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On March 29 2015 18:50 Breshke wrote:
So I dont understand how any of superbias analysis is useful then because if he said he was going to track a vigi then scum wouldn't have cared about him.
I also find the logic weird from superbia that my read might be TMI on him because everyone else thinks he is scum. Then he goes on to say that everyones read on him sucks because he is town. He is also scumming me because he thinks i lurk before deadline even if you check my timezone you can see that deadline is early for me. Feels like he is running out of people to push lynches onto so is now going after me. The problem is this could still be town superbia just POEing and getting it wrong.
I also really dislike that ritoky comments that he doesn't like my vote swap even after i explained it yet never went back to it or said anything else about it,
Ughhh this post reallly looks like Breshke is trying to bury Superbia but is already backing off a little bit because he knows he's going to flip town.
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On March 29 2015 19:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2015 18:50 Breshke wrote:
So I dont understand how any of superbias analysis is useful then because if he said he was going to track a vigi then scum wouldn't have cared about him.
I also find the logic weird from superbia that my read might be TMI on him because everyone else thinks he is scum. Then he goes on to say that everyones read on him sucks because he is town. He is also scumming me because he thinks i lurk before deadline even if you check my timezone you can see that deadline is early for me. Feels like he is running out of people to push lynches onto so is now going after me. The problem is this could still be town superbia just POEing and getting it wrong.
I also really dislike that ritoky comments that he doesn't like my vote swap even after i explained it yet never went back to it or said anything else about it, Ughhh this post reallly looks like Breshke is trying to bury Superbia but is already backing off a little bit because he knows he's going to flip town.
I don't know how youw ant me to refute this. He did some scummy shit but town can do scummy shit aswell. My mind melds with him specifically EoD1 still prevails to make me townread him even though he is flipping his read on me for dumb reasons.
I also think it is fairly weird that you think i would try go hard against him in one post but also think oh wait i better back off because he will flip town. If i was thinking about that as mafia wouldn't i just choose one path or the other and not the middle ground which just looks dumb.
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It's not really something you can refute, you either read it that way or you don't. Actually whilst I was in the shower I also thought it's kind of a hallmark of your town game in that you're way less sure as town so I end up waffling myself.
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On March 29 2015 11:00 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2015 10:52 Fecalfeast wrote:saw my acronym bolded so I will respond to this before I read the post FF, kindly explain your read on me. Why did you think I was scum or a PR? What gave it away? You said earlier on that your read on me involves calling me mafia, how did that read progress? Part 1: superbia doesn't ping me out early on, this leads me to lean mafia on him until I converse with him Part 2: After initiating banter about superbia being mafia, superbia acted more defensively than I feel was necessary. Part 3: Superbia disappears for a while in the midgame Part 4: after being on the poe list for a while superbia finally starts doing real stuff That's pretty much it I need to do shit because the game is going to shit and miss-lynching me basically loses you guys the game. Honestly, if I ever get lynched at any point during the game I think town loses the game. I don't have much faith in you guys solving the game post-flip, especially given how many people are scum-reading me and are willing to lynch me. My town-flip is going to give no info. Like if it was up to me I'd be playing Pillars all the way through, but I can't just abandon town in this position. Your read on me sux. :D
In your large read post, you point to two people being scum; Ritoky and Breshke. From what I can tell you have townreads ranging from weak (Onegu, FF) to medium (Damdred, me, Vivax) to strong (Toad, Trfel) (and you don't mention SL at all, but that's not the important part) (Also tell me if I'm wrong on any of these leans)
Basically, you're saying you think scum is most likely in the PoE group, yet you're certain that mislynching you leads to losing the game. Explain this logic.
