Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking. If the mafia at any time outnumber or equal the townspeople, they win. The town's goal is to lynch all the members of the mafia.
The game is typically very active, so the thread will get big quickly. However, it is essential to read the thread to play the game. If you do not have the time or patience to read the whole thread, do not play. I will not compensate for ignorance.
Rules:
Cheating: Cheating includes (but is not limited to): 1. Posting after death. You may have one polite goodbye post, but it may not contain any potentially game-changing information. 2. Ruining the game by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town. 3. Logging on to someone else's account to get their role or looking over someone's shoulder to get their role. 4. Comparing role PM times to determine roles. 5. Posting screenshots of your inbox. 6. Posting or sharing any PM you receive from a host. 7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip. 8. Signing up more than once using smurf accounts. 9. Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits. 10. Sharing accounts with other players unless cleared by the host in advance. Otherwise, only you may post on your account.
Cheating is not tolerated here. The punishment will be severe.
Posting:
Mod Font: This is mod font. It is reserved for moderators. Please do not use it.
Question Font: This is question font. Use it to ask the moderators questions about the rules. Please do us a favor and read the rules before you ask anything.
Activity: You must post in this thread TWICE per day/night cycle and vote every day while you are alive. Failure to do so will result in a warning; a second offence will result in a modkill.
Smurfs:
On April 26 2011 13:22 mikeymoo wrote: Smurfs must PM the host because TL doesn't allow multiple accounts otherwise. If the host is unaware of smurfs, you (and/or your smurf) can be banned for having multiple accounts.
Post Restriction Rules: This game is a post-restricted game. After extensive discussion in forum and personal feedback from several players with varying experience, we're imposing these limits for readability and yet a fair challenge for all players.
Day period limits: 3 pages, or 60 posts. You will be warned if you exceed 60 posts. Anything at or in excess of 4 pages, or 80 posts is a no-go. Night period limits: 1 page, or 20 posts.
Exceptions will be made in very limited circumstances (i.e. defending self against a wagon). We will be checking filters daily, but play to win. EDIT: Clarification on how we're handling warnings (page 20) - click here.
In keeping with the flavour of the game, players are permitted to post 1-2 their favourite recipes at night within one of their posts, if they wish. This is optional.
Even along the post restriction, general TL Mafia spam rules still apply.
Spam is not tolerated, nor is any off-topic material. Do not discuss Proleague here. Do not talk about Starcraft II here. Play Mafia here. This also means you should condense your posts when possible. 15 one-liners in 30 minutes is unacceptable.
Encryption: Don't do it.
Editing: Editing is not allowed for any reason. Editing will result in a warning. If we discover you to have changed any content whatsoever, you will be modkilled. Zero tolerance. This is the one part of the site where it is okay to be double posting, even triple-posting. While I ask for everybody to post as concisely as possible, post again using the acronym (EBWOP: Edit by way of posting) if you want to clarify/correct something you just posted.
Inappropriate posts: If you want to post something insulting or inappropriate and know the TL mods would have a problem with it elsewhere, don't post it here. If you do, a host will warn you or modkill you and request that you be banned from future games. The hosts have the final say on what is inappropriate. If you do not like how someone is talking to you, please PM a host, GMarshal, or Mig before involving the TL staff. If you are unsatisfied with how the situation is resolved, then you can appeal to the TL staff normally.
Reporting posts: The report button is a nice feature for regular TL, but not for this forum. We prefer to deal with things in house if possible to avoid confusion among the TL staff. If you have a problem with how someone is posting, talk to the host, co-host, GMarshal, or Mig before using your report button. Please do not use your report button for anything other than inappropriate posts which you feel are not being dealt with adequately.
Ban discussions: Please wait until this game is over to talk about modkills and bans resulting from this game.
Play to win. This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing.
This also means that you cannot leave the game without a good reason without a ban. These situations will be dealt with on a case by case basis. PM me or the co-hosts if you need to leave the game.
You have been warned.
Voting rules:
This game uses plurality lynch. The player with most votes at deadline will be lynched. 1. Voting is done in the voting thread. The voting thread is here. Please keep votes there, and only vote there. Do not PM me your vote. 2. Please vote in the following format: ##vote: Half the Sky. Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I or my co-host will update vote counts whenever we get the chance. 3. If you change your vote, please ##unvote before posting another vote (can be done in the same post). 4. No conditional voting. 5. You may not vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game. 6. You may not vote for a no-lynch. 7. Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain.
Signups:
This game is open to all players regardless of experience. Signups will remain open until all 13 spots have been filled.
Game-specific rules:
Modkills: This game follows the TL Mafia Ban List. If you are modkilled, your punishment will go beyond being eliminated from this game. Please refer to it for questions about your punishment. If you want to use this game to sit out your ban, please PM us and post in the Ban List.
Behaviour: 1 Simply put, do not be a dick. We will pre-warn, warn or modkill you if you approach or cross the line. I am specifically most against personal attacks. These games are meant to be fun for everyone; play the game, but don't ruin the experience. 2 Absolutely, positively, no discussion about other concurrent games in this thread. This can affect other games and is unacceptable. Please do not refer to outside-of-thread activity of players in this thread. Violation of this rule will result in a warning; subsequent offences will result in a modkill.
Replacements: This game uses replacements. Replacements will be made until Night 2. If a player needs to depart after Night 2, he or she will be modkilled. No exceptions. If a player is modkilled before Night 2, they will be replaced by a player on the replacement list if possible. Type /replace if you want to be put on the replacement list.
Clues: There are no clues. The storyline in my game is for flavour purposes only.
PMs: PMs are not allowed in this game. No out-of-thread communication of any sort is allowed. The scumteam and masons, if any, will be provided a QT to communicate in.
Coaches: There will be no coaches allowed this game.
Shadows: I will permit shadows this game. If you shadow a player, I will provide a separate QT for you and your shadow. If your player happen to RNG into the scumteam, you will not have access to scum QT.
Observers: Please PM the hosts for the Observer QT once the game has started, otherwise, type /obs in the signup thread.
Time Cycle: This game will follow a 24 hour night/48 hour day-cycle. The deadline is 23:00 GMT (+00:00). Please note I am interpreting the deadline as xx:59 and I will not accept votes/actions at xx:00. Do not post after the deadline. Don't do it. The game will resume when the night post is up. There will be no scum resolution period for night actions.
Credits: Thanks to pretty much every TL mafia player/host/mod/etc who has hosted and revised rulesets/guidance. I would also like to thank Blazinghand, Hapahauli, Rasputin, Kita, Kurumi, and several others for giving me personal feedback on a fair yet fun frame for a post-restricted game. I feel the resulting range will be fair yet challenging for everyone!
This game will be a semi-open setup. Potential roles are listed here but the number of each role is unknown. There are no third party players. There are no alignment-changing mechanics. Notifications will not be made in any circumstance unless deemed absolutely necessary. Roleblocks and KP, if applicable, from opposing factions will resolve simultaneously. If either vigilante is roleblocked, his/her bullet will not be refunded. Millers, if any, are not aware this game.
Mafia formula = 1 KP, factional
Festivalgoers and the Food/Wine Experts
You win when all of the rogue vendors and staff are eliminated.
Festivalgoers (Vanilla Townie) Food, wine, and a great time. What more could you ask for? You're putting Victoria on the table for the time you're here although you're also on the lookout for any signs of people wanting to rain on your parade. You win with town.
Expatriates (Millers) You grew up in New Zealand but you've settled comfortably in Australia and have come to really enjoy your new home. But some might not be so sure of you given your accent. Are you one of us or one of them? You are not aware. As a miller, you will receive your vanilla townie PM but return red to alignment checks.
Gastronomy Director (Alignment Cop) You know many leads in the food and wine industry through Australia and NZ and as such you know the contenders and pretenders, particularly if they aren't Aussie. As the town cop you may choose one player each night and we will tell you if they are a festivalgoer or a rogue vendor.
Head of Security (Town Vigilante) An officer in the Australian Defence Force, you've become aware that NZ vendors who were recently snubbed from the festival might be trying to make their way in somehow. Might want to prevent that. As the town vigilante you have one bullet which you may use to kill one player during the night. If roleblocked, your bullet will not be refunded.
Vintner (Medic) Wine is the cure for all ills. A glass a day keeps the scum away, right? As the medic, each night you may choose a player to protect from all KP for that evening. You may not save the same player two consecutive nights and you may not protect yourself.
Communications Staff (Masons) You're on your phones 24/7, on social media 24/7 getting the word out to vendors, sponsors, and nearly everyone else about this event. You have the savvy to communicate privately without anyone else knowing. You will be provided with your own QT.
Restaurateur (Veteran) You're a well known and established restaurateur from Sydney who is making his mark with Victoria growers and producers as you look to expand into Melbourne. You know how to run and protect your businesses. As such you can protect yourself from one KP in a given night if sabotaged by one of the vendors. But should it happen again? You won’t be as fortunate.
If roleblocked, you are done for if attacked. If KP is stacked upon you, you're going under.
Inspections Director (Town Roleblocker) If any rogue vendors are trying to get by, you're the person to stop them. As the town roleblocker you may choose one player to prevent sabotage, once per night.
Rogue Vendors
Largely on your way in from New Zealand, your objective is to reduce the partygoers and festival staff to a level where they cannot overcome your numbers, or such that nothing can prevent this from happening.
The Young Viticulturalist (Mafia Godfather) You just won the Young Viticulturalist Award of the Year in NZ and now you're bitter over your creations being snubbed from the festival. But can you still hawk your wares without wine lovers telling the difference? Yes you can! You're that crafty they won't know the difference! As the mafia godfather you return green to alignment checks.
The Ignorant Tourist (Mafia Goon) Regardless of where you're actually from, you are everyone's worst nightmare when it comes to travelling. Asking all sorts of ignorant questions and loudmouthed in general, you also don't take too well to the food and wine you encounter in Victoria, to the extent you become a nuisance to the festivalgoers that do. As a mafia goon disruption is the name of the game.
Supply Chain Manager (Mafia Roleblocker) What better way to make sure the wrong types of food get in the hands of festivalgoers? Undercutting the deals that make Victoria work, of course and making sure the wares of your scumbuddies help you profit. As the mafia roleblocker you may select to spoil an Aussie's campaign (one person per night) for the evening.
Supply Chain Intern (Mafia Rolecop) You are learning how to identify the players in the food and wine industry whom you can help your bosses make your competitive targets. Once your sights are set, you can burn business through legal or illegal means. As the mafia rolecop you can select a player to learn where they stand in the industry.
Shipping Clerk (Mafia Framer) You're the master of misdirection, colluding with the supply chain department and knowing how you can help reassign blame for those mishaps. As the framer you may choose one person to frame, and that individual will return the opposite alignment if checked.
Bartender (Mafia Vigilante) You know how to mix drinks...with a little too much alcohol. A deadly amount, actually. As the mafia vigilante you can select one individual whom to fatally poison with your specialty cocktail of doom. If roleblocked, you will not have a second chance at doing so.
So here I am, getting ready for a three-week or so holiday to Australia with my partner. I've always wanted to visit Australia and New Zealand as I've heard how beautiful it is Down Under and wonderful the people are. In general, I have always loved to travel, and immerse myself in the local culture.
It just so also happens that I'm a foodie as well, and so is he, and our travels to Australia are coinciding with the largest food festival in the world.
The Melbourne Food and Wine Festival runs from 27 February through 15 March 2015 and attracts the best local and international food and wine experts and purveyors. It started as a small event in 1993 with a mere 12 events; now the programme holds in excess of 200. We are massive wine lovers and being able to attend this event is really a dream come true. We've travelled to Spain doing a similar trip a few years ago and being able to take advantage of the same in Australia will make our trip that much more exciting. Not sure if we'll have the time for a cooking class this time as we're quite on the go.
We'll be touring much of the country but spending a good solid amount of time in Victoria. A full itinerary awaits us and we'll be off to New Zealand to cap our travels. Just as awe inspiring - my best friend from university had travelled to NZ last year and had the time of her life with her husband.
The time of our lives await us, and so does plenty of wine.
What could possibly go wrong? I can taste the wine already.
On February 24 2015 23:16 Holyflare wrote: How can you host a mafia game and go to a food festival at the same time!
LOL...it's a bit ironic, my storyline is fictional but realistic. I've wanted to go to Australia for awhile and it's pure coincidence that this festival is around the corner IRL. This would be a dream trip.
Even more ironic is that I actually AM abroad atm, but not in Australia, but in the US for work for one week. I return home on the weekend.
On February 24 2015 23:16 Holyflare wrote: How can you host a mafia game and go to a food festival at the same time!
LOL...it's a bit ironic, my storyline is fictional but realistic. I've wanted to go to Australia for awhile and it's pure coincidence that this festival is around the corner IRL. This would be a dream trip.
Even more ironic is that I actually AM abroad atm, but not in Australia, but in the US for work for one week. I return home on the weekend.
Robik, it's just easier to count, really, particularly if there are shennanies The Newbies had less per cycle and they had separate pages. And to answer your previous question, NYC.
I work for a Fertility company. In not long, we will probably expand to Worldwide, in which case, assuming I stay with the company, I might go to Austrailia now and then for this reason (agriculture)
On February 25 2015 12:39 Half the Sky wrote: That's awesome Slam! Travelling for work, whilst not for everyone, can be quite fun. What parts of Australia have you been to already?
None. Company is not global yet, so, no leaving CA for me-
On February 26 2015 21:10 Half the Sky wrote: Superbia, KSC and I are both (generally) support, though I'm willing to bet you are probably god tier (5k mmr)?
I'm 4.8k party mmr. I don't solo queue. I also play every role, but prefer mid, off, roaming support or carry. Essentially everything but jungle.
On February 27 2015 05:19 IAmRobik wrote: Am I the only douche who made the transition from HoN to league because none of my friends played Doto
I was the douche who stuck with HoN for like a year after everyone switched to doto and then switched to doto.
doto needs a clone of amun-ra before he was nerfed
Also /replace
It's just so fucking annoying that HON couldn't get their shit together because their platform is infinitely better than league/doto, but management fucking sucked balls. FUCK YOU MALIKEN IN CASE YOU READ THIS YOU PIECE OF SHIT
You can shadow me if you'd like, but you better fucking ask questions and not be a lazy fuck who just expects me to explain everything -.- Also, I'm really angry 95% of the time, but I'm clearly the best mafia player in the world, so I have the most to share
27 February 2015 Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
"The hell are you going to Melbourne on your holiday?" exclaimed DarthPunk when we met him outside the airport with LightningStrike. "Breshke just picked up Koshi and Kita and he was telling them the same thing. Unfortunately for Koshi, his wife is a wine addict and she'd kill him if they didn't go to the damn festival."
"Well DP," I replied to him, "I am a massive wine addict too."
DP glared at me.
"DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? Melbourne has a hipster problem! There are too many idiots in that city. There are going to be too many idiots in the form of ignorant tourists. Even worse, I'm sure some of those damn vendors from New Zealand will find some way to weasel their way into the food chain. And you have better wine in Europe."
"DP will you just leave them alone?" retorted Lightning. "I'm just glad to be in a country where I'm LEGAL!!"
"How old do you need to be in the US?" I asked.
"Twenty-one," LS replied. "The law in our country is bullshit."
"Well that's an entirely different problem altogether," responded DP. "Our wines are still much better than those in New Zealand. So enjoy yourself whilst you're here."
"Well not too much," I cautioned. "OnceKing's girlfriend was drunk texting me last night. So that's a case in point."
As if on cue, DP's phone went off. It was a text from OnceKing. The good news? He'd won a wine swag bag.
"Very nice!" remarked DP. "What winery? Where's the origin?"
"Waikato," OnceKing responded.
"Excuse me?"
"The bottle is saying Waikato. It doesn't sound Australian I don't think."
I looked up the location. It was an area on New Zealand's North Island.
"Ah, for fuck's sake, I knew it!" DP cynically shouted. "Melbourne is filled with hipsters and the load of foreign vendors trying to take advantage of this festival! Why didn't you visit Victoria AFTER this shit died down?"
"Bah," muttered Lightning. "You're so negative. What part of Australia are you from again?"
"That's besides the point. Those hipsters will never go away, but even worse there's too many people about trying to ruin everyone's parade."
Day 1 has begun.
Day 1 ends in 48 hours at 23:00 GMT (+00:00) At that time, the player with the most votes gets lynched. The voting thread is located here. Countdown:
HtS don't you know it's been like 3 games since I rolled scum so that means you were supposed to make me roll scum. But no you give me boring VT. Like I hate rolling VT is boring.
fucking good idea Robik easily one of the best ive ever seen so amazing truth be told ive never seen a better player in my entire life violent tantrums aside all of your plays make so much sense but little do scum know you are the greatest of all time, they only think you are a rager every game but rightfully I know better, so follow Robik's order.
On February 27 2015 08:25 IAmRobik wrote: VA, I don't know why you wouldn't just merge your town range into your mafia range. You're making yourself so fucking obvious
On February 27 2015 08:33 VayneAuthority wrote: metas are meant to be broken
like buildings
and people
a likely story
-rolls around the thread-
ritoky are you happy? you seem happy. should I be glad you're happy?
VA was clearly indicating that we should lynch from worst LoL player to best LoL player as an order, I think you missed that.
If you're mafia then you shouldn't be glad.
This is a terrible idea as I would be lynched first and I'm VT. I've never played LoL before, I have never played a Moba before therefore I am the worst player here.
I have a few questions in already on the post-count restriction. Addressing the thread accordingly:
1 EBWOPs do count as additional posts. Condense regardless as you will.
2 Voting is mandatory but does not need to be done in this thread though you certainly can. Posts that count towards the limit are only those that are in this thread, not votes in the voting thread.
I know Robik had inquired pre-game why I had a separate voting thread despite the low resultant nr of pages, but a second reason I did is if someone hits their limit for the day and they want to switch their vote, they can still do so in the voting thread without being penalised by us.
On February 27 2015 10:20 Trfel wrote: ##vote rsoultin
My heart, it breaks ;o;
On February 27 2015 12:07 Onegu wrote:
On February 27 2015 12:06 rsoultin wrote: So...can I join the cool kids' club of idiot cop claims, too? Can I? Can I? xD
Does this mean you will flip blue when you die?
Now why you ask such questions, Onegu? :0
Joke from the miller thing.
Oh, right, right. What was my line again?
AS BLUE AS YOU JACKASS!
Actually lol I have no clue how blue you are. You could bleed red. Now wouldn't that be embarrassing? o.0 Thoughts so far, Onegu? This game is off to a weird start lol
On February 27 2015 10:20 Trfel wrote: ##vote rsoultin
My heart, it breaks ;o;
On February 27 2015 12:07 Onegu wrote:
On February 27 2015 12:06 rsoultin wrote: So...can I join the cool kids' club of idiot cop claims, too? Can I? Can I? xD
Does this mean you will flip blue when you die?
Now why you ask such questions, Onegu? :0
Joke from the miller thing.
Oh, right, right. What was my line again?
AS BLUE AS YOU JACKASS!
Actually lol I have no clue how blue you are. You could bleed red. Now wouldn't that be embarrassing? o.0 Thoughts so far, Onegu? This game is off to a weird start lol
I already claimed VT I bleed this weird ugly puke green. Nothing really stood out so far, thought I'd get a bit more discussion with the claims but then everyone kinda just left which was kinda odd to me.
On February 27 2015 12:29 Oatsmaster wrote: palmar is absolutely a fucking lier but hes not scum.
You got that from his two ever-so-enlightening posts?
-bows to the Palmar!whisperer-
EBWOP:
While I love that you're supporting my ever-so-awesome ninja efforts, Oats, let me illuminate the purpose of sarcastic!rsoul in this post. (Yes, I'm still considering that sarcasm sign.)
Explain your read, Oats. It's clear as mud to me how you can have Palmar's alignment figured out already.
On February 27 2015 12:29 Oatsmaster wrote: palmar is absolutely a fucking lier but hes not scum.
You got that from his two ever-so-enlightening posts?
-bows to the Palmar!whisperer-
EBWOP:
While I love that you're supporting my ever-so-awesome ninja efforts, Oats, let me illuminate the purpose of sarcastic!rsoul in this post. (Yes, I'm still considering that sarcasm sign.)
Explain your read, Oats. It's clear as mud to me how you can have Palmar's alignment figured out already.
Scum Palmar isnt an idiot. Town Palmar sometimes is.
Ezpz.
I dont understand how this is in any way important.
I'm going to head to sleep now, but I figured I would share some thoughts first.
First, this is obviously a post restricted game, and I intend to do my best to use my posts effectively. At times, this can mean communicating my thoughts through the voting thread (see my vote and later unvote on rsoultin). I feel that my reasons for both of these actions were obvious, though I do intend to explain.
My real question is, where does the nonsense end and the game start? I feel like there has been a lot more opening nonsense this game than in most, and this game is the one with post restrictions.
Here's the reasons for my suspicions of rsoultin.
I can understand wasting posts at the start of the game, but the post wasting continued for quite some time. Rsoultin's posts felt like they came later, more of as an afterthought, while it was after the point that nonsense posts had any value in at least starting the conversation. By the time rsoultin first posted, we had Robik wasting five posts, VayneAuthority voting for Oatsmaster, two vanilla town claims, and a cop claim. Plenty of random things to start the game, no more is needed. And then comes this wonderful post.
On February 27 2015 08:33 VayneAuthority wrote: metas are meant to be broken
like buildings
and people
a likely story
-rolls around the thread-
ritoky are you happy? you seem happy. should I be glad you're happy?
Rsoultin isn't saying anything at all here, and she isn't making a joke or an interesting comment. "Rolling around the thread" and discussing happiness feels a bit out of place, though I'm bad at tone reads. My point is that I expect rsoultin to be sensible enough to conserve posts to some degree, and I don't see that here. Thus, my vote communicated the simple message of "step it up and play the game". Rsoultin shared a small number of game-related thoughts, and I removed my vote for now.
I know that many people have made useless posts, I just think rsoultin looks more suspicious for it because she is sensible enough not to and she started doing so well after everyone else did. I am very interested to see where rsoultin goes from here.
I'm going to head to sleep now, but I figured I would share some thoughts first.
First, this is obviously a post restricted game, and I intend to do my best to use my posts effectively. At times, this can mean communicating my thoughts through the voting thread (see my vote and later unvote on rsoultin). I feel that my reasons for both of these actions were obvious, though I do intend to explain.
My real question is, where does the nonsense end and the game start? I feel like there has been a lot more opening nonsense this game than in most, and this game is the one with post restrictions.
Here's the reasons for my suspicions of rsoultin.
I can understand wasting posts at the start of the game, but the post wasting continued for quite some time. Rsoultin's posts felt like they came later, more of as an afterthought, while it was after the point that nonsense posts had any value in at least starting the conversation. By the time rsoultin first posted, we had Robik wasting five posts, VayneAuthority voting for Oatsmaster, two vanilla town claims, and a cop claim. Plenty of random things to start the game, no more is needed. And then comes this wonderful post.
On February 27 2015 08:33 VayneAuthority wrote: metas are meant to be broken
like buildings
and people
a likely story
-rolls around the thread-
ritoky are you happy? you seem happy. should I be glad you're happy?
Rsoultin isn't saying anything at all here, and she isn't making a joke or an interesting comment. "Rolling around the thread" and discussing happiness feels a bit out of place, though I'm bad at tone reads. My point is that I expect rsoultin to be sensible enough to conserve posts to some degree, and I don't see that here. Thus, my vote communicated the simple message of "step it up and play the game". Rsoultin shared a small number of game-related thoughts, and I removed my vote for now.
I know that many people have made useless posts, I just think rsoultin looks more suspicious for it because she is sensible enough not to and she started doing so well after everyone else did. I am very interested to see where rsoultin goes from here.
Thoughts?
feels like your giving an overly serious read just for the sake of giving a read.
I'm going to head to sleep now, but I figured I would share some thoughts first.
First, this is obviously a post restricted game, and I intend to do my best to use my posts effectively. At times, this can mean communicating my thoughts through the voting thread (see my vote and later unvote on rsoultin). I feel that my reasons for both of these actions were obvious, though I do intend to explain.
My real question is, where does the nonsense end and the game start? I feel like there has been a lot more opening nonsense this game than in most, and this game is the one with post restrictions.
Here's the reasons for my suspicions of rsoultin.
I can understand wasting posts at the start of the game, but the post wasting continued for quite some time. Rsoultin's posts felt like they came later, more of as an afterthought, while it was after the point that nonsense posts had any value in at least starting the conversation. By the time rsoultin first posted, we had Robik wasting five posts, VayneAuthority voting for Oatsmaster, two vanilla town claims, and a cop claim. Plenty of random things to start the game, no more is needed. And then comes this wonderful post.
On February 27 2015 08:33 VayneAuthority wrote: metas are meant to be broken
like buildings
and people
a likely story
-rolls around the thread-
ritoky are you happy? you seem happy. should I be glad you're happy?
Rsoultin isn't saying anything at all here, and she isn't making a joke or an interesting comment. "Rolling around the thread" and discussing happiness feels a bit out of place, though I'm bad at tone reads. My point is that I expect rsoultin to be sensible enough to conserve posts to some degree, and I don't see that here. Thus, my vote communicated the simple message of "step it up and play the game". Rsoultin shared a small number of game-related thoughts, and I removed my vote for now.
I know that many people have made useless posts, I just think rsoultin looks more suspicious for it because she is sensible enough not to and she started doing so well after everyone else did. I am very interested to see where rsoultin goes from here.
Thoughts?
First: lamesauce. There was perhaps one post since I entered the thread that didn't have a particular purpose, and newsflash: the one you quoted wasn't it. I'm not going to translate myself for y'all, but you're free to ask me what I'm on about if you like. That's the more townie way of going about things
Second: Out of all the things going on in the thread, this is what you choose to talk about?
