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On November 30 2014 06:21 rsoultin wrote:Lol, thank you for telling me my own intentions. I'm certain that you're the expert and all. Before I posted that list. Note the bolded portion or ignore it, if you prefer. Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 17:56 rsoultin wrote:
Sure, I can. The reason I started asking Bats and Damdred all those questions today (which apparently isn't proactive, but whatevs) was I found it very strange, Damdred's hyper-focus on HTS at the beginning of the game. SL repeatedly said that HTS questioning Breshke's intentions for voting him and apparently trying to determine alignment only gave him a slight scum read. Damdred kept battering at it, getting way more aggressive than necessary, then stated very clearly (and I quoted this earlier) that he had a scum read on HTS. Yet he claimed today that this wasn't the case and he was only trying to get SL to rethink things. I called him on it, he says he's got a reason (buried somewhere and not related, apparently, to the first part of the thread which is when he first mentioned the scum read) but would "dive" later to find those things.
Has yet to do so.
Bats I actually said was reading neutral for me at the moment. The policy-lynch on kush was eh, whatevs, can see why he might and it mirrors what Breshke did, but he seemed to jump on the HTS scum wagon, too. He says now that wasn't the case, and his posts half-support that because earlier he did clarify to say that he could see why someone might read HTS as scum, not indicating whether he actually did or not. Don't like the contradiction on voting kush though. He said he changed his vote after kush posted, but in reality he changed it to you before kush appeared in the thread.
I still find Damdred more scummy. That's why I've continuously mentioned it being weird to vote bats to determine if Damdred is mafia. One, I really doubt that they both are, because man they've backed themselves into a corner if they are and I like to think people are smarter than that.
As far as kush is concerned, I don't see him contributing that much. He asks a lot of other people for reads, true...majority of his posts were helping to push dicksmash, though. The main thing for me, however, is I actually have to go through his filter to remember a single thing he's really said. Which means nothing he's done was significant enough to get my attention, while I can remember details about most of the rest of you just fine.
Meatpudding...was just so off the wall. Beginning of game jokes, has to be prompted to contribute, the random digression on lynch policies mid-read on HTS, his general AFK stuff. Still say the guy's lurking. I was clear about the 24 hours in question being between when he asked someone for reads and when he posted his Marry/Bang/Kill list, and he says he posted a half hour before. Which he clearly hadn't. I'm looking directly at the filter. The list itself was just names, had to be prompted for explanations. The storm is legit enough, sure, but why was he AFK that long before? A different timezone does not equate to a 24 hr absence, and he dodged the question. Between him and slam, I've more reason to vote him because there's something off there.
You, Oats...to be honest I'm not reading you as scum but at the same time I wouldn't at all be surprised if you did flip scum. You really do have this nasty habit of focusing in on only the details you want to see. You've jumped on half my posts before, asking questions where the answer was in the word right next to it...
And maybe your definition of proactive is different than mine, but I think trying to narrow down scum by looking for town reads isn't useless.
And you conveniently left out the context for the list... Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 14:42 rsoultin wrote:
Kush says d1 is enough to "prove" him town. Which...not really sure the thought process behind anyone claiming that because I view everything as fluid.
Nevertheless, a pop through his filter reveals:
- first post nothing but a vote on bats. but bats had policy voted him, so -shrugs-
- asks me why I said bats and oats were "scummiest", claiming I provided no reasoning when it was right in the post
- tells breshke sl is scummy for "omgus"ing breshke
- changes vote to damdred for tone and bad defense of "shit pushes", only giving reasoning 30 minutes later, after he's prompted
- gets into argument with oats in bat's defense for the HTS read (argument lasts 1 post)
- jumps on dicksmash train led by damdred (what was that before about shit pushes?) presenting evidence of "nitpicking" and "white knighting", votes dicks
- calls sl bad at the game for not providing reasons for his reads (nother pot calls kettle moment given his earlier vote on damdred)
- says again in all caps that dicks should be lynched day 1, two separate times in all caps, followed by a list of scum 5 ppl long (including Damdred in 3 spot, so again, why jumping on that train?) and defends bats some more, also citing one of the reasons to push dicks is because of his scum read on bats
- says lets lynch bats (sarcasm, maybe?) then turns right around and says he's not bussing, he's only defended bats after dicks flips town
- repeated comments he won't be able to do anything today and so scum wins (with this much time left before EoD?)
