why are you still town reading vivax then if you think you did it to fast? Why give him such a long leash and yet throw scum on me even though I was somewhat asked about you. This post also lacks a sorta conclusion which is weird meh Atm I'm not hard town reading him. I have him leaning town but kinda null since you're moving up a little. | ||
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On March 20 2015 12:26 Eden1892 wrote: why does damdred moving up affect vivax moving down? It just kinda does in my mind. From my perspective it would be likely for at least one scum to push on me there. | ||
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On March 20 2015 12:29 Eden1892 wrote: also: if your most likely scum at the time is Damdred why is your vote on sicklucker and why do you never vote Damdred? Why is this relevant? It's not EoD and my reads are not set in stone yet. Chances are I'm not changing my vote until EoD. | ||
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On March 20 2015 12:34 Eden1892 wrote: just seems like you would actually vote your primary suspect no? especially when 3 other people were already doing it Meh? I still like the SL lynch. | ||
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On March 20 2015 12:47 Eden1892 wrote: more than your top scumread at the time who was also a viable wagon ??? I just woke up at that point? I don't think he was my top scum at the time. | ||
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On March 20 2015 12:58 Eden1892 wrote: you woke up 3 hours ago? No? I thought you were talking about my initial post regarding damdred. | ||
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On March 20 2015 13:00 Eden1892 wrote: i quoted your post from 3 hrs ago in the first place where you called damdred top scum while calling sl "kind of meh" and saying you "need to re-evaluate" and it certainly matters cause it doesn't really indicate to me that damdred is your top scum. it's pretty clearly contradictory and i want to understand why the contradiction exists Notice the question mark after I call him my top scum. | ||
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On March 20 2015 13:07 Eden1892 wrote: weak on damdred: "probably my most likely scum?" on sicklucker: "kind of meh at the moment" on both: "relatively convinced there is at least 1 scum between the 2, but for some reason i don't think both are scum" vote is on sicklucker while there's a significant damdred wagon i don't understand how you can type all 3 of those things and not conclude to yourself that damdred is mafia I haven't checked every filter in the game yet. I don't have a read on everyone yet. Hence I don't know what team of 5 I'm supposed to look for yet. | ||
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On March 20 2015 13:14 Eden1892 wrote: no my argument is that what you're saying is inconsistent and i don't understand why please explain why you don't conclude that damdred is mafia from the 3 statements i summarized from your post which (i would think) should clearly lead you to conclude that I'm posting my thoughts. I said I thought Damdred was mafia. People who I read townie said I needed to re-evaluate on Damdred. Damdred started posting. His posting seemed like it could come from a townie mindset. Now Damdred is null, slightly leaning mafia. Yeah? | ||
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On March 20 2015 13:15 Eden1892 wrote: afaik nothing i'm saying here depends on anybody but sicklucker and damdred so i'm not really understanding why you need to be looking for a specific team of 5 to answer this query By the end of the day I prefer to look at the bigger picture rather than single out individuals. I want to see if the person I'm voting for fits in a mafia circle. Is there a universal wagon? How are the other people I'm reading scummy interacting with this individual? Etc, etc. | ||
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On March 20 2015 13:21 Eden1892 wrote: superbia. follow me here man. you're not answering the question. at the time you posted, before anyone could give you feedback on damdred: you said "damdred is probably my best pick for scum?" you also said "sicklucker is kind of meh" you also said "i think there is 1 mafia between them but not 2" given these things why do you not conclude damdred is clearly mafia and sicklucker is not? Because I was and still am not completely sure on either of them. | ||
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On March 20 2015 13:24 Eden1892 wrote: ok, i kinda understand the logic here, but i feel like you have to start by finding individuals. and frankly i'm a little worried that this process excuses you from finding individuals I do find individuals and I do start at individuals, but I usually don't make any final conclusions until EoD where I evaluate the whole day and see how it works out. | ||
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On March 20 2015 13:25 Eden1892 wrote: you said you were "relatively certain" though. :/ And then you guys told me "nono, damd is town" and it's like, whatever, I guess I'll re-evaluate? Though I may just say fuck you guys and still read him mafia tomorrow, we'll see. | ||
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On March 20 2015 13:33 Eden1892 wrote: okay, this is the second time you've made the same logic error. i will explain again. if you make it a third time i will be forced to assume it's deliberate and respond accordingly. all of the following statements were contained in one post: - "damdred is probably my best pick for scum?" - "sicklucker is kind of meh" - "i am relatively certain 1 of them is scum, but i don't think both are" because these were all contained in one post, no one could have given input in-between any of these statements to change your relative certainty that one of them is scum. so taking this at face value, i do not understand why it is that you: - don't firmly conclude damdred is mafia - don't conclude that sicklucker isn't mafia - don't move your vote please explain why this inconsistency exists Because you think all of these are absolute truths inside my mind. For example, I don't think it's 100% that there's 1 and only 1 between them. This is just a feeling that I got from the interactions between them. It might still be wrong, since damdred later on seemed to re-evaluate SL's alignment. Indicating that he still might be mafia preparing for the bus but hopping off after people seemed to start evaluating SL's alignment. | ||
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On March 20 2015 13:34 Eden1892 wrote: i was gonna get salty at not getting an answer but this is actually hella legit you better have a good answer when you come back tho. and pics of the eclipse You're literally an asshole. But whatever, it's like 4 hours away. Not going to get much sleep either way. | ||
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On March 20 2015 13:40 Eden1892 wrote: i said pics because i wanted to see the eclipse and i can't cuz i'm a bajillion miles away Will you sheep my EoD vote if I provide these pics? o: | ||
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On March 20 2015 13:41 LightningStrike wrote: So Eden what you think of Superbia after talking with him? What do you think of either of us after these interactions? That's a way more interesting question than the one you posed. Like this literally makes no sense. It's very clear that Eden is now unclear about my alignment and is still evaluating my answers. | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:04 Toadesstern wrote: Drax the vig, the easiest role in the game to fakeclaim as mafia. Who would have though. Really convenient, isn't it? What? Rofl. This is the dumbest thing ever. Vig is the WORST thing to claim as mafia. Because other vig will just counterclaim and shoot the mafia. | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:09 Toadesstern wrote: No? We don't even know if a townvig exists. The counterclaim can be said for any role. He just picked the one that's the easiest to fake as mafia. So mafia just takes the risk that there's no vig in this game and risks potentially losing 2 mafia after N1? What's the thought process here exactly? | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:12 VisceraEyes wrote: It says exact number isn't known - there could be 4 drax and nothing else for all we know. Likely? Nah. But possible based on the info in the OP. Ugh. A second drax would kind of fuck this up. I'm not sure how to resolve that situation correctly at this point. | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: tracker You are hard claiming Irani Rael? | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:21 Vivax wrote: No. I'm surely not going to bet on that, that would be really stupid and actually allows this situation to go unresolved for the rest of the game. Solve it now. Me or Toad it doesn't matter but he has to die now or later. I vehemently disagree. I think we need to evaluate either of you independently of the claim. Does mafia really claim vig here? Does mafia really CC vig? I honestly don't see either as likely. | ||
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I'm not going to lie, I don't even understand your case on me. Like why it makes me scum. Whatever. Just start townreading me so we can work together, okay? | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: you said i am scum for reading the same people scum than you do (SL and Damdred), when i didn't even read SL scum, and YOU read Damdred mafia AFTER i did. It's a logical inconsistancy. But it's for D2. Well this is awkward, I think I might've confused parts damdred's filter with yours or something. I was sure you were reading SL as scum, but looking back you didn't. What. | ||
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Is it??? This exact fucking scenario happened in another game I was in and I remembering people shouting at the end of the game that it was town's fault for assuming there are only a single instance of that role. It was 2 Roleblockers CCing eachother d1. They were both town. They were both RB. | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:46 VisceraEyes wrote: Meeeehhhhhhhhhhhhh.......... I don't know what to do. I feel like this situation could resolve itself in the night though. Is everyone against that? It's not resolving in the night. I went over the scenarios in my head real quick, but mafia RB fucks night resolution over pretty hard I think. | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:53 Palmar wrote: rayn highlighting all the townies, cool! Not sure Toad is town though rayn. ??? | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:55 LightningStrike wrote: I keeping my vote on Vivax because of Toad's counterclaim like why would Mafia!Toad would ever counterclaim and I going to finish watching the European LCS. What kind of evaluation is this? Why are you so uninterested in this situation? | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: bcz he is scum what do you think? oh i forgot.... Honestly? I think they're both town and that at least 2 mafia is lurking right now. I think LS is very likely among the lurking mafia. | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:16 Fecalfeast wrote: We should lynch LS I think I'm a 100% on board. I would be okay with Breshke or SL as well. Bad, bad feelings. | ||
