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On February 25 2015 15:22 _Tormented_ wrote:
I am not really buying it snarf. His comment on Damdred is odd, but makes sense with the way Damdred has been acting. I think you are purposely over analyzing his Tronak post and thirdly I see absolutely nothing wrong with his post in your third point. You also made it a point to point out that you know you are town...asking us to "keep it in mind". Was that part really necessary unless you want to make yourself seem as townie as possible so that everyone buys your version of the argument. Not to mention seeming overanxious to get opinions on your post. You were probably better off just not saying anything else, then trying to bug players into commenting.
I am going with this for now.
##Vote: Snarfs
bleeding red
my vote is in a good place
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I'm not saying you are bad, the post reads badly to me. But I'll look over snarf in the morning and see if I agree with you.
However just without reading again his wanting people to look and comment is a towny thing to do to a point.
Though out of all of that I'm surprised you didn't mention how this going after someone directly followed someone saying he wasn't doing that. Could be a coincidence or I'm paranoid but the timing is interesting
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lol whatever, I am not mafia and you will see that, but I see no reason to post again since everything I say apparently gets twisted around to be mafia.
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On February 25 2015 15:22 _Tormented_ wrote:
I am not really buying it snarf. His comment on Damdred is odd, but makes sense with the way Damdred has been acting. I think you are purposely over analyzing his Tronak post and thirdly I see absolutely nothing wrong with his post in your third point. You also made it a point to point out that you know you are town...asking us to "keep it in mind". Was that part really necessary unless you want to make yourself seem as townie as possible so that everyone buys your version of the argument. Not to mention seeming overanxious to get opinions on your post. You were probably better off just not saying anything else, then trying to bug players into commenting.
I am going with this for now.
##Vote: Snarfs
so let's talk about this post
His comment on Damdred is odd, but makes sense with the way Damdred has been acting.
no it doesn't, not like he said it. he made a pretty good argument for why Damdred was mafia and then said "but I don't read you as mafia yet." I already went over this, it didn't make sense at the time and no ex post facto arguments about Damdred's more recent towniness changes this
I think you are purposely over analyzing his Tronak post and thirdly I see absolutely nothing wrong with his post in your third point.
how about actually demonstrating how he's overanalyzing at all, let alone purposeful? this is all buzzwords and glittering generalities when unsubstantiated with an explanation
and if you see nothing wrong with the behavior he cited in his 3rd argument against Node, why aren't you explaining it?
You also made it a point to point out that you know you are town...asking us to "keep it in mind". Was that part really necessary unless you want to make yourself seem as townie as possible so that everyone buys your version of the argument.
here we have actual overanalyzing of one part of what Snarfs said (the "keep in mind" bit)... while somehow also missing the actual point ("but he doesn't [meaning that he has no other reason to believe Snarfs is town]... and if he thinks I'm mafia for X, and that me doing Y doesn't change this, why would he townread me for continuing to do Y?")
Not to mention seeming overanxious to get opinions on your post. You were probably better off just not saying anything else, then trying to bug players into commenting.
there is literally nothing wrong with trying to get more opinions on a post. if he believes in it he absolutely should. why is he coaching a player he's scumreading here? if he's not, wtf is he doing?
we should lynch this guy
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like congratulations on actually getting a full pbp analysis out of me, I never ever do them because they're almost always at least partially wrong (one or more points not actually being suspicious). you have written a post so thoroughly suspicious that I feel I can do a completely valid pbpa on it
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On February 25 2015 12:39 _Tormented_ wrote:Show nested quote +
1) what about Artanis's behavior made you think he was "trying very hard to seem town"?
2) what about my posting was "obtuse," as you put it before?
3) what about the other 10 people you gave reads on?
4) what about the changes if any on any of those 12 reads?