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On March 29 2015 10:18 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2015 10:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Actually, I was wrong. You were never okay with the idea, you instantly replied cautiously. What made you change from thinking I might be scum for this post to now again reading me town? Half an hour later, you asked Vivax what he thought about my post. Why Vivax? Now that you've confirmed you think I'm town, that post can no longer be a reason why you switched your opinion on Damdred, so why did you switch your opinion from being near certain to possibly? to answer second bit first: I was paranoid about being wrong on damdred, you capitalizing on the confidence of my read, and taking the game quickly to LYLO as mafia. and then 2 things happened: 1) I thought to myself that I don't remember you being that ballsy/flashy as a mafia player and 2) my wife got pregnant. as a result of these things and eden dying I have resigned myself to losing to you if you have fooled me. idk why I asked vivax, don't remember. probably because he is a claimed vigi who I was interacting with at the time. why is it strange that I asked a claimed vigi's opinion? near certain to possible is because I always doubt my early reads over time and usually it fucks me and I shoulda just stuck to my god tier early reads.
I'm fine with most of the explanations. As for why it's strange you ask Vivax; I find it weird you singled him out in specific when there were multiple people around at that time. Surely you had a reason for asking Vivax specifically? I'm not sure why the claimed vigi part is important at all.
On March 29 2015 10:22 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2015 10:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 29 2015 10:04 ritoky wrote:On March 29 2015 10:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 29 2015 09:59 ritoky wrote:On March 29 2015 09:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 29 2015 09:55 ritoky wrote:On March 29 2015 09:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 29 2015 09:48 ritoky wrote:On March 29 2015 09:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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Convince me someone is more town in my PoE 5 than Damdred and I will. tell me why damdred is town first. I mean people seem to have an unimpeachable TR on him and no1 has ever said why. Effort and detail in analysis. He's made multiple posts in a style I've never seen him do as mafia. I've also thought on one line with him a few times this game early on. He's made two vote count analyses which are the biggest posts in his filter and they look quite good, you should be able to find them fairly quickly. I can pretty much sum a lot of my rebuttal to this up by saying: Imperial Mafia. This is a bad metric to read him on, and I find none of it compelling. I have looked through his filter. Although I am not as sure as before on him. I have softened a bit. That said, if damdred is mafia, he is 100% with Onegu. I was scum with him in Imperial and I find that he's definitely playing beyond that right now. In Imperial, he was always hanging a bit in the danger zone, and I don't think he ever created an analysis like he has this game. I'll look it up just to make sure though. I was also scum with you two, which is why I find it hard to see you believing what you're typing lol. Maybe it's a lost in translation thing, or maybe my read is superior. Have you thoroughly gone into the analysis he's done though? I find it extremely hard to imagine he can fake that as scum. Also what's with this soft accusing thing I highlighted? I'll ask again: What is your read on me? damdred has taken up copying a couple of my metrics that I do in terms of vote analysis...which I actually haven't been keeping track of this game for the first time in forever. it has improved both his town analysis and his fake analysis as scum imo. recency thing So you're telling me to look at Imperial. I look at Imperial and see it's inferior to what he's done here, then you tell me he's improved it? You can't have it both ways. On March 29 2015 10:06 ritoky wrote:On March 29 2015 09:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 29 2015 09:50 ritoky wrote:
artanis I just think you're really wrong here. partially from a game perspective and partially from a procedural perspective. I would lynch the red check without hesitation. And I think you're really wrong here because you're describing the only play mafia could make to win if they're all in PoE and for some reason you want to give them that chance when I'm over 95% certain on every townread of mine besides MAYBE Damdred. I'm not going to ignore the strength of these reads and the desparation mafia would have based on a single redcheck, that's ridiculous. you have a list of 5. say you're correct, and say every person outside the 5 agrees to lynch that PoE list (which is largely the case of this game). doesn't that create a 0% chance of mafia victory if all of them are in that pool? is my math wrong here? which means either mafia has to make a play surrounding the orb OR you have to be wrong somewhere. assuming mafia has the orb. Doesn't your argument suggest that we should always lynch into the person making the claim if they're in PoE yourself? Why did you argue otherwise earlier? I meant for effort and tone look at imperial, that isn't compelling at all. okay, here's the scenario: scum has orb. scum is all in PoE. PoE scum claims orb red check on non-PoE player. that is the play I am referring to. did we have confusion somewhere along the line? And my play suggests that since a play with the orb wasn't made that either a townie is trying to be cute or that your PoE is wrong somewhere.