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I feel like he would've done more and he should've been around. He flipped on SL right after the SL wagon crashed (I feel) and has generally done fuck all. I feel like he's around right now lurking. | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:20 Vivax wrote: And Super. I think he was even the first to come up with the idea of us being two townies. Are you calling me mafia for saying that I think both of you are town? | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:24 Vivax wrote: Yes. Cause if it's true it means you are very likely to have extra information. If it's true that is. Tomorrow it's all going to be about Toad. Similar situation occurred in another game. I don't see why either of you would claim or CC vig here as mafia. | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:24 Toadesstern wrote: If that's the case Vivax will flip mafiaVig He would risk mafia kp by claiming vig? Why? | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:27 Holyflare wrote: Just give it a night, we force the vigs to shoot our own targets or they claim mafia. If they don't it's free mafia. Mafia just "RB" the vig shooting mafia and let the town shot go through. This only works if we 100% find two mafia to fire upon. | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:30 Holyflare wrote: Who the fuck cares get rid of peripheral shit people doing nothing I'd be okay with this. I have literally no read on BM though. Can we default back to SL? Or maybe go on LS? | ||
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Why the hell are you so eager to switch? | ||
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I like HF's plan of letting Vigi(s) do whatever the fuck they want tonight. Maybe we confirm one, maybe we force mafia's hand in roleblocking a Vigi over a RB. | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:58 Superbia wrote: Like you're one of the only people I don't dislike on that wagon atm Palmar. I like HF's plan of letting Vigi(s) do whatever the fuck they want tonight. Maybe we confirm one, maybe we force mafia's hand in roleblocking a Vigi over a RB. Eh, the tracker* Not "a RB". | ||
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On March 21 2015 07:00 Palmar wrote: if you think the wagon is bad, you should be voting the other. we're lynching one of them or the other tonight. I don't really care which one. It makes more sense that Vivax is the mafia, but Toad made a bad play if he's town so I'm fine with lynching him too. It's still possible that they're both town. I like HF's play. Let Vigi(s) do what they want, if mafia RB a vigi the tracker gets free reign, otherwise vigi(s) can confirm themselves (probably). | ||
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On March 21 2015 07:04 Trfel wrote: Uh, what? First of all, I'm not convinced that raynpelikoneet's claim is truthful. Second, let's imagine it is truthful, and the vigilantes are both still alive, and raynpelikoneet wasn't roleblocked. I don't see how this helps us at all? Please explain. If rayn is not roleblocked and not dead by tomorrow, he's giving us information. Information mafia is unlikely to risk if he's town. He's un-cced tracker. If he's mafia they can't roleblock the vigi (or one of both) and claim it for himself because it essentially creates a hard different check between the two. | ||
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On March 21 2015 07:09 Trfel wrote: Ok, let's imagine that mafia roleblocks the town vigilante. If the tracker tracks the roleblocked vigilante, then town gets no information. If the tracker tracks the mafia, then as long as that mafia isn't carrying KP (reasonable assumption), then they won't get anything from that either. If mafia is not putting rb or kp (kp is riskier due to probable medic in setup) on a tracker (assuming that he is), it is a huge risk for mafia, as he can essentially solve a big part of the game by himself. If mafia plays it safe they allow the vigi situation to resolve during the night. I say let's put the ball in mafia's court. I have plenty of others I want to lynch outside of the two vigi wagons. | ||
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On March 21 2015 07:14 Toadesstern wrote: I am going to kick and scream for the rest of the game if you don't lynch Vivax right now You'll be alive? Interesting. | ||
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Do you think rayn is the real tracker? | ||
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On March 21 2015 07:19 Holyflare wrote: Stop voting claims jesus. If kp was reduced on vigis when more people joined it could be 2 vigis. We SORT IT OUT AT NIGHT AND MAKE PLANS. D2 is discussion day. Today we lynch the guy that has done nothing at all. Scum read edej for being 3rd vote (done as town too) un scum read him and then afk'd THE ENTIRE GAME. 3 TIMES WITHOUT RETURNING HF. Give me a small push more and I'll vote on BM. Are you familiar with his meta? Also what do you think of having a wagon on SL or LS? | ||
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On March 21 2015 07:20 Breshke wrote: I'd be willing to lynch LS aswell simply because i don't feel like he is trying to work out these claims I like where you are at. | ||
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On March 21 2015 07:29 Holyflare wrote: Nobody cares about your petty shitty vig claim fight. There's loads of mafia let's kill them Are you going to strongarm this BM lynch? I've asked multiple times regarding an SL or an LS wagon. Whatever. It's your fault if BM flips town though. | ||
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On March 21 2015 07:30 Holyflare wrote: If you overcome your egos for 5 seconds and discuss my plan we wouldn't be wasting yime here I am backing up your plan. | ||
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Where the fuck are SL and LS at? Also Slam? | ||
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On March 21 2015 07:36 Vivax wrote: You scumread LS and SL as well? Cause in the team I'll be posting pre-death they're both included. Pretty much at this point. | ||
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On March 21 2015 07:37 Vivax wrote: And I forgot Damdred as another possibility. Yeah, idk. | ||
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On March 21 2015 07:44 Palmar wrote: I'm behind again. What should I be doing? Give me your thoughts on SL and LS. Though it's probably a little too late now. Probably put your vote on Bill Murray. | ||
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On March 21 2015 07:53 Vivax wrote: I did the flailing already, and it's not the first time I get lynched so w/e. It gives you information from confirmed town and I delivered it. I try to save myself when I can but if it doesn't work there's still an upside. All right, I'm not changing my vote anyway, I'm committed. x: | ||
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On March 22 2015 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: I scumread you because you read on me makes zero sense baeed on what you say. I've said before that I probably confused (parts of) Damdred's filter with yours when I talked about you. I usually talk about what I recall, I only use filters when I want to look back at an exact quote. And that's still rare, I usually paraphrase from what I recall. | ||
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On March 22 2015 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's not why i am scumreading you. I am sorry if i am being a dick here for not explaining further. I just decided i would be "a dick" this game becaude noone reads what i write. It's like whatever. Just don't waste your track on me and do read my posts/reads/logic. | ||
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On March 22 2015 05:41 Holyflare wrote: well whatever i'm retroactively boycotting this game because it's not rng'd ? | ||
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All right, slam sounds like a pretty decent target at this point. What do you think about SL/LS? I know I've been shouting about them all EoD, but not much has changed (at least, not for me). Though maybe not LS because I might be shit at reading him (he always looks really mafia). I'm currently kinda looking at rso. I believe she has been leaning scum on me the entire game and has done seemingly nothing to further evaluate me. No real interaction or anything. I'm not really confident enough in calling for a vigi shot on her, however. Maybe Trfel? Whenever I see his name "may be scum" pops up in my head, but I'm not entire sure why. I don't think I've really interacted with him this game, except for maybe a few quips. I'm kind of scared of looking further at a second target tonight, since I'm reading like 3 scummy-ish people as PR. | ||
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On March 22 2015 05:56 Holyflare wrote: hmmm i'm pretty concerned about breshke and when I say pretty concerned I mean he's very likely mafia :/ I don't know. I felt like he very well may be mafia, but he seemed to have thoughts similar to mine at EoD. I'm not ready to defend him, but idk. His interaction with SL, who I think is scum, seems to indicate possible team mates. Like Breshke flips on SL (town -> mafia) as the wagon on SL comes to a full stop. Breshke is supposed to have the greatest read ever on SL (according to SL) and SL doesn't even give a shit about the flip. Hell, Breshke isn't even interested in getting SL lynched (what did he do to push the lynch?). So I guess in retrospect he may still be leaning scum. His (sort of) mindmeld at EoD confuses the fuck out of me, though. | ||
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On March 22 2015 06:02 rsoultin wrote: eh you're one of those out of sight out of mind players for me; that's why you're one of my filter review dudes There have been some pushes on me on which you haven't given any comment (afaik). Why? How do you reach a filter length of 20+ without being able to interact with people you think are scummy? | ||