less concerned about him obviously closing ranks with bats, and more about the train on dicks with "scum" damdred and his "shit pushes". why vote for what you think is a scum-led push?
that and that there was all the meat (I encourage you to filter dive yourself) he had in 3 pages worth of posts...not a lot of anything but pushing dicks and backing bats Now, y'all can waste a lynch on me if that's what you want, but don't tell me what my intentions were while editing parts of my posts out xP I will call you on that.
So is that post about why kush is scum or not because you've contradicted yourself 3 times in the last 3 posts?
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On November 30 2014 06:25 rsoultin wrote:Kinda interesting to me that the leads on this are bats and damdred. Just saying. Y'all can remember that when I flip town if they get this lynch rolling. 
+1. Same. I have equal risk here as you, so I feel it important to put it all out there as this could be my last chance to help town.
Silver lining, at least you aren't spending your Saturday night sorting this out. Then again, weather is horrible here right now.
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On November 30 2014 06:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
so which one of them do we lynch rsoul? or what about me? You still have half an hour, instead of being salty about dying give us some reads.
eg. over the course of this day you've gone meatpudding, kush, LS, damdred+bats. Somewhere along the way you've gone amiss.
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On November 30 2014 05:57 Half the Sky wrote:Let's talk criteria. Here we go. I want to make sure you understand where I'm coming from here. 1 Gaps in posting/support- First we have the vote on DSMI. When he first listed his reads, he was on his phone, so he was brief, fine. But I'm surprised to not see further extended support/followup for his reads. He called out the following - LS, Rasputin, Oats, and you. There was no followup for LS and Rasputin, and none regarding you, even though Oats, questioned it (see #2) - Because there was no followup, it appeared a massive gap between how we went from voting you to voting DSMI on what appeared to be weaker evidence from him - namely nitpicking. - If Kush used "nitpicking" to vote DSMI, why not vote Oats, who was also guilty of nitpicking? - His defence of Bats was that reads on d1 are poor (or fluid as he said), and that other people haven't been giving reads. Then he admits that "others have been worse" but somehow, before, he had a "stronger read" on you about your shit pushes. To me something doesn't add up. - Why did I buy into Kush's post? Because of 1) urgency on DSMI's part posting and 2) filtering DSMI's comments relative to others. I didn't take Kush at face value. I checked before I changed votes. - Kush pushed the vote before you did on DSMI. - To extend on the D1 argument, it also doesn't make sense to me that he would say D1 is fluid and then expect us to say that D1 proves him innocent. As in we are good enough to read him as town from D1 actions. If that was a troll comment, see #5. - Conclusion - There are enough gaps and contradictions here, and I revisited Kush's post because he sold me an argument that proved wrong. Urgency was wrong - he flipped town. So I looked closer at the other points I was sold. 2 Dodging questions- He dodged Oats asking him about the Damdred read. I think he might have dodged one more in there, but I stopped at page 27 when I was double checking that. 3 AFK issue- He admitted this. Bad as alakaslam, no but taking it at face value, it appeared a huge cop-out, particularly with the D1 argument. We're past Thanksgiving. 4 Forgettable- As I said before, I recall Bats' filter more than his, although Bats' filter was 2x as much, so there's that. 5 Spam/trolling- This is applicable more to Bats than Kush, although Kush had a few of these as well. But I find spam/trolling/etc a problem because it just makes it more difficult for the town. There's more to weed through. Scum would want to make it difficult for the town. I won't speak for others but it's not always easy to tell who is trolling/serious/not serious etc when I'm reading this stuff. - Again as I said before, meta holds nothing to me. If you think I'm taking someone too seriously, call me on it. I took Breskhe too seriously early on, and I stood corrected. Kush, if you want to answer these, I'm all ears.
