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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
February 25 2015 14:48 GMT
#661
Meh I know I shouldn't be thinking of policy lynching shining, but he got me as mafia before just afking meh.

Eden started playing and actually acting towny and his yelling at me sounded really to come from a genuine towny place, not many people following me, but eden really went head on at it which isn't really his scum game I think. really makes me not want to lynch him today.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
February 25 2015 14:50 GMT
#662
On February 25 2015 23:11 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 22:01 Damdred wrote:
On February 25 2015 21:58 Tronak wrote:
On February 25 2015 21:46 Damdred wrote:
Why is kel even mentioned at the end of your post when he's not in your paragraph really when you caught up on everyone?

really weird post


Not true, Kel is mentioned at the very start of my post, re-read it please.


You have no conclusions about him just questioning edens choices. But he's your top two lynch


would like a deeper explanation of this since you missed it.

Also only got ticketed once and always quit posting now when i'm on the road


i'll keep posting this till you answer probably
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 25 2015 14:51 GMT
#663
Alright. I agree his recent stuff has been good.

Id probably lynch sl or Yamato. I would lynch either of yhr two noob T's but id feel bad lynching a nooby on d1 and they could easily be town just coming across badly.
tapas can you just pick one of Yamato or me for who you would lynch right now. This is actually important to me.
Zerg for Life
Tronak
Profile Joined February 2015
Spain217 Posts
February 25 2015 15:12 GMT
#664
On February 25 2015 23:50 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 23:11 Damdred wrote:
On February 25 2015 22:01 Damdred wrote:
On February 25 2015 21:58 Tronak wrote:
On February 25 2015 21:46 Damdred wrote:
Why is kel even mentioned at the end of your post when he's not in your paragraph really when you caught up on everyone?

really weird post


Not true, Kel is mentioned at the very start of my post, re-read it please.


You have no conclusions about him just questioning edens choices. But he's your top two lynch


would like a deeper explanation of this since you missed it.

Also only got ticketed once and always quit posting now when i'm on the road


i'll keep posting this till you answer probably


Firsty, sorry, I missed it everytime until your last reminder (missed 1st and your self quotes tricked me later since I hadnt opened those).

Kel is high in my list for these simple reasons:
-He trolled and trolled in his opening and following pages = I hate that because doesnt help the thread (same as Kels and Eden's recent SC spam). Why would a town do that? For having fun? What if whole town would join the trolling? In that case I will get lost in unusefull information, not what I expect as townie, neither as a wannabe good mafia student.
-I liked Eden push on him last night which by it self was giving enough reasons to put a big "SCUM" warning on Kel's nose. Kel's reaction was again same trollish behauvioir which I cant understand either.




LeaVe & LeT DiE
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 25 2015 15:18 GMT
#665
On February 26 2015 00:12 Tronak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 23:50 Damdred wrote:
On February 25 2015 23:11 Damdred wrote:
On February 25 2015 22:01 Damdred wrote:
On February 25 2015 21:58 Tronak wrote:
On February 25 2015 21:46 Damdred wrote:
Why is kel even mentioned at the end of your post when he's not in your paragraph really when you caught up on everyone?

really weird post


Not true, Kel is mentioned at the very start of my post, re-read it please.


You have no conclusions about him just questioning edens choices. But he's your top two lynch


would like a deeper explanation of this since you missed it.

Also only got ticketed once and always quit posting now when i'm on the road


i'll keep posting this till you answer probably


Firsty, sorry, I missed it everytime until your last reminder (missed 1st and your self quotes tricked me later since I hadnt opened those).

Kel is high in my list for these simple reasons:
-He trolled and trolled in his opening and following pages = I hate that because doesnt help the thread (same as Kels and Eden's recent SC spam). Why would a town do that? For having fun? What if whole town would join the trolling? In that case I will get lost in unusefull information, not what I expect as townie, neither as a wannabe good mafia student.
-I liked Eden push on him last night which by it self was giving enough reasons to put a big "SCUM" warning on Kel's nose. Kel's reaction was again same trollish behauvioir which I cant understand either.






you're not fun.


