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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
October 10 2014 20:32 GMT
#1941
fwiw literally 95%+ of what HF has said today is scummy since he's trying to shut down all kinds of reasonable discourse or alternative wagons by calling people scum for not voting along with him, rather than writing a real case or exploring reads.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 10 2014 20:32 GMT
#1942
Battery dying
Zerg for Life
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
October 10 2014 20:32 GMT
#1943
oh get a charger nub they're like a dollar
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 10 2014 20:33 GMT
#1944
On October 10 2014 00:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 23:52 StorrZerg wrote:
On October 09 2014 23:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 23:31 StorrZerg wrote:
On October 09 2014 23:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 23:22 StorrZerg wrote:
what do you guys think of liancourt's reaction when dealing with HF, claiming vig/cop.



Unimportant.


fantastic coming from the person who got bored and wanted to talk about something yesterday.

If you want to change the subject thats fine

[] talk about liancourt
[] talk about hopeless
[] other [insert topic]


I'm pretty focused on this hopeless lynch.

And I don't think I'm going to change my mind.


then lets talk about hopeless..... i mean your around, your responding, help drive the conversation.

liancourt, avoided talking about hopeless day 1.
hopeless thought on Iian day 1, "Would #lynchwithfire"

yet dives on

On October 08 2014 01:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 08 2014 01:35 Blazinghand wrote:
I'd like everyone to bear in mind that I've presented a reason to lynch OO that is imo valid entirely independent of the fact that I RNGed him. Yes, I did RNG him so I was going to write a case on him anyways, but bear in mind that that doesn't change the facts, and the facts are: OO isn't playing this game.

yeah i'll probably end up here anyways

##Vote: ObviousOne


at this point OO was an afk person that sure was "scummy" yet afk.

i'd also say hopeless doesn't really add anything to the case on Iian, more so just agrees with my reasoning and "bad list post" yet has far more posts directed to Iian, questioning him, and calling him scum yet we come to this.


On October 09 2014 11:11 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 09 2014 11:09 Grackaroni wrote:
Hope why did you end up voting OO? You originally liked his tone and you were complaining about it being a policy lynch for a while.

because RNGesus told me to. No wait that was Blazinghand. same difference.

In all seriousness, it seemed inevitable and I wasnt interested in pushing damdred or lian over OO, especially since OO came in long enough to give us something and never return. I was willing to switch around up until I asked where the hell did he go?


Says he "wasn't interested" I think this is a contradiction to his actions, he was very interested in pushing liam, and his reason to vote OO was just "ill end up here"



Alternatively we can lynch him for playing like mafia.

As in the majority of his filter is filler and he's basically avoided giving his opinion on almost anything at all, IE he's avoiding stepping on any toes.

I get that you're trying to analyze his actions, but if he doesn't take any actions at all there's not going to be a whole lot to analyze.


On October 10 2014 01:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 00:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
that's not contradictory thats called being lazy. Would you have felt better if I afk'd my vote on Lian?

right now yes, still reading lian scum. haven't reread anything yet, at work. I'll try to give updated thoughts this evening.

My never-lynch list is HF BH grack palmar bats. aside from that I dont have much right now.


Cool, a bunch of unexplained obvious townreads and a scumread that he never bothered to follow up on or pressure at any point.


Theres so much more than this too. If you said my reasons are good then by extension obi's are too. I don't thiiink I'd even written anything about hopeless at that point either.

You're scum reading obi further for not explaining his town read on me when he did and it actually makes sense (town reading him when he was under pressure etc) instead of jumping further on me whereas when hopeless exhibits all of these traits with far scummier motives you ignore him because of obi who IS actually explaining
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 10 2014 20:34 GMT
#1945
On October 11 2014 05:32 Blazinghand wrote:
fwiw literally 95%+ of what HF has said today is scummy since he's trying to shut down all kinds of reasonable discourse or alternative wagons by calling people scum for not voting along with him, rather than writing a real case or exploring reads.


Fuck off have i not written a case. I literally just copied everything to condense it too
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 10 2014 20:37 GMT
#1946
Half of your case is "redcheck" nonsense, can you blame BH for being semi-illiterate?
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
October 10 2014 20:37 GMT
#1947
On October 11 2014 05:34 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2014 05:32 Blazinghand wrote:
fwiw literally 95%+ of what HF has said today is scummy since he's trying to shut down all kinds of reasonable discourse or alternative wagons by calling people scum for not voting along with him, rather than writing a real case or exploring reads.