DSMI was decently scummy i'm not going to hold this against kush, the content of his case even though it was smaller than my case was just as good. It might not of been as convincing to some but DSMI was a huge question mark that was acting scummy so I can't fault him here, kush always has a hard on for me to he generally can tone read me etc preetty well and he always thinks i'm scummy early so I usually don't hold thata against him and then the jump off me.
Plenty of people dodge questions though, its not necessarily a scummy trait it can be scummy but doesn't have to be.
The other stuff i'm not sure, i can remember kush push and some other things hes done but nothing that looks overtly scummy from memory.
I disagree slightly with spamming to be scummy i'd rather everyone be spammy gives us more content to work with but meh.
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Hopeless, you are defending Kush's play. What do you make of his reasoning for voting DSMI after voting Damdred?
Batsnacks, you can answer this also.
I am claiming gaps in Kush's reasoning from Damdred to DSMI. Counterclaim or help me fill in the gaps please.
Damdred, I've read part of your first case...also continuing...
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EBWOP - I see you just posted your response. Reading now.
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Kushm4sta (4): Breshke, meatpudding, Half the Sky, rsoultin
rsoultin (3): Hopeless1der, Batsnacks, Damdred
Half the Sky (1): Oatsmaster
meatpudding (1): LightningStrike
batsnacks (1): sicklucker
Not Voting (1): kushm4sta
Currently, kushm4sta is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
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-shrugs- I have.
I still would lynch lightningstrike for playing the frightened rabbit I don't want to get lynched as a vanilla town so I'm not going to participate card, I still don't like how easy it was for Damdred to convince all the currently present players to flip on HTS and then claims it wasn't by citing the absent players still on kush as an example.
I could keep pointing fingers or repeating myself, but I've made my opinions/reads pretty clear throughout the game. SL and breshke are still my strongest town reads. Why would I have a read on you already? lol Slam was completely null other than the AFK, which apparently was for personal reasons. Anyone trying to push you right now would be odd to me.
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On November 30 2014 06:34 rsoultin wrote:
-shrugs- I have.
I still would lynch lightningstrike for playing the frightened rabbit I don't want to get lynched as a vanilla town so I'm not going to participate card, I still don't like how easy it was for Damdred to convince all the currently present players to flip on HTS and then claims it wasn't by citing the absent players still on kush as an example.
I could keep pointing fingers or repeating myself, but I've made my opinions/reads pretty clear throughout the game. SL and breshke are still my strongest town reads. Why would I have a read on you already? lol Slam was completely null other than the AFK, which apparently was for personal reasons. Anyone trying to push you right now would be odd to me.
Oats was on hts before I was, I voted, then bats voted as he didn't want a kush lynch.
Where are these imaginary people Damdred convinced to jump on hts?
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On November 30 2014 06:27 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2014 06:21 rsoultin wrote:Lol, thank you for telling me my own intentions. I'm certain that you're the expert and all. Before I posted that list. Note the bolded portion or ignore it, if you prefer. On November 28 2014 17:56 rsoultin wrote:
Sure, I can. The reason I started asking Bats and Damdred all those questions today (which apparently isn't proactive, but whatevs) was I found it very strange, Damdred's hyper-focus on HTS at the beginning of the game. SL repeatedly said that HTS questioning Breshke's intentions for voting him and apparently trying to determine alignment only gave him a slight scum read. Damdred kept battering at it, getting way more aggressive than necessary, then stated very clearly (and I quoted this earlier) that he had a scum read on HTS. Yet he claimed today that this wasn't the case and he was only trying to get SL to rethink things. I called him on it, he says he's got a reason (buried somewhere and not related, apparently, to the first part of the thread which is when he first mentioned the scum read) but would "dive" later to find those things.
Has yet to do so.
Bats I actually said was reading neutral for me at the moment. The policy-lynch on kush was eh, whatevs, can see why he might and it mirrors what Breshke did, but he seemed to jump on the HTS scum wagon, too. He says now that wasn't the case, and his posts half-support that because earlier he did clarify to say that he could see why someone might read HTS as scum, not indicating whether he actually did or not. Don't like the contradiction on voting kush though. He said he changed his vote after kush posted, but in reality he changed it to you before kush appeared in the thread.
