Student Mafia IV (New/Newish Players Welcome)

On November 25 2014 07:23 Breshke wrote:


Looks like we found our d1 lynch already

##Vote: Sicklucker

On November 25 2014 07:23 Breshke wrote:


Looks like we found our d1 lynch already

##Vote: Sicklucker

On November 25 2014 10:58 batsnacks wrote:
Your questions are intensely boring.

There is no such thing as scum slips, so no, dude didn't scum slip. That's what I meant when I said "I don't really think it's a big deal actually" in the post immediately above your question.

kush is the most logical vote because he likes to take it easy as scum. If people vote him he'll be forced to contribute, which he is good at doing as town and not as scum.

On November 25 2014 10:58 batsnacks wrote:
Your questions are intensely boring.

There is no such thing as scum slips, so no, dude didn't scum slip. That's what I meant when I said "I don't really think it's a big deal actually" in the post immediately above your question.

kush is the most logical vote because he likes to take it easy as scum. If people vote him he'll be forced to contribute, which he is good at doing as town and not as scum.

On November 25 2014 11:09 batsnacks wrote:


I was responding to damdred.



If he doesn't post I don't need to move my vote? I'm happy to lynch kush d1 if he doesn't contribute. That's why I voted him.

On November 25 2014 11:20 batsnacks wrote:


No one, damdred said he was scum reading HTS and that post I quoted came to mind because it caught my attention.

On November 25 2014 08:21 sicklucker wrote:


This is pretty townie. This got me at least one slight town read

On November 25 2014 11:36 batsnacks wrote:


Can't interpret anything unless you give reasons.

On November 25 2014 12:25 batsnacks wrote:


This isn't a read. None of oats' posts contain reads.

oats is play is like 80% asking questions that have already been answered and 20% badgering the host about issues he could fix himself.

If my plynch on kush is bad give me something better.

I've seen oats play a lot better than he is doing right now.

On November 25 2014 12:25 batsnacks wrote:


This isn't a read. None of oats' posts contain reads.

oats is play is like 80% asking questions that have already been answered and 20% badgering the host about issues he could fix himself.

If my plynch on kush is bad give me something better.

I've seen oats play a lot better than he is doing right now.

On November 25 2014 12:41 batsnacks wrote:

If all of this is true then your vote is in the right place and you should keep it there.


I don't think anything interesting is happening in the thread so I vote kush because he has a habit of not playing as scum. I don't see any harm in giving him a hill to climb, especially after last game.

On November 26 2014 01:57 batsnacks wrote:
He didn't have very many posts last game either, but his few posts then were similar to his few posts now.

And I brought up he was the cop for anyone that might not have been in that game.

On November 26 2014 09:18 meatpudding wrote:
Ok, here's where I stand right now. If you're name's not on the list then consider it a null read for the time being.

Marry
Breshke
Bang
HTS
Trfel
Kill
Damdred
sicklucker

On November 26 2014 09:21 meatpudding wrote:
I haven't really made good reads on most people. Some players are spamming and trolling a lot. Not really able to get a good idea.

bats and oats seem to know each other and are talking a lot. I would like to see you two focus less on each other.


HTS

Being very defensive. At least he is asking stuff and showing some reasoning. I think he is fairly cautious but nothing stands out that would make me call him scummy. In fact I would lean town on HTS at this point.

Breshke

His first vote for sicklucker is not alignment indicative in any way. At least it put some pressure on him to start the game.



I would read Breshke as town just because of this post.

sicklucker

I said it before, his setups and meta-plays look really weird. If he pulls some valuable info then ok, I will accept the value of it. But right now I think that he is setting himself up to distance from his own posts and I don't like that. Kind of scummy but not my highest priority lynch.



His counter onto Breshke seems really scummy though. Easy to see that his vote was because sicklucker is at best donkey town.

LS

Says oats is being very constructive. Not sure I 100% agree with that read.

kush

afk's. Reads damdred as top scum. Then switches votes to cock even though he wasn't in his scumpile. Slightly scummy I think.

Damdred

Opens with 'ignore me,' yea right. I like his line of questioning tho, very active. Seems very defensive of sickluckers play. Pushing on sicklucker a lot though. I'm slightly suspicious of the early interaction between Damdred, HTS, and sicklucker (see below)

slam



Why vote breshke? Because you're scum. Or did you even read the thread. I have no idea why you would want to vote him as town. Anyway you unvote before he has a chance to respond and then go afk.

cock

Interaction at the beginning seems weird. Most posts are devoid of anything to read.

