EPTVII Titanic Mini Mafia: I Have a Cunning Plan...
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On February 13 2015 11:10 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Gonna start in about 27 hours, I need to schedule around a hackathon I'll be overnighting at Saturday-Sunday. nice i'm going to listen to your album in the meantime | ||
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I think VA has been pretty scummy so far. He opened up with his joke about getting town every titanic game, then his comment to HTS was kind of forced to me, like an over justification almost. Then he makes a comment that he is active around that time. On February 14 2015 14:42 VayneAuthority wrote: you could also confirm that this is my posting window as it is late night here on the east coast, where I do most of my computer time. just happens to be a good starting time for me lol Yet after the RNG comes up he just turtles up and makes his joke again about always rolling town. This kind of feels like a game I had where mafia got RNG'd day 1 and they just made a joke and then AFK'd hoping to go under the radar. Apart from that I don't have a major mafia read at this time. As for town I think lian court is likely town, He has another kind of d1 early "fuck lynch this guy" which was how he was last game I played with him. Plus he like justified pretty hard his reasons for a VA vote but then later on straight switched to FF with a very short reason. On February 14 2015 16:14 liancourt wrote: FF is playing as if he cares. It's a town tell so...he's mafia. FF might actually be mafia. ##unvote ##vote FF I feel like mafia would be more careful about their appearance and wouldn't be so jumpy so yeh lian is my biggest town so far | ||
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On February 15 2015 01:25 Half the Sky wrote: Sure. I'm leaning town on Kelsier for now. I have played with Kels as both town and scum. When he is town, he generally focuses on a few people at a time and takes sharper, more critical looks at the quotes. The one scum game I played with him was in Carol, and I recall him adding a lot of people to his town circle almost too easily. He appeared to be making a lot of generalisations on both his town and scumreads (as in not as well supported) when he was scum. His post on VA, even if it's not accurate, reads like his town games. Liancourt...I have yet to play with him as scum. He's going to be difficult for me to read, because he has his "chosen metas" in the 3-4 games I've had with him. On this game alone, he appears to have sheeped the reasons for calling FF scum. I also don't like his reasons or him mentioning that he's going to policy lynch either of VA or Palmar when he's seen those two play the way they have respectively (not doing anything and in Palmar's case, trolling) and then he's still willing to vote someone that still very likely could roll town. I specifically find this quote confusing. The "didn't meet expectations" part indicates VA should be getting read as town based on his meta, so I'm wondering why he's willing to lynch VA when he's already implicitly acknowledged where VA's read should be putting him. So I am also leaning scum on Lian. (Continuing to Sup, and VA...) I don't think you should really be leaning town on me honestly, I haven't taken a particularly sharp look at any quotes I just had my early read on VA because I didn't like how he handled the RNG. Also after the carol game it was fairly clear that just randomly calling everyone town is a horrible mafia strategy so I would never do that again as either alignment. Either way I don't like your town read of me at all at this point. Also my post on VA wasn't inaccurate. | ||
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I'm going togive my thoughts on the significant things in the thread. The HTS miller claim and subsequent play - I'm not sure of how the mechanics of a miller work out and whether or not the claim was correct however it is believable that marv mentioned something to her, a quote or something would be useful, and it is in the interest of newer players to take the advice of veterans such as marv. Since that point she has been putting input into all parts of the thread and asking a lot of questions, in my opinion some of the questions felt fluffy but it is possible that after claiming a miller role she felt she had to be a town leader and drive discussion onwards, this would also explain why she gave out lots of early reads as she felt her voice needed to be out there. For that reason I think that the miller claim was from a town perspective. The RNG on VA - I gave my thoughts on this, A lot of people have brought up that VA is lurky d1 , however the game I was in was FFL mafia, ObviousOne got RNG'd, made a joke and then AFK'd. This felt reminiscent of that so he was my early mafia read. He is a lurky player apparently so this isn't a particularly strong read I also like this post he made on BH. On February 15 2015 09:29 VayneAuthority wrote: rayn when you read this tell me how similar you find BH to his persona as Old Partner in golden sun. when I read his posts I feel like he is talking to other people and having a laugh. Reminds me of that game with how forced he is pushing this agenda with these long awful posts This is how I feel about BH at the moment. He had his RNG fun and pushed maths at us. Then again he pushed mechanics with his "lets consolidate wagons." But his solution is