I still find Damdred more scummy. That's why I've continuously mentioned it being weird to vote bats to determine if Damdred is mafia. One, I really doubt that they both are, because man they've backed themselves into a corner if they are and I like to think people are smarter than that.
As far as kush is concerned, I don't see him contributing that much. He asks a lot of other people for reads, true...majority of his posts were helping to push dicksmash, though. The main thing for me, however, is I actually have to go through his filter to remember a single thing he's really said. Which means nothing he's done was significant enough to get my attention, while I can remember details about most of the rest of you just fine.
Meatpudding...was just so off the wall. Beginning of game jokes, has to be prompted to contribute, the random digression on lynch policies mid-read on HTS, his general AFK stuff. Still say the guy's lurking. I was clear about the 24 hours in question being between when he asked someone for reads and when he posted his Marry/Bang/Kill list, and he says he posted a half hour before. Which he clearly hadn't. I'm looking directly at the filter. The list itself was just names, had to be prompted for explanations. The storm is legit enough, sure, but why was he AFK that long before? A different timezone does not equate to a 24 hr absence, and he dodged the question. Between him and slam, I've more reason to vote him because there's something off there.
You, Oats...to be honest I'm not reading you as scum but at the same time I wouldn't at all be surprised if you did flip scum. You really do have this nasty habit of focusing in on only the details you want to see. You've jumped on half my posts before, asking questions where the answer was in the word right next to it...
And maybe your definition of proactive is different than mine, but I think trying to narrow down scum by looking for town reads isn't useless.
And you conveniently left out the context for the list... On November 29 2014 14:42 rsoultin wrote:
Kush says d1 is enough to "prove" him town. Which...not really sure the thought process behind anyone claiming that because I view everything as fluid.
Nevertheless, a pop through his filter reveals:
- first post nothing but a vote on bats. but bats had policy voted him, so -shrugs-
- asks me why I said bats and oats were "scummiest", claiming I provided no reasoning when it was right in the post
- tells breshke sl is scummy for "omgus"ing breshke
- changes vote to damdred for tone and bad defense of "shit pushes", only giving reasoning 30 minutes later, after he's prompted
- gets into argument with oats in bat's defense for the HTS read (argument lasts 1 post)
- jumps on dicksmash train led by damdred (what was that before about shit pushes?) presenting evidence of "nitpicking" and "white knighting", votes dicks
- calls sl bad at the game for not providing reasons for his reads (nother pot calls kettle moment given his earlier vote on damdred)
- says again in all caps that dicks should be lynched day 1, two separate times in all caps, followed by a list of scum 5 ppl long (including Damdred in 3 spot, so again, why jumping on that train?) and defends bats some more, also citing one of the reasons to push dicks is because of his scum read on bats
- says lets lynch bats (sarcasm, maybe?) then turns right around and says he's not bussing, he's only defended bats after dicks flips town
- repeated comments he won't be able to do anything today and so scum wins (with this much time left before EoD?)
less concerned about him obviously closing ranks with bats, and more about the train on dicks with "scum" damdred and his "shit pushes". why vote for what you think is a scum-led push?
that and that there was all the meat (I encourage you to filter dive yourself) he had in 3 pages worth of posts...not a lot of anything but pushing dicks and backing bats Now, y'all can waste a lynch on me if that's what you want, but don't tell me what my intentions were while editing parts of my posts out xP I will call you on that. So is that post about why kush is scum or not because you've contradicted yourself 3 times in the last 3 posts?
Bats, gonna dropkick you again. The post that you edited parts out of is about kush being scum. The list that you chose to quote without the rest of the post was what content I could glean out of the 3 pages of posts in his filter at the time of the post.
