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On February 26 2015 07:43 _Tormented_ wrote:
I am still not sure how Artanis can call Yamato's case against me weak and then continued to push me and then turn on yamato when he changed from me.
Uh?
Yamato's case was weak. The fact that he moved off of you for the reason he did was scummy. My scumread on him is independant but also compatible with my scumread on you given the ease of which he moved off of it. You're still my top scumspect, I just moved to Yamato because no one seemed willing to lynch you.
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On February 26 2015 07:37 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 07:30 _Tormented_ wrote:
Sigh...that post does seem rather towny. I do agree with your opinion of artanis, but I believe someone posted that he usually does tunnel someone they think is scum. So the fact that he provided very little else to the entire D1 could possibly be explained with that. I just really dislike that I need to go back and read to figure out who he thinks is scum. If he was tunneling I'm pretty sure I'd know off the top of my head. I think it was yamato?
Okay, I've made up my mind. You're scum.
There's no way you're reading the thread if you don't know who I've been going after all game long.
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I'm Snarfs' top suspect yet somehow he's missed how I've brought up Tormented time and time again.
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On February 26 2015 08:00 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 07:59 Probulous wrote:On February 26 2015 07:44 KelsierSC wrote:Furthermore when I questioned him about artanis he said this. On February 26 2015 03:12 sicklucker wrote:
Basically artanis is saying I try as hard when im scum which is true. He questions your scum read because im not really trying Firstly, this isn't what Artanis said at all. The second thing is that the way SL twisted it was to make Artanis look better? Like if someone lies about me why am I trying to help cover their lie. probably because most people were town reading Artanis, or he knows Artanis is town and doesn't want to call him mafia. This is what Artanis said "Why does scum sicklucker not give as much of a shit as town sicklucker in this position? From what I recall him saying he actively tries to be unreadable by not giving as much of a shit in general as town when it isn't necessary." Which sounds the same as SL not trying when he is town? Am I missing something KSC? it doesn't sound the same. he said he tries to be unreadable.. so why does SL make pains to point to a post that he says is "the best post/very towny"
I'm not sure on the exact quote but it was something along the lines of him not trying when he feels it isn't necessary to make it easier for him to emulate as either alignment.
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On February 26 2015 08:01 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 07:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On February 26 2015 07:37 Snarfs wrote:On February 26 2015 07:30 _Tormented_ wrote:
Sigh...that post does seem rather towny. I do agree with your opinion of artanis, but I believe someone posted that he usually does tunnel someone they think is scum. So the fact that he provided very little else to the entire D1 could possibly be explained with that. I just really dislike that I need to go back and read to figure out who he thinks is scum. If he was tunneling I'm pretty sure I'd know off the top of my head. I think it was yamato? Okay, I've made up my mind. You're scum. There's no way you're reading the thread if you don't know who I've been going after all game long. I was saying you aren't tunneling and that you switched off of tormented onto yamato. Feels like a pretty weak tunnel on Tormented if that's what it was. That is what I'm saying.
You said you needed to go back and read to figure out who is scum. It doesn't matter if you call it tunneling or whatever. I can quote the amount of times I've asked for opinions on Tormented and how many times I referred back to the case. There's no way you didn't know I was suspecting him if you were reading the thread.
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+ Show Spoiler [A weak tunnel] +On February 24 2015 19:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Good morning. Yamato is right on Tormented I think but his case is shit. Here's a good case. _Tormented_He starts out with a lot of posts not giving out any reads, so I ask him if he has any reads yet. He gives a very paranoid answer, something pretty typical for newbie town. Show nested quote +On February 24 2015 11:03 _Tormented_ wrote:
@Artanis, I am still working out people's play styles. For instance, I could say you try very hard to come off as town and increase activity in order to draw suspicion away from yourself or that could just be the way you are normally. Still forming my opinions honestly. He calls me possibly town, but maybe tryhard mafia. No real reasoning other than just pure paranoia. Initial town lean, but I wanted some more info, so I asked him if he couldn't give any reads anyhow. Show nested quote +On February 24 2015 11:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On February 24 2015 11:03 _Tormented_ wrote:
@Artanis, I am still working out people's play styles. For instance, I could say you try very hard to come off as town and increase activity in order to draw suspicion away from yourself or that could just be the way you are normally. Still forming my opinions honestly. Town and mafia explanations are possible for almost all actions. The question is: Which is more likely? Paranoia is fine and all but in the end you're going to have to make commitments with incomplete information. You don't have to give me 100% reads, just tell me where your head is now. What I was expecting here were a bunch of weak town reads, maybe a mafia lean here or there but nothing strong. Instead, this is what I get: Show nested quote +On February 24 2015 11:13 _Tormented_ wrote:
lol fine, here ya go before I have to leave work. Take it for what you will.