Third: 60 posts a day phase. 60. You can't take two for votes and unvotes? You have to wait for Oats and I to vote you first before you can be bothered to explain yourself, instead thinking we'll read your mind? lol that's rich
Fourth: Don't think I'm not aware that you're scared of me catching you when you roll scum. My Trfel BS-dar is particularly good So you going out of your way not to say a word is very suspicious Truffle-wuffle.
Fifth: If you don't like the direction of the thread, shouldn't you be in here guiding it rather than lurking and casting votes without explanations? You know, that other townie thing players do as town?
Conclusion: I like my vote where it stands right now ^^
On February 27 2015 12:29 Oatsmaster wrote: palmar is absolutely a fucking lier but hes not scum.
You got that from his two ever-so-enlightening posts?
-bows to the Palmar!whisperer-
EBWOP:
While I love that you're supporting my ever-so-awesome ninja efforts, Oats, let me illuminate the purpose of sarcastic!rsoul in this post. (Yes, I'm still considering that sarcasm sign.)
Explain your read, Oats. It's clear as mud to me how you can have Palmar's alignment figured out already.
Scum Palmar isnt an idiot. Town Palmar sometimes is.
Ezpz.
I dont understand how this is in any way important.
If you can't figure out why people would want to know how you arrived at your reads (here's a clue: it has to do with determining alignments for two players) then there's no hope for you, Oats xP
I think it's weird that Trfel is complaining about the amount of nonsense in this thread after 3 pages. First of all, there's rarely any decent content after 3 pages. Second of all, there's often a lot more than 3 pages before the nonsense phase of the game is over.
btw the cop claims are pretty useless if you have my role. host literally gave me the entire scum team so i don't have to wait until night just to get a single check, i know them all already.
btw the cop claims are pretty useless if you have my role. host literally gave me the entire scum team so i don't have to wait until night just to get a single check, i know them all already.
Prplhz with the scum claim, woot woot, share your scum team?
BTW when people say they forget something they shouldn't have forgotten it really gives me the hebbie Jeebies, like when Koshi said he forgot who I was in Horn of Africa, or robik saying he forgot about me in hammertime mafia. It is just something that sits with me the wrong way.
On February 27 2015 17:01 Onegu wrote: BTW when people say they forget something they shouldn't have forgotten it really gives me the hebbie Jeebies, like when Koshi said he forgot who I was in Horn of Africa, or robik saying he forgot about me in hammertime mafia. It is just something that sits with me the wrong way.
sounds like someone just wants senpai to notice them.
On February 27 2015 17:01 Onegu wrote: BTW when people say they forget something they shouldn't have forgotten it really gives me the hebbie Jeebies, like when Koshi said he forgot who I was in Horn of Africa, or robik saying he forgot about me in hammertime mafia. It is just something that sits with me the wrong way.
sounds like someone just wants senpai to notice them.
Lol yep, but what I was saying was like in hammer time robik was my scummmate, and in horn Koshi was scum and like the week before he asked me how my kids were doing after I had been gone for like 8 months. I'm saying if it seems really convienient for someone to forget something than it usually is.
Prp what are you doing.??? Why not tell us if you know the whole mafia team??
Rsoultin, the reason why my read on palmar is not important is because he posted 2 posts, so my read is going to be super superficial and not useful at all.
I am only nine years old, I love prplhz so much, I've saved all his posts and framed the best ones. I pray to prplhz every night, thanking him for the life I have been given. "prplhz is love", I say, "prplhz is life".
Robik hears me and calls me a faggot. He is obviously jealous of my devotion to prplhz. I call him a cunt. He slaps me and sends me to my room. I am crying now, because my face hurts. I go into my bed and it is very cold.
I feel a warmth moving towards me. I fell something touch me. It's prplhz, I am so happy. He whispers into my ear, "This is my town". He grabs me with his powerful hands and puts me on my hands and knees. I'm ready. I spread my ass cheeks for prplhz. He penetrates my butthole. It hurts so much, but I do it for prplhz. I can feel my anus tearing as my eyes start to water. I push against his force. I want to please prplhz. He roars a mighty roar as he fills my butt with his love.
Robik walks in. prplhz looks him deep in the eyes and says, "It's all over now". prplhz leaves through my window.
I think it's weird that Trfel is complaining about the amount of nonsense in this thread after 3 pages. First of all, there's rarely any decent content after 3 pages. Second of all, there's often a lot more than 3 pages before the nonsense phase of the game is over.
##Vote Trfel
We can vote in here too right?
This isn't what he was really saying. He was saying it was surprising that rsoultin specifically joined in with the dicking around because he expected her specifically to be more suspicious.
So you call him weird for something he wasn't actually talking about and vote him that seems like you trying to jump into the thread and latch onto something m
Why palmar is calling you town for that makes no sense to me
The thing is Trfel's read isn't a read at all. It's like that one dude writing a 1000 word post in the first cell mafia game, the post said "i don't know who is mafia in thiss cell"..
I think it's weird that Trfel is complaining about the amount of nonsense in this thread after 3 pages. First of all, there's rarely any decent content after 3 pages. Second of all, there's often a lot more than 3 pages before the nonsense phase of the game is over.
##Vote Trfel
We can vote in here too right?
This isn't what he was really saying.
[...]
The part of his post where I think he is saying just that is the following part:
On February 27 2015 14:05 Trfel wrote: [...]
I feel like there has been a lot more opening nonsense this game than in most[...]
And I am kind of piling on. Your point on Trfel was alright, rsoultin had something in there I understood too. I think I see where you and Oatsmaster and raynpelikoneet are coming from, but I think this is an important point too. I don't think any townie should really think that this game is so much more full of nonsense than other games that they'd feel the need to point it out. Like, I'm usually the guy who is the most easily annoyed by people messing around doing nothing and I didn't think it was happening.
I also think it's weird that IAmRobik didn't vote Trfel. This Trfel post seems like a post IAmRobik would vote Trfel for. IAmRobik has been around to comment on Alakaslam's weird zen garden video, why didn't he throw a vote at Trfel at the same occasion?
Okay...so looking back at the voting thread and marrying it up to the times posting in the thread, a couple thoughts:
- Trfel's timing with the vote and unvote is consistent with my "nonsense" becoming less nonsensical when it comes to my posts. Okay; that's fair. - I caught him within two posts in his one scum game. That would make me think he'd want to avoid my attention rather than attract it by voting me if he were scum, but that's a weaker point.
However, there are still some big concerns here:
- His one post this game came 30 minutes after he became the leading wagon. - His read is essentially Robik's complaint (same quote) expanded to mini-novel size. Nothing earth-shatteringly insightful in it. - His post reads like he suspects me...yet he unvoted me awhile back? That's strange. - If it was a pressure vote, how do you expect to use it effectively without giving a reason for the vote unless it's for pure inactivity? (Which clearly wasn't the case here.)
(Interesting sidenote: Sheeping Robik's read and Robik not commenting on the post is a curious coincidence.)
So how many of y'all are actually voting Trfel right now, btw? This isn't the voting thread xP
I think it's weird that Trfel is complaining about the amount of nonsense in this thread after 3 pages. First of all, there's rarely any decent content after 3 pages. Second of all, there's often a lot more than 3 pages before the nonsense phase of the game is over.
##Vote Trfel
We can vote in here too right?
This isn't what he was really saying.
[...]
The part of his post where I think he is saying just that is the following part:
I feel like there has been a lot more opening nonsense this game than in most[...]
And I am kind of piling on. Your point on Trfel was alright, rsoultin had something in there I understood too. I think I see where you and Oatsmaster and raynpelikoneet are coming from, but I think this is an important point too. I don't think any townie should really think that this game is so much more full of nonsense than other games that they'd feel the need to point it out. Like, I'm usually the guy who is the most easily annoyed by people messing around doing nothing and I didn't think it was happening.
I also think it's weird that IAmRobik didn't vote Trfel. This Trfel post seems like a post IAmRobik would vote Trfel for. IAmRobik has been around to comment on Alakaslam's weird zen garden video, why didn't he throw a vote at Trfel at the same occasion?
What do you mean you understand where rayn,oats and I are coming from? Rayn just said he was voting trefl, he's just doing his thing where he doesn't explain reads, oats hasn't said anything in trefl I'm pretty sure.
As for why robik hasn't voted I don't think it's "weird"
I will address my pressure on rsoultin, once again. Apparently I wasn't very clear the first time.
My voting had two goals: pressure rsoultin into playing the game properly, and provide something serious for people to talk about. I believe that both goals have been met.
My first post was somewhat ambiguously worded. This was intentional, to get an additional read on rsoultin. I generally doubt my reads a ton, and rsoultin is aware of this:
On February 18 2015 08:59 rsoultin wrote: If this is Truffle's scum game, he's improved by a mile. So I doubt it is. The work he's been putting in is classic town!Trfel, and he's also normally riddled with doubts. The naysayer, if you will, even on his own cases xP
However, rsoultin responds as follows:
On February 27 2015 14:26 rsoultin wrote: Truffle's post: + Show Spoiler +
On February 27 2015 14:05 Trfel wrote: Hi.
I'm going to head to sleep now, but I figured I would share some thoughts first.
First, this is obviously a post restricted game, and I intend to do my best to use my posts effectively. At times, this can mean communicating my thoughts through the voting thread (see my vote and later unvote on rsoultin). I feel that my reasons for both of these actions were obvious, though I do intend to explain.
My real question is, where does the nonsense end and the game start? I feel like there has been a lot more opening nonsense this game than in most, and this game is the one with post restrictions.
Here's the reasons for my suspicions of rsoultin.
I can understand wasting posts at the start of the game, but the post wasting continued for quite some time. Rsoultin's posts felt like they came later, more of as an afterthought, while it was after the point that nonsense posts had any value in at least starting the conversation. By the time rsoultin first posted, we had Robik wasting five posts, VayneAuthority voting for Oatsmaster, two vanilla town claims, and a cop claim. Plenty of random things to start the game, no more is needed. And then comes this wonderful post.
On February 27 2015 08:33 VayneAuthority wrote: metas are meant to be broken
like buildings
and people
a likely story
-rolls around the thread-
ritoky are you happy? you seem happy. should I be glad you're happy?
Rsoultin isn't saying anything at all here, and she isn't making a joke or an interesting comment. "Rolling around the thread" and discussing happiness feels a bit out of place, though I'm bad at tone reads. My point is that I expect rsoultin to be sensible enough to conserve posts to some degree, and I don't see that here. Thus, my vote communicated the simple message of "step it up and play the game". Rsoultin shared a small number of game-related thoughts, and I removed my vote for now.
I know that many people have made useless posts, I just think rsoultin looks more suspicious for it because she is sensible enough not to and she started doing so well after everyone else did. I am very interested to see where rsoultin goes from here.
Thoughts?
First: lamesauce. There was perhaps one post since I entered the thread that didn't have a particular purpose, and newsflash: the one you quoted wasn't it. I'm not going to translate myself for y'all, but you're free to ask me what I'm on about if you like. That's the more townie way of going about things
Second: Out of all the things going on in the thread, this is what you choose to talk about?
Third: 60 posts a day phase. 60. You can't take two for votes and unvotes? You have to wait for Oats and I to vote you first before you can be bothered to explain yourself, instead thinking we'll read your mind? lol that's rich
Fourth: Don't think I'm not aware that you're scared of me catching you when you roll scum. My Trfel BS-dar is particularly good So you going out of your way not to say a word is very suspicious Truffle-wuffle.
Fifth: If you don't like the direction of the thread, shouldn't you be in here guiding it rather than lurking and casting votes without explanations? You know, that other townie thing players do as town?
Conclusion: I like my vote where it stands right now ^^
On February 27 2015 12:29 Oatsmaster wrote: palmar is absolutely a fucking lier but hes not scum.
You got that from his two ever-so-enlightening posts?
-bows to the Palmar!whisperer-
EBWOP:
While I love that you're supporting my ever-so-awesome ninja efforts, Oats, let me illuminate the purpose of sarcastic!rsoul in this post. (Yes, I'm still considering that sarcasm sign.)
Explain your read, Oats. It's clear as mud to me how you can have Palmar's alignment figured out already.
Scum Palmar isnt an idiot. Town Palmar sometimes is.
Ezpz.
I dont understand how this is in any way important.
If you can't figure out why people would want to know how you arrived at your reads (here's a clue: it has to do with determining alignments for two players) then there's no hope for you, Oats xP
Sarcastic and dismissive. This is what I would expect from mafia!rsoultin who sees a weakly worded suspicion of her. In contrast, I do not know specifically what town!rsoultin would do in this situation, but I don't think she would directly attack my suspicions. That is the easy way out, but town!rsoultin knows better.
While the points that rsoultin makes are all true, rsoultin knows how I play better than this, so I don't think that town!rsoultin would respond in this manner. Yes, it's a meta read, but rsoultin has played in almost all, if not all, of the games that I have played in.
I'm not saying that I am upset that people have been spamming and wasting posts. I don't have any control of how anyone chooses to use their posts. My point is that after the very start of the game, wasting posts has a mafia motivation of appearing active, creating confusion, and more quickly hitting the post limit so you "can't" provide thoughts later in the game. And after the foundation of wasted posts has been set, further wasted posts have only the potential town motivation of posting for the sake of posting. Based on what I know of rsoultin's play, and how rsoultin was one of the later players to start wasting a moderate number of posts, I feel that the way rsoultin wasted posts was suspicious while I don't feel the same for other players.
However, looking at rsoultin's play after this post, she seems to have begun actually playing the game. And this is another reason for me to unvote. In my last game, I eventually lost town the game at 3 player LYLO because I was twice tunneled on town targets and failed to see the bigger picture. Even though I am suspicious of rsoultin here, it is very possible that she is town, and I refuse to let myself tunnel someone to death when it is avoidable. Therefore, I leave a moderate suspicion of rsoultin, and will carefully watch what she does when she plays the game more seriously.
The problem Trfel is, as town you have reads, as mafia you don't.
Like here, now, you have said the same thing two times and both of the times the post says "i did something to poke rsoultin to get an alignment indicative reaction form her, but i don't know if what she said is scummy or not".
You point out a lot stuff that in your opinion is scummy, but they do not end up in a scumread, in fact they don't end up in any kind of read and tbh this part of your post:
While the points that rsoultin makes are all true, rsoultin knows how I play better than this, so I don't think that town!rsoultin would respond in this manner. Yes, it's a meta read, but rsoultin has played in almost all, if not all, of the games that I have played in.
.. is what mafia says when they are caught. You are literally saying "i did a scummy thing and noone should call me scum for it because it was intentional".
On February 28 2015 01:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: The problem Trfel is, as town you have reads, as mafia you don't.
Like here, now, you have said the same thing two times and both of the times the post says "i did something to poke rsoultin to get an alignment indicative reaction form her, but i don't know if what she said is scummy or not".
You point out a lot stuff that in your opinion is scummy, but they do not end up in a scumread, in fact they don't end up in any kind of read and tbh this part of your post:
While the points that rsoultin makes are all true, rsoultin knows how I play better than this, so I don't think that town!rsoultin would respond in this manner. Yes, it's a meta read, but rsoultin has played in almost all, if not all, of the games that I have played in.
.. is what mafia says when they are caught. You are literally saying "i did a scummy thing and noone should call me scum for it because it was intentional".
I am not saying anything about my own alignment. What I am saying is that I am moderately suspicious of rsoultin, and I am explaining why I feel this way.
I suppose I ought to ask, what exactly would you consider to be a scumread? I've generally only used the term for people I would be relatively happy to lynch at that very moment, and it would be silly for me to apply that level of certainty to a read less than halfway through Day 1.
Comparing KelsierSC's play in this game to his town play in VII Titanic and his scum play in Carol of the Bells, I would give KelsierSC a slight town read this game.
On February 28 2015 01:54 Oatsmaster wrote: yeah pretty much trefel says, Rsoul is scummy but townie at the same time.
And the meta read is like super weird.
The reason why I voted trefel is because rsoul voted trefel and I was like, WHY NOT!??
There is nothing this game that rsoultin has done that is townie so far. I am sure I did not say that anything that rsoultin has done is townie.
What I am saying is that there is still a distinct possibility that rsoultin is town, and therefore I do not have an extremely confident read less than halfway through Day 1.
I am suspicious of rsoultin because of the meta read that I provided. I believe that is rather clear.
However, looking at rsoultin's play after this post, she seems to have begun actually playing the game. And this is another reason for me to unvote. In my last game, I eventually lost town the game at 3 player LYLO because I was twice tunneled on town targets and failed to see the bigger picture.
Why would mafia rsoultin make that post? I dont see any evidence in your previous post except that "she will do this as mafia because she knows better as town" Thats not evidence, thats not even a meta read.
Trfel (and everyone else) i am trying to thin what you did and why you did what you did assuming you are town which would mean your explanation is legit and not bullshit. So here is what you said you did: 1) You intentionally worded one of your posts poorly to get a reaction from rsoultin 2) rsoultin gives a reaction 3) you seem to be having no idea what this reaction means
This, to me, sound unbelievable because when you do a reaction test you are supposed to have a clue of what whichever answer the target gives means. There is literally no point in doing such things if you can't get anything out of it (as you now claim). Which leads me to believe you actually did this: 1) you made a terrible opening 2) rsoultin caught you 3) you are now in damage control mode and changing your story
On February 28 2015 02:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Trfel (and everyone else) i am trying to thin what you did and why you did what you did assuming you are town which would mean your explanation is legit and not bullshit. So here is what you said you did: 1) You intentionally worded one of your posts poorly to get a reaction from rsoultin 2) rsoultin gives a reaction 3) you seem to be having no idea what this reaction means
This, to me, sound unbelievable because when you do a reaction test you are supposed to have a clue of what whichever answer the target gives means. There is literally no point in doing such things if you can't get anything out of it (as you now claim). Which leads me to believe you actually did this: 1) you made a terrible opening 2) rsoultin caught you 3) you are now in damage control mode and changing your story
which means mafia.
This is the kind of stuff I find reliable about you rayn.
My opening post was not entirely a reaction test. The wording slightly served that purpose, but it still communicated the point that I was suspicious of rsoultin and showed why I was doing so. My story has never changed in the slightest.
As for the reaction itself, I already showed why I see it as being more likely to come from mafia!rsoultin than town!rsoultin. And I clearly stated that. I knew what I was looking for as I made the post, and I found it, and I have a conclusion. That does not mean that I have 100% confidence in my conclusion, but it is something else to use. I do not understand why everyone seems to expect 100% confidence in my reads.
However, looking at rsoultin's play after this post, she seems to have begun actually playing the game. And this is another reason for me to unvote. In my last game, I eventually lost town the game at 3 player LYLO because I was twice tunneled on town targets and failed to see the bigger picture.
Why would mafia rsoultin make that post? I dont see any evidence in your previous post except that "she will do this as mafia because she knows better as town" Thats not evidence, thats not even a meta read.
This post is nonsense. First, the portion of my post that you quoted is not at all relevant to the comments after. Second, yet again I discussed this point very clearly. Allow me to quote myself:
On February 28 2015 00:57 Trfel wrote: My point is that after the very start of the game, wasting posts has a mafia motivation of appearing active, creating confusion, and more quickly hitting the post limit so you "can't" provide thoughts later in the game. And after the foundation of wasted posts has been set, further wasted posts have only the potential town motivation of posting for the sake of posting.
I have made a consistent point throughout all of my posts. I often suffer from not being clear enough in my reads, and this game is no exception. By this point, I have made my stance and my reasoning extremely clear. I don't necessarily expect people to agree with me, but I do expect people to read what I am saying, which would show a clear stance on rsoultin across all of my posts.
I do not understand why everyone seems to expect 100% confidence in my reads.
Nobody is expecting 100% confidence but your job as town is to lynch mafia and you are not even voting foryour only scumread in the game. You have said you think she is scummy but your posting doesn't really follow that thought because every other sentence is basically "she could be town aswell". You are not pressuring her into giving more info on her alignment. You apparently have no other scumreads.
So if you are not confident that rsoultin is mafia to even vote for her why are you not trying to pressure her and/or why are you not trying to find other mafia?
And btw your "consistent" points are obvious, everyone should know those things. Lurking is bad, wasting posts is bad, bla bla who cares? Everyone knows this shit.
If you're town, please prove it to me. I'm not going to pick apart your post, primarily because it's being done for me, and I'm also aware that some of the departure from what I expect out of town!Trfel may well be because you're attempting to use your vote for a wider range of purposes and because you were told it can help to include meta in your play. Suffice it to say that thus far your explanations have not impressed me.
@rayn
I like where your head's at this game. I understand you were miffed from last game and may not want to give reasons for your reads, but where did the Onegu scum-lean come from? I have him as null right now.
I do not understand why everyone seems to expect 100% confidence in my reads.
Nobody is expecting 100% confidence but your job as town is to lynch mafia and you are not even voting foryour only scumread in the game. You have said you think she is scummy but your posting doesn't really follow that thought because every other sentence is basically "she could be town aswell". You are not pressuring her into giving more info on her alignment. You apparently have no other scumreads.
So if you are not confident that rsoultin is mafia to even vote for her why are you not trying to pressure her and/or why are you not trying to find other mafia?
On February 28 2015 02:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: And btw your "consistent" points are obvious, everyone should know those things. Lurking is bad, wasting posts is bad, bla bla who cares? Everyone knows this shit.
I will talk about this one last time.
I already stated why I am not voting for my only suspect, it is because I want to ensure that I do not tunnel and I want to give rsoultin a chance to play the game properly first. For now, my pressure vote has served its purpose. I do not see the purpose of voting for rsoultin at this time, now that she is actually playing the game, I will wait to see what she comes up with. All of these statements are easily supported by quotes in my filter.
I have been trying to find the other mafia, I have taken a look at several players and have been trying to use meta to wade through the mess in this game. That is why I feel that KelsierSC is probably town. Unfortunately, my tone reads aren't that good, so I'm having some trouble making a bunch of good reads. I have shared what are (in my opinion, clearly not in everyone else's opinion) my two solid reads.
The consistency throughout my posts is not that wasting posts is bad, but that I am suspicious of rsoultin for her early posting. There is a big difference.
I think it's weird that Trfel is complaining about the amount of nonsense in this thread after 3 pages. First of all, there's rarely any decent content after 3 pages. Second of all, there's often a lot more than 3 pages before the nonsense phase of the game is over.
##Vote Trfel
We can vote in here too right?
This isn't what he was really saying.
[...]
The part of his post where I think he is saying just that is the following part:
I feel like there has been a lot more opening nonsense this game than in most[...]
And I am kind of piling on. Your point on Trfel was alright, rsoultin had something in there I understood too. I think I see where you and Oatsmaster and raynpelikoneet are coming from, but I think this is an important point too. I don't think any townie should really think that this game is so much more full of nonsense than other games that they'd feel the need to point it out. Like, I'm usually the guy who is the most easily annoyed by people messing around doing nothing and I didn't think it was happening.
I also think it's weird that IAmRobik didn't vote Trfel. This Trfel post seems like a post IAmRobik would vote Trfel for. IAmRobik has been around to comment on Alakaslam's weird zen garden video, why didn't he throw a vote at Trfel at the same occasion?
that would require me to read posts over 50 words.
On February 27 2015 18:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oats is weird.
There is no statement more true in the history of mafia. I hate when people say "weird" because it's not a real read, but oats post basically saying "wtf va...vote robik" was just so mindblowingly dumb that I don't know if he's mafia or if he's the cop.
On February 27 2015 18:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oats is weird.
There is no statement more true in the history of mafia. I hate when people say "weird" because it's not a real read, but oats post basically saying "wtf va...vote robik" was just so mindblowingly dumb that I don't know if he's mafia or if he's the cop.
How in the world was it weird?
wtf VA was because hes an idiot, and the vote is because you are both bad and an idiot.
Like legit you fakeclaimed but because you fakeclaimed first you can die.
On February 27 2015 18:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oats is weird.
There is no statement more true in the history of mafia. I hate when people say "weird" because it's not a real read, but oats post basically saying "wtf va...vote robik" was just so mindblowingly dumb that I don't know if he's mafia or if he's the cop.
How in the world was it weird?
wtf VA was because hes an idiot, and the vote is because you are both bad and an idiot.
Like legit you fakeclaimed but because you fakeclaimed first you can die.
I like where your head's at this game. I understand you were miffed from last game and may not want to give reasons for your reads, but where did the Onegu scum-lean come from? I have him as null right now.
He makes a really bad comment about me on Kelsier read. Then he doesn't even comment on the original post. tbh by that post alone (which i made) he should read me as town.
On February 27 2015 18:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oats is weird.
There is no statement more true in the history of mafia. I hate when people say "weird" because it's not a real read, but oats post basically saying "wtf va...vote robik" was just so mindblowingly dumb that I don't know if he's mafia or if he's the cop.
I mean the fact he started game unnecessarily angry. Oats is angry but you and Vayne were fucking around and he came in with just yelling dumb shit.
I like where your head's at this game. I understand you were miffed from last game and may not want to give reasons for your reads, but where did the Onegu scum-lean come from? I have him as null right now.
He makes a really bad comment about me on Kelsier read. Then he doesn't even comment on the original post. tbh by that post alone (which i made) he should read me as town.
On February 27 2015 18:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oats is weird.
There is no statement more true in the history of mafia. I hate when people say "weird" because it's not a real read, but oats post basically saying "wtf va...vote robik" was just so mindblowingly dumb that I don't know if he's mafia or if he's the cop.
I mean the fact he started game unnecessarily angry. Oats is angry but you and Vayne were fucking around and he came in with just yelling dumb shit.
