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Hopeless1der
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On November 30 2014 03:47 Blazinghand wrote: Vote Count Kushm4sta (3): Breshke, meatpudding, Half the Sky Half the Sky (2): Oatsmaster, Damdred meatpudding (1): LightningStrike batsnacks (1): sicklucker Hopeless1der(1): batsnacks LightningStrike (1): rsoultin No Lynch (1): Hopeless1der Not Voting (1): kushm4sta Currently, kushm4sta is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00). Reminder to make sure to unvote before voting, if you have already voted someone. Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain. @hopeless | ||
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Damdred
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On November 30 2014 05:46 rsoultin wrote: You may be right bats. -shrugs- But as usual you're not backing up your claims so, okay? @hopeless Breaking the timestamp code: Day 1 ends in [countdown]1400 PST, November 29, 2014[/countdown] at [time]1400 PST[/time]. Aside from saying "Day 1" the time should show up appropriately for your timezone. Whatever, illiteracy is not indicative in most cases. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On November 30 2014 05:50 Damdred wrote: We have an hour to go and everyone is AFK almost. Hopeless do you agree with what i said about rs? diving meat HTS and rsoul atm but in general yes. | ||
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Damdred
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On November 30 2014 05:20 Damdred wrote: Explain to me why? Let's talk criteria. Here we go. I want to make sure you understand where I'm coming from here. 1 Gaps in posting/support - First we have the vote on DSMI. When he first listed his reads, he was on his phone, so he was brief, fine. But I'm surprised to not see further extended support/followup for his reads. He called out the following - LS, Rasputin, Oats, and you. There was no followup for LS and Rasputin, and none regarding you, even though Oats, questioned it (see #2) - Because there was no followup, it appeared a massive gap between how we went from voting you to voting DSMI on what appeared to be weaker evidence from him - namely nitpicking. - If Kush used "nitpicking" to vote DSMI, why not vote Oats, who was also guilty of nitpicking? - His defence of Bats was that reads on d1 are poor (or fluid as he said), and that other people haven't been giving reads. Then he admits that "others have been worse" but somehow, before, he had a "stronger read" on you about your shit pushes. To me something doesn't add up. - Why did I buy into Kush's post? Because of 1) urgency on DSMI's part posting and 2) filtering DSMI's comments relative to others. I didn't take Kush at face value. I checked before I changed votes. - Kush pushed the vote before you did on DSMI. - To extend on the D1 argument, it also doesn't make sense to me that he would say D1 is fluid and then expect us to say that D1 proves him innocent. As in we are good enough to read him as town from D1 actions. If that was a troll comment, see #5. - Conclusion - There are enough gaps and contradictions here, and I revisited Kush's post because he sold me an argument that proved wrong. Urgency was wrong - he flipped town. So I looked closer at the other points I was sold. 2 Dodging questions - He dodged Oats asking him about the Damdred read. I think he might have dodged one more in there, but I stopped at page 27 when I was double checking that. 3 AFK issue - He admitted this. Bad as alakaslam, no but taking it at face value, it appeared a huge cop-out, particularly with the D1 argument. We're past Thanksgiving. 4 Forgettable - As I said before, I recall Bats' filter more than his, although Bats' filter was 2x as much, so there's that. 5 Spam/trolling - This is applicable more to Bats than Kush, although Kush had a few of these as well. But I find spam/trolling/etc a problem because it just makes it more difficult for the town. There's more to weed through. Scum would want to make it difficult for the town. I won't speak for others but it's not always easy to tell who is trolling/serious/not serious etc when I'm reading this stuff. - Again as I said before, meta holds nothing to me. If you think I'm taking someone too seriously, call me on it. I took Breskhe too seriously early on, and I stood corrected. Kush, if you want to answer these, I'm all ears. | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
- first post nothing but a vote on bats. but bats had policy voted him, so -shrugs- Not scummy. Voting someone who is trying to policy lynch you is a pretty reasonable response... you seem to think so too. - asks me why I said bats and oats were "scummiest", claiming I provided no reasoning when it was right in the post Asking a question isn't scummy. Neither is not reading the thread. Either alignment can ask questions, either alignment can miss something in the thread. - tells breshke sl is scummy for "omgus"ing breshke It was scummy. omgusing is usually scummy. - changes vote to damdred for tone and bad defense of "shit pushes", only giving reasoning 30 minutes later, after he's prompted Kush changing votes is not scummy, especially if he gives reasons when asked. Giving reasons when asked is actually townie. - gets into argument with oats in bat's defense for the HTS