Zerg for Life
Tronak
Profile Joined February 2015
Spain217 Posts
February 25 2015 15:21 GMT
#666
On February 25 2015 23:51 KelsierSC wrote:
tapas can you just pick one of Yamato or me for who you would lynch right now. This is actually important to me.


Tbh sausage, I have about 6-7 hours in front of me to take my decision. I havent read any solid new argumentations to push me one way or the other (Wave believes Yamato is town, Artanis is not sure about him being mafia). Sorry for not being able to help you now.
LeaVe & LeT DiE
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 25 2015 15:23 GMT
#667
I'm not asking you to never move your vote, I just want to know which way you would vote now.

Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 25 2015 15:27 GMT
#668
if you can't decide what you are saying is that all these "suspicions " you have on yamato roughly equate to the same value as a read which is "he was sort of trolling so he is mafia"
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 25 2015 15:29 GMT
#669
does anyone do cryptic crosswords btw?
Zerg for Life
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
February 25 2015 15:32 GMT
#670
On February 25 2015 23:34 Tronak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 23:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I don't understand why you aren't pushing it though since as you've mentioned both Yamato and Snarfs have echoed your suspicions, so I ask my question again. Where do I rank between your other two suspects and can you elaborate on why?


I cant push something no one believes (Yamato and Scarfs pointed at you but never supported my arguments) based on apparently "weak" arguments. I think this would only disturb town thinking.

You cant be between my other 2 suspects, you are on a side, completly parked for now and by now I mean D1 unless a good case (much better than mine) appears on you.

Cant see why you need more elaboration. Please enlighten me if you really need it. While writing this, I am starting to think you are just testing me now, which brings me to think you are town or a very clever mafia player. Since I believe you are clever and skilled enough to overskill me easyly, by the moment I don't want to dedicate much more time on you, since I would rather focus on my strongest suspects and whatever new starts to boil in the thread.


I think this post is very townie because the paranoia is very well articulated and omnipresent in everything, as well as having a very clear idea about what to him is acting in the best interest of town and being congruent in it.

This in contrast to Tormented for which, I once again repeat, no one has found a viable explanation regarding his sudden shift in thoughts.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
February 25 2015 15:32 GMT
#671
Also I'll be gone for a while leading up to the lynch in like 1h until about 1hour before deadline.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 25 2015 15:36 GMT
#672
On February 26 2015 00:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 23:34 Tronak wrote:
On February 25 2015 23:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I don't understand why you aren't pushing it though since as you've mentioned both Yamato and Snarfs have echoed your suspicions, so I ask my question again. Where do I rank between your other two suspects and can you elaborate on why?


I cant push something no one believes (Yamato and Scarfs pointed at you but never supported my arguments) based on apparently "weak" arguments. I think this would only disturb town thinking.

You cant be between my other 2 suspects, you are on a side, completly parked for now and by now I mean D1 unless a good case (much better than mine) appears on you.

Cant see why you need more elaboration. Please enlighten me if you really need it. While writing this, I am starting to think you are just testing me now, which brings me to think you are town or a very clever mafia player. Since I believe you are clever and skilled enough to overskill me easyly, by the moment I don't want to dedicate much more time on you, since I would rather focus on my strongest suspects and whatever new starts to boil in the thread.


I think this post is very townie because the paranoia is very well articulated and omnipresent in everything, as well as having a very clear idea about what to him is acting in the best interest of town and being congruent in it.