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On November 30 2014 06:38 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2014 06:27 batsnacks wrote:On November 30 2014 06:21 rsoultin wrote:Lol, thank you for telling me my own intentions. I'm certain that you're the expert and all. Before I posted that list. Note the bolded portion or ignore it, if you prefer. On November 28 2014 17:56 rsoultin wrote:
Sure, I can. The reason I started asking Bats and Damdred all those questions today (which apparently isn't proactive, but whatevs) was I found it very strange, Damdred's hyper-focus on HTS at the beginning of the game. SL repeatedly said that HTS questioning Breshke's intentions for voting him and apparently trying to determine alignment only gave him a slight scum read. Damdred kept battering at it, getting way more aggressive than necessary, then stated very clearly (and I quoted this earlier) that he had a scum read on HTS. Yet he claimed today that this wasn't the case and he was only trying to get SL to rethink things. I called him on it, he says he's got a reason (buried somewhere and not related, apparently, to the first part of the thread which is when he first mentioned the scum read) but would "dive" later to find those things.
Has yet to do so.
Bats I actually said was reading neutral for me at the moment. The policy-lynch on kush was eh, whatevs, can see why he might and it mirrors what Breshke did, but he seemed to jump on the HTS scum wagon, too. He says now that wasn't the case, and his posts half-support that because earlier he did clarify to say that he could see why someone might read HTS as scum, not indicating whether he actually did or not. Don't like the contradiction on voting kush though. He said he changed his vote after kush posted, but in reality he changed it to you before kush appeared in the thread.
I still find Damdred more scummy. That's why I've continuously mentioned it being weird to vote bats to determine if Damdred is mafia. One, I really doubt that they both are, because man they've backed themselves into a corner if they are and I like to think people are smarter than that.
As far as kush is concerned, I don't see him contributing that much. He asks a lot of other people for reads, true...majority of his posts were helping to push dicksmash, though. The main thing for me, however, is I actually have to go through his filter to remember a single thing he's really said. Which means nothing he's done was significant enough to get my attention, while I can remember details about most of the rest of you just fine.
Meatpudding...was just so off the wall. Beginning of game jokes, has to be prompted to contribute, the random digression on lynch policies mid-read on HTS, his general AFK stuff. Still say the guy's lurking. I was clear about the 24 hours in question being between when he asked someone for reads and when he posted his Marry/Bang/Kill list, and he says he posted a half hour before. Which he clearly hadn't. I'm looking directly at the filter. The list itself was just names, had to be prompted for explanations. The storm is legit enough, sure, but why was he AFK that long before? A different timezone does not equate to a 24 hr absence, and he dodged the question. Between him and slam, I've more reason to vote him because there's something off there.
You, Oats...to be honest I'm not reading you as scum but at the same time I wouldn't at all be surprised if you did flip scum. You really do have this nasty habit of focusing in on only the details you want to see. You've jumped on half my posts before, asking questions where the answer was in the word right next to it...
And maybe your definition of proactive is different than mine, but I think trying to narrow down scum by looking for town reads isn't useless.
And you conveniently left out the context for the list... On November 29 2014 14:42 rsoultin wrote:
Kush says d1 is enough to "prove" him town. Which...not really sure the thought process behind anyone claiming that because I view everything as fluid.
Nevertheless, a pop through his filter reveals:
- first post nothing but a vote on bats. but bats had policy voted him, so -shrugs-
- asks me why I said bats and oats were "scummiest", claiming I provided no reasoning when it was right in the post
- tells breshke sl is scummy for "omgus"ing breshke
- changes vote to damdred for tone and bad defense of "shit pushes", only giving reasoning 30 minutes later, after he's prompted
- gets into argument with oats in bat's defense for the HTS read (argument lasts 1 post)
- jumps on dicksmash train led by damdred (what was that before about shit pushes?) presenting evidence of "nitpicking" and "white knighting", votes dicks
- calls sl bad at the game for not providing reasons for his reads (nother pot calls kettle moment given his earlier vote on damdred)
- says again in all caps that dicks should be lynched day 1, two separate times in all caps, followed by a list of scum 5 ppl long (including Damdred in 3 spot, so again, why jumping on that train?) and defends bats some more, also citing one of the reasons to push dicks is because of his scum read on bats
- says lets lynch bats (sarcasm, maybe?) then turns right around and says he's not bussing, he's only defended bats after dicks flips town
- repeated comments he won't be able to do anything today and so scum wins (with this much time left before EoD?)
less concerned about him obviously closing ranks with bats, and more about the train on dicks with "scum" damdred and his "shit pushes". why vote for what you think is a scum-led push?
that and that there was all the meat (I encourage you to filter dive yourself) he had in 3 pages worth of posts...not a lot of anything but pushing dicks and backing bats Now, y'all can waste a lynch on me if that's what you want, but don't tell me what my intentions were while editing parts of my posts out xP I will call you on that. So is that post about why kush is scum or not because you've contradicted yourself 3 times in the last 3 posts? Bats, gonna dropkick you again. The post that you edited parts out of is about kush being scum. The list that you chose to quote without the rest of the post was what content I could glean out of the 3 pages of posts in his filter at the time of the post.