Oats

Some defensive posting. seems to say a lot without saying a lot.

Trfel

Super logic. I'm not sure I follow his argument, but at least he has an argument.

batsnacks

Basically just tunnelled on oats. Not sure I can lean either way with this.


OK something that caught my eye in the very first posts (p5). sicklucker sets his 'trap' and Breshke falls into it. Damdred and sicklucker set up some rapport. Then HTS questions Breshke's response. sicklucker jumps on it straight away to say how townie it is that HTS would defend him like this. He says 'A mafia would be unlikely to defend me.' At this point I see Damdred trying to pull info from sicklucker, kind of indirectly trying to defend him.

So, I don't think that HTS is mafia. But if sicklucker is, then I wouldn't be surprised if Damdred was his partner. To me, it looks like they are trying to align, without directly giving each other a town read.

On November 25 2014 12:25 batsnacks wrote:


This isn't a read. None of oats' posts contain reads.

oats is play is like 80% asking questions that have already been answered and 20% badgering the host about issues he could fix himself.

If my plynch on kush is bad give me something better.

I've seen oats play a lot better than he is doing right now.

On November 26 2014 01:49 batsnacks wrote:
I don't think LS is mafia based on his posting being highly similar to last game (he was cop)

On November 26 2014 02:33 batsnacks wrote:
I think kush is town oats.

On November 25 2014 11:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really don't appreciate the constant reference that you are in 2 games slam. Please stop it.

On November 26 2014 01:49 batsnacks wrote:
I don't think LS is mafia based on his posting being highly similar to last game (he was cop)

On November 26 2014 02:00 Oatsmaster wrote:

At least get some in here to compare?

On November 26 2014 09:57 batsnacks wrote:
Trfel point me toward what you think oats has gained and utilized from his nitpicking. All I see is people calling him out for it and people complaining about it.

On November 26 2014 02:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
So I'm not a scum read rsoultin?
Interesting. Why aren't you putting in effort to find scum since you have no scum reads? I don't see an inquisitive mindset from you.

On November 25 2014 07:55 sicklucker wrote:


So I set this up pre game to get info. Breske had a really weird reaction. The breske I know does note vote someone five minutes into the first day.

On November 26 2014 10:39 Oatsmaster wrote:

Bad townread.
Anyone could post that.

And again, you reference "Other people" when trying to back up your point. If other people think its good, it doesnt mean its good.

On November 26 2014 11:07 batsnacks wrote:
Oats seriously it shouldn't be hard for you to convince me you're town in this game. Give a good read on someone else it will go a long way.

You're halfway there already, I agree with your meatpudding read.

On November 27 2014 01:33 kushm4sta wrote:
Batsnacks is way too active to lynch d1. The truth is that it's rare that someone is going to have strong reads d1, so you can't fault batsnacks for that. He has been promoting discussion and had a huge presence in the thread. You don't ever lynch someone like that d1.
Oats, you should know that. And that's what makes me worry about you.

On November 27 2014 01:42 batsnacks wrote:


I've given more reads than you.

On November 27 2014 09:17 meatpudding wrote:
Damn. He didn't even try to defend himself.

On November 27 2014 10:17 batsnacks wrote:
Can we be friends oats?

On November 27 2014 12:56 batsnacks wrote:


I think kush is town. Even if you don't think he's town he shouldn't be considered for the lynch tomorrow.

This requires operating under the assumption I'm town, but mafia kush wouldn't move a lynch off of me and onto dick, because mafia kush would know we're both town and it wouldn't matter to him which one of us got lynched. If anything I think mafia kush would have been happier to lynch me because I was posting more.

On November 27 2014 13:03 batsnacks wrote:
Oats if you focus on what I mean instead of what I say I guarantee I'm not scummy.

On November 27 2014 14:33 Damdred wrote:
Well I was trying to let things develop and some of the scum reads made me laugh pretty hard tbh damdred asked 16-17 questions he's so obvious scum. But the thread was kind of stagnant with no cases so I figured I should push the scummiest person.

What do you think of oats bresh

On November 27 2014 15:42 batsnacks wrote:
Yeah that was weird. It wasn't intentional though. Also, Dicksmash had the overwhelming majority and my vote wouldn't have mattered anyway unless I voted myself. Also if I weren't afk I would have voted dicksmash as either alignment.

On November 25 2014 12:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Man, what is this.