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Why? I trust that you're town, but I have no idea why you would read him town. x: | ||
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I hate this sort of shit. I doesn't really help me as a player. Share your knowledge post game in pm pls. | ||
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On March 22 2015 06:06 rsoultin wrote: xP for one boyo you just made my list as of...well, posting my list, so don't act like i've been calling you scum all game when i haven't you made my list precisely because of the out of sight out of mind thing, and it was called preliminary for a reason i already said i was predisposed to scum you cause i didn't like your tone so was sitting on you, and if you hadn't noticed, my focus was on rayn and attempting to get a discussion going with vivax so...you weren't really a priority I'm pretty sure you were meh/scummyish on me for most of the game. x: Whatever, I'm re-reading filters tomorrow. | ||
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That's fine too. Though idk how healthy you'll be tomorrow. | ||
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On March 22 2015 06:19 rsoultin wrote: mmmm super...refresh my memory your scumreads are sl and ls and...who? my concern is you had them pegged by page 2 in your filter... -continues reading- I was scum-reading damd, but he said some townie things (imo). His night post also looks really nice. I was scum-reading rayn, but he claimed PR. I don't really have any other solid scum-reads at the moment. More like a lot of suspicions. Been pretty lazy. | ||
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On March 22 2015 06:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Looking at Superbia now. I forgot we already had him as confirmed mafia | ||
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On March 22 2015 06:29 Toadesstern wrote: but fuck this... You're actually making me reconsider to not shoot Onegu... I spend so much time preparing this Onegu is masoned with HF??? Are you paying attention? | ||
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On March 22 2015 06:32 rsoultin wrote: yeah, i see that lol for a bad reason your reason for rayn was slightly better so...lol umm...nvm...is the only reason you're not reading rayn scum right now the claim? Yeh. Missreading PRs as scum happens rather often. I believe his claim. | ||
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On March 22 2015 06:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Superbia can you explain your read evaluation on me? You called me scummy early in the game then never really questioned me again. It's like I fell off your radar despite being prominently present during the day and suspected by a myriad of others. IDK. I don't think you were around during the later stages while I was online except for the EoD claim-shit-fest. I kinda forgot about you. | ||
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On March 22 2015 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Did you skip the pages you were gone for or did you read the ones where I engaged VE and Eden amongst others? If you read them and you had suspicions on me before, why did you not evaluate your read? I skimmed them, mostly. I'm not going to keep an eye on every player in a 20player game, hell I don't even do that in a 13 player game. You weren't suspicious, interesting or chronologically present enough for me to keep an eye on you. Sorry. ;x | ||
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On March 24 2015 05:40 Eden1892 wrote: Got the Dromoka box at midnight Saturday ... ... ... Went on to build a Kolaghan deck and go 2-1 Any good draws? | ||
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On March 24 2015 05:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote: It's generally what people do when they claim scum. I'm actually not sure who did it first, was it Koshi? Lol. I'm not rly scum though. There's a good reason why the 2 cases on me were abandoned day 1. Though I think it's probably easy pickings for me if I reread this day. | ||
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On March 24 2015 05:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You're probably scum though because you come in joking when you're heavily suspected and other people are trying to solve the game. I don't believe that's an attitude you would take as town. Because I can't really be bothered right now. I might take the trouble in the night phase or tomorrow, but right now I really can't be bothered. Chances are I'm getting lynched anyway because a lot of people are calling me scum, and all my content will be lost (because no one in hell is going to pay attention to any will post-flip). | ||
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On March 24 2015 05:52 Eden1892 wrote: 2x Dromoka's Command 1x Dragonlord Atarka 1x Descent of Dragons 1x Ojutai, Soul of Winter 1x Necromaster Dragon 2x Roast All I really remember lol. Still pretty hype 2 Dragonlords is pretty nice. I got a bunch of commands and an Ojutai exemplars. I also got a whisperwood from an FRF booster, but that's about it. | ||
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On March 24 2015 05:56 ExO_ wrote: Now why wouldn't somebody pay attention post-flip if you flipped town? Because no one cares about dead towns content. They care about how other people interacted with them, that's about it. | ||
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You probably shouldn't. You might confirm me as something. Let's keep talking. Would be interested in giving us a theoretical mafia team? | ||
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On March 24 2015 06:03 LightningStrike wrote: EBWOP: I mean you guys god my grammar is so bad T_T Would you agree with lynching me? | ||
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On March 24 2015 06:07 Eden1892 wrote: i have a hilarious theory that this is a slip and superbia is mafia for this post ls first addresses this specifically to superbia, then feels the need to go back and correct it to a plural, including superbia as part of a group being addressed; the post is playfully adversarial indicating that group is town the fact that ls needed to go back and correct this means that superbia is mafia gottem boys sheep this d3 It's interesting that we each reached a completely different conclusion from the same post. | ||
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On March 25 2015 05:49 Alakaslam wrote: Super you claim something? I'm vt folks wassup I'm claiming nothing sson. Shoot me to find out. :D | ||
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On March 25 2015 05:53 Eden1892 wrote: You had 3 votes on LightningStrike at the time compared to 3 for Bill Murray. If you had done literally any degree of actual pushing to get LS lynched instead of just saying "why not LS why not LS?" (pro tip this isn't engagement this is just harassing) you probably get that wagon. I would have moved to it if you'd made any case at all. It's the BM wagon that threatened to split the vote, not the LS one. Your lynch preference was "not-the-vigs," you kept talking about lynching LightningStrike, LightningStrike was a viable wagon, but you never vote LS and you allow the BM wagon to take over while grumbling about it instead of making a case on your scumread. Okay. First of all, I wasn't sure which between SL and LS I wanted to vote off. That's why I wanted to engage with HF and get his thoughts on the matter. Let's say that I was hard-reading LS scum at that time (I really wasn't, I was still unsure of my read), and I vote on LS and start telling other people to vote on LS. How does HF react? How does the rest of town react? Do you really believe that we get the lynch on LS over Vivax? | ||
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On March 25 2015 06:02 Eden1892 wrote: Actually I just looked at the vote count again at the time you asked HF, you were voting sicklucker. sicklucker and LS were both at 3 votes. You're telling me you had two ways to get one of your scumreads lynched that were both as viable as BM at the time, but that you decided to vote for BM (who you even lampshaded would flip town in your comment to HF) instead? The vote was already split among 3 wagons so your reaction instead of pushing either of the 2 that you thought was scum was to move to the one you thought was town??? And hell yes! HF later even said he was drunk when he switched ffs. Obviously some of this is hindsight but yes, the thread sentiment was pretty clearly split 50/50 between "lynch a vig claim" and "don't lynch a vig claim." You had the opportunity right in front of you to push either of your scumreads as the "don't lynch a vig claim" wagon, then you idled on a town wagon that you said beforehand you thought was townie. Why am I supposed to townread you for this? Why shouldn't I find this suspicious as hell? From my PoV at that point in time the wagons on both SL and LS were inactive. The only person who engaged me (iirc) on either of the two wagons was Breshke, who was interested in a LS lynch. Now I'm supposed to believe that I can make a switch happen to either of the wagons? Neither of which I am even fully convinced of myself yet? Do whatever you want, I understand how it might look scummy in retrospect, especially since BM flipped town and LS mafia. We can talk about this tomorrow if I don't die. | ||
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On March 25 2015 06:03 Eden1892 wrote: I felt like he was trying to figure things out and gave more of a shit yesterday, but the more he's just not doing anything the more I'm doubting this tbh. I'm pulling my TR on him Impossible. I can't be scum if you're scumreading SL. | ||
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On March 25 2015 06:09 Damdred wrote: Super are you Scum reading me I'm not scum reading anyone atm. I'm re-evaluating and checking filters. I might scum read you when I'm done with it. Who knows. I liked how you had LS as your second scum on your big night list. I don't like that you made a big night list if both vigis turn out to be real since we were going into the night with possible two town KP, and KP was being spread by town. | ||
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On March 25 2015 06:29 ExO_ wrote: I think its much more likely mafia Onegu was jailed and couldn't shoot, than Onegu was targetted by mafia. It depends on vigis, I feel. If both of them are real, I think they would've shot into the vigis, in which case it is likely that Onegu is mafia. If one of them is fake, it is more likely they want to keep both of the vigis alive and shoot into the "masons". | ||