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1) Probulous (filter) - town
2) Artanis[Xp] (filter) - town or overly aggressive mafia
3) Half the Sky (filter) - town
4) sicklucker (filter) - town
5) Tronak (filter) - no clue
6) Yamato77 (filter) - mafia
7) _Tormented_ (filter) - town
8) Node (filter) - no clue
9) The Shining (filter) - no clue
10) Eden1892 (filter) - either mafia or he is just being obtuse for no reason
11) WaveofShadow (filter) - no clue
12) Damdred (filter) - town
13) snarfs (filter) - no clue Now what's interesting about this is that the only one he's actively paranoid of that has posted is the two people he's already commented on. The rest, apparently he's pretty happy calling town or mafia. It's this change in mindset that doesn't make any sense, especially taken into consideration he wasn't willing to commit on a read on me and Eden. For him to be town, his thought process would have to be: "I don't know anyone's playstyle so I don't trust anyone, except these 5 people I townread without an explanation whilst still leaving a question mark on the two people I already talked about." A mafia thought process is much simpler. First, when questioned on his reads, he stalls for time by saying he doesn't know people's styles yet. Then, when pressured to still give reads he tries to keep his story straight by being paranoid on the two people he's already commented on, but forgets to keep that same paranoia for the rest of the field. I feel his paranoia is feigned and I want to lynch him. ##Vote _Tormented_ On February 25 2015 03:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 00:26 _Tormented_ wrote:
Artanis, you asked for a read and I have a quick list on what I was currently feeling. I want about to sit there and give percentages on every person while I was late leaving from work. I know I am town, therefore I obviously have serious questionmarks about you and yamato. My point is that you committed to reads on everyone but me and Eden. What discerns your paranoia on me and Eden from the rest of your list? What makes us more "null" and why did you choose that wording rather than no clue which you used for others? On February 25 2015 03:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I get back and suddenly everyone goes afk again.
Damdred, you were here when I posted. What are your thoughts on the case? On February 25 2015 04:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 04:18 Damdred wrote:
Was driving oj these roads of mine.
Your case isn't bad art. I am hesitant just because I could see a newb new to tl doing it just ad much as scum, does it make him town no it makes him more likely scum.
Wave you are like talking to a brick wall. 6 hours into the game Hts barely has half a page of posts probably with very little actually to go on. Not enough to convince others yet, better to get more information.
I displayed how his thought process is inconsistent. It doesn't make sense from a town perspective, newbie or not doesn't come into it. Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 04:40 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 25 2015 04:18 Damdred wrote:
Was driving oj these roads of mine.
Your case isn't bad art. I am hesitant just because I could see a newb new to tl doing it just ad much as scum, does it make him town no it makes him more likely scum.
Wave you are like talking to a brick wall. 6 hours into the game Hts barely has half a page of posts probably with very little actually to go on. Not enough to convince others yet, better to get more information.
THE WHY WERE YOU SO OCNFIDENT OF HIS SCUMMINESS TO BEGIN WITH Am I the only one seeing this? Somebody please let me know. Comment on my case and I may let you know. On February 25 2015 07:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 04:49 Damdred wrote:On February 25 2015 04:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On February 25 2015 04:18 Damdred wrote:
Was driving oj these roads of mine.
Your case isn't bad art. I am hesitant just because I could see a newb new to tl doing it just ad much as scum, does it make him town no it makes him more likely scum.