This in contrast to Tormented for which, I once again repeat, no one has found a viable explanation regarding his sudden shift in thoughts.


i'm reading through your filter and despite a lot of posting all I can see is Tormented is mafia. which is kind of stupid considering he is a new player and probably pretty hard to read.

you've basically called a lot of people town. It will be interesting to see what you do when you are forced to lynch one of them.
Zerg for Life
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
February 25 2015 15:38 GMT
#673
On February 26 2015 00:36 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2015 00:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On February 25 2015 23:34 Tronak wrote:
On February 25 2015 23:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I don't understand why you aren't pushing it though since as you've mentioned both Yamato and Snarfs have echoed your suspicions, so I ask my question again. Where do I rank between your other two suspects and can you elaborate on why?


I cant push something no one believes (Yamato and Scarfs pointed at you but never supported my arguments) based on apparently "weak" arguments. I think this would only disturb town thinking.

You cant be between my other 2 suspects, you are on a side, completly parked for now and by now I mean D1 unless a good case (much better than mine) appears on you.

Cant see why you need more elaboration. Please enlighten me if you really need it. While writing this, I am starting to think you are just testing me now, which brings me to think you are town or a very clever mafia player. Since I believe you are clever and skilled enough to overskill me easyly, by the moment I don't want to dedicate much more time on you, since I would rather focus on my strongest suspects and whatever new starts to boil in the thread.


I think this post is very townie because the paranoia is very well articulated and omnipresent in everything, as well as having a very clear idea about what to him is acting in the best interest of town and being congruent in it.

This in contrast to Tormented for which, I once again repeat, no one has found a viable explanation regarding his sudden shift in thoughts.


i'm reading through your filter and despite a lot of posting all I can see is Tormented is mafia. which is kind of stupid considering he is a new player and probably pretty hard to read.

you've basically called a lot of people town. It will be interesting to see what you do when you are forced to lynch one of them.

I agree new players tend to be hard to read, but I find his change of mindset and inconsistencies incompatible with a town mindset. I believe I've found mafia, I see no one able to counter my argument other than a weak "he's a new player" which doesn't actually invalidate the point, so I'm going to keep driving it home until he gets lynched.

I'm willing to lynch Yamato as well though. I believe I've made that clear.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 25 2015 15:44 GMT
#674
Shits really hard. I've tried. You have to know all those tricks and what keywords to look for going in.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 25 2015 15:44 GMT
#675
On February 26 2015 00:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2015 00:36 KelsierSC wrote:
On February 26 2015 00:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On February 25 2015 23:34 Tronak wrote:
On February 25 2015 23:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I don't understand why you aren't pushing it though since as you've mentioned both Yamato and Snarfs have echoed your suspicions, so I ask my question again. Where do I rank between your other two suspects and can you elaborate on why?


I cant push something no one believes (Yamato and Scarfs pointed at you but never supported my arguments) based on apparently "weak" arguments. I think this would only disturb town thinking.

You cant be between my other 2 suspects, you are on a side, completly parked for now and by now I mean D1 unless a good case (much better than mine) appears on you.

Cant see why you need more elaboration. Please enlighten me if you really need it. While writing this, I am starting to think you are just testing me now, which brings me to think you are town or a very clever mafia player. Since I believe you are clever and skilled enough to overskill me easyly, by the moment I don't want to dedicate much more time on you, since I would rather focus on my strongest suspects and whatever new starts to boil in the thread.


I think this post is very townie because the paranoia is very well articulated and omnipresent in everything, as well as having a very clear idea about what to him is acting in the best interest of town and being congruent in it.

This in contrast to Tormented for which, I once again repeat, no one has found a viable explanation regarding his sudden shift in thoughts.


i'm reading through your filter and despite a lot of posting all I can see is Tormented is mafia. which is kind of stupid considering he is a new player and probably pretty hard to read.

you've basically called a lot of people town. It will be interesting to see what you do when you are forced to lynch one of them.

I agree new players tend to be hard to read, but I find his change of mindset and inconsistencies incompatible with a town mindset. I believe I've found mafia, I see no one able to counter my argument other than a weak "he's a new player" which doesn't actually invalidate the point, so I'm going to keep driving it home until he gets lynched.