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On March 25 2015 06:36 Toadesstern wrote: why would mafia shoot into a vig if having town lynch them is the way better option for them? At that point in time we were all set on the idea that one of us has to be mafia and we were heading for a reapeat of d1, a lynch between Vivax and me. That's literally best case scenario for mafia. Because the other vigi has to explain why he's alive on d3 or whatever. And they just keep RBing him. | ||
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On March 25 2015 06:40 Toadesstern wrote: you just said "they'd shoot into vig if one is fake and one is town" and now you're explaining it by using what we think to be more likely, that both are town. Let's say you are right and it is 1 mafia 1 town. If they shoot into vig they will shoot the town one (duh) That would be an insta lynch on d2 for the other vig and you say that's what they'd do because they could just keep on roleblocking the still alive vig (mafia according to your explanation because the townvig is already dead) So they're framing the mafia-Vig as mafia by roleblocking him and making people ask why he's still alive? What? I'm saying that if they're both town mafia likely would shoot one (probably Vivax) and then push to lynch toad (you) on d3. 1 mafia in either and they leave them both alive. | ||
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On March 25 2015 06:44 Toadesstern wrote: why would you should either Vivax or me when you can get us lynched... think about it this way: Day 1: BM lynch Day 2: lynch between Vivax or Toad, let's say it's on Vivax Day 3: "Oh hey, Vivax flipped green!", lynch on Toad sounds a lot better than what you're saying Yeah but this play is way too obvious. Mafia never wants to be obvious. | ||
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1. Mafia KP got reduced. 2. You (toad) are not the vigi. | ||
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I was expecting KP to go on Vivax if Onegu was mafia for some reason. Too much speculation. | ||
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On March 25 2015 06:51 Trfel wrote: If Vivax was to be roleblocked, I would have expected KP to go to ExO_ or raynpelikoneet (if he was town). Why Exo? Rayn actually makes a somewhat likely target. | ||
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On March 25 2015 06:52 ritoky wrote: i am super confused by what superbia is talking about. can someone try to make sense of this for me, or tell me if i am wrong. he says the play he would make as mafia if 2 vigis were real and claimed, the play would be shoot 1 vigi @ night to setup the ML on the other; thus since it didn't happen that way 1 of the vigis is mafia? is that correct? in a game with this many claims out in the open, why do you think the mafia would place vigi as such a high priority? especially when 1 has claimed to use their shot. There were mason claims and a fake Tracker in rayn (iirc). I'm just speculating because I believe more information can be extracted from the NKs with 2 vigi claims. Let's eliminate the world in which both vigis are real, and slam is town: - Scum never RBs Vivax because: - You show 4 KP in the night (withholding a possible mafia vig shot), 4 town die, town suspects vigis due to possibility of mafia vig. Mafia probably wins game. Hence, if you believe both vigis, Slam is probably always mafia. | ||
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Probably not before EoN. =/ Hopefully I'm still alive as the morning comes. :D | ||
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On March 25 2015 07:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Well, I don't think you're getting shot by mafia. I doubt this, as well. So I should be fine, hopefully. :D | ||
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On March 25 2015 07:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also you're forgetting that the JK probably stopped 1KP, which would've made things 3KP otherwise. A RB on a Vivax shooting Slam could easily result in a Slam mislynch. Town vigis either shoot scum or bad townies and either result can be detrimental to scum because it could eliminate mislynches. No, no. That's absolutely irrelevant. The play is to let both KP go through 100%. The misslynch on slam is absolutely irrelevant, because you go into d2 with 5 townies dead and suspicion on the Vigis. 5v10. If you secure a misslynch on that day you have mylo in d3. | ||
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On March 25 2015 07:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote: 1. You don't know if Vivax is shooting Slam or someone else. 2. RBing Vivax isn't between 4 or 2 KP but 4 or 3 KP 3. An alive town Slam is highly likely to get lynched. I don't find your case very convincing. I think there's a good chance Slam is scum, but not because of this. 1. Is true, but ultimately very, very risky on Vivax's part. 2. RBing Vivax ultimately loses you 1 KP on town if Vivax is a real vig (I believe so), which then doesn't allow you to secure mylo during d2 (unless you have a mafia vig, but then Slam surviving and KP being put on another target kind of puts unnecessary points in Vivax's, and maybe even slam's favor) | ||
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Town is calling for a shot on VE and slam. Both toad and vivax seem to comply. What does mafia have to lose by not RBing and letting both shots go through? I've explained what mafia has to gain, possible d3 mylo and 2 big question marks for misslynches. | ||
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On March 25 2015 07:16 Toadesstern wrote: KP is always nice for mafia but in the end a lynch on a townie is even better because that's effectively double the kills because you get the ML as well as a free night period (= more than just one failed vigshot) that you just got because of the ML. So keeping questionmarks alive for confusion is actually a thing, yeah Ultimately slam may get cop checked after a red check on d2 (very possible), and town will have effectively gained a lynch. | ||
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On March 25 2015 07:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote: But both Toad and Vivax looked so townie. Town was also coming around to the idea of 2 town vigis by that time regardless of the shots, so I disagree that it truly would leave 2 big question marks. Essentially all that's different with the RB is that Slam is still alive and can still get mislynched, presuming town. No way town keeps these strong townreads going into d2 with those flips dude. | ||
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On March 25 2015 07:19 Eden1892 wrote: superbia's confidence in his setup spec despite all the logic leaps reeks of tmi to me i'm biased tho It's not TMI, I'm just this good. The more I post about it the more I believe in it. It's just too good of a play for mafia to pass up, with virtually no downside. | ||
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On March 25 2015 07:20 Toadesstern wrote: I did not comply in the slightest wtf. I raged pretty hard at HF because I thought the plan was retarded and didn't know who I was shooting until after it happened and I got confirmation on it... and you think mafia had an idea who I was shooting? I thought it was pretty clear at EoN1? I recall you fighting HF on this during N1, but you seemed to be okayish with it EoN1. Maybe I'm remembering it wrong? | ||
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Mehhh. Nevermind then. My logic is still solid if the shots would've been clear at EoN. | ||
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On March 25 2015 07:28 Eden1892 wrote: so superbia, who have you decided is mafia from this grand theory Well, at first it was Slam, but since the kills weren't even certain at EoN1 (after rereading it): Nothing. Alas. It doesn't implicate Slam. Both vigi's hinted at shooting slam. So I can't really extract anything clear from scum's reason to RB Vivax over Toad. | ||
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On March 25 2015 07:43 Breshke wrote: Trefel is this serious? Were you just lurking the entire time? | ||
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On March 25 2015 08:05 Eden1892 wrote: well afawk town had no more kp except using the orb there's a dead mafia so... you tell me ??? I'm pretty sure vigi shots get refunded upon RB? | ||
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On March 25 2015 08:27 Eden1892 wrote: I have a sneaking suspicion that Palmar's move confirms Vivax town (not that we needed more evidence). Which looks hella bad for Slam. I don't really know. I kind of agree? But I think he had to do it either way. Like it was a last minute change, but he was under pressure (kinda). There was no way he could forego the swap. He was even calling Vivax mafia at some point earlier on (iirc). | ||
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Who you think is mafai? Pls not me. | ||
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What? You didn't do shit son. Orb doing all the heavy lifting this game. | ||
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On March 25 2015 10:50 Onegu wrote: Thought I'd get good reads off of it. Had town read on HF and thought he was Vet trying to eat a shot. What'd you get out of it? | ||
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Let's imagine two scenarios, both involving rayn's fakeclaim at EoD1: Scenario 1: Rayn is Town Scenario 2: Rayn is Mafia In scenario 1, scum is likely to have their towniest members carry KP in order to avoid the tracker. Who is unlikely to get tracked if he were mafia? Onegu. The caveat is that Onegu is also in the range of getting either medic saved (mafia don't care about this) or roleblocked (this is a bit risky), see scenario 2. In scenario 2, scum knows there was no CC on the fake tracker claim and as such, there is likely no tracker. As such, having Onegu carry the KP becomes somewhat more risky, because he is in the range of a roleblocker. There is no reason for scum to have him carry the KP. | ||
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On March 25 2015 10:59 Alakaslam wrote: Game is looking really good for scum right now. There are enough mislynches. Who are the mislynches? | ||
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On March 25 2015 11:14 Vivax wrote: It's not dude. You are on a good way to join #teamVivax and leave behind the false prophet that is Artanis. I'm never lynching you. Never, never, never. | ||