1.) Just the feeling I got by reading all the different directions he was going in. Now he is either misguided or mafia. He wrote an essay with no real evidence against me and has done pretty much nothing else since to help the town besides get mad at yamato for changing his mind. 2.) You were obtuse because you were just spamming random useless shit with no value. On further observations, you are more than likely town. 3.) I had no other real reads, I just put town as a placeholder. I still think ksc is more scummy than SL in that argument. 4.) damdred is more than likely town as is Prob.
ok so
1) isn't correct in my reading. Artanis's reasoning was pretty solid imo given that you didn't explain what you said in 3 here
3) why the fuck would you call them town if you have no read on them???? wtf
i just don't get this dude lmao
idc about his #2, i tend to get newer players thinking i'm mafia due to earlygame spam so it means nothing to me either way. he's right about ksc > sl and damd, prob town, but i also feel like those are easy reads rn. shrug
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nah fuck it
having a Zen moment. Tormented is a distraction. Yeah I don't get where he's coming from but that doesn't make him mafia. I don't like his posts, but it feels like it's too easy. Like I'm supposed to want to lynch him because I think his content is poor, even though in reality what matters early isn't poor content but the absence of content.
We're not lynching Tormented today. Lemme read some more before I go to sleep and see where I'm at
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tbh I could lynch yamato for a couple of reasons:
(1) don't like a couple of his reads. I feel like he has no good reason to be keeping Artie in null and on further reflection, his Tormented and Kelsier suspicions seem too easy
(2) it is really odd how he complains about the game direction while (a) having 3-4 townreads and a couple of scumreads who are viable d1 lynches, per his filter, and (b) how he's been one of the more active and involved posters in the thread. I'm not even sure I have as many reads as he does right now (though I could be wrong) and I think the thread direction is fine, as long as the rest of the turn isn't stagnant.
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##VOTE: yamato77
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you made a towncase and called me mafia for it
thanks bud.
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On February 25 2015 16:52 yamato77 wrote:
you made a towncase and called me mafia for it
thanks bud.
great response, would not lynch for it
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##VOTE: yamato77
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Here I'll show you the towncase:
having 3-4 townreads and a couple of scumreads who are viable d1 lynches, per his filter
he's been one of the more active and involved posters in the thread
I'm not even sure I have as many reads as he does right now
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That's solid townplay if I've ever seen it.
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why on earth are you complaining about the thread direction then?? makes no sense to me why you'd be upset at the way things are going if your two main scumreads atm are the guys most being discussed for a lynch and if you're getting a few townreads along the way
or put another way, if the thread direction is bad, what are you doing about it?
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I am jumping in almost all players filters... this made me stop:
On February 25 2015 08:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
As for reads yamato, my schedule has been particularly brutal as of Monday. I'll try to look at stuff after iris tonight.
QUOTE]On February 25 2015 10:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm not going to lie, I have zero clue what is going on in thread right now. I don't know who is a suspect, who looks scummy to whom. This hasn't been a particularly productive day so I'm going to attempt to re-read later tonight to see if I pick up on anything.[/QUOTE]
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On February 25 2015 14:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
Meh.
I know I'd never say anything as terrible as 'I don't think you're scum yet' as scum.
Trying to work up the motivation to re-read. I probably should too since I won't be around for deadline.
Guess you did not had time to re-read and clear up your thoughts? I am interested in your opinion.
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No one read my case on SL? That sucks.
This looks good though
##unvote
##vote yamato77
You seem too anxious to prove yourself town than actually find a mafia.
Eden's case is ok too.
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Shining should have just not played or replaced out earlier
Replacements after d1 is bullshit
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Or we could lynch tormented then lynch Eden if he flips town
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Or we could lynch sl and lynch mafia.
Id probably be ok with these 4 lynches.
Eden,sl,Yamato. Either of those T guys.
But its a newbie game and that feels mean.
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On February 25 2015 16:47 Eden1892 wrote:
tbh I could lynch yamato for a couple of reasons:
(1) don't like a couple of his reads. I feel like he has no good reason to be keeping Artie in null and on further reflection, his Tormented and Kelsier suspicions seem too easy
(2) it is really odd how he complains about the game direction while (a) having 3-4 townreads and a couple of scumreads who are viable d1 lynches, per his filter, and (b) how he's been one of the more active and involved posters in the thread. I'm not even sure I have as many reads as he does right now (though I could be wrong) and I think the thread direction is fine, as long as the rest of the turn isn't stagnant.
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##VOTE: yamato77
I could jump in this train since Yamato is still suspicious for me. I was hoping Yamato to answer my "summary" post and later reminder. Not sure if he didnt answer because: a) my points could harm him b) my arguments are so "noob" that not worth answering me.
