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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
February 25 2015 13:05 GMT
#621
On February 25 2015 22:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 21:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On February 25 2015 21:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 25 2015 21:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Wave what do you actually think of Yamato?

Most likely town

Why? I really don't see it.

Feels and some super early game stuff.

Plus the cycle of caring /not caring today fits with his usual town play.

That isn't really helpful for my read, sadly.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 25 2015 13:07 GMT
#622
On February 25 2015 22:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Damdred stop posting whilst driving, you're a traffic hazard

Yeah seriously, haven't you been ticketed multiple times because of that?

And Artanis if that isn't helpful why aren't you voting Yamato with the rest of these guys?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
February 25 2015 13:09 GMT
#623
On February 25 2015 22:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 22:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Damdred stop posting whilst driving, you're a traffic hazard

Yeah seriously, haven't you been ticketed multiple times because of that?

And Artanis if that isn't helpful why aren't you voting Yamato with the rest of these guys?

Because I'm not sure yet if he's a better lynch than Tormented. I'm still rereading what's been posted since I went to bed too.
Tronak
Profile Joined February 2015
Spain217 Posts
February 25 2015 13:10 GMT
#624
On February 25 2015 21:24 KelsierSC wrote:
So conclusion is to wait on whoever gets the most traction and then join that wagon?


If that would potentially save "any" of my extensive "believed" townies list, yes I would probably join "that wagon with most traction" (assuming the trains goes for Yamatos-Kelsier lynching).
If that wouldn't change a thing, I will decide my self in which of those wagons jump in.


On February 25 2015 21:44 KelsierSC wrote:
Why don't you actually grow a dick and vote someone


Beacause I want to give as much value to my vote as possible. No hurry for taking my final decision.
LeaVe & LeT DiE
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 25 2015 13:12 GMT
#625
Or you could actually put yourself out there, call someone mafia and then vote them.
Zerg for Life
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 25 2015 13:13 GMT
#626
Kelsier I'm not sure what's making you play like this as compared to Guilty but it's weird and off putting, whether or not you're having 'fun.'

Just in case I don't get back to things

##vote: tronak
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Tronak
Profile Joined February 2015
Spain217 Posts
February 25 2015 13:14 GMT
#627
I will, no hurry.
LeaVe & LeT DiE
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 25 2015 13:15 GMT
#628
On February 25 2015 22:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
Kelsier I'm not sure what's making you play like this as compared to Guilty but it's weird and off putting, whether or not you're having 'fun.'

Just in case I don't get back to things

##vote: tronak


The fuck did I do
Zerg for Life
Tronak
Profile Joined February 2015
Spain217 Posts
February 25 2015 13:15 GMT
#629
On February 25 2015 22:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
Kelsier I'm not sure what's making you play like this as compared to Guilty but it's weird and off putting, whether or not you're having 'fun.'

Just in case I don't get back to things

##vote: tronak


Can you elaborate please?

<AFK 20 mins> I'll catch up with your answer, hoping it comes.
LeaVe & LeT DiE
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 25 2015 13:15 GMT
#630
On February 25 2015 22:14 Tronak wrote:
I will, no hurry.


Do it now, who do you want to lynch?
Zerg for Life
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
February 25 2015 13:29 GMT
#631
Reading through I'm pretty sure Eden is town. Case on Tormented then backing away from it based on reflection plus his response to Yamato felt really townie.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
February 25 2015 13:33 GMT
#632
Also Tronak, with how many people suspect Tormented at least some of them have to be town, which means that there is a certain amount of logic on his push that apparently you're not seeing. Is that the only reason you're suspecting me? Where would I place between the suspects you have and why?
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 25 2015 13:33 GMT
#633
On February 25 2015 22:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Reading through I'm pretty sure Eden is town. Case on Tormented then backing away from it based on reflection plus his response to Yamato felt really townie.


Lol
Zerg for Life
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
February 25 2015 13:33 GMT
#634
Tronak is also a distraction lynch. All he's saying is that he has a longish list of people he would lynch out of, and a list of people he wouldn't, and right now he's not sure which one he'd hit from his list so he's in "save his list of people not to lynch" mode. It only sounds scummy if you don't stop to steelman his comments

People I would lynch right now:
- yamato obviously
- I could lynch Wave, he's in this area where he's posted enough to be seen but he doesn't look like he's really trying to solve things. It's really weird reading his filter; I like his Damdred questioning but as soon as that subthread fizzles out, his posts are just so unimpressive to me - he has a post basically fishing for thread sentiment on lynching Kelsier, and when I asked him why he thought Kelsier's question was suspicious he never replied. Apparent sudden onset laziness culminates in (imo) lazy read of Tronak here.
- I could also lynch sicklucker. I liked his intro because it felt like classic town sicklucker to me, but he hasn't been involved in the thread at all since then. I would rather give him one more day since he cited a pretty valid reason for being inactive to this point, but for him inactivity is alignment-indicative, so he's on the table over other people.