I'm willing to lynch Yamato as well though. I believe I've made that clear.


True I misread one of your posts.

Can you explain this point to me.

On February 25 2015 07:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 04:49 Damdred wrote:
On February 25 2015 04:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On February 25 2015 04:18 Damdred wrote:
Was driving oj these roads of mine.

Your case isn't bad art. I am hesitant just because I could see a newb new to tl doing it just ad much as scum, does it make him town no it makes him more likely scum.

Wave you are like talking to a brick wall. 6 hours into the game Hts barely has half a page of posts probably with very little actually to go on. Not enough to convince others yet, better to get more information.


I displayed how his thought process is inconsistent. It doesn't make sense from a town perspective, newbie or not doesn't come into it.

On February 25 2015 04:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 25 2015 04:18 Damdred wrote:
Was driving oj these roads of mine.

Your case isn't bad art. I am hesitant just because I could see a newb new to tl doing it just ad much as scum, does it make him town no it makes him more likely scum.

Wave you are like talking to a brick wall. 6 hours into the game Hts barely has half a page of posts probably with very little actually to go on. Not enough to convince others yet, better to get more information.


THE WHY WERE YOU SO OCNFIDENT OF HIS SCUMMINESS TO BEGIN WITH

Am I the only one seeing this?
Somebody please let me know.

Comment on my case and I may let you know.


I'm not saying your wrong I'm just saying that where he comes from its not that uncommon a thing to do and besides that pace is different and he's never been asked to hive reads on day one. So I'm a little hesitant

That's all fine and dandy, but that doesn't explain his sudden change from paranoia to giving concrete reads on everyone except the people he claimed to be paranoid of despite being paranoid of everyone just a few moments ago.

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On February 25 2015 05:29 Snarfs wrote:
Artanis, I think you're suspicious. That's why I'm asking other people their opinion on you. I think you said a lot of nothing yesterday before leaving and that your case on Tormented is not adding more than a single line could, but it conveniently fills lots of space nicely.

What nothing did I say beyond the initial game trolling and how would you explain my point on Tormented in a single line? I felt it needed a narrative to drive the point home.

Your meta towncase on Node also feels arbitrary. You picked out an aspect that Node used in a town game and didn't use in his mafia game and presumed that it's alignment indicative because they're different, but correlation does not imply causation. Without having been in the game or reading them entirely, it's pretty much impossible to tell what drove him to post differently in that regard. Meta is useful for general trends but I don't believe the way you used it is indicative of anything. I could prove just about anything I wanted using a mafia and towngame of any one player.

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On February 25 2015 06:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yeah chances are damdred isn't scum.
If I were to continue playing as I normally would I'd probably tunnel him uselessly till days end but I'm sure there's a good reason people haven't picked up on what I found to be marginally significant.

I'll be looking elsewhere when I get the chance. I still want you to wow me with something though, damdred. I want to know why I lost one of those 2014 awards to you.

I don't like this defeatist attitude. I had a pretty good townread on you so far but this is weaksauce. I remember Wave in Shadow consistently going against the grain with his own thoughts and no matter what the other veterans said, he continued on his own thought pattern. I find this very atypical of townWave.

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On February 25 2015 06:31 Eden1892 wrote:
I think HTS replaced out because she's mafia, now to go read the thread for people who probably aren't mafia due to that

Can we please not do this?

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On February 25 2015 06:57 Tronak wrote:
On February 25 2015 03:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I also want more comments on my case.


I cant take seriously your case on Tormented, lyching someone for being paranoid on you during first posts while you were trolling around is not a solid argument from my point of view. First I thought you could be putting some pressure on Tormented, now I am thinking, again, you are trying to bring attention to a dead point, again.