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On March 25 2015 12:17 Eden1892 wrote: This post is like watching a porn scene that cuts off halfway through the blowjob Wat. Why. | ||
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On March 25 2015 12:25 Eden1892 wrote: it's not this huh? seems weak but that's prolly not what you're getting at ? | ||
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On March 25 2015 12:26 Eden1892 wrote: There's no climax. You don't release any conclusions you have, you just keep them pent up. I know this kinda thing gives you a headache but it's really hard to get into it when you just keep it to yourself like that It's like, a soft different check between the two. | ||
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All right. So Artanis' day 1 is actually really really bad, with the exception if rayn ever flips mafia (which I severely doubt at this point). He hard defends LS: On March 19 2015 22:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Have you played with LS before? This is how LS plays. He calls toad scum and by proxy, defends Palmar who toad is tunneling. Interestingly, at this very point Artanis had no read on Palmar! He was reading him null! Then, when the claim wars happen, he completely flips on toad, and goes hard after vivax. This is after toad was his hard mafia read. We are left with this list: On March 21 2015 03:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Votes as I see them: Vivax (5): Artanis[Xp], Damdred, LightningStrike, sicklucker, Toadesstern LightningStrike (4): Bill Murray, FecalFeast, Vivax, Onegu sicklucker (3): Superbia, Alakaslam, Breshke Artanis[Xp] (2): VisceraEyes, Eden1892 raynpelikoneet (2): Holyflare, rsoultin Toadesstern (2): Palmar, raynpelikoneet Eden1892 (1): ExO Not Voting (1): Trfel Only having 1.7 scumread is problematic. Was hoping this'd help more. With the exception of possibly rayn, most of his reads are pretty shit. He leans town on two confirmed mafia (really bad) for seemingly no good reason whatsoever. Now this is where it gets scummy, with the whole claim thing. There's a wagon on Vivax and a wagon starts on BM. As the wagon starts, Art calls it "pure" but refuses to switch. He gets called out by you (Eden) and he gives a half-assed excuse later. He seems to strongly consider the world in which both vigis are real: On March 21 2015 05:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I think Superbia might possibly be right. Host WIFOM time. I know HtS likes her vigis because she hates lurkers. It's therefore very likely there's at least 1 vigi in the setup. Since the playercount wasn't fixed until the end, I find it plausible that the end balance was made by adding an additional vigi. I'm not sure if I find that more plausible than that Vivax simply tried to fakeclaim and failed though. Toad definitely town for the CC, I just don't ever see mafia making that play when it isn't necessary. But for a reason I don't share whatsoever, proceeds to call Vivax 100% scum anyway. Moreover, Artanis later finds the time to make a paint diagram on rayn's anger levels, a very peculiar thing to do in such a high-stress claim situation for town. He seems to consider his options during this claim war, but I sincerely doubt he actually did consider anything. In the end he is still reading Vivax as scum. Now it gets even weirder, we manage to get the wagon off of Vivax, and the night phase begins. For some reason, Artanis decides to town-read Vivax, before the night actions are even resolved. Then when the day begins (and KP is reduced), Artanis hard-reads Vivax town for his filter length, what!? My theory at this point is that scum put both an RB and KP on Vivax. I believe that both Artanis and Onegu are scum due to this. I believe Artanis was looking to set himself up to look good before Vivax flipped town, and that he needed to substantiate his read after it became obvious Vivax lived through the KP. By extension, I think that Onegu is scum because in this world Onegu is never the save. I think for a 3rd scum slam is still a good bet. | ||
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On March 25 2015 13:13 Trfel wrote: The pre-claimfest quotes (before his wagon analysis). I mean, Artanis didn't do anything that I can't see from a town perspective. Rsoultin and I combined made all of the same errors (and many, many more). The main problem is, what would make Artanis post this much? The Palmar flip sheds some light on this, I suppose. Like yeah, that's what made me pay attention to his filter. Like town can be wrong on people, but it's important to look at shit post-flip, and he was mafia siding pretty hard d1. Also he has posted a lot, but I really feel like he has contributed very little, especially given his filter length. Just feels like he wants to look townie. | ||
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1. Artanis calls toad (hard) mafia. 2. Counterclaim wars between Vivax and Toad. 3. Artanis is now convinced Vivax is hard mafia. 4. During night Vivax is all of a sudden townie to Artanis. Like that's very, very roughly my argument. | ||
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On March 25 2015 13:24 Eden1892 wrote: No, considering I had you in my town pile between then and my more recent scumreading. What are you trying to say here? I think it is absolutely weird that Artanis hard scum reads Toad during the first half of the day, but when the counter claim war comes, there is no sign of this scum read whatsoever. There seems to be no doubt in Artanis his mind. He talks about doubt regarding them both being vigi, but seems to do nothing to evaluate this, nor does he seem interested in HF's plan of letting the vigis both shoot targets we pick. I don't think he ever explained why he disagreed with HF's plan. | ||
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On March 25 2015 13:29 Trfel wrote: See, I don't think it's completely unjustified. Vivax's play was a bit lackluster leading up to his claim, but after the Bill Murray lynch, Vivax looked extremely townie. Maybe part of it is I sheeped Artanis throughout his thinking here. And if he's scum, I look really, really stupid. He was confident enough in his scum read on Vivax to vote a possible town PR. How the hell does this change before Vivax's night actions go through. Like he's literally calling him town before flips, and then when Vivax claims being roleblocked, he hard reads him town based on filter-length. ???? | ||
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On March 25 2015 13:31 Trfel wrote: Superbia, thoughts on this? If you don't believe it, I think can support it easily. Yeah, that's fine, and I'm never going to be able to hard-call him scum over this, but I did not see him display a grain of real doubt during the EoD1, which is something I suspect from a townie. This point moves over to EoN1, where Artanis all of a sudden starts town reading Vivax. You can't have one and the other. Either Artanis had doubt on Vivax EoD1, which he did not show whatsoever, or he's hard-reading Vivax scum (he was), in which case he has no reason to flip on Vivax EoN1! Especially after Vivax claims roleblock! Doesn't that fit a mafia!Viviax world!? | ||
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On March 26 2015 21:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm starting to suspect you're suspecting me just to annoy me at this point. I'm okay with a Slamfish lynch too but I think I can actually make a good case on Superbia. I went through the first bit of his filter on the toilet and it looks pretty scummy. So, Artanis, the rest of the time where you've been scumreading me was without having checked out my filter? | ||
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On March 26 2015 22:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I haven't been scumreading you besides on PoE. So what have you been doing this game? How are you so active yet you have not been analyzing the alignment of people deemed scummy? | ||
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On March 26 2015 22:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Same thing different word. Town trait. Scum is actually concerned with these things, town isn't. Vivax actually shot Slam though rather than doing his own thing, and he's proven himself to be town by doing different things than what I predicted by being super active even after the flip which I wouldn't have imagined him to do as mafia. How do you know this for sure? Especially at that point? Why do you reference his filter length of all things when you were town reading him? Why do you only start mentioning this post-flip? | ||
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On March 26 2015 22:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also I find it interesting how you happen to come back RIGHT as a case on you gets dropped. And you're not replying to it either. Your case is shit because I'm town. They're rehashed arguments from Eden which have eaten up my time the entire game responding to them. | ||
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On March 26 2015 22:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Because I checked his scum filters and they were at most 13 pages by D5. He's posted an immense amount more at that time as scum than he ever did in any of his previous games. I remember Vivax telling everyone how bad his scumgames were a while back. After the night I went into his games and saw that indeed he never posts this much as scum. What's the parallel between this game and my scum games? | ||
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On March 26 2015 22:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Why the fuck would I agree to that? I don't know the alignments for sure. I could be wrong. You're trying to create some kind of false dichotomy here. I'm pretty confident you're the sleeper scum in this game. | ||
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On March 26 2015 22:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Good rebuttal. Combing through your filter was work enough already. I didn't have anything specific I wanted to meta you for this game, so I haven't checked them. With everyone I've meta'd, I've had a specific reason to look into their meta. With Vivax, it was because he posted a lot and I remember how he's mentioned having trouble posting as scum, so I wanted to verify that. With Onegu, it was because I was looking for something specific in that he scumread someone universally regarded as town. With you, it was simply PoE. Bullshit. One of your arguments is that I have bussed in the past, indicating that you have some sort of realization of what my meta is. Draw parallels. | ||
