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_Tormented_
Profile Joined February 2015
United States157 Posts
February 24 2015 23:20 GMT
#461
On February 25 2015 08:19 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 08:19 _Tormented_ wrote:
On February 25 2015 08:16 yamato77 wrote:
tormented, how about you post some updated reads?


Anything I would say would be guess work at best at the moment honestly. Take that for what you will.

the entire game is guesswork


I would like to know why artanis is dead set on me and then jumps down your throat when you seem to waver.
The good news about computers is that they do what you tell them to do. The bad news is that they do what you tell them to do.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 24 2015 23:20 GMT
#462
On February 25 2015 08:08 Damdred wrote:
Look at Eden and five,me your thoughts kel


I get the same impression of him, a lot of his play seems , opportunistic. His post about node was just "you called him mafia, but you did the same thing" I didn't really like that at all.



I'm looking at his play this game compared to the game in Titanic. what I have noticed is that he does give a lot of early town reads in that game.

On February 15 2015 08:20 Town Puppy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2015 08:19 Superbia wrote:
Puppy how comfortable are you calling me town? Were you in the Imperial Game? Or whichever one you referred to.

no

You can be town though


On February 15 2015 03:17 Town Puppy wrote:
ugh

Also this guy is town because his filter is already longer than it was after one cycle of play in Imperial.


On February 15 2015 08:19 Town Puppy wrote:
I got another townread!!

ritoky is having more fun this game than Imperial (town tell) and I forget who said it but I'm parroting the tier-above thing because it's right.

Man, every town read I get takes me one step closer to accepting Our Lord and Savior, RNGesus Christ


In titanic he gives a lot of easy town reads but he backs them up with reasons.

When he has been going this game is giving his town list.

On February 25 2015 06:33 Eden1892 wrote:
Actually I lied, I'm looking at filters instead.

Town pile:
Probulous
Artanis
sicklucker
Damdred
me
Wave?

Scum pile:
Kelsier

Null pile:
A lot of people lol


But he hasn't really given reason for any of them. Just yeh they are town.
So then I also look at this post of his about you.

On February 24 2015 14:06 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2015 12:41 Probulous wrote:
##Vote Damdred
First up he starts real wishy-washy, sure it's early game but you are accountable for your posts.
On February 24 2015 09:48 Damdred wrote:
I would so sheep you artanis, best mayor ever.
I am a relative newb expect little from me, except I rekt scum.

Also rng is out the window, we lynch scum today

I've explained before why that first post is scummy. OK, early game, give the guy a break.Then out of nowhere comes this
On February 24 2015 10:37 Damdred wrote:
Hts I think Eden is Scum. You didagree
On February 24 2015 10:50 Half the Sky wrote:
Damdred you also were in Titanic with us. Why do you think Eden is scum?
Which to me is a reasonable response from HTS. Especially since everything seems to be based on the fact that Eden is happy? Like what kind of reasoning is that? If there are other reason I'd like to hear them but Damdred never answered the question. Then instead of really pushing Eden to contribute more he just random switches to HTS.
On February 24 2015 11:40 Damdred wrote:
Hts is scum btw I think.
Tormented might of made a mistake. Hts is scum rhough
On February 24 2015 11:44 Damdred wrote:
Eden you feel so disconnected and out of it right now. I'm really really worrying you rolled scum with hts

OK we get a little more explanation about Eden even then its soft as shit. The sort of thing that scum thrives on.We get sweet fuck all about HTS. The guy has no case for why HTS or Eden really, are mafia but he is quite happy to spout it about the thread and when asked to explain gives no reasoning. Classic scum scare tactics. Then when someone, who I assume is reasonably experienced (Sorry if that offends you Wave), goes in a different direction, Damred straight up tech-switches again.
On February 24 2015 11:48 Damdred wrote:
Cool stuff wave.
Anyway I'll give Hts some more time but its a gut read on her so far.
That's what he thinks of us

For those that want to know what searing insight Wave provided for this road-to-damascus transformation (ok, that was harsh), here it is.
On February 24 2015 11:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 24 2015 11:40 Damdred wrote:
Hts is scum btw I think.
Tormented might of made a mistake. Hts is scum rhough

Might have.
##vote: damdred

A vote. He gets pressured and wilts. Instead of providing some explanation as to why he thinks HTS is scum, or perhaps trying to convince the rest of us to look into Eden and HTS, he simply gives up. Much easier to stay out of the spotlight and cast some suspicion around.

