• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 15:30
CET 21:30
KST 05:30
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview5RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win0BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion6Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets4$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)16Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns7
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win When will we find out if there are more tournament I am looking for StarCraft 2 Beta Patch files Stellar Fest "01" Jersey Charity Auction SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview
Tourneys
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SC2 AI Tournament 2026 $21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7) OSC Season 13 World Championship
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 509 Doomsday Report Mutation # 508 Violent Night Mutation # 507 Well Trained Mutation # 506 Warp Zone
Brood War
General
Gypsy to Korea [ASL21] Potential Map Candidates Video Footage from 2005: The Birth of G2 in Spain BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10 Small VOD Thread 2.0 Azhi's Colosseum - Season 2
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Awesome Games Done Quick 2026! Mechabellum
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread NASA and the Private Sector Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Navigating the Risks and Rew…
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2363 users

Fantasy Football (FFL) Mini - Page 100

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 98 99 100 101 102 188 Next
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
October 10 2014 21:25 GMT
#1981
On October 11 2014 06:23 Grackaroni wrote:
Which all kind of ties back to Slam's post about how we really don't know how to scum hunt and we just attack people for "not being useful", which he's probably right about.


I'd actually be okay with policy lynching the least contributive person a lot of the time. I feel like it would... feel good? even if it didn't make us win. but this is a discussion for post game. today I think OWS is where it's at.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
October 10 2014 21:27 GMT
#1982
On October 11 2014 05:42 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2014 05:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
Half of your case is "redcheck" nonsense, can you blame BH for being semi-illiterate?


Absolutely 0 of my case is this red check nonsense. Please show where i said that.



Como?


On October 11 2014 02:53 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2014 02:52 Alakaslam wrote:
On October 11 2014 02:47 Holyflare wrote:
Still lynching hopeless btw

[image loading]

You do that


Are you disagreeing with my

[image loading]?


U kno u been pooshin dis
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9855 Posts
October 10 2014 21:28 GMT
#1983
Speaking of slam… at the start of the game he makes reasonable posts and looks like he's trying to solve the game so everybody town reads him. Later he does nothing but post gifs and starts telling people to call him scummy? Then he makes a bunch of posts about how he's flying under the radar? After that he tells everybody that we don't know how to scum hunt?

Perhaps he may be trying to tell us something...
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
October 10 2014 21:29 GMT
#1984
I actually have no ability to read slam, and so I don't bother
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 10 2014 21:30 GMT
#1985
On October 11 2014 06:28 Grackaroni wrote:
Speaking of slam… at the start of the game he makes reasonable posts and looks like he's trying to solve the game so everybody town reads him. Later he does nothing but post gifs and starts telling people to call him scummy? Then he makes a bunch of posts about how he's flying under the radar? After that he tells everybody that we don't know how to scum hunt?

Perhaps he may be trying to tell us something...

He's trying to Chupazi rule you. But you Hijoled him so he can't Kussplain himself sson.

or sometihng like that..
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9855 Posts
October 10 2014 21:30 GMT
#1986
I have absolutely no idea how to read him either but it actually looks like he may be mafia and wants us to catch him or something.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
October 10 2014 21:32 GMT
#1987
On October 11 2014 06:30 Grackaroni wrote:
I have absolutely no idea how to read him either but it actually looks like he may be mafia and wants us to catch him or something.


I could see that, I guess, but I won't pretend to understand his motivations. I'm sure you have plans for your bullet tonight, but how would you feel about shooting Slam? I feel like inevitably we'll have to lynch him anyways.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 10 2014 21:33 GMT
#1988
On October 11 2014 06:21 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2014 05:33 Holyflare wrote:
On October 10 2014 00:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 23:52 StorrZerg wrote:
On October 09 2014 23:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 23:31 StorrZerg wrote:
On October 09 2014 23:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 23:22 StorrZerg wrote:
what do you guys think of liancourt's reaction when dealing with HF, claiming vig/cop.



Unimportant.


fantastic coming from the person who got bored and wanted to talk about something yesterday.

If you want to change the subject thats fine

[] talk about liancourt
[] talk about hopeless
[] other [insert topic]


I'm pretty focused on this hopeless lynch.

