Newbie Student Mafia VI

On February 25 2015 06:17 sicklucker wrote:


If you wanted to see who gave a fuck and dandred was the one that gave a fuck why do you think dandred is mafia?

Guys I think we got 1 mafia his logic makes no sense

On February 25 2015 06:25 Damdred wrote:
Well then explain why SL and the others are scum. I'm curious on the reads and why you voted SL when your other svum two scum reads are leading wagons?

On February 25 2015 06:30 sicklucker wrote:
Dandred you dont find it weird how his opening is saying hes found 4 mafia to see whos listening? Then when its you who asks he thinks your mafia? It was literally a thing he did to see who was town. How can he reach the conclusion your mafia. Especially when your the easiest town read in the game atm.

On February 25 2015 06:31 Eden1892 wrote:
I think HTS replaced out because she's mafia, now to go read the thread for people who probably aren't mafia due to that

On February 25 2015 06:35 Eden1892 wrote:

Yeah I do. I distinctly thought to myself "where is HTS? I know she wasn't scared off b/c I mentioned 1-to-1 time" at work today. Then I read the thread and after earlygame fun she was really absent. Then she replaced out, which is alignment-indicative according to stats both on TL and mafiascum [citation needed I know I know but trust me it's true], and then your posts since you got in the thread aren't really making me think you're town either.

On February 25 2015 06:42 _Tormented_ wrote:


basically saying that we should ignore if hts gave us scum reads and just focus on you even though you took over hts' role? How does that even make any sense.

On February 25 2015 06:45 _Tormented_ wrote:


hts not being in the game doesn't mean the reads on her are now just null and void. You taking over doesn't magically change your role.

On February 25 2015 06:49 Tronak wrote:


Why? another post like your first ones to see who reacts?

On February 25 2015 06:53 Damdred wrote:
All we are asking is reasoning behind the reads, two of your mafia have cases but you solo vote Sl for feels with no explanation.

You deserve heat kel. Give us more

On February 25 2015 06:56 Damdred wrote:
Ok
. Any town reads kel

On February 25 2015 07:01 Damdred wrote:
Why did they seem ok and everyone else?

On February 25 2015 07:07 Tronak wrote:


why would you answer with such an empty question to my simple and legit demand? maybe you thought I was trolling, so I'll rephrase... since you included me in your wannabe lynch list me I would like to know the reasons.

On February 25 2015 07:09 sicklucker wrote:
Kel I ask you for the third time why am I scum

On February 25 2015 07:25 Damdred wrote:
How is that a good post exactly kel? It reads like a Scum read and then.... nom guys I give him break Lolo.

On February 25 2015 07:23 sicklucker wrote:


how so? You mean the one where I explain meta to the new players? because thats the best post in the thread

On February 25 2015 07:29 Damdred wrote:
If you are Scum reading someone else for doing the same thing why is node town for it

On February 25 2015 07:31 Eden1892 wrote:
and yes I know the quotations are you summarizing someone else's comments, I just highlighted them to point out the irony of you soft-accusing someone for this when you literally have done it twice now

On February 25 2015 07:33 Damdred wrote:


You called node town but I ask why because he did x you said you Scum read tor for the sake thing. Ok asking why you are fixing someone a town read for the same thing you'd Scum read someone for

On February 25 2015 07:40 _Tormented_ wrote:




You had it right the first time fyi. Also, I do agree ksc seems to be scrambling to make up for any reads that hts might have given away.

On February 25 2015 07:33 yamato77 wrote:
I think ksc might be mafia.

I remember him being obstinate as town but not altogether unwilling to participate. He was much more forthcoming in the game I played with him.

I still kinda think tormented is town but it's more up in the air with Artanis being on the lynch as well and the question mark I have for him.

On February 25 2015 08:03 Damdred wrote:
I like yamatto though he seems pretty towny so far.

It's not that I don't think tormented could be mafia I have commitment issues and not sure if he's the right lynch yet. I'll think more oh it though.

Ksc I see, but why does soneone automatically agreeing with your thought make them town? Especially with his lack of conclusion though I do think he's townish

On February 25 2015 08:08 Damdred wrote:
Look at Eden and five,me your thoughts kel

On February 15 2015 08:20 Town Puppy wrote:

no

You can be town though

On February 15 2015 03:17 Town Puppy wrote:
ugh

Also this guy is town because his filter is already longer than it was after one cycle of play in Imperial.

