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Trfel
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On February 26 2015 11:52 Half the Sky wrote: LOL please, someone of my caliber should take what they can get XDI swear is there anyone here in TL other than myself that does not (or never has) played SC2? >_< We need more Dota players around here....  Trfel I have you posted for a shadow. Although someone of your calibre should play and show some of the vets who is boss <3 | ||
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Wasn't expecting this to start so quickly. I have to fail an exam, so I'll be late for the start of this game. I guess someone else can take the responsibility of wasting their first few posts. | ||
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I'm going to head to sleep now, but I figured I would share some thoughts first. First, this is obviously a post restricted game, and I intend to do my best to use my posts effectively. At times, this can mean communicating my thoughts through the voting thread (see my vote and later unvote on rsoultin). I feel that my reasons for both of these actions were obvious, though I do intend to explain. My real question is, where does the nonsense end and the game start? I feel like there has been a lot more opening nonsense this game than in most, and this game is the one with post restrictions. Here's the reasons for my suspicions of rsoultin. I can understand wasting posts at the start of the game, but the post wasting continued for quite some time. Rsoultin's posts felt like they came later, more of as an afterthought, while it was after the point that nonsense posts had any value in at least starting the conversation. By the time rsoultin first posted, we had Robik wasting five posts, VayneAuthority voting for Oatsmaster, two vanilla town claims, and a cop claim. Plenty of random things to start the game, no more is needed. And then comes this wonderful post. On February 27 2015 08:34 rsoultin wrote: Rsoultin isn't saying anything at all here, and she isn't making a joke or an interesting comment. "Rolling around the thread" and discussing happiness feels a bit out of place, though I'm bad at tone reads. My point is that I expect rsoultin to be sensible enough to conserve posts to some degree, and I don't see that here. Thus, my vote communicated the simple message of "step it up and play the game". Rsoultin shared a small number of game-related thoughts, and I removed my vote for now.a likely story -rolls around the thread- ritoky are you happy? you seem happy. should I be glad you're happy? I know that many people have made useless posts, I just think rsoultin looks more suspicious for it because she is sensible enough not to and she started doing so well after everyone else did. I am very interested to see where rsoultin goes from here. Thoughts? | ||
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My voting had two goals: pressure rsoultin into playing the game properly, and provide something serious for people to talk about. I believe that both goals have been met. My first post was somewhat ambiguously worded. This was intentional, to get an additional read on rsoultin. I generally doubt my reads a ton, and rsoultin is aware of this: On February 18 2015 08:59 rsoultin wrote: However, rsoultin responds as follows:If this is Truffle's scum game, he's improved by a mile. So I doubt it is. The work he's been putting in is classic town!Trfel, and he's also normally riddled with doubts. The naysayer, if you will, even on his own cases xP On February 27 2015 14:26 rsoultin wrote: Sarcastic and dismissive. This is what I would expect from mafia!rsoultin who sees a weakly worded suspicion of her. In contrast, I do not know specifically what town!rsoultin would do in this situation, but I don't think she would directly attack my suspicions. That is the easy way out, but town!rsoultin knows better.Truffle's post: + Show Spoiler + On February 27 2015 14:05 Trfel wrote: Hi. I'm going to head to sleep now, but I figured I would share some thoughts first. First, this is obviously a post restricted game, and I intend to do my best to use my posts effectively. At times, this can mean communicating my thoughts through the voting thread (see my vote and later unvote on rsoultin). I feel that my reasons for both of these actions were obvious, though I do intend to explain. My real question is, where does the nonsense end and the game start? I feel like there has been a lot more opening nonsense this game than in most, and this game is the one with post restrictions. Here's the reasons for my suspicions of rsoultin. I can understand wasting posts at the start of the game, but the post wasting continued for quite some time. Rsoultin's posts felt like they came later, more of as an afterthought, while it was after the point that nonsense posts had any value in at least starting the conversation. By the time rsoultin first posted, we had Robik wasting five posts, VayneAuthority voting for Oatsmaster, two vanilla town claims, and a cop claim. Plenty of random things to start the game, no more is needed. And then comes this wonderful post.Rsoultin isn't saying anything at all here, and she isn't making a joke or an interesting comment. "Rolling around the thread" and discussing happiness feels a bit out of place, though I'm bad at tone reads. My point is that I expect rsoultin to be sensible enough to conserve posts to some degree, and I don't see that here. Thus, my vote communicated the simple message of "step it up and play the game". Rsoultin shared a small number of game-related thoughts, and I removed my vote for now. I know that many people have made useless posts, I just think rsoultin looks more suspicious for it because she is sensible enough not to and she started doing so well after everyone else did. I am very interested to see where rsoultin goes from here. Thoughts? First: lamesauce. There was perhaps one post since I entered the thread that didn't have a particular purpose, and newsflash: the one you quoted wasn't it. I'm not going to translate myself for y'all, but you're free to ask me what I'm on about if you like. That's the more townie way of going about things  Second: Out of all the things going on in the thread, this is what you choose to talk about? Third: 60 posts a day phase. 