read (argument lasts 1 post) Arguing for who you think is town is not scummy. - jumps on dicksmash train led by damdred (what was that before about shit pushes?) presenting evidence of "nitpicking" and "white knighting", votes dicks Kush gave those reasons BEFORE damdred's train. - calls sl bad at the game for not providing reasons for his reads (nother pot calls kettle moment given his earlier vote on damdred) Not providing reasons for reads is bad. - says again in all caps that dicks should be lynched day 1, two separate times in all caps, followed by a list of scum 5 ppl long (including Damdred in 3 spot, so again, why jumping on that train?) and defends bats some more, also citing one of the reasons to push dicks is because of his scum read on bats So what? You're just paraphrasing what happened. This isn't a reason. - says lets lynch bats (sarcasm, maybe?) then turns right around and says he's not bussing, he's only defended bats after dicks flips town Kush voted me because I was policy voting him. I unvoted kush, which is why kush voted me. Therefore kush no longer has a reason to vote me. This is a perfectly logical procession of events. - repeated comments he won't be able to do anything today and so scum wins (with this much time left before EoD?) Yeah this is scummy. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25559 Posts
Kushm4sta (4): Breshke, meatpudding, Half the Sky, rsoultin Half the Sky (3): Oatsmaster, Damdred, Batsnacks meatpudding (1): LightningStrike batsnacks (1): sicklucker No Lynch (1): Hopeless1der Not Voting (1): kushm4sta Currently, kushm4sta is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00). Reminder to make sure to unvote before voting, if you have already voted someone. Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain. | ||
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rsoultin
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On November 30 2014 05:58 batsnacks wrote: It was scummy. omgusing is usually scummy. The bolded word means??? | ||
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Damdred
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Damdred
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/467155-devils-riddle-mafia Someone tell me, how the hell kush is town in these games? | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
On November 30 2014 06:02 rsoultin wrote: For clarification, bats, that actually wasn't a list of scummy behavior. That was me going back through his filter to find what little content was in it. My main issue with kush is that he has so little content, and he was claiming he wouldn't be playing for the rest of the day. bolded: bullshit If that wasn't a list of scummy behavior then you literally had no reason to vote kush before you did. Now you're voting him because he's lurking d2? What about meatpudding who lurked d1 AND d2? | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On November 30 2014 06:03 Damdred wrote: Oh my god You suck Got it, cheers. | ||
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Damdred
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
Even if that wasn't intended to be a list of scummy behavior. Paraphrasing large sections of the game for no reason is extremely scummy. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On November 30 2014 06:08 batsnacks wrote: ebwop @rsoultin Even if that wasn't intended to be a list of scummy behavior. Paraphrasing large sections of the game for no reason is extremely scummy. yeah....shennannies time guys? ##unvote ##Vote: rsoultin | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
I posted this: On November 30 2014 05:44 batsnacks wrote: Less than half of these are alignment indicative, and that's being generous. You responded with this: On November 30 2014 05:46 rsoultin wrote: You may be right bats. -shrugs- But as usual you're not backing up your claims so, okay? Then I destroyed your post: On November 30 2014 05:58 batsnacks wrote: Okay Not scummy. Voting someone who is trying to policy lynch you is a pretty reasonable response... you seem to think so too. Asking a question isn't scummy. Neither is not reading the thread. Either alignment can ask questions, either alignment can miss something in the thread. It was scummy. omgusing is usually scummy. Kush changing votes is not scummy, especially if he gives reasons when asked. Giving reasons when asked is actually townie. Arguing for who you think is town is not scummy. Kush gave those reasons BEFORE damdred's train. Not providing reasons for reads is bad. So what? You're just paraphrasing what happened. This isn't a reason. Kush voted me because I was policy voting him. I unvoted kush, which is why kush voted me. Therefore kush no longer has a reason to vote me. This is a perfectly logical procession of events. Yeah this is scummy. Then you changed your mind: On November 30 2014 06:02 rsoultin wrote: For clarification, bats, that actually wasn't a list of scummy behavior. That was me going back through his filter to find what little content was in it. My main issue with kush is that he has so little content, and he was claiming he wouldn't be playing for the rest of the day. You ABSOLUTELY intended for that to be a list of scummy behavior. | ||
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Damdred
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