And I don't think I'm going to change my mind.


then lets talk about hopeless..... i mean your around, your responding, help drive the conversation.

liancourt, avoided talking about hopeless day 1.
hopeless thought on Iian day 1, "Would #lynchwithfire"

yet dives on

On October 08 2014 01:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 08 2014 01:35 Blazinghand wrote:
I'd like everyone to bear in mind that I've presented a reason to lynch OO that is imo valid entirely independent of the fact that I RNGed him. Yes, I did RNG him so I was going to write a case on him anyways, but bear in mind that that doesn't change the facts, and the facts are: OO isn't playing this game.

yeah i'll probably end up here anyways

##Vote: ObviousOne


at this point OO was an afk person that sure was "scummy" yet afk.

i'd also say hopeless doesn't really add anything to the case on Iian, more so just agrees with my reasoning and "bad list post" yet has far more posts directed to Iian, questioning him, and calling him scum yet we come to this.


On October 09 2014 11:11 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 09 2014 11:09 Grackaroni wrote:
Hope why did you end up voting OO? You originally liked his tone and you were complaining about it being a policy lynch for a while.

because RNGesus told me to. No wait that was Blazinghand. same difference.

In all seriousness, it seemed inevitable and I wasnt interested in pushing damdred or lian over OO, especially since OO came in long enough to give us something and never return. I was willing to switch around up until I asked where the hell did he go?


Says he "wasn't interested" I think this is a contradiction to his actions, he was very interested in pushing liam, and his reason to vote OO was just "ill end up here"



Alternatively we can lynch him for playing like mafia.

As in the majority of his filter is filler and he's basically avoided giving his opinion on almost anything at all, IE he's avoiding stepping on any toes.

I get that you're trying to analyze his actions, but if he doesn't take any actions at all there's not going to be a whole lot to analyze.


On October 10 2014 01:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 10 2014 00:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
that's not contradictory thats called being lazy. Would you have felt better if I afk'd my vote on Lian?

right now yes, still reading lian scum. haven't reread anything yet, at work. I'll try to give updated thoughts this evening.

My never-lynch list is HF BH grack palmar bats. aside from that I dont have much right now.


Cool, a bunch of unexplained obvious townreads and a scumread that he never bothered to follow up on or pressure at any point.


Theres so much more than this too. If you said my reasons are good then by extension obi's are too. I don't thiiink I'd even written anything about hopeless at that point either.

You're scum reading obi further for not explaining his town read on me when he did and it actually makes sense (town reading him when he was under pressure etc) instead of jumping further on me whereas when hopeless exhibits all of these traits with far scummier motives you ignore him because of obi who IS actually explaining

I don't think these are very good reasons for scum reading Hopeless. These posts are a much more apt description of Palmar's play really.


This isn't the reasons I'm giving for hopeless this is that obi did give reasons but kelsier is saying he isn't.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 10 2014 21:33 GMT
#1989
On October 11 2014 06:32 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2014 06:30 Grackaroni wrote:
I have absolutely no idea how to read him either but it actually looks like he may be mafia and wants us to catch him or something.


I could see that, I guess, but I won't pretend to understand his motivations. I'm sure you have plans for your bullet tonight, but how would you feel about shooting Slam? I feel like inevitably we'll have to lynch him anyways.

tbh I'm hoping hes a poisoner target, assuming there is one.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 10 2014 21:34 GMT
#1990
yes, but why batsnacks?
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
October 10 2014 21:35 GMT
#1991
HF do you feel like BH has tried to discredit you recently?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 10 2014 21:36 GMT
#1992
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
October 10 2014 21:36 GMT
#1993
On October 11 2014 06:34 Hopeless1der wrote:
yes, but why batsnacks?


wait why what?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9855 Posts
October 10 2014 21:37 GMT
#1994
On October 11 2014 06:33 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2014 06:21 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 11 2014 05:33 Holyflare wrote:
On October 10 2014 00:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 23:52 StorrZerg wrote:
On October 09 2014 23:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 23:31 StorrZerg wrote:
On October 09 2014 23:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 23:22 StorrZerg wrote:
what do you guys think of liancourt's reaction when dealing with HF, claiming vig/cop.



Unimportant.


fantastic coming from the person who got bored and wanted to talk about something yesterday.

If you want to change the subject thats fine

[] talk about liancourt
[] talk about hopeless
[] other [insert topic]


I'm pretty focused on this hopeless lynch.