I mean, I started off by fucking around, but I am being genuine about wanting to lynch VA. How do you feel about him./
On February 28 2015 03:40 IAmRobik wrote: I mean, I started off by fucking around, but I am being genuine about wanting to lynch VA. How do you feel about him./
Prpl you have to explain how you can like what oats,rayn and I were thinking because oats didn't talk about trefl , rayn had basically said no explanation
On February 27 2015 18:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oats is weird.
There is no statement more true in the history of mafia. I hate when people say "weird" because it's not a real read, but oats post basically saying "wtf va...vote robik" was just so mindblowingly dumb that I don't know if he's mafia or if he's the cop.
How in the world was it weird?
wtf VA was because hes an idiot, and the vote is because you are both bad and an idiot.
Like legit you fakeclaimed but because you fakeclaimed first you can die.
I like where your head's at this game. I understand you were miffed from last game and may not want to give reasons for your reads, but where did the Onegu scum-lean come from? I have him as null right now.
He makes a really bad comment about me on Kelsier read. Then he doesn't even comment on the original post. tbh by that post alone (which i made) he should read me as town.
On February 27 2015 18:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oats is weird.
There is no statement more true in the history of mafia. I hate when people say "weird" because it's not a real read, but oats post basically saying "wtf va...vote robik" was just so mindblowingly dumb that I don't know if he's mafia or if he's the cop.
I mean the fact he started game unnecessarily angry. Oats is angry but you and Vayne were fucking around and he came in with just yelling dumb shit.
On February 28 2015 03:58 KelsierSC wrote: Prpl you have to explain how you can like what oats,rayn and I were thinking because oats didn't talk about trefl , rayn had basically said no explanation
not right. guess people can't read even two liners now...
THIS IS THE FUCKING PROBLEM WITH POST RESTRICTION GAMES...NO ONE IS FUCKING POSTING BECAUSE NO ONE WANTS TO WASTE POSTS ON STUPID SHIT AND MAFIA GETS TO SLANK LIKE CRAZY
On February 28 2015 05:15 IAmRobik wrote: THIS IS THE FUCKING PROBLEM WITH POST RESTRICTION GAMES...NO ONE IS FUCKING POSTING BECAUSE NO ONE WANTS TO WASTE POSTS ON STUPID SHIT AND MAFIA GETS TO SLANK LIKE CRAZY
Like how is nobody fucking bored and annoyed that they're wasting time doing this. I think that all of my posts are just gonna be wasting space from now on and any thoughts I have I"ll just vote that person
On February 28 2015 06:11 Palmar wrote: That's not why he's confirmed town
I'm mod confirmed town because the comod is a dipshit and responded in a way that makes me confirmed town. So fucking dumb. Might as well have sentinal modding this shit.
On February 28 2015 06:11 Palmar wrote: That's not why he's confirmed town
I'm mod confirmed town because the comod is a dipshit and responded in a way that makes me confirmed town. So fucking dumb. Might as well have sentinal modding this shit.
ritoky why are you doing this: 1) commenting on something x hours ago 2) commenting on y hours ago (when x is kinda resolved) 3) come in just now and comment on X again?
On February 28 2015 06:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: ritoky why are you doing this: 1) commenting on something x hours ago 2) commenting on y hours ago (when x is kinda resolved) 3) come in just now and comment on X again?
last night I read part of the thread on painkillers, I woke up and realized I had no fucking memory of what I read. so I read it again, commented on something I didn't like, who gives a shit if someone else commented on it already?
On February 28 2015 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: he is town what do you think?
the opposite as of now, I really liked his opening comment about making a read for the sake of making a read; but then I compared it to his previous game. he is less open with his opinions, doing less to actively solve the game, and his posts are shorter in length. I feel like he would care more about the lack of activity of most players if he were town.
On February 28 2015 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: he is town what do you think?
the opposite as of now, I really liked his opening comment about making a read for the sake of making a read; but then I compared it to his previous game. he is less open with his opinions, doing less to actively solve the game, and his posts are shorter in length. I feel like he would care more about the lack of activity of most players if he were town.
rayn meant that i'm town so he doesn't care what my opinion is and wanted yours
Rayn it takes me 12-24 hours to get my rock solid read on you.
First of trfels post wasn't that bad as you guys are making it out to be, had a few posts in the most recent newbie that were like 3 paragraphs only to conclude rng lynch isn't that good of a idea.
Or here check out this post
On February 15 2015 14:26 Trfel wrote: The Shining's opening posts seem somewhat like yours (rsoultin). Both respond to me, and both seem somewhat skeptical of my opening. I don't like this because it goes absolutely nowhere with starting the discussion.
In particular, The Shining's restatement of my opening post seemed off. Usually, telling the scum to watch out seems to be useless. However, saying that someone needs to back up their words after they say this is even more useless.
But, The Shining definitely has a point. My opening post does lack substance. Outside of some extremely brilliant setup talk (which isn't going to happen given the simple setups for this game), a roleclaim is the only first post of any substance that I can think of. But someone has got to do it. I don't feel that my posts warrant the seemingly displeased attitude that The Shining is showing towards me, but I can't say that it isn't at least somewhat deserved.
So, I don't particularly like the way that The Shining has played so far, but I see no reason why it is any more likely to come from one alignment from the other. + Show Spoiler +
And if you are wondering why it took me so many words to say that, that's a good question.
So Keiser calling him out for a weak post and doing nothing else is a really weak reason to give him a town read.
On February 28 2015 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: he is town what do you think?
the opposite as of now, I really liked his opening comment about making a read for the sake of making a read; but then I compared it to his previous game. he is less open with his opinions, doing less to actively solve the game, and his posts are shorter in length. I feel like he would care more about the lack of activity of most players if he were town.
On February 28 2015 07:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: where is the scum meta comparison ritoky?
I have been patient with you just being a dickbag until now, but if you're not going to read anything or respond; then there's no real point in talking to you. If you're town then you're cancer, if you're mafia then die plz.
can you fucking point out how Kelsier's play this game is similar to his mafia play if you are gonna make a meta case? and not just say "oh he plays differently than he did this game"?
On February 28 2015 07:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: where is the scum meta comparison ritoky?
I have been patient with you just being a dickbag until now, but if you're not going to read anything or respond; then there's no real point in talking to you. If you're town then you're cancer, if you're mafia then die plz.
you are probably town because of this post, you fucking dickbag.
On February 28 2015 07:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: where is the scum meta comparison ritoky?
I have been patient with you just being a dickbag until now, but if you're not going to read anything or respond; then there's no real point in talking to you. If you're town then you're cancer, if you're mafia then die plz.
i'm just a dickbag baby so hey, get back to me when you feel the need to. go sleep (while it's day for you duh), workout, eat, whatever. idgaf.
just don't forget this because if you do, when i bring it up again noone will remember the original shit anyways. and now you look quite bad because you should have had an easy task in explaining yourself.
On February 28 2015 08:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: for the record i asked a legit question.
let me summarize your play for you thus far:
this guy is town with no explanation! this guy is mafia with no explanation! this guy is weird! this guy is town with no explanation! obvious town is mafia! you're mafia for commenting on something that was already commented on! oh you proved me wrong....time to find a new reason! you didn't explain your reads just like me! look I am being a bag of dicks! I didn't read anything you typed! you asked me questions and responded to things but I am ignoring them! well you're town! no wait, mafia! I'M MAD THAT YOU'RE IGNORING ME RAWWWWWWRRR I AM RAYN RAWWWWRRRR! notice me senpai!
On February 28 2015 08:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: for the record i asked a legit question.
let me summarize your play for you thus far:
this guy is town with no explanation! this guy is mafia with no explanation! this guy is weird! this guy is town with no explanation! obvious town is mafia! you're mafia for commenting on something that was already commented on! oh you proved me wrong....time to find a new reason! you didn't explain your reads just like me! look I am being a bag of dicks! I didn't read anything you typed! you asked me questions and responded to things but I am ignoring them! well you're town! no wait, mafia! I'M MAD THAT YOU'RE IGNORING ME RAWWWWWWRRR I AM RAYN RAWWWWRRRR! notice me senpai!
On February 28 2015 08:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: for the record i asked a legit question.
let me summarize your play for you thus far:
this guy is town with no explanation! this guy is mafia with no explanation! this guy is weird! this guy is town with no explanation! obvious town is mafia! you're mafia for commenting on something that was already commented on! oh you proved me wrong....time to find a new reason! you didn't explain your reads just like me! look I am being a bag of dicks! I didn't read anything you typed! you asked me questions and responded to things but I am ignoring them! well you're town! no wait, mafia! I'M MAD THAT YOU'RE IGNORING ME RAWWWWWWRRR I AM RAYN RAWWWWRRRR! notice me senpai!
On February 28 2015 08:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: for the record i asked a legit question.
let me summarize your play for you thus far:
this guy is town with no explanation! this guy is mafia with no explanation! this guy is weird! this guy is town with no explanation! obvious town is mafia! you're mafia for commenting on something that was already commented on! oh you proved me wrong....time to find a new reason! you didn't explain your reads just like me! look I am being a bag of dicks! I didn't read anything you typed! you asked me questions and responded to things but I am ignoring them! well you're town! no wait, mafia! I'M MAD THAT YOU'RE IGNORING ME RAWWWWWWRRR I AM RAYN RAWWWWRRRR! notice me senpai!
I think it is a pretty accurate account.
False.
He made a good case on trifezl.
Yeah it's pretty okay, it's the primary reason why I think rayn might just be a bag of dicks instead of mafia. But when going for comedic effect, you can't toss in all the positive attributes....ruins the flow.
On February 28 2015 07:54 KelsierSC wrote: I'm waiting for prplhz to respond to my question.
That's cool, talk about something else in the game.
Hmm i can give you some initial thoughts i had.
Trefels post was where the game started. It looked like a lot of waffle sort of trying to make a read on rsoultin based on very little. Especially considering the size of the post. I don't really buy the"making a play to read her." I dont know how trefl plays but someone mentioned he.likes to make.giant posts
I think rayns pressure and follow up has been excellent, he is by far the towniest person in the thread and my only town read.
Prplhz entry seemed opportunistic and his reason to scum read trefl was very poor. He has also said he liked the thoughts of myself, rayn and oats. At the time he said this oats hadn't mentioned trefl , i had made some.one liner that wasn't brilliantly.incisive and rayn had only.just made his point. I think prplhz has been scummy.
Robik are you still on the Lync Va life or you got something
oh i wish english was my mother tongue so i could write insulting words just to insult the people i want to. meh.. well at least i am am a man and get bans for what i say when i am truly angry (and not a pussy) as honestly i have no idea what's ritoky's beef in this game. he should just probably get some sleep.
On February 28 2015 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: he is town what do you think?
the opposite as of now, I really liked his opening comment about making a read for the sake of making a read; but then I compared it to his previous game. he is less open with his opinions, doing less to actively solve the game, and his posts are shorter in length. I feel like he would care more about the lack of activity of most players if he were town.
I guess I can respond to this as well.
This is a post limit game what that means is that naturally.people will be more timid with their posting. This is not alignment indicative. Therefore the lack of activity is not surprising. I did comment on the first post of value.i saw, trefls long post. When I saw prplhz post about trefl that was a red flag and I'm asking him questions now to read him.
On February 28 2015 08:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: oh i wish english was my mother tongue so i could write insulting words just to insult the people i want to. meh.. well at least i am am a man and get bans for what i say when i am truly angry (and not a pussy) as honestly i have no idea what's ritoky's beef in this game. he should just probably get some sleep.
I have no issues whatsoever, I am primarily joking and being jovial. Perhaps you are upset because you're trying to fit a town shaped peg into a mafia shaped hole.
i dont know what people are complaining about, I just had to read a shitload of pages coming off work for a very small game. still 2 many spam posts like this one.
On February 28 2015 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: he is town what do you think?
the opposite as of now, I really liked his opening comment about making a read for the sake of making a read; but then I compared it to his previous game. he is less open with his opinions, doing less to actively solve the game, and his posts are shorter in length. I feel like he would care more about the lack of activity of most players if he were town.
I guess I can respond to this as well.
This is a post limit game what that means is that naturally.people will be more timid with their posting. This is not alignment indicative. Therefore the lack of activity is not surprising. I did comment on the first post of value.i saw, trefls long post. When I saw prplhz post about trefl that was a red flag and I'm asking him questions now to read him.
I think your case is pretty terrible.
When I was mafia with you in imperial, you did a similar thing to what you're doing now. Your style of posting is much different from last game, but the thing that stands out to me most is your scope. In the previous game when you were town you cast a very wide net on day 1 and really were invested in multiple people, determining their alignments, and figuring out the game. In Imperial, you cast a shallow net focusing on 3-4 people as your reads day 1. You have a similar narrow focus this game, and I think the differentiation of play is because you are not town.
On February 28 2015 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: he is town what do you think?
the opposite as of now, I really liked his opening comment about making a read for the sake of making a read; but then I compared it to his previous game. he is less open with his opinions, doing less to actively solve the game, and his posts are shorter in length. I feel like he would care more about the lack of activity of most players if he were town.
I guess I can respond to this as well.
This is a post limit game what that means is that naturally.people will be more timid with their posting. This is not alignment indicative. Therefore the lack of activity is not surprising. I did comment on the first post of value.i saw, trefls long post. When I saw prplhz post about trefl that was a red flag and I'm asking him questions now to read him.
I think your case is pretty terrible.
When I was mafia with you in imperial, you did a similar thing to what you're doing now. Your style of posting is much different from last game, but the thing that stands out to me most is your scope. In the previous game when you were town you cast a very wide net on day 1 and really were invested in multiple people, determining their alignments, and figuring out the game. In Imperial, you cast a shallow net focusing on 3-4 people as your reads day 1. You have a similar narrow focus this game, and I think the differentiation of play is because you are not town.
Why couldn't you just say this in the first place instead of acting like a massive dick?
On February 28 2015 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: he is town what do you think?
the opposite as of now, I really liked his opening comment about making a read for the sake of making a read; but then I compared it to his previous game. he is less open with his opinions, doing less to actively solve the game, and his posts are shorter in length. I feel like he would care more about the lack of activity of most players if he were town.
I guess I can respond to this as well.
This is a post limit game what that means is that naturally.people will be more timid with their posting. This is not alignment indicative. Therefore the lack of activity is not surprising. I did comment on the first post of value.i saw, trefls long post. When I saw prplhz post about trefl that was a red flag and I'm asking him questions now to read him.
I think your case is pretty terrible.
When I was mafia with you in imperial, you did a similar thing to what you're doing now. Your style of posting is much different from last game, but the thing that stands out to me most is your scope. In the previous game when you were town you cast a very wide net on day 1 and really were invested in multiple people, determining their alignments, and figuring out the game. In Imperial, you cast a shallow net focusing on 3-4 people as your reads day 1. You have a similar narrow focus this game, and I think the differentiation of play is because you are not town.
Why couldn't you just say this in the first place instead of acting like a massive dick?
Because I gave a read, you openly stated you didn't read it, then I asked you questions and you refused to respond to any of them. So I decided to not respond to you. You were actually the one being the bag of dicks good sir.
On February 28 2015 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: he is town what do you think?
the opposite as of now, I really liked his opening comment about making a read for the sake of making a read; but then I compared it to his previous game. he is less open with his opinions, doing less to actively solve the game, and his posts are shorter in length. I feel like he would care more about the lack of activity of most players if he were town.
I guess I can respond to this as well.
This is a post limit game what that means is that naturally.people will be more timid with their posting. This is not alignment indicative. Therefore the lack of activity is not surprising. I did comment on the first post of value.i saw, trefls long post. When I saw prplhz post about trefl that was a red flag and I'm asking him questions now to read him.
I think your case is pretty terrible.
When I was mafia with you in imperial, you did a similar thing to what you're doing now. Your style of posting is much different from last game, but the thing that stands out to me most is your scope. In the previous game when you were town you cast a very wide net on day 1 and really were invested in multiple people, determining their alignments, and figuring out the game. In Imperial, you cast a shallow net focusing on 3-4 people as your reads day 1. You have a similar narrow focus this game, and I think the differentiation of play is because you are not town.
Why couldn't you just say this in the first place instead of acting like a massive dick?
Because I gave a read, you openly stated you didn't read it, then I asked you questions and you refused to respond to any of them. So I decided to not respond to you. You were actually the one being the bag of dicks good sir.
if you do not understand why i didn't read your case's justification further you are an idiot. srsly, you are. again, why didn't you provide full proof from the beginning?
On February 28 2015 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: he is town what do you think?
the opposite as of now, I really liked his opening comment about making a read for the sake of making a read; but then I compared it to his previous game. he is less open with his opinions, doing less to actively solve the game, and his posts are shorter in length. I feel like he would care more about the lack of activity of most players if he were town.
I guess I can respond to this as well.
This is a post limit game what that means is that naturally.people will be more timid with their posting. This is not alignment indicative. Therefore the lack of activity is not surprising. I did comment on the first post of value.i saw, trefls long post. When I saw prplhz post about trefl that was a red flag and I'm asking him questions now to read him.
I think your case is pretty terrible.
When I was mafia with you in imperial, you did a similar thing to what you're doing now. Your style of posting is much different from last game, but the thing that stands out to me most is your scope. In the previous game when you were town you cast a very wide net on day 1 and really were invested in multiple people, determining their alignments, and figuring out the game. In Imperial, you cast a shallow net focusing on 3-4 people as your reads day 1. You have a similar narrow focus this game, and I think the differentiation of play is because you are not town.
Why couldn't you just say this in the first place instead of acting like a massive dick?
Because I gave a read, you openly stated you didn't read it, then I asked you questions and you refused to respond to any of them. So I decided to not respond to you. You were actually the one being the bag of dicks good sir.
if you do not understand why i didn't read your case's justification further you are an idiot. srsly, you are. again, why didn't you provide full proof from the beginning?
On February 28 2015 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: he is town what do you think?
the opposite as of now, I really liked his opening comment about making a read for the sake of making a read; but then I compared it to his previous game. he is less open with his opinions, doing less to actively solve the game, and his posts are shorter in length. I feel like he would care more about the lack of activity of most players if he were town.
I guess I can respond to this as well.
This is a post limit game what that means is that naturally.people will be more timid with their posting. This is not alignment indicative. Therefore the lack of activity is not surprising. I did comment on the first post of value.i saw, trefls long post. When I saw prplhz post about trefl that was a red flag and I'm asking him questions now to read him.
I think your case is pretty terrible.
When I was mafia with you in imperial, you did a similar thing to what you're doing now. Your style of posting is much different from last game, but the thing that stands out to me most is your scope. In the previous game when you were town you cast a very wide net on day 1 and really were invested in multiple people, determining their alignments, and figuring out the game. In Imperial, you cast a shallow net focusing on 3-4 people as your reads day 1. You have a similar narrow focus this game, and I think the differentiation of play is because you are not town.
Why couldn't you just say this in the first place instead of acting like a massive dick?
Because I gave a read, you openly stated you didn't read it, then I asked you questions and you refused to respond to any of them. So I decided to not respond to you. You were actually the one being the bag of dicks good sir.
On February 28 2015 07:54 KelsierSC wrote: I'm waiting for prplhz to respond to my question.
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There's really not much to it.
"I think I see where you and Oatsmaster and raynpelikoneet are coming from"
What I mean is. I think I see why you are voting him, I think I see the reason he is scum. You had made a one liner and I thought it was "alright", not good but it had the gist of "that's a weirdly serious first post" which I agreed with. Oatsmaster and raynpelikoneet hadn't explained their reads but that doesn't mean I cannot see they would think Trfel is scum.
On February 28 2015 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: he is town what do you think?
the opposite as of now, I really liked his opening comment about making a read for the sake of making a read; but then I compared it to his previous game. he is less open with his opinions, doing less to actively solve the game, and his posts are shorter in length. I feel like he would care more about the lack of activity of most players if he were town.
I guess I can respond to this as well.
This is a post limit game what that means is that naturally.people will be more timid with their posting. This is not alignment indicative. Therefore the lack of activity is not surprising. I did comment on the first post of value.i saw, trefls long post. When I saw prplhz post about trefl that was a red flag and I'm asking him questions now to read him.
I think your case is pretty terrible.
When I was mafia with you in imperial, you did a similar thing to what you're doing now. Your style of posting is much different from last game, but the thing that stands out to me most is your scope. In the previous game when you were town you cast a very wide net on day 1 and really were invested in multiple people, determining their alignments, and figuring out the game. In Imperial, you cast a shallow net focusing on 3-4 people as your reads day 1. You have a similar narrow focus this game, and I think the differentiation of play is because you are not town.
Why couldn't you just say this in the first place instead of acting like a massive dick?
Because I gave a read, you openly stated you didn't read it, then I asked you questions and you refused to respond to any of them. So I decided to not respond to you. You were actually the one being the bag of dicks good sir.
if you do not understand why i didn't read your case's justification further you are an idiot. srsly, you are. again, why didn't you provide full proof from the beginning?
On February 28 2015 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: he is town what do you think?
the opposite as of now, I really liked his opening comment about making a read for the sake of making a read; but then I compared it to his previous game. he is less open with his opinions, doing less to actively solve the game, and his posts are shorter in length. I feel like he would care more about the lack of activity of most players if he were town.
I guess I can respond to this as well.
This is a post limit game what that means is that naturally.people will be more timid with their posting. This is not alignment indicative. Therefore the lack of activity is not surprising. I did comment on the first post of value.i saw, trefls long post. When I saw prplhz post about trefl that was a red flag and I'm asking him questions now to read him.
I think your case is pretty terrible.
When I was mafia with you in imperial, you did a similar thing to what you're doing now. Your style of posting is much different from last game, but the thing that stands out to me most is your scope. In the previous game when you were town you cast a very wide net on day 1 and really were invested in multiple people, determining their alignments, and figuring out the game. In Imperial, you cast a shallow net focusing on 3-4 people as your reads day 1. You have a similar narrow focus this game, and I think the differentiation of play is because you are not town.
Why couldn't you just say this in the first place instead of acting like a massive dick?
Because I gave a read, you openly stated you didn't read it, then I asked you questions and you refused to respond to any of them. So I decided to not respond to you. You were actually the one being the bag of dicks good sir.
Like what the fuck is so hard with you? You gave a meta read which said "here is this game, it's different than this town game but i have no scum game to compare". I asked you to give out a scumgame of his to compare, you called me dickbags.
So fuck you fuckface. What the fuck are you even arguing for you idiot?
On February 28 2015 08:43 KelsierSC wrote: I was town in imperial
ugh, wrong game name. let me find the game name.
A better use of your time is to look at my stuff on prplhz .
Like your case is I'm focused on reading a few people here? No one has done anything where I'm confident giving a read. Except fir rayn and prpl
I read your stuff on prp, and I find it less compelling than rayn's stuff on trf. I like your point about palmar tucked in there though. That doesn't seem like something palmar normally gives a town read for.
Palmar prides himself on having one of the best day 1 towns on this site, i find that hard to believe unless im mixing him up with some one, he can say for himself i dont remember
On February 28 2015 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: he is town what do you think?
the opposite as of now, I really liked his opening comment about making a read for the sake of making a read; but then I compared it to his previous game. he is less open with his opinions, doing less to actively solve the game, and his posts are shorter in length. I feel like he would care more about the lack of activity of most players if he were town.
I guess I can respond to this as well.
This is a post limit game what that means is that naturally.people will be more timid with their posting. This is not alignment indicative. Therefore the lack of activity is not surprising. I did comment on the first post of value.i saw, trefls long post. When I saw prplhz post about trefl that was a red flag and I'm asking him questions now to read him.
I think your case is pretty terrible.
When I was mafia with you in imperial, you did a similar thing to what you're doing now. Your style of posting is much different from last game, but the thing that stands out to me most is your scope. In the previous game when you were town you cast a very wide net on day 1 and really were invested in multiple people, determining their alignments, and figuring out the game. In Imperial, you cast a shallow net focusing on 3-4 people as your reads day 1. You have a similar narrow focus this game, and I think the differentiation of play is because you are not town.
Why couldn't you just say this in the first place instead of acting like a massive dick?
Because I gave a read, you openly stated you didn't read it, then I asked you questions and you refused to respond to any of them. So I decided to not respond to you. You were actually the one being the bag of dicks good sir.
if you do not understand why i didn't read your case's justification further you are an idiot. srsly, you are. again, why didn't you provide full proof from the beginning?
On February 28 2015 08:50 ritoky wrote:
On February 28 2015 08:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 28 2015 08:41 ritoky wrote:
On February 28 2015 08:34 KelsierSC wrote:
On February 28 2015 06:57 ritoky wrote:
On February 28 2015 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: he is town what do you think?
the opposite as of now, I really liked his opening comment about making a read for the sake of making a read; but then I compared it to his previous game. he is less open with his opinions, doing less to actively solve the game, and his posts are shorter in length. I feel like he would care more about the lack of activity of most players if he were town.
I guess I can respond to this as well.
This is a post limit game what that means is that naturally.people will be more timid with their posting. This is not alignment indicative. Therefore the lack of activity is not surprising. I did comment on the first post of value.i saw, trefls long post. When I saw prplhz post about trefl that was a red flag and I'm asking him questions now to read him.
I think your case is pretty terrible.
When I was mafia with you in imperial, you did a similar thing to what you're doing now. Your style of posting is much different from last game, but the thing that stands out to me most is your scope. In the previous game when you were town you cast a very wide net on day 1 and really were invested in multiple people, determining their alignments, and figuring out the game. In Imperial, you cast a shallow net focusing on 3-4 people as your reads day 1. You have a similar narrow focus this game, and I think the differentiation of play is because you are not town.
Why couldn't you just say this in the first place instead of acting like a massive dick?