On February 15 2015 08:19 Town Puppy wrote:
I got another townread!!

ritoky is having more fun this game than Imperial (town tell) and I forget who said it but I'm parroting the tier-above thing because it's right.

Man, every town read I get takes me one step closer to accepting Our Lord and Savior, RNGesus Christ

On February 25 2015 06:33 Eden1892 wrote:
Actually I lied, I'm looking at filters instead.

Town pile:
Probulous
Artanis
sicklucker
Damdred
me
Wave?

Scum pile:
Kelsier

Null pile:
A lot of people lol

On February 24 2015 14:06 Eden1892 wrote:

this guy is town and I might sheep him on Damdred tbh. I'm a little hesitant on Damdred being mafia because it is early and he could just be latching onto whatever he feels he could find, but I'm used to being able to understand Damdred's thought process to a reasonable extent when we're town together. I don't really get where/why he finds me or HTS suspicious. HTS isn't suspicious to me much at all, and the stuff that I'm doing that is weird/possibly suspicious is just standard fare early game banter with which Damdred ought be more familiar, esp. since we've played before.

On February 25 2015 06:31 Eden1892 wrote:
I think HTS replaced out because she's mafia, now to go read the thread for people who probably aren't mafia due to that

On February 25 2015 08:25 Damdred wrote:
Seriously eden, last night I explained my misgivings on you and hts. You asked I answered, after I answered wave took over. You haven't really responded to that still.

You reentered the thread called for policy lynch didn't act on it moved on to picking on node. Nowback to ksc.

You just aren't trying to figure things out but have the appearance at this point

On February 25 2015 08:29 WaveofShadow wrote:

This is kind of a scummy question. Agree/disagree?

On February 25 2015 08:29 _Tormented_ wrote:



left field? You start losing the argument against damred and ksc so you try and pile on me?

On February 25 2015 08:32 Eden1892 wrote:

you keep saying things without backing any of it up, what am I supposed to do about that? and "wave took over" lol what even is that

"picking on Node"? are both of you blind? I scumread Node for making this big post on you that all but called you mafia then put you in null/not necessarily mafia. He had a decent reply so I backed off of it. Then he did it again with Tarnok. That's pretty suspicious behavior to me, the only reason I'm off of it is b/c I did think Node's response to my first callout was ok and I read Artanis town and he's telling me he thinks Node is townish.

I want Tormented to explain his initial reads and then tell me what's changed in all the posts in-between.

Still think KSC is mafia b/c HTS wasn't doing anything (which is completely opposite her town game) and KSC hasn't done anything townie since he reentered the thread

This is so dumb that I even have to explain this. I'm pretty obviously town if you compare to any of my mafia games

On February 25 2015 08:35 Eden1892 wrote:

???

On February 25 2015 08:39 Eden1892 wrote:

I mean if I think HTS is mafia for not doing anything and I don't get what you're doing, why wouldn't I think you're mafia?

I don't get why you're so butthurt about people asking you for this. You replaced into a slot that hadn't done shit previously occupied by a player known for getting shit done. Handwaving her lack of production by saying "read me not her" and then doing your best to make it difficult to read you isn't leaving me any options

On February 25 2015 08:43 Damdred wrote:


People can check out your filter and come to their own conclussions. I post my thoughts. And people can fact check you know that's how I work. Which makes this a super defensive post.

Actually you do have to defend yourself and when you compare this tone wise length wise and content wise it's way different than your town.

When I say wave took over you disappeared after I answered you.

Your reads are lacking for you as kel pointed out though.

On February 25 2015 08:44 Eden1892 wrote:

cool
so why do you expect me not to scumread you here? if you're town then clearly I'm wrong and missing something townie you've done (esp. since I explicitly said "you've done nothing townie") so how about taking a minute of your time and showing me

On February 25 2015 06:14 sicklucker wrote:
Snarf is town because his first post was asking about players he didnt know. This is the strongest opening because as town its also what I want to know and It was my opening to answer it.

Dandred is town because Ive played him as mafia 3 times and he just lurked. When he leads the discusion day1 hes always been town in like 9 games ive played with him as town. Ive had this read for quite awile and im glad we finally both rolled town for once so I can use it.