Fuck off have i not written a case. I literally just copied everything to condense it too


Yeah, there's the 5%. You can't deny that you have mostly spent today threatening people instead of being good and useful. When I lead town, I question people and help them develop reads (if they're town) or reveal their false mindsets (if they're scum). What the dicks do you think you're doing, telling people they're scum (even jokingly) to bully them onto the wagon, instead of fostering an environment that generates evidence?
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 10 2014 20:38 GMT
#1948
On October 11 2014 05:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
Half of your "case" is redcheck nonsense, can you blame BH for being semi-illiterate?

I like this emphasis better.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 10 2014 20:38 GMT
#1949
No i don't think it makes sense at all. He hasn't given an example of you going from top mafia to town.

unless obi literally thinks he called me scum so he is scum. Oh edit he called me town so now he is town
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 10 2014 20:40 GMT
#1950
Obi copied those reasons off other People if you read the thread.

he asked people "thought on hopeless" then attacked him after votes
if he has sucha. Great read why not go at him.straight away
Zerg for Life
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
October 10 2014 20:41 GMT
#1951
On October 11 2014 05:14 KelsierSC wrote:
Sorry I'm posting from a phone

This isn't that hard...

I post images from my phone
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 10 2014 20:41 GMT
#1952
Look kelsier and bh and whoever the fuck wants to lynch not hopeless today without even discussing him one iota at all. I literally don't care. Hopeless is 100% dying today no matter what you say about anyone else, I've talked about him all day, I've raised points none of you have even talked about in favour of your own shitty wagons and i will not budge from this one at all. No matter what.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 10 2014 20:42 GMT
#1953
On October 11 2014 05:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
Half of your case is "redcheck" nonsense, can you blame BH for being semi-illiterate?


Absolutely 0 of my case is this red check nonsense. Please show where i said that.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 10 2014 20:44 GMT
#1954
On October 11 2014 05:42 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2014 05:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
Half of your case is "redcheck" nonsense, can you blame BH for being semi-illiterate?


Absolutely 0 of my case is this red check nonsense. Please show where i said that.

wat
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 10 2014 20:44 GMT
#1955
If anyone wants to lynch not hopeless you have to absolutely prove to me why he is not mafia. I don't want to hear something like "because of obi".
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 10 2014 20:47 GMT
#1956
On October 11 2014 05:30 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2014 02:21 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 07 2014 09:18 Damdred wrote:
We have past games on BH stored in the database though you can go look at them. We are just telling you that THIS is not an alignment thing that BH does. Its pretty obvious that BH seems interested in D1 so far and is contributing so i'm giving him a big town slap on the back right now.

Hell even in his big RNG post he said hewas willing to go over to a better case...though BH does get kind of tunneled sometimes. But why wouldn't OO fight with everything he had not to be the lynch? He just went and voted himself instead, thats the disturbing part of it all.

Semi-brushing aside the RNG to "actually" look at OO. At the time that he self-voted I wouldn't have called it "disturbing". How the hell are you supposed to defend against RNG? You're not, you're supposed to go and scumhunt. This is a load of bullshit, but damdred still twists it into an early suspicion.


These are normal observations. Of course self-voting is weird. There's nothing wrong with looking at OO for non RNG stuff. And given that OO actually flipped town, I don't see how Damdred being all suspicious of the guy who flipped scum is an issue. The issue is that he took so long to vote OO, not that he was suspiciopus of OO. get your shit together H1



Show nested quote +
On October 11 2014 02:21 Hopeless1der wrote:
Obiwan correctly points out that OO's reaction is worthless (open spoiler if you are so inclined):
On October 07 2014 12:43 Damdred wrote:
On October 07 2014 12:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 07 2014 12:35 Damdred wrote:
On October 07 2014 11:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 07 2014 10:46 Damdred wrote:
On October 07 2014 10:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 07 2014 10:35 Damdred wrote:
On October 07 2014 09:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
[quote]

What conclusion are you drawing from his self vote/actions leading up to it?

You say it's disturbing but you haven't followed it up with anything.