That's not my argument at all. My argument is that he was paranoid of everyone at first, then when asked to give reads on people the only people he's paranoid of is the people he's mentioned before in his filter, and then there's that he separates between "town or mafia" and "no clue" for no apparent reason whatsoever.

Eden Node is probably town, stop pestering him. Pester this guy instead

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On February 25 2015 07:33 yamato77 wrote:
I think ksc might be mafia.

I remember him being obstinate as town but not altogether unwilling to participate. He was much more forthcoming in the game I played with him.

I still kinda think tormented is town mafia but it's more up in the air with Artanis being on the lynch as well and the question mark I have for him.

Are you seriously making unflipped associations right now?
Like, really?


so atyptical town wave

followed by

On February 25 2015 22:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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On February 25 2015 22:36 Eden1892 wrote:
Ah, one other thing about Wave. Earlier he said this:

On February 24 2015 15:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 24 2015 15:20 yamato77 wrote:
On February 24 2015 15:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
Am I included it those who 'liked the fact that he asked some questions?' Because I don't think I said anything of the sort. I believe my words were:
On February 24 2015 12:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 24 2015 10:40 _Tormented_ wrote:
@yamato what makes you support Artanis for mayor? Especially without hearing anyone else even lobby for it yet.

This one is curious.

It's typical new player fare.
He's pretty agreeable and gives the public exactly what they want---this works from both mafia and town perspectives for obvs reasons. I'm historically awful at reading new players and this is no exception tbh.



Now I think there's maybe something to it, but
a) all you're doing is basically taking the 'he must be mafia' side of the inconspicuous newbie argument
b) I'm not sure why you think it has more merit than Prob's point that I've latched onto. I don't really see a towny mindset behind Damdred's retraction.

I thought you were describing him as a curious person, not saying that he perplexes you in some way.

Anyway, I didn't say he had to be mafia, I'm just saying that it is textbook earlygame mafia play. He's not a complete noob, either.

And such is often the problem I have with newer players (doesn't have to be a complete noob for this to apply). Textbook mafia play often also looks like textbook 'I'm not sure what else to do here' noob play.

Now he's voting Tronak for... what? Something that I'd pretty much to the letter call "'I'm not sure what else to do here' noob play."

I'd almost rather lynch Wave over yamato. How about that? I like my arguments better for lynching him on further reflection.

##UNVOTE
##VOTE: WaveofShadow

I.. I was townreading him. Do I have to re-eval him too?
[image loading]



So you had wave as atypical town

then you town read him

but then had to reevaluate him again.

I'm interested why wave was suddenly in your town.
Zerg for Life
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
February 25 2015 15:58 GMT
#676
On February 26 2015 00:44 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2015 00:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On February 26 2015 00:36 KelsierSC wrote:
On February 26 2015 00:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On February 25 2015 23:34 Tronak wrote:
On February 25 2015 23:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I don't understand why you aren't pushing it though since as you've mentioned both Yamato and Snarfs have echoed your suspicions, so I ask my question again. Where do I rank between your other two suspects and can you elaborate on why?


I cant push something no one believes (Yamato and Scarfs pointed at you but never supported my arguments) based on apparently "weak" arguments. I think this would only disturb town thinking.

You cant be between my other 2 suspects, you are on a side, completly parked for now and by now I mean D1 unless a good case (much better than mine) appears on you.

Cant see why you need more elaboration. Please enlighten me if you really need it. While writing this, I am starting to think you are just testing me now, which brings me to think you are town or a very clever mafia player. Since I believe you are clever and skilled enough to overskill me easyly, by the moment I don't want to dedicate much more time on you, since I would rather focus on my strongest suspects and whatever new starts to boil in the thread.


I think this post is very townie because the paranoia is very well articulated and omnipresent in everything, as well as having a very clear idea about what to him is acting in the best interest of town and being congruent in it.