60. You can't take two for votes and unvotes? You have to wait for Oats and I to vote you first before you can be bothered to explain yourself, instead thinking we'll read your mind? lol that's rich Fourth: Don't think I'm not aware that you're scared of me catching you when you roll scum. My Trfel BS-dar is particularly good So you going out of your way not to say a word is very suspicious Truffle-wuffle.Fifth: If you don't like the direction of the thread, shouldn't you be in here guiding it rather than lurking and casting votes without explanations? You know, that other townie thing players do as town? Conclusion: I like my vote where it stands right now ^^ If you can't figure out why people would want to know how you arrived at your reads (here's a clue: it has to do with determining alignments for two players) then there's no hope for you, Oats xP While the points that rsoultin makes are all true, rsoultin knows how I play better than this, so I don't think that town!rsoultin would respond in this manner. Yes, it's a meta read, but rsoultin has played in almost all, if not all, of the games that I have played in. I'm not saying that I am upset that people have been spamming and wasting posts. I don't have any control of how anyone chooses to use their posts. My point is that after the very start of the game, wasting posts has a mafia motivation of appearing active, creating confusion, and more quickly hitting the post limit so you "can't" provide thoughts later in the game. And after the foundation of wasted posts has been set, further wasted posts have only the potential town motivation of posting for the sake of posting. Based on what I know of rsoultin's play, and how rsoultin was one of the later players to start wasting a moderate number of posts, I feel that the way rsoultin wasted posts was suspicious while I don't feel the same for other players. However, looking at rsoultin's play after this post, she seems to have begun actually playing the game. And this is another reason for me to unvote. In my last game, I eventually lost town the game at 3 player LYLO because I was twice tunneled on town targets and failed to see the bigger picture. Even though I am suspicious of rsoultin here, it is very possible that she is town, and I refuse to let myself tunnel someone to death when it is avoidable. Therefore, I leave a moderate suspicion of rsoultin, and will carefully watch what she does when she plays the game more seriously. | ||
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On February 28 2015 01:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is, you can find it here.Trfel is there a game on TL you have played as mafia and if there is where can i find it? | ||
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On February 28 2015 01:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not saying anything about my own alignment. What I am saying is that I am moderately suspicious of rsoultin, and I am explaining why I feel this way.The problem Trfel is, as town you have reads, as mafia you don't. Like here, now, you have said the same thing two times and both of the times the post says "i did something to poke rsoultin to get an alignment indicative reaction form her, but i don't know if what she said is scummy or not". You point out a lot stuff that in your opinion is scummy, but they do not end up in a scumread, in fact they don't end up in any kind of read and tbh this part of your post: .. is what mafia says when they are caught. You are literally saying "i did a scummy thing and noone should call me scum for it because it was intentional". I suppose I ought to ask, what exactly would you consider to be a scumread? I've generally only used the term for people I would be relatively happy to lynch at that very moment, and it would be silly for me to apply that level of certainty to a read less than halfway through Day 1. Comparing KelsierSC's play in this game to his town play in VII Titanic and his scum play in Carol of the Bells, I would give KelsierSC a slight town read this game. | ||
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On February 28 2015 01:54 Oatsmaster wrote: There is nothing this game that rsoultin has done that is townie so far. I am sure I did not say that anything that rsoultin has done is townie.yeah pretty much trefel says, Rsoul is scummy but townie at the same time. And the meta read is like super weird. The reason why I voted trefel is because rsoul voted trefel and I was like, WHY NOT!?? What I am saying is that there is still a distinct possibility that rsoultin is town, and therefore I do not have an extremely confident read less than halfway through Day 1. I am suspicious of rsoultin because of the meta read that I provided. I believe that is rather clear. | ||
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My opening post was not entirely a reaction test. The wording slightly served that purpose, but it still communicated the point that I was suspicious of rsoultin and showed why I was doing so. My story has never changed in the slightest. As for the reaction itself, I already showed why I see it as being more likely to come from mafia!rsoultin than town!rsoultin. And I clearly stated that. I knew what I was looking for as I made the post, and I found it, and I have a conclusion. That does not mean that I have 100% confidence in my conclusion, but it is something else to use. I do not understand why everyone seems to expect 100% confidence in my reads. On February 28 2015 02:02 Oatsmaster wrote: This post is nonsense. First, the portion of my post that you quoted is not at all relevant to the comments after. Second, yet again I discussed this point very clearly. Allow me to quote myself:Why would mafia rsoultin make that post? I dont see any evidence in your previous post except that "she will do this as mafia because she knows better as town" Thats not evidence, thats not even a meta read. On February 28 2015 00:57 Trfel wrote: My point is that after the very start of the game, wasting posts has a mafia motivation of appearing active, creating confusion, and more quickly hitting the post limit so you "can't" provide thoughts later in the game. And after the foundation of wasted posts has been set, further wasted posts have only the potential town motivation of posting for the sake of posting. I have made a consistent point throughout all of my posts. I often suffer from not being clear enough in my reads, and this game is no exception. By this point, I have made my stance and my reasoning extremely clear. I don't necessarily expect people to agree with me, but I do expect people to read what I am saying, which would show a clear stance on rsoultin across all of my posts. | ||