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On March 26 2015 22:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Which was my one game with you in Imperial. Stop telling me how to do my job and respond to the entire post if you can. I bussed in Imperial? Hardly. I threw some scum on Ritoky (iirc), my team mate. That's about it. You can't half-ass this shit. | ||
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On March 26 2015 22:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote: And I have rebutted all of it, which you haven't replied to. I just fucking did. Your one line response that "it indicates that [my](Art) reads are fluid" is such utter nonsense. The response that it is "townie" to flip hard between people's alignment is nonsense. There is a good reason if you're town as to why you're reading people scummy, and if you read someone scum at any point during the game, this fucking nags you until they are confirmed via a flip or whatever. Like in no fucking world do you switch your reads around that easily, ESPECIALLY on Vivax PRE-NIGHTFLIPS. Absolute nonsense. No world in which you are town. | ||
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On March 26 2015 22:58 Damdred wrote: I had a bit to drink last night was great hehe... Anyway trying to remember the point I had, I believe bh balanced his game around the fact the vig had to survive a night and another day to be able to shoot. I'm not sure but 25 person game had two extra pr than we do so I actually still like what we have also super you tried to bus me while I was hitting you with a fleet of busses Dude I bus hard as scum, I'm not trying to argue that. It's the fact that he's pussyfooting around meta-reading me that's annoying me. | ||
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On March 26 2015 22:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You're also focussing on a microcosm of the case when it's much bigger, plus you're ignoring my explanations for my actions. It seems like you're looking for a reason to tunnel on me. Your explanation doesn't cover your actions. To be honest, I don't think any explanation would cover your actions. It's because your actions are not townie, they're scummy. | ||
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On March 26 2015 23:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Okay, why don't you go through my mafia games and point out to me where I flip hard on people by my own accord, then go through my town games and do the same? I'm very curious to see what you'll find. The fact that you have been fully aware of your mafia meta means that meta is going to mean so fucking little. You flipping mafia in Imperial was completely unexpected for everyone, right? That means that you are fully able to make changes to your meta. | ||
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On March 26 2015 23:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote: No matter how many times you say this, it doesn't make it true. It was already true. My delivery is irrelevant. | ||
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On March 26 2015 23:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Yeah, I can drastically change my mafia meta to go from being one of the worst mafia players to having one good mafia game to rolling mafia for the third time in four games and then playing EVEN BETTER AND COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. That makes much sense. Link me to these four games. | ||
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On March 26 2015 23:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote: "You're scum because you change your opinions at the drop of a hat!" "I normally do that as town." "Okay, you're scum because you're doing something you do as town!" -Superbia logic This is such a blatant misrepresentation of my arguments and you know it. | ||
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On March 26 2015 23:06 Damdred wrote: Do you scumread me for my flip on vivax superbia Just checked your filter rq and you were already on board with Vivax being possible vig before EoD1. Completely different. | ||
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On March 26 2015 23:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote: It's really not. You're claiming because I'm aware of it it means it still makes me mafia when if it's true that I do it as town (and I'm quite sure it is) it can only be null at worst. No, I'm saying that because your argument is "I normally do that as town" or "I normally do y instead of x as mafia" the argument is by definition WIFOM. | ||
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On March 26 2015 23:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also saying any meta read is unreliable if you're aware of it is a terrible argument. Some meta can be replicated (e.g. the decision to bus or not). Some things are just general town traits for someone, like being able to post carefree, being able to post a lot or being able to change your reads very dynamically. At any point giving the defense "that's my townplay!" is a terrible defense. I'm reading your Imperial filter. | ||
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On March 26 2015 23:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Weren't you reading Imperial? Did you reach any conclusion or couldn't you find anything? I've half reached a conclusion. | ||
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On March 26 2015 23:41 Toadesstern wrote: I want you lynched a lot more than him but if only Artanis is voting you there's not really a point in putting my vote there So, you think I'm scum? | ||
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I wanted to see where people were standing first but I guess it doesn't matter, I may be wrong on you being scum. | ||
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On March 26 2015 23:49 Toadesstern wrote: Mostly PoE, seconly you going after me with bullshit reasoning and going after Artanis afterwards thus: I went after you with bullshit reasoning? What's the PoE? What are your circles? | ||
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On March 26 2015 23:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I was actually hoping he'd go after me harder. That'd make me feel better about lynching him. Come at me and this might still happen. I'd press the lynch button you in final 3 every time. | ||
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On March 26 2015 23:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I already came at you, the case is still up. I want to know why you started having doubts. I'm not going to respond to the case anymore than I already have. I have little time as it is, and would probably spend it on filter diving or interacting instead. I started having doubts after I saw how you, as mafia, interact with town, specifically when lynching them. Moreover, how you react to cases made on you. | ||
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Obi would be on my dick for this, but probably Onegu. Partially for the info. Like if he flips scum rayn is probably town. | ||
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On March 27 2015 00:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: It doesn't matter if you bus your entire team on D1 or one on D1 and one on D2, which I believe he did (could be D3). Bussed JAT on D1 and Onegu on D2/D3. Also, Superbia, I saw that Fecal played his one scumgame with you. Did you play any towngames with him too and did you pick up anything on him? Yeah, one of his scum-tells is that he is serious from the get-go. As town he is carefree and having fun. He was having fun when he came into the thread, hence why I have him as town. | ||
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On March 19 2015 18:52 Palmar wrote: It seems wise to take this conversation somewhere private where other people can't hear. | ||
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On March 19 2015 18:52 Palmar wrote: It seems wise to take this conversation somewhere private where other people can't hear. Thoughts on this? | ||
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On March 27 2015 06:13 Eden1892 wrote: If it's not, do you have any intention of stopping it? Are you fucking serious? I have the option of 1. defending myself to age-old arguments which are utterly irrelevant by definition (bc I'm town). or 2. play PoE. Ya, I got my option picked. Like are you fucking kidding me Eden? You defended Art so fucking easily, yet when it comes to me you harp on the smallest, most obnoxious shit. It wouldn't actually surprise me if both, or at least one of you is mafia. | ||
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Like I'm probably fucking wrong as shit here but: Slam is town. Breshke is town. DO NOT lynch. Rayn/Ritoky is the easy mafia that will be bussed tomorrow. | ||
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On March 27 2015 06:25 Eden1892 wrote: You changed your mind on both of us awful quick there. And speaking of harping on small shit! If that makes me suspicious, what does it make you that your entire engagement with Artanis today can be summarized thusly? ? I don't even care dude. Gratz if you're mafia, you lynched a town that has only played half the days. | ||
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On March 27 2015 06:28 ritoky wrote: ???? and if i am so easy mafia why 0 effort to convince anyone? Look who shows up to bury me. You bring bad luck to my town game ritoky. I wanted to go after the big mafia today. The one they're relying on to carry the fucking game. But nope. Of course all of the mafia are lurkers and people on the background, because that's how mafia wins, and that's why palmar was on the background. | ||
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On March 27 2015 06:34 Trfel wrote: Superbia. If you are town, please calm down and logically answer Eden's arguments. You aren't lynched yet. I'll be looking at Artanis's filter. Yeah, this worked out great in the last game. No, you're going to lynch me here and you're going to keep lynching me in other games until you guys finally figure out how the fuck I play mafia and how I get my reads as town. Also the fact that inactivity is not a scum-tell for me. | ||
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On March 27 2015 06:41 Eden1892 wrote: I literally mathematically proved that inactivity is a scum tell for you so... Yeah, well, guess you're turning in that math degree in 1h19m. | ||