Wave you are like talking to a brick wall. 6 hours into the game Hts barely has half a page of posts probably with very little actually to go on. Not enough to convince others yet, better to get more information.
I displayed how his thought process is inconsistent. It doesn't make sense from a town perspective, newbie or not doesn't come into it. On February 25 2015 04:40 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 25 2015 04:18 Damdred wrote:
Was driving oj these roads of mine.
Your case isn't bad art. I am hesitant just because I could see a newb new to tl doing it just ad much as scum, does it make him town no it makes him more likely scum.
Wave you are like talking to a brick wall. 6 hours into the game Hts barely has half a page of posts probably with very little actually to go on. Not enough to convince others yet, better to get more information.
THE WHY WERE YOU SO OCNFIDENT OF HIS SCUMMINESS TO BEGIN WITH Am I the only one seeing this? Somebody please let me know. Comment on my case and I may let you know. I'm not saying your wrong I'm just saying that where he comes from its not that uncommon a thing to do and besides that pace is different and he's never been asked to hive reads on day one. So I'm a little hesitant That's all fine and dandy, but that doesn't explain his sudden change from paranoia to giving concrete reads on everyone except the people he claimed to be paranoid of despite being paranoid of everyone just a few moments ago. Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 05:29 Snarfs wrote:
Artanis, I think you're suspicious. That's why I'm asking other people their opinion on you. I think you said a lot of nothing yesterday before leaving and that your case on Tormented is not adding more than a single line could, but it conveniently fills lots of space nicely. What nothing did I say beyond the initial game trolling and how would you explain my point on Tormented in a single line? I felt it needed a narrative to drive the point home. Your meta towncase on Node also feels arbitrary. You picked out an aspect that Node used in a town game and didn't use in his mafia game and presumed that it's alignment indicative because they're different, but correlation does not imply causation. Without having been in the game or reading them entirely, it's pretty much impossible to tell what drove him to post differently in that regard. Meta is useful for general trends but I don't believe the way you used it is indicative of anything. I could prove just about anything I wanted using a mafia and towngame of any one player. Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 06:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yeah chances are damdred isn't scum.
If I were to continue playing as I normally would I'd probably tunnel him uselessly till days end but I'm sure there's a good reason people haven't picked up on what I found to be marginally significant.
I'll be looking elsewhere when I get the chance. I still want you to wow me with something though, damdred. I want to know why I lost one of those 2014 awards to you. I don't like this defeatist attitude. I had a pretty good townread on you so far but this is weaksauce. I remember Wave in Shadow consistently going against the grain with his own thoughts and no matter what the other veterans said, he continued on his own thought pattern. I find this very atypical of townWave. Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 06:31 Eden1892 wrote:
I think HTS replaced out because she's mafia, now to go read the thread for people who probably aren't mafia due to that Can we please not do this? Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 06:57 Tronak wrote:On February 25 2015 03:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I also want more comments on my case. I cant take seriously your case on Tormented, lyching someone for being paranoid on you during first posts while you were trolling around is not a solid argument from my point of view. First I thought you could be putting some pressure on Tormented, now I am thinking, again, you are trying to bring attention to a dead point, again. That's not my argument at all. My argument is that he was paranoid of everyone at first, then when asked to give reads on people the only people he's paranoid of is the people he's mentioned before in his filter, and then there's that he separates between "town or mafia" and "no clue" for no apparent reason whatsoever. Eden Node is probably town, stop pestering him. Pester this guy instead Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 07:33 yamato77 wrote:
I think ksc might be mafia.
I remember him being obstinate as town but not altogether unwilling to participate. He was much more forthcoming in the game I played with him.