Because I gave a read, you openly stated you didn't read it, then I asked you questions and you refused to respond to any of them. So I decided to not respond to you. You were actually the one being the bag of dicks good sir.
Like what the fuck is so hard with you? You gave a meta read which said "here is this game, it's different than this town game but i have no scum game to compare". I asked you to give out a scumgame of his to compare, you called me dickbags.
So fuck you fuckface. What the fuck are you even arguing for you idiot?
You asked badgering and leading questions, made no comment on a refuted accusation, attempted a new accusation, did not read the responses, did not respond to questions on why you disagreed, and then flipped out. So I trolled you, deal with it.
On February 28 2015 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: he is town what do you think?
the opposite as of now, I really liked his opening comment about making a read for the sake of making a read; but then I compared it to his previous game. he is less open with his opinions, doing less to actively solve the game, and his posts are shorter in length. I feel like he would care more about the lack of activity of most players if he were town.
I guess I can respond to this as well.
This is a post limit game what that means is that naturally.people will be more timid with their posting. This is not alignment indicative. Therefore the lack of activity is not surprising. I did comment on the first post of value.i saw, trefls long post. When I saw prplhz post about trefl that was a red flag and I'm asking him questions now to read him.
I think your case is pretty terrible.
When I was mafia with you in imperial, you did a similar thing to what you're doing now. Your style of posting is much different from last game, but the thing that stands out to me most is your scope. In the previous game when you were town you cast a very wide net on day 1 and really were invested in multiple people, determining their alignments, and figuring out the game. In Imperial, you cast a shallow net focusing on 3-4 people as your reads day 1. You have a similar narrow focus this game, and I think the differentiation of play is because you are not town.
Why couldn't you just say this in the first place instead of acting like a massive dick?
Because I gave a read, you openly stated you didn't read it, then I asked you questions and you refused to respond to any of them. So I decided to not respond to you. You were actually the one being the bag of dicks good sir.
if you do not understand why i didn't read your case's justification further you are an idiot. srsly, you are. again, why didn't you provide full proof from the beginning?
On February 28 2015 08:50 ritoky wrote:
On February 28 2015 08:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 28 2015 08:41 ritoky wrote:
On February 28 2015 08:34 KelsierSC wrote:
On February 28 2015 06:57 ritoky wrote:
On February 28 2015 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: he is town what do you think?
the opposite as of now, I really liked his opening comment about making a read for the sake of making a read; but then I compared it to his previous game. he is less open with his opinions, doing less to actively solve the game, and his posts are shorter in length. I feel like he would care more about the lack of activity of most players if he were town.
I guess I can respond to this as well.
This is a post limit game what that means is that naturally.people will be more timid with their posting. This is not alignment indicative. Therefore the lack of activity is not surprising. I did comment on the first post of value.i saw, trefls long post. When I saw prplhz post about trefl that was a red flag and I'm asking him questions now to read him.
I think your case is pretty terrible.
When I was mafia with you in imperial, you did a similar thing to what you're doing now. Your style of posting is much different from last game, but the thing that stands out to me most is your scope. In the previous game when you were town you cast a very wide net on day 1 and really were invested in multiple people, determining their alignments, and figuring out the game. In Imperial, you cast a shallow net focusing on 3-4 people as your reads day 1. You have a similar narrow focus this game, and I think the differentiation of play is because you are not town.
Why couldn't you just say this in the first place instead of acting like a massive dick?
Because I gave a read, you openly stated you didn't read it, then I asked you questions and you refused to respond to any of them. So I decided to not respond to you. You were actually the one being the bag of dicks good sir.
Like what the fuck is so hard with you? You gave a meta read which said "here is this game, it's different than this town game but i have no scum game to compare". I asked you to give out a scumgame of his to compare, you called me dickbags.
So fuck you fuckface. What the fuck are you even arguing for you idiot?
You asked badgering and leading questions, made no comment on a refuted accusation, attempted a new accusation, did not read the responses, did not respond to questions on why you disagreed, and then flipped out. So I trolled you, deal with it.
quote my fucking posts where your post here stands any fucking ground.
On February 28 2015 07:54 KelsierSC wrote: I'm waiting for prplhz to respond to my question.
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There's really not much to it.
"I think I see where you and Oatsmaster and raynpelikoneet are coming from"
What I mean is. I think I see why you are voting him, I think I see the reason he is scum. You had made a one liner and I thought it was "alright", not good but it had the gist of "that's a weirdly serious first post" which I agreed with. Oatsmaster and raynpelikoneet hadn't explained their reads but that doesn't mean I cannot see they would think Trfel is scum.
On February 28 2015 07:54 KelsierSC wrote: I'm waiting for prplhz to respond to my question.
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There's really not much to it.
"I think I see where you and Oatsmaster and raynpelikoneet are coming from"
What I mean is. I think I see why you are voting him, I think I see the reason he is scum. You had made a one liner and I thought it was "alright", not good but it had the gist of "that's a weirdly serious first post" which I agreed with. Oatsmaster and raynpelikoneet hadn't explained their reads but that doesn't mean I cannot see they would think Trfel is scum.
Hmm I guess that makes sense.
Oats did actually vote him I didn't see that
And you just saw that just now? I didn't mention in my post that Oatsmaster had voted.
On February 28 2015 07:54 KelsierSC wrote: I'm waiting for prplhz to respond to my question.
That's cool, talk about something else in the game.
Hmm i can give you some initial thoughts i had.
Trefels post was where the game started. It looked like a lot of waffle sort of trying to make a read on rsoultin based on very little. Especially considering the size of the post. I don't really buy the"making a play to read her." I dont know how trefl plays but someone mentioned he.likes to make.giant posts
I think rayns pressure and follow up has been excellent, he is by far the towniest person in the thread and my only town read.
Prplhz entry seemed opportunistic and his reason to scum read trefl was very poor. He has also said he liked the thoughts of myself, rayn and oats. At the time he said this oats hadn't mentioned trefl , i had made some.one liner that wasn't brilliantly.incisive and rayn had only.just made his point. I think prplhz has been scummy.
Robik are you still on the Lync Va life or you got something
On February 28 2015 07:54 KelsierSC wrote: I'm waiting for prplhz to respond to my question.
That's cool, talk about something else in the game.
Hmm i can give you some initial thoughts i had.
Trefels post was where the game started. It looked like a lot of waffle sort of trying to make a read on rsoultin based on very little. Especially considering the size of the post. I don't really buy the"making a play to read her." I dont know how trefl plays but someone mentioned he.likes to make.giant posts
I think rayns pressure and follow up has been excellent, he is by far the towniest person in the thread and my only town read.
Prplhz entry seemed opportunistic and his reason to scum read trefl was very poor. He has also said he liked the thoughts of myself, rayn and oats. At the time he said this oats hadn't mentioned trefl , i had made some.one liner that wasn't brilliantly.incisive and rayn had only.just made his point. I think prplhz has been scummy.
Robik are you still on the Lync Va life or you got something
I'm somewhere between you/rayn/va today
then you're scum because we are all town and you can't have such bad reads. right robert?
the opposite as of now, I really liked his opening comment about making a read for the sake of making a read; but then I compared it to his previous game. he is less open with his opinions, doing less to actively solve the game, and his posts are shorter in length. I feel like he would care more about the lack of activity of most players if he were town.
I guess I can respond to this as well.
This is a post limit game what that means is that naturally.people will be more timid with their posting. This is not alignment indicative. Therefore the lack of activity is not surprising. I did comment on the first post of value.i saw, trefls long post. When I saw prplhz post about trefl that was a red flag and I'm asking him questions now to read him.
I think your case is pretty terrible.
When I was mafia with you in imperial, you did a similar thing to what you're doing now. Your style of posting is much different from last game, but the thing that stands out to me most is your scope. In the previous game when you were town you cast a very wide net on day 1 and really were invested in multiple people, determining their alignments, and figuring out the game. In Imperial, you cast a shallow net focusing on 3-4 people as your reads day 1. You have a similar narrow focus this game, and I think the differentiation of play is because you are not town.
Why couldn't you just say this in the first place instead of acting like a massive dick?
Because I gave a read, you openly stated you didn't read it, then I asked you questions and you refused to respond to any of them. So I decided to not respond to you. You were actually the one being the bag of dicks good sir.
if you do not understand why i didn't read your case's justification further you are an idiot. srsly, you are. again, why didn't you provide full proof from the beginning?
On February 28 2015 08:50 ritoky wrote:
On February 28 2015 08:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 28 2015 08:41 ritoky wrote:
On February 28 2015 08:34 KelsierSC wrote:
On February 28 2015 06:57 ritoky wrote:
On February 28 2015 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: he is town what do you think?
the opposite as of now, I really liked his opening comment about making a read for the sake of making a read; but then I compared it to his previous game. he is less open with his opinions, doing less to actively solve the game, and his posts are shorter in length. I feel like he would care more about the lack of activity of most players if he were town.
I guess I can respond to this as well.
This is a post limit game what that means is that naturally.people will be more timid with their posting. This is not alignment indicative. Therefore the lack of activity is not surprising. I did comment on the first post of value.i saw, trefls long post. When I saw prplhz post about trefl that was a red flag and I'm asking him questions now to read him.
I think your case is pretty terrible.
When I was mafia with you in imperial, you did a similar thing to what you're doing now. Your style of posting is much different from last game, but the thing that stands out to me most is your scope. In the previous game when you were town you cast a very wide net on day 1 and really were invested in multiple people, determining their alignments, and figuring out the game. In Imperial, you cast a shallow net focusing on 3-4 people as your reads day 1. You have a similar narrow focus this game, and I think the differentiation of play is because you are not town.
Why couldn't you just say this in the first place instead of acting like a massive dick?
Because I gave a read, you openly stated you didn't read it, then I asked you questions and you refused to respond to any of them. So I decided to not respond to you. You were actually the one being the bag of dicks good sir.
Like what the fuck is so hard with you? You gave a meta read which said "here is this game, it's different than this town game but i have no scum game to compare". I asked you to give out a scumgame of his to compare, you called me dickbags.
So fuck you fuckface. What the fuck are you even arguing for you idiot?
You asked badgering and leading questions, made no comment on a refuted accusation, attempted a new accusation, did not read the responses, did not respond to questions on why you disagreed, and then flipped out. So I trolled you, deal with it.
quote my fucking posts where your post here stands any fucking ground.
Here is your accusation:
On February 28 2015 06:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: ritoky why are you doing this: 1) commenting on something x hours ago 2) commenting on y hours ago (when x is kinda resolved) 3) come in just now and comment on X again?
On February 28 2015 06:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: ritoky why are you doing this: 1) commenting on something x hours ago 2) commenting on y hours ago (when x is kinda resolved) 3) come in just now and comment on X again?
last night I read part of the thread on painkillers, I woke up and realized I had no fucking memory of what I read. so I read it again, commented on something I didn't like, who gives a shit if someone else commented on it already?
Here is your response:
oh wait it doesn't exist. instead you move toward forcing your way into me asking a question to robik.
On February 28 2015 07:54 KelsierSC wrote: I'm waiting for prplhz to respond to my question.
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There's really not much to it.
"I think I see where you and Oatsmaster and raynpelikoneet are coming from"
What I mean is. I think I see why you are voting him, I think I see the reason he is scum. You had made a one liner and I thought it was "alright", not good but it had the gist of "that's a weirdly serious first post" which I agreed with. Oatsmaster and raynpelikoneet hadn't explained their reads but that doesn't mean I cannot see they would think Trfel is scum.
Hmm I guess that makes sense.
Oats did actually vote him I didn't see that
And you just saw that just now? I didn't mention in my post that Oatsmaster had voted.
...bolded
How else would you know oats thought trefl was scum as he didn't mention him in the thread...
On February 28 2015 07:54 KelsierSC wrote: I'm waiting for prplhz to respond to my question.
6
There's really not much to it.
"I think I see where you and Oatsmaster and raynpelikoneet are coming from"
What I mean is. I think I see why you are voting him, I think I see the reason he is scum. You had made a one liner and I thought it was "alright", not good but it had the gist of "that's a weirdly serious first post" which I agreed with. Oatsmaster and raynpelikoneet hadn't explained their reads but that doesn't mean I cannot see they would think Trfel is scum.
Hmm I guess that makes sense.
Oats did actually vote him I didn't see that
And you just saw that just now? I didn't mention in my post that Oatsmaster had voted.
...bolded
How else would you know oats thought trefl was scum as he didn't mention him in the thread...
That was my whole point
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I don't get it. I'm scum because I think Oatsmaster thinks Trfel is scum even though Oatsmaster hasn't said so in the thread? How does that make me scum?
On February 28 2015 08:34 KelsierSC wrote: [quote]
I guess I can respond to this as well.
This is a post limit game what that means is that naturally.people will be more timid with their posting. This is not alignment indicative. Therefore the lack of activity is not surprising. I did comment on the first post of value.i saw, trefls long post. When I saw prplhz post about trefl that was a red flag and I'm asking him questions now to read him.
I think your case is pretty terrible.
When I was mafia with you in imperial, you did a similar thing to what you're doing now. Your style of posting is much different from last game, but the thing that stands out to me most is your scope. In the previous game when you were town you cast a very wide net on day 1 and really were invested in multiple people, determining their alignments, and figuring out the game. In Imperial, you cast a shallow net focusing on 3-4 people as your reads day 1. You have a similar narrow focus this game, and I think the differentiation of play is because you are not town.
Why couldn't you just say this in the first place instead of acting like a massive dick?
Because I gave a read, you openly stated you didn't read it, then I asked you questions and you refused to respond to any of them. So I decided to not respond to you. You were actually the one being the bag of dicks good sir.
if you do not understand why i didn't read your case's justification further you are an idiot. srsly, you are. again, why didn't you provide full proof from the beginning?
On February 28 2015 08:50 ritoky wrote:
On February 28 2015 08:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 28 2015 08:41 ritoky wrote:
On February 28 2015 08:34 KelsierSC wrote:
On February 28 2015 06:57 ritoky wrote: [quote]
the opposite as of now, I really liked his opening comment about making a read for the sake of making a read; but then I compared it to his previous game. he is less open with his opinions, doing less to actively solve the game, and his posts are shorter in length. I feel like he would care more about the lack of activity of most players if he were town.
I guess I can respond to this as well.
This is a post limit game what that means is that naturally.people will be more timid with their posting. This is not alignment indicative. Therefore the lack of activity is not surprising. I did comment on the first post of value.i saw, trefls long post. When I saw prplhz post about trefl that was a red flag and I'm asking him questions now to read him.
I think your case is pretty terrible.
When I was mafia with you in imperial, you did a similar thing to what you're doing now. Your style of posting is much different from last game, but the thing that stands out to me most is your scope. In the previous game when you were town you cast a very wide net on day 1 and really were invested in multiple people, determining their alignments, and figuring out the game. In Imperial, you cast a shallow net focusing on 3-4 people as your reads day 1. You have a similar narrow focus this game, and I think the differentiation of play is because you are not town.
Why couldn't you just say this in the first place instead of acting like a massive dick?
Because I gave a read, you openly stated you didn't read it, then I asked you questions and you refused to respond to any of them. So I decided to not respond to you. You were actually the one being the bag of dicks good sir.
Like what the fuck is so hard with you? You gave a meta read which said "here is this game, it's different than this town game but i have no scum game to compare". I asked you to give out a scumgame of his to compare, you called me dickbags.
So fuck you fuckface. What the fuck are you even arguing for you idiot?
You asked badgering and leading questions, made no comment on a refuted accusation, attempted a new accusation, did not read the responses, did not respond to questions on why you disagreed, and then flipped out. So I trolled you, deal with it.
quote my fucking posts where your post here stands any fucking ground.
On February 28 2015 06:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: ritoky why are you doing this: 1) commenting on something x hours ago 2) commenting on y hours ago (when x is kinda resolved) 3) come in just now and comment on X again?
On February 28 2015 06:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: ritoky why are you doing this: 1) commenting on something x hours ago 2) commenting on y hours ago (when x is kinda resolved) 3) come in just now and comment on X again?
last night I read part of the thread on painkillers, I woke up and realized I had no fucking memory of what I read. so I read it again, commented on something I didn't like, who gives a shit if someone else commented on it already?
Here is your response:
oh wait it doesn't exist. instead you move toward forcing your way into me asking a question to robik.
On February 28 2015 07:54 KelsierSC wrote: I'm waiting for prplhz to respond to my question.
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There's really not much to it.
"I think I see where you and Oatsmaster and raynpelikoneet are coming from"
What I mean is. I think I see why you are voting him, I think I see the reason he is scum. You had made a one liner and I thought it was "alright", not good but it had the gist of "that's a weirdly serious first post" which I agreed with. Oatsmaster and raynpelikoneet hadn't explained their reads but that doesn't mean I cannot see they would think Trfel is scum.
Hmm I guess that makes sense.
Oats did actually vote him I didn't see that
And you just saw that just now? I didn't mention in my post that Oatsmaster had voted.
...bolded
How else would you know oats thought trefl was scum as he didn't mention him in the thread...
That was my whole point
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I don't get it. I'm scum because I think Oatsmaster thinks Trfel is scum even though Oatsmaster hasn't said so in the thread? How does that make me scum?
Because in that case you are making up reasons to justify your scum read on trfel.
On February 28 2015 07:54 KelsierSC wrote: I'm waiting for prplhz to respond to my question.
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There's really not much to it.
"I think I see where you and Oatsmaster and raynpelikoneet are coming from"
What I mean is. I think I see why you are voting him, I think I see the reason he is scum. You had made a one liner and I thought it was "alright", not good but it had the gist of "that's a weirdly serious first post" which I agreed with. Oatsmaster and raynpelikoneet hadn't explained their reads but that doesn't mean I cannot see they would think Trfel is scum.
Hmm I guess that makes sense.
Oats did actually vote him I didn't see that
And you just saw that just now? I didn't mention in my post that Oatsmaster had voted.
...bolded
How else would you know oats thought trefl was scum as he didn't mention him in the thread...
That was my whole point
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I don't get it. I'm scum because I think Oatsmaster thinks Trfel is scum even though Oatsmaster hasn't said so in the thread? How does that make me scum?
On February 28 2015 07:54 KelsierSC wrote: I'm waiting for prplhz to respond to my question.
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There's really not much to it.
"I think I see where you and Oatsmaster and raynpelikoneet are coming from"
What I mean is. I think I see why you are voting him, I think I see the reason he is scum. You had made a one liner and I thought it was "alright", not good but it had the gist of "that's a weirdly serious first post" which I agreed with. Oatsmaster and raynpelikoneet hadn't explained their reads but that doesn't mean I cannot see they would think Trfel is scum.
Hmm I guess that makes sense.
Oats did actually vote him I didn't see that
And you just saw that just now? I didn't mention in my post that Oatsmaster had voted.
...bolded
How else would you know oats thought trefl was scum as he didn't mention him in the thread...
That was my whole point
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I don't get it. I'm scum because I think Oatsmaster thinks Trfel is scum even though Oatsmaster hasn't said so in the thread? How does that make me scum?
Because in that case you are making up reasons to justify your scum read on trfel.
Do you seriously think scum just intentionally straight up invent reads? What would I even gain from inventing an Oatsmaster read on Trfel in that situation?
On February 28 2015 09:17 KelsierSC wrote: So prpl just to clarify you didn't know the reasons why oats/rayn was voting trfel but you assumed they were good ones?
No. I didn't comment on Oatsmaster's or raynpelikoneet's reasons to vote Trfel. What I said is that I could see why they (or anyone else) could think Trfel was scum.
I didn't assume they were good or bad however. I assumed that Oatsmaster's was a bit hard to follow and that raynpelikoneet's was probably good.
On February 27 2015 22:28 prplhz wrote: I think I see where you and Oatsmaster and raynpelikoneet are coming from[...]
?????????????
I mean I can see why you would vote for Trfel.
Mafia reads aren't real so they have to make them up. They can make mistakes/panic. That's why it seems scummy Like your language just seems wrong. You can see where we're coming from implies we made cases or had opinions and you're justifying your scum read.
But now it feels like you are backtracking. "I see why your voting". Then you say you assume oats has a hard to follow reason..but how can you get where he js coming from...especially as you didn't even know his hard to follow reason
On February 28 2015 09:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: If i have to waste one more post on this you are dead prplhz. Why Oatsmaster? You literally said you "think you see where Oatsmaster is coming from".
so explain, what was the point?
I'm sorry, I didn't read that post. Could you repeat it?
On February 28 2015 09:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: If i have to waste one more post on this you are dead prplhz. Why Oatsmaster? You literally said you "think you see where Oatsmaster is coming from".
so explain, what was the point?
I could just as well have said "I agree with you guys that Trfel is scummy". That would mean the exact same thing I meant in my post.
On February 28 2015 09:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: If i have to waste one more post on this you are dead prplhz. Why Oatsmaster? You literally said you "think you see where Oatsmaster is coming from".
so explain, what was the point?
I could just as well have said "I agree with you guys that Trfel is scummy". That would mean the exact same thing I meant in my post.
Can you quote Oats' post(s) from which you get this?
On February 27 2015 22:28 prplhz wrote: I think I see where you and Oatsmaster and raynpelikoneet are coming from[...]
?????????????
I mean I can see why you would vote for Trfel.
Mafia reads aren't real so they have to make them up. They can make mistakes/panic. That's why it seems scummy Like your language just seems wrong. You can see where we're coming from implies we made cases or had opinions and you're justifying your scum read.
But now it feels like you are backtracking. "I see why your voting". Then you say you assume oats has a hard to follow reason..but how can you get where he js coming from...especially as you didn't even know his hard to follow reason
Guy #1: "I don't like it when my nuts get trapped in a dutch oven"
Guy #2: "I can understand that"
Guy #3: "How can you understand that when I didn't explain why I don't like it when my nuts get trapped in a dutch oven?"
This is literally the conversation I think we're having.
On February 27 2015 22:28 prplhz wrote: I think I see where you and Oatsmaster and raynpelikoneet are coming from[...]
?????????????
I mean I can see why you would vote for Trfel.
Mafia reads aren't real so they have to make them up. They can make mistakes/panic. That's why it seems scummy Like your language just seems wrong. You can see where we're coming from implies we made cases or had opinions and you're justifying your scum read.
But now it feels like you are backtracking. "I see why your voting". Then you say you assume oats has a hard to follow reason..but how can you get where he js coming from...especially as you didn't even know his hard to follow reason
Guy #1: "I don't like it when my nuts get trapped in a dutch oven"
Guy #2: "I can understand that"
Guy #3: "How can you understand that when I didn't explain why I don't like it when my nuts get trapped in a dutch oven?"
This is literally the conversation I think we're having.
No because oats didn't say anything. You said you got where he was.coming from. Then you said you assumed he had a hard to follow opinion. So how can you get it? Less dodging
On February 28 2015 09:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: If i have to waste one more post on this you are dead prplhz. Why Oatsmaster? You literally said you "think you see where Oatsmaster is coming from".
so explain, what was the point?
I could just as well have said "I agree with you guys that Trfel is scummy". That would mean the exact same thing I meant in my post.
Can you quote Oats' post(s) from which you get this?
On February 28 2015 08:59 VayneAuthority wrote: prphlz is 100% town its not even a question, find something else kelsier. its obvious as fuck
Can you explain this read?
you might not be aware of it but your tone and posting habits are incredibly different then titanic. I know meta isn't the end all but I struggle to see you suddenly upping your effort and focus for a 2nd consecutive scum game, that's the logical conclusion.
On February 27 2015 22:28 prplhz wrote: I think I see where you and Oatsmaster and raynpelikoneet are coming from[...]
?????????????
I mean I can see why you would vote for Trfel.
Mafia reads aren't real so they have to make them up. They can make mistakes/panic. That's why it seems scummy Like your language just seems wrong. You can see where we're coming from implies we made cases or had opinions and you're justifying your scum read.
But now it feels like you are backtracking. "I see why your voting". Then you say you assume oats has a hard to follow reason..but how can you get where he js coming from...especially as you didn't even know his hard to follow reason
Guy #1: "I don't like it when my nuts get trapped in a dutch oven"
Guy #2: "I can understand that"
Guy #3: "How can you understand that when I didn't explain why I don't like it when my nuts get trapped in a dutch oven?"
This is literally the conversation I think we're having.
No because oats didn't say anything. You said you got where he was.coming from. Then you said you assumed he had a hard to follow opinion. So how can you get it? Less dodging
I never said "I get it".
Take the part where I said "I get where [they] are coming from". Replace it with "I understand why they would think he is scum" (as in, "I think he is scummy so I understand why someone else would think he is scummy too"). If you don't accept that what I meant by the first line can be expressed by the second line then vote me or whatever. If you accept it, then start talking to me about the second line.
I'm really not dodging, I just spent like 15 posts explaining this to you. Quite literally, most of my filter is talking to you about it so I'm not dodging. If you want to see me dodge then let me know.
On February 27 2015 22:28 prplhz wrote: I think I see where you and Oatsmaster and raynpelikoneet are coming from[...]
?????????????
I mean I can see why you would vote for Trfel.
Mafia reads aren't real so they have to make them up. They can make mistakes/panic. That's why it seems scummy Like your language just seems wrong. You can see where we're coming from implies we made cases or had opinions and you're justifying your scum read.
But now it feels like you are backtracking. "I see why your voting". Then you say you assume oats has a hard to follow reason..but how can you get where he js coming from...especially as you didn't even know his hard to follow reason
Guy #1: "I don't like it when my nuts get trapped in a dutch oven"
Guy #2: "I can understand that"
Guy #3: "How can you understand that when I didn't explain why I don't like it when my nuts get trapped in a dutch oven?"
This is literally the conversation I think we're having.