Of course its disturbing in that he did not fight at all really acted excited about it. I guess a trolling town could act like that and its not alignment showing at all in that regard. But no fight whatsoever was drawn out of OO just an acceptance which is scummy.


I don't really see how it matters either way when nobody is actually going to lynch him like this.


Right now he is scheduled to be lynched but i agree that he probably won't be lynched. However looking at reactions from votes is important to though.


So what's so important about his reaction?

You've basically just admitted that his reaction doesn't matter since he won't be lynched, but you're saying his reaction is important.


That is incorrect obi, you put words in my mouth. I didn't say that because he won't be lynched probably his reaction does not matter. Reactions matter all the time how you handle pressure etc.


That's not the point I'm making. Saying that someone's reaction matters because they're getting lynched, and then admitting that they're not getting lynched = their reaction doesn't matter because they know they're not getting lynched.

You can't use a reaction test accurately if the guy being tested knows it's a test; hence, the test is a wash and you've gained nothing.


Well it is mostly my opinion that an rng lynch won't hold up today. It could be very well that BH gets it done if that's what he pushes.



OWS is literally wrong here. OO _did_ get lynched. PEople could say "OO wasn't gonna get lynched or whatever" but basically it came down to this: OO got voted, and then he reacted with stuff. Hell, even if you agree with OWS (who, by the way, is scum) then you STILL have to show that damdred agrees with OWS, or that disagreeing is so unreasonable you must be scum. The fact that you personally believe that OO's reaction is null (and it obviously wasn't null, OO was scum and got caught, and part of why he got caught was his scummy reaction) doesn't matter.

Self voting because RNG landed on you isnt a weird response. Attempting to call you (BH) scum because the RNG landed on OO would be a weird response. Attempting to call you (BH) scum because you USED RNG is slightly better but not really.
In any case, the reasons for calling OO scum should have nothing to do with his response to being RNGed. Damdred pulls up super early to cast suspicion without committing to it for dubious reasoning. Being suspicious of anyone is fine if its for the right reasons. Damdred doesnt have the right reasons to call someone scum here.

OWS may have ultimately been wrong, but at the time that was a reasonable thought process because RNG is not sufficient to lynch someone. OO was scummy outside of the RNG, his reaction to the RNG is in fact null.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 10 2014 20:52 GMT
#1957
Damdred, I responded to your defense. Where you at?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
October 10 2014 20:52 GMT
#1958
Ok Hopeless I read your case and there are some points that I agree with.

I don't like that Damdred never made an effort to try to get Lian lynched today. When I write out a case on somebody I'm doing it because I want to try to convince people to lynch him today rather than just to show that I am suspicious of somebody. It's not like HF wrote out an amazing case and the lynch was decided for the day. I could see Damdred as scum choose to not push Lian today because he doesn't want to get on HF's bad side.

The points I dislike:
The bussing posts. It's mostly just speculation. I could reasonably see a townie being suspicious of somebody for voting themselves after being RNGed and for his reaction. (I wasn't suspicious of OO for those posts but I could see someone else suspecting him)

the post where he tries to get OO to contribute doesn't have to be made in thread; He could just tell him to do something in the scum QT if he is mafia. There's no real reason why Damdred's vote on OO is him bussing OO compared to anyone else's vote on OO. In fact your vote is the one i think is most likely to be a bus vote because you actually liked OO's tone at the start of the game and you were fighting policy lynches earlier in the day.

The BH points are quite bad in my opinion. it's pretty clear Damdred wasn't trying to make a suspicion of BH in that post and I don't mind the insufferable post either.

Overall I'm not convinced that Damdred is a better lynch than you. I think a better case could be made for you being scum.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
October 10 2014 20:53 GMT
#1959
On October 11 2014 05:44 Holyflare wrote:
If anyone wants to lynch not hopeless you have to absolutely prove to me why he is not mafia. I don't want to hear something like "because of obi".


what about
"because of liam"
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 10 2014 20:54 GMT
#1960
On October 11 2014 05:53 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2014 05:44 Holyflare wrote:
If anyone wants to lynch not hopeless you have to absolutely prove to me why he is not mafia. I don't want to hear something like "because of obi".


what about
"because of liam"


Potentially feasible but I'd rather you did something else
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