On February 25 2015 08:53 Eden1892 wrote:

you should if you're town b/c you're making this game unnecessarily harder on your teammate

On February 25 2015 08:54 Tronak wrote:


Following Eden's thoughts on Kel with interest and agreeing with her so far.

Gonna throw 1 question for you Kel before i go to sleep:
1 - Do you really care about the results of this game or you were persuaded to come make this replacement?

On February 25 2015 09:02 Eden1892 wrote:

LIKE WHAT????? Your earlygame comments where you wanted me to jump around every 5 seconds because I did it in some town games a few weeks / month or so back? I literally remember nothing else you want me to "followup" on

And then you're saying I "settled on Tormented" WHEN I'M VOTING HIM TO GET HIM TO FOLLOWUP ON SOMETHING I SAID EARLIER????

Wtf am I supposed to do with this?

On February 25 2015 09:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

What thoughts has he pushed other than a pretty poor case on Tormented which he isn't pushing anymore because he's been shitting unsubstantiated 'question marks' at me? I see a Yamato on the sidelines that isn't really doing much other than throwing dirt on me where possible, with a few idle questions here and there.


Why does scum sicklucker not give as much of a shit as town sicklucker in this position? From what I recall him saying he actively tries to be unreadable by not giving as much of a shit in general as town when it isn't necessary.


Have you played any games that aren't months old though? I actually still need to check if you go along with town sentiment more as mafia to collaborate it too but I recalled very strongly that you do your own thing regardless of town sentiment. It is most certainly not bad.

I'm gonna go do that now.

On February 25 2015 11:40 Probulous wrote:

No, just that if you are going to cast suspicion about, you should have some good reasons for it.

On February 25 2015 12:56 yamato77 wrote:

He's a noob. At least he has thoughts and questions about the game.

On February 25 2015 21:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh and for someone else for people to think about, probby has flown completely under the radar today after everyone town read him.

On February 25 2015 22:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
Kelsier I'm not sure what's making you play like this as compared to Guilty but it's weird and off putting, whether or not you're having 'fun.'

Just in case I don't get back to things

##vote: tronak

On February 25 2015 22:14 Tronak wrote:
I will, no hurry.

On February 25 2015 22:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Reading through I'm pretty sure Eden is town. Case on Tormented then backing away from it based on reflection plus his response to Yamato felt really townie.

On February 25 2015 22:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I'm presuming you're pointing out the supposed irony given I'm scumreading Tormented and Yamato for backing away from that read. It's different though because Yamato made a shit case rather than a good one like Eden did, and then he backed away not because of reflection but because one of his 'question marks' also voted for him.

On February 26 2015 00:12 Tronak wrote:


Firsty, sorry, I missed it everytime until your last reminder (missed 1st and your self quotes tricked me later since I hadnt opened those).

Kel is high in my list for these simple reasons:
-He trolled and trolled in his opening and following pages = I hate that because doesnt help the thread (same as Kels and Eden's recent SC spam). Why would a town do that? For having fun? What if whole town would join the trolling? In that case I will get lost in unusefull information, not what I expect as townie, neither as a wannabe good mafia student.
-I liked Eden push on him last night which by it self was giving enough reasons to put a big "SCUM" warning on Kel's nose. Kel's reaction was again same trollish behauvioir which I cant understand either.

On February 26 2015 00:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I think this post is very townie because the paranoia is very well articulated and omnipresent in everything, as well as having a very clear idea about what to him is acting in the best interest of town and being congruent in it.

This in contrast to Tormented for which, I once again repeat, no one has found a viable explanation regarding his sudden shift in thoughts.

On February 26 2015 00:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I agree new players tend to be hard to read, but I find his change of mindset and inconsistencies incompatible with a town mindset. I believe I've found mafia, I see no one able to counter my argument other than a weak "he's a new player" which doesn't actually invalidate the point, so I'm going to keep driving it home until he gets lynched.

I'm willing to lynch Yamato as well though. I believe I've made that clear.

On February 25 2015 07:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

That's all fine and dandy, but that doesn't explain his sudden change from paranoia to giving concrete reads on everyone except the people he claimed to be paranoid of despite being paranoid of everyone just a few moments ago.