This in contrast to Tormented for which, I once again repeat, no one has found a viable explanation regarding his sudden shift in thoughts.


i'm reading through your filter and despite a lot of posting all I can see is Tormented is mafia. which is kind of stupid considering he is a new player and probably pretty hard to read.

you've basically called a lot of people town. It will be interesting to see what you do when you are forced to lynch one of them.

I agree new players tend to be hard to read, but I find his change of mindset and inconsistencies incompatible with a town mindset. I believe I've found mafia, I see no one able to counter my argument other than a weak "he's a new player" which doesn't actually invalidate the point, so I'm going to keep driving it home until he gets lynched.

I'm willing to lynch Yamato as well though. I believe I've made that clear.


True I misread one of your posts.

Can you explain this point to me.

Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 07:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On February 25 2015 04:49 Damdred wrote:
On February 25 2015 04:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On February 25 2015 04:18 Damdred wrote:
Was driving oj these roads of mine.

Your case isn't bad art. I am hesitant just because I could see a newb new to tl doing it just ad much as scum, does it make him town no it makes him more likely scum.

Wave you are like talking to a brick wall. 6 hours into the game Hts barely has half a page of posts probably with very little actually to go on. Not enough to convince others yet, better to get more information.


I displayed how his thought process is inconsistent. It doesn't make sense from a town perspective, newbie or not doesn't come into it.

On February 25 2015 04:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 25 2015 04:18 Damdred wrote:
Was driving oj these roads of mine.

Your case isn't bad art. I am hesitant just because I could see a newb new to tl doing it just ad much as scum, does it make him town no it makes him more likely scum.

Wave you are like talking to a brick wall. 6 hours into the game Hts barely has half a page of posts probably with very little actually to go on. Not enough to convince others yet, better to get more information.


THE WHY WERE YOU SO OCNFIDENT OF HIS SCUMMINESS TO BEGIN WITH

Am I the only one seeing this?
Somebody please let me know.

Comment on my case and I may let you know.


I'm not saying your wrong I'm just saying that where he comes from its not that uncommon a thing to do and besides that pace is different and he's never been asked to hive reads on day one. So I'm a little hesitant

That's all fine and dandy, but that doesn't explain his sudden change from paranoia to giving concrete reads on everyone except the people he claimed to be paranoid of despite being paranoid of everyone just a few moments ago.

On February 25 2015 05:29 Snarfs wrote:
Artanis, I think you're suspicious. That's why I'm asking other people their opinion on you. I think you said a lot of nothing yesterday before leaving and that your case on Tormented is not adding more than a single line could, but it conveniently fills lots of space nicely.

What nothing did I say beyond the initial game trolling and how would you explain my point on Tormented in a single line? I felt it needed a narrative to drive the point home.

Your meta towncase on Node also feels arbitrary. You picked out an aspect that Node used in a town game and didn't use in his mafia game and presumed that it's alignment indicative because they're different, but correlation does not imply causation. Without having been in the game or reading them entirely, it's pretty much impossible to tell what drove him to post differently in that regard. Meta is useful for general trends but I don't believe the way you used it is indicative of anything. I could prove just about anything I wanted using a mafia and towngame of any one player.

On February 25 2015 06:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yeah chances are damdred isn't scum.
If I were to continue playing as I normally would I'd probably tunnel him uselessly till days end but I'm sure there's a good reason people haven't picked up on what I found to be marginally significant.

I'll be looking elsewhere when I get the chance. I still want you to wow me with something though, damdred. I want to know why I lost one of those 2014 awards to you.

I don't like this defeatist attitude. I had a pretty good townread on you so far but this is weaksauce. I remember Wave in Shadow consistently going against the grain with his own thoughts and no matter what the other veterans said, he continued on his own thought pattern. I find this very atypical of townWave.

On February 25 2015 06:31 Eden1892 wrote:
I think HTS replaced out because she's mafia, now to go read the thread for people who probably aren't mafia due to that

Can we please not do this?