I still kinda think tormented is town mafia but it's more up in the air with Artanis being on the lynch as well and the question mark I have for him. Are you seriously making unflipped associations right now? Like, really? On February 25 2015 08:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 08:15 yamato77 wrote:On February 25 2015 08:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On February 25 2015 08:09 yamato77 wrote:
I'm not making unflipped associations, I'm judging my read on a player against how other people are reading them and what I think of the player doing the reading. You're lessening a scumread on someone because someone you don't scumread but see as a "question mark" also scumreads him. I'd expect that from Vivax, but not you. sick vivax burn My read isn't weaker, it's simply that I'm unsure about committing to the lynch. The two are different. Okay, that's fair I suppose. Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 08:16 _Tormented_ wrote:
@Artanis - What about my list gave you any impression at all that I was dead certain about anyone? You demanded reads, so I gave you what I was currently leaning toward at the time. I did not have the time to write an essay about each person and honestly I don't really trust any of my reads yet until I get accustomed to the pace at which you all play on this site. Also, I am not "paranoid", I just honestly don't have any concrete reads yet and any reads I would give would be 75% guess work right now. If that makes me mafia, then your loss. The reason I'm scumreading you for it is because your first post mentioned you didn't have any strong reads at all. You never gave a reason for being hesitant on me other than being afraid of "aggressive scum", yet you never applied this reasoning to any of your townreads. Your paranoia was selective which doesn't correspond to a town thought process, but rather one where you're just making stuff up on the spot, and are thus mafia. I was aware that those reads aren't dead certain, the point is that you didn't express that paranoia for anyone but myself and Eden in your reads without ever giving a reason why you'd be more paranoid of us than any of your townreads. On February 25 2015 09:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 09:29 yamato77 wrote:
So artanis, what exactly do you think of me? Leaning mafia, but I think the case on Tormented is better. Reading Cell right now I notice WoS bashing meta. I chuckled. On February 25 2015 22:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 22:07 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 25 2015 22:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Damdred stop posting whilst driving, you're a traffic hazard Yeah seriously, haven't you been ticketed multiple times because of that? And Artanis if that isn't helpful why aren't you voting Yamato with the rest of these guys? Because I'm not sure yet if he's a better lynch than Tormented. I'm still rereading what's been posted since I went to bed too. On February 25 2015 22:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Eden how are you so sure that Tormented is a distraction lynch over just, you know, actually being scum? I've established how his thought process makes no sense and no one has come up with a reasonable argument against it. On February 25 2015 22:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Also I don't think your wave case is that strong. I pointed out that he was adhering more to thread sentiment already here and he replied that he's changing his meta. I actually feel like he's been probing people's thoughts for the most part in the rest of the game. I also don't think his suspicion of Tronak is contradictory; he could simply find it stronger than the case on Tormented, though I still don't understand why people keep ignoring that case. On February 26 2015 00:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 23:34 Tronak wrote:On February 25 2015 23:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I don't understand why you aren't pushing it though since as you've mentioned both Yamato and Snarfs have echoed your suspicions, so I ask my question again. Where do I rank between your other two suspects and can you elaborate on why? I cant push something no one believes (Yamato and Scarfs pointed at you but never supported my arguments) based on apparently "weak" arguments. I think this would only disturb town thinking. You cant be between my other 2 suspects, you are on a side, completly parked for now and by now I mean D1 unless a good case (much better than mine) appears on you. Cant see why you need more elaboration. Please enlighten me if you really need it. While writing this, I am starting to think you are just testing me now, which brings me to think you are town or a very clever mafia player. Since I believe you are clever and skilled enough to overskill me easyly, by the moment I don't want to dedicate much more time on you, since I would rather focus on my strongest suspects and whatever new starts to boil in the thread. I think this post is very townie because the paranoia is very well articulated and omnipresent in everything, as well as having a very clear idea about what to him is acting in the best interest of town and being congruent in it. This in contrast to Tormented for which, I once again repeat, no one has found a viable explanation regarding his sudden shift in thoughts. On February 26 2015 00:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 00:36 KelsierSC wrote:On February 26 2015 00:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On February 25 2015 23:34 Tronak wrote:On February 25 2015 23:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I don't understand why you aren't pushing it though since as you've mentioned both Yamato and Snarfs have echoed your suspicions, so I ask my question again. Where do I rank between your other two suspects and can you elaborate on