Point out parallels in tone and effort if you feel they're similar. You're seeing something that I don't so point it out to me.
Yes, and what I'm arguing is that it doesn't make sense for town to lynch outside of the PoE IF scum made that play which was the thing you were arguing for. I also think that the majority of town would think so, thus scum might feel like it's more likely they can get a lynch outside of the PoE by killing the non-paranoid townies first than that they can get a lynch outside of the PoE group with a 'red check'.
There's also the alternative to me that scum didn't to make specifically this argument, either with you being mafia or mafia simply waiting for someone to make that argument to increase general paranoia in town.
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I don't have faith in PoE atm. I know I'm a miss. I think that there's very likely 1 between Ritoky and Onegu, but if you start with a miss you'll be down to lylo/mylo I think?
I also have a fever today so I'm going to sheep someone at EoD.
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We can mislynch 2 more times. We could lynch all of you/ritoky/breshke/FF/Onegu. So if you think we'd lose with that, you think one of Damdred/me/Vivax/Toad/Trfel/SL is scum.
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Yeah. I think there's a possibility there is one in that list (likely Damdred then, maybe you). I don't want to lose to someone in that group just because I was unable to defend myself properly.
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But that's not what you said. You said town basically loses the game if we mislynch you. Now you're saying there's a POSSIBILITY that someone's scum in that list. These two are very different. Especially since you use that as your motivation for playing hard, one would imagine you'd actually have thought it over a bit.
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On March 29 2015 23:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
But that's not what you said. You said town basically loses the game if we mislynch you. Now you're saying there's a POSSIBILITY that someone's scum in that list. These two are very different. Especially since you use that as your motivation for playing hard, one would imagine you'd actually have thought it over a bit.
I don't trust this town for shit to win the game. Do you blame me?
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On March 29 2015 23:22 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2015 23:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
But that's not what you said. You said town basically loses the game if we mislynch you. Now you're saying there's a POSSIBILITY that someone's scum in that list. These two are very different. Especially since you use that as your motivation for playing hard, one would imagine you'd actually have thought it over a bit. I don't trust this town for shit to win the game. Do you blame me?
Since you didn't start trying until you were about to be lynched, yes, I do blame you. If you didn't trust town to win the game you would've started trying way earlier.
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On March 26 2015 21:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:So yeah. Superbia. 1. Tone Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 09:57 Superbia wrote:
Dumbtell boys. How many mafia are there in a game of 20? 5? Some GOAT player pointed this out as he posted it. It feels extremely self-conscious to add the "dumbtell" thing at the start immediately. 2. Goes after anyone that goes after him. 2.1 Me for pointing this out. + Show Spoiler +On March 19 2015 10:07 Superbia wrote:
So, Artanis, do you want to take this opportunity to claim mafia? He goes after my poke for a little bit, gets called out for being a hypocrite and lets it go in a very weird way. On March 19 2015 10:18 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 10:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 19 2015 10:14 Superbia wrote:On March 19 2015 10:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 19 2015 10:11 Superbia wrote:On March 19 2015 10:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 19 2015 09:57 Superbia wrote:
Dumbtell boys. How many mafia are there in a game of 20? 5? I'm getting bad feels from this post. The dumbtell part feels forced like he's super aware of what he's doing. Now what? Why are you just sitting on this? On March 19 2015 10:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 19 2015 10:03 Trfel wrote:
Like Superbia said, it would really be nice to know how many mafia are in this game. Is it 4 or 5? This is gonna sound really dumb but I think Superbia and Trfel are never going to be mafia together. This is just not something you repeat as mafia when another mafia's asked it already and especially after I called Superb out on his tone for it. This feels like you felt like you had to do something with the pretty empty poke you just posted. What do you want me to do with a tone read? You haven't posted anything I wanted to dig in further yet. Your second sentence is simply your own narrative and nonsense. Then why did you feel the need to post it? It may very well be my own narrative, and it very well may be nonsense. But it also might not be. Awesome. So that other people may pick up on it, and see if they agree/disagree. Since no one else commented on it, it seems I'm on my own in that tone read. I also post anything that comes to mind that I believe could be useful in case you haven't noticed. Eh. Fair enough. I'm probably going to regret not pushing on this during post-game. But whatever. We'll see how your day progresses. He's going to regret not pushing me 2 hours into D1 for some dumb shit. Sounds more like setting himself up to go after me again. 2.2 Damdred for suspecting him + Show Spoiler +Damdred's initial suspicion of Super: On March 19 2015 22:22 Damdred wrote:
Actually I really hate superbia currently. There was this point where the pressuring on trfel looked more dickish than town to a point. Like trfels night post and super said that's it, rubbed me the wrong way I suppose bit then when trfel stayed longer and posted more super was no where to be seen. Super is angry sounding as well.. Would lynch today Instant followup: On March 19 2015 22:38 Superbia wrote:
Yo. Real quick, damdred is probable scum. I haven't really evaluated Vivax's alignment yet, though the whole thing looks pretty meh? I was never angry? I was having fun playing the game. Like Vivax, you even hinted to my scum game, why aren't you drawing any parallels?
So, Damdred. Our reads have lined up pretty well, as can be told from my filter. We both had HF and Palmar as town early on. And Damdred had SL and trfel as scum. I was burying SL pretty hard yesterday (admittedly, maybe a bit too hard, but let's see what he brings today) and I was pushing on trfel, who you had as scum and according to your filter, were very unsure of. How is me pushing on trfel a scummy thing when you were leaning scum on him around the same time?
Why isn't the thought process "well, I was scum-leaning on trfel as well, so I guess I can see where he's coming from"? Instead it is "trfel is town. Super pushed on him in a "dickish" way. He must be mafia". What? This doesn't line up at all with what is supposed to be your thought process. Why do we have similar reads if I'm mafia? Why am I burying SL so hard if, according to your world, we're mafia together?
Btw. I was never angry. That is such fabricated nonsense. So Damdred is scum because Damdred shares Superbia's scumreads. Funny how Superbia forgets that it works exactly the other way around too. He also is under the impression that mafia never bus when he's bussed very strongly himself in the past. He emphasizes this first point again. On March 19 2015 23:07 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 22:49 Damdred wrote:
I do love it when people get upset towards me and call me scum when I put them in my scum lost this early. It gives me warm tinglies It doesn't line up. You should be reading me town purely based on us having similar reads throughout the game. The fact that you don't know this but are still willing to call me mafia is alarming. Still oblivious to the irony. On March 20 2015 10:21 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 10:18 rsoultin wrote:On March 20 2015 10:14 Superbia wrote:
Can people comment on what I've said? Specifically regarding Damdred. Thanks. mmm i read it...and i don't even necessarily disagree that there may be scum in that triangle, but i dunnae. like yesterday i was getting a townie feel from damdy...(it's normal for him to just post reads as he goes until he latches onto something solid, usually after day 1 or at the very least not until close to the end of it, so y'all are high on that count xP) and a scummy feel from sl. since then damdy has dropped a little and sl has risen a touch...though i'd still say sicklucker has the best chance of the two flipping scum you...eh your posting irritates me this game so i'm reserving judgment xP the tone is grating which makes me predisposed to scumread you lol for no reason other than your tone grates on my nerves. mean of me to say, i know, but true ^^ Eh, I can't help it. Just the way I post, I guess?  IDK. Maybe Damdred is the lazy town. I just feel very deeply and pretty strongly that he's the hidden mafia. So Rso basically mentions no arguments here, just that she feels Dammy gives her a townie feel but he's dropped off a bit and rather than trying to convince her of his arguments, he just goes... idk, maybe you're right. Maybe your townie feeling on him and that Damdred's dropped off a bit means he's town after all. After a few more arguments back and forth he decides... On March 20 2015 11:40 Superbia wrote:
I'm not sure about damd atm. Also I missed this but Eden also says some good stuff. On March 20 2015 13:33 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 13:29 Superbia wrote:On March 20 2015 13:25 Eden1892 wrote:
you said you were "relatively certain" though. :/ And then you guys told me "nono, damd is town" and it's like, whatever, I guess I'll re-evaluate? Though I may just say fuck you guys and still read him mafia tomorrow, we'll see. okay, this is the second time you've made the same logic error. i will explain again. if you make it a third time i will be forced to assume it's deliberate and respond accordingly. all of the following statements were contained in one post:- "damdred is probably my best pick for scum?" - "sicklucker is kind of meh" - "i am relatively certain 1 of them is scum, but i don't think both are" because these were all contained in one post, no one could have given input in-between any of these statements to change your relative certainty that one of them is scum.so taking this at face value, i do not understand why it is that you: - don't firmly conclude damdred is mafia - don't conclude that sicklucker isn't mafia - don't move your vote please explain why this inconsistency exists Superbia explains there these aren't absolute truths, but it's still weird that he doesn't act upon them. 3. Mentions a desire to lynch LS a lot but never does anything about it + Show Spoiler +On March 19 2015 10:34 Superbia wrote:
LS is probably mafia. Active just before game. Inactive during game. On March 21 2015 05:59 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 05:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 21 2015 05:56 Superbia wrote:On March 21 2015 05:55 LightningStrike wrote:On March 21 2015 05:52 Superbia wrote:
LightningStrike where the fuck you at. I know you're lurking right at this moment. I keeping my vote on Vivax because of Toad's counterclaim like why would Mafia!Toad would ever counterclaim and I going to finish watching the European LCS. What kind of evaluation is this? Why are you so uninterested in this situation? bcz he is scum what do you think? oh i forgot.... Honestly? I think they're both town and that at least 2 mafia is lurking right now. I think LS is very likely among the lurking mafia. On March 21 2015 06:49 Superbia wrote:
HF are you familiar with BM's meta? Like I'm willing to join the wagon but would prefer it to go on SL or LS, who I personally feel are mafia. Fuck the Ls and the Ss. On March 21 2015 07:21 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 07:20 Breshke wrote:
I'd be willing to lynch LS aswell simply because i don't feel like he is trying to work out these claims
I like where you are at. On March 21 2015 07:30 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 07:29 Holyflare wrote:
Nobody cares about your petty shitty vig claim fight. There's loads of mafia let's kill them Are you going to strongarm this BM lynch? I've asked multiple times regarding an SL or an LS wagon. Whatever. It's your fault if BM flips town though. On March 21 2015 07:35 Superbia wrote:
Just ask yourself this one question:
Where the fuck are SL and LS at? Also Slam? Then when it actually gets to it and it's a few hrs before lynch: On March 22 2015 05:56 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 05:48 Holyflare wrote:On March 22 2015 05:48 Superbia wrote:
HF, what are your thoughts on the two vigi targets for tonight? Do we have them down already? slam and x All right, slam sounds like a pretty decent target at this point. What do you think about SL/LS? I know I've been shouting about them all EoD, but not much has changed (at least, not for me). Though maybe not LS because I might be shit at reading him (he always looks really mafia).I'm currently kinda looking at rso. I believe she has been leaning scum on me the entire game and has done seemingly nothing to further evaluate me. No real interaction or anything. I'm not really confident enough in calling for a vigi shot on her, however. Maybe Trfel? Whenever I see his name "may be scum" pops up in my head, but I'm not entire sure why. I don't think I've really interacted with him this game, except for maybe a few quips. I'm kind of scared of looking further at a second target tonight, since I'm reading like 3 scummy-ish people as PR. Suddenly Superbia doesn't really want to lynch him anymore when he becomes a legitimate target. 4. Vig Claims + Show Spoiler +This is what Superbia thinks about the vig claims at the time Vivax claims Vig. On March 21 2015 05:06 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 05:04 Toadesstern wrote:On March 21 2015 05:03 Vivax wrote:
Ok now that enough mafia or idiots are piled up on me I hardclaim Drax. Drax the vig, the easiest role in the game to fakeclaim as mafia. Who would have though. Really convenient, isn't it? What? Rofl. This is the dumbest thing ever. Vig is the WORST thing to claim as mafia. Because other vig will just counterclaim and shoot the mafia. Changes quite quickly to.. On March 21 2015 05:23 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 05:21 Vivax wrote:On March 21 2015 05:20 Superbia wrote:
Chances of both being town are so fucking real. No. I'm surely not going to bet on that, that would be really stupid and actually allows this situation to go unresolved for the rest of the game. Solve it now. Me or Toad it doesn't matter but he has to die now or later. I vehemently disagree. I think we need to evaluate either of you independently of the claim. Does mafia really claim vig here? Does mafia really CC vig? I honestly don't see either as likely. He went from scum would never claim vig because they can get counterclaimed to accepting that there are two vigis quite quickly. It's possible that he thought of this as town, but what I find more likely is that he KNEW they were both legit. Being right is very easy as mafia. There was no logic for a town player lying at this point, so both claims had to be legit. He also came up with the best solution for Mafia: On March 21 2015 05:18 Superbia wrote:
I think we have the vigis shoot each other, right? This fucks us up so hard if they're both town, but I don't think we should spend lynches on this. Which he suggests DESPITE thinking both claims are town. He literally went over that a few minutes later. Purely pushing scum motivation. 5. LS part 2 + Show Spoiler +On March 21 2015 06:19 Superbia wrote:I think I'm a 100% on board. I would be okay with Breshke or SL as well. Bad, bad feelings. On March 21 2015 06:32 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 06:30 Holyflare wrote:On March 21 2015 06:29 Superbia wrote:On March 21 2015 06:27 Holyflare wrote:
Just give it a night, we force the vigs to shoot our own targets or they claim mafia. If they don't it's free mafia. Mafia just "RB" the vig shooting mafia and let the town shot go through. This only works if we 100% find two mafia to fire upon. Who the fuck cares get rid of peripheral shit people doing nothing I'd be okay with this. I have literally no read on BM though. Can we default back to SL? Or maybe go on LS? Such arguments, much wow. Also, one thing to note is that he kept pairing LS (scum) and SL (99% Town) together. LS has been a peripheral scumread for Superbia all game long, but he never really pushed him. 6. Creating doubt on people in the town circle + Show Spoiler +Throughout the game but especially towards the later days, Superbia's been trying to cast doubt on players we consider townie. At first, it was me. Later it was Damdred, then later still it was Toad and once again myself. On March 25 2015 06:46 Superbia wrote:
So 2 KP shown during the night means one of two things:
1. Mafia KP got reduced.
2. You (toad) are not the vigi. Note also that Toad happened to go after one of his theories a little bit before this. + Show Spoiler +On March 25 2015 06:45 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 06:44 Toadesstern wrote:On March 25 2015 06:38 Superbia wrote:
Like this is all rather guessing where the mafia's wine is, but if I was mafia, and both were town, I would've probably shot Vivax after that d1, especially if you can set up the wagons well. why would you should either Vivax or me when you can get us lynched... think about it this way: Day 1: BM lynch Day 2: lynch between Vivax or Toad, let's say it's on VivaxDay 3: "Oh hey, Vivax flipped green!", lynch on Toadsounds a lot better than what you're saying Yeah but this play is way too obvious. Mafia never wants to be obvious. And then there's his case on me which is terrible and I've gone into before as it only proves I've been wrong and that I've changed my reads a lot. 7. His Slam is always mafia if the vigis are real idea + Show Spoiler +On March 25 2015 06:58 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 06:52 ritoky wrote:
i am super confused by what superbia is talking about. can someone try to make sense of this for me, or tell me if i am wrong.
he says the play he would make as mafia if 2 vigis were real and claimed, the play would be shoot 1 vigi @ night to setup the ML on the other; thus since it didn't happen that way 1 of the vigis is mafia? is that correct?