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On February 28 2015 02:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Nobody is expecting 100% confidence but your job as town is to lynch mafia and you are not even voting foryour only scumread in the game. You have said you think she is scummy but your posting doesn't really follow that thought because every other sentence is basically "she could be town aswell". You are not pressuring her into giving more info on her alignment. You apparently have no other scumreads. So if you are not confident that rsoultin is mafia to even vote for her why are you not trying to pressure her and/or why are you not trying to find other mafia? On February 28 2015 02:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: I will talk about this one last time.And btw your "consistent" points are obvious, everyone should know those things. Lurking is bad, wasting posts is bad, bla bla who cares? Everyone knows this shit. I already stated why I am not voting for my only suspect, it is because I want to ensure that I do not tunnel and I want to give rsoultin a chance to play the game properly first. For now, my pressure vote has served its purpose. I do not see the purpose of voting for rsoultin at this time, now that she is actually playing the game, I will wait to see what she comes up with. All of these statements are easily supported by quotes in my filter. I have been trying to find the other mafia, I have taken a look at several players and have been trying to use meta to wade through the mess in this game. That is why I feel that KelsierSC is probably town. Unfortunately, my tone reads aren't that good, so I'm having some trouble making a bunch of good reads. I have shared what are (in my opinion, clearly not in everyone else's opinion) my two solid reads. The consistency throughout my posts is not that wasting posts is bad, but that I am suspicious of rsoultin for her early posting. There is a big difference. | ||
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Please don't lynch me. I'm maybe ten pages behind in the thread, I'll reread everything. Let me know if you have any questions, since I was unexpectedly out all of yesterday afternoon/evening I don't think that I should be worried about my post count any more. I do apologize for being away and not letting people know, my fault entirely. | ||
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On February 28 2015 10:30 Superbia wrote: Go read Carol of the Bells. Nice try.Nah, I disagree with that. He seems very aware of his own meta and filters. Trolling and lurking is not in his town playbook. Which is why I'm not entirely sure on RSO atm. | ||
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On February 28 2015 10:52 rsoultin wrote: You yourself stated in the obs chat that my leading town was outside of my normal play, don't make me dig up the quote. You know very well that I prefer to play a more backseat analyst role.You don't think it's at all strange that Trfel, who can be seen attempting to generate conversation and direct scumhunting in our newbie game together that just finished (all my games are in my profile for everyone's convenience), chose to vote and unvote in silence and only bothered to post or explain himself after two votes were on him? His explanation for his behavior was weak, his follow-up post looked like cya to me, and now he's disappeared again...if any of you know Trfel or have played with him at all, tell me this looks like a town!Trfel to you with a straight face lol Maybe I vanished because real life came up? Maybe I went after you because I thought you were scum? Maybe I remember that in my game as mafia, you caught me on my second post for making a bad read? It would be the stupidest thing ever for me to make a "bad" read on you, since I figure you would probably notice? | ||
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I do like Palmar's case on Superbia, though I am not sold on the second point. | ||
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I'm going to take a break for a bit, be back with reads later. That was rather frustrating. | ||
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On March 01 2015 03:45 KelsierSC wrote: I'm frustrated that my best reads in this game are no longer normal reads. I don't really know what to do with that.This is it? You just gave a. Random ass list of town reads. Are you being backseat analyst this game? | ||
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On March 01 2015 04:04 KelsierSC wrote: Shoot, I was completely wrong, haha.Fine I'm mafia alongside Va and onegu. Endgame now But yes, a reroll was absolutely necessary anyway. | ||
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Let's try wagoning a different player on Day 1 this time, okay? | ||
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On March 01 2015 04:46 rsoultin wrote: Please no, after Newbie Mafia that is equivalent to a death sentence.....trfel if you start scumreading me every game cause you think I look town in my scum games i'm going to put you in the time-out corner with my brother >> y'all can keep each other company while he grins his big shit-eating grin at you >> | ||
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