why? I cant push something no one believes (Yamato and Scarfs pointed at you but never supported my arguments) based on apparently "weak" arguments. I think this would only disturb town thinking. You cant be between my other 2 suspects, you are on a side, completly parked for now and by now I mean D1 unless a good case (much better than mine) appears on you. Cant see why you need more elaboration. Please enlighten me if you really need it. While writing this, I am starting to think you are just testing me now, which brings me to think you are town or a very clever mafia player. Since I believe you are clever and skilled enough to overskill me easyly, by the moment I don't want to dedicate much more time on you, since I would rather focus on my strongest suspects and whatever new starts to boil in the thread. I think this post is very townie because the paranoia is very well articulated and omnipresent in everything, as well as having a very clear idea about what to him is acting in the best interest of town and being congruent in it. This in contrast to Tormented for which, I once again repeat, no one has found a viable explanation regarding his sudden shift in thoughts. i'm reading through your filter and despite a lot of posting all I can see is Tormented is mafia. which is kind of stupid considering he is a new player and probably pretty hard to read. you've basically called a lot of people town. It will be interesting to see what you do when you are forced to lynch one of them. I agree new players tend to be hard to read, but I find his change of mindset and inconsistencies incompatible with a town mindset. I believe I've found mafia, I see no one able to counter my argument other than a weak "he's a new player" which doesn't actually invalidate the point, so I'm going to keep driving it home until he gets lynched. I'm willing to lynch Yamato as well though. I believe I've made that clear. On February 26 2015 01:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
So why have you eliminated Tormented as a potential lynch when your only defense for him was that it could be because he's a newbie? That argument would only make sense to make him null, which should put him in a poe group.
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On February 26 2015 08:08 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 08:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On February 26 2015 08:01 Snarfs wrote:On February 26 2015 07:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On February 26 2015 07:37 Snarfs wrote:On February 26 2015 07:30 _Tormented_ wrote:
Sigh...that post does seem rather towny. I do agree with your opinion of artanis, but I believe someone posted that he usually does tunnel someone they think is scum. So the fact that he provided very little else to the entire D1 could possibly be explained with that. I just really dislike that I need to go back and read to figure out who he thinks is scum. If he was tunneling I'm pretty sure I'd know off the top of my head. I think it was yamato? Okay, I've made up my mind. You're scum. There's no way you're reading the thread if you don't know who I've been going after all game long. I was saying you aren't tunneling and that you switched off of tormented onto yamato. Feels like a pretty weak tunnel on Tormented if that's what it was. That is what I'm saying. You said you needed to go back and read to figure out who is scum. It doesn't matter if you call it tunneling or whatever. I can quote the amount of times I've asked for opinions on Tormented and how many times I referred back to the case. There's no way you didn't know I was suspecting him if you were reading the thread. I knew damn well you were suspecting him. I meant who you had your vote on. Who you currently thought was scum by who you actually had your vote on.
I can also quote how many times I've said I didn't like Yamato if that helps. Generally people know these things of their main scumspects.
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On February 26 2015 08:13 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 08:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On February 26 2015 08:08 Snarfs wrote:On February 26 2015 08:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On February 26 2015 08:01 Snarfs wrote:On February 26 2015 07:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On February 26 2015 07:37 Snarfs wrote:On February 26 2015 07:30 _Tormented_ wrote:
Sigh...that post does seem rather towny. I do agree with your opinion of artanis, but I believe someone posted that he usually does tunnel someone they think is scum. So the fact that he provided very little else to the entire D1 could possibly be explained with that. I just really dislike that I need to go back and read to figure out who he thinks is scum. If he was tunneling I'm pretty sure I'd know off the top of my head. I think it was yamato? Okay, I've made up my mind. You're scum. There's no way you're reading the thread if you don't know who I've been going after all game long. I was saying you aren't tunneling and that you switched off of tormented onto yamato. Feels like a pretty weak tunnel on Tormented if that's what it was. That is what I'm saying. You said you needed to go back and read to figure out who is scum. It doesn't matter if you call it tunneling or whatever. I can quote the amount of times I've asked for opinions on Tormented and how many times I referred back to the case. There's no way you didn't know I was suspecting him if you were reading the thread. I knew damn well you were suspecting him. I meant who you had your vote on. Who you currently thought was scum by who you actually had your vote on. I can also quote how many times I've said I didn't like Yamato if that helps. Generally people know these things of their main scumspects. But why yamato? It just doesn't make sensssssse if you really thought Tormented was scum.