No because oats didn't say anything. You said you got where he was.coming from. Then you said you assumed he had a hard to follow opinion. So how can you get it? Less dodging
I never said "I get it".
Take the part where I said "I get where [they] are coming from". Replace it with "I understand why they would think he is scum" (as in, "I think he is scummy so I understand why someone else would think he is scummy too"). If you don't accept that what I meant by the first line can be expressed by the second line then vote me or whatever. If you accept it, then start talking to me about the second line.
I'm really not dodging, I just spent like 15 posts explaining this to you. Quite literally, most of my filter is talking to you about it so I'm not dodging. If you want to see me dodge then let me know.
I'm already voting you.
I've made my conclusions on this known. It seemed like you were making up reasons to get onboard and now you're backtracking. Also how can you get where oats is coming from, but then say he has a hard to follow reason, which he never gives. I think you're caught. But I'll let others give their views or whatever.
Id like your read on other people Oats and robik specifically
On February 28 2015 09:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: If i have to waste one more post on this you are dead prplhz. Why Oatsmaster? You literally said you "think you see where Oatsmaster is coming from".
so explain, what was the point?
I could just as well have said "I agree with you guys that Trfel is scummy". That would mean the exact same thing I meant in my post.
Can you quote Oats' post(s) from which you get this?
Actually no. First of all, I'm pretty sure I didn't read it in an Oatsmaster post, I think rsoultin mentioned it. Anyway, he voted for Trfel in the voting thread before my post but I didn't see that until just now. I thought I knew he had done it because someone mentioned it in the thread (but I can't figure out where even though it's just one page from Trfel's big post until the post of mine you have a problem with). Maybe I misunderstood something rsoultin talked to Oatsmaster about regarding Oatsmaster's read on Palmar or something like that.
On February 27 2015 22:28 prplhz wrote: I think I see where you and Oatsmaster and raynpelikoneet are coming from[...]
?????????????
I mean I can see why you would vote for Trfel.
Mafia reads aren't real so they have to make them up. They can make mistakes/panic. That's why it seems scummy Like your language just seems wrong. You can see where we're coming from implies we made cases or had opinions and you're justifying your scum read.
But now it feels like you are backtracking. "I see why your voting". Then you say you assume oats has a hard to follow reason..but how can you get where he js coming from...especially as you didn't even know his hard to follow reason
Guy #1: "I don't like it when my nuts get trapped in a dutch oven"
Guy #2: "I can understand that"
Guy #3: "How can you understand that when I didn't explain why I don't like it when my nuts get trapped in a dutch oven?"
This is literally the conversation I think we're having.
No because oats didn't say anything. You said you got where he was.coming from. Then you said you assumed he had a hard to follow opinion. So how can you get it? Less dodging
I never said "I get it".
Take the part where I said "I get where [they] are coming from". Replace it with "I understand why they would think he is scum" (as in, "I think he is scummy so I understand why someone else would think he is scummy too"). If you don't accept that what I meant by the first line can be expressed by the second line then vote me or whatever. If you accept it, then start talking to me about the second line.
I'm really not dodging, I just spent like 15 posts explaining this to you. Quite literally, most of my filter is talking to you about it so I'm not dodging. If you want to see me dodge then let me know.
I'm already voting you.
I've made my conclusions on this known. It seemed like you were making up reasons to get onboard and now you're backtracking. Also how can you get where oats is coming from, but then say he has a hard to follow reason, which he never gives. I think you're caught. But I'll let others give their views or whatever.
Id like your read on other people Oats and robik specifically
On February 28 2015 07:54 KelsierSC wrote: I'm waiting for prplhz to respond to my question.
6
There's really not much to it.
"I think I see where you and Oatsmaster and raynpelikoneet are coming from"
What I mean is. I think I see why you are voting him, I think I see the reason he is scum. You had made a one liner and I thought it was "alright", not good but it had the gist of "that's a weirdly serious first post" which I agreed with. Oatsmaster and raynpelikoneet hadn't explained their reads but that doesn't mean I cannot see they would think Trfel is scum.
Hmm I guess that makes sense.
Oats did actually vote him I didn't see that
And you just saw that just now? I didn't mention in my post that Oatsmaster had voted.
...bolded
How else would you know oats thought trefl was scum as he didn't mention him in the thread...
That was my whole point
9
I don't get it. I'm scum because I think Oatsmaster thinks Trfel is scum even though Oatsmaster hasn't said so in the thread? How does that make me scum?
Because in that case you are making up reasons to justify your scum read on trfel.
Do you seriously think scum just intentionally straight up invent reads? What would I even gain from inventing an Oatsmaster read on Trfel in that situation?
If I was scum just looking to get on board, why would I feel the need to invent an Oatsmaster read? Don't you think I would have thought it sufficient to just mention you, rsoultin, and raynpelikoneet? There is literally no reason to invent an Oatsmaster read for me in that situation. With all due respect to Oatsmaster he's not exactly someone you name drop to get things done on this forum. It's completely ridiculous to claim that I would straight up intentionally invent an Oatsmaster read so I could "get onboard" when there were other, better people to sheep if that's what I wanted to do.
On February 28 2015 08:59 VayneAuthority wrote: prphlz is 100% town its not even a question, find something else kelsier. its obvious as fuck
Can you explain this read?
you might not be aware of it but your tone and posting habits are incredibly different then titanic. I know meta isn't the end all but I struggle to see you suddenly upping your effort and focus for a 2nd consecutive scum game, that's the logical conclusion.
Can you explain the bolded part? How is it different? Not looking for a giant analysis but a couple paragraphs should be easily doable.
On February 27 2015 22:28 prplhz wrote: I think I see where you and Oatsmaster and raynpelikoneet are coming from[...]
?????????????
I mean I can see why you would vote for Trfel.
Mafia reads aren't real so they have to make them up. They can make mistakes/panic. That's why it seems scummy Like your language just seems wrong. You can see where we're coming from implies we made cases or had opinions and you're justifying your scum read.
But now it feels like you are backtracking. "I see why your voting". Then you say you assume oats has a hard to follow reason..but how can you get where he js coming from...especially as you didn't even know his hard to follow reason
Guy #1: "I don't like it when my nuts get trapped in a dutch oven"
Guy #2: "I can understand that"
Guy #3: "How can you understand that when I didn't explain why I don't like it when my nuts get trapped in a dutch oven?"
This is literally the conversation I think we're having.
No because oats didn't say anything. You said you got where he was.coming from. Then you said you assumed he had a hard to follow opinion. So how can you get it? Less dodging
I never said "I get it".
Take the part where I said "I get where [they] are coming from". Replace it with "I understand why they would think he is scum" (as in, "I think he is scummy so I understand why someone else would think he is scummy too"). If you don't accept that what I meant by the first line can be expressed by the second line then vote me or whatever. If you accept it, then start talking to me about the second line.
I'm really not dodging, I just spent like 15 posts explaining this to you. Quite literally, most of my filter is talking to you about it so I'm not dodging. If you want to see me dodge then let me know.
I'm already voting you.
I've made my conclusions on this known. It seemed like you were making up reasons to get onboard and now you're backtracking. Also how can you get where oats is coming from, but then say he has a hard to follow reason, which he never gives. I think you're caught. But I'll let others give their views or whatever.
Id like your read on other people Oats and robik specifically
On February 28 2015 07:54 KelsierSC wrote: I'm waiting for prplhz to respond to my question.
6
There's really not much to it.
"I think I see where you and Oatsmaster and raynpelikoneet are coming from"
What I mean is. I think I see why you are voting him, I think I see the reason he is scum. You had made a one liner and I thought it was "alright", not good but it had the gist of "that's a weirdly serious first post" which I agreed with. Oatsmaster and raynpelikoneet hadn't explained their reads but that doesn't mean I cannot see they would think Trfel is scum.
Hmm I guess that makes sense.
Oats did actually vote him I didn't see that
And you just saw that just now? I didn't mention in my post that Oatsmaster had voted.
...bolded
How else would you know oats thought trefl was scum as he didn't mention him in the thread...
That was my whole point
9
I don't get it. I'm scum because I think Oatsmaster thinks Trfel is scum even though Oatsmaster hasn't said so in the thread? How does that make me scum?
Because in that case you are making up reasons to justify your scum read on trfel.
Do you seriously think scum just intentionally straight up invent reads? What would I even gain from inventing an Oatsmaster read on Trfel in that situation?
If I was scum just looking to get on board, why would I feel the need to invent an Oatsmaster read? Don't you think I would have thought it sufficient to just mention you, rsoultin, and raynpelikoneet? There is literally no reason to invent an Oatsmaster read for me in that situation. With all due respect to Oatsmaster he's not exactly someone you name drop to get things done on this forum. It's completely ridiculous to claim that I would straight up intentionally invent an Oatsmaster read so I could "get onboard" when there were other, better people to sheep if that's what I wanted to do.
##Vote KelsierSC
I'm not saying it was intentional. I think you had to make up a read and made a mistake
Voting me is some pathetic faje display of indignation.
Why ate you reluctant to give the reads I asked for
On February 27 2015 22:28 prplhz wrote: I think I see where you and Oatsmaster and raynpelikoneet are coming from[...]
?????????????
I mean I can see why you would vote for Trfel.
Mafia reads aren't real so they have to make them up. They can make mistakes/panic. That's why it seems scummy Like your language just seems wrong. You can see where we're coming from implies we made cases or had opinions and you're justifying your scum read.
But now it feels like you are backtracking. "I see why your voting". Then you say you assume oats has a hard to follow reason..but how can you get where he js coming from...especially as you didn't even know his hard to follow reason
Guy #1: "I don't like it when my nuts get trapped in a dutch oven"
Guy #2: "I can understand that"
Guy #3: "How can you understand that when I didn't explain why I don't like it when my nuts get trapped in a dutch oven?"
This is literally the conversation I think we're having.
No because oats didn't say anything. You said you got where he was.coming from. Then you said you assumed he had a hard to follow opinion. So how can you get it? Less dodging
I never said "I get it".
Take the part where I said "I get where [they] are coming from". Replace it with "I understand why they would think he is scum" (as in, "I think he is scummy so I understand why someone else would think he is scummy too"). If you don't accept that what I meant by the first line can be expressed by the second line then vote me or whatever. If you accept it, then start talking to me about the second line.
I'm really not dodging, I just spent like 15 posts explaining this to you. Quite literally, most of my filter is talking to you about it so I'm not dodging. If you want to see me dodge then let me know.
I'm already voting you.
I've made my conclusions on this known. It seemed like you were making up reasons to get onboard and now you're backtracking. Also how can you get where oats is coming from, but then say he has a hard to follow reason, which he never gives. I think you're caught. But I'll let others give their views or whatever.
Id like your read on other people Oats and robik specifically
On February 28 2015 09:18 prplhz wrote: 10
On February 28 2015 09:14 KelsierSC wrote:
On February 28 2015 09:13 prplhz wrote:
On February 28 2015 09:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On February 28 2015 09:07 prplhz wrote: 7
On February 28 2015 09:04 KelsierSC wrote:
On February 28 2015 08:57 prplhz wrote:
On February 28 2015 07:54 KelsierSC wrote: I'm waiting for prplhz to respond to my question.
6
There's really not much to it.
"I think I see where you and Oatsmaster and raynpelikoneet are coming from"
What I mean is. I think I see why you are voting him, I think I see the reason he is scum. You had made a one liner and I thought it was "alright", not good but it had the gist of "that's a weirdly serious first post" which I agreed with. Oatsmaster and raynpelikoneet hadn't explained their reads but that doesn't mean I cannot see they would think Trfel is scum.
Hmm I guess that makes sense.
Oats did actually vote him I didn't see that
And you just saw that just now? I didn't mention in my post that Oatsmaster had voted.
...bolded
How else would you know oats thought trefl was scum as he didn't mention him in the thread...
That was my whole point
9
I don't get it. I'm scum because I think Oatsmaster thinks Trfel is scum even though Oatsmaster hasn't said so in the thread? How does that make me scum?
Because in that case you are making up reasons to justify your scum read on trfel.
Do you seriously think scum just intentionally straight up invent reads? What would I even gain from inventing an Oatsmaster read on Trfel in that situation?
If I was scum just looking to get on board, why would I feel the need to invent an Oatsmaster read? Don't you think I would have thought it sufficient to just mention you, rsoultin, and raynpelikoneet? There is literally no reason to invent an Oatsmaster read for me in that situation. With all due respect to Oatsmaster he's not exactly someone you name drop to get things done on this forum. It's completely ridiculous to claim that I would straight up intentionally invent an Oatsmaster read so I could "get onboard" when there were other, better people to sheep if that's what I wanted to do.
##Vote KelsierSC
I'm not saying it was intentional. I think you had to make up a read and made a mistake
Voting me is some pathetic faje display of indignation.
Why ate you reluctant to give the reads I asked for
On February 28 2015 09:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] ?????????????
I mean I can see why you would vote for Trfel.
Mafia reads aren't real so they have to make them up. They can make mistakes/panic. That's why it seems scummy Like your language just seems wrong. You can see where we're coming from implies we made cases or had opinions and you're justifying your scum read.
But now it feels like you are backtracking. "I see why your voting". Then you say you assume oats has a hard to follow reason..but how can you get where he js coming from...especially as you didn't even know his hard to follow reason
Guy #1: "I don't like it when my nuts get trapped in a dutch oven"
Guy #2: "I can understand that"
Guy #3: "How can you understand that when I didn't explain why I don't like it when my nuts get trapped in a dutch oven?"
This is literally the conversation I think we're having.
No because oats didn't say anything. You said you got where he was.coming from. Then you said you assumed he had a hard to follow opinion. So how can you get it? Less dodging
I never said "I get it".
Take the part where I said "I get where [they] are coming from". Replace it with "I understand why they would think he is scum" (as in, "I think he is scummy so I understand why someone else would think he is scummy too"). If you don't accept that what I meant by the first line can be expressed by the second line then vote me or whatever. If you accept it, then start talking to me about the second line.
I'm really not dodging, I just spent like 15 posts explaining this to you. Quite literally, most of my filter is talking to you about it so I'm not dodging. If you want to see me dodge then let me know.
I'm already voting you.
I've made my conclusions on this known. It seemed like you were making up reasons to get onboard and now you're backtracking. Also how can you get where oats is coming from, but then say he has a hard to follow reason, which he never gives. I think you're caught. But I'll let others give their views or whatever.
Id like your read on other people Oats and robik specifically
On February 28 2015 09:18 prplhz wrote: 10
On February 28 2015 09:14 KelsierSC wrote:
On February 28 2015 09:13 prplhz wrote:
On February 28 2015 09:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On February 28 2015 09:07 prplhz wrote: 7
On February 28 2015 09:04 KelsierSC wrote:
On February 28 2015 08:57 prplhz wrote: [quote] 6
There's really not much to it.
"I think I see where you and Oatsmaster and raynpelikoneet are coming from"
What I mean is. I think I see why you are voting him, I think I see the reason he is scum. You had made a one liner and I thought it was "alright", not good but it had the gist of "that's a weirdly serious first post" which I agreed with. Oatsmaster and raynpelikoneet hadn't explained their reads but that doesn't mean I cannot see they would think Trfel is scum.
Hmm I guess that makes sense.
Oats did actually vote him I didn't see that
And you just saw that just now? I didn't mention in my post that Oatsmaster had voted.
...bolded
How else would you know oats thought trefl was scum as he didn't mention him in the thread...
That was my whole point
9
I don't get it. I'm scum because I think Oatsmaster thinks Trfel is scum even though Oatsmaster hasn't said so in the thread? How does that make me scum?
Because in that case you are making up reasons to justify your scum read on trfel.
Do you seriously think scum just intentionally straight up invent reads? What would I even gain from inventing an Oatsmaster read on Trfel in that situation?
If I was scum just looking to get on board, why would I feel the need to invent an Oatsmaster read? Don't you think I would have thought it sufficient to just mention you, rsoultin, and raynpelikoneet? There is literally no reason to invent an Oatsmaster read for me in that situation. With all due respect to Oatsmaster he's not exactly someone you name drop to get things done on this forum. It's completely ridiculous to claim that I would straight up intentionally invent an Oatsmaster read so I could "get onboard" when there were other, better people to sheep if that's what I wanted to do.
##Vote KelsierSC
I'm not saying it was intentional. I think you had to make up a read and made a mistake
Voting me is some pathetic faje display of indignation.
Why ate you reluctant to give the reads I asked for
Mafia reads aren't real so they have to make them up. They can make mistakes/panic. That's why it seems scummy Like your language just seems wrong. You can see where we're coming from implies we made cases or had opinions and you're justifying your scum read.
But now it feels like you are backtracking. "I see why your voting". Then you say you assume oats has a hard to follow reason..but how can you get where he js coming from...especially as you didn't even know his hard to follow reason
Guy #1: "I don't like it when my nuts get trapped in a dutch oven"
Guy #2: "I can understand that"
Guy #3: "How can you understand that when I didn't explain why I don't like it when my nuts get trapped in a dutch oven?"
This is literally the conversation I think we're having.
No because oats didn't say anything. You said you got where he was.coming from. Then you said you assumed he had a hard to follow opinion. So how can you get it? Less dodging
I never said "I get it".
Take the part where I said "I get where [they] are coming from". Replace it with "I understand why they would think he is scum" (as in, "I think he is scummy so I understand why someone else would think he is scummy too"). If you don't accept that what I meant by the first line can be expressed by the second line then vote me or whatever. If you accept it, then start talking to me about the second line.
I'm really not dodging, I just spent like 15 posts explaining this to you. Quite literally, most of my filter is talking to you about it so I'm not dodging. If you want to see me dodge then let me know.
I'm already voting you.
I've made my conclusions on this known. It seemed like you were making up reasons to get onboard and now you're backtracking. Also how can you get where oats is coming from, but then say he has a hard to follow reason, which he never gives. I think you're caught. But I'll let others give their views or whatever.
Id like your read on other people Oats and robik specifically
On February 28 2015 09:18 prplhz wrote: 10
On February 28 2015 09:14 KelsierSC wrote:
On February 28 2015 09:13 prplhz wrote:
On February 28 2015 09:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On February 28 2015 09:07 prplhz wrote: 7
On February 28 2015 09:04 KelsierSC wrote: [quote]
Hmm I guess that makes sense.
Oats did actually vote him I didn't see that
And you just saw that just now? I didn't mention in my post that Oatsmaster had voted.
...bolded
How else would you know oats thought trefl was scum as he didn't mention him in the thread...
That was my whole point
9
I don't get it. I'm scum because I think Oatsmaster thinks Trfel is scum even though Oatsmaster hasn't said so in the thread? How does that make me scum?
Because in that case you are making up reasons to justify your scum read on trfel.
Do you seriously think scum just intentionally straight up invent reads? What would I even gain from inventing an Oatsmaster read on Trfel in that situation?
If I was scum just looking to get on board, why would I feel the need to invent an Oatsmaster read? Don't you think I would have thought it sufficient to just mention you, rsoultin, and raynpelikoneet? There is literally no reason to invent an Oatsmaster read for me in that situation. With all due respect to Oatsmaster he's not exactly someone you name drop to get things done on this forum. It's completely ridiculous to claim that I would straight up intentionally invent an Oatsmaster read so I could "get onboard" when there were other, better people to sheep if that's what I wanted to do.
##Vote KelsierSC
I'm not saying it was intentional. I think you had to make up a read and made a mistake
Voting me is some pathetic faje display of indignation.
Why ate you reluctant to give the reads I asked for
What mistake did I make?
Ive made this clear already.
Give the reads I asked for so we can move on
Like, I really also thought I'd made myself clear but I repeated myself again and again answering your questions.
1 between trfel and rso. Trfel's filter this game feels different from his mafia game filter, but only slightly. So meh. I can't even recount RSO's posts. So prob RSO.
On February 28 2015 10:14 Superbia wrote: 1 between trfel and rso. Trfel's filter this game feels different from his mafia game filter, but only slightly. So meh. I can't even recount RSO's posts. So prob RSO.
Id also say that I doubt mafia trefl would interrupt trolling to make a post about rsol that gets the thread going but doesn't say anything.
On February 28 2015 10:14 Superbia wrote: Can someone link me to some of rayn's games? Especially ones where Palmar's playing as well.
....weren't you just in one?
Yes. I need more.
I dunno man..i think rayns pretty clearly town though
Straight up from the thread, that's what I'm getting as well. I don't know how competent his mafia is, however. And he seemed very eager to interact with Palmar in the game we played, an eagerness which has been absent this game. No idea what it actually means, though.
On February 28 2015 10:14 Superbia wrote: Can someone link me to some of rayn's games? Especially ones where Palmar's playing as well.
....weren't you just in one?
Yes. I need more.
I dunno man..i think rayns pretty clearly town though
Straight up from the thread, that's what I'm getting as well. I don't know how competent his mafia is, however. And he seemed very eager to interact with Palmar in the game we played, an eagerness which has been absent this game. No idea what it actually means, though.
Honestly I've barely analyzed your interactions. KSC pinged you out for essentially putting words in oats' mouth, iirc. I have KSC as town, not sure where you are at atm.
On February 28 2015 10:14 Superbia wrote: Can someone link me to some of rayn's games? Especially ones where Palmar's playing as well.
....weren't you just in one?
Yes. I need more.
I dunno man..i think rayns pretty clearly town though
Straight up from the thread, that's what I'm getting as well. I don't know how competent his mafia is, however. And he seemed very eager to interact with Palmar in the game we played, an eagerness which has been absent this game. No idea what it actually means, though.
Palmar isn't here is what it means.
Yeah but he wasn't there last game as well. But rayn still pinged him out and itneracted with him. Here it's like rayn doesn't actually give a shit here.
I'm not sure about trefo, I didn't like his entry, I really liked what rayn had to say about it as well. But its hard to see scum doing that, interrupting trolling to make that big post.
On February 28 2015 10:28 KelsierSC wrote: I'm not sure about trefo, I didn't like his entry, I really liked what rayn had to say about it as well. But its hard to see scum doing that, interrupting trolling to make that big post.
Nah, I disagree with that. He seems very aware of his own meta and filters. Trolling and lurking is not in his town playbook. Which is why I'm not entirely sure on RSO atm.
On February 28 2015 10:14 Superbia wrote: Can someone link me to some of rayn's games? Especially ones where Palmar's playing as well.
....weren't you just in one?
Yes. I need more.
I dunno man..i think rayns pretty clearly town though
Straight up from the thread, that's what I'm getting as well. I don't know how competent his mafia is, however. And he seemed very eager to interact with Palmar in the game we played, an eagerness which has been absent this game. No idea what it actually means, though.
Palmar isn't here is what it means.
Yeah but he wasn't there last game as well. But rayn still pinged him out and itneracted with him. Here it's like rayn doesn't actually give a shit here.
Well I mean palmar was mafia and rayn didn't have a good time so id understand if he tried a different idea.
@KelsierSC I'll answer you question if you answer mine. This ignoring me thing is boring and useless and you don't know that I am scum for shit and since we're both here we might as well talk.
You just said I wasn't intentionally making up Oatsmaster's read so apparently the mistake I made was to think that Oatsmaster had scum read Trfel when he hadn't (although he had)? If this is the reason you're voting me you need to explain to me, why are scum more likely to make this mistake than town?
On February 28 2015 10:14 Superbia wrote: Can someone link me to some of rayn's games? Especially ones where Palmar's playing as well.
....weren't you just in one?
Yes. I need more.
I dunno man..i think rayns pretty clearly town though
Straight up from the thread, that's what I'm getting as well. I don't know how competent his mafia is, however. And he seemed very eager to interact with Palmar in the game we played, an eagerness which has been absent this game. No idea what it actually means, though.
Palmar isn't here is what it means.
Yeah but he wasn't there last game as well. But rayn still pinged him out and itneracted with him. Here it's like rayn doesn't actually give a shit here.
Well I mean palmar was mafia and rayn didn't have a good time so id understand if he tried a different idea.
I think this thread and your instincts is enough
Meh, I'll find some other games with them tomorrow and see if I can find a trend.
@KelsierSC I'll answer you question if you answer mine. This ignoring me thing is boring and useless and you don't know that I am scum for shit and since we're both here we might as well talk.
You just said I wasn't intentionally making up Oatsmaster's read so apparently the mistake I made was to think that Oatsmaster had scum read Trfel when he hadn't (although he had)? If this is the reason you're voting me you need to explain to me, why are scum more likely to make this mistake than town?
Alright broken down.
1. Your jump on trefl felt opportunistic and the reason was poor.
2. When questioned you said specifically that you "got where rayn,oats and I where coming from" to me this implies you liked the cases we made. I had a one liner,oats hadn't said anything.
3. You then said later that you didn't know oats reason and assumed it was hard to follow...if its hard to follow you can't get him. Especially when he hasn't given the reason.
Scum reads are fake, they have to lie , they can make mistakes.especially under scrutiny
4. You dodged rayn on some pretty obvious technicalities
On February 27 2015 12:29 Oatsmaster wrote: palmar is absolutely a fucking lier but hes not scum.
You got that from his two ever-so-enlightening posts?
-bows to the Palmar!whisperer-
Still no post from Trfel in the thread. A half hour passes, and I go huh. Let's try something.
@2222... Rsoul votes a Trfel
@2233... Oats votes a Trfel (I commented on this vote, prplhz, which is probably where you got your impression from)
Low and behold, a magically appearing Trfel posts @23:05 + Show Spoiler +
On February 27 2015 14:05 Trfel wrote: Hi.
I'm going to head to sleep now, but I figured I would share some thoughts first.
First, this is obviously a post restricted game, and I intend to do my best to use my posts effectively. At times, this can mean communicating my thoughts through the voting thread (see my vote and later unvote on rsoultin). I feel that my reasons for both of these actions were obvious, though I do intend to explain.