However I want also to jump in Yamatos & Sicklucker train and lynch Kelsier for filling 3 pages of rubish in a thread that was taking a good direction (deeper analysis were going on).
About this, Eden what made you abandon your line of scum arguments on Kelsier? Just his case on sicklucker? You considered Yamato a better target? or any other thing I cant arrive to see?
Finally, trying to follow up a bit the points I opened yesterday here:
On February 24 2015 22:21 Tronak wrote:
After re-reading all, Going to throw some open questions and my thinkings about them:
1) Snarfs, why would you suggest a RNG voting being town and a veteran player?
Either was a simple way to make fellow townies show up them selves or in my newbie opinion should be read as a scummy post.
2) Artanis' opening: why would you introduce Mayors voting if game setup is given?
Opening joke? Mayor is usually a starting point and you didnt read game setup? This follows another game? If not, I would read your post as mafia. If yes, is
-Yamato quickly (1min later) votes for lyching Artanis . And Mayor joke appears again. Why?
I can only read 2 mafias trying to create confusion, but I would be happy to hear what you both think about this.
3) Tormented throws his bomb list.
Want to think, Tormented thought similar to me (above) and when pressured by Artanis to give his reads made a quick list pointing out both names (Artanis and Yamato). Would mafia do this? I dont think so, it was too early from my point of view, too much to lose.
4) Probulous accuses Damdred: I like Probolous' read and arguments given against Damdred so much that when I first read his post all my senses were focused on analysing Damdred's following posts. Up to this point, I think Probolous wins the mini batle and Damdred will need to give futher arguments to convince me about his alignment.
5) Yamato appears again to switch completly thread's focus and focus on Tormented again giving good arguments based on filtered history. Snarfs looks like aproving this switch very fast and Artanis pushes this line further in his last post.
If Yamato/Snarf or Artanis were mafia, would they like to lynch a "tormented" townie and use this line to save a suspected Damdred? Sure!
Conclusion: despite all guides about Mafia I have read suggest scum wouldn't be so active in the first hours of the game, from my point of view so far, all makes me think that at least 1 or 2 scums must be between the list of names mentioned in this post (with no exceptions). However I can't arrive to single point any of them and the innocents should also be very valuable for the town. I see the names not mentioned in this post as townies so far. So, I hope your answers for my wall of text clear my way.
- My initial opinions about Scarfs-Artanis and Yamatos openings were weak as those who have talked about this (Scarfs – Artanis and guess Kelsier in his way) pointed out. I had a fast look on other Mafia games and checked that is true that game openings are full of trollish bullshit (guess no news for the veterans, they were for me though).
-Also going to stop, for now, my soft push on Artanis despite he also keeps being suspicious in my newbie thinking since although I can now understand his case on Tormented, I don't buy it. All accussations on Tormented seem weak to me so far, this is a feeling not something very rational. However, I can’t abandon the idea that Artanis may want us to follow a dead line just based on how well timed his case came into the thread. After putting all this toguether, it looks like nobody gonna follow my point and my potential vote on Artanis would be futile, so I decided I’ll gather more and better information in the future.
-My actual thinking on other people mentioned in my post:
(i) Probulous: a good but unsuccessfull case on Damdred which he abandons, and in general short townie looking good interventions. Can’t read on him.
(ii) Damdred: I am know convinced by his own defense and most players opinion that he must be town.
-And to add my fresh honest thinkings about the rest:
(i) WaveShadow: cant read him other than town so far.
(ii) Node: I read him town as explained in previous posts. Scarfs case on him didnt make me change my mind.
(iii) Scarfs: null about him with big fear of losing what I find so far a very usefull player for my learning.
(iv) The Shining: ( empty )
(v) Eden: I like how she pushes, should be town.
(vi) sicklucker: cant read him properly, I think if he keeps being so selective in his appeareances he could enter in my suspicious list easyly.
Conclusion: I will wait some more before voting for Yamato or Kelsier based on what others may bring on the table unless something really new appears that makes me change completly my mind.
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So conclusion is to wait on whoever gets the most traction and then join that wagon?
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