People I would not lynch:
- Artanis
- Damdred
- Tronak
- Tormented
- Snarfs
- Node
- Probulous

Unknown pile:
- MAYBE Kelsier. I have to admit part of this is associative with sicklucker and Wave, and I'd lynch him over the other people in this list. But I would lynch the 3 in my first list over him. I feel like his play is also distracting and lynchbait rather than mafia, but I could also see where he might take this tack as mafia after replacing into a difficult situation (presuming he is mafia, he replaced into a mafia slot piloted by someone who we had pretty good reason to think was mafia due to inactivity). I'm still undecided on him but I don't think I want him when I could have the top 3.
- Shining obviously, kinda hope if he's not gonna end up being able to play that he gets modkilled, but I forget if Blazinghand modkills people for that and I don't feel like factchecking for 3 seconds to find out

I'm probably wrong about at least one of my lynch targets (and by extension one of my not-lynch targets), but I'll have time to figure that out. But the lynch should be among yamato, Wave or sicklucker today IMO.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
February 25 2015 13:36 GMT
#635
Ah, one other thing about Wave. Earlier he said this:

On February 24 2015 15:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2015 15:20 yamato77 wrote:
On February 24 2015 15:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
Am I included it those who 'liked the fact that he asked some questions?' Because I don't think I said anything of the sort. I believe my words were:
On February 24 2015 12:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 24 2015 10:40 _Tormented_ wrote:
@yamato what makes you support Artanis for mayor? Especially without hearing anyone else even lobby for it yet.

This one is curious.

It's typical new player fare.
He's pretty agreeable and gives the public exactly what they want---this works from both mafia and town perspectives for obvs reasons. I'm historically awful at reading new players and this is no exception tbh.



Now I think there's maybe something to it, but
a) all you're doing is basically taking the 'he must be mafia' side of the inconspicuous newbie argument
b) I'm not sure why you think it has more merit than Prob's point that I've latched onto. I don't really see a towny mindset behind Damdred's retraction.

I thought you were describing him as a curious person, not saying that he perplexes you in some way.

Anyway, I didn't say he had to be mafia, I'm just saying that it is textbook earlygame mafia play. He's not a complete noob, either.

And such is often the problem I have with newer players (doesn't have to be a complete noob for this to apply). Textbook mafia play often also looks like textbook 'I'm not sure what else to do here' noob play.

Now he's voting Tronak for... what? Something that I'd pretty much to the letter call "'I'm not sure what else to do here' noob play."

I'd almost rather lynch Wave over yamato. How about that? I like my arguments better for lynching him on further reflection.

##UNVOTE
##VOTE: WaveofShadow
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
February 25 2015 13:39 GMT
#636
On February 25 2015 22:33 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 22:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Reading through I'm pretty sure Eden is town. Case on Tormented then backing away from it based on reflection plus his response to Yamato felt really townie.


Lol

I'm presuming you're pointing out the supposed irony given I'm scumreading Tormented and Yamato for backing away from that read. It's different though because Yamato made a shit case rather than a good one like Eden did, and then he backed away not because of reflection but because one of his 'question marks' also voted for him.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
February 25 2015 13:42 GMT
#637
On February 25 2015 22:36 Eden1892 wrote:
Ah, one other thing about Wave. Earlier he said this:

Show nested quote +
On February 24 2015 15:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 24 2015 15:20 yamato77 wrote:
On February 24 2015 15:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
Am I included it those who 'liked the fact that he asked some questions?' Because I don't think I said anything of the sort. I believe my words were:
On February 24 2015 12:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 24 2015 10:40 _Tormented_ wrote:
@yamato what makes you support Artanis for mayor? Especially without hearing anyone else even lobby for it yet.

This one is curious.

It's typical new player fare.
He's pretty agreeable and gives the public exactly what they want---this works from both mafia and town perspectives for obvs reasons. I'm historically awful at reading new players and this is no exception tbh.



Now I think there's maybe something to it, but
a) all you're doing is basically taking the 'he must be mafia' side of the inconspicuous newbie argument
b) I'm not sure why you think it has more merit than Prob's point that I've latched onto. I don't really see a towny mindset behind Damdred's retraction.

I thought you were describing him as a curious person, not saying that he perplexes you in some way.

Anyway, I didn't say he had to be mafia, I'm just saying that it is textbook earlygame mafia play. He's not a complete noob, either.

And such is often the problem I have with newer players (doesn't have to be a complete noob for this to apply). Textbook mafia play often also looks like textbook 'I'm not sure what else to do here' noob play.

Now he's voting Tronak for... what? Something that I'd pretty much to the letter call "'I'm not sure what else to do here' noob play."

I'd almost rather lynch Wave over yamato. How about that? I like my arguments better for lynching him on further reflection.

##UNVOTE
##VOTE: WaveofShadow

I.. I was townreading him. Do I have to re-eval him too?
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 25 2015 13:43 GMT
#638
On February 25 2015 22:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 22:33 KelsierSC wrote:
On February 25 2015 22:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Reading through I'm pretty sure Eden is town. Case on Tormented then backing away from it based on reflection plus his response to Yamato felt really townie.


Lol

I'm presuming you're pointing out the supposed irony given I'm scumreading Tormented and Yamato for backing away from that read. It's different though because Yamato made a shit case rather than a good one like Eden did, and then he backed away not because of reflection but because one of his 'question marks' also voted for him.


I was doing no such thing.

You might be right on Eden though.
Zerg for Life
Tronak
Profile Joined February 2015
Spain217 Posts
February 25 2015 13:44 GMT
#639
On February 25 2015 22:15 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 22:14 Tronak wrote:
I will, no hurry.


Do it now, who do you want to lynch?


Again no, and again you or Yamato.
LeaVe & LeT DiE
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 25 2015 13:45 GMT
#640
Ok which one would you lynch now?
Zerg for Life
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