What nothing did I say beyond the initial game trolling and how would you explain my point on Tormented in a single line? I felt it needed a narrative to drive the point home.

Your meta towncase on Node also feels arbitrary. You picked out an aspect that Node used in a town game and didn't use in his mafia game and presumed that it's alignment indicative because they're different, but correlation does not imply causation. Without having been in the game or reading them entirely, it's pretty much impossible to tell what drove him to post differently in that regard. Meta is useful for general trends but I don't believe the way you used it is indicative of anything. I could prove just about anything I wanted using a mafia and towngame of any one player.


I don't like this defeatist attitude. I had a pretty good townread on you so far but this is weaksauce. I remember Wave in Shadow consistently going against the grain with his own thoughts and no matter what the other veterans said, he continued on his own thought pattern. I find this very atypical of townWave.


Can we please not do this?


That's not my argument at all. My argument is that he was paranoid of everyone at first, then when asked to give reads on people the only people he's paranoid of is the people he's mentioned before in his filter, and then there's that he separates between "town or mafia" and "no clue" for no apparent reason whatsoever.

Eden Node is probably town, stop pestering him. Pester this guy instead


Are you seriously making unflipped associations right now?
Like, really?

On February 25 2015 22:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I.. I was townreading him. Do I have to re-eval him too?

On February 26 2015 01:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I thought he was town before, then that post made me wonder, then I decided it wasn't something indicative and I stopped wondering.

On February 26 2015 01:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Yes.

On February 26 2015 01:21 Damdred wrote:
It's quite literally POE on who I wouldn't want to lynch into the last two. I think Eden has been pretty towny from when I called him out to now. Kel has started playing the game properly and I can keep track where hes going.

On February 26 2015 01:35 Tronak wrote:


that doesnt make sense...

Explain to me please, what does being anti town/mafia mean? does it mean my game is so bad that I could only cause confusion to both factions? so I should be a cheap lynch for the town in early days? and mafia will easy shoot me tomorrow? (why could both be "anti" at the same time?).

On February 26 2015 01:56 sicklucker wrote:
Free town read to the first person who votes kels Ive asked him 10 times to explain his reads

On February 26 2015 01:59 sicklucker wrote:


Good read dandred is 100% town. But unlike dandred kels has a history of spewing mafia on day1 (see Christmas carol) He wants to kill two towns (me and dandred) and the two other easy newb lynches. He has like 0 town reads

On February 26 2015 02:01 sicklucker wrote:
Explain why you just voted dandred there. I dont see where you "caught" him. I already explained why my opener was townie

On February 26 2015 02:06 sicklucker wrote:
Thats his opinion its not a terrible one but I dont think its correct.

On February 25 2015 09:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

What thoughts has he pushed other than a pretty poor case on Tormented which he isn't pushing anymore because he's been shitting unsubstantiated 'question marks' at me? I see a Yamato on the sidelines that isn't really doing much other than throwing dirt on me where possible, with a few idle questions here and there.


Why does scum sicklucker not give as much of a shit as town sicklucker in this position? From what I recall him saying he actively tries to be unreadable by not giving as much of a shit in general as town when it isn't necessary.


Have you played any games that aren't months old though? I actually still need to check if you go along with town sentiment more as mafia to collaborate it too but I recalled very strongly that you do your own thing regardless of town sentiment. It is most certainly not bad.

I'm gonna go do that now.

On February 26 2015 02:51 Tronak wrote:


Thanks sausage for free shooting on me for whatever reason thats makes you "have fun".

Despite you think I am unusefull to town you placed my 2 suspects (Yamato and you) between your 3 suggestions for a vote. Putting yourself between those can only be a sign of your wannabe townie line of play today.

On February 26 2015 03:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
When did I ever say he trolled early so he is mafia?
The shit are you on about?

On February 26 2015 03:03 Tronak wrote:


3 are not lots, lol, you had 2 players voting you before your post and me (the 3) pushing, since I am unusefull for you, you should have considered only 2 people were considering you. Thats not "lots". So again this post and your line of last 5 hours stinks.

/afk now will catch up later, gotta leave .

On February 26 2015 03:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
Considering there was no other post between, I assumed.

Anyway I have 15? Min to talk I guess. Ksc who are you voting for and why?