And I don't think I'm going to change my mind.


then lets talk about hopeless..... i mean your around, your responding, help drive the conversation.

liancourt, avoided talking about hopeless day 1.
hopeless thought on Iian day 1, "Would #lynchwithfire"

yet dives on

On October 08 2014 01:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 08 2014 01:35 Blazinghand wrote:
I'd like everyone to bear in mind that I've presented a reason to lynch OO that is imo valid entirely independent of the fact that I RNGed him. Yes, I did RNG him so I was going to write a case on him anyways, but bear in mind that that doesn't change the facts, and the facts are: OO isn't playing this game.

yeah i'll probably end up here anyways

##Vote: ObviousOne


at this point OO was an afk person that sure was "scummy" yet afk.

i'd also say hopeless doesn't really add anything to the case on Iian, more so just agrees with my reasoning and "bad list post" yet has far more posts directed to Iian, questioning him, and calling him scum yet we come to this.


On October 09 2014 11:11 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 09 2014 11:09 Grackaroni wrote:
Hope why did you end up voting OO? You originally liked his tone and you were complaining about it being a policy lynch for a while.

because RNGesus told me to. No wait that was Blazinghand. same difference.

In all seriousness, it seemed inevitable and I wasnt interested in pushing damdred or lian over OO, especially since OO came in long enough to give us something and never return. I was willing to switch around up until I asked where the hell did he go?


Says he "wasn't interested" I think this is a contradiction to his actions, he was very interested in pushing liam, and his reason to vote OO was just "ill end up here"



Alternatively we can lynch him for playing like mafia.

As in the majority of his filter is filler and he's basically avoided giving his opinion on almost anything at all, IE he's avoiding stepping on any toes.

I get that you're trying to analyze his actions, but if he doesn't take any actions at all there's not going to be a whole lot to analyze.


On October 10 2014 01:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 10 2014 00:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
that's not contradictory thats called being lazy. Would you have felt better if I afk'd my vote on Lian?

right now yes, still reading lian scum. haven't reread anything yet, at work. I'll try to give updated thoughts this evening.

My never-lynch list is HF BH grack palmar bats. aside from that I dont have much right now.


Cool, a bunch of unexplained obvious townreads and a scumread that he never bothered to follow up on or pressure at any point.


Theres so much more than this too. If you said my reasons are good then by extension obi's are too. I don't thiiink I'd even written anything about hopeless at that point either.

You're scum reading obi further for not explaining his town read on me when he did and it actually makes sense (town reading him when he was under pressure etc) instead of jumping further on me whereas when hopeless exhibits all of these traits with far scummier motives you ignore him because of obi who IS actually explaining

I don't think these are very good reasons for scum reading Hopeless. These posts are a much more apt description of Palmar's play really.


This isn't the reasons I'm giving for hopeless this is that obi did give reasons but kelsier is saying he isn't.

Yeah I know. You said Obi gave good reasons. KSC said Obi didn't give good reasons. I'll have to side with KSC on this one.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
October 10 2014 21:37 GMT
#1995
On October 11 2014 06:35 batsnacks wrote:
HF do you feel like BH has tried to discredit you recently?


HE BETTER, BECAUSE I HAVE. HIS LEADERSHIP STYLE IS BAD AND HE SHOULD FEEL BAD.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
October 10 2014 21:38 GMT
#1996
damd could be a better lynch.
both my scum targets want him dead, if he flips town they both look worse. if he flips scum, then that means i probably am reading 2 townies wrong.


regarding hopeless, case woot nice job. this makes me consider damd as a possibility.
liam makes me not want to consider damd because his inability to make a case on damd. (his original insight struck a cord, and i wanted to know more, as well as see what he would do if he pressured damd more, instead i was meet with "why don't you make more reads storr" / "i can't read someone who is just scum reading me with no other reads" )

which also brings me to HF, and his badgering.
i don't like the phrasing "perfect defense". / yet i can agree that damd did well on his defense.

I still think the major point on obi back peddling and trying to force it off "oo" near the end isn't valid at all. That is surely at the point where "oo" is saying to his scum buddies sack me good long and hard. So i don't see it as a possibility for scum obi to make those remarks.

So this still brings me back to liam who i have been "tunneling" for a while now, and pushing him. With plenty of people saying "yes he scummy" yet unwilling to push him more. and hopeless, who i think is scum regarding his interactions with the "oo" lynch. I find his timing, far more indicative of scum behavior before "oo" has told his team he doesn't care and is giving up.
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
October 10 2014 21:38 GMT
#1997
On October 11 2014 06:37 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2014 06:35 batsnacks wrote:
HF do you feel like BH has tried to discredit you recently?