Whos scum Trefel?

On November 25 2014 10:27 batsnacks wrote:
I think you should all start voting kush since that's the most logical vote right now.

On November 28 2014 03:34 batsnacks wrote:


Calling sicklucker a "good guy" might indicate that HTS knows sicklucker is town, which only mafia would know, therefor TMI. But again I feel strongly about it.

On November 28 2014 04:58 batsnacks wrote:


See what I mean? It took you like a thousand words to say that the first time.

On November 28 2014 05:21 batsnacks wrote:


"rabble rabble"

Pick something either oats or Trfel has said about why I'm scummy that you agree with.

On November 28 2014 07:47 batsnacks wrote:


So you think me and damdred are mafia. You think damdred's plan as mafia is to draw attention to the both of us by defending me. And you think our plan is to kill the people who are pushing us, because that somehow makes us less suspicious?

That's actually what you think???

On November 28 2014 07:59 batsnacks wrote:


I explained to you why you don't have good points. You should get new ones.

On November 28 2014 13:24 batsnacks wrote:


I'm sorry I keep ignoring you breshke but this isn't the first time I've answered these questions and it is frustrating answering the same questions over and over again when people aren't listening. I don't think damdred would stick his neck out for me like he has if we were both mafia. It doesn't make sense, if we're both mafia, to bring so much attention on ourselves.

As for as my town read on damdred, think about day 1. I'm town. Scum damdred would know I'm town. Scum damdred would not go out of his way to defend me to move the vote to dicksmash. Scum damdred doesn't care which town dies, if town dies he's happy, so it doesn't make sense for him to defend one town to swing the votes to another town.

Damdred gains nothing defending me if he is mafia.

On November 28 2014 14:10 batsnacks wrote:

You have no issues with his reads, you just wish there were less of them? Who cares if they're wrong he's sharing what he thinks. More of that is better.

And about half of those reads were borderline null.

On November 28 2014 15:51 batsnacks wrote:
Oats penny for your thoughts on slam/meat

On November 28 2014 16:20 batsnacks wrote:

You did say repeatedly day 1 that you didn't like meat. You said you didn't like the content of his list post and some other stuff I think. Your reads are consistent and reasonable for the most part I'm not looking for holes or anything. I just want to know what you think about lynching meat vs lynching slam.

On November 28 2014 16:31 batsnacks wrote:

I like that rsoultin doesn't think I'm mafia but that's all really.

In retrospect he only started not thinking I'm mafia after I called him out on something, so he could just be taking the path of least resistance, which would be scummy.

On November 28 2014 16:45 batsnacks wrote:
Laughing at me or with me? :/

On November 29 2014 02:14 batsnacks wrote:
HTS you said meat has contributed slightly more than slam.

So why is it bats, meant, kush and not bats, slam, kush?

On November 26 2014 09:33 sicklucker wrote:
If your so sure of mine and dandreds interactions how did you miss the posts where he asked me If I thik breske is scum and I said no? Because I have yet to call breske scum the worst I called him was "weird"

On November 26 2014 09:34 sicklucker wrote:
I already found holes in meats story I dont like him at all.

On November 29 2014 05:28 batsnacks wrote:


slam
hts
???

On November 30 2014 04:42 batsnacks wrote:
HTS definitely mafia

##unvote
##vote: Half the Sky

On November 29 2014 02:55 kushm4sta wrote:
bats help me figure out which of these sneaky tryhard sonnabitches are scum...
is it htf or something?

On November 29 2014 14:42 rsoultin wrote:
- first post nothing but a vote on bats. but bats had policy voted him, so -shrugs-
- asks me why I said bats and oats were "scummiest", claiming I provided no reasoning when it was right in the post
- tells breshke sl is scummy for "omgus"ing breshke
- changes vote to damdred for tone and bad defense of "shit pushes", only giving reasoning 30 minutes later, after he's prompted
- gets into argument with oats in bat's defense for the HTS read (argument lasts 1 post)
- jumps on dicksmash train led by damdred (what was that before about shit pushes?) presenting evidence of "nitpicking" and "white knighting", votes dicks
- calls sl bad at the game for not providing reasons for his reads (nother pot calls kettle moment given his earlier vote on damdred)
- says again in all caps that dicks should be lynched day 1, two separate times in all caps, followed by a list of scum 5 ppl long (including Damdred in 3 spot, so again, why jumping on that train?) and defends bats some more, also citing one of the reasons to push dicks is because of his scum read on bats
- says lets lynch bats (sarcasm, maybe?) then turns right around and says he's not bussing, he's only defended bats after dicks flips town
- repeated comments he won't be able to do anything today and so scum wins (with this much time left before EoD?)