My real question is, where does the nonsense end and the game start? I feel like there has been a lot more opening nonsense this game than in most, and this game is the one with post restrictions.
Here's the reasons for my suspicions of rsoultin.
I can understand wasting posts at the start of the game, but the post wasting continued for quite some time. Rsoultin's posts felt like they came later, more of as an afterthought, while it was after the point that nonsense posts had any value in at least starting the conversation. By the time rsoultin first posted, we had Robik wasting five posts, VayneAuthority voting for Oatsmaster, two vanilla town claims, and a cop claim. Plenty of random things to start the game, no more is needed. And then comes this wonderful post.
On February 27 2015 08:33 VayneAuthority wrote: metas are meant to be broken
like buildings
and people
a likely story
-rolls around the thread-
ritoky are you happy? you seem happy. should I be glad you're happy?
Rsoultin isn't saying anything at all here, and she isn't making a joke or an interesting comment. "Rolling around the thread" and discussing happiness feels a bit out of place, though I'm bad at tone reads. My point is that I expect rsoultin to be sensible enough to conserve posts to some degree, and I don't see that here. Thus, my vote communicated the simple message of "step it up and play the game". Rsoultin shared a small number of game-related thoughts, and I removed my vote for now.
I know that many people have made useless posts, I just think rsoultin looks more suspicious for it because she is sensible enough not to and she started doing so well after everyone else did. I am very interested to see where rsoultin goes from here.
Thoughts?
A riddle for you, KSC...now what could possibly be the scum motivation for that sequence? xP
@Superbia...why don't you read, lovely? "Overly defensive"? lol...I had five points, one of which was a half-defense/half-snark and the other four reasons that I thought the progression and Trfel's post were scummy.
Also, since this comes up every game...I work. I will be gone for big chunks of the day because of it. Deal with it.
On February 27 2015 12:29 Oatsmaster wrote: palmar is absolutely a fucking lier but hes not scum.
You got that from his two ever-so-enlightening posts?
-bows to the Palmar!whisperer-
Still no post from Trfel in the thread. A half hour passes, and I go huh. Let's try something.
@2222... Rsoul votes a Trfel
@2233... Oats votes a Trfel (I commented on this vote, prplhz, which is probably where you got your impression from)
Low and behold, a magically appearing Trfel posts @23:05 + Show Spoiler +
On February 27 2015 14:05 Trfel wrote: Hi.
I'm going to head to sleep now, but I figured I would share some thoughts first.
First, this is obviously a post restricted game, and I intend to do my best to use my posts effectively. At times, this can mean communicating my thoughts through the voting thread (see my vote and later unvote on rsoultin). I feel that my reasons for both of these actions were obvious, though I do intend to explain.
My real question is, where does the nonsense end and the game start? I feel like there has been a lot more opening nonsense this game than in most, and this game is the one with post restrictions.
Here's the reasons for my suspicions of rsoultin.
I can understand wasting posts at the start of the game, but the post wasting continued for quite some time. Rsoultin's posts felt like they came later, more of as an afterthought, while it was after the point that nonsense posts had any value in at least starting the conversation. By the time rsoultin first posted, we had Robik wasting five posts, VayneAuthority voting for Oatsmaster, two vanilla town claims, and a cop claim. Plenty of random things to start the game, no more is needed. And then comes this wonderful post.
On February 27 2015 08:33 VayneAuthority wrote: metas are meant to be broken
like buildings
and people
a likely story
-rolls around the thread-
ritoky are you happy? you seem happy. should I be glad you're happy?
Rsoultin isn't saying anything at all here, and she isn't making a joke or an interesting comment. "Rolling around the thread" and discussing happiness feels a bit out of place, though I'm bad at tone reads. My point is that I expect rsoultin to be sensible enough to conserve posts to some degree, and I don't see that here. Thus, my vote communicated the simple message of "step it up and play the game". Rsoultin shared a small number of game-related thoughts, and I removed my vote for now.
I know that many people have made useless posts, I just think rsoultin looks more suspicious for it because she is sensible enough not to and she started doing so well after everyone else did. I am very interested to see where rsoultin goes from here.
Thoughts?
A riddle for you, KSC...now what could possibly be the scum motivation for that sequence? xP
@Superbia...why don't you read, lovely? "Overly defensive"? lol...I had five points, one of which was a half-defense/half-snark and the other four reasons that I thought the progression and Trfel's post were scummy.
Also, since this comes up every game...I work. I will be gone for big chunks of the day because of it. Deal with it.
On February 28 2015 10:43 rsoultin wrote: Let's recap, shall we?
@1920... Trfel votes an Rsoul
My last post before this vote (1759):
On February 27 2015 08:59 rsoultin wrote:
On February 27 2015 08:45 IAmRobik wrote:
On February 27 2015 08:34 rsoultin wrote:
On February 27 2015 08:33 VayneAuthority wrote: metas are meant to be broken
like buildings
and people
a likely story
-rolls around the thread-
ritoky are you happy? you seem happy. should I be glad you're happy?
Silverarte: Hey Rsoul, why did you make this post? Rsoul: Oh, I don't know, because I like to post useless shit
Lol, hello pot. My name is kettle.
Oh wait, wait, there was a hidden message in your first five posts? -mindblown-
@2143... Trfel unvotes an Rsoul
My last post before this unvote (2133):
On February 27 2015 12:33 rsoultin wrote:
On February 27 2015 12:29 Oatsmaster wrote: palmar is absolutely a fucking lier but hes not scum.
You got that from his two ever-so-enlightening posts?
-bows to the Palmar!whisperer-
Still no post from Trfel in the thread. A half hour passes, and I go huh. Let's try something.
@2222... Rsoul votes a Trfel
@2233... Oats votes a Trfel (I commented on this vote, prplhz, which is probably where you got your impression from)
Low and behold, a magically appearing Trfel posts @23:05 + Show Spoiler +
On February 27 2015 14:05 Trfel wrote: Hi.
I'm going to head to sleep now, but I figured I would share some thoughts first.
First, this is obviously a post restricted game, and I intend to do my best to use my posts effectively. At times, this can mean communicating my thoughts through the voting thread (see my vote and later unvote on rsoultin). I feel that my reasons for both of these actions were obvious, though I do intend to explain.
My real question is, where does the nonsense end and the game start? I feel like there has been a lot more opening nonsense this game than in most, and this game is the one with post restrictions.
Here's the reasons for my suspicions of rsoultin.
I can understand wasting posts at the start of the game, but the post wasting continued for quite some time. Rsoultin's posts felt like they came later, more of as an afterthought, while it was after the point that nonsense posts had any value in at least starting the conversation. By the time rsoultin first posted, we had Robik wasting five posts, VayneAuthority voting for Oatsmaster, two vanilla town claims, and a cop claim. Plenty of random things to start the game, no more is needed. And then comes this wonderful post.
On February 27 2015 08:33 VayneAuthority wrote: metas are meant to be broken
like buildings
and people
a likely story
-rolls around the thread-
ritoky are you happy? you seem happy. should I be glad you're happy?
Rsoultin isn't saying anything at all here, and she isn't making a joke or an interesting comment. "Rolling around the thread" and discussing happiness feels a bit out of place, though I'm bad at tone reads. My point is that I expect rsoultin to be sensible enough to conserve posts to some degree, and I don't see that here. Thus, my vote communicated the simple message of "step it up and play the game". Rsoultin shared a small number of game-related thoughts, and I removed my vote for now.
I know that many people have made useless posts, I just think rsoultin looks more suspicious for it because she is sensible enough not to and she started doing so well after everyone else did. I am very interested to see where rsoultin goes from here.
Thoughts?
A riddle for you, KSC...now what could possibly be the scum motivation for that sequence? xP
@Superbia...why don't you read, lovely? "Overly defensive"? lol...I had five points, one of which was a half-defense/half-snark and the other four reasons that I thought the progression and Trfel's post were scummy.
Also, since this comes up every game...I work. I will be gone for big chunks of the day because of it. Deal with it.
What is the reason? I'm genuinely asking
You don't think it's at all strange that Trfel, who can be seen attempting to generate conversation and direct scumhunting in our newbie game together that just finished (all my games are in my profile for everyone's convenience), chose to vote and unvote in silence and only bothered to post or explain himself after two votes were on him?
His explanation for his behavior was weak, his follow-up post looked like cya to me, and now he's disappeared again...if any of you know Trfel or have played with him at all, tell me this looks like a town!Trfel to you with a straight face lol
On February 27 2015 12:29 Oatsmaster wrote: palmar is absolutely a fucking lier but hes not scum.
You got that from his two ever-so-enlightening posts?
-bows to the Palmar!whisperer-
Still no post from Trfel in the thread. A half hour passes, and I go huh. Let's try something.
@2222... Rsoul votes a Trfel
@2233... Oats votes a Trfel (I commented on this vote, prplhz, which is probably where you got your impression from)
Low and behold, a magically appearing Trfel posts @23:05 + Show Spoiler +
On February 27 2015 14:05 Trfel wrote: Hi.
I'm going to head to sleep now, but I figured I would share some thoughts first.
First, this is obviously a post restricted game, and I intend to do my best to use my posts effectively. At times, this can mean communicating my thoughts through the voting thread (see my vote and later unvote on rsoultin). I feel that my reasons for both of these actions were obvious, though I do intend to explain.
My real question is, where does the nonsense end and the game start? I feel like there has been a lot more opening nonsense this game than in most, and this game is the one with post restrictions.
Here's the reasons for my suspicions of rsoultin.
I can understand wasting posts at the start of the game, but the post wasting continued for quite some time. Rsoultin's posts felt like they came later, more of as an afterthought, while it was after the point that nonsense posts had any value in at least starting the conversation. By the time rsoultin first posted, we had Robik wasting five posts, VayneAuthority voting for Oatsmaster, two vanilla town claims, and a cop claim. Plenty of random things to start the game, no more is needed. And then comes this wonderful post.
On February 27 2015 08:33 VayneAuthority wrote: metas are meant to be broken
like buildings
and people
a likely story
-rolls around the thread-
ritoky are you happy? you seem happy. should I be glad you're happy?
Rsoultin isn't saying anything at all here, and she isn't making a joke or an interesting comment. "Rolling around the thread" and discussing happiness feels a bit out of place, though I'm bad at tone reads. My point is that I expect rsoultin to be sensible enough to conserve posts to some degree, and I don't see that here. Thus, my vote communicated the simple message of "step it up and play the game". Rsoultin shared a small number of game-related thoughts, and I removed my vote for now.
I know that many people have made useless posts, I just think rsoultin looks more suspicious for it because she is sensible enough not to and she started doing so well after everyone else did. I am very interested to see where rsoultin goes from here.
Thoughts?
A riddle for you, KSC...now what could possibly be the scum motivation for that sequence? xP
@Superbia...why don't you read, lovely? "Overly defensive"? lol...I had five points, one of which was a half-defense/half-snark and the other four reasons that I thought the progression and Trfel's post were scummy.
Also, since this comes up every game...I work. I will be gone for big chunks of the day because of it. Deal with it.
Your reply felt very dismissive, not aggressive at all.
Like, you have played with the dude, right? Your arguments boil down to a number of expections of what you expect from town (iirc). Are these something you would expect from trefl?
On February 28 2015 10:43 rsoultin wrote: Let's recap, shall we?
@1920... Trfel votes an Rsoul
My last post before this vote (1759):
On February 27 2015 08:59 rsoultin wrote:
On February 27 2015 08:45 IAmRobik wrote:
On February 27 2015 08:34 rsoultin wrote:
On February 27 2015 08:33 VayneAuthority wrote: metas are meant to be broken
like buildings
and people
a likely story
-rolls around the thread-
ritoky are you happy? you seem happy. should I be glad you're happy?
Silverarte: Hey Rsoul, why did you make this post? Rsoul: Oh, I don't know, because I like to post useless shit
Lol, hello pot. My name is kettle.
Oh wait, wait, there was a hidden message in your first five posts? -mindblown-
@2143... Trfel unvotes an Rsoul
My last post before this unvote (2133):
On February 27 2015 12:33 rsoultin wrote:
On February 27 2015 12:29 Oatsmaster wrote: palmar is absolutely a fucking lier but hes not scum.
You got that from his two ever-so-enlightening posts?
-bows to the Palmar!whisperer-
Still no post from Trfel in the thread. A half hour passes, and I go huh. Let's try something.
@2222... Rsoul votes a Trfel
@2233... Oats votes a Trfel (I commented on this vote, prplhz, which is probably where you got your impression from)
Low and behold, a magically appearing Trfel posts @23:05 + Show Spoiler +
On February 27 2015 14:05 Trfel wrote: Hi.
I'm going to head to sleep now, but I figured I would share some thoughts first.
First, this is obviously a post restricted game, and I intend to do my best to use my posts effectively. At times, this can mean communicating my thoughts through the voting thread (see my vote and later unvote on rsoultin). I feel that my reasons for both of these actions were obvious, though I do intend to explain.
My real question is, where does the nonsense end and the game start? I feel like there has been a lot more opening nonsense this game than in most, and this game is the one with post restrictions.
Here's the reasons for my suspicions of rsoultin.
I can understand wasting posts at the start of the game, but the post wasting continued for quite some time. Rsoultin's posts felt like they came later, more of as an afterthought, while it was after the point that nonsense posts had any value in at least starting the conversation. By the time rsoultin first posted, we had Robik wasting five posts, VayneAuthority voting for Oatsmaster, two vanilla town claims, and a cop claim. Plenty of random things to start the game, no more is needed. And then comes this wonderful post.
On February 27 2015 08:33 VayneAuthority wrote: metas are meant to be broken
like buildings
and people
a likely story
-rolls around the thread-
ritoky are you happy? you seem happy. should I be glad you're happy?
Rsoultin isn't saying anything at all here, and she isn't making a joke or an interesting comment. "Rolling around the thread" and discussing happiness feels a bit out of place, though I'm bad at tone reads. My point is that I expect rsoultin to be sensible enough to conserve posts to some degree, and I don't see that here. Thus, my vote communicated the simple message of "step it up and play the game". Rsoultin shared a small number of game-related thoughts, and I removed my vote for now.
I know that many people have made useless posts, I just think rsoultin looks more suspicious for it because she is sensible enough not to and she started doing so well after everyone else did. I am very interested to see where rsoultin goes from here.
Thoughts?
A riddle for you, KSC...now what could possibly be the scum motivation for that sequence? xP
@Superbia...why don't you read, lovely? "Overly defensive"? lol...I had five points, one of which was a half-defense/half-snark and the other four reasons that I thought the progression and Trfel's post were scummy.
Also, since this comes up every game...I work. I will be gone for big chunks of the day because of it. Deal with it.
What is the reason? I'm genuinely asking
You don't think it's at all strange that Trfel, who can be seen attempting to generate conversation and direct scumhunting in our newbie game together that just finished (all my games are in my profile for everyone's convenience), chose to vote and unvote in silence and only bothered to post or explain himself after two votes were on him?
His explanation for his behavior was weak, his follow-up post looked like cya to me, and now he's disappeared again...if any of you know Trfel or have played with him at all, tell me this looks like a town!Trfel to you with a straight face lol
On February 28 2015 10:43 rsoultin wrote: Let's recap, shall we?
@1920... Trfel votes an Rsoul
My last post before this vote (1759):
On February 27 2015 08:59 rsoultin wrote:
On February 27 2015 08:45 IAmRobik wrote:
On February 27 2015 08:34 rsoultin wrote:
On February 27 2015 08:33 VayneAuthority wrote: metas are meant to be broken
like buildings
and people
a likely story
-rolls around the thread-
ritoky are you happy? you seem happy. should I be glad you're happy?
Silverarte: Hey Rsoul, why did you make this post? Rsoul: Oh, I don't know, because I like to post useless shit
Lol, hello pot. My name is kettle.
Oh wait, wait, there was a hidden message in your first five posts? -mindblown-
@2143... Trfel unvotes an Rsoul
My last post before this unvote (2133):
On February 27 2015 12:33 rsoultin wrote:
On February 27 2015 12:29 Oatsmaster wrote: palmar is absolutely a fucking lier but hes not scum.
You got that from his two ever-so-enlightening posts?
-bows to the Palmar!whisperer-
Still no post from Trfel in the thread. A half hour passes, and I go huh. Let's try something.
@2222... Rsoul votes a Trfel
@2233... Oats votes a Trfel (I commented on this vote, prplhz, which is probably where you got your impression from)
Low and behold, a magically appearing Trfel posts @23:05 + Show Spoiler +
On February 27 2015 14:05 Trfel wrote: Hi.
I'm going to head to sleep now, but I figured I would share some thoughts first.
First, this is obviously a post restricted game, and I intend to do my best to use my posts effectively. At times, this can mean communicating my thoughts through the voting thread (see my vote and later unvote on rsoultin). I feel that my reasons for both of these actions were obvious, though I do intend to explain.
My real question is, where does the nonsense end and the game start? I feel like there has been a lot more opening nonsense this game than in most, and this game is the one with post restrictions.
Here's the reasons for my suspicions of rsoultin.
I can understand wasting posts at the start of the game, but the post wasting continued for quite some time. Rsoultin's posts felt like they came later, more of as an afterthought, while it was after the point that nonsense posts had any value in at least starting the conversation. By the time rsoultin first posted, we had Robik wasting five posts, VayneAuthority voting for Oatsmaster, two vanilla town claims, and a cop claim. Plenty of random things to start the game, no more is needed. And then comes this wonderful post.
On February 27 2015 08:33 VayneAuthority wrote: metas are meant to be broken
like buildings
and people
a likely story
-rolls around the thread-
ritoky are you happy? you seem happy. should I be glad you're happy?
Rsoultin isn't saying anything at all here, and she isn't making a joke or an interesting comment. "Rolling around the thread" and discussing happiness feels a bit out of place, though I'm bad at tone reads. My point is that I expect rsoultin to be sensible enough to conserve posts to some degree, and I don't see that here. Thus, my vote communicated the simple message of "step it up and play the game". Rsoultin shared a small number of game-related thoughts, and I removed my vote for now.
I know that many people have made useless posts, I just think rsoultin looks more suspicious for it because she is sensible enough not to and she started doing so well after everyone else did. I am very interested to see where rsoultin goes from here.
Thoughts?
A riddle for you, KSC...now what could possibly be the scum motivation for that sequence? xP
@Superbia...why don't you read, lovely? "Overly defensive"? lol...I had five points, one of which was a half-defense/half-snark and the other four reasons that I thought the progression and Trfel's post were scummy.
Also, since this comes up every game...I work. I will be gone for big chunks of the day because of it. Deal with it.
Your reply felt very dismissive, not aggressive at all.
Like, you have played with the dude, right? Your arguments boil down to a number of expections of what you expect from town (iirc). Are these something you would expect from trefl?
And? Is there some reason that my reply should feel "aggressive" over "dismissive" that I should know about? I started a wagon on him and encouraged others to vote him.
Trfel is not playing how I would expect him to, no. Look at Student Mafia V. Look at Newbie Mini Mafia whatever number...the most recent. It is normal for me to get a read on his alignment early...and accurately xP
My only reservation really is I know that he is trying some new things after last game, but the longer he is unproductive after bitching at us (specifically me) for being unproductive, the more the possibility of his being awkward town drops.
@KelsierSC I'll answer you question if you answer mine. This ignoring me thing is boring and useless and you don't know that I am scum for shit and since we're both here we might as well talk.
You just said I wasn't intentionally making up Oatsmaster's read so apparently the mistake I made was to think that Oatsmaster had scum read Trfel when he hadn't (although he had)? If this is the reason you're voting me you need to explain to me, why are scum more likely to make this mistake than town?
Alright broken down.
1. Your jump on trefl felt opportunistic and the reason was poor.
2. When questioned you said specifically that you "got where rayn,oats and I where coming from" to me this implies you liked the cases we made. I had a one liner,oats hadn't said anything.
3. You then said later that you didn't know oats reason and assumed it was hard to follow...if its hard to follow you can't get him. Especially when he hasn't given the reason.
Scum reads are fake, they have to lie , they can make mistakes.especially under scrutiny
4. You dodged rayn on some pretty obvious technicalities
5. You voted me out if fake bullshit indignation.
Ok you can give reads on robik and oats now
1. Can't convince you otherwise here. The reason was as good as they come at that stage in the game and certainly better than your reason.
2. Well then you are misunderstanding me. Please answer this question: can you not see how it is possible that what I meant by "I see where they're coming from" is "I can understand why they or anyone else would think Trfel is scummy because I think he is scummy too"? I want you to either a) acknowledge that possiblity and say that's not what you think I meant and that I am scum making that up as an afterthought or b) acknowledge that's exactly what I meant and there's nothing scummy about that.
3. Again, you are assuming I said I knew Oatsmaster's reason for voting Trfel when at no point did I know Oatsmaster's reason. I am even saying it now, I didn't know Oatsmaster's reason and I don't know it now. I can see that there are reasons for why he might think a person I find scummy is scummy. As for the "hard to follow", Oatsmaster is sometimes hard to follow, at least he was back when I played with him last.
4. No I really didn't dodge anything. I answered every question asked of me. This dodging accusation is really bullshit because I am answering everything here. You might think I'm not answering well enough, whatever, but I'm very clearly not dodging anything.
5. No. I am voting you because you cannot explain why you are voting me. You are saying that I made a mistake but you cannot explain why this mistake is scummy. The rest of the reason you are voting me consists of all these unsubstantial and unsubstantiated pokes like "oppotunistic" and "fake bullshit indignation" which is at best as ridiculous as Blazinghand's "fake anger" accusation against raynpelikoneet last game.
Please. You are saying that I am not intentionally making things up about Oatsmaster. Fine. Why are scum more likely to accidentally make things up about Oatsmaster than town? If anyone is dodging a question it's you dodging the question "Why are scum more likely to accidentally think Oatsmaster did something he didn't?" (which btw, he did), you really didn't answer that in that post just there. You just reinterated some other points on me I don't really care about.
2a or 2b and answer the question in the last paragraph.
IAmRobik seems town for the mod comment, I don't know about Oatsmaster but slightly leaning scum.
On skimming the thread, the argument against prplhz seems primarily based on semantics.
I did not see anything that just hit me in the face scummy from him...and there were a few such points early game when we were scum together in Titanic. I don't think he's scum this game.
On February 28 2015 11:03 rsoultin wrote: On skimming the thread, the argument against prplhz seems primarily based on semantics.
I did not see anything that just hit me in the face scummy from him...and there were a few such points early game when we were scum together in Titanic. I don't think he's scum this game.
And don't you think it's weird that KelsierSC doesn't get this?
On February 28 2015 10:43 rsoultin wrote: Let's recap, shall we?
@1920... Trfel votes an Rsoul
My last post before this vote (1759):
On February 27 2015 08:59 rsoultin wrote:
On February 27 2015 08:45 IAmRobik wrote:
On February 27 2015 08:34 rsoultin wrote:
On February 27 2015 08:33 VayneAuthority wrote: metas are meant to be broken
like buildings
and people
a likely story
-rolls around the thread-
ritoky are you happy? you seem happy. should I be glad you're happy?
Silverarte: Hey Rsoul, why did you make this post? Rsoul: Oh, I don't know, because I like to post useless shit
Lol, hello pot. My name is kettle.
Oh wait, wait, there was a hidden message in your first five posts? -mindblown-
@2143... Trfel unvotes an Rsoul
My last post before this unvote (2133):
On February 27 2015 12:33 rsoultin wrote:
On February 27 2015 12:29 Oatsmaster wrote: palmar is absolutely a fucking lier but hes not scum.
You got that from his two ever-so-enlightening posts?
-bows to the Palmar!whisperer-
Still no post from Trfel in the thread. A half hour passes, and I go huh. Let's try something.
@2222... Rsoul votes a Trfel
@2233... Oats votes a Trfel (I commented on this vote, prplhz, which is probably where you got your impression from)
Low and behold, a magically appearing Trfel posts @23:05 + Show Spoiler +
On February 27 2015 14:05 Trfel wrote: Hi.
I'm going to head to sleep now, but I figured I would share some thoughts first.
First, this is obviously a post restricted game, and I intend to do my best to use my posts effectively. At times, this can mean communicating my thoughts through the voting thread (see my vote and later unvote on rsoultin). I feel that my reasons for both of these actions were obvious, though I do intend to explain.
My real question is, where does the nonsense end and the game start? I feel like there has been a lot more opening nonsense this game than in most, and this game is the one with post restrictions.
Here's the reasons for my suspicions of rsoultin.
I can understand wasting posts at the start of the game, but the post wasting continued for quite some time. Rsoultin's posts felt like they came later, more of as an afterthought, while it was after the point that nonsense posts had any value in at least starting the conversation. By the time rsoultin first posted, we had Robik wasting five posts, VayneAuthority voting for Oatsmaster, two vanilla town claims, and a cop claim. Plenty of random things to start the game, no more is needed. And then comes this wonderful post.
On February 27 2015 08:33 VayneAuthority wrote: metas are meant to be broken
like buildings
and people
a likely story
-rolls around the thread-
ritoky are you happy? you seem happy. should I be glad you're happy?
Rsoultin isn't saying anything at all here, and she isn't making a joke or an interesting comment. "Rolling around the thread" and discussing happiness feels a bit out of place, though I'm bad at tone reads. My point is that I expect rsoultin to be sensible enough to conserve posts to some degree, and I don't see that here. Thus, my vote communicated the simple message of "step it up and play the game". Rsoultin shared a small number of game-related thoughts, and I removed my vote for now.
I know that many people have made useless posts, I just think rsoultin looks more suspicious for it because she is sensible enough not to and she started doing so well after everyone else did. I am very interested to see where rsoultin goes from here.
Thoughts?