just to go back to his RNG lynch. I don't see any game solving or mind blowing posts despite their long length so I think BH could be scum here. Puppy's scum read on me - I really disliked his early game, he gives a lot of soft town reads. For example On February 15 2015 03:17 Town Puppy wrote: ugh Also this guy is town because his filter is already longer than it was after one cycle of play in Imperial. Using imperial d1 as any sort of basis is silly because that was on NYE and activity was very skewed, (like yesterday for me). I think it likely that superbia could be scum However it is possible that Puppy is not intelligent so maybe he is just a town that loves giving soft town reads and weak mafia cases, it is d1 no mafia case can be that strong but it is an interesting discussion point. I look at the people who agreed with the case - Breshke, prphz and liancourt. I still feel like liancourt is town, I think his wild switch onto FF felt town, he has also been pretty bloodthirsty and not really giving a fuck about his image. Breshke has been defending a lot of people, I think a common mafia tactic is to defend a lot of town but this will come back and bite him later if he is scum and he has no one left to lynch. I think prphz is the person I want to focus on the most here. On February 14 2015 23:15 prplhz wrote: no i rolled mafia so please help me with the blue hunting. for realsies? why these players? Sort of weak early questions, no real direction to them. On February 15 2015 00:26 prplhz wrote: does anybody know what's going on in this thread Going through his filter I get the impression of a lot of 'traffic directing' He makes posts along the lines of "this discussion isn't useful" or "you need to get in here and play" Yet despite all of this he has made no impact into the game. On February 15 2015 00:54 prplhz wrote: @Alakaslam can anybody on this forum actually read you and who would that person be? On February 15 2015 00:57 prplhz wrote: could you please outline why i should think palmar is top town On February 15 2015 03:45 prplhz wrote: hey puppy! what do you think about fecalfeast? more questions that don't have any follow up to them On February 15 2015 03:53 prplhz wrote: it's saturday night where is everybody if not at their computers playing mafia On February 15 2015 09:41 prplhz wrote: i have a question are you not aware the the bullshitting phase of this game is long over? more traffic direction but no substance given. And finally at the end of all that On February 15 2015 10:58 prplhz wrote: I can get aboard a KelsierSC lynch. ##Vote KelsierSC He hasn't followed up on any questions, just tried to appear town by traffic directing and then throws a random vote on me. So at this point I have 4 people I think could be scum BH,prplhz, VA maybe Super maybe. As for people I have as town right now. Liancourt,HTS,palmar,rayn, rsolutin and Breshke for now. TLDR - hts miller was town, va rng his reaction was poor but he lurks as town so not indicative apparently, BH has been hiding behind mechanics and still trying to push his va nonsense eden case on me was weak but he may be stupid. of the people jumping on the case prplhz seems scummy to me. Breshke has defended a lot of people So i'm generally caught up and going to do a bit more digging. Feel free to ask me questions about specific people. I earned a lot of brownie points yesterday so I can be at my computer a lot more. | ||
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Also it depends on what reasons rayn was townreading you for initially | ||
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Now I admit i dont have a veteran perspective on this but if he really likes the prplhz quote, which it is clear he does then i font think there is an issue with him retracting his town read. Does he actually call you scum though? Either way i dont think your case on rayn is good. He seems town to me. | ||
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On February 15 2015 19:26 Fecalfeast wrote: Im drunk and palmar is smart [B]##vote rayn[b] Can you go into more detail on what you like about palmar's case. | ||
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On February 15 2015 19:31 Palmar wrote: Yes but he later confirmed in his list post that he actually thinks I'm town. There is literally no reason for rayn to doubt I'm town at this point, the fact that I didn't try to bury him regarding the hts/robik stuff should basically give him such a strong townread on me that there is no reason to doubt it, especially the fact that I may or may not read OPs yeh don't get me wrong I believe that the case from prphlz against you was poor. But again I don't know why rayn was townreading you specifically and your case on him being scum is relying , in part, on him having strong reasons to townread you. It might be the case that rayn had just a "feel" from you but he really liked prplhz case. If that is the truth then your reason to scumread him looks kind of loose. | ||