- first post nothing but a vote on bats. but bats had policy voted him, so -shrugs-

- asks me why I said bats and oats were "scummiest", claiming I provided no reasoning when it was right in the post

- tells breshke sl is scummy for "omgus"ing breshke

- changes vote to damdred for tone and bad defense of "shit pushes", only giving reasoning 30 minutes later, after he's prompted

- gets into argument with oats in bat's defense for the HTS read (argument lasts 1 post)

- jumps on dicksmash train led by damdred (what was that before about shit pushes?) presenting evidence of "nitpicking" and "white knighting", votes dicks

- calls sl bad at the game for not providing reasons for his reads (nother pot calls kettle moment given his earlier vote on damdred)

- says again in all caps that dicks should be lynched day 1, two separate times in all caps, followed by a list of scum 5 ppl long (including Damdred in 3 spot, so again, why jumping on that train?) and defends bats some more, also citing one of the reasons to push dicks is because of his scum read on bats

- says lets lynch bats (sarcasm, maybe?) then turns right around and says he's not bussing, he's only defended bats after dicks flips town

- repeated comments he won't be able to do anything today and so scum wins (with this much time left before EoD?)

On November 30 2014 05:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
kush almost literally doesnt play as scum. He also busses like a mofo. He has done neither of these things this game.

On November 28 2014 17:56 rsoultin wrote:
Sure, I can. The reason I started asking Bats and Damdred all those questions today (which apparently isn't proactive, but whatevs) was I found it very strange, Damdred's hyper-focus on HTS at the beginning of the game. SL repeatedly said that HTS questioning Breshke's intentions for voting him and apparently trying to determine alignment only gave him a slight scum read. Damdred kept battering at it, getting way more aggressive than necessary, then stated very clearly (and I quoted this earlier) that he had a scum read on HTS. Yet he claimed today that this wasn't the case and he was only trying to get SL to rethink things. I called him on it, he says he's got a reason (buried somewhere and not related, apparently, to the first part of the thread which is when he first mentioned the scum read) but would "dive" later to find those things.

Has yet to do so.

Bats I actually said was reading neutral for me at the moment. The policy-lynch on kush was eh, whatevs, can see why he might and it mirrors what Breshke did, but he seemed to jump on the HTS scum wagon, too. He says now that wasn't the case, and his posts half-support that because earlier he did clarify to say that he could see why someone might read HTS as scum, not indicating whether he actually did or not. Don't like the contradiction on voting kush though. He said he changed his vote after kush posted, but in reality he changed it to you before kush appeared in the thread.

I still find Damdred more scummy. That's why I've continuously mentioned it being weird to vote bats to determine if Damdred is mafia. One, I really doubt that they both are, because man they've backed themselves into a corner if they are and I like to think people are smarter than that.

As far as kush is concerned, I don't see him contributing that much. He asks a lot of other people for reads, true...majority of his posts were helping to push dicksmash, though. The main thing for me, however, is I actually have to go through his filter to remember a single thing he's really said. Which means nothing he's done was significant enough to get my attention, while I can remember details about most of the rest of you just fine.

Meatpudding...was just so off the wall. Beginning of game jokes, has to be prompted to contribute, the random digression on lynch policies mid-read on HTS, his general AFK stuff. Still say the guy's lurking. I was clear about the 24 hours in question being between when he asked someone for reads and when he posted his Marry/Bang/Kill list, and he says he posted a half hour before. Which he clearly hadn't. I'm looking directly at the filter. The list itself was just names, had to be prompted for explanations. The storm is legit enough, sure, but why was he AFK that long before? A different timezone does not equate to a 24 hr absence, and he dodged the question. Between him and slam, I've more reason to vote him because there's something off there.

You, Oats...to be honest I'm not reading you as scum but at the same time I wouldn't at all be surprised if you did flip scum. You really do have this nasty habit of focusing in on only the details you want to see. You've jumped on half my posts before, asking questions where the answer was in the word right next to it...

And maybe your definition of proactive is different than mine, but I think trying to narrow down scum by looking for town reads isn't useless.

On November 29 2014 14:42 rsoultin wrote:
Kush says d1 is enough to "prove" him town. Which...not really sure the thought process behind anyone claiming that because I view everything as fluid.