On February 26 2015 03:15 sicklucker wrote:
Thats how I interpreted it reread it

On February 26 2015 03:16 sicklucker wrote:
What does a artanis one liner have to do with anything tho.

On February 26 2015 03:51 KelsierSC wrote:


Ive actually made good contributions over the past 8 hours.

Artanis isn't here..i want YOUR answers and so far they are wanting

On February 26 2015 04:31 yamato77 wrote:
Kels what do you think of snarfs?

On February 26 2015 06:08 Snarfs wrote:

artanis right now is my strongest read. Take it for what you will.

I thought his attack on Tormented was an identical rehash of what both myself and yamato said at pretty much the same time.

I asked people about him and he called me out for asking people about him, but then never bothered to check my filter or try to determine my alignment.

On February 26 2015 03:15 yamato77 wrote:
I like damdred's posts about Snarfs. Dude has been seriously fishy this whole game.

For one, I'm pretty sure Node is town. For two, the way he's sort of just landed on Kels makes me highly suspicious. If someone has to bait you into voting them, it looks bad.

Kelsier looks a lot better now than when I initially voted him. Snarfs looks worse. Artanis looks better, even if he's ununnecessarily fixated on me. Tormented is at least trying, to an extent.

Right now I kinda want to lynch Snarfs. Ever since his first big post, I've had him down as solidly scummy but I've sat on it and waited. He never really got better.

##Vote: Snarfs

On February 25 2015 15:59 _Tormented_ wrote:
lol whatever, I am not mafia and you will see that, but I see no reason to post again since everything I say apparently gets twisted around to be mafia.

On February 24 2015 14:59 yamato77 wrote:
So I guess no one is going to play along and actually look at tormented with any sort of scrutiny, I might as well just post my suspicions now and gauge reaction.

Only two people have actually commented on his alignment to any degree, and both of them like the fact that he asked some questions. Mkay. Sure.

However, when one looks at his filter it just seems like someone who simply wants to blend in.

Many of his early game posts are completely fluff and serve no purpose.

He spends time talking about:

RNG







Sarcasm




And he asks this stupid question:



Which probulous gives him credit for. eeeehhhhh

Other posts are also just "general information" sort of posts that have little to do with the game.

His only "reads" post is this gem:



It's believable enough that he "accidentally" called sicklucker town but it's also possible he simply outed himself. Either way, these reads are weak and also evident of thread sentiment. Artanis and I are the only people with fingers pointed at us in the thread, and his reads reflect that rather perfectly.



In response to me voting him after that post, he says this. Ironic, given that he's given exactly 0 reasons for any of his reads. In the mean time, I'll simply assume they are fabricated and designed to be inconspicuous, like my impression of them would assert. Notably, he thinks I'm mafia and that I'm OMGUSing him but yet I'm the one who voted him and he has yet to place his.

It's not an amazing read, but it's more interesting to me than anything else that has happened thus far. I have yet to read Probulous' case on Damdred but in general I tend to listen to my own reads day 1 more than I trust other people's cases. My initial impression of damdred is that he is playing somewhat different from how I remember but that doesn't mean much with my absence from the game.

On February 26 2015 06:26 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ksc if yamato was scum he wouldn't have even done that much.

This game is town yamato's formula.i hate fucking meta and even I will admit to it.

On February 26 2015 06:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'd lunch that guy maybe but I feel like it would be doing so just as blind.
All he does is spam and spout random shit and I don't know how he normally plays.

On February 26 2015 06:33 yamato77 wrote:

It's precisely because of posts like the one you quote where he shows his frustration with the game that proves he's trying, at least to an extent. It's not working for him but he is doing things. It's a departure from how he started the game. I'm willing to let him pass. It's not an amazing townread, but the scumread was never that strong and far too tentative to really take to lynch.

On February 26 2015 06:56 yamato77 wrote:

Snarfs case is better.

SL is like a plynch tbh

On February 26 2015 07:03 Tronak wrote:


What do you think about Wave?

On January 21 2015 00:00 sicklucker wrote:


No im making a list post you baddies. I dont know whats going on the the most productive thing is to give my reads.

Holyflare - No strong read. Could be either Ive seen him push stupid mislynches as town before

Damdred - Had the same idea to presure marv as two town (me and vivax)

batsnacks - Not thinking for himself leaning scum

liancourt - Policy lynching giving 0 reads and afking. Scum

Vivax - Playing identical from are last game I dont think something this wild can be duplicated as mafia.