TLDR: Damdred starts by trying to lower expectations, calls Eden scum with little reasoning, calls HTS scum with even less and then backs off when given just a little pressure. Why would scum do this, well it provides nice cover if either of these two are up for a lynch without having to stick your neck out.

this guy is town and I might sheep him on Damdred tbh. I'm a little hesitant on Damdred being mafia because it is early and he could just be latching onto whatever he feels he could find, but I'm used to being able to understand Damdred's thought process to a reasonable extent when we're town together. I don't really get where/why he finds me or HTS suspicious. HTS isn't suspicious to me much at all, and the stuff that I'm doing that is weird/possibly suspicious is just standard fare early game banter with which Damdred ought be more familiar, esp. since we've played before.


So he had you as a maybe, but now you just enter his town pile. This feels like he is hedging his bets to see how the thread swings.

On February 25 2015 06:31 Eden1892 wrote:
I think HTS replaced out because she's mafia, now to go read the thread for people who probably aren't mafia due to that


This is shit tier.



overall his play feels less confident and more snipey, rather than being out there and making his voice heard.


Could lynch him easily.
Zerg for Life
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
February 24 2015 23:21 GMT
#463
On February 25 2015 08:15 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 08:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On February 25 2015 08:09 yamato77 wrote:
I'm not making unflipped associations, I'm judging my read on a player against how other people are reading them and what I think of the player doing the reading.

You're lessening a scumread on someone because someone you don't scumread but see as a "question mark" also scumreads him. I'd expect that from Vivax, but not you.

sick vivax burn

My read isn't weaker, it's simply that I'm unsure about committing to the lynch. The two are different.

Okay, that's fair I suppose.
On February 25 2015 08:16 _Tormented_ wrote:
@Artanis - What about my list gave you any impression at all that I was dead certain about anyone? You demanded reads, so I gave you what I was currently leaning toward at the time. I did not have the time to write an essay about each person and honestly I don't really trust any of my reads yet until I get accustomed to the pace at which you all play on this site. Also, I am not "paranoid", I just honestly don't have any concrete reads yet and any reads I would give would be 75% guess work right now. If that makes me mafia, then your loss.

The reason I'm scumreading you for it is because your first post mentioned you didn't have any strong reads at all. You never gave a reason for being hesitant on me other than being afraid of "aggressive scum", yet you never applied this reasoning to any of your townreads. Your paranoia was selective which doesn't correspond to a town thought process, but rather one where you're just making stuff up on the spot, and are thus mafia.

I was aware that those reads aren't dead certain, the point is that you didn't express that paranoia for anyone but myself and Eden in your reads without ever giving a reason why you'd be more paranoid of us than any of your townreads.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
February 24 2015 23:21 GMT
#464
On February 25 2015 08:20 _Tormented_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 08:19 yamato77 wrote:
On February 25 2015 08:19 _Tormented_ wrote:
On February 25 2015 08:16 yamato77 wrote:
tormented, how about you post some updated reads?


Anything I would say would be guess work at best at the moment honestly. Take that for what you will.

the entire game is guesswork


I would like to know why artanis is dead set on me and then jumps down your throat when you seem to waver.

That's fairly perceptive. What does it make you think of Artanis?
Writer@WriterYamato
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
February 24 2015 23:24 GMT
#465
>complete change of opinion on Damdred while some people (iirc) still scumread him
>"yeah he's hedging his bets about whether thread wants to lynch Damdred"

do you even read
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
February 24 2015 23:25 GMT
#466
Seriously eden, last night I explained my misgivings on you and hts. You asked I answered, after I answered wave took over. You haven't really responded to that still.

You reentered the thread called for policy lynch didn't act on it moved on to picking on node. Nowback to ksc.

You just aren't trying to figure things out but have the appearance at this point
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
February 24 2015 23:26 GMT
#467
##UNVOTE
##VOTE: _Tormented_
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
_Tormented_
Profile Joined February 2015
United States157 Posts
February 24 2015 23:27 GMT
#468
On February 25 2015 08:21 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 08:20 _Tormented_ wrote:
On February 25 2015 08:19 yamato77 wrote:
On February 25 2015 08:19 _Tormented_ wrote:
On February 25 2015 08:16 yamato77 wrote:
tormented, how about you post some updated reads?