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On March 27 2015 06:45 Damdred wrote: I generally don't berate people in mafia. But this is sshit super you were lynched in the last game because mafia wouldn't switch off of you and other people were ark. You looked towny to a point there. Here you are just being antagonistic and trying to Marty that's not a towny way to not be lynched Dude I've had a limited amount of time to play this game and I've had to spent most of it defending myself for what I deem to be obnoxious shit. Like I make all of my reads based on information stored inside my head, and at some point I confused you with rayn, and literally got scumread and had to defend myself for hours or whatever. The only people who have ever sided with me this game are vivax and breshke. Breshke correctly called out that my filter wasn't as bad as people were calling it out to be and that it was actually pretty good. Like I might be getting pocketed hard by mafia breshke here, but how the hell is everyone reaching the conclusion that I'm scum? The primary fucking case is that I read both SL (town) and LS (scum) as scum during the EoD, but was unwilling to place my vote. I'm sorry but what? I've explained already that I was unsure of my reads at that point, and that my primary objective was to keep both vigis alive to see if we can some resolution during the night, as I had reached the same conclusion as HF. Now why the hell am I being read scum for this? I don't fucking know. I have already explained my reasoning behind this and I'm just fucking done. It's like I'm arguing with a wall or something. There seems to be no movement whatsoever. Why the hell don't I try to make a push on SL or something if I'm scum there? Like what else is there? My argument on Artanis from today? When I went to sleep after that I felt so good about it. I was sure I found the big sleeper mafia. What happens next? Like 2-3 people talk about it saying they kind of like my case but want to see how it plays out. What does eden do? Instantly defends Art. Like "oh I can see that coming from a town perspective, lol". Wow, way to fucking go asshole. Like I'm fucking demoralized and I lurk for a few min before getting back in bed to try and get healthy. I don't participate yesterday. I wake up today and a case from Art gets thrown on me. Given the time that I have, I have 0 interest in fighting this case. First of all, I know my alignment, and I know that the case, whatever it contains, is wrong by definition. I'm interested in finding shit on art, so I skim the case for contradictions with his earlier reads. I don't really find any, so I decide to give him a shot and check out his filter. I don't even fucking know why, but for some reason I set out with the goal to find shit that makes him town, and I feel like I kind of found it? So I call him maybe-town. Honestly, I don't even know why. I don't even trust the town meta-read that I made on him, I just felt like my case had already crashed and burned and that there was no way I was going to get the lynch through. | ||
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On March 27 2015 07:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote: No, we stay the course because nothing Superbia says actually makes him town. Tomorrow you don't even talk. You just go here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480848-tl-mafia-lxx-guardians-voting-thread and you type "##vote: Artanis". | ||
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Orb checked, whatever. | ||
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On March 27 2015 07:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Fantasy his scumteam died around him and he conceded before it got to a vote. 2p2 he never accumulated votes other than from Haru. Basically the only time he's been in a similar situation is Imperial where we collectively gave up on him anyway. Check the game where I carried as scum. Campus 1 or 2 or whatever. | ||
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On March 27 2015 07:26 Trfel wrote: This could work for me, at least. Ritoky has looked really towny, though I wouldn't expect otherwise, regardless of his alignment. But last time this happened to me (scummy player into towny replacement) I didn't pay attention to the replacement's play, and I paid for it. Dude you can't keep saying this. It's making me want to flip on you every time. This isn't the first time you've called someone town and also that you want to lynch them. | ||
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On March 27 2015 07:33 Fecalfeast wrote: so if I tried to lynch sicklucker there would be a lot of resistance, does that make you like it? You naughty FF. | ||
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On March 27 2015 07:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also, I don't think Trfel is capable of how he's played as scum. I feel his cluelessness as to what's going on in the game is genuine plus asking for the scum numbers again after one person already did felt really genuine, so that goes on top of the orb thing. Agreed. It's just really mindfucky every time. I'm never lynching him though. | ||
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On March 27 2015 07:45 Breshke wrote: Same. Don't think same reason though Why do you think we have different reasons? | ||
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On March 27 2015 07:47 Breshke wrote: cos my reason is probably dumb whereas i believe you think you have a good read on FF All right. Fair enough. Did you pocket me n1/d2? x: | ||
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On March 27 2015 07:49 Breshke wrote: No unless you count accidental town pockets. Did you pocket me? This is kind of a weird question, do you think I've set out to pocket anyone this game? Is there any reason as to why you think I'm pocketing you? | ||
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What? This is why I'm voting slam... it's my early gut read on him d1 and the fact that he spun a world in which (some of) the leading town were mafia, which I believed. Then Artanis/Eden (the people who are scum in his world) start a wagon on me and he joins it? Nope. | ||
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On March 27 2015 07:52 Breshke wrote: tbh didnt care about your answer nor the question that much. If you were asking it seriously not sure where you were going with it. Eh, just prodding. I thought the counter-question was a bit awkward. | ||
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On March 27 2015 08:06 Damdred wrote: Why is it baf? I mean we ml but we have the info and can work more Dude I just got paranoid as fuck from slam flipping town. Like look at the wagon. =/ What if Onegu is town?? | ||
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[QUOTE]On March 27 2015 08:06 Superbia wrote: I got a question: You said you were trying to get healthy does this mean your contributions are going to get more regular?[/QUOTE] Eh, yeah. Hopefully. Tomorrow should be a fairly quiet day (but Pillars of Eternity is going to eat most of my time). Saturday and Sunday are going to be somewhat busy, but I should be able to contribute. | ||
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On March 27 2015 08:23 Trfel wrote: Vivax, please don't eat me alive for saying this.... People are stupid. And they don't always agree. But that doesn't mean that emphatically insisting that they are stupid will solve the problem, as stupidity is extremely hard to fix (I know this from personal experience). I think that town would benefit if you toned it down a little bit. I also note that Fecalfeast was roleblocked by rsoultin. This means that Fecalfeast wasn't carrying KP. With two KP and four scum left, Fecalfeast would be a pretty good choice to carry KP. And this is a fair argument in his favor. Except that scum very likely roleblocked + put KP on rso, which means that her RB didn't go through (scum resolves first iirc). | ||
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Nobody else claimed RB. SL's orb power went off. C'mon. It makes sense if they're putting KP on Exo. | ||
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On March 27 2015 08:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote: What I mean is the presumption that scum rb goes over town rb and even thinking about that in the first place. The speed in which you processed all of that strongly triggered a TMI alert, but maybe you're just too smart for me. I am too smart, and I have (half) read the OP. I have also theorized about this before. | ||
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I am orbing the shit out of you. I don't even care to know as to why you're doing this. | ||
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On March 29 2015 09:10 ritoky wrote: you said some shit about not reading anything I had typed or me not doing anything then you said I was a good lynch candidate and I remember saying to myself, what the fuck? why the shit would he think that if he hasn't read any of what I have said. That's why you want to lynch me? I had awful feelings about Rayn until he claimed a PR. I also have no idea why he didn't catch an RB (believing Vivax), nor a KP. | ||
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So, let's start off with the general direction of the game, and how the game has progressed from yesterday. Let's start off with the assumption that I'm town. The following wagon was on me at the wagon's summit: On March 27 2015 06:10 Blazinghand wrote: Superbia (8): Artanis[Xp], Eden1892, FecalFeast, Alakaslam, ritoky, Damdred, Toadesstern, Trfel Of these, FF and Slam (who flipped town) stand out. FF liked the case I put on Artanis, but seemed fine with sheeping Artanis when he put his case on me. This seems very odd to me, but in a way that is regardless of FF's alignment. I literally just don't know what he is doing. That being said, I also see FF's recent lynch outlook post as coming from a town perspective. His view on me makes sense from what I recall from our interactions. That being said: FF, kindly explain your read on me. Why did you think I was scum or a PR? What gave it away? You said earlier on that your read on me involves calling me mafia, how did that read progress? Moving on, I kind of like damdred in a weird WIFOMy way. He called me out for giving a shit defense in a sort of BM way. I don't think scum does this, tbh. I don't know damdred very well, but I don't think scum shits on a townie about to get miss-lynched like that. Furthermore, his poke sparked me, and allowed me to give the defense to prevent the miss-lynch (though we still miss-lynched). He was also one of the first to rescind off the wagon (iirc). He might be laughing in his scum QT right now, but he's getting a town read for now. Ritoky, I don't even know where he's