On February 25 2015 06:57 Tronak wrote:
On February 25 2015 03:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I also want more comments on my case.


I cant take seriously your case on Tormented, lyching someone for being paranoid on you during first posts while you were trolling around is not a solid argument from my point of view. First I thought you could be putting some pressure on Tormented, now I am thinking, again, you are trying to bring attention to a dead point, again.

That's not my argument at all. My argument is that he was paranoid of everyone at first, then when asked to give reads on people the only people he's paranoid of is the people he's mentioned before in his filter, and then there's that he separates between "town or mafia" and "no clue" for no apparent reason whatsoever.

Eden Node is probably town, stop pestering him. Pester this guy instead

On February 25 2015 07:33 yamato77 wrote:
I think ksc might be mafia.

I remember him being obstinate as town but not altogether unwilling to participate. He was much more forthcoming in the game I played with him.

I still kinda think tormented is town mafia but it's more up in the air with Artanis being on the lynch as well and the question mark I have for him.

Are you seriously making unflipped associations right now?
Like, really?


so atyptical town wave

followed by

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On February 25 2015 22:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On February 25 2015 22:36 Eden1892 wrote:
Ah, one other thing about Wave. Earlier he said this:

On February 24 2015 15:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 24 2015 15:20 yamato77 wrote:
On February 24 2015 15:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
Am I included it those who 'liked the fact that he asked some questions?' Because I don't think I said anything of the sort. I believe my words were:
On February 24 2015 12:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 24 2015 10:40 _Tormented_ wrote:
@yamato what makes you support Artanis for mayor? Especially without hearing anyone else even lobby for it yet.

This one is curious.

It's typical new player fare.
He's pretty agreeable and gives the public exactly what they want---this works from both mafia and town perspectives for obvs reasons. I'm historically awful at reading new players and this is no exception tbh.



Now I think there's maybe something to it, but
a) all you're doing is basically taking the 'he must be mafia' side of the inconspicuous newbie argument
b) I'm not sure why you think it has more merit than Prob's point that I've latched onto. I don't really see a towny mindset behind Damdred's retraction.

I thought you were describing him as a curious person, not saying that he perplexes you in some way.

Anyway, I didn't say he had to be mafia, I'm just saying that it is textbook earlygame mafia play. He's not a complete noob, either.

And such is often the problem I have with newer players (doesn't have to be a complete noob for this to apply). Textbook mafia play often also looks like textbook 'I'm not sure what else to do here' noob play.

Now he's voting Tronak for... what? Something that I'd pretty much to the letter call "'I'm not sure what else to do here' noob play."

I'd almost rather lynch Wave over yamato. How about that? I like my arguments better for lynching him on further reflection.

##UNVOTE
##VOTE: WaveofShadow

I.. I was townreading him. Do I have to re-eval him too?
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So you had wave as atypical town

then you town read him

but then had to reevaluate him again.

I'm interested why wave was suddenly in your town.

You missed one post in between those two which was this:
On February 25 2015 09:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Ugh, Cell isn't really comparable since the lynch pool is so limited so thread sentiment becomes much more likely to happen regardless and I tried getting through Guilty but then I realized determining what thread sentiment is pretty hard in hindsight so I guess I'm just gonna have to drop it.

I decided the heuristic I judged Wave to be different from his town games to be inconclusive to his alignment, and that was my main reason for finding him weird.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
February 25 2015 16:00 GMT
#677
Wave where's your head at now?
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 25 2015 16:00 GMT
#678
i don't understand how that post explains it
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 25 2015 16:01 GMT
#679
unless you mean the game you judge waves' town from was a cell game? I suppose that makes sense then
Zerg for Life
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
February 25 2015 16:01 GMT
#680
On February 26 2015 01:00 KelsierSC wrote:
i don't understand how that post explains it

I thought he was town before, then that post made me wonder, then I decided it wasn't something indicative and I stopped wondering.
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