Because he basically dropped his case as soon as I wanted to lynch Tormented on the sole basis that I was voting for him.
Speaking of Yamato, I've just gone through his last two pages of filter and he seems to be prodding in a lot of places right now. Feeling better about him.
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On February 26 2015 08:14 KelsierSC wrote:
also tormented slipped and no one seems to be bothering with it but w/e
What'd he slip where?
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On February 26 2015 08:18 Eden1892 wrote:
uh kels pls explain because i'm five
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Shining, focus on Snarfs and Wave.
I need to revisit Wave myself.
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On February 26 2015 08:24 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 08:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Shining, focus on Snarfs and Wave.
I need to revisit Wave myself. Why not Tormented? Why not tell the new guy to focus on reading the guy you've been "tunneling" all day when we probably would have 3 votes on him right away and Shining would make a 4th!?
Because I was the only one voting for him for a long time and I didn't detect any will from people to vote for him. I figure you and Wave are the most likely people to get lynched, so putting the attention there with little time remaining is a good idea.
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On February 26 2015 08:27 The Shining wrote:
Snarfs is town. Wave I think I can vote for, actually in his filter now.
Yes, Snarfs, those are the filters I read. I saw a case on Damdred and I saw a few people mention Prob being under the radar. So yeah.
Why is Snarfs town?
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Holy shit Wave's filter since the Damdred push is terrible.
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I think I still prefer a Snarfs lynch over a Wave lynch. I just find it hard to imagine he wouldn't know who his main suspect is voting for and suspects if he actually put any effort into reading the filter whatsoever. I feel like Wave's play can be explained more easily by playing bad than Snarfs can.
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I've constantly been suspected by him, he's asked multiple people about me and his read on me is amazingly inconsistent and poorly articulated. He suspects me because I didn't have a read on him when I had two other main suspects, yet he didn't even know where my vote was at whilst he was suspecting me the entire game. I don't believe it.
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On February 26 2015 08:41 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 08:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I think I still prefer a Snarfs lynch over a Wave lynch. I just find it hard to imagine he wouldn't know who his main suspect is voting for and suspects if he actually put any effort into reading the filter whatsoever. I feel like Wave's play can be explained more easily by playing bad than Snarfs can. lol so one mistake made by a newer player in a moment of forgetfulness is hard to explain away (see look I already did it) but an entire half-turn of filter of utterly nothing good is just "playing bad"? artanis pls
You don't just "forget" to be paranoid. Either you're paranoid or you're not, it isn't a goddamn choice.
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On February 26 2015 08:44 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 08:40 KelsierSC wrote:On February 26 2015 08:04 Tronak wrote:On February 26 2015 07:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On February 26 2015 07:37 Snarfs wrote:On February 26 2015 07:30 _Tormented_ wrote:
Sigh...that post does seem rather towny. I do agree with your opinion of artanis, but I believe someone posted that he usually does tunnel someone they think is scum. So the fact that he provided very little else to the entire D1 could possibly be explained with that. I just really dislike that I need to go back and read to figure out who he thinks is scum. If he was tunneling I'm pretty sure I'd know off the top of my head. I think it was yamato? Okay, I've made up my mind. You're scum. There's no way you're reading the thread if you don't know who I've been going after all game long. /agree I like Snarfs, as said before, he results interesting to exist in my learning curve. However, is impossible anyone reading half Artanis's post would miss his tunneling on Tormented. How can you explain that Snarfs? I was trying to make a point about artanis's so called "tunneling". I've already explained this. I knew he was suspecting Tormented, but the fact that he switched to yamato and then tried to push him was not a memorable event.
It should be a memorable event if you're accusing someone of being mafia the entire day. One would expect a bit more knowledge over their top suspect that they've had the entire day.
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