Anything I would say would be guess work at best at the moment honestly. Take that for what you will.

the entire game is guesswork


I would like to know why artanis is dead set on me and then jumps down your throat when you seem to waver.

That's fairly perceptive. What does it make you think of Artanis?



Either 1. He is dead certain I am Mafia for some reason or 2. He wants to protect someone who has votes already and needed you to keep your vote there.
The good news about computers is that they do what you tell them to do. The bad news is that they do what you tell them to do.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 24 2015 23:27 GMT
#469
On February 25 2015 08:25 Damdred wrote:
Seriously eden, last night I explained my misgivings on you and hts. You asked I answered, after I answered wave took over. You haven't really responded to that still.

You reentered the thread called for policy lynch didn't act on it moved on to picking on node. Nowback to ksc.

You just aren't trying to figure things out but have the appearance at this point


lol you just asked me to read eden. wtf


Zerg for Life
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 24 2015 23:29 GMT
#470
On February 25 2015 07:50 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 07:40 _Tormented_ wrote:
On February 25 2015 07:33 yamato77 wrote:
I think ksc might be mafia.

I remember him being obstinate as town but not altogether unwilling to participate. He was much more forthcoming in the game I played with him.

I still kinda think tormented is town but it's more up in the air with Artanis being on the lynch as well and the question mark I have for him.


On February 25 2015 07:34 yamato77 wrote:
Tormented is mafia***

Don't phone post kids


You had it right the first time fyi. Also, I do agree ksc seems to be scrambling to make up for any reads that hts might have given away.


does this mean i'm mafia then?

This is kind of a scummy question. Agree/disagree?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
_Tormented_
Profile Joined February 2015
United States157 Posts
February 24 2015 23:29 GMT
#471
On February 25 2015 08:26 Eden1892 wrote:
##UNVOTE
##VOTE: _Tormented_



left field? You start losing the argument against damred and ksc so you try and pile on me?
The good news about computers is that they do what you tell them to do. The bad news is that they do what you tell them to do.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 24 2015 23:29 GMT
#472
On February 25 2015 08:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 07:50 KelsierSC wrote:
On February 25 2015 07:40 _Tormented_ wrote:
On February 25 2015 07:33 yamato77 wrote:
I think ksc might be mafia.

I remember him being obstinate as town but not altogether unwilling to participate. He was much more forthcoming in the game I played with him.

I still kinda think tormented is town but it's more up in the air with Artanis being on the lynch as well and the question mark I have for him.


On February 25 2015 07:34 yamato77 wrote:
Tormented is mafia***

Don't phone post kids


You had it right the first time fyi. Also, I do agree ksc seems to be scrambling to make up for any reads that hts might have given away.


does this mean i'm mafia then?

This is kind of a scummy question. Agree/disagree?


agree
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 24 2015 23:31 GMT
#473
I would still like your answer though Tormented
Zerg for Life
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
February 24 2015 23:32 GMT
#474
On February 25 2015 08:25 Damdred wrote:
Seriously eden, last night I explained my misgivings on you and hts. You asked I answered, after I answered wave took over. You haven't really responded to that still.

You reentered the thread called for policy lynch didn't act on it moved on to picking on node. Nowback to ksc.

You just aren't trying to figure things out but have the appearance at this point

you keep saying things without backing any of it up, what am I supposed to do about that? and "wave took over" lol what even is that

"picking on Node"? are both of you blind? I scumread Node for making this big post on you that all but called you mafia then put you in null/not necessarily mafia. He had a decent reply so I backed off of it. Then he did it again with Tarnok. That's pretty suspicious behavior to me, the only reason I'm off of it is b/c I did think Node's response to my first callout was ok and I read Artanis town and he's telling me he thinks Node is townish.

I want Tormented to explain his initial reads and then tell me what's changed in all the posts in-between.