at, to be honest. His opinion seems uninformed, and I don't think a town would be comfortable lynching someone who they have been unable to form a proper opinion about. Moreover, the rayn slot seems incredibly fishy. I scum-read rayn before the claim (iirc), and I don't understand the rescind off the PR, nor why scum seemingly did not put an RB or a KP on him (more on this later). I can see why rayn would fake claim in that scenario as town, as he had been tired of people not listening to him in previous games, and he may be uninterested in defending himself, but it's so bad as town, because it can bait out a CC. Furthermore, I don't think he used his position of temporary confirmed town to push anything (again, iirc). The fact that this fake-claim has (seemingly, and iirc, I haven't actually read the majority of d2, tbh) not been fully explored yet is alarming to say the least. I think trfel is town for probably ever. I think Artanis & toad are town for now as well. I'm definitely not touching them today, but maybe Artanis in Final 3. Toad looks really, really good for his push on Palmar d1, the CC, and the fact that it looks like his KP is the KP that went through d2. Vivax goes on this list too for now, but I have no idea what I'm going to think if I encounter him in final 3. Actually almost missed Breshke when studying the wagon. Honestly, I think Breshke is somewhat likely scum? I hate saying this. =/ He has hard defended me at multiple times in the game (and I have agreed), but I think the defense may be a little TMI. The fact is, a lot of town has read me as scummy for most of the game, and I have no idea why he has been comfortable defending me. Also, I have noticed that he did not hard defend me during the wagon on me, while I have a feeling he was around regardless. This post is the most scummy for me: On March 27 2015 07:09 Breshke wrote: he argument between artanis and superbia made superbia look worse because i understood what artanis was saying whereas I had no idea wtf superbia was trying to say/do. That being said superbia should still not be lynched today. Im down for lynching onegu or slam maybe FF but not theres a reason id rather not explain why that is bad this phase. The people who say slam could be mafia but we shouldnt lynch him and just sort him out with the orb arn't really thinking it through because the orb has a 50% chance to do nothing if slam knows he is going to be orbed and you can literally say the same thing about anyone else you push on. ##Vote Onegu I have no idea why he is still comfortable town-reading me while still saying that. Finally, Onegu. I actually sort of like Onegu? I kinda likes how he approaches the lynch in this post: On March 28 2015 22:53 Onegu wrote: Out of these two id more prefer superbia over ritoky. The wagons went off of him onto two town wagons. Plus I had my Rayn soul read and it would really devistate me if this was the first time I was wrong. Like if he's town it really does not mean much for him to look at votes, as it doesn't matter for scum what they vote, while normally you would look at who voted. I was even going to call him out for this, but it makes sense for town!Onegu to look at it like this. I also want to discuss the N1 actions a bit more. We have these claims before N1: Vivax - KP on ??? Toad - KP on ??? Rayn - Track on ??? We have these claims post N1: Vivax - KP on Slam (scum could've seen this coming), Roleblocked. Toad - KP on VE (scum could've seen this coming, but less so than the KP on slam). Rayn - Rescind his tracker claim. RSO - Jail on Onegu. Now. The interesting thing is that Rayn never got roleblocked, while he and Palmar did have sort of an encounter in the later stage of d1 (though rayn showed no interest in wanting to lynch palmar, afaik). This while Palmar is mafia (though goon). Now, unless I'm completely wrong, there was a decent chance that Palmar would be in Rayn's sights if rayn was an actual tracker. I don't know this, but Palmar may have suspected this. Furthermore, there was a decent chance that Palmar was going to carry the KP through the night as goon (you don't really want mafia PRs to carry it, especially due to tracker), so why not RB rayn? Like this is very speculative, especially looking back, but ask yourself this: why did scum not roleblock rayn? Who is a much higher risk target than a (what I'm assuming is) a town vigi who is willing to follow HF and when the targets are two town (now confirmed). This world only makes sense if Vivax is actually mafia, and scum were looking to confirm Vivax by foregoing the roleblock and claiming it on Vivax OR if Onegu was carrying the KP that was going on rayn. This is still rather speculative, but I think this is a good reason to lynch Ritoky (ex-rayn) today. | ||
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Honestly, it's kind of hard to explain. I really liked a scum team with you on it, and from yesterday, it made sense. But looking back, it just seems like there has been (in most townie's opinion) a good reason to read me scum, though I still vehemently disagree with it. You did manage to put down your thoughts in a good case, and your actions just read like it would probably come from a townie perspective. Honestly, I feel like closely evaluating you again at this point in time is just a tremendous waste of time because: 1. I will never be able to lead a lynch (let alone on you) and 2. If you flip town I can never avoid the counter lynch followed by losing the game. I'm also way too afraid of what this will do to my (albeit limited) reputation if this happens. x: Like you've been incredibly active and it looks like you're actually trying to solve the game lately. I did not feel this way yesterday. | ||
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On March 29 2015 10:50 ritoky wrote: no idea what you're talking about. didn't read any of it. and why should my predecessor's retarded play influence my reads? he did a bunch of stupid shit and ppl wanted to lynch him. only thing that informs my opinion is my role pm and reads. 1. Rayn claims tracker at EoD1, no CCs. 2. Vivax claims Vigi at EoD1, toad CCs. [NIGHT] 3. Vigi targets are discussed. Slam is brought up. VE is half brought up. Both are town. [NIGHT RESOLVES, and 2 KP is revealed] 4. Toads KP (seemingly) goes through on VE. 5. Vivax claims to be RBed, as his KP did not go through on slam. 6. RSO claims jailkeep on Onegu. <- suspected KP reduction. Now, you have to ask yourself: why did scum not do anything about rayn who claimed tracker? A number of options: 1. Onegu is scum, and was carrying KP on rayn. The jailkeeper action from RSO prevented him from delivering KP. 2. Vivax is scum, and it was in scum's favor to forego the roleblock so they could explain the lack of KP. 3. Scum had a god-read on rayn, and were confident enough to let an un-cced tracker go unchecked into the night. | ||
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On March 29 2015 10:52 Fecalfeast wrote: saw my acronym bolded so I will respond to this before I read the post Part 1: superbia doesn't ping me out early on, this leads me to lean mafia on him until I converse with him Part 2: After initiating banter about superbia being mafia, superbia acted more defensively than I feel was necessary. Part 3: Superbia disappears for a while in the midgame Part 4: after being on the poe list for a while superbia finally starts doing real stuff That's pretty much it I need to do shit because the game is going to shit and miss-lynching me basically loses you guys the game. Honestly, if I ever get lynched at any point during the game I think town loses the game. I don't have much faith in you guys solving the game post-flip, especially given how many people are scum-reading me and are willing to lynch me. My town-flip is going to give no info. Like if it was up to me I'd be playing Pillars all the way through, but I can't just abandon town in this position. Your read on me sux. :D | ||
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On March 29 2015 23:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote: But that's not what you said. You said town basically loses the game if we mislynch you. Now you're saying there's a POSSIBILITY that someone's scum in that list. These two are very different. Especially since you use that as your motivation for playing hard, one would imagine you'd actually have thought it over a bit. I don't trust this town for shit to win the game. Do you blame me? | ||
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Also I don't believe I have myself to blame. I don't think I have done anything scummy. I don't really care as town what I look like, and I just put down my thoughts every now and then. This game I have been pinged out to death and people have just been riding the wagon. It's dumb and demotivating as fuck. | ||
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How in the world can you ever live in the world where everyone is willing to lynch me, then I give a defense from the fucking heart and everyone goes off me (i.e. reads me town) and then everyone still goes on me the next day. What a tremendous waste of time. | ||
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On March 29 2015 23:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: If I knew you were going to flip town I would not be voting you. Obviously, I don't. Then why is it on me? Take the blame if I flip town. | ||
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I don't care about looking townie as town. | ||
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Uhuh. | ||
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On March 30 2015 07:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Reminder to self before I do dumb things I already posted my analysis. | ||
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On March 30 2015 07:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Why would you prefer dying today over having Breshke flip today and maybe flip scum? lol I want to go after Ritoky and if he would flip town go after Onegu (or vice-versa, at this point, since everyone likes Ritoky, and I kind of prefer his participation versus Onegu's). I know that sounds scummy as shit as it could very well be setting up two town miss-lynches, but that would be my preferred line of lynches.. | ||
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![[image loading]](https://alk3r.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/i-stand-alone-5.jpg?w=812) | ||
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On April 06 2015 10:28 Holyflare wrote: nubs HF talk to me next time >: | these scrub d1 lynches are killing me. | ||
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