Nevertheless, a pop through his filter reveals:
- first post nothing but a vote on bats. but bats had policy voted him, so -shrugs-
- asks me why I said bats and oats were "scummiest", claiming I provided no reasoning when it was right in the post
- tells breshke sl is scummy for "omgus"ing breshke
- changes vote to damdred for tone and bad defense of "shit pushes", only giving reasoning 30 minutes later, after he's prompted
- gets into argument with oats in bat's defense for the HTS read (argument lasts 1 post)
- jumps on dicksmash train led by damdred (what was that before about shit pushes?) presenting evidence of "nitpicking" and "white knighting", votes dicks
- calls sl bad at the game for not providing reasons for his reads (nother pot calls kettle moment given his earlier vote on damdred)
- says again in all caps that dicks should be lynched day 1, two separate times in all caps, followed by a list of scum 5 ppl long (including Damdred in 3 spot, so again, why jumping on that train?) and defends bats some more, also citing one of the reasons to push dicks is because of his scum read on bats
- says lets lynch bats (sarcasm, maybe?) then turns right around and says he's not bussing, he's only defended bats after dicks flips town
- repeated comments he won't be able to do anything today and so scum wins (with this much time left before EoD?)

less concerned about him obviously closing ranks with bats, and more about the train on dicks with "scum" damdred and his "shit pushes". why vote for what you think is a scum-led push?

that and that there was all the meat (I encourage you to filter dive yourself) he had in 3 pages worth of posts...not a lot of anything but pushing dicks and backing bats

On November 30 2014 06:27 batsnacks wrote:


So is that post about why kush is scum or not because you've contradicted yourself 3 times in the last 3 posts?

On November 30 2014 06:50 batsnacks wrote:


Nvm we're okay.

On November 29 2014 06:39 rsoultin wrote:
1. People who aren't consistent. You ask them a question and it doesn't match up with their previous posts.
2. People dodging questions entirely even after they're asked multiple times.
3. People who breeze in, post some, then disappear again.
4. People who seem to be posting a lot yet I can't remember what they actually said, because that means their posts had no new or significant substance to them.

On November 27 2014 02:10 LightningStrike wrote:
I going with kush and say lynch Dicksmash since I think he the better person to lynch due to his very little substance posting as seem in his filter to not helping us so it might be a good indication of him being being scum or a noob town but this was the same I was lynched in my last game and I turned out to be the Town Cop.

On December 01 2014 07:14 LightningStrike wrote:
Sorry for not posting in the Night I was still in shock that Kush got lynched when I tried to save T_T
Kush if you read this I sorry I tried to save you but failed

On December 03 2014 18:22 rsoultin wrote:


It's actually something SL said that makes me itchy. Oats vs. bats. Why? What about the LS vs. meat voting made it oats vs. bats? I remember you being one of the last people to vote for meat, perhaps the last, bringing the vote to 7. Did that not raise a red flag for you then? You've been more or less non-committal about bats, though he's been throwing you under the bus any chance he can. That argument the first day set the stage for an oats vs. bats game. You're coming back hard at me for commenting that you're not a firm town read for me, but have you bothered to defend yourself from him? I don't recall that you have. You're worth taking a second look at.



As for this...very townie? I could see, if you think that your newbie scummate is gonna give himself away, telling him to sheep a town people already don't trust. That's why I'm asking people what they think. I'm deliberately trying to think of reasons that bats might be town cause...as already said...super biased. Finding a very townie player isn't a bad strategy either to ride the coattails of for as long as possible. But what about bats makes him a strong townie player? He was in the race for scum day 1. Still being mentioned day 2 but we went for policy lynches instead.

I've been questioning him ever since EoD 2, and now you're telling me LS sheeping him proves he's town because he's a very townie player. That's...weird. What about bats' play this game is so very 'townie' oats? Maybe my newb eyes are just blind.

On December 03 2014 23:36 batsnacks wrote:
Btw I've been afk because I've been too busy wrestling gators to play, do I get a pass now for RL excuses? lol

On December 03 2014 23:50 batsnacks wrote:


Pretty much what oats said.

Lynching meat is cool too though because knowing his alignment pretty much solves the game. If meat is scum, we hit scum, which is awesome. If meat is town, it means scum voted meat yesterday.

On December 04 2014 00:55 batsnacks wrote:


I'm not sure that scum voted meat so speak for yourself.