Half the Sky - I read her really well. And she is not being her town so far. But Ive jumped the gun on that before want to see more like asap or lynch.

VayneAuthority - Tried to stop a mislynch on him last game lead by liancourt, oats and bats. Lets see his day2 this time.
Wile E. Coyote - Who the hell is he? I dont know he uses big words and is burying me so leaning scum.

Oatsmaster - being his normal null self. Would not lynch

Marvellosity - Obv town never lynch when he mislynches me today

KelsierSC - Similiar ideas reading town.

On February 25 2015 06:15 sicklucker wrote:
And ksc is scummy for wanting to lynch two towns. (One that didnt do anything..) And two newbs

On February 26 2015 01:59 sicklucker wrote:


Good read dandred is 100% town. But unlike dandred kels has a history of spewing mafia on day1 (see Christmas carol) He wants to kill two towns (me and dandred) and the two other easy newb lynches. He has like 0 town reads

On February 26 2015 07:09 Tronak wrote:


Was hoping for you to put some weight in tbh. I am starting to believe in Eden's push on him (sorry Eden if that doesnt permit you close your case on him).

On February 26 2015 07:36 Probulous wrote:
From this game

From HoA

KSC Case



So from the above SL style seems pretty consistent to me. Talk shit, be straight and generally don't give a fuck. But it's meta which for me is pretty useless unless I played with person.
KSC, is there anything else to your case?

On February 26 2015 03:12 sicklucker wrote:
Basically artanis is saying I try as hard when im scum which is true. He questions your scum read because im not really trying

On February 24 2015 15:25 WaveofShadow wrote:

And such is often the problem I have with newer players (doesn't have to be a complete noob for this to apply). Textbook mafia play often also looks like textbook 'I'm not sure what else to do here' noob play.

I'm far less convinced by this than I am with Damdred's play right now. Damdred is far better than he has played thus far, and his excuses are a little weak.
What exactly do you find to be 'ehhhhhhhhhh?'

On February 26 2015 07:53 _Tormented_ wrote:
##unvote
##Vote Artanis

I agree about snarf's post and I agree with his lynch, even if nothing will come of it.

On February 26 2015 07:58 _Tormented_ wrote:



I have backed off on you being mafia as I think you have very valid points about Sl, but I am not ready to fully commit to voting him yet. Artanis I believe was just trying to railroad the new player. He provided very little else until yamato switched his vote away from me, which caused him to get upset and eventually end up voting him. Something just doesn't seem right about that.

On February 26 2015 07:59 Probulous wrote:


This is what Artanis said

"Why does scum sicklucker not give as much of a shit as town sicklucker in this position? From what I recall him saying he actively tries to be unreadable by not giving as much of a shit in general as town when it isn't necessary."

Which sounds the same as SL not trying when he is town? Am I missing something KSC?

On February 26 2015 08:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I'm not sure on the exact quote but it was something along the lines of him not trying when he feels it isn't necessary to make it easier for him to emulate as either alignment.

On February 26 2015 07:59 KelsierSC wrote:


well...snarf just said he didnt want to lynch me.

so I don't really know if you even read what he wrote.

On February 26 2015 08:05 Eden1892 wrote:

reply

to

my

case

On February 26 2015 08:07 sicklucker wrote:
Give it a rest ksc im not mafia and no ones voting me

On February 26 2015 08:09 Tronak wrote:


Artanis is online now though, so is a perfect time to resolve KSC questions...

On February 26 2015 08:11 sicklucker wrote:


Because it was and you using it as an excuse to vote me was scummmy to me.

On February 26 2015 08:13 Eden1892 wrote:

What about the part where he says he has trouble distinguishing between newbie players not playing well and scum, and the part where all his votes and suspects this game besides Damdred have been newbies he hasn't bothered to dig into

On February 26 2015 08:18 Eden1892 wrote:
uh kels pls explain because i'm five

On February 26 2015 08:04 Tronak wrote:


/agree

I like Snarfs, as said before, he results interesting to exist in my learning curve.

However, is impossible anyone reading half Artanis's post would miss his tunneling on Tormented.

How can you explain that Snarfs?