A riddle for you, KSC...now what could possibly be the scum motivation for that sequence? xP
@Superbia...why don't you read, lovely? "Overly defensive"? lol...I had five points, one of which was a half-defense/half-snark and the other four reasons that I thought the progression and Trfel's post were scummy.
Also, since this comes up every game...I work. I will be gone for big chunks of the day because of it. Deal with it.
Your reply felt very dismissive, not aggressive at all.
Like, you have played with the dude, right? Your arguments boil down to a number of expections of what you expect from town (iirc). Are these something you would expect from trefl?
And? Is there some reason that my reply should feel "aggressive" over "dismissive" that I should know about? I started a wagon on him and encouraged others to vote him.
Trfel is not playing how I would expect him to, no. Look at Student Mafia V. Look at Newbie Mini Mafia whatever number...the most recent. It is normal for me to get a read on his alignment early...and accurately xP
My only reservation really is I know that he is trying some new things after last game, but the longer he is unproductive after bitching at us (specifically me) for being unproductive, the more the possibility of his being awkward town drops.
Eh, whatever. I want to see what trfel comes up with and evaluate from there. I do not really recall your arguments being strong in your response post, which was dismissive and therefore, defensive. You only really picked up the pace later, which you would've had to do as mafia, since you called the guy scummy. Your aimed arguments just now look 5000% better than the rest of your case, though I will look at the filter of that game when I'm in a less delirious mood. (i..e tomorrow)
On February 28 2015 11:03 rsoultin wrote: On skimming the thread, the argument against prplhz seems primarily based on semantics.
I did not see anything that just hit me in the face scummy from him...and there were a few such points early game when we were scum together in Titanic. I don't think he's scum this game.
And don't you think it's weird that KelsierSC doesn't get this?
I'm not sure on KSC yet. I've liked some of his posts, and found others to be highly nitpicky on weak reasons...but I can see a town mindset in turning over every stone in an attempt to find scum. I wouldn't vote him today based on his play so far.
@KelsierSC I'll answer you question if you answer mine. This ignoring me thing is boring and useless and you don't know that I am scum for shit and since we're both here we might as well talk.
You just said I wasn't intentionally making up Oatsmaster's read so apparently the mistake I made was to think that Oatsmaster had scum read Trfel when he hadn't (although he had)? If this is the reason you're voting me you need to explain to me, why are scum more likely to make this mistake than town?
Alright broken down.
1. Your jump on trefl felt opportunistic and the reason was poor.
2. When questioned you said specifically that you "got where rayn,oats and I where coming from" to me this implies you liked the cases we made. I had a one liner,oats hadn't said anything.
3. You then said later that you didn't know oats reason and assumed it was hard to follow...if its hard to follow you can't get him. Especially when he hasn't given the reason.
Scum reads are fake, they have to lie , they can make mistakes.especially under scrutiny
4. You dodged rayn on some pretty obvious technicalities
5. You voted me out if fake bullshit indignation.
Ok you can give reads on robik and oats now
1. Can't convince you otherwise here. The reason was as good as they come at that stage in the game and certainly better than your reason.
2. Well then you are misunderstanding me. Please answer this question: can you not see how it is possible that what I meant by "I see where they're coming from" is "I can understand why they or anyone else would think Trfel is scummy because I think he is scummy too"? I want you to either a) acknowledge that possiblity and say that's not what you think I meant and that I am scum making that up as an afterthought or b) acknowledge that's exactly what I meant and there's nothing scummy about that.
3. Again, you are assuming I said I knew Oatsmaster's reason for voting Trfel when at no point did I know Oatsmaster's reason. I am even saying it now, I didn't know Oatsmaster's reason and I don't know it now. I can see that there are reasons for why he might think a person I find scummy is scummy. As for the "hard to follow", Oatsmaster is sometimes hard to follow, at least he was back when I played with him last.
4. No I really didn't dodge anything. I answered every question asked of me. This dodging accusation is really bullshit because I am answering everything here. You might think I'm not answering well enough, whatever, but I'm very clearly not dodging anything.
5. No. I am voting you because you cannot explain why you are voting me. You are saying that I made a mistake but you cannot explain why this mistake is scummy. The rest of the reason you are voting me consists of all these unsubstantial and unsubstantiated pokes like "oppotunistic" and "fake bullshit indignation" which is at best as ridiculous as Blazinghand's "fake anger" accusation against raynpelikoneet last game.
Please. You are saying that I am not intentionally making things up about Oatsmaster. Fine. Why are scum more likely to accidentally make things up about Oatsmaster than town? If anyone is dodging a question it's you dodging the question "Why are scum more likely to accidentally think Oatsmaster did something he didn't?" (which btw, he did), you really didn't answer that in that post just there. You just reinterated some other points on me I don't really care about.
2a or 2b and answer the question in the last paragraph.
IAmRobik seems town for the mod comment, I don't know about Oatsmaster but slightly leaning scum.
Ive already explained why I was voting you so I dont understand why you keep saying that
@KelsierSC I'll answer you question if you answer mine. This ignoring me thing is boring and useless and you don't know that I am scum for shit and since we're both here we might as well talk.
You just said I wasn't intentionally making up Oatsmaster's read so apparently the mistake I made was to think that Oatsmaster had scum read Trfel when he hadn't (although he had)? If this is the reason you're voting me you need to explain to me, why are scum more likely to make this mistake than town?
Alright broken down.
1. Your jump on trefl felt opportunistic and the reason was poor.
2. When questioned you said specifically that you "got where rayn,oats and I where coming from" to me this implies you liked the cases we made. I had a one liner,oats hadn't said anything.
3. You then said later that you didn't know oats reason and assumed it was hard to follow...if its hard to follow you can't get him. Especially when he hasn't given the reason.
Scum reads are fake, they have to lie , they can make mistakes.especially under scrutiny
4. You dodged rayn on some pretty obvious technicalities
5. You voted me out if fake bullshit indignation.
Ok you can give reads on robik and oats now
1. Can't convince you otherwise here. The reason was as good as they come at that stage in the game and certainly better than your reason.
2. Well then you are misunderstanding me. Please answer this question: can you not see how it is possible that what I meant by "I see where they're coming from" is "I can understand why they or anyone else would think Trfel is scummy because I think he is scummy too"? I want you to either a) acknowledge that possiblity and say that's not what you think I meant and that I am scum making that up as an afterthought or b) acknowledge that's exactly what I meant and there's nothing scummy about that.
3. Again, you are assuming I said I knew Oatsmaster's reason for voting Trfel when at no point did I know Oatsmaster's reason. I am even saying it now, I didn't know Oatsmaster's reason and I don't know it now. I can see that there are reasons for why he might think a person I find scummy is scummy. As for the "hard to follow", Oatsmaster is sometimes hard to follow, at least he was back when I played with him last.
4. No I really didn't dodge anything. I answered every question asked of me. This dodging accusation is really bullshit because I am answering everything here. You might think I'm not answering well enough, whatever, but I'm very clearly not dodging anything.
5. No. I am voting you because you cannot explain why you are voting me. You are saying that I made a mistake but you cannot explain why this mistake is scummy. The rest of the reason you are voting me consists of all these unsubstantial and unsubstantiated pokes like "oppotunistic" and "fake bullshit indignation" which is at best as ridiculous as Blazinghand's "fake anger" accusation against raynpelikoneet last game.
Please. You are saying that I am not intentionally making things up about Oatsmaster. Fine. Why are scum more likely to accidentally make things up about Oatsmaster than town? If anyone is dodging a question it's you dodging the question "Why are scum more likely to accidentally think Oatsmaster did something he didn't?" (which btw, he did), you really didn't answer that in that post just there. You just reinterated some other points on me I don't really care about.
2a or 2b and answer the question in the last paragraph.
IAmRobik seems town for the mod comment, I don't know about Oatsmaster but slightly leaning scum.
Ive already explained why I was voting you so I dont understand why you keep saying that
I'm not exactly asking why you are voting me, I'm asking how your main argument (you think that I accidentally made something up about Oatsmaster) is alignment indicative. If you were just voting me for the other buzzword nonsense then I have nothing more.
I just cannot understand how you can think that I am scum for accidentally thinking that Oatsmaster had said something about Trfel. I don't understand why scum would be more likely to misremember something than town. Maybe in a long game where scum stop paying attention but this was like 3 pages into the game, most people (me included) can concentrate for that long even as scum.
On February 27 2015 14:26 rsoultin wrote: Truffle's post: + Show Spoiler +
On February 27 2015 14:05 Trfel wrote: Hi.
I'm going to head to sleep now, but I figured I would share some thoughts first.
First, this is obviously a post restricted game, and I intend to do my best to use my posts effectively. At times, this can mean communicating my thoughts through the voting thread (see my vote and later unvote on rsoultin). I feel that my reasons for both of these actions were obvious, though I do intend to explain.
My real question is, where does the nonsense end and the game start? I feel like there has been a lot more opening nonsense this game than in most, and this game is the one with post restrictions.
Here's the reasons for my suspicions of rsoultin.
I can understand wasting posts at the start of the game, but the post wasting continued for quite some time. Rsoultin's posts felt like they came later, more of as an afterthought, while it was after the point that nonsense posts had any value in at least starting the conversation. By the time rsoultin first posted, we had Robik wasting five posts, VayneAuthority voting for Oatsmaster, two vanilla town claims, and a cop claim. Plenty of random things to start the game, no more is needed. And then comes this wonderful post.
On February 27 2015 08:33 VayneAuthority wrote: metas are meant to be broken
like buildings
and people
a likely story
-rolls around the thread-
ritoky are you happy? you seem happy. should I be glad you're happy?
Rsoultin isn't saying anything at all here, and she isn't making a joke or an interesting comment. "Rolling around the thread" and discussing happiness feels a bit out of place, though I'm bad at tone reads. My point is that I expect rsoultin to be sensible enough to conserve posts to some degree, and I don't see that here. Thus, my vote communicated the simple message of "step it up and play the game". Rsoultin shared a small number of game-related thoughts, and I removed my vote for now.
I know that many people have made useless posts, I just think rsoultin looks more suspicious for it because she is sensible enough not to and she started doing so well after everyone else did. I am very interested to see where rsoultin goes from here.
Thoughts?
First: lamesauce. There was perhaps one post since I entered the thread that didn't have a particular purpose, and newsflash: the one you quoted wasn't it. I'm not going to translate myself for y'all, but you're free to ask me what I'm on about if you like. That's the more townie way of going about things Translation for the dull: Weak-ass argument, Trfel.
Second: Out of all the things going on in the thread, this is what you choose to talk about? Translation for the dull: Why was my posting the only thing he found significant in the thread?
Third: 60 posts a day phase. 60. You can't take two for votes and unvotes? You have to wait for Oats and I to vote you first before you can be bothered to explain yourself, instead thinking we'll read your mind? lol that's rich Translation for the dull: Trfel's excuse for not posting is complete BS.
Fourth: Don't think I'm not aware that you're scared of me catching you when you roll scum. My Trfel BS-dar is particularly good So you going out of your way not to say a word is very suspicious Truffle-wuffle. Translation for the ignorant: I caught him instantly in his one scum game on the site.
Fifth: If you don't like the direction of the thread, shouldn't you be in here guiding it rather than lurking and casting votes without explanations? You know, that other townie thing players do as town? Translation for the dull: Trfel complained about something without attempting to fix it, which suggests that it didn't bother him enough to do anything about. Or post at all, apparently.
Conclusion: I like my vote where it stands right now ^^ Translation for the dull: I think Trfel is scum.
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Yeah, that looks so defensive lol >< Your reads are much different than mine this game, Super. Some reason you're defending Trfel on an inexplicable meta-read that doesn't line up with mine...when mine has proven to be pretty damn good multiple times?
On February 28 2015 11:16 KelsierSC wrote: It is possible that you could have meant "i see why they would vote him". and i already said scum have to fake reads so it is easy to make mistakes.
Your vote on me just felt desperate.
You have answered everything and yeh it can be explained by "oh but i meant this" but like you seem bad.
I have a scum read in you but I'm going to let this go for now as the trfel case is better
And you think I could have made that up on the fly as scum?
I still don't understand how accidentally believing someone has said something can be alignment indicative.
On February 28 2015 11:21 rsoultin wrote: On an unrelated note, can someone explain to me why the mod's response to Robik's post makes Robik town? I'm lost on that one.
It looks like the moderator is confirming that IAmRobik's anger is real and he was angry about town not doing enough to figure out the game.
Yeah, I find the reasoning weak? I thought maybe there was more to it, lol. Maybe enough to keep him from being lynched today (Trfel should be the lynch, regardless, unless he suddenly starts bleeding town) but I'd hardly call that confirmed :/
Dunno the whole thing just looks like mod would have been like "lol cute robik" if he was scum and "wtf this nerd getting on my nerves again" when he was town.
I think it's pretty solid.
Probably shouldn't discuss mod actions but then again, mod should have stayed out of the thread.
Dunno the whole thing just looks like mod would have been like "lol cute robik" if he was scum and "wtf this nerd getting on my nerves again" when he was town.
I think it's pretty solid.
Probably shouldn't discuss mod actions but then again, mod should have stayed out of the thread.
Maybe he just saw a green wall of rage and responded without really taking note of the name/alignment. This speculation is pointless.
Dunno the whole thing just looks like mod would have been like "lol cute robik" if he was scum and "wtf this nerd getting on my nerves again" when he was town.
I think it's pretty solid.
Probably shouldn't discuss mod actions but then again, mod should have stayed out of the thread.
Maybe he just saw a green wall of rage and responded without really taking note of the name/alignment. This speculation is pointless.
Maybe, but I think it's a lot more likely that IAmRobik is town.
I like Rayn this game; his reads are lining up with mine on the whole. Like prplhz cause this doesn't seem like his scum game (in my limited experience, but whatevs) Like Slam, but I need to see more gooberliness to put him as firm town.
Robik I was scumreading earlier. I'm not really convinced by this "mod confirm", but I don't mind giving him the benefit of the doubt for a bit to see what happens.
Super may be scum. Rayn reads Trfel's scum game and thinks scum. I know Trfel well and think scum. Super says he has a god-tier meta-read and thinks town? Something does not compute.
1 Watch the personal attacks, please. I have no issues with language, but keep it to the arguments presented.
2 A few of you are approaching the post limit. Addressing questions on how we're handling warnings. Warnings will be issued privately when we see you've exceeded 60 posts.
If you hit 80 posts for whatever reason, that's an automatic modkill, and modkills/flips will be announced publically. If we return from being out of thread and we find that you've hit 80 when you were last below 60, that's a modkill.
Basically, stop posting after you hit 60, and especially after we warn you. If you post after a warning, that's a modkill as well. Everyone has known of the limit since pre-game, no excuses.
I'm almost inclined to agree with you, Oats. Almost. Yet I've seen how Trfel reacts to a mislynch, and this is certainly not it. Perhaps he is inactive for other reasons? If so, that's unfortunate, because I know he's fully capable of looking extremely town as town if he just posts and does his thing.
That and there has been enough push-back lol in its little nooks and crannies here and there.
Super Onegu You KSC wanting to focus on prplhz for so long robik even ritoky, to some extent
I wouldn't call 5 votes a landslide, by any means. I think that's enough to say the lynch isn't too easy. Do you have a better lynch to suggest?
KSC and Rayn focused on prp for valid reasons. I never gave any kind of reason before or after my vote on trefel so when Prp says that he understands where I am coming from, its not accurate at all.
Robik is a dirty liar but the mod confirmation is pretty damming.
I would actually lynch ritoky now, his push on rayn is really bad.
On February 28 2015 15:31 Oatsmaster wrote: I have no idea where Onegu's push comes from.
KSC and Rayn focused on prp for valid reasons. I never gave any kind of reason before or after my vote on trefel so when Prp says that he understands where I am coming from, its not accurate at all.
Robik is a dirty liar but the mod confirmation is pretty damming. I would actually lynch ritoky now, his push on rayn is really bad.
On February 28 2015 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: he is town what do you think?
the opposite as of now, I really liked his opening comment about making a read for the sake of making a read; but then I compared it to his previous game. he is less open with his opinions, doing less to actively solve the game, and his posts are shorter in length. I feel like he would care more about the lack of activity of most players if he were town.
The point is, the read is a meta read in which you put 0 fucking effort into explaining but just dump the filters in the thread and expect us to somehow come to the same conclusion as you.
On February 28 2015 15:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Read on KSC.
Whatever.
The point is, the read is a meta read in which you put 0 fucking effort into explaining but just dump the filters in the thread and expect us to somehow come to the same conclusion as you.
so your primary lynch read you can't even be bothered to have the proper info in your read about?
On February 28 2015 15:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Read on KSC.
Whatever.
The point is, the read is a meta read in which you put 0 fucking effort into explaining but just dump the filters in the thread and expect us to somehow come to the same conclusion as you.
so your primary lynch read you can't even be bothered to have the proper info in your read about?
how very town of you. /sarcasm
I generally don't lynch purely on meta (especially meta I'm unfamiliar with) cause lol...silly much?
You did explain it a little later as an overarching thing, scope of reads, etc. Is there anything particular in this game apart from the meta read that makes you think KSC is scum, ritoky?
On February 28 2015 15:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Read on KSC.
Whatever.
The point is, the read is a meta read in which you put 0 fucking effort into explaining but just dump the filters in the thread and expect us to somehow come to the same conclusion as you.
so your primary lynch read you can't even be bothered to have the proper info in your read about?
how very town of you. /sarcasm
I generally don't lynch purely on meta (especially meta I'm unfamiliar with) cause lol...silly much?
You did explain it a little later as an overarching thing, scope of reads, etc. Is there anything particular in this game apart from the meta read that makes you think KSC is scum, ritoky?
what do you think of oats trying to push a lynch on me without even having the right info?
I will respond to the ksc stuff in like 10 mins when I am on a real comp
On February 28 2015 15:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Read on KSC.
Whatever.
The point is, the read is a meta read in which you put 0 fucking effort into explaining but just dump the filters in the thread and expect us to somehow come to the same conclusion as you.
so your primary lynch read you can't even be bothered to have the proper info in your read about?
how very town of you. /sarcasm
I generally don't lynch purely on meta (especially meta I'm unfamiliar with) cause lol...silly much?
You did explain it a little later as an overarching thing, scope of reads, etc. Is there anything particular in this game apart from the meta read that makes you think KSC is scum, ritoky?
what do you think of oats trying to push a lynch on me without even having the right info?
I will respond to the ksc stuff in like 10 mins when I am on a real comp
mmmm I saw his point more when I thought he was actually talking about rayn lol ^^ that whole argument was kinda pointless and pissing contest-y (totally a new word yup yup)
you weren't as specific as I'd like you to be and it took a few prods to get it fully explained, but you did explain it. I don't think it matters much that his info was wrong unless when corrected he still clings to it stubbornly. being wrong isn't alignment-indicative
On February 28 2015 15:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Read on KSC.
Whatever.
The point is, the read is a meta read in which you put 0 fucking effort into explaining but just dump the filters in the thread and expect us to somehow come to the same conclusion as you.
so your primary lynch read you can't even be bothered to have the proper info in your read about?
how very town of you. /sarcasm
I generally don't lynch purely on meta (especially meta I'm unfamiliar with) cause lol...silly much?
You did explain it a little later as an overarching thing, scope of reads, etc. Is there anything particular in this game apart from the meta read that makes you think KSC is scum, ritoky?
Eh might be a bit longer than I thought to go grab examples. Basically I think his read on prp is a crappy version of the read I gave on LS last game where he referenced a conversation that never happened in the thread. Unfortunately in this case I find it to be a stretch compared to last time when it was very clear cut even though it just turned out to be LS making stuff up. His scope is also very narrow like it is during his scum games thus far. Dunno, am not impressed enough with him to move off of my meta read.
On February 28 2015 15:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Read on KSC.
Whatever.
The point is, the read is a meta read in which you put 0 fucking effort into explaining but just dump the filters in the thread and expect us to somehow come to the same conclusion as you.
so your primary lynch read you can't even be bothered to have the proper info in your read about?
how very town of you. /sarcasm
I generally don't lynch purely on meta (especially meta I'm unfamiliar with) cause lol...silly much?
You did explain it a little later as an overarching thing, scope of reads, etc. Is there anything particular in this game apart from the meta read that makes you think KSC is scum, ritoky?
Eh might be a bit longer than I thought to go grab examples. Basically I think his read on prp is a crappy version of the read I gave on LS last game where he referenced a conversation that never happened in the thread. Unfortunately in this case I find it to be a stretch compared to last time when it was very clear cut even though it just turned out to be LS making stuff up. His scope is also very narrow like it is during his scum games thus far. Dunno, am not impressed enough with him to move off of my meta read.
Okay. That's fair. Not based on meta, and entirely based on the fact that I truly believe Trfel is scum (not to mention that was the topic of the thread at the time) I found it strange that KSC chose to latch onto that particular detail regarding prp's post. I'm not prplhz...but a vote = scumread in most cases, or at least can be construed that way, so I didn't find what prplhz said all that strange.
That said, I don't know that it makes KSC scum. He could just genuinely see it as a contradiction, just like you still can't see that LS didn't actually make anything up last game lol >< I need to write an LS dictionary for y'all
KSC shitting up the thread over that, though, if Trfel flips scum would look decidedly more scummy.
On February 28 2015 17:36 Palmar wrote: Superbia is maffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffiiiiiiiiioooooooooooooooooossssssssszzzzzzoioiiiiiiiiiiioooooooooooo
On February 28 2015 17:36 Palmar wrote: Superbia is maffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffiiiiiiiiioooooooooooooooooossssssssszzzzzzoioiiiiiiiiiiioooooooooooo
Like all my townreads are clearly town. Robert is confirmed town because whenever a mod steps in with an irrelevant comment about someone's post that person is always town as people ARE going to make a read on it anyways. If Robert was mafia the co-host would not have said what he did because there is a possibility that someone makes a scumread on Robik out of the out-game comment of them, and mods do not wanna out who is mafia. That is ALWAYS it.
Trfel is mafia, it is quite clear at this point. He isn't doing anything, he hasn't got any reads.
Onego goes to the same boat, and he should have a townread on me by now. I dislike every post of his.
Oats focuses on irrelevant stuff and is not pushing anything for real. He is too passive and doesn't talk about the stuff i would expect him to. His ritoky comment was good but meh.. that's a fucking obvious conclusion about ritoky's terrible case. I am not sure if it makes ritoky mafia and i am torn on these two because i can't get a decent read on either of them. I'd say it's like 60/40 in favor of ritoky being scum, ritoky's latest posts were a bit better.
Palmar is clearly doing nothing and unfortunately that is not alignment indicative because he is Palmar. If he continues doing nothing and we can't find the last mafia just lynch the fuck outta him.
Slam's posting looks like town but because of the low quantity of his posts i can't tell for 100% sure. I actually read a lot of Slam game filters from past games yesterday because the second last game i misread him on D1 and that is something that should not happen. I kinda got it back again, i mean what makes him scum and what makes him town but i don't wanna out that yet. Leaning town on him anyways.
I got about 10 posts left and i am going to save them for tonight closer to the lynch, but this is where i stand at the moment.
The people of Liquidia against Superbia - The complete case -
The following case is written to both demonstrate the results of my investigations, in which I have concluded that superbia is mafia, and in order to convince anyone reading it that the correct action here is to lynch superbia.
I am going to explain using three main points why Superbia is mafia this game. I believe in concise cases and I do not think any further explanation beyond this case will be needed. Let us dive into it!
Point 1: Superbia pretends to be attempting to use meta in a completely unreasonable way
Twice in the game Superbia has asked for links to games, regarding something happening in this current thread.
Here's the first one:
On February 28 2015 09:50 Superbia wrote: Though, does anyone have any links to games with trefl in it besides the one he posted?
On February 28 2015 10:14 Superbia wrote: 1 between trfel and rso. Trfel's filter this game feels different from his mafia game filter, but only slightly. So meh. I can't even recount RSO's posts. So prob RSO.
The most glaring thing that is wrong with this is that apparently he spent 24 minutes reading and understanding a filter from a different game, while still reading (and complaining about reading) posts this game, and reaching a conclusion based on that. Notice that he does not in any way explain WHAT it is that differs between this game and the other he read, just that it is different, which is a very easy and cheap thing to say.
I really, really don't believe he actually read the filter in question and managed to reach a proper conclusion in this time.
I'm going to touch more on his "result" post in point 3.
The second instance:
On February 28 2015 10:14 Superbia wrote: Can someone link me to some of rayn's games? Especially ones where Palmar's playing as well.
Again, this is a very unreasonable way of looking at things, especially since rayn and I have played tons of games together and interacted very differently from one to another. Also, it seems like he never followed up on this, which is strange, as apparently this kind of filter comparison is something he highly values for analysis.
Point 2: Superbia opened this game trying to mimic his town game.
Opening last game Superbia did this:
On February 14 2015 18:22 Superbia wrote: I'm just going to go ahead and call someone mafia:
raynpelikoneet
On February 14 2015 18:24 Superbia wrote: It's fun and there's a decent chance I might be right. :D
While eventually incorrect, this was completely natural in the context of that game. rayn, at the time, was involved in a heavy argument with Robik that was, at least to me (but I was mafia), making Robik look good and rayn bad. rayn had posted a ton, and Superbia's semi-carefree read that was still based on something happening in the thread at the time looked very much like something a townie would do. I felt the need to townread him based on that, being mafia.
Compare it to this game:
On February 27 2015 08:54 Superbia wrote: Palmar
This was written much earlier in the thread, it was based on a single post from me wondering what activity levels I should use this game, and he never followed up on it. And the weird thing is that if my post somehow gave him scum-vibes, I have done absolutely nothing to alleviate them through my posting up until this point. But nonetheless, Superbia is happy with that similar action to his town game, and never even revisits it.