in a game with this many claims out in the open, why do you think the mafia would place vigi as such a high priority? especially when 1 has claimed to use their shot. There were mason claims and a fake Tracker in rayn (iirc). I'm just speculating because I believe more information can be extracted from the NKs with 2 vigi claims. Let's eliminate the world in which both vigis are real, and slam is town: - Scum never RBs Vivax because: - You show 4 KP in the night (withholding a possible mafia vig shot), 4 town die, town suspects vigis due to possibility of mafia vig. Mafia probably wins game. Hence, if you believe both vigis, Slam is probably always mafia. He pushed this idea very strongly despite all of town going in against him. As Eden has mentioned, it suggests tmi. It's dumb as there's plenty of blues that can mess up actions and you don't know who the vigis will shoot, yet Superbia is convinced that it'd be the correct play for mafia to let both vigis shoot. Concluding Superbia is probably mafia because: 1. Tone 2. OMGUSed myself and Damdred then let it go for apparently no reason 3. Went after LS without actually ever giving reasons, softpushing him all game and combining him a lot with SL 4. Believed both Vig claims were town but wanted them to shoot eachother anyway 5. Switches to BM without trying to get anyone to actually lynch LS 6. Tries to create doubt on any players commonly considered town to gain extra mislynches 7. Seems to have TMI (probably worst point tho) ##Vote SuperbiaAlso don't respond to the case except with "good case" and let him defend himself.
I would like to hear why you wanted both vig claims to shoot eachother when you believed they were both town. Looking at my case that's actually the only part you can answer as the rest are conclusions or things you've already explained (not actually being confident in your LS read as you claimed during the game) but feel free to explain other points too.
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I didn't. At that point I just defaulted to the thought process that there was 1 vigi and that both shooting each other solves it during the night. I later backed up HF's strategy after I started reading them both as town. From my filter my thought process should be pretty obvious. There's a distinct lack of direction between me start reading them both as town and HF's plan.
Also I don't believe I have myself to blame. I don't think I have done anything scummy. I don't really care as town what I look like, and I just put down my thoughts every now and then. This game I have been pinged out to death and people have just been riding the wagon. It's dumb and demotivating as fuck.
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My case details exactly what you've done scummy. Your play falls in line very well with scum motivations and your lack of motivation through many points of the game where you weren't up for lynch heavily suggests you're scum, as well as the fact that you only seem to care for self preservation and that you used the argument of having no faith in Town as a reason to start playing when you didn't care at all when you weren't being pinged (and there's been plenty of time where that hasn't happened). You're likely to be lynched today.
If you want to truly help town, go analyze Damdred since you seem to think he's the most likely scum outside of PoE. Feel free to look at me too if you think I can still be scum, but stop sitting here and moan about being suspected if you're actually town.
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No. Don't put this shit on me. I've had plenty of reasons as to why I was away during moments of the game, none of which anyone cares (or should care about). I have given my thoughts for today, and I have given good analysis. If you want to lynch me, fine. But if town loses this game, don't fucking dare to put it on me. Don't you fucking dare.
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It's also rather asinine, because I have been wagoned and pinged out throughout most of the game (from n2). Saying I only respond to pings is a disservice and a argument that contradicts itself as it is.
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If you get lynched, it's on you. It's always on you. I was suspected throughout most of the game and what I did was put an immense amount of effort into it. If you get lynched, it is on YOU because you failed to show that you're town. Your analysis is in contradiction with what you've said (that town will lose if they lynch you) because your main suspects are all in PoE. Your play makes no sense to me.
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This is so dumb. You already know I'm going to flip town and you know it.
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If I knew you were going to flip town I would not be voting you. Obviously, I don't.
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I'm going to leave my vote on Ritoky and you guys can do whatever during the night.
How in the world can you ever live in the world where everyone is willing to lynch me, then I give a defense from the fucking heart and everyone goes off me (i.e. reads me town) and then everyone still goes on me the next day. What a tremendous waste of time.
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EPT