On November 30 2014 06:02 rsoultin wrote:
For clarification, bats, that actually wasn't a list of scummy behavior. That was me going back through his filter to find what little content was in it. My main issue with kush is that he has so little content, and he was claiming he wouldn't be playing for the rest of the day.
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Fine and fair enough, Damdred. Perhaps it was just bats who was the eager beaver who voted HTS as "definite scum". I'm not going back through the thread right now, but it seemed like there were more eating it up.
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You just made my point, bats? List, not a list of scummy behavior. Post was saying that having so little content was scum. Now you're boring me.
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Half might not be scum here actually if hes reading the games i posted, though kush filters shouldn't take long to get through.
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On November 30 2014 06:33 Half the Sky wrote:
Hopeless, you are defending Kush's play. What do you make of his reasoning for voting DSMI after voting Damdred?
Batsnacks, you can answer this also.
I am claiming gaps in Kush's reasoning from Damdred to DSMI. Counterclaim or help me fill in the gaps please.
Damdred, I've read part of your first case...also continuing...
I dont consider kush's voting damdred in reading him. Kush came back again and again to say we should vote DSMI, gave reasons on why it was a good idea, why lynching others was a bad idea. And I mean actually gave reasons instead of "lol u bad hes town".
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Okay rsoultin stuff is now not making sense after reading stuff that bats wrote on him and what Hopeless wrote on him and kush would not be a good lynch today so I suggest we go after rsoultin since he voted on me I guess it's time for my move.
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On November 30 2014 06:43 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2014 06:33 Half the Sky wrote:
Hopeless, you are defending Kush's play. What do you make of his reasoning for voting DSMI after voting Damdred?
Batsnacks, you can answer this also.
I am claiming gaps in Kush's reasoning from Damdred to DSMI. Counterclaim or help me fill in the gaps please.
Damdred, I've read part of your first case...also continuing...
I dont consider kush's voting damdred in reading him. Kush came back again and again to say we should vote DSMI, gave reasons on why it was a good idea, why lynching others was a bad idea. And I mean actually gave reasons instead of "lol u bad hes town".
Hopeless if you are scum trying to gain cred after the flip i will vig you in every game we play together
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Damdred, I have one more question regarding inconsistency. This is regarding the D1 argument.
- As I said in my explanation, Kush used the D1 argument to defend bats.
- Yet he concluded (read) DSMI's D1 nitpicking as scummy enough, or more scummy than you, as you have just stated.
- Then when he says he's going afk, he says D1 is enough to save him. As if we are sharp enough that we should deem him town from D1, which who knows.
How does this even make sense? You cannot have it both ways.
At the very least, are you beginning to see how I'm getting to a conclusion where I'm convinced Kush is scum?
You do not have to agree with everything I am saying, that is not what I am asking.
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On November 30 2014 06:45 Half the Sky wrote:
Damdred, I have one more question regarding inconsistency. This is regarding the D1 argument.
- As I said in my explanation, Kush used the D1 argument to defend bats.
- Yet he concluded (read) DSMI's D1 nitpicking as scummy enough, or more scummy than you, as you have just stated.
- Then when he says he's going afk, he says D1 is enough to save him. As if we are sharp enough that we should deem him town from D1, which who knows.
How does this even make sense? You cannot have it both ways.
At the very least, are you beginning to see how I'm getting to a conclusion where I'm convinced Kush is scum?
You do not have to agree with everything I am saying, that is not what I am asking.
I don't agree with the conclussion but I do understand what you are saying and in a vacuum and no prior experience with kush I would vote him with you.
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