Point 3: Superbia's read progression on Trfel and Rsoultin
On February 28 2015 09:43 Superbia wrote: I'm not sure what is worse, trefl's horrible intro or rso's overly defensive response.
On February 28 2015 10:14 Superbia wrote: 1 between trfel and rso. Trfel's filter this game feels different from his mafia game filter, but only slightly. So meh. I can't even recount RSO's posts. So prob RSO.
Initially, this is how Superbia felt about them. The post that actually made me look into Superbia in the first place is actually the first one of these, where he claims to be unsure of which action is more scummy. He never actually reaches a conclusion on this, at least not where I can see, because he starts doing the meta thing instead.
The second post is really bad, because for no good reason whatsoever, he links their alignment together. This is never, ever a reasonable observation to make, but mafia really like making it because it gives them outs from every possible situation that the flips of said players might be, and if one or both of the players are town, the scum making the observation isn't really calling either of them mafia.
Of speciall notice is the fact that in the first post he calls Trfel's opening horrible, in the second he says Trfel's filter is only slightly different from his mafia filter without explaining in what way it differs, or why that particular difference is decisive on Trfel's alignment in his mind.
On February 28 2015 10:36 Superbia wrote: Can we get a second wagon onto RSO?
Uh maybe you can explain this 5m-meta-god-read-meta to the uninitated?
Trfel's town and mafia filter feel different. This game feels like his town filter.
And then this post pops up. There is a glaring problem here. The filter he previously called "only slightly different" from the mafia filter, now feels like his town filter. If the difference so small I wonder how accurate his read is?
I believe that in these three points I have demonstrated why Superbia must be mafia. I feel like individually each one of them is almost enough to condemn him, but combined it almost definitely makes him mafia.
I hope you will read my case throughly and apply your votes accordingly
Palmar i'll look into your case more closely after sauna.
On the first glance it looks good and now, reading Superbia's filter again, i honestly didn't even realize how nonsensical that looks. That being said i wanna do some research on that. One thing to note though, you saying him linking rsoultin & Trfel alignments together is not necessarily scummy. I mean, that's how i caught austin in the first place in Titanic III (when he made a conclusion of one of me & Coagulation having to be mafia from our argument at the start of the game). But surprise surprise, he did the same thing in the very next game... as town. I don't think that necessarily makes anyone mafia. But in the end, the conclusion and the way Superbia ends up on it in this game looks fake. Not necessarily for the reasons you presented but for the fact that rsoultin is like the towniest townie in this town and his meta comparison on Trfel is really bad because i myself did the same thing (looked at Trfel's past games) and ended up in the opposite conclusion.
I still want a Trfel lynch, in all honesty, because my reads on him I'm more confident of, but you won't see me shedding any tears over a Superbia lynch; I suspect he's mafia as well.
Lol I know it looks like I just think people calling me mafia are mafia, but something about his interaction with me felt really off. Apart from the "meta" read on Trfel not making any sense, the tone I was getting off Superbia's posts was rather sulky. Like "well, well, well...okay so those are good points but you're still mafia!" complete with stomping off and slamming the door heh.
Don't ask how my brain works. Sometimes I don't get it either -_-
That he hasn't explained his meta read on Trfel at all or demonstrated in any way why what I'm doing can only come from scum...(one of us must be scum, it isn't Trfel, and so it must be me? that's a weak argument). What's more strange is if he's going to use meta on Trfel, why isn't he using meta on me? lol Granted, I doubt he'd get it right anyway if this is an example of Superbia's meta reads.
I'm maybe ten pages behind in the thread, I'll reread everything. Let me know if you have any questions, since I was unexpectedly out all of yesterday afternoon/evening I don't think that I should be worried about my post count any more.
I do apologize for being away and not letting people know, my fault entirely.
I'm going to give where I'm at and then conserve my posts for nearer the deadline.
I actually think that the Trefl lynch is a great lynch right now. I didn't like his entry post , it seemed like he was just making a huge post and a read for the sake of it, probably aware that he gets town read for long posts. I can't remember who said that.
I also really like the arguments that rayn and Rsoultin have brought up against Trefl, I especially like the break down Sol gave about his scum motivation. I think this direct pressure and evaluation makes both rayn and Rsol both town.
Since his return he has just asked for people to ask him questions. but there is nothing from him at all.
I also think Palmar's case against Superbia is pretty good and plus palmar kind of sitting back, chilling, watching and then making the case feels like a town palmar. Last game I played he made weak case and was an imposing figure in the thread. I'd think Palmar is town.
I'm not sure on my prplhz scum read, like we were at loggerheads about things , his explanation does make some sense when I look back at things. The oats thing...still doesn't make any sense to me. but this case isn't as strong as the case as the one on trefl IMO.
I also think Oats could be scum. Like he had his trefl vote or whatever. But then he comes up with this sequence which makes no fucking sense to me.
On February 28 2015 14:50 Oatsmaster wrote: This trefel lynch is way too easy.
I don't think this is true, there have been really good cases made on trefl already and he hasn't done anything, plus like rsoultin said people have been looking elsewhere.
then he says this.
On February 28 2015 15:31 Oatsmaster wrote: I have no idea where Onegu's push comes from.
KSC and Rayn focused on prp for valid reasons. I never gave any kind of reason before or after my vote on trefel so when Prp says that he understands where I am coming from, its not accurate at all.
Robik is a dirty liar but the mod confirmation is pretty damming.
I would actually lynch ritoky now, his push on rayn is really bad.
Like so rayn and I are focused for a valid reason..I mean does this make us town I don't know if he said this but that is what I read from it, So like if myself, rayn and rsoul are the main proponents of they lynch and he likes the case how can it be "too easy" it seems like a really weak excuse not to vote trefl.
He has been looking around to get other lynches like
Prplhz , Superbia , Calling Rayn scum and It just seems like he is sniffing around to see who he can get lynched.
He also just says palmar is town, superbia scum despite not reading palmars case. that doesn't really make any sense to me.
I could lynch Ritoky I guess but that's just because of the case on me basically just dumping two games I played, one of the games he couldn't even get the name right, then saying "he is scum". Plus he has basically tried to construe everything I have done as mafia which feels stupid. Saying my push on prplhz makes me mafia, saying my "focusing" makes me mafia, again I don't really understand what he is talking about because he just dumps the links to games.
So yeh I'd lynch between. Trefl,Oats,Ritoky, prplhz
Mér þykir það helvíti gott að Kelsier telur mig vera einn af bæjarbúum og hrósar rannsóknarvinnu minni varðandi Superbia, en þrátt fyrir það sér hann enga ástæðu til að hengja manninn. Hann lýsir ásökunum mínum á hendur Superbia sem "nokkuð góðum" og talar ekki meira um sakborninginn eftir það.
Ég er ekki alveg viss hvað það þýðir, en mér þykir merkilegt að maður sem að bæði trúir því að ásakanir mínar séu réttmætar, og er einnig nokkuð viss um að ég sé ekki hluti af mafíunni, ákveði samt að þetta tvennt sé ekki meira virði en svo að rétt sé að hunsa það í lokaniðurstöðum hans um hvern sé rétt að hengja í dag.
Kannski hann hafi eitthvað slæmt í pokahorninu kallinn?
Lol thank god for google translate...and that KSC can also use the google
That wasn't a bad point, Palmar. Why don't you take a closer look at Super, KSC, and get a read on him? I'm quite curious what you think. Cause right now if Truffle starts bleeding town before EoD I'd probably switch to Super. I can easily see his "rsoul vs trfel" staging as a way to push two mislynches if Trfel is town by some miracle.
On February 28 2015 10:28 KelsierSC wrote: I'm not sure about trefo, I didn't like his entry, I really liked what rayn had to say about it as well. But its hard to see scum doing that, interrupting trolling to make that big post.
Nah, I disagree with that. He seems very aware of his own meta and filters. Trolling and lurking is not in his town playbook. Which is why I'm not entirely sure on RSO atm.
On February 28 2015 10:43 rsoultin wrote: Let's recap, shall we?
@1920... Trfel votes an Rsoul
My last post before this vote (1759):
On February 27 2015 08:59 rsoultin wrote:
On February 27 2015 08:45 IAmRobik wrote:
On February 27 2015 08:34 rsoultin wrote:
On February 27 2015 08:33 VayneAuthority wrote: metas are meant to be broken
like buildings
and people
a likely story
-rolls around the thread-
ritoky are you happy? you seem happy. should I be glad you're happy?
Silverarte: Hey Rsoul, why did you make this post? Rsoul: Oh, I don't know, because I like to post useless shit
Lol, hello pot. My name is kettle.
Oh wait, wait, there was a hidden message in your first five posts? -mindblown-
@2143... Trfel unvotes an Rsoul
My last post before this unvote (2133):
On February 27 2015 12:33 rsoultin wrote:
On February 27 2015 12:29 Oatsmaster wrote: palmar is absolutely a fucking lier but hes not scum.
You got that from his two ever-so-enlightening posts?
-bows to the Palmar!whisperer-
Still no post from Trfel in the thread. A half hour passes, and I go huh. Let's try something.
@2222... Rsoul votes a Trfel
@2233... Oats votes a Trfel (I commented on this vote, prplhz, which is probably where you got your impression from)
Low and behold, a magically appearing Trfel posts @23:05 + Show Spoiler +
On February 27 2015 14:05 Trfel wrote: Hi.
I'm going to head to sleep now, but I figured I would share some thoughts first.
First, this is obviously a post restricted game, and I intend to do my best to use my posts effectively. At times, this can mean communicating my thoughts through the voting thread (see my vote and later unvote on rsoultin). I feel that my reasons for both of these actions were obvious, though I do intend to explain.
My real question is, where does the nonsense end and the game start? I feel like there has been a lot more opening nonsense this game than in most, and this game is the one with post restrictions.
Here's the reasons for my suspicions of rsoultin.
I can understand wasting posts at the start of the game, but the post wasting continued for quite some time. Rsoultin's posts felt like they came later, more of as an afterthought, while it was after the point that nonsense posts had any value in at least starting the conversation. By the time rsoultin first posted, we had Robik wasting five posts, VayneAuthority voting for Oatsmaster, two vanilla town claims, and a cop claim. Plenty of random things to start the game, no more is needed. And then comes this wonderful post.
On February 27 2015 08:33 VayneAuthority wrote: metas are meant to be broken
like buildings
and people
a likely story
-rolls around the thread-
ritoky are you happy? you seem happy. should I be glad you're happy?
Rsoultin isn't saying anything at all here, and she isn't making a joke or an interesting comment. "Rolling around the thread" and discussing happiness feels a bit out of place, though I'm bad at tone reads. My point is that I expect rsoultin to be sensible enough to conserve posts to some degree, and I don't see that here. Thus, my vote communicated the simple message of "step it up and play the game". Rsoultin shared a small number of game-related thoughts, and I removed my vote for now.
I know that many people have made useless posts, I just think rsoultin looks more suspicious for it because she is sensible enough not to and she started doing so well after everyone else did. I am very interested to see where rsoultin goes from here.
Thoughts?
A riddle for you, KSC...now what could possibly be the scum motivation for that sequence? xP
@Superbia...why don't you read, lovely? "Overly defensive"? lol...I had five points, one of which was a half-defense/half-snark and the other four reasons that I thought the progression and Trfel's post were scummy.
Also, since this comes up every game...I work. I will be gone for big chunks of the day because of it. Deal with it.
What is the reason? I'm genuinely asking
You don't think it's at all strange that Trfel, who can be seen attempting to generate conversation and direct scumhunting in our newbie game together that just finished (all my games are in my profile for everyone's convenience), chose to vote and unvote in silence and only bothered to post or explain himself after two votes were on him?
His explanation for his behavior was weak, his follow-up post looked like cya to me, and now he's disappeared again...if any of you know Trfel or have played with him at all, tell me this looks like a town!Trfel to you with a straight face lol
You yourself stated in the obs chat that my leading town was outside of my normal play, don't make me dig up the quote. You know very well that I prefer to play a more backseat analyst role.
Maybe I vanished because real life came up? Maybe I went after you because I thought you were scum? Maybe I remember that in my game as mafia, you caught me on my second post for making a bad read? It would be the stupidest thing ever for me to make a "bad" read on you, since I figure you would probably notice?
On February 28 2015 10:43 rsoultin wrote: Let's recap, shall we?
@1920... Trfel votes an Rsoul
My last post before this vote (1759):
On February 27 2015 08:59 rsoultin wrote:
On February 27 2015 08:45 IAmRobik wrote:
On February 27 2015 08:34 rsoultin wrote:
On February 27 2015 08:33 VayneAuthority wrote: metas are meant to be broken
like buildings
and people
a likely story
-rolls around the thread-
ritoky are you happy? you seem happy. should I be glad you're happy?
Silverarte: Hey Rsoul, why did you make this post? Rsoul: Oh, I don't know, because I like to post useless shit
Lol, hello pot. My name is kettle.
Oh wait, wait, there was a hidden message in your first five posts? -mindblown-
@2143... Trfel unvotes an Rsoul
My last post before this unvote (2133):
On February 27 2015 12:33 rsoultin wrote:
On February 27 2015 12:29 Oatsmaster wrote: palmar is absolutely a fucking lier but hes not scum.
You got that from his two ever-so-enlightening posts?
-bows to the Palmar!whisperer-
Still no post from Trfel in the thread. A half hour passes, and I go huh. Let's try something.
@2222... Rsoul votes a Trfel
@2233... Oats votes a Trfel (I commented on this vote, prplhz, which is probably where you got your impression from)
Low and behold, a magically appearing Trfel posts @23:05 + Show Spoiler +
On February 27 2015 14:05 Trfel wrote: Hi.
I'm going to head to sleep now, but I figured I would share some thoughts first.
First, this is obviously a post restricted game, and I intend to do my best to use my posts effectively. At times, this can mean communicating my thoughts through the voting thread (see my vote and later unvote on rsoultin). I feel that my reasons for both of these actions were obvious, though I do intend to explain.
My real question is, where does the nonsense end and the game start? I feel like there has been a lot more opening nonsense this game than in most, and this game is the one with post restrictions.
Here's the reasons for my suspicions of rsoultin.
I can understand wasting posts at the start of the game, but the post wasting continued for quite some time. Rsoultin's posts felt like they came later, more of as an afterthought, while it was after the point that nonsense posts had any value in at least starting the conversation. By the time rsoultin first posted, we had Robik wasting five posts, VayneAuthority voting for Oatsmaster, two vanilla town claims, and a cop claim. Plenty of random things to start the game, no more is needed. And then comes this wonderful post.
On February 27 2015 08:33 VayneAuthority wrote: metas are meant to be broken
like buildings
and people
a likely story
-rolls around the thread-
ritoky are you happy? you seem happy. should I be glad you're happy?
Rsoultin isn't saying anything at all here, and she isn't making a joke or an interesting comment. "Rolling around the thread" and discussing happiness feels a bit out of place, though I'm bad at tone reads. My point is that I expect rsoultin to be sensible enough to conserve posts to some degree, and I don't see that here. Thus, my vote communicated the simple message of "step it up and play the game". Rsoultin shared a small number of game-related thoughts, and I removed my vote for now.
I know that many people have made useless posts, I just think rsoultin looks more suspicious for it because she is sensible enough not to and she started doing so well after everyone else did. I am very interested to see where rsoultin goes from here.
Thoughts?
A riddle for you, KSC...now what could possibly be the scum motivation for that sequence? xP
@Superbia...why don't you read, lovely? "Overly defensive"? lol...I had five points, one of which was a half-defense/half-snark and the other four reasons that I thought the progression and Trfel's post were scummy.
Also, since this comes up every game...I work. I will be gone for big chunks of the day because of it. Deal with it.
What is the reason? I'm genuinely asking
You don't think it's at all strange that Trfel, who can be seen attempting to generate conversation and direct scumhunting in our newbie game together that just finished (all my games are in my profile for everyone's convenience), chose to vote and unvote in silence and only bothered to post or explain himself after two votes were on him?
His explanation for his behavior was weak, his follow-up post looked like cya to me, and now he's disappeared again...if any of you know Trfel or have played with him at all, tell me this looks like a town!Trfel to you with a straight face lol
You yourself stated in the obs chat that my leading town was outside of my normal play, don't make me dig up the quote. You know very well that I prefer to play a more backseat analyst role.
Maybe I vanished because real life came up? Maybe I went after you because I thought you were scum? Maybe I remember that in my game as mafia, you caught me on my second post for making a bad read? It would be the stupidest thing ever for me to make a "bad" read on you, since I figure you would probably notice?
On February 28 2015 10:43 rsoultin wrote: Let's recap, shall we?
@1920... Trfel votes an Rsoul
My last post before this vote (1759):
On February 27 2015 08:59 rsoultin wrote:
On February 27 2015 08:45 IAmRobik wrote:
On February 27 2015 08:34 rsoultin wrote:
On February 27 2015 08:33 VayneAuthority wrote: metas are meant to be broken
like buildings
and people
a likely story
-rolls around the thread-
ritoky are you happy? you seem happy. should I be glad you're happy?
Silverarte: Hey Rsoul, why did you make this post? Rsoul: Oh, I don't know, because I like to post useless shit
Lol, hello pot. My name is kettle.
Oh wait, wait, there was a hidden message in your first five posts? -mindblown-
@2143... Trfel unvotes an Rsoul
My last post before this unvote (2133):
On February 27 2015 12:33 rsoultin wrote:
On February 27 2015 12:29 Oatsmaster wrote: palmar is absolutely a fucking lier but hes not scum.
You got that from his two ever-so-enlightening posts?
-bows to the Palmar!whisperer-
Still no post from Trfel in the thread. A half hour passes, and I go huh. Let's try something.
@2222... Rsoul votes a Trfel
@2233... Oats votes a Trfel (I commented on this vote, prplhz, which is probably where you got your impression from)
Low and behold, a magically appearing Trfel posts @23:05 + Show Spoiler +
On February 27 2015 14:05 Trfel wrote: Hi.
I'm going to head to sleep now, but I figured I would share some thoughts first.
First, this is obviously a post restricted game, and I intend to do my best to use my posts effectively. At times, this can mean communicating my thoughts through the voting thread (see my vote and later unvote on rsoultin). I feel that my reasons for both of these actions were obvious, though I do intend to explain.
My real question is, where does the nonsense end and the game start? I feel like there has been a lot more opening nonsense this game than in most, and this game is the one with post restrictions.
Here's the reasons for my suspicions of rsoultin.
I can understand wasting posts at the start of the game, but the post wasting continued for quite some time. Rsoultin's posts felt like they came later, more of as an afterthought, while it was after the point that nonsense posts had any value in at least starting the conversation. By the time rsoultin first posted, we had Robik wasting five posts, VayneAuthority voting for Oatsmaster, two vanilla town claims, and a cop claim. Plenty of random things to start the game, no more is needed. And then comes this wonderful post.
On February 27 2015 08:33 VayneAuthority wrote: metas are meant to be broken
like buildings
and people
a likely story
-rolls around the thread-
ritoky are you happy? you seem happy. should I be glad you're happy?
Rsoultin isn't saying anything at all here, and she isn't making a joke or an interesting comment. "Rolling around the thread" and discussing happiness feels a bit out of place, though I'm bad at tone reads. My point is that I expect rsoultin to be sensible enough to conserve posts to some degree, and I don't see that here. Thus, my vote communicated the simple message of "step it up and play the game". Rsoultin shared a small number of game-related thoughts, and I removed my vote for now.
I know that many people have made useless posts, I just think rsoultin looks more suspicious for it because she is sensible enough not to and she started doing so well after everyone else did. I am very interested to see where rsoultin goes from here.
Thoughts?
A riddle for you, KSC...now what could possibly be the scum motivation for that sequence? xP
@Superbia...why don't you read, lovely? "Overly defensive"? lol...I had five points, one of which was a half-defense/half-snark and the other four reasons that I thought the progression and Trfel's post were scummy.
Also, since this comes up every game...I work. I will be gone for big chunks of the day because of it. Deal with it.
What is the reason? I'm genuinely asking
You don't think it's at all strange that Trfel, who can be seen attempting to generate conversation and direct scumhunting in our newbie game together that just finished (all my games are in my profile for everyone's convenience), chose to vote and unvote in silence and only bothered to post or explain himself after two votes were on him?
His explanation for his behavior was weak, his follow-up post looked like cya to me, and now he's disappeared again...if any of you know Trfel or have played with him at all, tell me this looks like a town!Trfel to you with a straight face lol
You yourself stated in the obs chat that my leading town was outside of my normal play, don't make me dig up the quote. You know very well that I prefer to play a more backseat analyst role.
Maybe I vanished because real life came up? Maybe I went after you because I thought you were scum? Maybe I remember that in my game as mafia, you caught me on my second post for making a bad read? It would be the stupidest thing ever for me to make a "bad" read on you, since I figure you would probably notice?
What you demonstrated last game, Truffle-wuffle, was that when the thread wasn't going in the direction you thought that it should be, you stepped up and tried to guide it in the right direction. You complained about trolling and wasting posts in a post-restricted game, yet just silently voted a random person instead of trying to provide that direction.
I've never said it's impossible that you're town, and I've even mentioned that one of my reservations (albeit WIFOM) is that it seems dumb to target me and gain my attention after your first scum game...that said, your first post was a justification for the silent voting you were being voted for. At which point you had to take a stance on me and it definitely couldn't be "town". So -shrugs-
After consulting with a more experienced host this morning and returning to thread, I've decided to modkill Robik for the behaviour-based confirmation. (Robik, check your PM as well.) I realise not everyone was buying the behaviour based confirmation argument for his alignment but that was irrelevant in any case.
As it was a host error, there will obviously be no further action. I regret that it has come to this.
As such:
IAmRobik, the restaurateur (Veteran) has gone into early retirement.
That said, no discussion of modkills until post-game. Carry on.
On March 01 2015 03:51 KelsierSC wrote: Does anyone have anything to say on my oats stuff?
It seemed solid to me when you presented it? I don't know that I'd vote him, though...I really just have a tough time reading him in general. He has a way of seeming quite logical to me in his explanations after the fact and I really do have a weakness for logical explanations lol ><
But yeah I totally did feel that the "this is too easy" post was unwarranted, and scumreading someone after saying their accusations were valid seems contradictory. You're right about that.
On March 01 2015 04:04 KelsierSC wrote: Fine I'm mafia alongside Va and onegu.
Endgame now
lol srsly? I kinda thought Trfel is not scum for a moment but never got to that point yet. Onegu was scum because if he was town why would no scum push him (aside from other reasons)?
I am restarting and re-rolling the game with the current players on the roster. I will outline what needs to happen.
1 I need all players (including Robik) to reconfirm whether they want in for the re-roll/restart. Simply do so by typing /confirm. 2 I will restart when I receive all 13 confirms, otherwise I will replace accordingly with the aim of starting D1 again tonight at 23:00 GMT (+00:00) or about 3.5h from now.
I think town was actually doing pretty well this game, if you ignore trfel and myself tunneling each other lol >> trfel if you start scumreading me every game cause you think I look town in my scum games i'm going to put you in the time-out corner with my brother >> y'all can keep each other company while he grins his big shit-eating grin at you >>
for the record this is really an annoying concept because i can't interact with people like i usually do. so i am a bit lost. and it annoys me. maybe never gonna play a game like this again (post restrictions). It's just dumb because you prvent town using one of it's weapons -- which is figuring out shit.
On March 01 2015 04:46 rsoultin wrote: trfel if you start scumreading me every game cause you think I look town in my scum games i'm going to put you in the time-out corner with my brother >> y'all can keep each other company while he grins his big shit-eating grin at you >>
Please no, after Newbie Mafia that is equivalent to a death sentence.....
On March 01 2015 04:52 rsoultin wrote: we'll never know if super would have been lynched today...the possibility is good though I think ^^
I already made a post in the voting thread to change my vote. Then i just held it off to later. I am pretty sure he would have gotten lynched as Trfel made a townie post.
On March 01 2015 04:52 rsoultin wrote: we'll never know if super would have been lynched today...the possibility is good though I think ^^
I already made a post in the voting thread to change my vote. Then i just held it off to later. I am pretty sure he would have gotten lynched as Trfel made a townie post.
With that case against Superbia, I'm pretty confident that I would have avoided being lynched once I started actually providing reads.
Well, I had it in my newbie game >> but confession time >> I was sooooo handicapping myself so it wasn't obvious I was scum in Titanic lol >> for HtS' benefit
On March 01 2015 04:58 rsoultin wrote: why no push case palmar o.0 it wasn't all like SUPER WONDERFUL AMAZING
but it was more than good enough for a day 1 read ^^
actually it was super wonderful amazing.
Yes it was. I could not find any meta-reference in a way or another so i decided you are right and i am gonna sheep you. My last question in thread was just to find out more evidence.
One of the best cases i have ever read on D1, gratz man.
Dota players, in the meantime I tried adding you (Superbia check your PM) - it just keeps refreshing the page instead of letting me add you. Bloody steam...
On March 01 2015 05:51 Half the Sky wrote: Dota players, in the meantime I tried adding you (Superbia check your PM) - it just keeps refreshing the page instead of letting me add you. Bloody steam...
We have two more that haven't confirmed for tonight (if we start in 40 mins) besides yourself, and Oats is unlikely to be up for a few more hours. May need to push it back one more day, but by then there will either be a replacement or it gets started Sunday night in a new thread.
On March 01 2015 07:22 Half the Sky wrote: We have two more that haven't confirmed for tonight (if we start in 40 mins) besides yourself, and Oats is unlikely to be up for a few more hours. May need to push it back one more day, but by then there will either be a replacement or it gets started Sunday night in a new thread.
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