Still think KSC is mafia b/c HTS wasn't doing anything (which is completely opposite her town game) and KSC hasn't done anything townie since he reentered the thread

This is so dumb that I even have to explain this. I'm pretty obviously town if you compare to any of my mafia games
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
February 24 2015 23:33 GMT
#475
On February 25 2015 08:29 _Tormented_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 08:26 Eden1892 wrote:
##UNVOTE
##VOTE: _Tormented_



left field? You start losing the argument against damred and ksc so you try and pile on me?

I remembered you never answered my initial probe about your reads list when yamato mentioned that you should reevaluate. I'm not losing shit, how about you actually followup instead of deflecting?
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 24 2015 23:33 GMT
#476
On February 25 2015 08:29 _Tormented_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 08:26 Eden1892 wrote:
##UNVOTE
##VOTE: _Tormented_



left field? You start losing the argument against damred and ksc so you try and pile on me?


was he losing?
Zerg for Life
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
February 24 2015 23:33 GMT
#477
On February 25 2015 08:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 07:50 KelsierSC wrote:
On February 25 2015 07:40 _Tormented_ wrote:
On February 25 2015 07:33 yamato77 wrote:
I think ksc might be mafia.

I remember him being obstinate as town but not altogether unwilling to participate. He was much more forthcoming in the game I played with him.

I still kinda think tormented is town but it's more up in the air with Artanis being on the lynch as well and the question mark I have for him.


On February 25 2015 07:34 yamato77 wrote:
Tormented is mafia***

Don't phone post kids


You had it right the first time fyi. Also, I do agree ksc seems to be scrambling to make up for any reads that hts might have given away.


does this mean i'm mafia then?

This is kind of a scummy question. Agree/disagree?

I don't get it
Why don't you explain it?
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 24 2015 23:34 GMT
#478
On February 25 2015 08:32 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 08:25 Damdred wrote:
Seriously eden, last night I explained my misgivings on you and hts. You asked I answered, after I answered wave took over. You haven't really responded to that still.

You reentered the thread called for policy lynch didn't act on it moved on to picking on node. Nowback to ksc.

You just aren't trying to figure things out but have the appearance at this point

you keep saying things without backing any of it up, what am I supposed to do about that? and "wave took over" lol what even is that

"picking on Node"? are both of you blind? I scumread Node for making this big post on you that all but called you mafia then put you in null/not necessarily mafia. He had a decent reply so I backed off of it. Then he did it again with Tarnok. That's pretty suspicious behavior to me, the only reason I'm off of it is b/c I did think Node's response to my first callout was ok and I read Artanis town and he's telling me he thinks Node is townish.

I want Tormented to explain his initial reads and then tell me what's changed in all the posts in-between.

Still think KSC is mafia b/c HTS wasn't doing anything (which is completely opposite her town game) and KSC hasn't done anything townie since he reentered the thread

This is so dumb that I even have to explain this. I'm pretty obviously town if you compare to any of my mafia games


apparently I have to "explain my reads"

no fun
Zerg for Life
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
February 24 2015 23:35 GMT
#479
On February 25 2015 08:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Damdred, why do you like Yamato?


He has thoughts pushes thoughts, has a good prwacense in the thread
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
February 24 2015 23:35 GMT
#480
On February 25 2015 08:34 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 08:32 Eden1892 wrote:
On February 25 2015 08:25 Damdred wrote:
Seriously eden, last night I explained my misgivings on you and hts. You asked I answered, after I answered wave took over. You haven't really responded to that still.

You reentered the thread called for policy lynch didn't act on it moved on to picking on node. Nowback to ksc.

You just aren't trying to figure things out but have the appearance at this point

you keep saying things without backing any of it up, what am I supposed to do about that? and "wave took over" lol what even is that

"picking on Node"? are both of you blind? I scumread Node for making this big post on you that all but called you mafia then put you in null/not necessarily mafia. He had a decent reply so I backed off of it. Then he did it again with Tarnok. That's pretty suspicious behavior to me, the only reason I'm off of it is b/c I did think Node's response to my first callout was ok and I read Artanis town and he's telling me he thinks Node is townish.

I want Tormented to explain his initial reads and then tell me what's changed in all the posts in-between.

Still think KSC is mafia b/c HTS wasn't doing anything (which is completely opposite her town game) and KSC hasn't done anything townie since he reentered the thread

This is so dumb that I even have to explain this. I'm pretty obviously town if you compare to any of my mafia games


apparently I have to "explain my reads"

no fun

???
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
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