HE BETTER, BECAUSE I HAVE. HIS LEADERSHIP STYLE IS BAD AND HE SHOULD FEEL BAD.


Do you feel that your leadership style was better?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9855 Posts
October 10 2014 21:40 GMT
#1998
On October 11 2014 06:38 StorrZerg wrote:
damd could be a better lynch.
both my scum targets want him dead, if he flips town they both look worse. if he flips scum, then that means i probably am reading 2 townies wrong.


regarding hopeless, case woot nice job. this makes me consider damd as a possibility.
liam makes me not want to consider damd because his inability to make a case on damd. (his original insight struck a cord, and i wanted to know more, as well as see what he would do if he pressured damd more, instead i was meet with "why don't you make more reads storr" / "i can't read someone who is just scum reading me with no other reads" )

which also brings me to HF, and his badgering.
i don't like the phrasing "perfect defense". / yet i can agree that damd did well on his defense.

I still think the major point on obi back peddling and trying to force it off "oo" near the end isn't valid at all. That is surely at the point where "oo" is saying to his scum buddies sack me good long and hard. So i don't see it as a possibility for scum obi to make those remarks.

So this still brings me back to liam who i have been "tunneling" for a while now, and pushing him. With plenty of people saying "yes he scummy" yet unwilling to push him more. and hopeless, who i think is scum regarding his interactions with the "oo" lynch. I find his timing, far more indicative of scum behavior before "oo" has told his team he doesn't care and is giving up.

It's mostly just BH saying this and we're never going to convince him that backtrack wasn't scummy and he's town so there's not much that can be done about that.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 10 2014 21:40 GMT
#1999
On October 11 2014 06:36 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2014 06:34 Hopeless1der wrote:
yes, but why batsnacks?


wait why what?

You ninjavoted me more or less.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
October 10 2014 21:40 GMT
#2000
On October 11 2014 06:38 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2014 06:37 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 11 2014 06:35 batsnacks wrote:
HF do you feel like BH has tried to discredit you recently?


HE BETTER, BECAUSE I HAVE. HIS LEADERSHIP STYLE IS BAD AND HE SHOULD FEEL BAD.


Do you feel that your leadership style was better?


take a look at my filter batsnacks, and look at where I talk to people and get them to develop reads and give stance and all kinds of things like that today. contrast just yelling at people and saying they're scum if they don't vote with hf. do you even need to ask the question? I'm the hero this thread needs
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Prev 1 98 99 100 101 102 188 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Monday Night Weeklies
17:00
#37
RotterdaM664
TKL 351
IndyStarCraft 230
BRAT_OK 148
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 688
TKL 364
IndyStarCraft 251
MaxPax 175
ProTech166
BRAT_OK 144
UpATreeSC 129
JuggernautJason117
trigger 35
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 589
Shuttle 337
Dewaltoss 125
Dota 2
Gorgc5639
League of Legends
C9.Mang0149
Counter-Strike
fl0m1722
Fnx 1627
Coldzera 1540
Foxcn552
adren_tv111
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu561
Other Games
summit1g3450
Grubby2726
FrodaN1299
Beastyqt845
ToD339
allub285
Harstem222
Fuzer 187
ArmadaUGS162
Mew2King63
RushiSC61
PiLiPiLi10
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 21 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• kabyraGe 160
• Reevou 7
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• Laughngamez YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 36
• 80smullet 27
• FirePhoenix7
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3353
League of Legends
• Jankos3418
• TFBlade1199
Other Games
• imaqtpie1653
• Shiphtur170
Upcoming Events
OSC
14h 30m
Shameless vs MaNa
Nicoract vs Percival
Krystianer vs TBD
Cure vs SHIN
PiGosaur Monday
1d 4h
The PondCast
1d 13h
OSC
1d 14h
Big Brain Bouts
3 days
Serral vs TBD
BSL 21
4 days
BSL 21
5 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Monday Night Weeklies
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

IPSL Winter 2025-26
SC2 All-Star Inv. 2025
NA Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
OSC Championship Season 13
Underdog Cup #3
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W5
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Rongyi Cup S3
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.