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On February 15 2015 19:38 Palmar wrote: And I want to reiterate, while not quite marv level, rayn should at this point at least be heavily leaning town on me. Like you're assuming he has no read on me when that almost cannot be true. Go read the interaction between robik and rayn regarding hts, and then between me and rayn when I call him out about it and he ends up calling me town. tinfoil hat even says that rayn may have wanted to shut me down looking into him by trying to get me to work with him based on a "yolo-read". I think my problem is that to me it seems your case is based on the assumptions rather than me making the assumption. I just read the filter looking for his reasons to town read you and I don't see any strong ones, I saw rayn calling you town for "semi yolo reasons" To me, it seems you are the ones making assumptions by saying rayn had a strong town read on you when I don't see the evidence for that. | ||
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On February 15 2015 19:40 Palmar wrote: when I say assume he has no read, I mean that you think his read on me is way weaker than it should be. But that's also not the main point. The main point is he drops his townread on me which was based on stuff I actually posted and looked really town, based on some random point about whether or not I read OPs. I read OPs just as little when I'm mafia as when I'm town. I'm even inclined to think it's more likely I'd hide behind that as mafia (see how I eventually ended up reading it quite extensively in that pyp game) because it's an easy out. perhaps, I don't know the history between you and rayn so I am just working off the evidence I see in this game. The case regarding the OP's is terrible though. | ||
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I still don't know if I would qualify that from rayn as having you as "strong" town read, it is possible.it is also possible that HE really believes the case from prplhz against you and if I take it from his perspective then it is believable he can retract a town read on you. I don't really agree with your case palmar sorry | ||
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On February 15 2015 19:52 Palmar wrote: Well if the case regarding the OPs is terrible, why do you think rayn dropped me on his mafia -> town scale for it? So your conclusion is that rayn is just bad and town? No I think rayn is a good player. My conclusion is that people have their own metrics for town/scum reading people. I don't know you that well, I think you have been pretty towny so far and so someone calling you mafia for reading an OP looks stupid to me. However maybe rayn knows you better / puts more faith in that meta read , so he can believe that case against you. | ||
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On February 15 2015 19:56 Palmar wrote: like the best defense of rayn is that there is a guy in the thread (ksc) who made one giant post with the conclusion that 4 different people might possibly be mafia and then has spent the rest of his efforts randomly defending rayn instead of pushing any of his own ideas. well if you read my post more carefully I give my thought on everything that was significant to me and also give my thoughts on people who I think are town. The next thing that happened after my post, was you making your case on rayn, I don't think it is "random" if I want to discuss your case. I'm sorry that I cared about what you posted I guess. In my post I made a pretty clear case on prplhz and I wanted people to discuss that and we can do so now. Or you can read Superbia more thoroughly and give your case on him. I would also like FF to respond to my question on specifically, why he thinks your case is good. | ||
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On February 16 2015 00:03 Palmar wrote: I don't know, it's still weekend and I'm only semi-caught up with everything. I thought Robik looked good in the exchange regarding HTS with rayn, and he also townread me correctly, although he might of course do that as both alignments. Still, the read feels very much like a "robik-read" (he read me town last game for posting 4 times in a row, because magic). So I think he is town. Ksc could be mafia, I just pointed out how he didn't follow up on his very inconclusive big post by talking about something different entirely, then I left the thread and he just happened to do the same. Like I just don't get the feeling he's particularly interested in pushing prplhz or anyone else from his big post. FF idk, he's just here, but at least he's sheeping me... so there's that? prplhz could be town? I don't know, but I didn't get the feeling he was trying to call me mafia for reading the OP, he just pointed out that it was strange behavior for Palmar to do that. So many people though that I have very little opinion on, mostly because I haven't been here all that much. Btw, the fact that rayn hasn't come back to the thread might be indicative that I'm right, basically clam up marv-style (which is actually a good move if you're mafia. No confirming more townies and no giving up teammates). Also his weird trap thing where he asked me if I knew why he thought Ksc was mafia has gone on for way too long. This is more meta and less strong than my main point, but if I thought someone is mafia (like rayn seems to think with ksc) I could hardly shut up about it. Waiting like 24 hours for some random person in the game to give his opinion on it seems way overkill. I'd be convincing other people by that time. I posted my post, that listed 2 potential mafia, and 2 scum leans along with several town, hardly inconclusive. You then posted about rayn. I engaged with you about rayn, this is hardly random is it. Once we had that discussion I invited you to talk about the things in my post and you didn't respond to me. | ||
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